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00:26<lifesgood>debian is proud to host free tech as far as I know. but I remember java support in standard installation right? java is oracles property. does oracle offer to debian licence to use?
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00:29<themill>java is not oracle's property
00:33<awal1_>dpkg: java
00:33<dpkg>Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged; for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>, <java-package>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java #java on irc.libera.chat.
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00:35<lifesgood>openjdk then
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00:39<lifesgood>for simplicity sake im studyng python, but if I was at the beggining of my carrer I would dive deep in c and c++
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00:50<lifesgood>the most recent critical bug for debian https://www.zdnet.com/article/patch-now-linux-file-system-security-hole-dubbed-sequoia-can-take-over-systems/
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00:55<hime>i stopped reading whn my brain could not understand "And, worse still, any -- I repeat, any -- unprivileged user can abuse it to gain root privileges." does one expect some to not b abler to in this case?
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00:57<sussudio>so, another one where someone must already have a user account to exploit this...
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00:58<hime>i assume oldstable..sid are patched ?
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00:59<hime>remote explots are a lot bigger to me, merely because i figure there are going to be any number of bugs in a big system once you hae a user account. am i wrong?
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00:59<sussudio> * seq_file: Disallow extremely large seq buffer allocations (CVE-2021-33909)
00:59<sussudio>yes, this was already patched.
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01:25<lifesgood>depois do apt, por que manter apt-get ou aptitude?
01:27<lifesgood>eu lembro de usar apt-get no passado
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01:27<lifesgood>ops sorry
01:27<lifesgood>i forgot the translation
01:28<lifesgood>many time ago i used apt-get
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01:28<lifesgood>then came apt
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01:29<lifesgood>aptitude is kept for tradition?
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01:34<hime>i think the sequence was something like dselect, apt-get, aptitude, apt?
01:35<lifesgood>apt is short and practical
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01:45<lifesgood>I already worked in gov companies. Here we see in all public officies windows being used. Its a CRIME. All public officies was supposed to use free software. Almost none use linux. Except federal police. .... much money running in contracts... a shame
01:48<lifesgood>its being long time linux has officeapps
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02:04<somiaj>dselect is actually still around.
02:04<dselect>somiaj: I wish you would RTFM.
02:05<somiaj>note apt and apt-get are part of the same source, apt-get is just used so much in scripts it has to have a stable interface, so apt was meant to be a more user friendly front end for someone to use, while apt-get is now meant mostly for scripting.
02:06<somiaj>aptitude was a different project, though over time features of aptitude make it into apt and visa versa
02:06<somiaj>the main difference of apptitude is it has a curses UI
02:07<hime>i pretty much script everything, so i will only use apt if told to e.g. dist-upgrades
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02:08<somiaj>I would still use apt if running the command from a terminal, it just has a bit nicer output
02:08<somiaj>also apt now has aptitude search flags (not all but most)
02:08<somiaj>well in bullseye
02:09<hime>for a while, aptitude had data in it that apt-get did not, but i think that was fixed
02:09<somiaj>what do you mean by that?
02:09<somiaj>aptitude had features that apt didn't, and that is still the case.
02:09<somiaj>aptitude also has different logic than apt, and that is still the case.
02:10<hime>there used to be some data stored about whether the user installed manually or some such. not related to the conflict resolution, but related to marks of some kind on packages.
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02:11<somiaj>maybe for a small time, but both apt and aptitude support auto installed packages, as they do both use the same core libaries.
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02:11<lifesgood>i believed apt was a contraction of apt-get
02:12<lifesgood>and apt-get a contraction of aptitude
02:13<somiaj>well considering the package apt was first released in 1998 vs aptitude in 2000, I don't think the time line makes sense
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02:15<somiaj>the package apt had multiple binaries, apt-get, apt-cache, etc. apt was just a new binary added to it (so same package) to be a more user frieldnly front end ot the apt libaries.
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02:18<lifesgood>is there other fancy package manager other than synaptic?
02:19<somiaj>I think gnome-software-center is its own thing
02:19<somiaj>but really in debian I would stronlgy suggest using apt/aptitude as the package managers
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02:19<somiaj>(synamptic works fairly well, but in the past had compadability issues)
02:20<lifesgood>the gui of synaptic explains the packages, is very educational
02:20<somiaj>in what way? apt show packagenmae?
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02:22<hime>it shows fonts
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02:28<lifesgood>let me explore your experience a while yes?
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02:28<lifesgood>if I have a server with ssh server
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02:29<lifesgood>may I say a good prot4ection besides using keys in shh ling, use UFW and fail2ban?
02:30<lifesgood>ufw and fail2ban is already a good line of defense?
02:32<somiaj>do you really need a firewall? I don't run services I don't want open to the outside world
02:33<lifesgood>somiaj, i am ilustrating a remote server with a websitet for example
02:34<somiaj>wand are you runnign any services on ports on that server that you dn't have open in your firewall anyways?
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02:35<somiaj>anyways, what you use depends on your threat model, there is no single answer of what is best.
02:36<somiaj>I just think there is to much faith put in firewalls (they are important, but often not running on a single webserver)
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02:40<rudi_s>Well, restricting incoming traffic to known ports with a firewall prevents issues with misconfigurations, so I think it's a good thing on any public serving host.
02:40<rudi_s>(Personally I prefer iptables/nftables instead of wrappers.)
02:40<somiaj>these days iptables is a wrapper *hides*
02:40<rudi_s>Of course, one needs to understand the limitations of a (regular) firewall. It's just a packet filter, nothing more.
02:41<rudi_s>On some systems, true.
02:43<lifesgood>a server may have ftp server, database server, all are vulnerabilities
02:44<somiaj>why would you have an ftp server installed and running if you werne't using it?
02:44<somiaj>also most database servers are configured only to listen on localhost
02:45<somiaj>not saying they are bad, just saying proper configuration is useful, as rudi_s pointed out, they can help protect against missconfiguration
02:46<lifesgood>im not being specific here in my pc, but a production web server may have all this
02:47<somiaj>Is your ftp server being used on this production server, if so don't you have port 21 open because of that?
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02:48<lifesgood>well 21 is the default port for ftp yes
02:48<somiaj>to me running an ftp server at all should be avoided, also configure ssh to only accpet key logins
02:49<somiaj>my point is is there any port on your server that has a service running on it that isn't open to the outside world and blocked by the firewall?
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02:52<lifesgood>somiaj, ftp wold be necessary to upload the web app, I may add that a forfard engineer of database schema would de desirable opening database to external accecc
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02:53<somiaj>it is not necesary, use ssh
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02:55<somiaj>anyways, there is no simple answer, a lot really depends on what you are running.
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03:02<lifesgood>when we are a newbie we do a LOT of stupidities, for example, not long time ago I installed my desktops with ssh server for no reason, just to play acesses from one pc to other.. a big security opened for nothing
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03:18<blechdose>exit
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03:20<lifesgood>the best thing in life is use LUKS in HD and forguet the long memoryzed passphrase
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03:32<andre144k>hello all
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03:36<lifesgood>hi andre144k
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04:43<rparada>Hi there!
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04:44<rparada>Someone knows how to install Ath9k wifi card into an Nvidia Jetson Nano development kit?
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04:56<lifesgood>Im in love with debian S2, heaven, im in heaven....
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05:31<rparada>Someone knows how to install Ath9k wifi card into an Nvidia Jetson Nano development kit?
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06:01<jm_>and presumably you mean how to get the driver working, not installing hardware
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07:49<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
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08:01<anyonebutme>Hi, I'm having an issue with suspend/hibernate. since doing a dist upgrade my computer won't wake up and the only way I can get back is a hard reset. I googled a bunch of things but I'm a bit lost ATM.
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08:04<anyonebutme>`linux 5.10.0-7-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.40-1 (2021-05-28) x86_64 GNU/Linux` running on a lenovo yoga 260, gnome3
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08:11<jochum>anyonebutme: troubles with swap?
08:11<amacater>Power settings?
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08:12<grawity>suspend-to-RAM and suspend-to-disk (hibernate) usually have rather different sets of issues
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08:12<grawity>which one are you trying to use?
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08:12<anyonebutme>both don't work I think
08:13<Cinaeth>Hello, I have a few questions; First when I start my debian computer I get my browser and like 4 terminals that show up empty waiting for commands; why
08:13<anyonebutme>found this in journalctl, (sorry for following dump)
08:13<Cinaeth>^this is after logging in, of course
08:13<amacater>anyonebutme: Use pastebin
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08:13<grawity>would prefer a pastebin link instead
08:13<Cinaeth>!paste
08:13<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>.
08:14<amacater>Too many lines seen as a flood and you get kicked ...
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08:16<anyonebutme>amacater: cool, will do one sec
08:16<anyonebutme>https://pastebin.com/TKGkWh3N
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08:17<anyonebutme>It doesn't seem to respond at all to my power button press, just shows suspend then boot
08:18<amacater>ACPI settings in firmware / "BIOS" settings, perhaps. Gnome3 has a "what to do on power button" under Settings, I think
08:18<grawity>I wonder if it works on newer kernels (like on an Arch livecd)
08:18<grawity>yeah no, there is no setting in gnome3 for what the power button should do when the machine is off
08:19<amacater>This is Bullseye anyway if it's 5.10 - have you got the _latest_ kernel - there were updates to kernel/systemd yesterday or so.
08:21<anyonebutme>I updated yesterday, it's when it started, but i'll do another dist-upgrade and see
08:22<anyonebutme>yeah, diskupgrade says it wants to get a new image, i'll try that and come back
08:22<anyonebutme>thank you
08:23<anyonebutme>*dist-upgrade
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08:34<mimi89999>Why didn't https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/kubectx migrate to testing?
