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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-07-18

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04:40<scorpion2185[m]>petn-randall: why I can't?
04:40<scorpion2185[m]>and "if X is already running on this system, you won't be able to start it a second time"
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04:43<scorpion2185[m]>I tried to open another session on another tty but it fails. is this the way?
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05:02<echoSMILE>I don't have the package "iptables-persistent" how the rules are loaded at boot? By the way, "update-alternatives --list iptables" show two entries: /usr/sbin/iptables-legacy /usb/sbin/iptables-nft. Debian 10.10.
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07:10<donalhunt[m]>hello! Can someone direct me to a channel knowledgeable with lvfs / secure boot?
07:10<donalhunt[m]>I'm trying to solve this problem: https://github.com/fwupd/fwupd/issues/3509
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08:43<jhutchins>donalhunt[m]: You do understand that the only reason secure boot exists it to prevent you from installing linux.
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08:49<donalhunt[m]>🤣
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08:55<donalhunt[m]>anyway... I worked around the issue for now. =)
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09:00<wwilliam>How do i find these file with this strange name or ls -l it? ÿ¾Ñ þƒ.Ž
09:01<donalhunt[m]>quote it or escape the relevant characters?
09:01<wwilliam>Double quotes?
09:02<donalhunt[m]>single or double
09:04<wwilliam>ls -l "ÿ¾Ñ þƒ.Ž"
09:04<wwilliam>ls: cannot access ÿ¾Ñ þƒ.Ž: No such file or directory
09:06<vv221>For broken encodings like this, it might be easier to ls -l ./<tab>
09:06<vv221>auto-completion should work around tricky things like non-printable characters.
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09:11<manis>Hi. Is anybody running bullseye and successfully using 9p over virtio? It broke for me after the upgrade.
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09:18<wwilliam>vv221: Thank you testing.
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09:22<mipo>hello, I am trying to enable hardware video acceleration on debian 10.10, mostly vaapi with mpv and vlc as wiki said - still no success and errors - is it working or should I stay away from it?
09:24<mipo>[vaapi] libva: va_getDriverName() failed with unknown libva error,driver_name=(null)
09:25<jhutchins>mipo: It might be useful to post your lspci -nn | grep -i vga
09:25<jhutchins>mipo: Also, what desktop are you using?
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09:27<mipo>jhutchins: 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS880 [Radeon HD 4250]
09:28<mipo>jhutchins: AMD Athlon II X2 B26 as cpu
09:28<jhutchins>mipo: The reason I suggested -nn is because it provides the pciid.
09:29<mipo>Busted!
09:29<mipo>jhutchins: 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS880 [Radeon HD 4250] [1002:9715]
09:30<jhutchins>THere we go.
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09:30<jhutchins>Also, did you install a radeon driver?
09:31<jhutchins>,pciid 1002:9715
09:31<judd>[1002:9715] is 'RS880 [Radeon HD 4250]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9715 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx', 'snd-hda-intel' module.
09:31<dvs>???
09:32<mipo>jhutchins: i installed from iso image, then add firmware-amd-graphics, firmware-linux-nonfree, mesa-va-drivers
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09:34<mipo>do i need to manually install a radeon driver?
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09:37<dvs>mipo: the lowest chipset that the amd driver supports is the Radeon HD 7000 range.
09:37<amacater>!wwbr
09:37<dpkg>Now Debian "Bullseye" is the current testing branch as of 2019-07-06 and it will be released "when it's ready." Release day we're working to currently - as discussed in various mailing lists is July 31st 2021. There's a hard freeze from July 17th with only the most urgent security fixes after that date. Stuff may slip but July 31 is hoped for.
09:37<jhutchins>mipo: It's an option. You haven't really determined that it's what you need, but you could just randomly try it.
09:37<jhutchins>!radeon
09:37<dpkg>Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>, <radeon audio>. https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.oftc.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>.
09:38<mipo>dvs: so my card is too old
09:38<jhutchins>That ATI Howto might be useful
09:38<dvs>mipo: for the amd graphics firmware, yes
09:38<vv221>mipo, too old for the amdgpu driver, not for the radeon one ;)
09:39<amacater>Sadly - looks as if !wwbr needs an update: as discussed on debian-boot and debian-cd: the main CD builder died - all disks failed at once - so it looks as if we're putting this back to at least 14th August and possibly into September. Can anybody update it, please?
