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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-08-01

---Logopened Sun Aug 01 00:00:05 2021
---Daychanged Sun Aug 01 2021
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00:04-!-mines is "theConsultant" on #debian
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00:55-!-yumkam is "Yuriy M. Kaminskiy" on #debian #debian-qemu
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01:03*enyc meows
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01:13<Konomi>hehe
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01:29-!-nyov is now known as Guest2941
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02:07-!-alex11 is "your worst nightmare" on #bitlbee #debian-next #debian
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04:14*enyc meows
04:14*enyc wonders, more generally, how wider debian as a project changing, not just ... new release
04:14<enyc>growing? more DD/support? etc...
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04:34-!-arnoldoree is "Arnold Opio Oree" on #virt #debian-tech #debian
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04:36-!-towo` is "Torsten -towo- Wohlfarth" on #vbox #vboxger #kvm #radeon #kernelnewbies #siduction-admin #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian
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04:37-!-towo` is "Torsten -towo- Wohlfarth" on #vbox #vboxger #kvm #radeon #kernelnewbies #siduction-admin #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian
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04:48-!-schizo is "me without a mic is like a beat without a snare" on #oftc #linux #debian
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04:52-!-dogsleg is "Lev Lamberov" on #debian-social #debian-l10n-russian #debian-devel-changes #debian-meeting #debian-haskell #debian-i18n #debian
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05:13*enyc meows
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05:18*EdePopede opens a can of cat food
05:18<EdePopede>i'm sure they could need some more hands
05:18-!-kapouer [~kapouer@91-163-163-134.subs.proxad.net] has joined #debian
05:18-!-kapouer is "Jérémy Lal" on #debian
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05:39*enyc meows EdePopede
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05:40-!-towo` is "Torsten -towo- Wohlfarth" on #vbox #vboxger #kvm #radeon #kernelnewbies #siduction-admin #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian
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05:51*alex11 sets loose a pack of rats to fight the pack of cats
05:52<EdePopede>Rat Pack vs Cat Nips
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05:58<Otter>yum. rats.
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06:40<enrico_>hey there I need some help. Long time linux user but I'm a little puzzled by a fresh debian10 installation
06:41<enrico_>I asked for gnome during installation, but I'm presented with a dock based gui I'm not familiar with and can't find a way to revert to a standard desktop based gnome
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06:42<enrico_>moreover, my username for some reason is not among sudoers and I can't find a quick way to install vscode...
06:42<bremner>enrico_: I think gnome changed since you last looked at it
06:42<azeem>enrico_: where is the dock? on the left side or the bottom of the screen?
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06:42<bremner>iirc, cinnamon is retro-gnome
06:42<enrico_>left
06:43<azeem>that sounds like gnome3, maybe google for gnome3 screenshot and compar
06:43<azeem>compare*
06:43<enrico_>yep that's gnome3 apparently
06:43<tpfkaj>maybe hit your special key. the windows key see if what your looking for pops up.
06:44<azeem>enrico_: if you set a root password, the initial user is not added to sudo I think
06:44<enrico_>yes that works tnx. so that is sorted out, I need another classic gui
06:45<enrico_>oh ok
06:45<ansgar>Doesn't GNOME3 have some Classic mode as well?
06:45<azeem>not something that looks like Gnome2 I guess
06:46<enrico_>I looked on the prefs and found nothing about classic gui
06:46<ansgar>It has an "Applications" menu at top and window list at bottom. https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/gnome-classic.html.en
06:46<enrico_>well, no problem I can manage to switch to another gui I guess
06:46<ansgar>enrico_: It's a different session type you can choose when logging in (in gdm).
06:49<enrico_>ok thanks. So last question. within gnome3 the packed manager says "You are using Wayland environment, Synaptic will continue without administrative privileges.
06:49<enrico_>To make Synaptic fully functional, please restart your session without Wayland."
06:49*tpfkaj found the secret to wiping out this other machine. no one will notice. till bills need to be paid anyway. sheft f10
06:50<tpfkaj>shift and f10. ah ah
06:50<tpfkaj>YU want wayland.