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08:38<bremner>mimi89999: BLOCKED: Needs an approval (either due to a freeze, the source suite or a manual hint)
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08:39<bremner>looks like the uploader didn't apply for a freeze exception
08:39<mimi89999>Nobody requested for one? Who can request for it besides the maintainer?
08:39<bremner>talk to the maintainer
08:39<bremner>maybe the maintainer has a good reason for not requesting
08:40<ansgar>It's not in testing and new packages don't get added to testing in the freeze.
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08:41<anyonebutme>well, that didn't help...
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08:47<Cinaeth>Hello, I have a few questions; First when I start my debian computer, after logging in, I get my browser and like 4 terminals that show up empty waiting for commands; why?
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08:51<omegatron>Cinaeth: is session restoration involved?
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08:52<Cinaeth>omegatron: maybe? How do I check?
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08:52<Cinaeth>that's what I was kind of wondering, if debian holds onto sessions longer than it should - sometimes I can't relog into my user profile after logging out
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08:53<omegatron>that's .. strange
08:54<Cinaeth>yeah, it happens both on the VNC connection and the physical login - I usually have to turn it off and wait a good 10 or more mins too reuse the logins
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08:55<omegatron>anything strange in the syslog file? long timeouts or significant messages ?
08:57<Cinaeth>omegatron: I'm really new to debian, so.... how do I check that? haha
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08:59<omegatron>i'm no debian user ( just idling around here ) .. but usually it's the file at /var/sys/syslog though that may differ from distro to distro .. there may be an GUI program (some system utility) which let's you check those log files without knowing the exact path
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09:06<jochum>its /var/log/syslog
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09:07<omegatron>eh, yes, sorry /var/log/syslog here too .. don't know how I mixed that up .. maybe too hot here today
09:07<grawity>Cinaeth: there *might* be issues with trying to open a new GUI session when the last one is still closing down (e.g. new daemon fails to start because the old one hasn't exited yet)
09:07<grawity>Cinaeth: but I don't think that should cause apps to automatically re-open
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09:15<Cinaeth>grawity: yeah, I just wanted to make my debian a simple - turn it on, leave it on server - and use vnc when needed to check on things
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09:16<bremner>if you want a server, maybe don't install a gui, just ssh in. less to go wrong / misconfigure
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09:17<Cinaeth>bremner: I can SSH in, I just am not familiar with how to use it for checking that terminals are running
09:18<sidirc>Apt depends --installed libncursesw6
09:18<sidirc>Show a few apps which are statically built.
09:19<bremner>Cinaeth: I was suggesting that if you don't have gnome installed, you won't need to debug gnome startup
09:19<bremner>also removing vnc is one less point of failure. Of course it depends what you want the server to do
09:19<Cinaeth>I understand that, but I have no idea how to do, what I'm doing without a gui atm haha
09:20<sidirc>For example nano is a static binary built against netbsd-curses. How does rdepends determine reverse dependencies as it should not be showing nano in this case?
09:20<grove>And then you want some terminals running? Why?
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09:22<bremner>sidirc: it uses the uses the depends from the binary package, which are added at build time
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09:23<Cinaeth>what I'm doing ( in probably more detail than needed ) - Running Factorio, Minecraft, and Terraria headless servers that all connect to another headless server called Archipelago - this facilitates item sharing between the games. It's basically a big Randomizer.
09:24<Cinaeth>to do this, I need to nake sure the files generated for the randomizer are put in the right places, and then get everything talking to each other so they can share items
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09:25<Cinaeth>if I can view what the terminal is doing in ssh, and change terminal instances ( cause each one of these programs has it's own terminal running ) - I could go without a gui
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09:25<grawity>are they the kind of program that *has* to run in a terminal, interactively?
09:26<Cinaeth>yes, cause I mgiht need to issue a command while it's running to get them connected, though, I mgiht be able to do that client side?
09:26<grawity>I think I've seen people run Minecraft inside `tmux` or inside GNU screen, so that it runs via systemd like a service, but you can still `sudo [some options] tmux attach` to it and see the "console"
09:26<grove>Look at running them in a screen, that you can connect to when you ssh in
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09:26<grawity>the same method would work for all such programs
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09:29<Cinaeth>either way, it jsut seems easier to figure out what's goign on with the logins to gnome than to figure out if what I'm doing can even be done over ssh
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09:31<grove>I respectfully disagree. X and gnome are just cruft on a server, especially when you just want to run stuff that requires terminals anyway
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09:32<romo>Hey guys. With the next release, I'm considering switching my mainboard boot mode from 'Legacy' to 'UEFI' & reformatting my boot drives. My current setup is: [Legacy/MBR] /boot /encrypted-root /encrypted-data-partition. How would that translate to [UEFI/GPT]? Do I need /uefi and /boot? (This isn't Dual Boot, Debian will be the sole system running on that drive.)
09:32<grove>Gnome might have pulled in wayland instead of X, but that doesn't matter
09:32<grawity>I don't have a strong objection to X11 for certain kinds of servers but I'd probably have gone with openbox or at most xfce4
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09:34<sidirc>bremner: What I had thought also. But my custom control does not list any Depends: at all being a static build.
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09:34<grawity>romo: an EFI partition is required (/boot/efi on debian, maybe /efi on other distros), but if the bootloader you put in it is able to unlock your encrypted root directly, then a separate /boot partition isn't strictly necessary
09:34<bremner>sidirc: for packaging questions, you should ask #packaging
09:35<sidirc>Will do.
09:35<grawity>romo: some people use /boot *as* the EFI partition, but from what I've heard that won't work with the way debian installs kernels
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09:37<grawity>romo: in general, if you used grub2 in legacy mode, then it's pretty much a direct translation – if grub core went in the post-mbr gap in legacy mode, the same grub core now goes in the EFI partition in uefi mode, all other things stay the same
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09:43<romo>grawity: actually, that'd been my next question "do I just direct the installer to write grub to 'beginning of drive' as well?" - so now I know that goes elsewhere. I'm still trying to make sense of the partition scheme. I might try to accomplish this inside a vm real quick.
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10:02<romo>grawity: So far, I've created a 640 M /boot with FAT32 at the beginning of dsik, but the installer doesn't seem to have any specific efi-setting for it, nor will it let me set 'bootable flag' to on.
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10:06<jhutchins>Will the installer create an EFI partition? If so, how do you make it do that?
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10:14<romo>jhutchins: I'm about to try and install with just /boot and /encrypted-root inside a VM right now. The installer certainly complains about not being able to find a EFI partition and wants me to go back & create one. This is on manual partitioning. If you choose 'guided' I assume it would do that for you.
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10:17<romo>also, 'FAT32' does not seem to be a good choice for a file system on /boot. The installer isn't happy with that and will not continue. I assumed that would be needed to run /boot/efi from it.
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10:20<blechdose>AFAIK you can create one partition using FAT32 and mark it as efi system partition and one partition as /boot with ext. Installer should continue with that.
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10:24<romo>blechdose: that'd been my first impulse as well. do you know if they need a particular order or size? I could try and got /esp(512M) /boot(512M)... if I figure out how creating an esp does work. I could not achive /boot/efi on my own like grawity suggested.
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10:25<romo>unless he meant "creat both" and I totally misunderstood...
10:27<grawity>romo: I don't exactly remember how the installer behaves, but I'm sure it does create an EFI partition and installs GRUB in the right location
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10:28<blechdose>512M esp and 512M /boot should work out fine (I use this setup on most of my machines for vms I normally attach a 1G drive for that). IIRC you should be able to create a partition in the manual partition menu and then choose efi system partition (no need to specify a mountpoint)
10:28<grawity>romo: though the prompts might not quite make sense for EFI (as grub-install on EFI doesn't take a device, it takes a path to where the EFI partition is mounted), but it did work when I last installed both buster and bullseye
10:28<romo>grawity: did you mean to set up both a partition /boot and a partiton /efi or set up /efi as a subdirectory within /boot partition?
10:28<grawity>romo: I think Debian traditionally prefers /boot/efi; the firmware isn't going to care either way
10:29<grawity>(though I use /efi on Arch because it looks nice)
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10:30<grawity>romo: the EFI partition could be in any place on disk (EFI understands partition tables and will just look for the UUID it wants), but having it 1st seems like the most logical choice generally
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10:32<grawity>romo: as for size, somewhere 300-600 MB is best, though it's just to avoid headaches 5 years later (e.g. if you decide to triple-boot)
10:33<grawity>realistically if it only ever holds GRUB then it could be much smaller (e.g. Windows creates a 100 MB one), but I think Debian's installer defaults to 512 MB which is fine
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10:35<romo>grawity: I understand. thought I read about UEFI sorcery being able to read GPT partition table. so order doesn't matter. and yeah, I like to let machines run if they're doing ok so I'm not going to cheap out on disk space for them. that's a good remark. I'm now going to try again with /boot ans esp being separate partitions.
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10:42<romo>if ESP is FAT32 - is there a 'best choice' filesystem for /boot or am I fine to just go ext4 with that in this case?
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10:44<grawity>"whatever your bootloader understands"
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10:44<grawity>the purpose of a separate /boot is to be something that GRUB could load the kernel and stuff from, in case the real / is encrypted or something else
10:44<grawity>so ext4 is a good choice
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10:45<grawity>(GRUB can actually unlock encrypted / directly, so a separate /boot isn't strictly required... but afaik GRUB isn't 100% compatible with LUKS2/Argon2, for example, so it's still something that could save you headache)
10:47<romo>I like redundant stuff being there on the offchance it keeps my blood pressure - that sounds fantastic
10:49<grawity>for additional examples, GRUB is very limited at accessing ZFS, and I'm not sure how good it is at LVM -- those are the cases where you want /boot to be on a "simple" filesystem like ext4 or ext2
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10:55<jkc>GRUB works just fine with LVM.