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09:40<mipo>dvs: that firmware was asked by the kernel thru an error message! So it can;t be!
09:40<mipo>dvs: i wasn't even able to start X without it, it is not included in stardard of firmware .iso
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09:41<amacater>for AMD firmware - you might need to add firmware-linux-misc? I can't remember
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09:42<amacater>firmware-misc-nonfree I meant
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09:42<jhutchins>Perhaps /msg dpkg radeon firmware
09:43<dvs>mipo: https://packages.debian.org/buster/firmware-amd-graphics has the list of supported chipsets
09:44<mipo>dvs: yes, this is closed matter. The vaapi is another thing i try right now
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09:50<mipo>folks, do you have vaapi enabled on your desktops, please? Is it autoamatic or do I need to do some manual enabling?
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09:51<mipo>I mean did you check if your player is using it, or it just doesn't matter these days?
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09:51<jhutchins>mipo: If it exists, and something wants to use it, it will.
09:51<romo>hey guys. I'm on a current Buster installation and my GnuPG doesn't seem to wanna fetch keys anymore. especially the error message "keyserver receive failed: No name" seems to be common now. Here's an example of me trying to get keys from Debian and MX Linux: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/fbabfb89
09:52<mipo>jhutchins: that is too damn vague
09:52<jhutchins>mipo: You don't turn it on any more than you turn on a hammer.
09:52<mipo>jhutchins: even more vague :)
09:52<vv221>mipo, do you have a command I could run on my desktop to check if vaapi is enabled/available?
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09:52<vv221>(I’m using a AMD GPU too)
09:52<mipo>jhutchins: i know i have a poor desktop, that is why i want to enable some muscles on it
09:54<mipo>vv221: no, all you can get is watching the logs of the players, like vlc and mpv, but even this way i am not very sure - vaapi is still some voodoo when it comes to articles on the web
09:54<manis>romo: The SKS keyserver network is falling apart :-( The only server I know of that is still online is pgp.mit.edu
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09:55<mipo>anayway, there is no blocking point with this, i reach 50 % with a player on every CPU core (total of 2) but I still have some room - so no need to stress you with this, thank you
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09:55<vv221>mipo, after a quick check, `vainfo` list a couple of things on my desktop, so I expect VA-API to be supported there.
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09:56<vv221>(command provided by the "vainfo" package)
09:56<mipo>vv221: it can be there, but one must be sure the player is using it :)
09:57<jhutchins>vaapi is not something users mess with. It's a tool available to developers. If your program uses it, it will call it's package as a dependency.
09:57<vv221>Well, I trust my media player maintainer to build it with the correct options ;P
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09:57<romo>manis: yeah I know that one. it likes to time out one me occasionally. did things migrate elsewhere?
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09:59<manis>romo: Actually I'm not really sure. Many people seem to hype keys.openpgp.org, but I'm not a big fan of it because it's not a proper keyserver. It has been designed for people to distribute PGP keys for their email. I don't know if it works at all for signing keys.
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09:59<manis>I believe the best alternative to SKS is currently downloading .asc files from the project's website.
10:00<manis>SKS hasn't been in the best shape for some time, but I've read recently that the network has been spammed with GDPR takedown requests recently which seemingly was the final nail in the coffin.
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10:05<romo>I see. I didn't realise keys to be evil. But now I know why things aren't working. However, is it possible to get the Debian signing key for release-.iso-files directly (as in https)?
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10:36<romo>Okay. If the keyservers don't work and I can't get an .asc of the pubkey directly from debian.org... I'm still trying to find it on https://debian.org/CD/verify https://keyring.debian.org and via https://db.debian.org but I don't see a direct download option there...
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10:37<scorpion2185[m]>can I use a multi-session with graphical login?