06:50<enrico_>is this some kind of alt-f4?
06:50<tpfkaj>bl
06:50<tpfkaj>bbl
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06:53<enrico_>np I guess that is going to be solved when I'll get rid of gnome3... gosh it's true I've been away for some time,but I just can't wrap my mind around the reason why they choosed to make gnome look like this...
06:53<enrico_>thank you very much guys
06:53<vv221>enrico_, I think MATE is trying to be a GNOME 2 continuation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATE_(software)
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06:53<enrico_>oh yep now Isee why someone recommended mate
06:54<vv221>(package task-mate-desktop in Debian)
06:54<enrico_>kk thank you very much
06:54<vv221>I think it can be selected in debian-installer during a fresh install too.
06:55<enrico_>yes my bad I should have looked into that
06:56<vv221>I see there is GNOME Flashback too, but I have no feedback at all on this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME#GNOME_Flashback
06:57<vv221>I think MATE looks like a safer bet ;)
06:59<enrico_>yep I'll switch to mate tnx
07:00<enrico_>thank you guys cya
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07:01<tpfkaj>uh. is amber before buster?
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07:02<tpfkaj>shoot...
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07:02<gulamtcho>Hi, how can I get the information in which order the *.mp3 files are stored on a USB-Stick
07:03<gulamtcho>in Win it was "dir"
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07:04<vv221>I think "dir" is the DOS/Windows equivalent to our "ls"
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07:05<amacater>tpfkaj: amber?? Stretch=Debian 9 Buster=Debian 10 Bullseye=Debian 11 Bookworm=Debian 12 Trixie=Debian 13 (in some years)
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07:06<tpfkaj>ok thanks amacater- and H y'all doing. downloading stuff now. found my ghost.
07:06<amacater>gulamtcho: ls -al - if there are a lot of files, use ls -al | less - that's a pipe symbol
07:07<amacater>and just hit spacebar until less finishes - it's the equivalent of DOS pager command
07:07<gulamtcho>ls thats miht be. But when I copy first file2 than file1 it show me not this copy order
07:07<gulamtcho>thats what I would like to have
07:08<tpfkaj>not sure why buster would be still considered beta. hm now i need to read. oh well.
07:10<gulamtcho>in Win with "dir" it gives me the order I copied the files to mem. I would like to have same function on Linux O
07:10<gulamtcho>:O
07:10<tpfkaj>thanks for that link ansgar. that helped me find the junk i need for this junkie pureOS.
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07:12<amacater>tpfkaj - Buster is current stable: Bullesye will be released in a couple of weeks there's a release candidate 3 now
07:13<tpfkaj>ok, I have to. well I would like a very stable system. since I just need to focus on other stuff that i've been putting off for a LONG LONG time.
07:13<tpfkaj>bulseye. thats not stable . ?
07:15<tpfkaj>the support manager has made a nice support page. and he will have to give up owning my machine.
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07:19<amacater>tpfkaj: If you install Buster today, you'll probablby need to upgrade in about two weeks to the next stable version which is Bullseye
07:20<amacater>[for another 3 years of stable support]
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07:27<Cranky_Franky>hey everyone, how are you today!
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07:29<amacater>It's just a slight odd thing just at this stage in the release cycle: Bullseye is frozen
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09:23<jhutchins>tparenti: On the other hand, you could hang back for a bit and see how the bullseye goes, see what kind of errata it picks up.
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10:19<mason>amacater: Buster will have support for IIRC the next year at least. There's no rush to upgrade.
10:19<mason>And even after that there'll be the LTS project. https://www.debian.org/lts/
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10:21<amacater>Sure - there's no rush to upgrade - but you can move forward by a few years, install a newer kernel with better support for hardware. At this point in the release, it's a possible to install bullseye
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10:22<mason>https://backports.debian.org/ should cover the kernel / hardware case
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10:23<mason>although that's probably a debootstrap install in the fresh-install case if you depend on support for newer hardware.
