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00:26<urk>test test test
00:27<urk>I am wondering if it is possible to hookup a desktop computer to my Dell XPS laptop so that I an see the contents on the desktop computer? It is an older system, and I need the data. Unfortunately I don't have a working monitor.
00:28<urk>Anyone home???
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00:32<jmcnaught>urk: if the desktop runs Debian and already has openssh-server installed then maybe you can boot it up on your LAN and ssh into it
00:34<urk>jmcnaught: I don't know if it has openssh-server on it. This system hasn't been run in at least 6 years.
00:34<urk>Is there a way to see the contents if I don't have openssh-server on it?
00:34<jmcnaught>urk: if not then probably your best options are 1. get a monitor or 2. extract the HDD or SSD from the desktop and put it in a USB enclosure
00:35<urk>I have a USB enclosure, but seem to recall the configuration on this laptop was pretty cumbersom, and had 4 smaller hard drives with partitions unevenly split across them.
00:36<urk>How would I boot this up on my LAN?
00:36<jmcnaught>I just mean boot it while connected to your LAN by ethernet cable.
00:37<urk>jmcnaught: Do you mean hookup the box to my laptop, and boot the laptop with the box turned on?
00:37<jmcnaught>no
00:37<urk>I am confused.
00:37<jmcnaught>How would you hook it up to your laptop? What cable would you use?
00:38<urk>HDMI?
00:38<urk>I would have to go and buy a cable.
00:38<jmcnaught>If you happened to have installed sshd on the old computer then turning it on without a display but still plugged into your router would mean that you could connect by ssh
00:39<urk>So just plug the old box into the router, and I should be able to ssh into it?
00:40<jmcnaught>*If* it already has an ssh server running on it, you're the only one who would know if it did.
00:41<urk>I don't know if it has that or not, and it was a very long time ago since I used this box.
00:41<urk>I guess I will find out tomorrow. Thanks for all of your help.
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02:55<azeem>anybody whether/how it is possible to pair a Logitech wireless usb mouse on Debian (buster for now)? I always have to boot a Windows VM and run some Logitech Windows utility when I replug the mouse after a longer time
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02:58<lucidogen>azeem, look for solaar https://pwr-solaar.github.io/Solaar/
03:00<themill>,i solaar
03:00<judd>Package solaar (misc, optional) in buster/amd64: Logitech Unifying Receiver peripherals manager for Linux. Version: 0.9.2+dfsg-9; Size: 94.1k; Installed: 420k; Homepage: http://pwr.github.io/Solaar; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/solaar
03:00<themill>(that's what I use)
03:01<azeem>oh cool
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03:01<azeem>somehow I missed that when I last looked, thanks
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03:02<themill>np
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03:03<themill>(and that Homepage URL in buster is wrong… why do we keep storing that stuff in the package in a way we can't update)
03:03<themill>, i solaar sid
03:03<judd>Package solaar (misc, optional) in sid/amd64: Logitech Unifying Receiver peripherals manager for Linux. Version: 1.0.4+dfsg-1; Size: 163.5k; Installed: 862k; Homepage: https://pwr-solaar.github.io/Solaar/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/solaar
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03:10<jm_>glad my keyboard does not need that ;)
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03:25<azeem>hrm, buster threw a backtrace, I've installed the bullseye version now which only seems to diplay the nano receiver if I start it as root (although my user is in the plugdev group); in any case, it does not seem to recognize my mouse (question mark, keyboard symbol) and I can neither unpair it (greyed out) nor pair a new one (weird "the pairing lock did not open" error)
03:25<azeem>ah it might be that:
03:25<azeem>Solaar depends on a udev file that is not present
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05:09<StarOnD>Hello everyone, is this >>> https://github.com/jgm/citeproc <<< package available for Debian ?
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05:12<jm_>looks like it is https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=cite&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all
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05:14<azeem>that lbghc-citeproc-hs-* package (i) is only in jessie and (ii) seems to be a different codebase, or is there some other package?
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05:16<jm_>I was thinking of libghc-pandoc-citeproc-dev but looking at versions it seems to be a different beast, so yeah maybe not
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05:18<azeem>jm_: that seems to be some pandoc integration on top, yeah
05:22<StarOnD>azeem and jm_ : it is the *latest* citeproc for pandoc
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05:23<azeem>ah ok
05:24<StarOnD>azeem, I think I will have to the run it's Makefile and compile it.
