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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-07-27

---Logopened Tue Jul 27 00:00:28 2021
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01:31<urk>How do I find out the host IP address as listed in the following step after "Host to Connect via SSH". I don't know if OpenSSH is installed on the machine I am trying to connect to, but would be surprised if it isn't.
01:31<urk>https://phoenixnap.com/kb/ssh-to-connect-to-remote-server-linux-or-windows
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01:41<urk>I got as far as looking up my ip address of my host machine, and attempted to use the command ssh pdq@192.168.0.10, and this was after determining the ip might be 192.168.0.10/24, but my password is no longer recognized. What do I do?
01:42<urk>Its getting late, and I need some sleep. Please memo serve me if you have something profound to say.
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02:45<z386>sup guys, gday! anyone familiar with snap here?
02:46<gry>probably. why?
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02:48<z386>i have a debian respin i use, and its a live distro, which has a pxe server that serves itself through it using ipxe and nfs
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02:49<z386>thing is, the client booting from the network, has a / mounted as overlay
02:50<z386>and with docker i can change systemd's init file and add --storagedriver option so that i can use a device manager method to mount container images
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02:50<z386>and it works like a charm, i was wondering if snapd or snap would also have such or similar option
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03:01<z386>does anyone knows if its possible to disable somehow apparmor for a snap app?
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06:05<vv221>RoyK, experimental is not a real branch, it’s more of a "staging area" to push things that are not ready for Sid yet.
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06:05<vv221>It sees more packages than usual during freezes.
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06:07<jochum>vv221: do you know is there a requirement for a package (except security) to run through experimental?
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06:07<vv221>Not that I know of, I would guess that it is a maintainer choice.
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06:08<RoyK>vv221: I see - so something like SidOnBadWhiskeyAndDrugs?
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06:08<vv221>Not really, unlike Sid you can not build a full system from experimental ;) There are only a couple packages in there.
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06:09<jochum>vv221: good to know, thanks
06:09<vv221>I guess the main difference is that you can expect Sid packages to work, while you should expect experimental ones to be broken.
06:09<vv221>(even if they actually are not that broken most of the time)
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07:52<wwilliam>what is the file the system reads to let you know you have updates available? in other systems is this:
07:53<wwilliam> /var/lib/update-notifier/updates-available
07:54<vv221[BI]>It depends on the tool you use for updates checking. Here my custom tool parses the output of `apt list --upgradable`.
07:54<wwilliam>Yes what is the file that command reads?
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07:56<vv221[BI]>It seems to read a lot of files under /var/lib/apt/lists/
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07:57<wwilliam>Well may be that but there is a specific file that contains the updates available.
07:58<vv221[BI]>Not that I know of, at least on my system.
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07:59<vv221[BI]>I don't think apt would bother parsing the full index of avialable packages in repositories if it had the info readily available in a convenient file ;)
08:00<towo`>strace apt list --upgradable
08:00<towo`>then you see, how it works
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08:02<vv221[BI]>towo`, that's what I did ;) It seems to check the content of /var/lib/dpkg/status, then compare that with the index under /var/lib/apt/lists/
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08:02<towo`>vv221[BI], my hint was going to wwilliam
08:03<wwilliam>Thanks towo`
08:03<jm_>makes perfect sense, no? you take a list of available packages, then compare it to installed packages → suddenly you know there's something new
08:03<towo`>especialy to knock im, that apt is not using one singe file, where the available updates are
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09:21<Catoptromancy>heh
09:21<Catoptromancy>+static const int lockfullscreen = 1; /* 1 will force focus on the fullscreen window */
09:21<Catoptromancy>think i found the problem
09:22<Catoptromancy>gotta build it though, easy enough
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09:25<Catoptromancy>working so far
09:26<Catoptromancy>https://git.suckless.org/dwm/commit/138b405f0c8aa24d8a040cc1a1cf6e3eb5a0ebc7.html
09:27<Catoptromancy>i guess doom ports use fakefullscreen
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11:31<jenn83>im geting bad sl clien auth. oh well.
11:31<jenn83>i would ask in the room but i am afraid. if the ghost in my machine may have followed me.
11:32<jenn83>you have no idea how uptight this mladen guyis.
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11:33<jenn83>shit
11:33<jenn83>hey mladen is your here. i will wipe this, and then you will not be aghost in my box. you AH
11:34<jenn83>so go ahead. do some damage. you can only do just a little . hahaaa
11:35<petn-randall>Hi jenn83, do you have a Debian support question?
11:35<jenn83>exuse me people but there are 3 ghost in. YES
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11:35<jenn83>i need to know who to get in a https site using chromium
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11:36<jenn83>there are 3 people not authorized in this machine. and is there anyway i can get in chrome isn't letting me. nor chormium
11:36<jenn83>or edge on windows.
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11:36<petn-randall>jenn83: Are you a bot? None of those words make sense to me.
11:37<jenn83>err. NO i will type the error OK
11:37<jenn83>ok
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11:37<jenn83>ERR_BAD_SSL_CLIENT_AUTH_CERT
11:37<jenn83>i am the admin.
11:37<petn-randall>!ask
11:37<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
11:37<jenn83>i just don't do certificates
11:37<jenn83>hi dpkg.
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11:38<jenn83>can anyone help?
11:38<petn-randall>jenn83: Try following the factoid above as a guideline. ^^^
11:38<jenn83>ok
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11:38<jenn83>let me .see ok. debian buster.
11:38<jenn83>let me get the rest of the information
11:39<jenn83>the browser is just spinning
11:39<jenn83>its chromium. isn't that the equivalent of chrome?
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11:40<petn-randall>No, it's not the same. But Chrome's FOSS components are derived from Chromium.
11:40<jenn83>well it just says times out.