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10:30<jhutchins>The problem with deferred upgrades is that the community knowledge of the little glitches starts to fade, and if you're two releases back trying to crawl you way forward, nobody remembers why dovecot won't start.
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10:43<vv221>It seems the sweet post for people wanting to avoid the update on release day is to wait for the first .1 update.
10:43<vv221>(11.1 for Bullseye)
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10:48<dvs>vv221: I usually wait a few days in case something unexpected crops up.
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11:04<mason>I tend to dive right in with lower-priority systems and hold off on upgrading the more important ones.
11:04<vv221>On simple systems I plan to do it as soon as I have a couple hours free after the release.
11:04<EmleyMoor>Is there a support channel more "real time" than a forum for kodi? (as installed on Debian)
11:05<mason>EmleyMoor: Did you check their project pages? They might list something. Unsure, myself.
11:05<vv221>For the more complex ones (like my GitLab systemd-nspawn container) I might wait a little bit more time, to make sure I have at least half a day of free time in case of unexpected issues.
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11:16<EmleyMoor>mason: Yes, but there was nothing helpful. As it is I've just "asided" my kodi config and am trying the guide to unofficial addons as a means to solve my problem with it.
11:16<EmleyMoor>(Unfortunately I have "distance between" and "printing speed" issues)
11:17<jhutchins>EmleyMoor: You say that like we're supposed to know what you mean.
11:19<Tenkawa>EmleyMoor: may I msg you another irc resource for kodi?
11:19<mason>Tenkawa: Share publically! Then we all benefit.
11:20<EmleyMoor>Tenkawa: I'm looking for even one. If you know two, then share both
11:20<Tenkawa>mason: its on another network so wasn't sure if that was "proper"
11:20<Tenkawa>but sure
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11:20<Tenkawa>its #kodi on the libera network
11:21<mason>I think mentioning other networds is only forbidden on Leenode.
11:21<mason>networks too
11:21<EmleyMoor>Ah... a cause for me to go to Libera
11:21<mason>For example, before The Events Freenode #debian would very regularly point people to #debian-next here.
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11:21<mason>And there's an active #debian on Libera, although I'm only in this one lately.
11:22<Tenkawa>yeah I got caught in the middle of the FN saga
11:22<EdePopede>sure, -next is even now in their topic
11:23<Tenkawa>EmleyMoor: good luck btw.. hope that helps
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11:25*boud hopes to have an arm box to test on soon :)
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11:40<dbuiviet>Hello guys, been using ubuntu for like 3 years now, currently moving to debian and feeling happy so far ;-)
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11:48<EdePopede>dbuiviet: welcome to the real thing™ :)
11:51<diogenes_oftc>dbuiviet, why you dumped Ubuntu?
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11:56<dbuiviet>Actually, up till now ubuntu is great for my needs as a developer, get tools up and running in no time
11:58<dbuiviet>But I find out debian could give me more than that, in a good sense :)
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12:06<dbuiviet>gtg, see you guys later on :)
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12:13<tizef>hi guys! I own a << thinkpad 11e + Debian Buster >> and the <FN> fonctions touches does not match with what is written on keyboard... right now my wifi is locked and I have no idea how to identify that fonction key combo..... I actually would like to get a full map of my keyboard if possible, thanks
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12:16<diogenes_oftc>tizef, Gnome?
12:19<tizef>diogenes_oftc, no, it's a noDE (no desktop environement) only Xorg+OpenBox and some small stuffs, minimal likes
12:20<grawity>the Fn+wifi key might be handled either via firmware (in which case the DE doesn't matter), or via OS (in which case it always goes via rfkill, so you can run `rfkill unblock` to undo it)
12:20<grawity>to see raw(-ish) key events, run either `evemu-record` or `libinput debug-events` as root
12:21<tizef>yes, I am so sad, rfkill is not installed.........
