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---Logopened Tue Jul 20 00:00:18 2021
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00:47<sney>tizef: yes, wifi is the same as LAN
00:47<sney>basically, they can talk to each other locally without using internet data
00:47<sney>Local Area Network
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00:48<tizef>hey that's cool sney !
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01:03<tizef>i took note of all advices I got here, asap I try it and come back to say how
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01:21<lifesgood>hy, I need serious advice about what programming language invest time now. I am biased to python. what people think about?
01:22<sney>I agree, python
01:22<sney>unless there's something specific you want to do, that python is not adequate for
01:24<lifesgood>I need something with versatility, be web app, do OO project... I shoted python because I know it is of acestral use in linux
01:25<sney>versatility for web apps, OO projects, system scripts, gui applications, embedded stuff: python
01:25<lifesgood>recently the library tensor flow rised my attention
01:27<sney>there's specialized languages that are good at 1 thing, like PHP. and there's low-level languages that can do anything but can be complicated, like C or Rust.
01:27<sney>for general purpose without being a computer math wizard? python
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01:28<lifesgood>thank you sney, I will put my trust in this
01:29<sney>the only wacky thing about python is how they do packaging/distributions. but it's ok if you learn it from the beginning
01:30<lifesgood>sney you mentin pip?
01:30<sney>I avoid pip lol
01:30<lifesgood>hum
01:30<sney>but I'm a debian user, so I make debian packages for anything I need to distribute
01:30<sney>anything I'm doing is probably pip compatible, I just haven't checked
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01:31<lifesgood>I will cry some things here because I believe Im amog friends
01:33<sney>if you want feedback, it's better in #debian-offtopic
01:33<lifesgood>I worket to the core with delphi for 15years... the 'thing' started to be less and less used, now Im an expertr of a dinossaur
01:33<lifesgood>so now I want to invest serious time in something else
01:35<sney>it's not all wasted, you already know stuff like "what's a function" and "can I use a library to interface with a database", you just need to get up to date on syntax and specific stuff
01:35<lifesgood>yes
01:36<sney>I started learning python in high school, I'm 37, it's still popular. I think it's a solid bet.
01:36<lifesgood>good
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01:37<lifesgood>I feel python will always have a space in linux
01:37<sney>it's very likely.
01:40<lifesgood>i know php well, but it is all too web centric
01:42<lifesgood>javascript recently gave me a big surprise with code running in server and revamping all with nodejs
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01:52<lifesgood>the point I think is predict where to put your trust
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01:55<lifesgood>I repeat, the nodejs stuff was a big srprise to me.
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02:00<lifesgood>the market comes with something new almost every month. is stressing.
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02:22<Arvind>hey i'm new to mx linux
02:22<Arvind>what is the command to open wisher menu using start button
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02:23<Arvind>can i get all the windows shortcut like winkey + e for file explorer and etc
02:24<azeem>what do you mean with wisher menu?
02:24<azeem>and are you running Gnome?
02:25<Arvind>sorry its whisker menu
02:25<azeem>in Gnome, I think the winkey on its own switches to what you want
02:25<Arvind>no i'm using xfce
02:26<azeem>dunno then
02:26<Arvind>previous i was in linux mint thought to try out mx linux for a while
02:27<Arvind>couldnt figure out shortcuts
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03:04<mrwick>is it bad practice to have apt::default-release point to backports? if the package is not in backports will the stable package be installed?
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03:08<mrwick>on second thought, I prefer to do it consciously, and have the history available for potential issues
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03:34<guifipedro_>Hi, I think I read that debian patches program to avoid network access to thirdparties and spyware nature of some programs. I am looking to the sentence that says that (if is true). Because is a great value of debian ecosystem. But I am not finding it, so I am starting to doubt if it's there
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03:39<vv221>mrwick, it is bad practice to have apt::default-release point to backports ;)
03:40<vv221>At least, if you want to stay on a reliable Debian stable.
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03:49<mrwick>vv221: that is what I suspected. I left it pointing to stable, thanks
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04:11<vv221>mrwick, the main issue is that each backport will make your system a tiny bit less stable. So using only a couple has no adverse effect, but blindly following *all* of them might end up with something broken.
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04:12<vv221>If you want to follow all backports, you actually want to use testing. And if you use testing, you would be better using Sid ;)
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04:14<vv221>Now that I think of it, "full backports" sounds a bit like the new Ubuntu approach: stable apt-based system core + rolling snap-based end user software. But I have no experience with that.
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05:28<vv221>tyzef[m]bzh, about your issues with limited Internet access, I second apt-cacher-ng suggestion. I installed a new instance 1~2 days ago, so it’s still fresh in my mind if you’d like pointers.
05:29<vv221>It is used as an APT proxy, and provide a shared cache of downloaded packages between all systems using it as an APT proxy.
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05:30<vv221>I think I remember the Debian installer to prompt for such a proxy at some step, so it could be the best tool for what you are looking to do.
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05:48<tizef>okay vv221, noted, thank you so much !
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06:29<Lucky>helo
06:29<Lucky>hello
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06:31<Guest1495>what i heva to do
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06:40<Arvind>hey guys
06:40<Arvind>reverse scrolling isnot working any idea?