05:24<azeem>looks like, yeah
05:24<azeem>you can try to file an RFP bug and see whether somebody picks it up
05:24<azeem>!rfp
05:24<dpkg>Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, a RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>. The best way of getting software packaged is to do it yourself: ask me about <nmg>.
05:25<StarOnD>azeem : thanks.
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05:30<StarOnD>azeem, How can I check the latest version of pandoc available for Debian? When I do `sudo apt install pandoc` I get an OLD version of pandoc.
05:30<azeem>,pandoc
05:30<azeem>hrm
05:30<azeem>,i pandoc
05:30<judd>Package pandoc (text, optional) in buster/amd64: general markup converter. Version: 2.2.1-3+b2; Size: 14380.7k; Installed: 113143k; Homepage: https://pandoc.org/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/pandoc
05:31<StarOnD>2.2.1 is REALLY old.
05:32<StarOnD>2.14.1 is the latest
05:32<azeem>it's about three years old, which is in-line with the buster release cycle I guess
05:32<StarOnD>azeem, ok
05:33<azeem>bullseye will be release soon and ships 2.9.2, which is from early 2020
05:33<azeem>not great, but
05:34<azeem>anything missing for you? I've never had a problem with buster's pandoc I think
05:34<StarOnD>I need to use citeproc
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05:37<StarOnD>azeem, sorry bad internet here
05:38<azeem>I didn't say anything else; I have to admit I don't know citeproc/don't use padoc for citations
05:39<StarOnD>azeem, ok thanks.
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06:49<judd>Package: mongodb on amd64 -- jessie: 1:2.4.10-5+deb8u1; stretch: 1:3.2.11-2+deb9u1
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06:56<RoyK>quick question - using ufw comments - where are hese stored? /etc/ufw/user.rules:### tuple ### allow any any 5.6.7.8 any 1.2.3.4 in comment=54657374696e67204f6e652054776f2058595a
06:56<RoyK>that's not my comment ;)
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09:18<rajulocal>Is there a note taking application (similar to knotes) that supports strikethrough text?
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09:29<pert>rajulocal: GNOME Notes, a.k.a. Bijiben, seems to support it
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09:42<FLHerne>rajulocal: KNotes supports strikethrough text
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09:44<FLHerne>https://www.flherne.uk/files/knotes-strikethrough.png
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09:56<rajulocal>FLHerne: I did not know knotes supports strikethrough. Your screenshot looks different than mine. For example, it shows icons for bold, italic, strikethrough etc., Mine does not. Let me check if there is an option to enable that.
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09:58<rajulocal>Figured it out... I should enable the "Rich text" option in Preferences -> Editor Settings.
09:59<rajulocal>Now I can strikethrough the text. Thanks so much.
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10:02<FLHerne>Great :-)
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11:10<Fraggle2>I try to connect a xbox wireless controller. connected status in bluetoothctl permanently switches between "yes" and "no".
11:11<Fraggle2>it works on an android tv device
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11:12<debian-unknown>hi, i was wondering, how could i run the command 'inxi' in /etc/motd, so when i login and /etc/motd is sent, it includes inxi in the motd?
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11:13<Fraggle2>hm, seems related to something called ertm
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11:20<imMute>debian-unknown: scripts in /etc/update-motd.d will be run just before showing the user the motd when logging in.
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11:23<debian-unknown>okay 10-uname is in there
11:23<debian-unknown>that is displaying the command at the top of the motd, how do i display after the motd is sent?
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11:24<imMute>I don't know if you can send after the /etc/motd itself.
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11:56<refried_consult>i have got debian with gnome installed. how do i send a file to a connected bluetooth device?
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11:58<grawity>I've no idea if GNOME even supports this anymore, it might be in Settings>Bluetooth under the device's info?
11:58<refried_consult>gnome settings lists the partner as conncted
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11:58<grawity>actually IIRC the info dialog had a button to send a file
11:59<grawity>there are some terminal-based tools for this, though (the file-sending mechanism is "OBEX push", and there's a related "OBEX FTP" for browsing/managing files)
11:59<refried_consult>it just say yes paired and gives an option to disconnect
12:00<grawity>what kind of device is it, and are you sure it supports receiving obex-push
12:00<refried_consult>any (non gnome is ok) gui in debian for this? its a phone
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12:01<grawity>not all phones are equal, Android should support it, but doubt regarding iOS... check if Blueman has a GUI for this
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12:05<refried_consult>there is blueman-sendto.. fails though
12:07<grawity>then I'm really suspecting the phone doesn't offer obex
12:09<grawity>either that, or the computer needs to be a higher level of "trusted" from the phone's side
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12:11<refried_consult>am i right i assuming that bluetoooth is treated as outdated and not really the focus anymore?