12:21<tizef>yet
12:21<grawity>install the .deb from a usb stick
12:21<grawity>evemu-record shows kernel evdev events (higher than scancodes, but still lowest level that apps deal with)
12:21<grawity>libinput shows libinput events, which are slightly higher than evdev, but ~mostly~ the same
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12:23<tizef>I can but I am bad at installing from usb stick, because it require also dependances right ?
12:24<tizef>grawity, ok I give a try, thanks guys
12:24<grawity>yes, but rfkill doesn't have many
12:24<tizef>well
12:25<grawity>you'll always have libc6, and pretty much guaranteed you'll already have libsmartcols1 as well
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12:25<Tenkawa>you just need rfkill and libsmartcols1
12:25<Tenkawa>I just ran the dep tree
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12:27<Tenkawa>when in doubt do a recursive apt-cache/apt show pkg name | grep "Depends:"
12:27<Tenkawa>and follow the tree
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12:33<Tenkawa>grawity has a good point about libsmartcols1.. that one is as fundamental as libc6 so it will already be there
12:34<grawity>well, not strictly fundamental in the same sense, but a *lot* of util-linux tools -- swapon, losetup, lsblk, findmnt, others -- use it for their pretty output, so if you have even just `mount` installed you'll have it
12:35<tizef>yeah libc6 and libsmartcols1, looks a piece of cake then....
12:36<Tenkawa>grawity: well.. I mean in the way that if you remove the pkg you break your system...
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12:38<vv221>tizef, I had the same issue with rfkill missing on a Thinkpad X200, and the wi-fi locked, like you ;)
12:38<Tenkawa>I just made a list of the base pkgs it would remove and these alone will crash it hard "mount systemd systemd-sysv systemd-timesyncd udev util-linux"
12:38<vv221>I think in my case I managed to borrow a RJ-45 cable…
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12:44<tizef>vv221, hehe, the thing is RJ-45 is there, in the livingroom, but see how many metres I have to walk... it's power consuming, that is why I run minimal OS, to consume the less power as possible !!!
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12:48<tizef>well, it's done ! rfkill list all says that all are on softblock, 2 bluetooth and one wireless lan
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12:50<tizef>so I have done : rfkill unblock all
12:50<tizef>kool, wifi is back ! thanks so much !!!
12:51<tizef>however I really would like to know my keyboard map
12:51<tizef>maybe it depend from OpenBox?
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13:08<grawity>not really
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13:12<tizef>...
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14:27<tyzef>Is there anyway to know which program is used the keys << fn+brightness >> ? I don't thing dmesg inform about that...
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14:28<zleap>there is a keyboard utility that has a tab for shortcuts (xfce)
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14:30<tyzef>Something is installed on my laptop and manage brightness, but I have no idea what is the program.....
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14:31<zleap>i get the same problemm tracing a function back to what manages that function
14:34<vv221>tyzef, I think on some laptops in can be handled at the hardware/kernel level.
14:35<vv221>On my Thinkpad X200, I think this is the case for screen brightness.
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14:35<vv221>On another laptop I had to write my own script for the same actions.
14:36<tyzef>vv221, both are thinkpad?
14:36<vv221>No, only the well-supported one ;)
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14:36<vv221>Try your brightness keys in a tty console, here they work, indicating that this is not handled by the desktop environment.
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14:36<tyzef>Ok
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14:40<tyzef>vv221, here it work only after running user session in Xorg
14:41<vv221>OK, so this might be handled by some daemon started with your desktop session.
14:42<vv221>But I will not be able to help further, I have no idea what is supposed to handle that ;)
14:42<vv221>(that’s why I ended up writing my own script, while there are probably many ready-to-use alternatives)
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14:44<tyzef>Please vv221, can you share it one more time, I have lost it previously
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14:47<vv221>The brightness script? Wait a bit, it’s on another computer ;)
14:48<vv221>tyzef, here you go: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1206264
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14:56<Michi>hello?
14:56<Michi>anyone here?
14:56<sney>nobody here but us chickens :)
14:56<sney>do you have a debian question?