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07:08<asutosh5941>is anybody here??
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07:09<Mister00X>yes
07:09<asutosh5941>Can anybody fix my issue NO_PUBKEY sdrgr
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07:10<asutosh5941>Plz reply
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07:11<Mister00X>!smart questions
07:11<dpkg>Asking the right question can be hard, and effective communication is easier if you give us extra information. https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html has some suggestions. The key points are: tell us what you actually did and what you were trying to achieve, provide the full command and full output in a <pastebin>.
07:11<asutosh5941>Ok wait
07:12<asutosh5941>I ran apy-get update
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07:12<asutosh5941>The error is The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B78C97EF9B2235DD
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07:14<Mister00X>asutosh5941: I think it's best of you provide us with the entire output of that command in a pastebin e.g. https://paste.debian.net
07:14<asutosh5941>sudo apt-get update
07:14<asutosh5941>[sudo] password for asutosh5941:
07:14<asutosh5941>Hit:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates InRelease
07:14<asutosh5941>Hit:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster InRelease
07:14<asutosh5941>Hit:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-updates InRelease
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07:15<grove>That usually means that you made an error i adding a source, or that one of your sources have changed the pgp key they use, we at least know what source is affected
07:15<grove>Oh, he was kicked while I was typing
07:16<Mister00X>yes
07:16<grove>But you did say "in a pastebin"
07:16<Mister00X>yes I did
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07:17<Mister00X>welcome back
07:17<asutosh5941>Hello everyone
07:17<Mister00X>please use a pastebin next time
07:17<Mister00X>!paste
07:17<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>.
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07:17<asutosh5941>Plz solve my problem
07:17<grove>and now you know what happens if you don't
07:18<grove>Please provide the details we asked for *in a pastebin*
07:18<grove>!bat
07:18<dpkg>[Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
07:18<Cinaeth>!vnc
07:18<dpkg>Virtual Network Computing (VNC) is a platform-independent graphical desktop sharing system (i.e. provides GUI remote access). Server packages in Debian include <tightvncserver>, <vnc4server> and <x11vnc>; "apt-cache search vnc" will list other servers and clients. Ask me about <vnc setup>, see also <x-not-vnc> for an alternative. http://wiki.debian.org/VNCviewer
07:18<asutosh5941>file:///mnt/08A2068EA2068104/Untitled%20Document%201
07:19*Mister00X facepalms
07:19<grove>asutosh5941: That's a very local link, we can't read files on your filesystem
07:19<asutosh5941>sorry I am new to debian
07:19<asutosh5941>Can u guide me
07:19<asutosh5941>PLZ
07:20<asutosh5941>How can I send
07:20<grove>There was a guide in the what dpk (a bot) said about pasting
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07:21<grove>And while you were gone (because you screwed up and was kicked), I wrote:
07:21<grove>13:15 < grove> That usually means that you made an error i adding a source, or that one of your sources have changed the pgp key they use, we at least know what source is affected
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07:21<asutosh5941>I had not did anything
07:22<asutosh5941>I installed debian today
07:24<grove>I don't have that GPG key, so you must have some non-standard source
07:25<asutosh5941>Can invalid key cause any problem
07:25<grove>As a minimum it will prevent you from installing software from the source that uses that key
07:26<asutosh5941>Ok
07:26<asutosh5941>Can u solve a problem with steam
07:27<grove>I can't, but from time to time there are people here that knows about steam, so if you ask, you might get an answer
07:27<grove>!steam
07:27<dpkg>Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <non-free>; amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. Users of the proprietary nvidia driver will also need nvidia-driver-libs:i386. http://wiki.debian.org/Steam
07:28<grove>(that is pretty much what I know)
07:28<asutosh5941>is there any steam channel on hexchat
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07:29<grove>hexchat is an IRC client, not anything you can be on
07:29<grove>You're on IRC using hexchat
07:29<grove>!irc
07:29<dpkg>IRC is Internet Relay Chat, the means to provide #debian to its patrons. Debian IRC channels are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/IRC . Please read http://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc . Ask me about <irc tutorial> and <faq>. See also <debstats> and <irclog>.
07:29<asutosh5941>ok
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07:32<vv221>I can help people wanting to avoid Steam, but i’m not sure it’s what’s wanted here ;P
07:33<grove>He never got his missing gpg key problem solved
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07:39<Cinaeth>so I'm trying to figure out how to get a remote desktop view of my debian 10 install from windows - not jsut a seperate vncserver login session
07:39<Mister00X>Cinaeth: I think you want to have a look at xvnc
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07:40<Mister00X>errr no x11vnc
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07:43<locsmif>Hi all. What is the proper way to disable dynamic CPU frequency adjustment on a server?
07:44<BCMM>Cinaeth: x11vnc, IF you're on X11, of course
07:44<BCMM>(won't be able to capture wayland stuff)
07:44<Cinaeth>how od I know if I'm on x11? I jsut got debian 10 installed haha
07:45<grawity>gnome-shell in wayland has (or will have) its own embedded vnc&rdp server
07:45<grawity>somewhere, not sure where
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07:45<Mister00X>Cinaeth: echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
07:45<Mister00X>will tell you
07:46<Cinaeth>ok, sao that says x11
07:46<Mister00X>good then you are on x11
07:46<Mister00X>and x11vnc will work
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07:47<BCMM>Cinaeth: then you can use x11vnc (or your desktop environment's built-in VNC server, if it has one)
07:47<Cinaeth>ok, just following some google instructions to get that working...