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11:05<amacater>romo: https://www.debian.org/CD/verify - does this help at all
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11:06<Sqrt{not}>amacater, wwbr is edited
11:07<amacater>Sqrt{not}: Thank you :)
11:08<amacater>romo: Also https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/248363/how-to-verify-debian-cds-with-gpg
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11:26<romo>amacater: thanks for the links. I'm still not getting it. all I'd need is the key. like manis suggested - a lot of project just host their .asc directly. I might just call it a day, which is a shame cause this should have been a very quick affair.
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11:42<manis>romo: Does this page maybe help you? https://keyring.debian.org
11:43<manis>I seems to work for the key that is used on that stackexchange page.
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11:45<manis>This Git repository also has a lot of keys https://salsa.debian.org/debian-keyring/keyring
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12:09<RichSPK>I wanted to try Linux gaming, so I thought I'd switch from nouveau to Nvidia-driver. Now X won't start. I suspect it's related to secure boot, but how should I start troubleshooting?
12:10<towo`>if you tnink, it's secure boot, why you don't deactivate it?
12:10<RichSPK>Will I have to reformat my drives to use them without secure boot?
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12:11<towo`>why you should?
12:11<RichSPK>I have no idea.
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12:11<towo`>afaik you should use a unsigned kernel then
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12:12<donalhunt[m]>No. Turning off secure boot won't require any re-formatting.
12:12<sney>RichSPK: secure boot is an optional feature of efi, disabling secure boot doesn't mean you can't keep using efi. you don't have to reformat your drives or change your bootloader.
12:13<RichSPK>thanks sney. I'll give that a try.
12:13<sney>the https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot page on the debian wiki has instructions for signing your nvidia-driver modules so they will be allowed by secure boot. but you should turn off SB first as a test, to make sure that's what the issue is.
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12:14<Catoptromancy>Im using a graphics program that requires a single mouse wheel tic, but my mouse always does two tics. I am using dwm. xfce4-mouse settings does not seem to function in dwm. Maybe some X related mouse control?
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12:23<cc>mouse button double-clicking or wheel double-scrolling can be caused by a faulty sensor or encoder
12:23<cc>might need cleaning
12:24<RichSPK>I went into my bios settings (this is an hp Z440) and disabled both legacy support and secure boot. X started right up after that. I'll look into signing the appropriate module and then enable secure boot, but everything's working again, for now. thanks!
12:24<Catoptromancy>sounds like a plan, ill try that next
12:24<cc>first step should be to look at what events the mouse is sending
12:25<cc>using `xev` or some such tool
12:25<Catoptromancy>did use xev, it definitely doubles
12:26<cc>yeah if one step of the wheel sends two events definitely try cleaning the encoder
12:26<Catoptromancy>theres apparently a way to reboot gaming mouse to, hold 3 buttons and unplug/replug
12:26<Catoptromancy>also graphics app say "did thing once" "did thing once" on a single scroll tic
12:27<Catoptromancy>it only doubles like 95% of the time too heh
12:27<Catoptromancy>so if I am matching things, one will be off by a unit
12:28<Catoptromancy>probably dirty if its not 100% consistent
12:30<RichSPK>could be a sticky microswitch under the mouse wheel, too. once you disassemble the mouse, you'll probably want tweezers, canned air, and contact cleaner.
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12:31<jhutchins> Have we considerd configuring acceleration in xorg.conf?
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12:33<romo>manis amacater: you're right. keyring.debian.org is working like a charm... just not with the key in the "guide". fingerprint matches (debian.org/CD/verify). thank you both very much. now we know of another keyserver that's in good health.
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12:57<demo>I D LIKE TO INSTEL DEBIAN ON EXTERNAL DRIVE ,,HOW??
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12:58<amacater>demo: the Caps Lock key also has another position ...
12:58<demo>ALLREADY INSTALED ON ANDROID BUT NOT ON WINDOWS
12:58<demo>where
12:59<amacater>demo - Plug in the external drive and install Debian on it - you may have to make sure that Grub is installed somewhere such that it will boot the external drive.
12:59<demo>how??
13:00<demo>i pluged in external drive--
13:00<Sqrt{not}>demo: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
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13:01<Sqrt{not}>demo, do you mean you want to dual boot with windows?
13:01<demo>yes
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13:02<Sqrt{not}>demo, that is possible, and the install manual talks about how to do it.