14:56<Michi>I have debian 10
14:57<Michi>I am trying to install libglib2.0-doc
14:57<Michi>it tries to download http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glib2.0/libglib2.0-doc_2.58.3-2+deb10u2_all.deb
14:58<Michi>but it fails
14:58<sney>have you run 'apt update'?
14:58<Michi>yes
14:58<sney>,v libglib2.0-doc
14:58<judd>Package: libglib2.0-doc on amd64 -- jessie: 2.42.1-1; jessie-security: 2.42.1-1+deb8u3; stretch: 2.50.3-2+deb9u2; buster: 2.58.3-2+deb10u3; bullseye: 2.66.8-1; sid: 2.66.8-1; experimental: 2.68.3-1
14:58<sney>says it's up to 10u3 now.
14:59<Michi>that's the problem
14:59<Michi>my apt wants 10u2
14:59<Michi>I don't know how to handle that
14:59<user__>Topic: Solid State SATA Seagate: Failing on "LUKS" encryption Debian 10 install. Solution: I discovered that the SSD Baracuda works with "LUKS"; however the software that is installed on the other Seagates such as : SSD IronWolf & SSD Firecuda drives make it so the formatting process will fail and reject LUKS installation via Debian. So the best SSD is the Baracuda for "LUKS" via Debian 10.
15:00<sney>Michi: what does 'apt policy libglib2.0-doc' return? in a pastebin please
15:00<Michi>what is pastebin?
15:00<sney>like https://paste.debian.net/
15:00<mason>Michi: apt policy libglib2.0-doc | nv termbin.com 9999
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15:01<sney>if you paste multiple lines in #debian, the bot will kick you
15:01<sney>termbin also works, but the command is nc not nv
15:01<mason>and by nv I mean nc: apt policy libglib2.0-doc | nc termbin.com 9999
15:01<mason>that
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15:01<mason>Pesky v is right next to c. I always knew it was going to be trouble.
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15:02<Michi>https://paste.debian.net/1206266
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15:03<sney>Michi: what happens when you run 'apt update'?
15:04<Michi>https://paste.debian.net/1206267/
15:05<sney>does apt policy libglib2.0-doc show the correct version now?
15:05<mason>!frankendebian
15:05<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
15:06<sney>mason: 3rd party repos for a specific utility do not count as frankendebian
15:06<Michi>no, apt policy shows 10u2
15:06<mason>The actual Debian repositories are outnumbered there.
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15:07<Michi>so I have to remove all 3rd party repos?
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15:07<tyzef>Oh sorry, just now i see... vv221, by the way I was digging on dlt-daemon ! Don't know, maybe a good app on tracing daemons?
15:07<mason>Michi: Not necessarily, but commenting them out and working with a small clean set can sometimes be useful.
15:07<tyzef>Thank you vv221
15:07<mason>Michi: sney has a better handle on what you're doing so I won't divert you, but it's something to consider if you hit a wall.
15:08<sney>between chrome, vscode, mysql, nodejs, megasync, and sury php I don't think any of them is likely to break glib. but you may as well try disabling those repos for a moment to test.
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15:09<Sqrt{not}>don't you need to have "main" and "contrib" and "non-free" ?
15:09<sney>contrib and non-free are strictly optional
15:09<Sqrt{not}>at least main, maybe ??
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15:10<sney>main doesn't show in apt update output here
15:10<Sqrt{not}>don't you need it for apt update to work?
15:10<Sqrt{not}>oh, maybe I'm barking up an imaginary tree, I'll shut up
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15:12<Michi>https://paste.debian.net/1206269/
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15:13<Michi>https://paste.debian.net/1206270/
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15:13<sney>is your disk full?
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15:14<Michi>I have 9.4 GB free
15:14<sney>hrm. ok, move/rename /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin and try apt update again
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15:18<Michi>I renamed pkgchache.bin, apt update, apt policy, still 10u2
15:19<sney>ok, try a different mirror. instead of deb.debian.org, whichever one is for your country or close https://www.debian.org/mirror/list
15:20<sney>deb.debian.org uses a cdn which is usually reliable, but sometimes can misbehave
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15:24<Celelibi>Can any of you reach http://ftp.fr.debian.org/ ?