11:40<jenn83>hmmm
11:41<jenn83>i will think about this. hmmmm
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11:41<petn-randall>jenn83: If the website times out, then you need to ask the website's administrator why it's not working. Or your network is misconfigured. But in that case you shouldn't be able to chat with us.
11:41<jenn83>i am the admin. this is a stand alone server.
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11:42<jenn83>and i don't want to have to start over and reconfigure the proxy it takes me 35 minutes.
11:42<jenn83>a real pain.
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11:43<jenn83>you do knowhow much work that is. and 3 people from pure OS are in this machine , keeping logs. i have the machinebut they aer in IT.
11:43<petn-randall>Ah, *you're* running the web server. That's crucial information you should have started with.
11:43<jenn83>oh.
11:44<jenn83>well i used to be with debian guys. and they are the best geeks to know in my book.
11:44<jenn83>they taught me alot. but not how to make certificats.
11:45<jenn83>i missed that class.
11:45<jenn83>may battery. shoot.
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11:46<jenn83>anyway. i'm looking around now.
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12:24<mo1991>what is the correct way to restart the nvme driver? sudo modprobe -r nvme gives the error Module in use
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12:35<tizef>hi! I have a software that was installed on my debian << busybox >> and I don't know how does it came here... do you know if APT can inform on to what busybox is related with which soft ? or when and with who it has benn installed ?
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12:35<tizef>it's like I want to trace the coming on my system of Buxybox
12:37<petn-randall>mo1991: There's no way to "restart" a kernel driver. What problem are you trying to solve?
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12:39<petn-randall>tizef: You can use aptitude to look for reverse dependencies of busybox. There are probably several other ways, too.
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12:41<tristero>tizef: you might be able to find when it was installed by looking in /var/log/dpkg.log*. I usually find the real reverse depends on my system by trying to "apt-get remove" it and seeing what else would be removed.
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12:44<mo1991>petn-randall - I am trying to disable MSI for the bridge controlling my nvme drives (in order to disable MSI for the NVME devices). Reading up says this can be done via echo 0 > /sys/bus/pci/devices/$bridge/msi_bus this doesn't stick during reboot
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12:46<somiaj>mo1991: modifying sys at runtime isn't saved via reboot. You have to set the coressponding setting in /etc/sysctl.conf or /etc/sysctl.d/foo.conf
12:46<somiaj>mo1991: man sysctl.conf for more info
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12:49<somiaj>mo1991: you can also man sysctl (this can put the setting in a config file afiak)
12:49<mo1991>ok. also, I am trying to figure out what devices are behind what bridges. How do I do that in a way that makes sense. lspci -t doesn't make much sense to me.
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12:50<somiaj>that I'm unsure of
12:50<somiaj>though are you wanting to set msi_bus to 0 for all bridges or just a specific one?
12:51<gordreturns>are there channels for other languages than english?
12:52<somiaj>gordreturns: yes, what language would you like support in?
12:52<gordreturns>french
12:52<somiaj>!fr
12:52<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. - debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
12:52<gordreturns>merci :)
12:52<mo1991>somiaj - I am looking to disable msi for whatever bridge my nvme drives are behind.
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12:53<somiaj>gordreturns: #debian-quebec I think is more popular.
12:53<somiaj>mo1991: this is out of my experience, but to get it to be persistance at boot you need to add info to the configuration file.
12:53<gordreturns>somiaj: surprising, debian-fr has 3x the number of people
12:53<gordreturns>quebecers talk a lot huh
12:53<somiaj>gordreturns: ahh then nevermind me, I could be wrong.
12:53<mo1991>which the command echo 0 > /sys/bus/pci/devices/$bridge/msi_bus does, I'm just not sure where to put this command so that it loads before the bridge driver loads
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12:58<tizef>thanks petn-randall & tristero ! actually is there a life without Busybox ? it looks to be related with many system applications, right ? I mean I guess busy is on every Debians right?
12:59<somiaj>busybox -> Priority: optional -- though I think you want it for initramfs just in case
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13:00<Circuitsoft>Where can I download not-quite-latest versions of packages for Bullseye? I need grub-efi-amd64-signed 2.04-19
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13:01<somiaj>,v grub-efi-amd64-signed
13:01<judd>Package: grub-efi-amd64-signed on amd64 -- buster: 1+2.02+dfsg1+20+deb10u4; buster-security: 1+2.02+dfsg1+20+deb10u4; bullseye: 1+2.04+20; sid: 1+2.04+20
13:01<somiaj>Circuitsoft: you can try snapshot, though you should if possible always run the current version of packages due to security/bug fixes.
13:01<somiaj>!snapshot
13:01<dpkg>https://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. https://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412
13:01<Circuitsoft>Upgrading to 2.04-20 is the only change to my bootup that I can think of, that would've affected Windows Bitlocker. So, I want to temporarily downgrade it, in hopes to access the recovery key that I (stupidly) didn't print.
13:02<Circuitsoft>I wasn't aware of snapshot, that's perfect! Thank you!
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13:08<Sqrt{not}>tizef, busybox is the basis of the rescue shell available before the system fully loaded.
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13:12<vv221>tristero, tizef, the best way (in my opinion) to know why a package is installed on Debian is with: aptitude why $package
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13:13<vv221>This is the main reason I have aptitude installed on all my Debians ;)
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13:14<tizef>interesting
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13:18<tizef>I got my guilty, Plymouth !
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13:50<gordreturns>"aptitude: error while loading shared libraries: libboost_iostreams.so.1.67.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" nice package bro
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13:52<gordreturns>worked on my other Debian install. Yeah quite handy
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13:55<jmcnaught>gordreturns: what does "apt policy libboost-iostreams1.67.0 aptitude" say?
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13:58<vv221>Strange one, aptitude on Buster has a hard dependency on libboost-iostreams1.67.0
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13:58<bremner>dpkg -i at work?