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13:02<demo>where can i find the instructions--
13:03<Sqrt{not}>demo, which windows version? and do you have "secure boot" enabled on this machine? what is the machine?
13:03<Sqrt{not}>demo: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
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13:03<demo>windows 10 acer swift
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13:04<Sqrt{not}>demo, check that install guide, in your choice of language. Ask here when any step is not clear. I'll be away, but many others can answer your questions.
13:05<demo>thanks
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13:08<amacater>romo: You may also need console-setup and console-data. apt-get install console-data seems to pull it in, then use dpkg-reconfigure console-data
13:09<amacater>Sorry: wrong instance of #debian - that's meant for libera.chat
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13:11<mrhtuowqh>Good Evening, I changed /etc/apt/sources.list from testing to sid, ran apt update, apt full-upgrade. It upgraded a couple packages and I rebooted for good measure, but lsb_release -a still says I'm on bullseye, gnome is the exact same version. What am I missing?
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13:12<sney>!slushy
13:12<dpkg>When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>.
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13:13<sney>mrhtuowqh: ^, at this point in the testing cycle, there is very little difference between testing and sid
13:13<mrhtuowqh>thing is, lsb_release doesn't point to sid, is this normal?
13:13<sney>yes, if your sources.list and 'apt policy' prefer sid, you're on sid
13:13<sney>lsb_release is partly deprecated on debian anyway
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13:16<mrhtuowqh>yes, apt policy only lists sid and sources.list has only one line anyway, which is deb http://deb.debian.org/debian sid main . I guess I'm already tracking sid then
13:16<sney>indeed you are
13:16<irreleph4nt>Hi. I am on a new AM4 B500M mainboard with a 2.5GbE NIC which requires a dkms driver to work on anything but SID / testing. How do I go about integrating a dkms driver into a standard Debian iso, say for Buster?
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13:19<sney>irreleph4nt: if testing supports your system, your best bet is to use testing, since it is going to be released as debian 11 very soon now (currently estimated for Aug 14)
13:20<irreleph4nt>oh, well that's convenient
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13:21<sney>otherwise, the least painful way to install a dkms driver on a new install is to install debian from cd1 so you have build-essential available offline, and put the dkms files on a thumbdrive
13:22<irreleph4nt>sney, noted. Thanks! :)
13:22<sney>np
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13:22<bentham>What is the right onion for deb.debian.org? I do not see it listed on onion.debian.org
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13:23<sney>finally, sid is not an acronym for still in development, so there is no need to engage your capslock ;)
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13:24<sney>bentham: probably the one for ftp.debian.org, they are aliases for each other
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13:25<sney>indeed, that's the example at the bottom of the page
13:25<bentham>sney: great. That is what I have been using.
13:26<bentham>sney: but, it was not obvious that I had guessed correctly ;)
13:27<sney>right, the maintainer of that page might want to add a note
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14:04<will0w>something's terribly wrong. I *can* *not* boot Linux. I run 'grub-install /dev/nvme0n1' from a live USB - multiple times -and still when i reboot it boots to Windows with no grub menu
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14:05<will0w>also from the rescue live USB I ran efibootmgr -b 0000 -A to disable the Windows boot manager. but it's like it is just ignored because Windows still boots. this is totally crazy
14:06<will0w>credit to Microsoft because it seems like now even the existence of their OS on a system with another OS completely prevents the other OS from booting
14:07<will0w>and even more credit because completely regardless of any boot configuration settings, they are all ignored and Windows just always boots
14:07<sney>your system efi may be caching something too, see if you can get into the menu and specifically tell it to boot the disk with debian on it
14:08<will0w>i do not understand how if the EFI firmware sets NVMe device in it's boot order, and you run 'grub-install /dev/nvme0n1' on it, that Windows still manages to boot
14:09<will0w>sney ok will try. be back later...
14:09<sney>also make sure that any windows fast boot features are disabled, as that can mess with things too
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14:09<grawity>don't confuse uefi fast boot with windows fast boot...