15:25<jmcnaught>Celelibi: I can not.
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15:25<sney>nor I (canada)
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15:26<vv221>ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED (from France)
15:26<Celelibi>erf
15:26<Celelibi>THanks
15:26<sney>ftp.fr.debian.org is an alias for debian.proxad.net. maybe proxad is having some issues
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15:27<Michi>I changed it to ftp2.de.debian... and now it works
15:27<Michi>thank you very much
15:27<sney>np
15:27<Celelibi>sney, I don't know. THe server answers the pings. Just not the httpd.
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15:36<EdePopede>telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
15:37<mason>Yeah, I tried from a couple points. Same.
15:37<mason>both ports 80 and 443 fwiw
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15:38<EdePopede>also downorjustforme
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15:59<EmleyMoor>I'm getting some errors trying to build kodi on a stable + backports box...
16:01<EmleyMoor>(Debian packages may not be satisfactory for my purpose, trying to find out for sure) - what displays on the screen from point of first error is https://paste.debian.net/1206273/
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16:09*tpfkaj looks for edgar.
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16:15<tpfkaj>any links to make a vpn with debian?
16:16<tpfkaj_>do ihave to use. the openvpn stuff?
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16:19<tpfkaj>nevermind.i think ifound this rockhoper one.
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16:23<jochum>tpfkaj: Wireguard, OpenVPN, StrongSwan (ipsec) and tinc i knew
16:24<jochum>know
16:24<tpfkaj>thanks jochum.
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16:24<tpfkaj>i would like to do the IKEv2
16:24<tpfkaj>this rockhopper looks good.
16:24<jochum>not sure which version StrongSwan does
16:24<jochum>ok
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16:25<jochum>Never used Wireguard myself, but I see some people realy liking it.
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16:26<tpfkaj>protocol?
16:26<tpfkaj>let me look.
16:28<Ganneff>rockhopper had last release 2017 - dont use.
16:28<Ganneff>wireguard is simple and easy to setup and good for most usages.
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16:30<jkc>IKEv2 can be a pain to set up. Wireguard is my recommendation for most use cases.
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16:31<tpfkaj>yes, but IKEv2 is what my proxy likes.
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16:31<tpfkaj>and i would LOVE to get away from it.
16:31<tpfkaj>so maybe this wiregaurd will work for me.
16:31<jkc>I find that statement a bit questionable.
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16:31<tpfkaj>thanks jkc
16:32<tpfkaj>what part?
16:32<jkc>That your 'proxy' is somehow preferential to IKEv2/IPsec.
16:32*tpfkaj eyes are squinting.
16:32<tpfkaj>IT is.
16:32<tpfkaj>---> garbage zyxel
16:32<tpfkaj>thats garbage.
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16:33<tpfkaj>and its what i have to use for tunnel junk
16:33<jkc>So, you mean a router.
16:33<jkc>Or, more correctly, gateway.
16:33<tpfkaj>sure. its a proxy though router.
16:33<jkc>Zyxel doesn't sell proxies.
16:33<tpfkaj>usg 60 . look it up.
16:33<tpfkaj>ok
16:33<tpfkaj>yu say tahhmato. and i say tomato.
16:33<tpfkaj>yum
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16:34<jkc>I say that you don't fully understand the components that you're dealing with.
16:34<tpfkaj>well i buy an icard. with junk.
16:34<jkc>Whichever pronunciation of tomato that happens to be.
16:34<tpfkaj>ah
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16:34<tyzef>vv221, after running, it says: USAGE: bibop.sh up|down [STEP]
16:34<tpfkaj>i have to lbuy IDP and content filter. which part do i not understand.
16:34<tpfkaj>its a proxy.
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16:35<jkc>Those aren't proxies.
16:35<jkc>That's what you don't understand.
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16:35<jkc>While the USG may have IPsec capability built in, that doesn't mean it's somehow going to filter out Wireguard traffic.