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12:13<grawity>outside of audio, yes, I think that's very much the case
12:14<grawity>e.g. GNOME dropped OBEX FTP support in 2015
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12:14<Guest1920>is this everyone doing the resit?
12:14<grawity>PAN networking never worked sensibly
12:15<grawity>oh right I guess you still have HID for mice and RFCOMM for some odd serial-port device, those still work
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13:11<Lonnon>why does this exist
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13:13<amacater>Lonnon - why does _what_ exist?
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13:17<grove>amacater: He left right right after askimg - but I would also like to know
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15:11<Kolusion>I reckon Debian GNU/Linux should drop the 'GNU' from it's name because GNU doesn't recognise it as a GNU operating system. Who agrees?
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15:13<sney>regardless of what gnu thinks, debian still uses gnu libc and gnu userland. it's an accurate description of the core software in the OS.
15:13<jochum>yeah
15:13<sney>binaries are built with gcc, too
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15:15<Kolusion>sney, if it went by that logic, as Debian uses GNOME as well, it would be called 'Debian GNU/Linux/GNOME', yet its not called that.
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15:16<sney>no, gnome is not a core piece of the OS, it is an optional desktop environment
15:16<jochum>Kolusion: Linux is the Kernel, gnu is the most part of the OS
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15:16<Kolusion>sney: Of course it is. You login and boom, you are in GNOME. It can't get anymore to the core than that.
15:17<jochum>Kolusion: people call it "Debian GNU/Linux with the Gnome Desktop"
15:17<sney>ah I see, trolling
15:17<sney>!ops see above
15:17<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: sney complains about a problem (see above)
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15:17<Kolusion>jochum: Linux can start without GNU, GNU can't start without Linux. Seems Linux is the most part to me.
15:18<Kolusion>jochum: There is no where on Debian's website that refers to it as 'Debian GNU/Linux with the Gnome Desktop' only 'Debian GNU/Linux'.
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15:18<jochum>sney: how have you been today? :)
15:18<Kolusion>sney: If you think someone with a different view of yours is a troll then I take it you have a hard time making friends in life.
15:19<mentor>Kolusion: Is this your only Debian related query today?
15:19<Kolusion>mentor: I don't have any queries. I have came to chat.
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15:20<mentor>Kolusion: This is a technical and support channel, pleas keep to that.
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15:21<Kolusion>O I see. Which chat room is for discussing Debian in general?
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15:22<MsUser>Hello. I have a 64 bit laptop with one system and a SSD with another system. I need to use a system which is on SSD. Is it possible to corrupt laptop's system while running SSD's system?
15:23<enigma9o7>huh
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15:23<enigma9o7>Sure its possible I guess if you try hard enough and use the right software.
15:23<enigma9o7>But I think you may need to rephrase the question.
15:24<mentor>MsUser: Yes, but Debian won't go accessing other data unless you really tellit to
15:24<Kolusion>mentor: ?
15:24<christine>Choupex22
15:24<vv221>christine, you missed a /nick before that ;)
15:25<enigma9o7>Oh wait I understand. Yes, it is possible to do so.
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15:25<enigma9o7>Just mount the drive from the other OS and delete some important files.
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15:25<enigma9o7>That'd be corrupt, no?
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15:26<enigma9o7>[I believe you were saying you have a 64-laptop with one OS on spinning disk and another OS on SSD, and you want to know if you can courrpt the OS on the spinning disk when you boot the OS on the SSD, right?]
15:27<enigma9o7>anyway should be no problem
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15:28<MsUser>One OS on internal disk (disk inside laptop), another OS on external disk (disk outside of laptop).
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15:29<mentor>MsUser: Internal/external location doesn't really matter to Debian
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15:29<Sqrt{not}>MsUser, what is the OS on each of those ?
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15:31<jochum>Lots of helpfull people in here :)
15:31<Kolusion>jochum: Thanks mate!
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15:32<MsUser>If one of disks have Debian and risks exist, that matter. Thanks.
15:33<Sqrt{not}>MsUser, in general, any OS should be able to read/write any storage connected to the computer where it is running.
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15:35<Sqrt{not}>MsUser, some OSes are more careful and polite than others. Windows sometimes writes on other OS's storage without asking or telling you. Linux will generally ask and tell
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15:37<Sqrt{not}>MsUser, please don't PM to me. keep all discussion in the main channel.