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07:48<BCMM>locsmif: what CPU do you have? if you're using an Intel Sandy Ridge or later, things work a bit differently from the traditional frequency scaling model
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07:49<Cinaeth>BCMM: Mister00X - TY both so much, I got it working
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07:57<locsmif>BCMM: Intel Xeon E5-2680 v2
07:58<BCMM>locsmif: that's a sandy bridge ("ridge" was a typo), so frequency scaling is kind of weird and tied in to a bunch of other things, see https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.12/admin-guide/pm/intel_pstate.html
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07:59<BCMM>but i *think* you can still just do this to configure it: https://wiki.debian.org/CpuFrequencyScaling#Configuration
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08:11<locsmif>BCMM: interesting!
08:11<locsmif>BCMM: by why won't e.g. writing to /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq work? I see no evident change in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq afterward
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08:25<BCMM>locsmif: i'm not 100% sure but i think it's because frequency derives from intel pstates as opposed to being set directly
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08:35<jochum>Idk how
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08:57<Drew_Swissroll>Hello
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08:57<Drew_Swissroll>lol
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09:10<BCMM>Drew_Swissroll: hi
09:11<BCMM>(oh sorry, the person who said "hi" already left, and i now understand that i highlighted somebody who responded instead)
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09:13<Drew_Swissroll>hehe
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09:41<Drew_Swissroll>http://paste.debian.net/1205002/
09:41<Drew_Swissroll>ffmpeg problem. In dire need. Check pastebinit above. <3 Thank you my fellow people
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09:52<bremner>I'm not sure IRC really lends itself to long form questions, but best of luck (I only use OBS to record videos)
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09:53<Drew_Swissroll>I understand. I hope someone can help me
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10:02<petn-randall>Drew_Swissroll: You're creating videos and they "do not upload to youtube"? If so, care to be more specific what stops you from uploading it?
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10:06<Drew_Swissroll>Certainly it gives me the error: Processing abandoned
10:06<Drew_Swissroll>The video could not be processed
10:06<Drew_Swissroll>Which is not very specific lol
10:07<petn-randall>Drew_Swissroll: During *upload*? Or when exactly?
10:07<Drew_Swissroll>During the upload process. It looks like it's uploading and then BAM! Error
10:08<petn-randall>Drew_Swissroll: You might want to ask Youtube then why they're preventing you from doing so.
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10:08<petn-randall>Drew_Swissroll: My wild guess is that it might have copyrighted material or other content that triggers their fingerprinting database.
10:09<Drew_Swissroll>It allows the .mkv when it's just a recording though. I think it's something my video is lacking.
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10:19<donalhunt[m]>Is it missing copyrighted material that they can monetise?? 🤣
10:19<donalhunt[m]>(not that usually stops YouTube)
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10:21<Drew_Swissroll>lol there is no copyrighted material lol
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10:21<Guest1514>hiiii
10:21<Guest1514>is this like discord
10:22<Drew_Swissroll>it's literally me rambling then I throw in a .png as the video source with the .ogg to make a video. Yet the other video doesn't work. And hi guest 1514
10:22<Guest1514>:P
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10:44<jhutchins>Drew_Swissroll: Does the video play smoothly and normally? Are there -v options to get more detail on the error?
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10:45<bremner>oh, that's not true, I also use melt to make videos of from PDF's + audio
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11:10<mendelmunkis>can overheating cause an ethernet card to drop the connection?
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11:10<grawity>not sure but it wouldn't surprise me either
11:12<mendel_munkis>my ethernet card just acted like I unplugged and then replugged my cord 5 times in the last ten minutes the last 4 times I made sure nothing was touching the cord.
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11:13<jhutchins>mendel_munkis: Desktop or laptop?
11:13<mendel_munkis>laptop.
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12:20<jochum>sounds like a switch issue
12:21<jochum>Would disable Autonegoation
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12:25<hendursaga>It's been some time since I installed Debian... I installed it with FDE, but I'm not sure if swap is encrypted, come to think of it - how would I quickly check if it is?
12:25<hendursaga>And by encrypted, I mean something like, encrypted with a random key every boot or whatnot
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12:51<Gombye>hendursa1: I actually do not use Debian, but I checked on my system. If the only partitions you have are a /boot partition and an encrypted LVM partition, then the swap should be encrypted. You can see what is being used for the swap partition in /proc/swaps, it seems (for me, it is /dev/dm-1, which /dev/cryptvg/swap links to). If you have separate swap partition (you can check with 'fdisk -l' as root),
12:51<Gombye>then check /etc/crypttab. If that does not have a line like 'cryptswap /dev/sdx3 none swap', then the swap is not encrypted.
12:52<Gombye>(I am going away, so I will not be able to respond promptly if you reply.)
