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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-07-31

---Logopened Sat Jul 31 00:00:34 2021
00:00<keycollector>Is there a utility/command that can monitor disk IOPS utilization?
00:01<keycollector>Looks like iostat may be my best option, unless someone has something else to recommend
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00:17<Hash>iotop
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00:38<Konomi>I believe iotop is for data transfer not operations
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00:40<Konomi>keycollector: I'd say go with iostat
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00:46<himesama>why do i have like 30 instances of gpg-agent running?
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01:09<WYOhellboy>Hi
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01:54<kwilczynski>himesama: Are you sure these are separate processes and not threads of the same process?
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02:19<Cranky_Franky>hello Debian friends, I hope you are all well today!
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02:47<coc0nut>why doesnt the newgrp command work in debian 10.10 :P
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02:49<sussudio>!why
02:49<dpkg>Because!
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02:50<coc0nut>any other command with same function?
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03:37<upen>fonts are blurred in my laptop in debian buster. what can i do ?
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04:23<scorpion2185[m]>Sqrt{not}: yes as root, autologin as root works but with `autologin-session=` no more
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04:27<scorpion2185[m]>lightdm remember last session so I manually selected GNOME on xorg and now it "works"
04:34<scorpion2185[m]>(I removed the autologin-session= field)
04:34<scorpion2185[m]> * lightdm remembers last session so I manually selected GNOME on xorg and now it "works"
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04:48<jkc>coc0nut: define "doesn't work"
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04:50<coc0nut>I installed a fresh vm debian 10.10 netinst. added my user to both sudo and docker using usermod -aG sudo user and same with docker. but the command newgrp didnt refresh this
04:50<coc0nut>jkc
04:51<jkc>coc0nut: That's because it doesn't.
04:51<coc0nut>i did exec su -l $USER
04:51<coc0nut>doesnt it? i thought it did..
04:51<jkc>newgrp only changes the primary group of the user for the shell in which its invoked.
04:51<coc0nut>I was told to rather use newgrp instead of exec su -l $USER
04:52<jkc>man 1 newgrp - The newgrp command is used to change the current group ID during a login session.
04:52<jkc>That doesn't take effect system-wide. Only in that session.
04:53<coc0nut>is rebooting or logging out and back in the only option?
04:53<jkc>No. I'm not sure why you were told not to use su to launch a new login session.
04:54<coc0nut>well its a workaround atleast... it works, but it creates a new session i guess
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04:54<coc0nut>on top of the session youre on
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04:55<jkc>exec replaces the current shell.
04:55<jkc>So you don't end up with stacked sessions.
04:55<coc0nut>typing exit on that brings me back to the shell executed the command i think
04:55<jkc>It doesn't.
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04:56<coc0nut>okies.. but say I added my user to a group... then how do I refresh group assignments for that user without logging out or rebooting or complication on creating new shells :P
04:56<jkc>exec su - $USER
04:57<jkc>The only way to change it for *everything*, including graphical sessions, is to log out and back in.
04:57<coc0nut>ok, so without the -l argument
04:57<jkc>-l == -
04:57<jkc>- is just a shorthand for -l.
04:57<jkc>man su ;)
04:57<coc0nut>okok :) thc
04:57<coc0nut>thx
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09:38<itt788>i'm trying to convert the instalation iso image into a usb bootable flash
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09:44<felco>don't need to do that, just dd the iso to the usb device
09:45<felco>the iso bootable
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09:45<felco>is*
09:46<itt788>that's an hybrid one?
09:47<felco>yes, the debian howto guides you to do like that
09:48<itt788>actually i don't have any spare usb drive, I use a primary partition in a big hard drive
09:48<itt788>i'm using extlinux
09:50<felco>i'm not that will work, unless you dd to the hd device, which will erase previous partitions on the disk
09:50<itt788>i can't do that
09:52<felco>yeah, to do like that you need to do it yourself
09:52<felco>it is possible, maybe just mount the iso and dd the / part and copy the boot files to the efi part
09:52<felco>not sure that will work though
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09:56<EdePopede>itt788: i did this some time ago just to see if it would boot and it did. started from an installer, in grub defined a different root (also a 2nd line maybe, can't remember) and then just booted it
09:57<EdePopede>had an empty partition at that time, so nothing to lose
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10:15<Konomi>you can even cp the iso
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10:16<Konomi>https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.en.html
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10:29<itt788>Konomi: the last paragraph in the page you linked might help
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11:25<Sqrt{not}>jkc, `newgrp -` will reinitialize the user's environment as though just logged in (for current shell only)
11:26<bremner>as will "bash -", I suppose
11:26<bremner>although that assumes the user's shell is bash
11:27<vv221>(I’m not sure bash has a "-" shortcut for "-l")
11:27<bremner>hmm. Maybe I'm wrong then.