15:38<Sqrt{not}>MsUser, and I don't know anything about either of those names you mention -- I assume the are different specialty OSes, but I don't know them.
15:40<Sqrt{not}>MsUser, the risks in linux are entirely under the control of the logged in user. If the user wants to change the other disk, they probably can, especially if they have root permission
15:41<MsUser>I need just run SSD as a separate computer and keep my laptop safe.
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16:00<gnomon>Ahoy! Is there anyone in here involved with running the Partners program who might have a few minutes to chat?
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16:09<trench>MsUser: then get a usb3 or usb-c enclosure to put the disk in?
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16:22<enigma9o7>@MsUser In general, you're fine. If you boot debian from external drive, which could be USB SD, esata SSD, etc, none of the matters, once booted, it wont mess with your other drive/paritions unless you mount them and tell it to.
16:23<enigma9o7>Just like booting any "live" linux from iso.... doesnt mess with the internal drive at all until you tell it to install....
16:24<enigma9o7>@MsUser I also see private message "How to run SSD". SSD means solid state disk. I dunno what you eman about run it.
16:25<enigma9o7>Its a type of hard drive, used to store files/etc.
16:26<enigma9o7>You use it like any other hard drive, ones physically attached, mounted, and formatted, it behaves the same as spinning disk.
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16:29<sarnold>only much much nicer ;)
16:30<MsUser>How to access system, which is on the SSD? I don't know how to make or use live usb. And I don't know how to access system that is already installed on a SSD for me by a programmer.
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16:35<enigma9o7>MsUser, it sounds like you need a little support, perhaps in your first language? But, to access the system that was already installed on SSD, perhaps you have to tell your computer to boot it?
16:35<enigma9o7>maybe he set it up without a grub/etc type boot menu, and expects you to select the boot device from bios
16:36<enigma9o7>in that case, its your computer itself, maybe F11 or F2 or Del or something, lets you select a boot device, and then you select that SSD
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16:38<enigma9o7>To clarify what I tried to say, before your computer boots an operating system from a drive, it runs its built in operating system (bios) which is what tells it what drive to try to boot. Usually computers come set up to boot from their first hard drive, but by changing BIOS settings, you can boot from another drive, from usb, etc.
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16:45<amacater>msuser - A silly question: Someone else has already set the computer up for you. It is running Linux. What do you see. Is it asking you for a user name or password? Is it that you don't know what that is?
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17:00<MsUser>Enigma9o7, thank you. Amacater, I see only laptop's system. And don't know what to press. Computer immediately runs own system without asking to run SSD's system.
17:02<enigma9o7>You gotta press F2/F8/F11/Del at the exact right time.
17:02<enigma9o7>To get into BIOS settings.
17:02<enigma9o7>This depends on your computer itself, search your model number and "bios settings" or something and find the key
17:02<enigma9o7>but just jam on those keys until it starts to boot
17:02<enigma9o7>if you dont get a menu, you hit the wrong key at the wrong time
17:03<enigma9o7>if its Grub, it could be Esc too
17:03<enigma9o7>like, after bios starts, you hit Esc to pull up grub menu
17:03<enigma9o7>afterbios starts booting a drive i mean
17:03<enigma9o7>you hit Esc in the first few seconds to get grub menu
17:03<enigma9o7>but since someone set it up for you, can you not contact them?
17:04<amacater>On a lot of systems it's the Del key - other Function keys vary between laptops. Google for your laptop model and "How to get into BIOS@ or how to switch boot device
17:04<amacater>How to get into BIOS
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17:13<MsUser>What if I'll hit the wrong key at the wrong time? What problems can be after that?
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17:15<sney>you might get to an efi prompt, but it's more likely that nothing will happen and it'll just continue booting
17:15<Sqrt{not}>MsUser, search on the internet for information about whatever this laptop is. the company that made it should have some web pages explaining what key to press to get into the setup.
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17:19<Sqrt{not}>MsUser, maybe here: https://support.endlessos.org/en/home
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17:19<Sqrt{not}>and replace the "en" with another language code if you prefer another language
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20:31<elliot1>sney: hey, so my bug still hasn't been marked as reported nor have I gotten any acknowledgement email, is there anything else I can try?