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12:59<petn-randall>hendursa1: If you have selected FDE in the Debian installer, also swap is encrypted. You can check by looking at the output of `fdisk -l` (the partition of your disks), `cryptsetup luksDump <device>` to check if it's LUKS encrypted, and `pvs`, `vgs` and `lvs` to check that the logical volumes are on the encrypted partition.
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13:00<petn-randall>hendursa1: A new random key on every reboot is unnecessary, and would prevent hibernation from working.
13:00<hendursa1>petn-randall: I never hibernate
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13:01<petn-randall>It rekeying your swap doesn't help with anything, either.
13:01<hendursa1>And.. it appears it's not encrypted :/
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13:01<petn-randall>!paste
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13:02<petn-randall>hendursa1: You can share the output with us ^^^. Assuming you want us to double-check if you're sure you picked FDE during installation.
13:02<hendursa1>petn-randall: it appears I don't even have swap...
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13:03<hendursa1>Just an unused swap partition
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13:06<hendursa1>Although my RAM-intensive task just completed without error, that's good
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13:11<jochum>hendursa1: "free -m"
13:12<jochum>gives no swap?
13:12<hendursa1>jochum: yes, it shows 0
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13:25<netcrash>Hello, When I go to the office I get a monitor with lower resolution than at home. I change the resolution , but the windows keep their bigger size. Anyway to change this automatically? I'm using openbox
13:25<jochum>anyone can recommend me a chat where people know details about current x86_64 cpus?
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13:26<free2>You want to have a different resolution on X start?
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13:37<sarnold>jochum: #kernelnewbies maybe, check out https://www.agner.org/optimize/ there's loads of great stuff on his website
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13:37<jochum>sarnold: i asked wrong, i need to compare different cpu's for my workload - on paper....
13:38<sarnold>ah :)
13:38<jochum>sarnold: I work for a hosting company
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13:39<jochum>What i realy don't understand is this https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/8690695 (Dual Epyc 75F3) vs. this https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/6969002 (Single EPYC 75F3)
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13:41<jochum>in math the dual cpu epyc is only 1.28 times faster than the single one here
13:41<jochum>Yes I know, the machines are different maybe memory is usw.
13:41<jochum>But still
13:42<jochum>hendursa1: did you encrypt your swap now?
13:42<jochum>or wanna go without?
13:43<hendursa1>jochum: I'll go without for now
13:43<petn-randall>jochum: The score is an (arbitrary) number over all benchmarks they did. Some benchmarks are single-process, so the 2nd CPU will not contribute to a higher score.
13:43<jochum>petn-randall: thank you!
13:44<jochum>What do you think can 2 CPU's with VM hostings (Lets say LOTS of 4vCPU vm's) vs. a single one?
13:44<petn-randall>jochum: So if your workload is single-threaded (and single-process), I'd rather go with a higher clocked single CPU than with a lower-clocked multi-CPU system.
13:44<jochum>petn-randall: I'm comparing for a hosting company (my employer)
13:45<petn-randall>jochum: In general for VM hosting you want as many cores as you get.
13:45<petn-randall>*you can get
13:45<jochum>I see
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13:45<sarnold>jochum: another thing to note is the cache sizes appear different between the machines; the machine with more RAM actually has less L3 cache than the machine with less RAM. it's possible the additional cache is giving the smaller-memory machine an outsized boost
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13:46<jochum>sarnold: true
13:46<DarkGhost123>When Bullseye releases, will the Testing repo automatically get updated to Bookworm?
13:47<jochum>Bookworm? NICE :)
13:47<jochum>Do you think theres a way to calculate how much VM's you can get per CPU Type?
13:47<DarkGhost123>That's Debian 12's codename
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13:47<jochum>Yeah, i love it
13:47<petn-randall>DarkGhost123: At some point, yes. "testing" is just a symlink to the actual release names.
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13:48<sarnold>jochum: wow, crazy how much the difference is for the aes-xts test -- 16GB/s vs 48GB/s
13:48<petn-randall>jochum: Not really, as you haven't specified how large your VMs are.
13:48<petn-randall>jochum: Also, how much CPU power you're guaranteeing for each VM, and how much RAM.
13:48<jochum>petn-randall: lets say all have 4vCPU, most of the idle, when they eat cpu they like lots of em
13:49<jochum>petn-randall: RAM/NVMe is scalable
13:49<jochum>unlimited for our usecase
13:49<petn-randall>jochum: Then there are things like KSM that allow you to deduplicate memory pages, so you can overprovision your RAM.
13:49<petn-randall>jochum: What is running in the VMs? How much CPU power are you guaranteeing?
13:49<jochum>"when they eat cpu, they like high clock rates"
13:50<jochum>petn-randall: none
13:50<petn-randall>jochum: You can probably overprovision 20x if they're mostly idle.
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13:50<petn-randall>But you'd have to do some actual testing for that.
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13:52<jochum>petn-randall: I have machines with 120 "E5-2620 v4" Cores's together (these we gonna replace), they where idle or 30% load most of the time. You think an EPYC can do 20x per Core?