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13:59<vv221>I would suspect a broken libboost-iostreams1.67.0 installation.
13:59<vv221>bremner, I hope no one has been using `dpkg -i` since we have `apt install /some/package.deb` ;)
13:59<vv221>(wishful thinking, I know)
14:00<bremner>vv221: I admire your optimism
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14:03<jochum>dpkg -i worldpeace
14:03<dpkg>package worldpeace is already installed
14:03<jhutchins>vv221: There are reasons for using it.
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14:05<vv221>jhutchins, I know, I do it regularly too ;)
14:06<vv221>But despite this ability being something apt has since its 1.0, it seems that a lot of Debian users are still not aware of it.
14:06<gordreturns>jmcnaught: https://paste.debian.net/1205779/
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14:08<jhutchins>vv221: Well, people are still doing cate | grep, so that's linux.
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14:09<gordreturns>jhutchins: guilty as changed
14:09<jmcnaught>gordreturns: does the file /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_iostreams.so.1.67.0 exist and have permissions "-rw-r--r-- 1 root root"?
14:09<gordreturns>actually I use silversearcher (ag) nowadays, but when on systems without it I use cat|grep
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14:13<gordreturns>jmcnaught: actually the package libboost-iostreams1.67 wasnt installed at all, when I got that error I manually apt installed it, made no difference. That file doesn't exist, even though according to apt-file it's supposed to be in that package
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14:13<gordreturns>This is a kinda old VM so I may have run some apt/dpkg commands which are no longer in my history
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14:14<gordreturns>(is that a thing? Does Debian recycle old history entries?)
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14:14<bremner>try debsums libboost-iostreams1.67
14:14<bremner>after install debsums, I guess
14:15<_234>!wwbr
14:15<dpkg>Debian "Bullseye" is the current testing branch as of 2019-07-06 and it will be released "when it's ready." Release day we're working to currently - as discussed in various mailing lists is August 14th 2021. There's a hard freeze from July 17th with only the most urgent security fixes after that date. The main CD builder died - all disks failed at once, so the current target is August 14th, or even later.
14:15<gordreturns>oh, I think I know what it is. When I apt install, I get tons of package warnings: "dpkg: warning: files list file for package 'fonts-smc' missing; assuming package has no files currently installed". For tons of package. Stems from when I tried to remove java by doing "apt remove java*" or something like this.
14:15<_234>wow..all disks failed at once?!?
14:16<gordreturns>but those warnings include some boost packages
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14:17<gordreturns>debsums: package libboost-iostreams1.67 is not installed . But "sudo apt install libboost-iostreams1.67" gives "libboost-iostreams1.67.0 is already the newest version (1.67.0-13+deb10u1)."
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14:19<jmcnaught>It sounds like you are missing files in /var/ and /usr/ is it possible that you deleted files manually (without apt/dpkg)?
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14:26<gordreturns>don't think so. I just remember trying to purge java. There's nothing about java in my history now so I wouldnt know what I did.
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14:26<gordreturns>Anyway it's just a VM, I can just create a new one
14:26<gordreturns>appreciate trying to support me, but spend your time on someone who needs it :)
14:26<gordreturns>I did write down that "aptitude why" handy command
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14:27<gordreturns>I remember now...Debian desktops by default install that bloated unnecessary (to me) monstrosity LibreOffice and all the Java packages that come with it
14:27<gordreturns>looking forward for when Debian has a convenient minimal install option like Ubuntu (just texteditor, terminal, and Firefox)
14:28<bremner>it does
14:28<jmcnaught>"apt --installed rdepends foobar" does something similar to "aptitude why foo"
14:28<gordreturns>bremner: does it? In that case it's not made clear. I've installed Debian 3 times this week.
14:28<gordreturns>Which option is it?
14:28<sney>minimal install with a gui though?
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14:28<bremner>yeah, it's probably too minimal for gordreturns
14:28<gordreturns>yeah sorry I meant with a GUI
14:29<gordreturns>Basically I want a desktop, but not the 300MB (and longer installation time) of LibreOffice and Java
14:29<sney>if debian distributed something like that, it might fit on a single CD again
14:29<gordreturns>or music players
14:29<jmcnaught>libreoffice on Debian does not install java
14:29<bremner>well, you do get a choice of tasks to install. choose wisely
14:29<bremner>maybe use expert install?
14:30<gordreturns>bremner: IIRC it's "Debian Desktop" (what's that?), then a recognizable desktop like Plasma Desktop or XFCE Desktop, then "Standard System Utilities". They are all selectable.
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14:30<bremner>Debian Desktop is Gnome.
14:30<gordreturns>yikes
14:30<gordreturns>So why not say Gnome Desktop?
14:30<bremner>no idea
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14:31<jmcnaught>I think it is so that users who want a desktop but don't know what any of them are will get GNOME
14:31<gordreturns>or "Debian Default Desktop (Gnome Desktop)" if it's a user-friendliness thing...
14:31<sney>debian desktop is task-desktop, and gnome is the first dependency in the list of Recommends: task-gnome-desktop | task-xfce-desktop | task-kde-desktop | task-lxde-desktop | task-gnome-flashback-desktop | task-cinnamon-desktop | task-mate-desktop | task-lxqt-desktop
14:32<gordreturns>well good to know, I learned another new thing
14:32<gordreturns>My plan for minimal desktop was not installing any, then using "apt show task-xfce-desktop" , then ignoring the useless ones like libreoffice, hunspell, etc
14:33<gordreturns>but it would be really convenient if there was an explicit installer option
14:33<bremner>there is no "minimal gui" that will satisfy everyone.