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20:34<sney>elliot1: I'm out of ideas, but maybe someone else will come along who has an idea
20:35<elliot1>okay, thanks, didn't mean to bother you or anything
20:36<sney>it's alright, I don't mind answering simple questions. it's an odd situation that I haven't seen before - reportbug connected to smtp.debian.org, sent the mail, and it still disappeared? very unusual
20:37<elliot1>yeah
20:39<sney>it *may* be worth asking in the #debian-bugs channel, it is not a place to report bugs but a lot of package maintainers and people otherwise familiar with the BTS idle there, so one of them may know what you should try
20:41<sarnold>can you check your smtp server logs?
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20:44<elliot1>sarnold: no, I can't, also I haven
20:44<elliot1>sorry cut my message off
20:44<elliot1>I haven't had problems with sending mail before
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20:47<elliot1>would there be anyone who could check from the server side to see what happened?
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20:48<teo7>hi, i'm testing Debian bullsay RC, with xfce desktop. I love both Debian and the desktop, the only thing I expected was the inclusion of the gvfs-backends package in the core packages. This is because otherwise, by inserting Android phones, they are not read. Are you planning to include this package by default in the near future? This is very important to me..
20:48<sarnold>elliot1: i can't promise anything but I wouldn't be surprised if someone in #debian-bugs would be able to, yeah
20:49<elliot1>sarnold: okay thanks
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20:52<enigma9o7>No teo7, but you can install it yourself very easily with a magical tool call "advanvaced package tool"
20:53<sney>teo7: interesting, it's a depend or recommend with the other gtk desktops, but in your case it's only suggested by thunar
20:53<sarnold>xfce folks probably wanted to keep the size down
20:53<sarnold>just install it if you want it
20:54<sney>yeah, it does bring in a lot of other stuff. that's probably why.
20:54<enigma9o7>I messed up the name too.
20:54<enigma9o7>Try --no-install-reccomends
20:54<sney>!why recommends
20:54<dpkg>From Debian 5.0 "Lenny" onwards, apt-get and aptitude both install "Recommended" packages by default. From <policy> section 7.2, Recommends, "declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations." You're not that unusual, trust us. By not installing "recommended" packages you will be missing functionality.
20:54<sney>besides, using that switch would not affect a suggested package either way
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20:57<sney>teo7: it may be useful to report a bug against thunar requesting a way to have plug-and-play functionality with android devices, if gvfs is too big and depends on too much gnome stuff, maybe they have another option? it does seem like a pretty standard functionality and the other desktops generally support it
20:59<enigma9o7>whatever that gvfs-backends is, its not very important, i dont have it installed
21:00<sney>congrats
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21:16<enigma9o7>and the reason it probably has so many dependencies is its meant for gnome, not xfce
21:16<enigma9o7>probably
21:16<enigma9o7>but i dunno what im talkin gabout usually
21:17<enigma9o7>It doesnt seem excessive to me.
21:17<enigma9o7>gvfs-backends libgdata-common libgdata22 libgoa-1.0-0b libgoa-1.0-common
21:17<enigma9o7> libgphoto2-6 libgphoto2-l10n libgphoto2-port12 libmtp-common libmtp-runtime
21:17<enigma9o7> libmtp9 libnfs13
21:17<enigma9o7>0 upgraded, 12 newly installed, 0 to remove and 307 not upgraded.
21:17<enigma9o7>Need to get 2,897 kB of archives.
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22:45<tp43_>I can not upgrade jessie->stretch->buster
22:46<tp43_>How do I see my kernel version? I installed linux-image-4.19, but when I do uname -a I still see 2.6.32
22:48<jmcnaught>tp43_: is it a VPS? jessie used kernel 3.16.
22:49<tp43_>jmcnaught, yes
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22:50<jmcnaught>tp43_: some kinds of VPS do not allow you to use your own kernel because it is really just a container running under the host's kernel.
22:51<tp43_>so my kernel is 2.6.32?
22:52<jmcnaught>tp43_: you may need to contact your ISP about moving your VPS to a server that has a newer kernel
22:52<raven523>if it's an openvz vps then you can't change kernels
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22:52<jmcnaught>tp43_: glibc in buster requires kernel 3.2 or higher: https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#glibc-and-linux
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22:53<tp43_>Is there any point to upgrade jessie to stretch?
22:53<tp43_>raven523, yeah it is. oh I see.