13:52<jochum>20x/2620 = how much more
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13:53<jochum>I know its hard to give good numbers without testing
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13:55<sarnold>jochum: I know patrick from servethehome was saying that some of these newer EPYCs can do something like 4:1 consolidation over intel chips of that rough vintage. I watched that video a few months ago, so perhaps my memory is off :) but it sounded like the newer EPYC stuff is a crazy improvement
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13:56<jochum>sarnold: that would mean for me i can easly go 12x (I'm on 3x now)
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13:58<jochum>Does someon know/have informations how EPYC's and XEON clock on 50% load for example?
13:59<jochum>Somewhere I have the information that EPYC's do 50% boost on 50% load.
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14:00<sarnold>jochum: not to mention the storage can be twice as fast.. I'm less sure about the memory speeds, but it probably also improved a lot
14:01<jochum>sarnold: yeah, 2133MHz vs. 3200MHz and NVMe CEPH @ 100G Network vs. Propretary Nutanix HDD with SSD Cache stuff.
14:02<sarnold>"nutanix" sounds like a breakfast cereal
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14:02<sarnold>one that costs too much and doesn't taste quite right
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14:03<jochum>As long its working its ok, not fast but working.
14:03<p1x3l>is there a special trick to get into #packaging?
14:03<jochum>If its not working its hard to fix if you have the free edition.
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14:03<jochum>All questions on the net end with "Please open a Ticket", no more informations.
14:04<petn-randall>p1x3l: As you've already been told in #debian-mentors, you likely need to register your IRC account.
14:04<petn-randall>p1x3l: But that depends on the error you get while joining.
14:04<p1x3l>sorry I didn't see that msg
14:04<p1x3l>I get none
14:05<p1x3l>no error
14:05<p1x3l>I may have registered this nick before
14:06<p1x3l>for get the password though
14:06<sarnold>"Nickname p1x3l is not registered."
14:06<jochum>p1x3l: /ns help
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14:07<petn-randall>p1x3l: /query Nickserv help
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14:07<p1x3l>thank you
14:07<petn-randall>jochum: That must be a shortcut that not all IRC clients have.
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14:07<jochum>:-)
14:07<jochum>My Quassel-Client does :)
14:10<p1x3l>I registered my nick and still can't join #packaging
14:10<jochum>p1x3l: then you need to confirm your email
14:10<jochum>p1x3l: and identify after
14:10<p1x3l>I did
14:10<petn-randall>p1x3l: Did you also identify with NickServ?
14:10<p1x3l>yes
14:10<petn-randall>p1x3l: Ok, what error do you get on your status tab?
14:11<p1x3l>none
14:11<p1x3l>wierd
14:11<p1x3l>im in irssi
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14:11<vv221>p1x3l, you did not verify your account.
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14:12<p1x3l>verify?
14:12<p1x3l>i registered and it said it was ready to use
14:12<vv221>This is something you need to do on https://services.oftc.net/
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14:12<vv221>What you are missing is a validation step, done on the website I linked.
14:12<p1x3l>okay
14:12<vv221>To prevent abuse using bots I would guess.
14:12<p1x3l>okay thanks again off to do that
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14:13<petn-randall>p1x3l: alt+1, then type "/join #packaging", you should see any error there.
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14:17<p1x3l>Thanks guys I am registered and verified now
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14:58<Sqrt{not}>p1x3l, Do you just want to make a backport for yourself to use, or are you trying to fix it for everybody?
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15:39<vv221>Sqrt{not}, the discussion went to #packaging ;)
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15:46<Sqrt{not}>vv221, Yeah, I saw; I'm not in that channel, but I thought the question should have been asked earlier. No big deal
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16:02<Blendie>https://ibb.co/R7pL6Bq
16:02<sney>Blendie: please don't link spam in support channels
16:03<Blendie>my mistake
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16:13<noarb>I'm trying to build gnupg from source to test a newer version, and I can't get scdaemon to work. I'm actually not sure if I built if or if I missed a flag or something. Is there a way to inspect the build scripts of the debian package to see if I missed a step? scdaemon comes from the same source https://packages.debian.org/source/jessie/gnupg2
16:14<sney>!debian/rules
16:14<dpkg>debian/rules is the makefile used when building a .deb from source, edit it to change compilation options. Some packages use sophisticated build systems that should be documented in debian/README.source. Also remember to make a new entry in debian/changelog with "~yourname" (for a backport) or "+yourname" (for a recompile) added to the version number. See also <makefile>, <hold>, <package recompile>, <source>, <unique package version>.
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16:22<jochum>petn-randall, sarnold: thats what i was looking for for days: https://hwp.media/articles/epyc_hosting_exploring_how_amd_is_changing_the_vds_hosting_market/
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16:29<Sqrt{not}>noarb, note that "jessie" is old-old-stable, soon to become old-old-old-stable. not exactly what I would call a "newer version" ?
16:30<lord_rob>hi
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17:21<codegeek>has the linux image for debian 10 been patched for CVE-2021-33909?
17:21<alex11>well, there was an update just today
17:21<alex11>lemme check my email
17:22<sney>https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2021-33909 yes
17:22<alex11>yeah
17:22<ronald>Hi, how difficult would it be to setup a Oracle database server in buster
17:22<codegeek>linux-image-4.19.0-17-amd64_4.19.194-3_amd64.deb ?