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11:00<romo>Ah, that's good to know. Never used ZFS but encrypted LVM did die one me once. that was no fun to recover. now I'm happy I don't need LVM. In the current install attempt I think I have done everything correctly. just trying to finish and getting a series of "bad archive mirror" errors.
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11:09<romo>It will not accept any mirror from anywhere... which appears to be unlucky for me because I've chosen to put in a net-install. I think I might end up doing this again...
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11:20<alex_flY>i got a blank screen after suspend (energy savin in KDE)
11:20<alex_flY>the only way to get back is CTR+F1 and CTR+F7 ten times
11:20<alex_flY>or so
11:21<anyonebutme>I have the same issue I think in gnome, trying to figure it out
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11:21<alex_flY>anyonebutme: any success?
11:21<anyonebutme>maybe not exactly the same problem, IDK if ctrl-F7 would fix it (I tried but not 10 times).
11:21<alex_flY>not blanking out the screen is not good for the panel and using a screensaver is really 1990
11:22<anyonebutme>No success yet, sorry
11:22<anyonebutme>did it happen after a dist-upgrade?
11:22<anyonebutme>what does `uname -a` give?
11:22<alex_flY>i got nvidia drives but also testet the nouveau driver
11:23<alex_flY>same result. it is happening also on sddm without beeing locked in
11:23<alex_flY>anyonebutme: yes, aufter upgrade. 5.10.0-8-amd64
11:23<anyonebutme>I did a dist-upgrade yesterday (or maybe the day before), that's when it started, I did another one today. now journalctl doesn't even show me going into suspend :/ (It did before)
11:24<anyonebutme>same one here
11:24<alex_flY>that was also happening in older releases
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11:25<alex_flY>debian 9 and 10
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11:26<anyonebutme>I wish I had another machine to try things out without rebooting, but i'm trying to fix this off-grid with mobile internet so even updates are a bit painful
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11:27<anyonebutme>I am seing a lot of errors in journalctl, but most seem unrelated
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11:29<alex_flY>(II) NVIDIA(0): ACPI: failed to connect to the ACPI event daemon; the daemon may not be running or the "AcpidSocketPath" X configuration option may not be set correctly. When the ACPI event daemon is available, the NVIDIA X driver will try to use it to receive ACPI event notifications. For details, please see the "ConnectToAcpid" and "AcpidSocketPath" X configuration options in Appendix B: X Config Options in the
11:29<alex_flY>README.
11:30<anyonebutme>hmmm, this one i'm not getting
11:31<anyonebutme>this is before suspend then after reboot: https://pastebin.com/2qKVEvMV
11:31<alex_flY>Philips PHL 326M6V (DFP-2): 600.0 MHz maximum pixel clock
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11:32<anyonebutme>Is this in your journalctl?
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11:33<alex_flY>no in X11 log
11:33<alex_flY>/var/log/Xorg.0.log
11:35<anyonebutme>hmmm, my X11 logs didn't seem to update since 2019
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11:35<anyonebutme>I think it might have something to do with systemd or the wayland?
11:35<anyonebutme>IDK
11:36<alex_flY>do i need acpid??
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11:38<anyonebutme>hmmm, I don't know... I feel like it was deprecated a while ago, but I might be very wrong...
11:38<petn-randall>alex_flY: Not on current machines anymore. Most of the features are done by other tools nowadays.
11:39<alex_flY>so where could the not turning on screen after suspend (energy mode) come from?
11:39<grawity>sounds like the nvidia driver specifically wants acpid, not for the event handling that it does, but for the event socket that it provides
11:39<petn-randall>alex_flY: On a laptop? Internal/external screen?
11:40<grawity>(nvidia *could* receive the same events other ways, it just doesn't want to)
11:40<alex_flY>petn-randall: on an desktop
11:40<alex_flY>z77 board
11:40<petn-randall>grawity: Where do you see that? I don't see any rdeps on acpid from nvidia drivers.
11:41<grawity>the aforementioned complaint from xorg.log?
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11:41<alex_flY>petn-randall: it also worked before and i never installed acpid
11:41<anyonebutme>Mine's a laptop, (Thinkpad Yoga 260) I'm not sure if it's just the screen that doesn't turn on, I think it doesn't see anything after a suspend, as in it stays suspended and not making any noises no matter what i do (except a hard reset)
11:43<alex_flY>in my case after suspend, i got an energy saving and no input, if i click on keyboard in suspend
11:43<alex_flY>should i reinstall debian :(
11:43<alex_flY>?
11:44<anyonebutme>I'm not there yet myself
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11:45<anyonebutme>I have a lot of dbus related errors i think, from other applications
11:45<anyonebutme>AT-SPI: Error retrieving accessibility bus address: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files
11:45<romo>grawity blechdose: that's actually running now. it does mount the ESP to /boot/efi on its own while /boot is mounted as /boot. this is much more straightforward than anticipated. so with non-encrypted systems I can just go /ESP /root. Thank you both very much.
11:45<anyonebutme>like this, but not sure what they mean
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11:51<anyonebutme>It seems to me it's saying i'm missing a lot of .service files
11:54<anyonebutme>So a friend suggested we contact https://www.sisofrida.org/ for advice about signing. if we can't find the person I reckon we should, I also reckon BDA won't come back to us
11:54<anyonebutme>OMG, sorry, i'm an idiot!
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12:09<anyonebutme>So, googling this error: Jul 22 13:57:53 shmulik gsd-xsettings[2721]: AT-SPI: Error retrieving accessibility bus address: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files
12:09<anyonebutme>suggested installing at-spi2-core, i'm trying that now
12:10<anyonebutme>no idea what any of this actually is though
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12:11<anyonebutme>OK, assistive tech stuff, unlikely to be the issue i guess
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12:25<vv221>anyonebutme, here I silenced this error with:
12:26<vv221># Disable GTK 3 accessibility features
12:26<vv221>export NO_AT_BRIDGE=1
12:28<anyonebutme>yeah, the message doesn't bother me itself, i'm just trying to dig into why my system won't wake up but going over all the warnings.
12:28<anyonebutme>but thank you
12:29<vv221>It was more to share the comment than the env variable itself, as it explains what is behind the error message ;)
12:29<ckosloff>I recently initiated conversation about Thunderbird bug, it does not display all messages in folders, I have to right-click on folder, selct Properties and then Respai folder to get it to display messages, but as soon as I leave that folder and go back messages disappear agin. I tried removing acount and recreating form server, it is IMAP, removed completely including message data, btu got same bug again.
12:30<ckosloff>Maybe I should post in #ebian-kde
12:30<jhutchins>ckosloff: Have you verified that this is a reported bug?
12:30<bremner>what does it have to do with kde?
12:31<jhutchins>ckosloff: Any reason you're not using kmail?
12:32<ckosloff>bremner: that is what I use for desktop
12:32<anyonebutme>OK, I will come back to this later.
12:32<ckosloff>jhutchins: I find kmail very difficult to set up
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12:33<bremner>ckosloff: there's about 100 reported bugs in thunderbird. You'll have to scan to see if your bug occurs there.
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12:33<ckosloff>jhutchins: maybe I show see a video about it
12:33<ckosloff>bremner: please let me know how to scan those bugs or eventually report one.
12:34<bremner>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=thunderbird;dist=stable
12:35<bremner>or https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=thunderbird;dist=unstable
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12:38<ckosloff>bremner: I am looking but no description fits the actual strange behavior, I use more than one computer, on another computer TB works flawlessly. ckosloff does not understand why.
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12:39<ckosloff>bremner: also tried re-installing program
12:39<jochum>ckosloff: same version of TB one both machines?
12:39<jochum>same "Addons" ?
12:39<ckosloff>jochum: give me a sec to check
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12:40<jochum>For me TB works great
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12:40<jochum>I have 78.11.0 from Debian testing/Bullseye
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12:44<ckosloff>jochum: it is 1:79.12.0.1 stable in both machines, should ig get the testing repo in sources and install from there? Stabe should be bug-free
12:44<jochum>ckosloff: no
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12:46<ckosloff>jochum: what do you suggest?
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12:48<jochum>ckosloff: I can guess only, I would delete everything that has to do with mozilla/thunderbird in /home
12:48<jochum>brb
12:50<jmcnaught>Instead of removing stuff you could set up a new user and configure Thunderbird there to test if it is a problem with the user profile.
12:51<ckosloff>jmcnaught: problem is that in both machines user is same.
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12:52<jmcnaught>ckosloff: one machine works, other does not? Configure a new user on the machine that does not work, to see if it is a problem at the system level or the user config level.
12:52<ckosloff>jochum: there is a folder for TB in /home, delete all of it?
12:54<jmcnaught>Or if you do not want to create a new user to test, test with a new profile see "man thunderbird" and look for -P
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12:55<jhutchins>ckosloff: Try creating a new user and setting up a new thunderbird profile for them,
12:56<ckosloff>jmcnaught: :yes, one machine wroks the other does not, I could solve problem easily by installing NFS and share folders, so I could attach needed files fom computer that stores them, it is the one with TB problems
12:56<jhutchins>jmcnaught: Yeah, like that.
12:56<jhutchins>ckosloff: Do the least destructive change possible. After you try a new user, move don't delete.
12:58<ckosloff>jhutchins: problem is that I even have a gmail account set up in TB and replicates problem with folders.
12:59<ckosloff>jhutchins: not in working machine
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13:01<ckosloff>jhutchins: I would not be able to use a different user in my work-related email, comes from a certain user with its signature
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13:02<ckosloff>jhutchins: it is not a critical problem , I just have to rebuild folder every time, annoying.
13:02<jmcnaught>These are troubleshooting steps to figure out where the problem is, not permanent adjustments. We are suggesting not to delete your Thunderbird profile when you can just make a new one or move the old one to a safe location.
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13:04<ckosloff>jmcnaught: I don't know how to: move the old one to a safe location.