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14:10<grawity>also, grub-install in UEFI doesn't accept a device parameter, it expects a --boot-directory= filesystem path
14:10<will0w>when i rebooted last time instead of grub menu i saw a UEFI menu that only had one option for the NVMe drive. I selected that option and Windows booted
14:10<grawity>what system is this on? there *have been* some manufacturers which do this kind of stupid thing with hardcoding Windows boot paths
14:10<will0w>grawity: tjamls
14:10<will0w>thanks
14:11<will0w>Lenovo ThinkPad P72
14:11<grawity>does grub-install actually create an entry in `efibootmgr`?
14:11<will0w>grawity: yes there is a directory under EFI for grub and one for debian
14:11<grawity>good but that wasn't the question
14:12<will0w>unless those are leftover ones from before
14:12<will0w>next time i'm in the rescue live usb i will delete EFI/debian and EFI/grub and re-run grub-install with your options
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14:13<grawity>make sure the correct EFI partition is mounted, run grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --boot-directory=/wherever (it autodetects normally, but specify those explicitly just in case), and then immediately afterwards check `efibootmgr -v`
14:14<grawity>make sure the entry was added, make sure it's in BootOrder, make sure it's *first* in BootOrder
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14:15<will0w>so example boot directory would be /dev/nvme0n1p6 which is the Linux partition?
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14:15<grawity>no
14:15<grawity>a partition is not a directory!
14:15<grawity>in UEFI, grub-install doesn't write boot sectors, it copies files to a mounted filesystem
14:16<grawity>and, sorry, wrong option, the EFI system partition is --efi-directory=
14:16<will0w>ok, so something like /boot/efi/EFI/...
14:16<grawity>if the EFI partition is mounted at /boot/efi, then I think you need --efi-directory=/boot/efi as well
14:16<grawity>(i.e. the partition root, not the 'EFI' subdir)
14:16<will0w>and yes efibootmgr *did* show the grub entry which was 0001 as the first one!
14:17<grawity>this is something grub-install usually autodetects, but... just in case
14:17<grawity>are you using the same EFI partition as Windows does?
14:18<will0w>grawity: FYI in the past when i run 'grub-install /dev/nvme0n1' it does not give error and states that it was sucessfully installed. and i do know that if /boot/efi is not mounted griub-install will fail
14:19<grawity>yeah it might be either the annoying firmware, or something like Secure Boot enabled
14:19<will0w>in the past that command always worked, and nothing changed on the system except windoze update
14:19<will0w>secure boot is disabled. only uefi boot is enabled.
14:20<will0w>the only other option would be to use bcdedit in 'doze to create a linux entry, if all else fails
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14:21<will0w>if i can at least get grub to put an entry in EFI/Microsoft that would help as a backup
14:21<grawity>I don't think that works in UEFI (as in it's *technically* supposed to work, but Windows Boot Manager just explicitly refuses to load anything that isn't Windows)...
14:22<grawity>I know people do it successfully in BIOS mode, never seemed to have any luck in UEFI
14:23<grawity>tbh you might need to actually move the real Microsoft/Bootmgfw.efi aside, copy GRUB in its place, and add a GRUB menu entry for the moved-aside Windows' Bootmgfw
14:23<will0w>ok going into rescue USB now and will be back...
14:24<will0w>thank you very much
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14:51<will0w>FAIL
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14:52<will0w>after running grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/efi and checking efibootmgr -v i saw that it created 0001 grub entry.
14:53<will0w>0001 grub entry was listed as first in the boot order. 0000 windows boot mgr entry was unstarred (disabled)
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14:54<will0w>i also did "rm -rf EFI/debian" and "rm -rf EFI/grub" prior to running grub-install and confirmed that it recreated the EFI/grub dir
14:54<will0w>I also renamed EFI/Microsoft to EFI/mswin and then ran update-grub however it then failed to pick up the Windows entry, so I named it back to EFI/Microsoft
14:56<will0w>grawity: ^^
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15:03<will0w>https://www.imgpaste.net/image/KVtjc8
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15:08<will0w>sorry wrong chan
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15:28<Mawahib>hi
15:29<Mawahib>how can i play call of duty mobil on mx linux??