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17:23<sney>codegeek: correct.
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17:23<codegeek>sney, alex11: thank you
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17:26<sney>ronald: the oracle website doesn't seem to have debian packages, but they have a generic x86_64 zip download, it's probably not too difficult if you are familiar with oracle db
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17:32<ronald>sney: i'm not that familiar with oracle db, only mysql
17:33<ronald>in the quick check i gave to the installation guides i saw it involved creating groups and users
17:34<ronald>i'm not familiar with user management in debian too so, i'm a bit nervous about it
17:36<sney>might be pretty challenging in that case, if your goal is to get the server running soon then you might want to use an rpm based distro instead.
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17:38<sarnold>jochum: "AMD EPYC 7742. You give 1000 virtual machines on 1 server" *holy cow*
17:39<ronald>sney: thanks for the advice
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17:39<free2>What guide are you following?
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17:41<Linux-Fan>ronald: Oracle DB may require a different libc than the one provided in Debian IIRC. You can solve this by running it in a container on a Debian host, but performance might be degraded depending on what load you are going to put. I spent some days trying to get to run the Oracle Database Client on Debian. Two years have passed since, but I cannot recommend the experience...
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17:49<jochum>sarnold: yeah would never do that, i think these guys calculated with idle frequency usage only......
17:50<sarnold>jochum: yeah, but it might even make some sesnse.. eg my irssi machine on amazon is a single vcpu with 512M ram and the cpu is probably idle all day long :)
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17:51<jochum>sarnold: also the price calculation table is very interesting, at some point they calc with 1024 vm's per server for 25k and 119k servers and get higher RIO on the big one.
17:52<jochum>they might missed a column how much "VM's" they calculate on that machine
17:52<sarnold>jochum: I have to admit I have trouble thinking about buying a computer that costs probably ten times what my car is worth..
17:52<jochum>sarnold: same :)
17:54<lifesgood>sarnold, I can say confidently that I prefer I super computer than a super car
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17:55<jochum>I would never buy a car more than 60k
17:57<lifesgood>GOD know im good at many thing but I stink at dancing, playing guitarr, and driving a car
17:57<jochum>Sounds like a geek as I am :)
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18:00<lifesgood>I pray to self driving cars become soon common place
18:01<jochum>I hate it that i can't calculate "all-core-boost" on EPYC "Milan"
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18:02<videofix>hello I have q er video modes
18:02<jochum>videofix: "q er" video modes?
18:02<videofix>question regarding
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18:03<videofix>when switching video modes, screen glitches out, like color map is wrong, e.g. some shades of green are red and so on
18:03<videofix>alalso, related or unrelated, shades of grey always flicker a bit. nopt sure if that is hw or drivers issue
18:03<jochum>videofix: hmm i never switch, why do you do that?
18:04<jochum>When you plugin a screen?
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18:04<videofix>this is laptop, using built in screen. by mode change I mean playing with arandr / xrandr to try other modes (to fix the grey flicker)
18:04<videofix>how to debug all this?
18:04<videofix>maybe it is bug in FREE intel drivers Im using
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18:06<jochum>videofix: sure x.org, right?
18:06<jochum>well xrandr then it is
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18:08<videofix>first of, should free intel driver work fine?
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18:08<videofix>III seen similar glitches on free-only debian w before afair
18:09<free2>I know of some visual glitches happening in a different case
18:09<videofix>Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06)
18:09<free2>If X and console have the same resolution, there will be some colors in the upper-left corner of the console
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18:15<videofix>free2: in text mode I do have some glitches on bottom of screen
18:15<videofix>but just sometimes
18:16<videofix>X mode glitches happen more, and the grey flickering happens always in X
18:16<videofix>so.... is the free intel driver supposed to work fine? or how to try tweeking it?
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18:21<videofix>is anyone using free x drivers are are you all o n non-free repo?
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18:22<jochum>I always had discrete Graphics :/
18:22<videofix>jochum: what is that?
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18:23<jochum>videofix: some Nvidia/Radeon
18:25<free2>I use the free drivers
18:25<videofix>free2: what card? no glitches after you cha ges modes with arandr?
18:25<free2>What kind of glitch did you have in text mode?
18:26<free2>Intel Integrated Graphics Controller
18:26<videofix>free2: some part of bottom was a bit garbled randomly
18:26<free2>I can change resolution in X if that's what you mean, no glitches afterwards
18:26<free2>I use xrandr though
18:27<free2>I get colorful lines in the upper left corner, sometimes a zoomed window icon (before when I was testing with windows with title bars)
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18:30<videofix>yeawell I can live with that. I guesss biggest problem is grey flicker, I need to try other X modes
18:30<videofix>how to quickly try various xmodes modelines or whatever to see if any is better
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18:32<lifesgood>with all due respect, anybody know a server and channel where I can debate about A.I. ?
18:32<free2>I guess you add the modes, then remove them, and you script it
18:34<videofix>how should I add them? like try variations of... currently I have:
18:35<videofix> 1920x1080 60.06*+ 60.01 59.97 59.96 40.02 59.93
18:36<videofix>actually how to switch to others of this modes?
18:36<videofix>other ref rate when they differ by float point
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18:37<free2>You said you get the glitch on switching, so you did switch before, right?