14:34<gordreturns>so how come the distro considered most user-friendly, Ubuntu, manage it? I think they have some good ideas that should be copied
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14:34<gordreturns>they're paying for UI experts and whatnot. Who says Debian can't take their good ideas?
14:34<bremner>because their idea happens to match yours, but would not work e.g. for me
14:34*bremner out
14:35<gordreturns>ah, but you're simply free to not install it. People like you use the barebones netinstall I presume.
14:35<gordreturns>the people who need help are the average desktop users, not experts
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14:36<sney>I think it's worth exploring, maybe send an email to debian-boot@lists.debian.org (installer team) with your ideas.
14:37<sney>*particularly* since the size of all that desktop suite stuff means debian can't fit a desktop on a single CD anymore, but maybe they could if it was just barebones gnome with a browser
14:37<gordreturns>Is that the case for Debian 11? I'm still on 10, and debian-10.8.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso fits on 1 CD
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14:40<sney>I mean the gnome desktop, forgot about xfce
14:41<gordreturns>I avoid Gnome because I had a very bad experience on Ubuntu 20.04
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14:41<gordreturns>admittedly it wasn't a regular desktop, it was a system I left on for a month
14:42<gordreturns>but I came back to a system slowed to a crawl, with hundreds of errors per second in journalctl. All in Gnome files that are actually Javascript.
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14:42<gordreturns>idle CPU, idle disk (except some journalctl), tons of free RAM. Just hundreds of exceptions
14:43<gordreturns>after the 2nd time it happened, stopped using Gnome
14:44<sney>right, of course you can choose whatever you want
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14:44<sney>the minimal desktop task in debian would probably have to be gnome, but it's still a decent idea, so I still recommend sending that email
14:44<gordreturns>cool, will do.
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14:45<gordreturns>at the very least renaming "Debian Desktop" to "Default Debian Desktop (Gnome)" to give the user an idea of what it is
14:46<ansgar>sney: But do people still use CDs? :)
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14:46<gordreturns>ansgar has a point :)
14:46<sney>ansgar: sub-1G offline installer, you could say
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14:49<amacater>gordreturns - xfce CD is not being built for bullseye, no. It's _so_ hard to get things onto one CD image size and most people have a USB stick / can use netinst
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14:50<amacater>And yes, some people still burn CDs / DVDs. [I notice that Rockylinux DVD is now close to 9G :( - at least ours fit media ]
14:51<gordreturns>amacater: I havent used a CD since 2011...when I installed Windows on the gaming PC I assembled. Recently I found my high school DVD-Rs full of old 480p movies and TV, used an external DVD reader to salvage what's useful, then recycled it all :/
14:51<sney>gordreturns: also, I think it's pretty clear here that "debian desktop environment" is the top-level category and the items under it are desktop options, https://i.ibb.co/KW82VnZ/image.png
14:51<sney>though maybe for clarity gnome should be pre-selected.
14:52<amacater>Just add somethiing in the release notes saying "if you install default desktop, you get Gnome3 - other desktops are readily available"
14:53<sney>release notes are great but if you can communicate it with 1 character on the installer screen, that's even better
14:53<gordreturns>sney: you're right I didn't remember it like this. What I seem to remember is Default Debian Desktop checked, and nothing else. Which is confusing.
14:54<gordreturns>err, Debian Desktop Environment
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14:54<sney>this is a buster netinst, I'm not aware of the other installers behaving differently, though it's true I don't use the other installers
14:54<gordreturns>but even XFCE will pull Libreoffice, and if you accept to add a network mirror, it will update all those packages which is very slow
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14:55<gordreturns>What I want is "let me install a basic GUI the fastest, then I can install extra software I need later".
14:55<sney>right, that's the topic of your email to debian-boot.
14:56<gordreturns>Also adding a network mirror forces an update which is slow. And you can't say "I want a network mirror, just dont do it now during installation". And if there's any network issues, it won't have ANY network in sources.list! You gotta add it manually.
14:56<amacater>So - uncheck the default and install whatever you want - or uncheck _everything_ and you end up with basic command line interface
14:57<amacater>gordreturns: On the other hand, adding a network mirror also forces that users get the latest updates at a very early stage of the install which is very good for security
14:58<amacater>If you _really_ don't want network activity, get someone else to make you a copy of the 16G USB stick image
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14:59<amacater>from which you can install most things
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15:13<vv221>gordreturns, if you have not fixed your libboost issue yet, try `apt install --reinstall the_libboost_package_name`
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15:31<kmf58>hi all
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15:31<kmf58>is there no shell in debian 10
15:31<kmf58>i look dont find it
15:32<amacater>bash is installed by default
15:32<sarnold>where exactly are you looking?
15:32<kmf58>maybe it opens by a combo on the keyboard
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15:32<kmf58>on the descktop
15:32<jmcnaught>kmf58: maybe you are looking for a "terminal"?
15:32<amacater>Ah, you want a terminal window.
15:32<kmf58>yes
15:33<kmf58>for to update
15:33<amacater>If you're using Gnome, go to Activities and type term in the top search bar
15:33<kmf58>perfect thx a lot
15:33<amacater>No worries :)
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15:40<alex11>xD
15:41<alex11>i mean technically correct
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15:43<Bitwiser>kmf58 just use Ctrl-Alt-T. Usually a universal shortcut (on mjor Linux distros) for popping up a terminal emulator.
15:45<kmf58>exit
15:45<kmf58>lol
15:45<kmf58>wrong shell
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15:45<jmcnaught>Maybe not so universal, Ctrl+Alt+T does nothing on GNOME.