22:53<Sqrt{not}>tp43 that kernel is not even jessie
22:54<Sqrt{not}>,kernels
22:54<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.10.0-8-686 (5.10.46-2); bullseye: 5.10.0-8-686 (5.10.46-2); buster-backports: 5.10.0-0.bpo.7-686-pae (5.10.40-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-17-686-pae (4.19.194-3); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.17-686-pae (4.19.194-3~deb9u1); jessie-backports:
22:54<judd>4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1)
22:54<jmcnaught>jessie had 3.16
22:55<tp43_>Why is my jessie 2.6?
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22:57<jmcnaught>tp43_: because you as a user of your VPS do not have control over the kernel, your VPS is using the hosting provider's kernel.
22:57<tp43_>jmcnaught, thx
22:58<tp43_>I wrote a request ticket to get buster on there.
22:59<tp43_>What about KVM VPS. Allows kernel upgrading?
22:59<jmcnaught>Usually but check with the ISP before you buy.
23:01<lhvf>Hello Everyone! By following here: → < https://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/2021/07/23 >, I can advertise that the Linux Kernel `2.6.32` would be equivalent to have the old (Obsolete) Debian 6.x.y (codenamed `Squeeze`). Reference webpage:< https://wiki.debian.org/LTS >.
23:03<raven523>tp43_: they usually do
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23:07<lhvf>The Kernel `2.6.32` was LTS (as all Kernels adopted by Debian Project are). Another useful link: → < https://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze > ( • kernel : linux 2.6.32 ) .
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23:10<lhvf>See also this (< https://web.archive.org/web/20160219023915/https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html > (`Longterm release kernels`).
23:10<tp43_>What is LTS?
23:10<tp43_>raven523, thx
23:11<tp43_>long term release
23:11<lhvf>Long Term Support: < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_support >.
23:12<tp43_>Is it worth it to upgrade jessie to stretch even though the kernel can't change?
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23:18<lhvf>tp43_: Do you only can upgrade from for example: A version (e.g. 8.x.y.→ to the Next Stable in releases sequence → 9.x.y ). You cannot 'Jump' from Debian six (`Squeeze` codenamed ): (6.0 → Kernel LTS `2.6.32`) to the next above (e.g. Next Stable → 7.x.y) and thus from Debian 6 to the Debian 8 (`Jessie` codenamed) -- (without passing into 7.x.y -- (codenamed `Wheezy`). This situation also occurs to Ubuntu.
23:19<Sqrt{not}>tp43_, what is the actual kernel version there? : uname -v
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23:21<tp43_>lhvf, thx. I did not realize I was doing that. So it goes jessie->wheezy->stretch->buster. I did think of wheezy
23:22<tp43_>oh wait, does it go wheezy->jessie->stretch because jessie is version 8. stretch 9. buster 10.
23:23<tp43_>#1 SMP Thu Jun 11 14:05:04 MSK 2020
23:23<tp43_>Sqrt{not}, #1 SMP Thu Jun 11 14:05:04 MSK 2020. -a 2.6.32-042stab145.3 #1 SMP Thu Jun 11 14:05:04 MSK 2020 x86_64 GNU/Linux
23:23<lhvf>tp43_: Then your Linux Kernel should be then: `3.2.x.y`. Or it Kernel isn't 'exact this' in your side?
23:24<Sqrt{not}>tp43_, those are not debian-made kernels
23:24<tp43_>it is ISP openvps kernels
23:26<Sqrt{not}>I think it is probably not very accurate to think that VPS is actually "Jessie" or "Squeeze". it is something your VPS people made themselves
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23:27<tp43_>Hopefully they can easily create the images they use and they post Buster
23:27<tp43_>Or else I will have to buy KVM VPS
23:28<Sqrt{not}>Is this Amazon MSK?
23:29<tp43_>securedragon.net
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23:31<lhvf>This other ('Super User' : Asks and answers techinical questions) is useful anyway: → < https://superuser.com/questions/666323/what-version-is-my-vps > !?
23:36<lhvf>[...] technical [...].
23:36<lhvf>'Super User': A Big Technical Portal for questions and answers for Technology subjects.
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23:46<lhvf>tp43_: What do you see with : ` lsb_release -a ` (or ` lsb_release --all `) (without the back accent ( ` ) ).
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23:46<lhvf>?
23:50<Sqrt{not}>tp43_, like raven523 said, you can't install your own kernel on openvz. they have their own menu of allowed OS versions: https://securedragon.net/clients/index.php?rp=/knowledgebase/66/HOW-TO-Changing-your-OS-for-OpenVZ.html
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23:57<lhvf>tp43_: It's definitely a different stuff of things..
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