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18:37<videofix>free2: yes using this xrandr / arandr, now I back to the default
18:37<videofix>but it is still very glitched colors are messed up terribly
18:37<free2>You frequently switch them?
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18:37<free2>I see
18:38<videofix>free2: I can live with this bug, I have no need to switch in future
18:38<free2>I mean, switch the modes
18:38<videofix>I switch from text to gfx and back but this doesnt trigger glitches on this machine, just playing with xrandr
18:39<free2>Do you have a mode where you don't get glitches at least?
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18:40<videofix>free2: the default graphical modes when it comes on is fine. but once switched to other X mode even when returning back to same X mode it is glitched
18:40<free2>I see
18:40<free2>Do you need to switch the modes?
18:40<videofix>nope, that is not a concern
18:40<free2>Then don't switch them and stick to the one that works?
18:40<videofix>I just need how ever to find once a good mode to fix the flickering (I hope it might be fixed this way)
18:41<free2>When you start X, even before changing the mode, you get the flickering?
18:42<videofix>free2: yes
18:42<free2>Maybe you could wait for a new version of the kernel/driver
18:42<free2>I see :/
18:42<videofix>only on grey colors, not on black and not on bright
18:42<videofix>I guess it is bad modeline, though it could be hw defect in monitor... need to debug :)
18:43<free2>Right
18:43<free2>Maybe you could debug by booting another live image, or in a virtual machine
18:43<videofix>altough Ive sseen this bug before, with super glitched colors.. on radons, on other hardware... something weird is happening. would be glad if it is fixed one day
18:46<free2>Me too. Sorry that I can't help
18:46<free2>I hope you get it fixed soon
18:47<videofix>how at all would I try a bit other modeline, exactly?
18:47<videofix>like what command
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18:58<videofix>how to save a modeline as default to be used on my debian?
18:58<sarnold>twenty years ago you'd put that into your xorg.conf file.. these days that file doesn't exist by default but you can create fragments of it ..
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19:01<videofix>where to? I want it to be global for all users (so not ~/)
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19:02<sney>in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
19:02<sney>you can see some examples in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d on most systems
19:03<sarnold>oh, nice examples
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19:25<videofix>is it still possible to pastebin images on internet?
19:25<videofix>or did it all went to crap
19:25<sney>!paste
19:25<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>.
19:25<sney>there are some image links here
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19:29<videofix>rate my free intel driver setup https://ibb.co/X5880F2
19:29<videofix>this color fidelty
19:30<sney>something is definitely wack yes
19:30<videofix>its like 3rd time totall I see this on debian 10 + free driver
19:31<videofix>(3 computers)
19:31<sney>there's only 1 intel video driver for linux, so saying "free driver" is kind of redundant here. intel writes the driver and contributes it directly to the kernel.
19:31<sney>some newer models are supported by extra firmware, but I think haswell is too old to be affected
19:32<videofix>sney: hmmmm
19:32<sney>!i915 firmware
19:32<dpkg>Some Intel UHD GPUs made after 2015 require firmware from userspace for all features to be enabled. This includes Skylake, Kabylake, Broxton, Cannonlake and possibly others. Ask me about <non-free sources> and install firmware-misc-nonfree to provide.
19:32<sney>worth a shot though, can't hurt etc
19:32<videofix>Ive seen it on free radeon too, almost same effect but way worse. like if Red = Red * 100 module 255 if you know what I mean
19:32<videofix>modulo
19:33<videofix>maybe agreeing on color space or format still eludes developers
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19:37<xorgq>turning off Xorg (no kdm/gdm/..dm) does not reset the colors glitch. any idea for a deeper reset other than full reboot?
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19:38<Cinaeth>so I have x11vnc running on debian and I'm trying to connect with ultravnc - when I do it's asking for a password, even though I left it blank on x11vnc - what gives? I've tried using my normal passwords and a blank password...
19:44<jochum>Cinaeth: theres a tool to generate passwords for x11vnc
19:45<jochum>Cinaeth: I think that helps: https://learn.linksprite.com/pcduino/linux-applications/how-to-change-the-password-of-x11vnc/#:~:text=%5Bvc_row%5D%5Bvc_column%5D%5Bvc_column_text,password%20are%20both%20'ubuntu'.
19:45<lifesgood>hey guys, one question occured to me. totalitary countries like china and north corea have their own flavor of linux right?
19:45<sney>lifesgood: that's not really a debian question, but broadly, anyone is free to make a linux distribution even
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19:49<Cinaeth>jochum: well, that says password check failed
19:49<Cinaeth>when I did those steps then tried ultra vnc again
19:51<jochum>Cinaeth: did you configure x11vnc to use your stored password?
19:52<Cinaeth>I followed the steps outlined in that link - though debian wouldn't let me run vncpasswd
19:53<jochum>no need for vncpasswd
19:53<jochum>Cinaeth: how do you run x11vnc?