15:46<sarnold>I often see windows+space and windows+enter
15:47<Bitwiser>jmcnaught I have tried this on Ubuntu, GNOME 40, and it works. Surprising it doesn't work in your case o.O
15:47<kmf58>to exit i use exit them it exits root them exit again if nothing to do more in the shell
15:48<jmcnaught>Bitwiser: I just tried on GNOME 3.30 on Debian 10 and GNOME 3.38 on testing/bullseye
15:48<urk>Can someone walk me through the step "How to Connect via SSH" found in the following url https://phoenixnap.com/kb/ssh-to-connect-to-remote-server-linux-or-windows All other steps before that appear to be completed.
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15:52<sarnold>hah, and in urk's guide, there's a reference to ctrl + alt + t to start a terminal :)
15:53<jmcnaught>urk: you need openssh-client installed on the client computer, and openssh-server installed on the server that you want to connect to. Then from the client the command is "ssh serverhostname" where 'serverhostname' is replaced with the host name of the server, or its IP address
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15:53<urk>sarnold: Terminal has been up for awhile, and all of the other steps prior to the one mentioned earlier have already been completed. Everything is installed on my Dell XPS, but I don't know what is installed on the other machine.
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15:54<urk>jmcnaught: Is the host name referring to my laptop that I am connecting from? Or the box I am trying to connect to?
15:54<jmcnaught>urk: the box you are connecting too
15:55<urk>I don't know what the host name is of the box I an connecting to. How can I discover it?
15:55<jmcnaught>urk: how would the ssh command know what server to connect to unless you tell it? IP address can also be used.
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16:00<urk>jmcnaught: Is there a way to discover the IP of the computer next to me? Or its host name?
16:00<jmcnaught>urk: maybe using nmap you could discover at least the IP address of the computer.
16:01<jmcnaught>"nmap -sP 192.168.1.*"
16:01<grawity>couldn't you just walk to that other computer and look at its network status / `ip addr` / etc?
16:01<urk>ok. I'm installing nmap now
16:01<jmcnaught>If this is the same comptuer as the other night, it has no display.
16:01<urk>grawity: no monitor
16:02<sarnold>heh I use nmap to find my headless machine every few months
16:02<sarnold>nmap 192.168.0.0/24 -p 22 --open
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16:03<Bitwiser>urk: nmap won't be of much use unless the computer beside you is somehow connected to your computer (either by ethernet or a wireless network).
16:03<urk>Bitwiser: Computer alog side of me is connected to the same modem that I am using. WE are both hard wired.
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16:04<Bitwiser>Good. Try nmap then.
16:06<urk>Bitwiser: This is the results of nmap http://paste.debian.net/1205784/
16:06<TobiX>Good modem/router have a list of connected systems...
16:07<sarnold>urk: you scanned one machine with that command
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16:07<urk>sarnold: How do I scan the other machine?
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16:10<sarnold>urk: I use 192.168.0.0/24 to indicate to scan all machines in the 192.168.0.* network -- I know that's the range that my dhcp server hands out
16:11<urk>thanks
16:11<Bitwiser>urk: Yup, you need to scan all the machines in that subnet...
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16:12<urk>http://paste.debian.net/1205787/
16:13<urk>Looks like the IP is 192.168.0.10
16:13<urk>The other machine has a Gigabyte motherboard
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16:40<r4fkramer>Hi All. Please, I would like to know if there are security implementations currently developed in C++ in the Linux Kernel used by the Debian Project, which could be redefined in Rust in the near future, or if there is something in sight for Debian Bullseye.
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16:43<sarnold>± find . -name '*.cc'
16:43<sarnold>./scripts/kconfig/qconf.cc
16:43<sarnold>r4fkramer: ^^ there's one c++ source file in my kernel git tree
16:43<sarnold>r4fkramer: and since it's in scripts/ it's not going to be part of the built kernel
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16:44<r4fkramer>Fine sarnold, thank you for answering me :)
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16:45<petn-randall>r4fkramer: The linux kernel is written in C, so your question doesn't apply.
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16:48<r4fkramer>I know about it, petn-randall. My doubt is about the possibility of any implementation in Rust that can replace those currently made in C and C++.
16:48<r4fkramer>I read articles in which this possibility beckons in Android and Microsoft environment. I was naturally led to have this doubt about Linux, precisely because it is basically written in C and C++...
16:49<petn-randall>r4fkramer: I fail to understand your question. C and Rust are different programming languages, so if you want to compile the Linux kernel in Rust you'd have to completely rewrite it, which won't happen.
16:51<sarnold>petn-randall: They[tm] are making some framework to allow mixing rust into the kernel https://security.googleblog.com/2021/04/rust-in-linux-kernel.html
16:52<jhujhiti>i mean... not really. as long as rust exports c-compatible symbols, it's fine. there's ongoing work to integrate a rust toolchain
16:52<sarnold>it probably can't replace existing stuff but new drivers etc maybe..
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16:53<r4fkramer>Sure, that is what I needed to know. Specifically comparing C++ with Rust, I've read that there are security and memory management issues that are more readily resolved using Rust. This is being analyzed for future fixes on Windows and Android, for example.
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16:53<r4fkramer>The question was whether this could also happen to some extent with the Linux Kernel and, by extension, in Debian.
16:53<r4fkramer>That's why I asked this question.
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16:54<jhujhiti>https://lkml.org/lkml/2021/4/14/1099
16:54<r4fkramer>Anyway, I'm satisfied with sarnold and jhujhiti answers, thank you very much :)
16:54<r4fkramer>Fine, jhujhiti, thank you for this link.
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16:56<r4fkramer>petn-randall, thank you for your analysis too :)
16:58<petn-randall>r4fkramer: Ah, I wouldn't hold my breath over this. Even *if* Rust comes to the Linux kernel, this will only be for new drivers, and if at all, this is at least a year (probably several) ahead before this gets merged.