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11:27<vv221>To be fair, I did not test ;)
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11:28<scorpion2185[m]>what's the name for GNOME on xorg for session field?
11:29<bremner>context?
11:29<scorpion2185[m]>`autologin-session=gnome-xorg.desktop` `[+2.15s] DEBUG: Seat seat0: Can't find session 'gnome-xorg.desktop'`
11:30<scorpion2185[m]>lightdm autologin without that field was working
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12:01<vv221>Did you check lightdm documentation for what is acutally expected in its autologin-session field?
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12:24<harshhacked>hi
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12:24<harshhacked>i am harsh
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12:25<harshhacked>what is this
12:25<harshhacked>irc
12:25<harshhacked>?
12:26<jmcnaught>harshhacked: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat
12:26<jmcnaught>harshhacked: in particular this place is for Debian technical support :)
12:27<mason>https://youtu.be/QLvvkTbHjHI
12:27<mason>(only, IRC)
12:28<harshhacked>is it only for tech support?
12:28<mason>Primarily, yes.
12:29<harshhacked>are there any more social channel i can add in irc?
12:29<harshhacked>for different topics
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12:30<harshhacked>.
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12:30<Sqrt{not}>harshhacked, here are some clues:
12:30<Sqrt{not}>!chat
12:30<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic or #moocows; or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/
12:31<Sqrt{not}>harshhacked, thousands of channels
12:31<harshhacked>thanks
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12:31<harshhacked>password? do i need them?
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12:32<harshhacked>!chat
12:32<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic or #moocows; or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/
12:33<harshhacked>why does dpkg displaying answers?
12:34<Sqrt{not}>harshhacked, it is a robot
12:34<harshhacked>no
12:34<harshhacked>i am harsh
12:34<Sqrt{not}>harshhacked, I mean dpkg is a bot
12:34<harshhacked>harsh mishra from india
12:34<harshhacked>ok
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12:35<Sqrt{not}>!new2irc
12:35<dpkg>You are chatting on IRC. IRC is the original group chat. Similar to platforms like Slack, Matrix, or Discord, IRC was invented in the 1980s and formalized with RFC 1459 in 1993. This channel, #debian, is for help with the debian operating system. Ask us a debian support question, or read more about IRC at https://netsplit.de or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC
12:35<harshhacked>how to join a chat can you tell me?
12:36<Sqrt{not}>for example, type here: /join #moocows
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12:43<scorpion2185[m]>vv221: that field was already there I suppose it's for autologin. where is the doc.?
12:43<harshhacked>if i type a channel name to join which does not exist, does this creates a new channel? (in this irc)
12:45<scorpion2185[m]>/usr/share/doc ?
12:46<Sqrt{not}>harshhacked, yes. see the list of existing channels at netsplit.de mentioned above in dpkg answer
12:46<Sqrt{not}>scorpion2185[m], all these things are designed for non-root users. To force them to work also for root, you are on your own
12:47<scorpion2185[m]>where is the documentation? I don't think that root it's the problem
12:47<amacater>If you want autologin for root you are DEFINITELY on your own and I want to be far away from your computer :)
12:48<scorpion2185[m]>I have it but session it's not working
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12:53<vv221>scorpion2185[m], I do not use LightDM myself, so can giv nothing but blind advice. I would start with `man lightdm`, `man lightdm.conf` and looking under /usr/share/doc/lightdm
12:53<harshhacked>other networks are not working except DebianIRC
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12:53<harshhacked>like GamesNET
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12:54<harshhacked>what to do?
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12:57<scorpion2185[m]>No manual entry for lightdm.conf but maybe I need to remove .desktop
12:57<jkc>Sqrt{not}: The CORRECT way to accomplish group membership changes for a running shell is via the "exec su - $USER" mechanism. newgrp might do it, but its hacky.
12:59<Sqrt{not}>jkc, the CORRECT way also looks a bit hacky
13:01<jkc>"Replace the current shell with a login shell that's correct" seems far less hacky than "use a command designed to change your primary group ID to spawn a subshell."
13:01<jkc>So... Yeah.
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13:05<Sqrt{not}>jkc, ewww, you're right
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13:11<Sqrt{not}>jkc, I tried your approach: it replaces bash with "su - lwp" which has child "-su" permanently, which then runs any commands input. So *slightly* less hacky
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13:47<scorpion2185[m]>Sqrt{not}: I was asking the name of GNOME on xorg for the session field, so is the same for all DMs. Without .desktop it worked, root doesn't change nothing for that field
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14:01<Hash>Oh ok
14:01<Hash>I didn't know that
14:01<Hash>I didn't use iotop/iostats a lot
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14:03<cpach>hi folks. i'm struggling to get puppet 7.2.1 running on debian buster. anyone got experience with this...? would love some guidance.
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14:06<cpach>hm, perhaps i didn't provide enough memory for this vm/service.
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14:32<amacater>cpach: No particular experience with puppet: if you're running a VM - how much memory do you have in total / for the VM?