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15:30<Sqrt{not}>Mawahib, we don't know about mx here, they have a forum. see what the robot tells you next:
15:31<Sqrt{not}>!mxlinux
15:31<dpkg>MX Linux is a popular distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported in #debian. Support is available on their forum: https://forum.mxlinux.org/. It is related to <antix>. If you are new to linux, or want a distro with IRC support, try Debian instead: https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian
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15:57<user>hello guys
15:57-!-user is now known as Guest1302
15:57<Guest1302>i have a question
15:57<Guest1302>what linux phone you recomand to me ?
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16:00<maryjane_>one that runs a debian based system
16:00<maryjane_>mobian supports some different phones now
16:01<scorpion2185[m]>where can you the supported phones?
16:01<scorpion2185[m]>*can you see
16:01<maryjane_>https://wiki.mobian-project.org/doku.php?id=install
16:01<maryjane_>you can see the list of devices that mobian supports in the above link
16:02<maryjane_>!mint
16:02<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
16:02<maryjane_>!ubuntu
16:02<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on irc.libera.chat instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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16:06<scorpion2185[m]>Does buster version have this? https://launchpad.net/multi-seat-xephyr
16:13<vv221>Buster has xserver-xephyr, but I doubt this is really what you are looking for.
16:13<vv221>https://packages.debian.org/buster/xserver-xephyr
16:14<bentham>Hi all, why are there no -dbg versions of linux-image-*-sunxi64? Is there a technical reason, or a policy, or something else?
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17:14<Sqrt{not}>maryjane_, thanks, added you info to the factoid:
17:14<Sqrt{not}>!mobian
17:15<Sqrt{not}>hmmm
17:15<Sqrt{not}>dpkg, mobian
17:15<Sqrt{not}>dpkg, literal mobian
17:15<dpkg>"mobian" is "<reply> see https://wiki.mobian-project.org/doku.php?id=install and https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/PINE64/PinePhone"
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17:16<Sqrt{not}>dpkg mobian =~ s/see/visit/
17:16<dpkg>Sqrt{not}: OK
17:16<Sqrt{not}>!mobian
17:16<dpkg>visit https://wiki.mobian-project.org/doku.php?id=install and https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/PINE64/PinePhone
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17:21<alex11>i wonder why !mobian doesn't work but literal mobian does
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17:25<Sqrt{not}>alex11, it was the "see" verb in there, which actually means re-direct in dpkg speak
17:26<Sqrt{not}>(and it's fixed now)
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17:52<jhutchins>alex11: Dpkg can sometimes be funny about how it's called.
17:52<alex11>dpkg, bad bot
17:52<dpkg>:(
17:53<jhutchins>Hey, the whole reason we have dpkg is so we don't have to memorise all that crap. Imagine if it were up to YOU to give the answers.
17:57<sussudio>!botsnack
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18:04<jhutchins>!ping
18:04<dpkg>Yes, jhutchins, you are online.
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18:19<mason>!sns
18:19<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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18:19<mason>That's the most critical factoid.
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18:52<amacater>!ssb
18:52<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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19:03<alex11>super saiyan blue
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21:58<sarvad>Interesting..so I can't connect to irc if I am using VPN? I kept getting "Connection reset by peer". When I disconnected from VPN, I was able to connect to irc. So no way to connect to irc while using VPN?
22:00<raven523>some VPNs don't allow connecting to IRC
22:00<raven523>some IRC servers only accept VPN connections if you use SASL authentication
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22:04<jhutchins>Some IRC networks do not accept connections from some VPNs like TOR.
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22:05<jhutchins>Some people look at hiding your identity as a way to avoid responsibility for your actions.
22:06<jhutchins>alex11: cyan perhaps?
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22:08<sarvad>hmm..ok..it's a pain to disconnect from VPN everytime I want to connect to this irc server.
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22:08<sarvad>I have vpn set to autostart in debian.
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22:09<raven523>you could just change your routing tables to allow routing to that server via the LAN route
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22:11<sney>maybe it would allow your connection if you use certfp, as previously suggested https://www.oftc.net/NickServ/CertFP/
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22:14<sarvad>Thanks. All these options look complicated to me (not a networking guy). Will look into them later. Thanks again.
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