13:06<jhutchins>ckosloff: I stay well away from Thunderbird, but I believe that your mail username does not have to match your shell user name; therefore you can create a new local user and use your work credentials.
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13:06<jmcnaught>ckosloff: one way without moving it is to close Thunderbird, then open a terminal emulator and run "thunderbird -P" which will let you create and select a new profile you can set up and test.
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13:06<ckosloff>jmcnaught: thre is an update for TB in stable, will update computer and see if it fixes the damn thing.
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13:08<ckosloff>jmcnaught: will be back here after dist-upgrade and report.
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13:13<jochum>If it still doesnt work, i like jmcnaught solution with TB profile the most
13:13<jhutchins>I doubt that will fix it, problems like this have been endemic since Thunderbird launched, they are related to the profile but may have other factors.
13:14<vv221>jhutchins, what do you use as a mail client? I set up sieve filters on my mail server to reduce my reliance on Thunderbird filters, but never actually switched to another client.
13:16<jhutchins>vv221: I think the last dedicated client I used was kmail in kde 3.5. When the disaster that was kde4 came out, it took about two weeks to clean up what it did to my mailboxes.
13:17<jhutchins>vv221: These days I use roundcube webmail, and alpine for maintenance.
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13:19<hendursaga>I'm trying to install apt-offline on a presently-offline system running Buster, but apparently Buster only has it in backports - where do I download the .deb file?
13:20<hendursaga>*and verify
13:20<grawity>if you have an online system with buster-backports set up, `apt download` the package
13:21<hendursaga>oh.. forgot about that one, it's been awhile
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13:21<grawity>if you don't, then I would 1) go to packages.debian.org/apt-offline and click the relevant links until I get to the mirror
13:21<grawity>then 2) get the SHA256 sum from `apt-cache show apt-offline` (specifically apt-cache, dunno how to make it appear in apt) and use that for verification
13:22<grawity>ah hmm 2) still needs a buster-backports system
13:22<hendursaga>grawity: for some reason apt download isn't working on my network, I'll do that then
13:23<hendursaga>grawity: and I assume this hash is already verified too?
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13:23<grawity>it's taken from the DB downloaded by `apt update`, which is verified at download time
13:24<hendursaga>that's what I thought, thanks
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13:25<vv221>jhutchins, thanks ;) Probably not an option for me, I’ve been a Web developer for several years so now I hate everything Web-related…
13:27<vv221>(I might still give a try to alpine)
13:27<vv221>Oh, wait, alpine is a MTA, not a MUA?
13:27<bremner>no, MUA
13:28<vv221>Right, read failure on my part ;)
13:28<vv221>"Suggests: (…) default-mta | mail-transport-agent"
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13:29<hendursaga>grawity: and... it won't install because I don't have python3-magic installed yet..
13:30<grawity>repeat the process recursively
13:30<hendursaga>so I guess that means I'm going to have to download and install who knows how many deps until.. ah
13:31<hendursaga>now to figure out how to automate this, heh
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13:31<Monotoko>hey... I think I removed an important package trying to force debian from xfce->Gnome... "shutdown" and "reboot" are no longer recognised commands
13:32<Monotoko>which package are those in?
13:33<grawity>they're not particularly important, but looks like 'systemd-sysv'
13:33<free2>molly-guard systemd-sysv runit-init sysvinit-core
13:33<Monotoko>Ah okay... it seems to be my PATH that's messed up
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13:33<Monotoko>it'
13:33<Monotoko>*it's still in /usr/sbin/
13:34<Monotoko>nvm... I'll go ahead and fix that, but I'm not sure how that got messed
13:37<jochum>Monotoko: shutdown and reboot are sudo commands?
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13:37<vv221>hendursaga, the best way would be to use apt-offline, but I suppose you the the issue here ;P
13:37<jochum>s/sudo/root/
13:37<vv221>It would be nice to have a apt-offline-static for such situations.
13:38<Monotoko>jochum, Ah I didn't set up sudo yet... honestly I normally su, as bad as that is
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13:39<jochum>Monotoko: I belive most people don't like sudo :)
13:39<jochum>I do
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13:40<hendursaga>vv221: turns out I just needed python3-magic
13:40<hendursaga>jochum: doas is better for most use-cases, I'd say
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13:41<colo>I just upgraded my little headless box I use to do email (featuring a puny Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU N3000 @ 1.04GHz) to bullseye, and mutt header compression is FAST all of a sudden. 300% speedup at least. awesome! :)
13:41<vv221>hendursaga, do you have a bit of doc to suggest about doas? I’ve been using it a tiny bit for my local GitLab instance, but never really learned to fully use it.
13:41<hendursaga>vv221: it's so small, there's not much to learn, I'd say
13:42<vv221>That’s what I like in software ;)
13:42<hendursaga>vv221: read the code just for didactic reasons
13:42<vv221>Does it come with something similar to /etc/sudoers for fine tuned permissions?
13:42<hendursaga>it's beautiful, I say
13:42<hendursaga>vv221: it has a lot less bells and whistles but that's the point of it
13:43<hendursaga>vv221: https://man.openbsd.org/doas
13:44<hendursaga>there are ports to FreeBSD & Linux
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13:44<vv221>This sounds like what I was looking for: https://man.openbsd.org/doas.conf.5
13:44<jmcnaught>Monotoko: if you "su" without "-" or "-l" in buster then you do not get /sbin in your $PATH
13:44<vv221>(I see there is a port in Debian repos)
13:45<Monotoko>jmcnaught, Ahhh so I didn't break it, okay fantastic... I've set up sudoers now so we're good
13:45<vv221>OK, looks good, I’m going to use it to replace sudo on one of my computers, see how it fares.
13:46<jmcnaught>Monotoko: did you edit /etc/sudoers? On Debian for sudo access you just add the user to the sudo group, like "adduser monotoko sudo" (as root).
13:46<Monotoko>jmcnaught, I added myself to the group! All good
13:47<Monotoko>just as a quick btw... I noticed if I set a local mirror it still uses security.debian.org for some packages in apt - is there any harm in changing this to a local mirror as well?
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13:47<Monotoko>it's quite a noticable slowdown since I'm in China... so 50kb/s vs 20MB/s for local mirrors
13:47<hendursaga>ha, it took more packages to install apt-offline than the package I wanted!
13:48<hendursaga>well, as long as I get my needed WiFi firmware..
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13:52<jmcnaught>Monotoko: have you tried deb.debian.org as a mirror, it is a CDN. See this page for examples including alternative to security.debian.org: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list
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13:55<Monotoko>jmcnaught, I tried that first but it's slow... so then I tried ftp.cn.debian.org/debian/ and this one works okay... but it doesn't replace the security.debian.org lines in the file when I choose it in the installer (just buster and buster-updates)
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13:56<Monotoko>so I changed them myself from http://security.debian.org to deb http://ftp.cn.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main non-free contrib
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13:56<Monotoko>and it seems much better now, just wondering if I'm opening myself up to any risk
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14:00<jmcnaught>Monotoko: does "apt policy systemd" show 241-7~deb10u8 from debian-security?
14:01<Monotoko>jmcnaught, I think so: https://gist.github.com/ktechmidas/3aadf8ad3744ea013ac002cb17cbbaa2
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14:07<jmcnaught>Monotoko: looks good to me.
14:08<Monotoko>cool thanks
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14:30<bahamat>Is there a way to list just physical interfaces?
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14:32<ckosloff>Ijust installed NFS in two machines in same network, bot wired into same router, need help setting shared folders
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14:35<colo>bahamat, I *think* that only physical network interfaces have a 'devices' subdir in sysfs
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14:35<user>hi
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14:36<colo>bahamat, try `ls -ld /sys/class/net/*/device` and see if that looks good :)
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14:37<Guest1803>hi
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14:38<bahamat>colo: Yeah, that seems like it's the information I was looking for.
14:38<bahamat>But kind of a terrible way to have to go about getting it.
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14:39<colo>sysfs is A-OK!
14:39<Guest1803>deep dark fantasies
14:39<bahamat>I wish I could do `ip link show type phys` (or something)
14:41<Guest1803>who this fcking slave?
14:41<petn-randall>hi Guest1803, do you have a Debian support question?
14:41<Guest1803>sorry
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14:42<vv221>bahamat, based on colo suggestion I hacked together an overengineered command: find /sys/class/net/*/ -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -name device -exec sh -c 'basename $(dirname $1)' -- {} \;
14:43<vv221>(now the `ls` suggestion no longer look that bad ;P)
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14:53<jet>Hi
14:54<jet>I've always maintained a NAS without any accounts or passords, any pc or phone, tablet could freely access it without any issue
14:54<jochum>vv221: rofl
14:54<jochum>vv221: very nice one :)'
14:55<colo>vv221, bahamat - maybe you find this better (shell): for i in /sys/class/net/*; do test -d "${i}"/device && echo "phys: ${i##*/}" || echo "virt: ${i##*/}"; done
14:55<jet>It's wored the same quite often under network wundiws shares
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14:56<jet>but doing nothing but update has nade thelink disappear
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14:57<jet>I've edited smb.conf so it could be used freely (from installation) but somewhere along the line it has just vanished
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14:58<jet>I'd rather not go thruough themounting process. It as great just having the drive there for the family the share books and movies
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14:59<jet>This app won't let mee see what i'm typing, thus the errors. sorry
15:00<jet>I've looked all over duckgo and haven't found a solution
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15:00<petn-randall>jet: How is all this related to Debian, though?
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15:01<jet>its the one system not allowing me to use the drive
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15:02<petn-randall>jet: So the NAS is running plain Debian?
15:02<bahamat>colo: I'd prefer something that I didn't have to look up across the filesystem for each device.