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17:00<sney>the rust crowd are *really* enthusiastic about rust replacing C as much as possible, and that alone is a strong indication that it's too early haha
17:00<sney>gotta wait until they become more jaded ;)
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17:01<r4fkramer>Fine, petn-randall. I just thought about the possibility that drivers and firmware could be rewritten in Rust. According to your observation, so I wasn't imagining something completely unrealistic. Thank you for this information too :)
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17:03<r4fkramer>Could be, sney. In my case, I didn't have this suspicion that something immediate happened.
17:03<r4fkramer>But, I can't deny that curiosity arose regarding an event of this nature in the future (although for me, a still quite undefined future).
17:04<Sqrt{not}>I read Linus's mail, and it looks like he is not a big advocate, at least until rust is made more dependable.
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17:06<r4fkramer>I can imagine that, Sqrt{not}.
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17:28<jhutchins>Hey, I've got a great idea, let's re-write all the drivers in PHP!
17:28<jhutchins>What could go wrong?
17:28<urk>I am wondering if someone can provide guidance for changing the default listening port that ssh uses. I am inside vim after running vi /etc/ssh/sshd_config, but everything is #out so how do I effect a change?
17:29<enyc>jhutchins: no actualy hardware access? the driver would involve ... php code that calls a c compiler to compile then execute a binary fr every in or out instruction required of the ardware separately?
17:30<sney>urk: uncomment the line you want to modify, then modify it.
17:31<urk>sney: Thats what I thought, but wanted to check with someone first. Does it recomment with the next session?
17:31<sney>urk: in fact, the comments at the top of that file tell you this, too.
17:32<sney>no, changes made in sshd_config are permanent. you will get a prompt about it next time you update the package, but that's all.
17:32<TobiX>jhutchins: MS Research had an experimental kernel (Singnularity) written in a .NET (C#?) dialect...
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17:54<urk>How do I create password pairs as recommended by the "SSH Further Steps" section of https://phoenixnap.com/kb/ssh-to-connect-to-remote-server-linux-or-windows
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17:56<cc>nowhere on that page there is a phrase "password pairs"
17:56<cc>what are you talking about
17:57<sney>probably key auth
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17:59<cc>https://wiki.debian.org/SSH#Using_shared_keys
17:59<cc>wiki suggests rsa key type but there are others nowadays
18:00<cc>4096 bit long rsa "should be" "good enough"
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18:33<urk>cc: Meant to state SSH key pairs. How do I do this? And what is it?
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18:35<donalhunt[m]>I think a lot of people have migrated to ed25519 keys for similar security profile, smaller keys and improved signing speed.
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18:36<urk>cc: You out there?
18:36<sney>urk: you should probably start by reading that debian wiki link
18:36<aloo_shu>^^ and what's around it
18:36<urk>sney: Which Debian wiki link?
18:36<donalhunt[m]>urk: https://wiki.debian.org/SSH#Using_shared_keys
18:37<urk>thanks
18:37<sney>urk: ^ that one, that cc also shared when you asked earlier
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18:38<donalhunt[m]>for ed25519 keys, you can do: ssh-keygen -t ed25519
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18:39<donalhunt[m]>(may even be the default these days on some distro version)
18:40<jmcnaught>urk: did you successfully connect to your old computer with ssh?
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18:41<urk>jmcnaught: Not yet. I just generated a key, and following the instructions from SSH Further Steps section of https://phoenixnap.com/kb/ssh-to-connect-to-remote-server-linux-or-windows and https://phoenixnap.com/kb/setup-passwordless-ssh I just generated a key.
18:42<jmcnaught>urk: did you try without a key? If you cannot connect a key won't help.
18:42<urk>jmcnaught: not yet.
18:43<jmcnaught>Seems unlikely to me that you would have had an sshd server running on the old computer in the first place. You might just need to borrow a monitor from someone.
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18:47<kmf58>ola
18:49<sarnold>wb
18:51<kmf58>thank's...
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19:26<alex11>when should i consider cleaning out logs? when do they start becoming a space hogging nightmare and which ones are necessary to keep vs not necessary?
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19:33<jhutchins>alex11: You should have logrotate installed and enabled by default. It allows you to set rotation, retention, and compression of log file. Most services will have a logrotate config file that they drop in the correct folder.
19:34<bremner>is that still true with most things logging to systemd?
19:34<jhutchins>alex11: If you find an app that has a log growing too big, or not getting rotated/cleaned, find out why logrotate isn't taking care of it.
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19:35<alex11>Active: inactive (dead) since Tue 2021-07-27 00:00:44 EDT; 19h ago
19:35<alex11>so i guess it's been working
19:35<aloo_shu>ncdu (terminal) or baobab (gui) are nice tools to spot the hogs, if there are any, likewise, there are log viewers so you can decide for yourself. generally, system logs will be 'rotated' anyway, i.e. only so many compressed copies of past logs kept, then an old one thrown out when the next fresh one is getting archived. apps (like your irc client) can generate logs. Xorg can have a
19:35<aloo_shu>way of dropping .xerrors hidden files into your home directory.
19:35<aloo_shu>I wouldn't know of any log that is _necessary_ to be kept for the system to function, you just can't check what happened anymore when they're gone
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19:38<alex11>i gotta figure out what i'm backing up when i dist-upgrade to bullseye ^^
19:38<cc>systemd does its own log rotation
19:38<alex11>probably just /home and /usr/local at this point
19:38<cc>journald does it, and its configurable in /etc/systemd/journald.conf
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19:39<sarnold>maybe back up /etc too, in case you've got something Very Special in there that's not handled well by the maintainer scripts
19:39<sarnold>/var/www perhaps if you've got webserver on it..
19:41<jhutchins> /var in general for such things as mail spols.
19:41<jhutchins>spools/
19:41<jhutchins>Print spools aren't usually an issue.
19:42<alex11>(and yes i make an effort to backup more than once per 2 years per release)
19:43<alex11>not *much* of one, i'm pretty inconsistent, but...