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14:57<nigga_jones>sup
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14:57<nigga_jones>SUP
14:58<mason>!ops
14:58<dpkg>Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
14:58<mason>!ops ^
14:58<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: mason complains about a problem (see above)
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15:38<jochum>cpach: i switched from puppet to salt long time ago
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16:06<himesama>kwilczynski: they have separate process ids and all have 1 as the parent process. does that mean they are separate gpg-agent instances instead of threads?. should i be using some obscure gpg arg/
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16:34<keycollector>what is the best way to benchmarka a disks IOPS? is dd still the best way?
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16:44<jochum>keycollector: dd never have been for IOPS, fio is
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17:02<himesama>i hope that is easier to understand than bonnie
17:08<jochum>ohh bonnie++ been using it too, not sure why/when.
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17:10<himesama>dd can measure speed with some control character like c-\ or somethingif that is what you want
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19:16<jhutchins>c`Reallt getting snowed by spam calls this evening.
19:16<jhutchins>Oops.
19:16<mason>jhutchins: Me too.
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21:12<ckosloff>how to stop Dolphin from auto starting every time I start system?
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21:16*enyc meows ckosloff
21:17<enyc>ckosloff: as in log in, or .. before that?
21:17<enyc>ckosloff: what desktop environment ?
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21:20<jhutchins>ckosloff: Don't run gnome?
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21:24<jhutchins>My bad, it's KDE's file manager.
21:25<enyc>jhutchins: yes though I've seen different file managers used in some cases, etc...
21:25<jhutchins>ckosloff: There is a setting for start-up programs in KDE. See if it's there. Also check the properties/settings for Dolphin to see that it's not set to run at startup.
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21:26<jhutchins>enyc: One of the trends that KDE seemed to be to have everything running in the background and pre-indexing everything for "better performance".
21:26<ckosloff>jhutchins: where is setting in KDE
21:27<jhutchins>enyc: Unfortunately, all of the background work destroyed performance.
21:27<ckosloff>?
21:27<jhutchins>ckosloff: Somewhere under the program menu. I haven't run it in years.
21:29<ckosloff>How can I connect to #debian-kde, freenode is giving me a hard time asking for password?
21:29<keycollector>Desktop Session Login and Logout > On Login > Start with an empty session
21:29<keycollector>i think will stop it
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21:30<ckosloff>jhutchins: another q: where is netinst .iso for Bullseye RC2? I cannot find in debian .org.
21:31<jhutchins>ckosloff: Might not exist.
21:32<enyc>ckosloff: freenode = dead, in short, long story more complex
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21:32<keycollector>ckosloff: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - In top left, right? netinst
21:32<enyc>ckosloff: anyhow #debian-kde is here on OFTC
21:32<jhutchins>ckosloff: Doesn't look like they've built one. Do a basic buster install, then upgrade.
21:34<jhutchins>keycollector: I don't see a netinst iso there.
21:35<enyc>ckosloff: short answer, r.e. IRC networks, irc.libera.chat and irc.debian.org are the important networks (debian openwrt virtualbox and various others...).
21:35<enyc>uerr
21:35<enyc>ckosloff: short answer, r.e. IRC networks, irc.libera.chat (most things) and irc.oftc.net (debian openwrt virtualbox and various others...) used most in FOSS projects these days.
21:37<Sqrt{not}>ckosloff, the bullseye RC3 installer is being released today
21:38<ckosloff>I am using the KDE client Konversation, which connects automatically to #debian at freenode, is there a way view those channels via browser
21:38<Sqrt{not}>ckosloff, images are here. https://get.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/.bullseye_di_rc3/debian-cd/
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21:39<ckosloff>Sqrt{not}: I don't see an .iso that I can download
21:40<Sqrt{not}>ckosloff, follow the links
21:40<Sqrt{not}>ckosloff, what hardware?
21:41<keycollector>https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/bullseye_di_rc2/amd64/iso-cd/debian-bullseye-DI-rc2-amd64-netinst.iso
21:41<ckosloff>Sqrt{not}: I did, for amd64 it just shows contents of Parent directory, but no .iso
21:41<Sqrt{not}>https://get.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/.bullseye_di_rc3/debian-cd/amd64/
21:42<Sqrt{not}>ckosloff, I don't know what tool you are looking with, but try this link ^^
21:43<Sqrt{not}>do you want a netinstaller, or DVD, or what style?
21:43<ckosloff>Sqrt{not}: it's just Firefox
21:43<ckosloff>Sqrt{not}: a netinst
21:43<Sqrt{not}>https://get.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/.bullseye_di_rc3/debian-cd/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-bullseye-DI-rc3-amd64-netinst.iso
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21:44<Sqrt{not}>this is a release-candidate RC3 installer for bullseye, debian 11
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21:47<ckosloff>I cannot continue, must leave, sorry
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