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15:03<colo>jet, I gave a similar setup, with this smbd config: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/0930dabd
15:03<colo>have*
15:03<jet>NAS is running its on win based softtare. I could access it fine from debian early on. acess from indos, mac, android still fine. just cant access from debian
15:04<colo>bahamat, sorry, you get what you pay for ;)
15:04<bahamat>colo: You have no idea how true I find that statement.
15:04<jet>ty colo elet me look
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15:05<colo>jet, note that my config will only be of use when the debian host involved is the server, not the client...
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15:06<ArtGravity>If Debian is the client, this thread may be helpful:
15:06<ArtGravity>https://forums.debian.net//viewtopic.php?t=126176
15:07<jet>ty Art
15:07<ArtGravity>TL:DR; You may need the gvfs-backends package
15:08<jet>it was so great when it was working i havent used in in years
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15:08<jet>win*
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15:09<vv221>Last step of the over-the-top interface type detection: https://debian-facile.org/paste-9D76E9B914-raw
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15:10<vv221>(because one-liners are no fun)
15:10<jenn83>jochum?
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15:11<jenn83>this didn't work. and i fouond some Gnome tweak stuff. AND some shell extensions. AND a cd riper. HEY HEY
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15:13<jenn83>will be around. tell Jochum, i have the buzz er ON.
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15:14<jenn83>sombody, cuz I am nobody.
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15:15<jochum>jenn83: no not sleeping
15:16<jochum>it 9pm
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15:16<jenn83>oh shot= shoot. did i wake you?
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15:32<elliot1>hi, I tried reporting a bug yesterday and I didn't get a confirmation email nor did i show up on the BTS
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15:33<elliot1>sney: I also tried again today and it didn't work
15:33<elliot1>is there anything else I can do?
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15:35<sney>maybe send a regular email to owner@bugs.debian.org and ask what's up
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15:36<elliot1>sney: actually, I did that earlier yesterday and I still got no response
15:36<sney>hum
15:37<sney>I wonder if your mail provider is just blacklisted somehow
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15:37<sney>the bts is typically not very strong on anti-spam, but that's kind of what it sounds like
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15:38<elliot1>weird, is there a free one that is not considered spam?
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15:39<elliot1>like free-as-in-beer
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15:39<jenn83>i took pictures of my yard and stuff. i just have no idea how to put them on this.
15:39<sney>is there a reason reportbug isn't an option?
15:40<elliot1>I was having trouble with it earlier, I guess I could try it again
15:40<elliot1>I'll try that and get back to you on it, thanks
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15:41<elliot1>sney: actually reportbug also asks for an email address so I'm not sure if this will help
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15:42<sney>elliot1: it asks for an email address for replies but it sends using a debian.org mta. which should bypass any issues with your mail provider, at least for submitting the bug.
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15:44<elliot1>sney: oh okay, thanks
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16:06<jenn83>well since i dont have the good drive. no making music while slacking.
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16:06<jenn83>i hate paying amazon. for prime music.
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16:10<amacater>jenn83 - So don't :) Stop supporting them and buy physical copies / switch to another streaming service ... but that's off-topic for here
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16:17<mirko>"No kernel modules found" since at least 6h when trying to install debian bullseye (amd64). Installer freshly fetched before each attempt from https://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/bullseye/main/installer-amd64/current/ - is that normal / to be expected?
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16:18<jenn83>amacater. i have over 200 dvd. i am just lazy. i need to do it on a linux. systerm. since i hate microsft windows stuf
16:18<sney>mirko: did you write the installer to usb using rufus or some other windows tool? they are known to mangle it
16:18<sney>!win32diskimager
16:18<dpkg>win32diskimager is much more reliable than <rufus> or <etcher> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from https://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details.
16:18<mirko>sney: no, i'm launching it via virt-install
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16:19<ansgar>mirko: I think those images don't work if the linux kernel was updated in the release.
16:20<mirko>that they might be out of sync for a moment is what i was aware of so far, but not for almost a full day
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16:20<amacater>ansgar: You think we may have broken Bullseye images now that the kernel image may have updated?
16:20<mirko>but i guess installer rebuilds are just triggered periodically then..
16:20<ansgar>mirko: They don't work until there is a new d-i release.
16:21<ansgar>mirko: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ The netinst installer images include the kernel modules and should continue to work.
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16:22<mirko>which as far as i remember don't work with injecting files (e.g. preseed.cfg) into the initrd.. - at least not with what virt-install provides
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16:25<mirko>i assume there's no version of said kernel modules working online anymore, being compatible to the current or a previous d-i build/release?
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16:29<jkc>mirko: Rufus works just fine for Debian ISOs ***IF*** you use DD mode and not ISO mode.
16:29<jkc>Wait, sorry, I missed a bit in the middle. virt-install. Ignore me.
16:29<jkc>!rufus
16:29<dpkg>rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. Debian CD/DVD images MUST be written in "DD Mode," otherwise it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
16:30<amacater>If all else fails, the Raspberry Pi Foundation tool for burning images appears to work quite well under Windows
16:31<jenn83> DD disc
16:31<amacater>To be honest, a Linux machine and dd works best for me every time :)
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16:36<petn-randall>amacater: if you use plain `cp` you don't even have to care about the block size.
16:36<sney>but without dd and its obscure syntax, how will I feel like I'm hacking
16:37<jenn83>DD duck duck
16:37<petn-randall>sney: `apt install cmatrix && cmatrix`
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16:40<sney>the xscreensaver hacks are pretty good too.
16:43<amacater>sney: http://flosslinuxblog.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2020-07-24T17:15:00%2B01:00&max-results=7&start=21&by-date=false at the bottom of the page
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16:44<sney>amacater: conv=notrunc is a popular one, too.
16:44<jenn83>thanks Amacater
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17:07<orma>In my wifi settings, I changed "method" in the IPv6 section to ignored but I still have an IPv6 address. How can I disable IPv6 in my computer?
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17:13<jkc>orma: Do you have an address that starts with something other than fe80?
17:13<jkc>If not, then you have nothing to worry about.
17:15<orma>jkc: yes
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17:15<jkc>Alright, let me back up here. WHY do you want to disable ipv6?
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17:16<jkc>I mean, it's 2021. If you have functional ipv6 connectivity, that's a very good thing.
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17:17<orma>jkc: I heard there are privacy issues when ipv6 is enabled
17:18<jkc>There are not.
17:18<jkc>If you're using EUI64 addressing, which you are, I can tell what your MAC address is. Which... is meaningless in terms of privacy.
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17:21<orma>jkc: oh, I heard NAT is a good thing because it hides your MAC address
17:21<jkc>orma: NAT is a complete trash fire that was created to handle the fact that there were limited IPv4 addresses.
17:22<jkc>orma: NAT was never intended to hide anything. NAT is neither a security nor a privacy measure. It's an address conservation measure, and nothing more.
17:22<jkc>orma: Now, depending on how you're managing your network connection, you may be able to avail yourself if IPv6 Privacy Extensions.
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17:23<mirko>jkc: serious question: is that also the case for ipv6? i mean, it's pretty sure not for conserving addresses..
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17:23<jkc>mirko: If you're using IPv6, you should not be using NAT. At all. Ever. Yes, NAT facilities do exist for IPv6. Don't. Just do not.
17:24<mirko>jkc: the question was intention while implementing/"inventing" - and NAT was implemented for ipv6. so, for what reason then?
17:24<bahamat>mirko: What you think of as security of NAT, is really a stateful packet filter on the router. If you disable the packet filter, NAT provided zero security.
17:24<jkc>mirko: For cases where an organization needs more subnets than their ISP provisions.
17:25<bahamat>Which means that NAT provides zero security. It just happens to be most commonly deployed along with a packet filter. It's the packet filter that provides security.
17:25<mirko>bahamat: i know what it is, just curious about why nat for ipv6 after such rather bold statements
17:25<mirko>jkc: so, still for saving addresses
17:25<bahamat>mirko: There are cases where address translation and/or mangling is useful. But it's not anything to do with security.
17:25<jenn83> So, if we have the option. don't. when configuring an extended wifi. Is that rith. cause i have to call and beg the idiots at comcast to give me a ip ver4 address. every time i put a different extended wifi on. I hate caling calling in.
17:26<jkc>mirko: Some ISPs are idiotic and only allocate single subnets to end users rather than a /56 or larger. You can use ULA addressing to give yourself the subnets needed, and NAT them to the smaller pool that the ISP gives you.
17:26<jkc>mirko: So yes, its for the same purpose as IPv4.
17:26<jenn83>(muters bad swear word about 1st tier call in centers
17:27<jkc>If you have a large enough allocation from your ISP, do not use NAT for IPv6. Simple.
17:27<jenn83>and they get wierd when i change. other stuff .
17:27<mirko>thanks, didn't know ISPs cutting on ip space there, thanks
17:27<jenn83>thanks jkc.
17:30<orma>jkc: I heard that hackers have an easier time with ipv6 than ipv4, is that true or is it just old news?
17:30<jkc>orma: Total FUD.
17:31<jenn83>fud?
17:31<jkc>Fear, uncertainty, and doubt.
17:31<jenn83>kkd, thank you.
17:32<orma>jkc: ok, thanks
17:33<sarnold>orma: probably what you heard was folks didn't know they had working ipv6 and thus never set up firewalls for it
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17:34<jkc>Which would still be very strange given that the edge firewall that IPv6 traffic would have to traverse won't pass that traffic by default.
17:35<jkc>Unless said firewall was woefully misconfigured
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17:38<orma>jkc: there's an article in WIRED called "The Ghost in Your Machine: IPv6 Gateway to Hackers" but the article is from 2008...
17:38<jkc>I can cat /dev/urandom and get an article more valued than something in WIRED.
17:40<orma>jkc: haha, ok
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17:45<mirko>jkc: you shouldn't have seeded your PRNG with better articles then ;)
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18:07<alex_flY>anyone got no signal screen problems afte just screen blanking?