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19:44<jhutchins>alex11: I run rdiff-backup every night to an external drive.
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19:45<jhutchins>I don't do any of the system (need to add /var), just data.
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19:47<alex11>interesting program; i tend to just use rsync
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19:47<jhutchins>alex11: rdiff makes it really easy to restore a specific version of a file.
19:50<alex11>man rdiff-backup "Finally, this man page is intended more as a precise description of the behavior and syntax of rdiff-backup. New users may want to check out the examples.html file included in the rdiff-backup distribution." THANK YOU. finally user-friendly man pages
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19:52<alex11>jhutchins, do you know if it also uses the trailing slash conventions of rsync?
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19:53<alex11>(yes i'm being lazy and should read/experiment)
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20:04<jhutchins>alex11: Um, let me see, about 20 years ago...
20:04<jhutchins>Actually, the current rig is probably only a bit more than 10.
20:05<jhutchins>Which is to say I don't remember details, but I tend not to remember details that are easy to look up.
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20:10<alex11>rdiff-backup's selection system was originally inspired by rsync(1), but there are many differences. (For instance, trailing backslashes have no special significance.)
20:10<alex11>reading is fun!
20:10<jhutchins>Trailing backslash is usually a "join lines" - allows a CR for readability.
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20:16<jhutchins>alex11: Looking at my setup, I don't appear to use a config file, just options on the command line.
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20:19<jhutchins>alex11: Yeah, no config found, just rdiff... source target, one line for each source.
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20:41<urk>jhutchins: Having a bit of trouble finding both public keys on my computer. I supposedly created a public pair with the following command $ ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096 -C bugreport@sonic.net and received status stating I was generating a public, and private key. File was saved to (/home/pdq/.ssh/id_rsa): 072721, but I am having trouble finding 072721.pub
20:42<urk>jhutchins: I did find a file called known_hosts which is inside ~/.ssh
20:42<urk>Guess I am a bit confused.
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20:43<urk>I am now following instructions found at https://medium.com/@jakewies/accessing-remote-machines-using-ssh-55a0fdf5e9d8
20:43<fixx5324>writting GRUB to device has failed (/dev/sdb). what do now?
20:43<urk>back in a few. I am going to get a snack.
20:43<fixx5324>during aptitude upgrade
20:44<jhutchins>urk: You should have two files. I don't specify any options, just ...keygen, which gives me ~/.ssh/id_ras and id_rsa.pub
20:45<urk>status messages says I have 072721, and 072721.pub, but I am having trouble finding them on my computer.
20:45<urk>I did check in /home/pdq/.ssh/id_rsa, and don't see anything.
20:45<jhutchins>urk: known_hosts are hosts you have connected to and acknowledged their system key.
20:46<urk>How do I find 072721?
20:46<urk>I just found them. Never mind.
20:47<urk>They were installed in the root directory.
20:48<jhutchins>Xlnt. Yes, home directory of the user running the keygen command.
20:56<fixx5324>any idea re GRUB installing?
20:56<Sqrt{not}>fixx5324, any other messages?
20:56<fixx5324>Sqrt{not}: nope, that was a message box in text console
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20:56<Blendie>what's your problem with grub, fixx5324 \
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20:57<fixx5324> writting GRUB to device has failed (/dev/sdb) - during aptitude upgrade
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20:58<Blendie>normally you write grub to mbr once
20:58<Sqrt{not}>fixx5324, what is the output of this command: df /boot
20:58<fixx5324> /boot in on sda5 (not on sdb) tho
20:58<Blendie>during the install process
20:58<jhutchins>fixx5324: I would guess continue if you can, then go back and fix grub, re-run update and install.
20:58<fixx5324>Sqrt{not}: 100 mb free there
20:58<jhutchins>fixx5324: You're sure it's /dev/sdb?
20:58<fixx5324>continue worked, finished
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20:59<jhutchins>fixx5324: Double check that grub got written.
20:59<fixx5324>yeah it is mounted from sda5, while apt complaine about sdb (about MBR I guess?)
20:59<fixx5324>jhutchins: how?
20:59<fixx5324>files in /boot/ were updated right now. dunno if/which MBR was
21:00<fixx5324>maybe just install grub/MBR to both disks?
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21:00<urk>jhutchins: Looks like the sample command provided online didn't have the correct path to my two keys. The correct path ended up being /home/pdq/072721.pub, but the sample command line was /home/pdq/.ssh/072721.pub It says I only installed one key. Am I supposed to install two? I thought I was copying the pair.
21:01<jhutchins>The plain key goes in .ssh - the .pub key goes to the target servers .ssh/authorized_keys
21:02<urk>I now ran the same command but without the .pub, and received an error message that the key was skipped because all keys were already on the remote system. HOwever, only one was copied the first time. What is going on?
21:02<fixx5324>grub-install /dev/sda worked. /dev/sdb failed saying embedding is not supported and its needed for cross-disk and that I use gpt or smth
21:02<jhutchins>urk: That is correct, only the public key is sent to the remote.
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21:03<urk>Now I have to figure out how to get the plain key to .ssh since it wasn't deposited there when it was created.
21:03<jhutchins>mv
21:03<fixx5324>well system boots. I guess autoupdater doesnt like the crossdisk situation but works ( /boot on one disk, while MBR on another )
21:04<jhutchins>urk: plain = private key, .pub = public key.
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21:06<urk>jhutchins: mv /home/pdq/072721 /home/pdq/.ssh/ ??
21:07<jhutchins>urk: Yep, that should do it.
21:08<jhutchins>urk: Might be handy to remember that ~ = /home/<current user>
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21:08<urk>I am still in a fog on how to get into the machine to see if what I need is there. Supposedly I am logged in.
21:09<jhutchins>urk: You're doing fine.