19:53<Cinaeth>from applications
19:54<jochum>Personaly I use a commercial tool for that ;P
19:54<Cinaeth>and I set my port to 5900, and use the radial check to select ultravnc
19:54<jochum>You need to select a password file somewhere
19:54<Cinaeth>hit ok, make sure accept connections is checked, hit apply, and OK
19:54<jochum>or maybe just restart x11vnc
19:55<lifesgood>there was a time i was learning how to use virtual machines, i tasted quemukvm and virtualbox, i felt vmware was expensive and offered no advantages. I never felt KVM much easy to manage. I ope one day the debian provide a rich interface like virtualbox for KVM.... another thing strange is that an old version of debian provided virtualbox with apt, now all must be obtained inoracle site.
19:55<jochum>lifesgood: there virt-manager for that
19:56<jochum>theres
19:57<Cinaeth>screw it - I guess I'm having to run this through terminal and see if I can get that to work
19:57<sney>yes, and there is also 'boxes' in the gnome environment,
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19:57<sney>lifesgood: you know, you can ask a question like "is there a gui for qemu/kvm?" instead of going on a long ramble about how you wish there was one
19:58<sney>irc responds better to direct questions
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20:03<Cinaeth>jochum: I don't understand what's not working....
20:03<Cinaeth>I had it working when I first installed things, then I rebooted my debian and it's not working
20:03<Cinaeth>should I jsut remove x11vnc and reinstall it?
20:04<Cinaeth> I jsut went through terminal, followed some google instructions for running it that way - it looks like it's running and it has the password file referenced
20:05<jochum>Cinaeth: so working?
20:05<Cinaeth>no, it's not
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20:05<Cinaeth>x11vnc starts, but ultra vnc on windows isn't connecting
20:05<jochum>hmm do you get an ouptut in terminal when you connect?
20:05<Cinaeth>yeah, it's jsut looping through commands
20:05*jochum doesn't know much about x11vnc, sry
20:06<Cinaeth>ok well, something broke so im gunna try to remove it and readd it
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20:19<lifesgood>sney, I apologize if I looked unpolite. I just saw examples of virt-manager in youtube. look a fancy gui for kvm. in the future I will taste it for sure.
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20:35<lifesgood>how the debian team see technologies as flatpack, docker and snappy?
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20:36<sussudio>i have a snappy somewhere. it made pretty good screengrabs off the tv.
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20:40<videofix2>using old laptop, should you expect GFX to work fine (X mode and text) using only FREE drivers? it does not have to be gaming-fast. look for AMD intel or nv?
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20:51<Ares000>hi
20:52<Ares000>on https://services.oftc.net/nickname
20:52<lifesgood>my first choice of games dont require autstanding gpu, for example civilization, very amusing game and hardware simple
20:52<Ares000>when I search my nickname it says "An error occured fetching the nickname data. It may be private or there may be a problem with the server."
20:53<sney>Ares000: for questions about the oftc network, you should ask in #oftc.
20:53<sney>#debian doesn't mind helping new users get set up, but it's not our system.
20:53<Ares000>thank you
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22:05<lifesgood>please someone up to teach me the best practices of ssh
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22:06<lifesgood>currently I memoryze a long passphrase
22:06<sarnold>I'm on my way out, so it'll be quick...
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22:06<lifesgood>ok
22:06<sarnold>use ssh keys, not passwords; turn off password support once you've got the keys working
22:07<sarnold>if you've got more than a few computers, look into the ssh certificates, instead
22:07<sarnold>(I still haven't done that myself, so it's not like it's a huge deal -- but it looks nicer)
22:08<sarnold>consider using something like fail2ban or firewall rate limiting
22:08<lifesgood>in action I will use a usb stick or something? i am missig the mechanics of login
22:08<sarnold>those ar eless important if you disable password authentication, but it's handy
22:09<sarnold>you'll set up an ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the 'server' and ~/.ssh/id_* files on the client
22:09<sarnold>there are ways to use USB tokens for this but I've not actually done them myself
22:10<lifesgood>thank you sarnold
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22:18<Efenet32>thello
22:18<Efenet32>hi
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22:19<jochum>An easy improvement is an usb token that holds a random password and have keys with that password.
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22:26<FizzBuzz>what did they rename the gnome startup GUI viewer to?
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22:32<jmcnaught>FizzBuzz: do you mean systemd-ui? It was removed for buster.
22:32<jmcnaught>judd: bug rm systemd-ui
22:33<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/864954 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: systemd-ui -- RoQA/RoM; FTBFS, unmaintained»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-06-17; last modified: 2017-07-23.
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22:33<jmcnaught>FTBFS = Fails To Build From Source
22:33<FizzBuzz>no... it used to be like... gnome-software-properties or similar
22:35<FizzBuzz>but now that you mention it, a systemd UI would be useful. Shocked nobody did a quick dirty one in zenity or similar
22:36<jmcnaught>What exactly did the software you are asking about do?
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22:39<FizzBuzz>Well, I assume it replaces the startup status within the .desktop files
22:39<FizzBuzz>I remember having to do it manually previously.
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22:54<FizzBuzz>I don't recall if it also did systemd unit files
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23:56<khimaros[m]>i'm impressed. debian testing (nonfree) works decently well on the pixelbook (eve). only missing functionality seems to be audio and suspend/resume.
23:56<khimaros[m]>on bare metal, when using mrchromebox custom UEFI firmware
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