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18:10<jochum>alex_flY: try CTRL+ALT+F1 then CTRL+ALT+F7 might help
18:10<alex_flY>jochum: it helps, but that is only a temp. solution
18:11<alex_flY>and kwin crashes after that. i have to restart with kwin --replace
18:12<alex_flY>jochum: but what may cause this problem, and why some standard is not working? I use now a screen saver like in1990s to avoid CTRL+F1 ...
18:14<jochum>alex_flY: i had this troubles long ago, gfx drivers have been the problem
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18:15<jochum>alex_flY: can you please check and set the screen saver to blank very soon
18:15<jochum>just as test
18:15<alex_flY>jochum: nice to know! i removed nvidia drives, but same problem
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18:16<jochum>alex_flY: in that short time or you did before? :)
18:16<jochum>alex_flY: sounds like you know what you do :)
18:16<alex_flY>xset dpms force off
18:16<alex_flY>produces same problem
18:17<alex_flY>jochum: i am sitting one week with this problem :|
18:17<jochum>So you'r using X.orgg
18:17<alex_flY>tried a lot stuff
18:17<alex_flY>jochum: yes
18:17<alex_flY>my problem sounding like this: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/983
18:18<alex_flY>but nothing helps
18:19<jochum>alex_flY: your on Nvidia? (some lines above you say so?)
18:19<alex_flY>i am using nvidia gtx1060 but my screen got freesync.
18:19<jochum>I googled this one, where they suggest to downgrade DRI3 to DRI2 on Intel: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=218734
18:19<jochum>Last answer
18:21<alex_flY>jochum: thanks! so but i have no xorg.conf.
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18:22<alex_flY>i have an onbord intel, but disabled and an nvidia discrete graphics card that i am using. I this option usable in NVIDIA?
18:23<jochum>alex_flY: i don't know
18:23<jochum>alex_flY: I can help you to create that config (just insert what you need)
18:23<alex_flY>where to put it?
18:23<alex_flY>xinitrc?
18:24<alex_flY>LIBGL_DRI3_DISABLE=1?
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18:25<jochum>alex_flY: did you try to switch OSS drivers?
18:25<jochum>just as test
18:26<alex_flY>jochum: no. how to switch?
18:26<jochum>yes, you said so
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18:26<jochum>"removed nvidia drivers" you said
18:26<alex_flY>a yes i got nouveau driver. same issue
18:26<jochum>ohh you can spell them :-) I can't :)
18:27<alex_flY>you should xD if you installing deinstalling
18:27<alex_flY>lynx in terminal is not the best option for problem solving
18:28<alex_flY>jochum: do you thing i should reinstall debian bullseye?
18:28<jochum>alex_flY: what you could try is to run livedvd and see if it makes troubles
18:28<jochum>alex_flY: i believe it will
18:29<alex_flY>okay. i will test it
18:29<jochum>I believe it will make troubles
18:29<jochum>to complete the sentence
18:30<jochum>Not sure that helps, please stop your display manager
18:30<jochum>then "LIBGL_DRI3_DISABLE=1 startx" as USER
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18:30<jochum>alex_flY: remember I'm just trying stuff with you
18:30<alex_flY>okay, so wait a second. i will be back in a sec
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18:35<spawacz>Any idea why after making cron log to separate file i still get some cron logs in my /var/log/syslog?
18:36<spawacz>I've modified /etc/rsyslog.d/50-default.conf and majority of cron logs are in /var/log/cron.log but my syslog is still receiveing some...
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18:36<jochum>I believe i found the ultimate fix for alex :)
18:37<jhutchins>spawacz: Since you didn't sepecify WHAT thins are ending up in the syslog we can't be expected to know why.
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18:39<spawacz>Hm, can you elaborate? I've never tinkered with syslog
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18:40<jochum>spawacz: pastebin some lines of cron you dont like in syslog?
18:40<jochum>!paste
18:40<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>.
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18:41<alex_flY>jochum: without sudo it does not start
18:41<spawacz>hmm it actually seems that the logs are duplicated...
18:41<jochum>alex_flY: i found the fix
18:42<alex_flY>jochum: :O
18:42<jochum>https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA/Troubleshooting HardDPMS
18:42<jochum>alex_flY: I'm pretty sure it fixes your problems
18:42<alex_flY>i hope so!
18:42<alex_flY>i would be so happy
18:42<jochum>me too
18:42<jochum>https://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/435.17/README/xconfigoptions.html
18:42<jochum>to learn more about it
18:43<jochum>just search for HardDPMS
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18:43<spawacz>i tihnk i fixed it
18:44<jochum>alex_flY: as these informations for arch, we can figure out a debian way.
18:44<jochum>are
18:44<alex_flY>jochum: would it be okay to use nvidia-settings tool to create xorg.conf?
18:44<jochum>alex_flY: no
18:45<jochum>It seems nvidia-settings doesnt know HardDPMS, thats why
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18:45<jochum>well ... you can create one and fill it
18:45<jochum>extend
18:46<alex_flY>jochum: i was not successfull in creating xorg.conf by myself XD
18:46<jochum>alex_flY: please plastebin "ls -lR /etc/X11/"
18:46<jochum>or was it ls -lr
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18:47<jochum>maybe jhutchins wants to hope in and help us with that, sorry for the ping :)
18:48<alex_flY>jochum: thats what nvidia creates: https://pastebin.com/bexPv41V
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18:48<jochum>well try it :)
18:49<jochum>alex_flY: do you know howto extend it ?
18:49<alex_flY> Option "DPMS"
18:49<alex_flY>this option is already there
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18:49<alex_flY>jochum: in Section monitor?
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18:49<jochum>Device AND Screen: Option "HardDPMS" "true"
18:51<jochum>alex_flY: after that be prepared to edit remove that file in console, then sudo systemctl restart <displaymanager>
18:52<alex_flY>why in console?
18:52<alex_flY>thats correct: https://pastebin.com/WjccDs3t
18:52<alex_flY>remove which file in console
18:53<jochum>/etc/X11/xorg.conf
18:53<jochum>console -> CTRL+ALT+F1
18:53<alex_flY>and then rm?
18:53<jochum>if something goes wrong
18:53<alex_flY>the xorg file?
18:53<jochum>the config
18:53<alex_flY>ah yes
18:54<alex_flY>thx. i am using linux since 2005 or so
18:54<jochum>I'm also a long time user
18:54<alex_flY>okay. i will be back fireing it up
18:54<jochum>good luck!
18:54<alex_flY>but i am to lazy. arch was too hard ... :)
18:54<alex_flY>the last paste was correct?
18:54<jochum>My way was Suse -> Gentoo -> Ubuntu -> Debian
18:55<jochum>alex_flY: looked good to me on a fast scan
18:55<alex_flY>jochum: this one: https://pastebin.com/WjccDs3t
18:55<jochum>In the past i created files exactly like that one, yes.
18:55<alex_flY>debian -> ubuntu -> fedora -> arch -> suse -> debian for ever xD
18:55<jochum>xD
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18:56<jochum>But I'm in love with debian testing
18:56<jochum>Not the stable one
18:56<jochum>:)
18:56<alex_flY>ah, stable was cooler. upgraded last week
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18:56<jochum>On Servers only stable ofc
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18:56<alex_flY>i like stable, whenm everything works and only my code got seg faults xD
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18:58<jochum>:-)
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18:59*jochum is waiting for alex to reapear :)
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19:03<alex_flY>jochum: same issue :(
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19:03<jochum>damn
19:03<jochum>alex_flY: are you using the nvidia driver?
19:03<jochum>yes, without it you dont have -settings
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19:04<jochum>alex_flY: did you try with xset?
19:06<alex_flY>jochum: yes i am using nvidia
19:06<jochum>xset?
19:06<jochum>please try without
19:06<jochum>just have a short sleepmode time in settings
19:06<alex_flY>syslog https://pastebin.com/pzg19gy6
19:07<jochum>guten Morgen :)
19:08<alex_flY>jaja. moin! Xorg log https://pastebin.com/WzWsiu8a
19:09<alex_flY>jochum: bist deutch?
19:09<jochum>I'm from Austria
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19:09<jochum>but we need to join #debian.de to talk german :)
19:10<alex_flY>ah nice!
19:10<jochum>In your xorg log I see: "ACPI: failed to connect to the ACPI event daemon; the daemon"
19:10<alex_flY>so, any idea?
19:10<jochum>I'm guessing
19:10<jochum>idk, if ACPI has something to do with screen-blanking
19:10<alex_flY>yes, but what is the solution? install acpid?
19:11<alex_flY>maybe?
19:11<alex_flY>i hate nvidia and X :)
19:11<jochum>no clue
19:11<alex_flY>since my first days
19:11<alex_flY>i googled solution for NVIDIA(0): ACPI: failed to connect to the ACPI event daemon; the daemon
19:12<alex_flY>but nothing helped
19:12<jochum>which time did you call xset?
19:12<jochum>no need for the exact time just to see in your syslog paste
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19:13<alex_flY>└─ $ ▶ cat ~/.xinitrc
19:13<alex_flY>xset -dpms
19:14<jochum>whats that?
19:14<alex_flY>my xinitrx. one solution in the net was to add this
19:14<alex_flY>should i remove it?
19:14<jochum>yes
19:14<jochum>then restart sddm and wait for screensaver to do its job
19:14<alex_flY>maybe thats why harddpms not work
19:15<alex_flY>XD
19:15<jochum>yes
19:15<jochum>MAYBE
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19:15<alex_flY>GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nomodeset"
19:15<alex_flY>and GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="nouveau.modeset=0"
19:15<alex_flY>a problem?
19:15<alex_flY>remove these lines?
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19:16<jochum>you dont need them, i belive, yes.