21:09<jhutchins>How did you get the public key to the remote server?
21:10<urk>ssh-copy-id -i ~/072721.pub pdq@192.168.0.10
21:10<jhutchins>Xlnt, that will have put it in .ssh/authorized_keys.
21:11<urk>NOt sure what to do next. The tutorial I am looking at doesn't seem to go any further.
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21:12<urk>I need to take a break. Might be back later.
21:13<sarnold>once you can identify with your key, it's nice to disable password access -- brute-forced ssh passwords are the most common way linux systems are hacked
21:13<sarnold>but you need to be sure you can actually authenticate with your key before doing that :)
21:13<sarnold>when you're tired is probably not the time to do it
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21:17<jhutchins>Boy needs to learn to lurk.
21:18<sarnold>some day he'll get that 'l' :)
21:18<sarnold>still, working on something for *so long*, impressive
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21:21<jhutchins>As with so many things, not only in linux, ssh seems mysterious and complex until you realise it's really dead simple.
21:22<sarnold>so true
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22:00<fixx5324>any easy way to let user xxx or group xxx to read all files in given directory and subs, or at given mountpoint (it's ext fs) without chattr recursive?
22:01<fixx5324>so like xxx being a root regarding access to files there
22:01<fixx5324>kinda. or something like that
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22:07<themill>fixx5324: the filesystem may well have that as a mount option (if it's a non-unix filesystem)
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22:07<fixx5324>themill: and for ext?
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22:10<jhutchins>fixx5324: chmod, and there's no reason not to make it recursive.
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22:11<fixx5324>jhutchins: it seems bruteforce, also, spams disks with writes
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22:11<themill>I can think of plenty of reasons where changing modes would be a bad thing; for those, filesystem acls can help; see setfacl for instance
22:11<sussudio>why do you care about disk writes
22:11<coc0nut>how do i find out if im using network manager or another networking service?
22:11<fixx5324>yeah I get recursive inheritable setfacl once then, but still doing it on e.g. read-only would be nice to have
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22:15<fixx5324>sussudio: bad for disk, bad when rescuing a disk too
22:16<sussudio>writing isn't bad for a disk, it's literally what it's for.
22:17<sussudio>if you're trying to rescue a disk, you should just dd the contents as a whole to another one.
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22:18<fixx5324>there should be a way to READ data without writing all over it, if you don't see it then *shrug* :)
22:19<jhutchins>coc0nut: If you are using one, and you did not manually configure it, it is most likely NM.
22:20<jhutchins>coc0nut: If you did not manually configure your networking, but it works, that's likely.
22:20<jhutchins>coc0nut: Which relese are you on, and what desktop are you using.
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22:20<coc0nut>Debian 4.19.194-3
22:21<jhutchins>coc0nut: That's a kernel, not a release.
22:21<coc0nut>thinking to connect a headless install to a vpn... but the vpn service (vyprvpn) fails on connect..
22:21<jhutchins>coc0nut: Most releases have several kernels available.
22:22<coc0nut>i think vyprvpn depends on a desktop env and network manager
22:22<jhutchins>coc0nut: There was an international VPN service that went off-line today after leaking a lot of user data.
22:22<jhutchins>coc0nut: Network manager has a cli and a gtk applet.
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22:23<coc0nut>using debian 10 buster i guess...
22:23<coc0nut>10.9
22:23<Sqrt{not}>fixx5324, put the authorized readers in whatever group(s) are assigned to the files (assuming the files already have group read permission)
22:24<jhutchins>coc0nut: Very good, current stable.
22:25<jhutchins>coc0nut: No GUI yet?
22:26<jhutchins>coc0nut: I'm afraid that since vyprvpn is a commercial service and not a part of Debian, we're not going to be likely to find someone who knows how to set it up here.
22:27<jhutchins>coc0nut: You are best off seeking their support - I would be surprised if they didn't have a step-by-step howto for Debian.
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22:29<coc0nut>they have a deb package to download. and that deb packaged assumes you have the DE and network-manager... for headless it fails to connect
22:29<coc0nut>probably
22:30<coc0nut>it uses cli commands, but not sure why its not working on headless
22:32<sney>according to their website it's just openvpn, so you can set that up manually
22:32<coc0nut>was thinking that, to rather use openvpn maybe
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22:44<coc0nut>hm never set up openvpn on a headless before, seems all tutorials is for desktop environments :p ill send them a mail
22:44<sney>you just put the settings in a .ovpn file and then feed it to the openvpn program
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22:53<coc0nut>do you know of any good howto`s for connecting to a vpn with openvpn wihtout any graphical interfaces?
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22:55<tristero>coc0nut: haven't done it myself, but: https://www.putorius.net/mcli-import-openvpn.html
22:56<coc0nut>thx!
22:57<sney>that's still network-manager, but if you don't mind having it installed, you can then enable/disable the vpn also with nmcli
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22:58<coc0nut>i have no problems with network-manager :p im just not sure how to even know what networking service im using :p
22:59<coc0nut>with nmcli it says network manager is not running
22:59<coc0nut>so that might be the whole problem then. now how do i switch to use nmcli ? :)
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23:02<coc0nut>after live chatting with vyprvpn I still feel kinda hopeless tho! haha
23:02<sney>'systemctl start NetworkManager' with the capital letters like this
23:02<coc0nut>sney, would that switch to using NetworkManager?
23:03<sney>it would start the NM service, but it will ignore anything you already have configured in /etc/network/interfaces
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23:08<coc0nut>still the same
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23:56<sirmanuel>Hello
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23:57<Sqrt{not}>hi sirmanuel
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23:58<sirmanuel>Sqrt{not} how are you friend
23:59<Sqrt{not}>OK, thanks. This is a channel for debian technical support. Do you have a debian question?
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