19:16<jochum>And "update-grub"
19:16<jochum>before reboot
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19:16<jochum>brb coffee
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19:22<alex_flY>jochum: no. does not work
19:22<jochum>argh
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19:23<jochum>So you removed all shit except that X.org conf and tried with screensaver w/o xset?
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19:25<alex_flY>yes
19:25<alex_flY>removed xinitrc
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19:25<alex_flY>removed all in default grub
19:25<alex_flY>update-grub and reboot
19:25<jochum>wait for screensaver to kick in?
19:26<alex_flY>yes
19:26<jochum>some people in the wild recommend to install acpid to remove that error, let's if it fixes your problem (I don't think so)
19:27<jochum>afterwards restart sddm
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19:28<alex_flY>only installing or setup in systemd
19:28<alex_flY>?
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19:29<alex_flY>debian 10 worked perfect. a mistake to upgrade?
19:30<jochum>should install itself
19:30<jochum>alex_flY: well for your use-case new software brings new problems :/
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19:30<alex_flY>sudo apt install acpid is enough?
19:31<jochum>you will see if it starts and see in "ps axu"
19:31<jochum>ps axu | grep acpid
19:31<alex_flY>sudo systemctl status acpid.service -> Active: active (running)
19:31<jochum>or that :)
19:31<jochum>sddm again :P
19:32<alex_flY>okay
19:32<alex_flY>see u
19:32*jenn83 english
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19:33<jochum>alex_flY: the longer I think, do you have a current BIOS/UEFI ?
19:34<jochum>Been reading on the net that someone fixed that
19:34<alex_flY>no. it is an old computer with an modified bios by myself for start from nvssd
19:35<alex_flY>GA-Z77X-D3H
19:35<alex_flY>i7 3770
19:35<alex_flY>32GB ram. for me it is enough
19:37<jochum>So no current BIOS ?
19:37<jochum>Its not a big chance it fixes that one
19:37<jochum>So please dont mess your bios cause of that :)
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19:40<alex_flY>its a last bios from F18i 2014.01.07 which i patched
19:41<alex_flY>so use debian 10 again?
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19:42<alex_flY>jochum: ?
19:42<jochum>alex_flY: ugly fix... what if you disconnect the power of the monitor?
19:42<jochum>and power on
19:42*jochum was googling
19:43<alex_flY>i tried switch hdmi on and off. it works
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19:43<alex_flY>jochum: test power on and off
19:43<jochum>that should work also
19:43<jochum>when hdmi works
19:44<alex_flY>i would like to stay in bullseye
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19:44<alex_flY>but i will switch back, because i lost a lot of time!
19:44<alex_flY>to solve this problem
19:46<jochum>last try
19:46<jochum>Options "DPMS" "off"
19:46<jochum>in xorg.conf -> sddm
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19:47<jochum>Option "DPMS" "false"
19:47<alex_flY>jochum: it says no video input
19:47<jochum>please also remove the harddpms lines
19:47<alex_flY>false or off
19:47<alex_flY>?
19:47<jochum>false
19:47<jochum>and "Option"
19:48<jochum>where you already have DPMS
19:48<jochum>which driver you have with the 1060TI 440 ?
19:49<jochum>You should, nvidia reports it as compatible
19:49<jochum>https://www.nvidia.de/Download/driverResults.aspx/157469/de
19:49<alex_flY>its gtx1060 without ti its v. 460.73.01
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20:07<jochum>alex_flY: i may have another try which might be a solution
20:07<jochum>alex_flY: nvidia-legacy drivers
20:08<jochum>I can confirm they support the GTX1060
20:08<jochum>https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/177153/en-us
20:09<swift110>hey all
20:12<alex_flY>jochum: it could be a problem with the cuda development. i am using tensorflow c++
20:12<alex_flY>so, i give up
20:12<alex_flY>i test the live cd
20:13<jochum>Sorry for not having something better
20:13<alex_flY>and go back to buster and stay there for next 2 years
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20:13<alex_flY>jochum: no problem
20:13<alex_flY>not your fail. thank you so much for your time
20:13<alex_flY>very friendly!!!
20:14<jochum>Maybe tomorrow again in #debian-next ? Hopefully theres someone who fixed that.
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20:16<jochum>I would rather switch the source on the screen than downgrading the os :)
20:17<jochum>I believe you don't have a DP cable?
20:17<jochum>And the screen doesnt have dp
20:17<jochum>"switch the source" I mean everythime
20:18<alex_flY>its hdmi
20:18<alex_flY>it got one dp port
20:19<jochum>I dont know it fixes that, just another thing on the Todo
20:19<alex_flY>okay
20:19<alex_flY>but the cable is too short
20:19<alex_flY>dp
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20:19<alex_flY>:)
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20:20<jochum>Then order a longer one :)
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20:24<alex_flY>yeah, i dont think so. got too 60Hz 4K cable
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20:28<jochum>alex_flY: https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/solution-for-nvidia-sleep-wake-issue-in-linux/110911
20:28<jochum>alex_flY: after googling HDMI linux wake up
20:28<jochum>alex_flY: PLEASE try that one
20:28<jochum>just for me :P
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20:31<jochum>If you do so, you might want to remove that stuff during boot from grub, let me know if you need help wiht that
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20:37<alex_flY>jochum: I will do it, just for u
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20:37<jochum>hihihihiihi
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20:40*jochum is waiting for the success message :P
20:41<dvs>!test
20:41<dpkg>Test failed.
20:41<jochum>:-)
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20:43<jochum>!test
20:43<dpkg>Test failed.
20:43<jochum>it not dynamic
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20:48<Sqrt{not}>swift110, hi
20:48<jochum>ohh hi swift110 :/
20:51<alex_flY>jochum: so it does not work.
20:51<alex_flY>added also acpi= something options in grub
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20:53<anyonebutme>I'm still on my mission to make my computer wake-tf-up when it's a sleep.
20:54<anyonebutme>I just noticed, when I `xset dpms` stuff i get a "server does not have extension for dpms option" error
20:54<anyonebutme>which after a bit of googling, seems related ish
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20:58<sarnold>anyonebutme: do you see dpms log entries with: grep -i dpms /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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20:59<anyonebutme>[ 268.330] (II) modeset(0): No DPMS capabilities specified
20:59<anyonebutme>[ 268.633] (==) modeset(0): DPMS enabled
20:59<sarnold>very strange; on my ubuntu focal system:
20:59<jochum>anyonebutme: but your error is computer does not wake up from suspend, right?
20:59<sarnold>[ 257.747] (II) modeset(0): DPMS capabilities: StandBy Suspend Off
20:59<sarnold>[ 258.166] (II) modeset(0): DPMS capabilities: Off
20:59<sarnold>[ 258.336] (==) modeset(0): DPMS enabled
20:59<sarnold>[ 258.341] (II) Initializing extension DPMS
21:00<alex_flY>jochum: no, its aufter blanking the screen only
21:00<alex_flY>after that the screen turns on and it shows, no signal
21:00<jochum>alex_flY: i mean anyonebutme :)
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21:00<anyonebutme>yup
21:00<jochum>alex_flY: ahh you tried agaon
21:01<jochum>alex_flY: please post /proc/cmdline here
21:01<alex_flY>i am using kde
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21:01<alex_flY>its in energy saving only blanking screen
21:01<alex_flY>what i am using. no standby
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21:02<jochum>Bullseye, GTX1060, nvidia drivers 460.x
21:03<alex_flY>yes
21:03<jochum>alex_flY: what gives cmdline?
21:04<jochum>just want to be sure theres no typo
21:04<alex_flY>what do u mean by cmd?
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21:04<jochum>cat /proc/cmdline
21:04<jochum>BOOT_IMAGE=/@root/boot/vmlinuz-5.13.3 root=UUID=39476e50-4d3b-4e52-b1f6-572522e4d159 ro rootflags=subvol=@root reboot=acpi quiet intel.iommu=on amdgpu.dc=1 apparmor=0
21:04<jochum>thats mine
21:04<alex_flY>BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.10.0-8-amd64 root=UUID=10362cc9-45dd-48ee-abdc-d86fb00a777c ro acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2012"
21:05<alex_flY>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GP106 [GeForce GTX 1060 6GB] [10de:1c03] (rev a1)
21:06<jochum>anyonebutme: not sure it helps you: https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
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21:12<anyonebutme>jochum , hmmm, interesting...
21:14<jochum>alex_flY: switch to DP ;P https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=335628
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21:15<jochum>Hive the PC on your desktop and connect DP ;P
21:17<anyonebutme>but intuitively my gut feeling is that it was working before, it's this issue, as it kind of feels like if it's about some locked or obscure bios feature it wouldn't have before... but i'm not sure that's true.
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21:19<jochum>anyonebutme: by any chance do you still have an old kernel?
21:19<jochum>ls -l /boot
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21:21<anyonebutme>seems 4.19 is still in my /boot
21:22<anyonebutme>yeah
21:22<anyonebutme>I guess i should boot into it and see if it works there, BRB
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21:24<don>hello
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21:24<alex_flY>4.19 worked fine
21:24<don>I am using Debain Buster and have been struggling with Hp printer drivers.
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21:25<don>what is the difference in the different versions drovers for the same printer
21:25<jochum>hi don
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21:26<anyonebutme>OK, well, it works on 4.19!
21:26<jochum>anyonebutme: so 5.10 and your hw are incompatible, you have a fix but its more a workaround
21:26<don>Why does Linux versions need different drivers when the printer is not changed. Same printer dont work well either but still needs new drivers when udpading versions
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21:26<jochum>anyonebutme: all kind of bugs can happen with old kernel new os
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21:27<don>hi jochum
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21:27<jochum>I never used "HP Drivers" on Linux
21:28<jochum>If printer works with Linux ok, if not i throw it away
21:28<jochum>except the ones that come with Debian non-free
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21:28<don>this one is an all in one hp color laser printer
21:28<jochum>Give the Model and i google for ya
21:29<don>Color Laserjet Pro MFP M 182nw
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21:30<don>I have used various Linux for 20 years or so started with Red Hat 7 and Mandrake. Same problems all along to path.
21:31<don>Always need to update printer drivers at upgrades for no real reason. Used same printers most of the time.
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21:31<tizef[m]bzh>There will ne some reasons
21:31<don>Thiis time I am really wanting to use the scanner but it is not happening
21:32<tizef[m]bzh>s>ne>be
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21:33<jochum>don: "apt install printer-driver-hpijs"
21:34<don>But why need new drivers.
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21:34<jochum>anyonebutme: you could try to downgrade acpi_osi
21:35<jochum>don: normaly new drivers for new printers
21:35<don>yes have done all the hplip and recommended stuff from HP website and various sane programs to do scanning but dont work
21:35<jochum>!dpkg printer-driver-hpijs
21:36<jochum>!search printer-driver-hpijs
21:36<jochum>dont know howto trigger that bot
21:36<jochum>!pkg printer-driver-hpijs
21:36<don>Ok
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21:38<jochum>don: your just interested in scanning? Printing already works ?
21:39<themill>,i printer-driver-hpijs
21:39<judd>Package printer-driver-hpijs (text, optional) in buster/amd64: HP Linux Printing and Imaging - printer driver (hpijs). Version: 3.18.12+dfsg0-2; Size: 361.2k; Installed: 2239k; Homepage: https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing
21:39<don>yes printer is working from my computer laptop wifi to other comoputer and cellphone
21:39<don>Will not scan from any sane program i have on latest Debian 10
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21:40<jochum>don: you have hp-scan installed (hplip)
21:41<don>did not work on Debian 8.0 8.5 9.3 9.8 10.0 10.3 10.5 or 10.10 which is now looaded
21:41<tizef[m]bzh>I scann with : https://packages.debian.org/en/buster/simple-scan
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21:41<don>yes hp scan is loaded
21:42<don>simple scan can not find printer scanner
21:42<tizef[m]bzh>....
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21:45<don>I have simple scan scanlite sane-pykgt sane and xsane from apt-get servieds
21:46<don>I tried all of them and went to HP site and did all th eir stuff. I really wish I knew why they cant just use the same drivers.
21:46<jochum>don: ever tryed to add the printer as network printer and scan over that?
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21:46<don>Yes
21:46<jochum>like that: https://www.systutorials.com/how-to-configure-scanner-in-a-hp-all-in-one-printer-on-linux/ ?
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21:47<don>I think I already did that one.
21:47<jochum>don: do you have a win/mac box? scanner works ?
21:48<don>I used my dual boot laptop to get scans last time cause I could not get it to work.
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21:48<don>No on the win mac
21:48<jochum>recently i installed a cannon one, it didn't work in scan modus you have to set it to print before your able to scan from windows.
21:48<jochum>friend of mine got one
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21:51<don>The current indo box on the menu is really laacking of detail. and usable choises. Many moons ago there was always more choises available than you could figure how to use. but not now.
21:52<don>right now when I look at the DEVICES page and Printers I see 2 faxs and 5 printers but no scanners
21:53<don>two printers show USB connections the others are just there and ready
21:53<jochum>don: what you get from simplescan?
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21:54<Ralphie57>Hello. When I boot into Debian the display resolution is wrong for my screen. I can set it right once I'm logged in (using "xrandr") but I'd like to have it done before from the login screen. I tried doing so with ".xprofile" file but had no luck. Any idea? (Debian 10, Mate desktop)
21:54<jochum>Ralphie57: old screen/laptop?
21:55<don>when I open it up it searches for a scanner but fails
21:55<jochum>don: follow the guide i linked, please.
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21:55<jochum>don: and use jetdirect
21:55<jochum>not usb
21:56<jochum>Ralphie57: in the past i used xorg.conf for that
21:56<Ralphie57>jochum, desktop computer, the screen is not that old, in the past using other distros (and even Debian) I didn't had that problem. It started with this fresh install.
21:57<Ralphie57>Ok, I'll look into xorg.conf
21:57<jochum>Ralphie57: nvidia card where you had propritary drivers before?
21:57<jochum>Ralphie57: second please
21:58<Ralphie57>jochum, yes nvidia card I used it without propietary drivers before (on Debian) and didn't have problems. Also used it with propietary drivers on OpenSuse.
21:58<jochum>Ralphie57: which model?
21:58<Ralphie57>jochum, old model: GeForce 9400 GT
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21:59<jochum>https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/177153/en-us <-- check if they support it
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21:59<jochum>.i nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver
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22:00<judd>Package nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver (non-free/x11, optional) in buster/amd64: NVIDIA metapackage (390xx legacy version). Version: 390.143-1~deb10u1; Size: 486.0k; Installed: 1188k; Homepage: https://www.nvidia.com
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22:00<jochum>Ralphie57: as this computer worked with prop. drivers before i recommend to install them again
22:00<Ralphie57>jochum, it seems they don't support it.
22:01<jochum>ohh sad
22:01<Ralphie57>Does that mean if I install propietary drivers again it won't work?
22:01<don>switched to Root and did update and install error liphpmud0 not found
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22:02<jochum>Ralphie57: sounds like you need even older drivers which don't work with buster kernel :/
22:02<Ralphie57>Oh, I see jochum.
22:02<jochum>,i libhpmud0
22:02<judd>Package libhpmud0 (libs, optional) in buster/amd64: HP Multi-Point Transport Driver (hpmud) run-time libraries. Version: 3.18.12+dfsg0-2; Size: 181.6k; Installed: 413k; Homepage: https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing
22:03<jochum>Ralphie57: google for EDID and 9400 GT
22:03<jochum>linux ofc
22:04<jochum>EDID is the way the monitor tells the comp what it can do (if I understand it right)
22:04<jochum>Ralphie57: i believe your interested in ONE mode, right?
22:05<don>is there a letter to use to fix all broken packages
22:05<Ralphie57>jochum, yes, just one mode.
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22:05<don>says there are some broken packages not fixed
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22:06<jochum>Ralphie57: look at this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/74808/how-do-i-force-a-resolution-of-1024x768
22:07<jochum>don: do you mean "apt install --fix-broken" ?
22:07<jochum>Ralphie57: i believe this way you need xrandr no more
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22:08<don>after completion scan lite says Failed to scan Unable to connect to scanner
22:08<Ralphie57>jochum, ok, I'm looking at it and will try
22:09<jochum>Ralphie57: been reading more carefully someone says It wont work on never versions of Ubuntu
22:10<don>I have used old inkjets for many differnt installs and had to fight them all themime to
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22:10<Ralphie57>jochum, I caught that, I found some other similar solution and will try it (fingers crossed)
22:11<jochum>Ralphie57: good luck
22:12<jochum>don: did you add the scanner as inkjet printer?
22:12<jochum>sorry smoking...
22:12<don>gscantopdf gives this message open of device hpaio:/usb/HP_ColorLaserJet_MFP_M182-M185?serial=VNB3M02296 failed: Error during device I/O
22:13<jochum>don: follow the tutorial and add it as network printer
22:13<don>No Color Laser
22:13<Ralphie57>jochum, thank you very much, I'll reboot now and test it.
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22:14<jochum>Ralphie57: fingers crossed
22:14<jochum>don: maybe remove (if you can) all printers
22:15*jochum never used a scanner on linux i'm used to scan-to-email at work
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22:15<don>which tutorial did you put up
22:16<jochum>https://www.systutorials.com/how-to-configure-scanner-in-a-hp-all-in-one-printer-on-linux/
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22:16<jochum>They use "JetDirect" for that
22:16<don>i have added it as a network before and it fails to let me print on this machine
22:16<jochum>Not sure it makes a difference, but MFP printers work for them.
22:17<jochum>maybe add both :)
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22:17<don>This machine is wired and it is hooked to the wifi router and is networked from there ot other machines
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22:19<don>first command dnf not found
22:19<don>what is that
22:20<Ralphie57>jochum: thanks for your help, it worked! with some lagging when starting the desktop, but at least it worked. xorg.conf was indeed the way to go (if you're interested this is the solution I followed https://askubuntu.com/a/1146521)
22:20<jochum>package manager of fedora
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22:20<jochum>Ralphie57: wonderfull!
22:20<don>ok will use apt
22:21<jochum>don: call "hp-setup"
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22:26<Sqrt{not}>don, the package name is libhpmud0 not liphpmud0
22:27<Sqrt{not}>don, also what is the error you see about broken packages not fixed?
22:27<jochum>Sqrt{not}: that should be fixed?
22:27<jochum>Sqrt{not}: maybe because of trying to install "hp-binaries"
22:27<Sqrt{not}>I don't know, what is the actual error?
22:28<jochum>Sqrt{not}: simplescan says "gscantopdf gives this message open of device hpaio:/usb/HP_ColorLaserJet_MFP_M182-M185?serial=VNB3M02296 failed: Error during device I/O"
22:28<jochum>I'm off, need sleep
22:29<Sqrt{not}>[19:05:35] <don> says there are some broken packages not fixed
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22:30<Sqrt{not}>deserved! enjoy
22:31<don>ok did that several ways no scanner found
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22:45<don>did that several ways more and still get scanner failed
22:45<don> of no scanner
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22:46<don>I deleted all printers and fax and did over still get same result
22:47<don>I loaded those broken packages seperately and got most to load
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22:49<don>I give up for the day./. enjoy
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23:26<magyar>hi, is there a way I can list which process is using a usb device?
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23:28<sussudio>magyar: maybe lsof?
23:30<magyar>sussudio: that worked, thank you
23:31<magyar>I tought fuser would do the same, but that doesn't work anylonger
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