16:35<jochum>tpfkaj: it not a proxy, it a nat with statefull thing
16:35<tpfkaj>ok. well its a router. gateway
16:35<jkc>Anyway. Try wireguard.
16:35<tpfkaj>YES. ok
16:35<tpfkaj>thanks. (smiling)
16:36*tpfkaj sees lots of CISCO trained UTM
16:36<tpfkaj>uh.
16:36<tpfkaj>i am going for wireguard. since it does look like an easier set up. . TY
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16:42*tpfkaj still just looking at the stuff. ok jkc.
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16:52<tpfkaj>jkc. that gateway that i have has its own set up which they WANT you to use. its a walkthrough config.
16:52<tpfkaj>but IT. drops out constantly.
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16:57<vv221>tyzef, these are the usage instruction for this script ;)
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16:57<vv221>It takes one mandatory arguement, "up" or "down", telling it which way you want to change the screen brightness.
16:58<vv221>And an optional second argument, an number, that is how much of a brightness change you want.
16:58<vv221>The default value for this one is 15, appropriate for my screen but maybe not for yours ;)
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17:21<tyzef>vv221: It takes one mandatory arguement, "up" or "down", telling it which way you want to change the screen brightness. >>> so I have to define which key to use? I am now lost to be honest
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17:21<vv221>tyzef, the key binding would have to be done by another tool.
17:22<vv221>This script is only to give you a command to run to change the screen brightness.
17:22<vv221>Then I bind it to keys with xbindkeys.
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17:23<tyzef>Well, thanks
17:24<himesama>it has scrolled off for me, what does the script use to change brightness?
17:26<tyzef>Yes
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17:27<vv221>himesama, direct manipulation of /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness, cf. https://paste.debian.net/plain/1206264
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17:28<vv221>So its only requirements are prinf and cat ;)
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17:29<himesama>ah
17:29<vv221>(this is not designed as some general purpose tool, only something I quickly wrote for one of my laptops)
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20:35<snowyfox>Sorry, test test..
20:37<snowyfox>Okay so, umm. Does anyone here SSH to Debian from an Android tablet?
20:37<snowyfox>Not for temporary things, rather normal use
20:38<snowyfox>If so, is the user experience okay, with the tablet's keyboard? For the Linux console
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20:46<jochum>snowyfox: you have a particular question or just want to know other experiences ?
20:46<jochum>I work with a hot laptop on my feeds :)
20:47<snowyfox>Ah, sorry, um, just want to know other experiences..
20:47<snowyfox>And maybe ask what client they use..
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20:47<snowyfox>I am wondering about how to set it up, but I think I can figure it out
20:48<snowyfox>Though I might need to know more about Debian sysadmin, because now it's not just a webserver, have to open up an SSH port
20:48<snowyfox>Like, would I have to learn and configure my firewall..?
20:49<snowyfox>"hot laptop on my feeds" Hot laptop, and feeds..?
20:49<snowyfox>Buying a laptop is an option for me too, I can get one for $100
20:49<snowyfox>But I have tablets lying around, wanted to reuse them..
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20:54<jochum>snowyfox: i see i see
20:55<jochum>snowyfox: for me the best was to just start with something, learn howto get informations and get more informations
20:56<snowyfox>If I opt for that I have to study firewalls completely though..
20:56<snowyfox>not sure if I want to keep iptables and nftables syntax in my brain
20:57<jochum>I love shorewall
20:57<jochum>Maybe UFW works for you, not a friend of it.
20:57<jochum>shorewall is iptables based i believe
20:58<snowyfox>Wasn't UFW like, Ubuntu-specific..?
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20:58<snowyfox>..I might be mistaken.. And, there's systems on top of iptables..?
21:01<snowyfox>Also, does anyone know how to make aptitude load faster?
21:01<kenyon>judd: versions ufw
21:02<judd>Package: ufw on amd64 -- jessie: 0.33-2; stretch: 0.35-4; buster: 0.36-1; bullseye: 0.36-7.1; sid: 0.36-7.1
21:02<snowyfox>buu, it's there..
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21:03<himesama>snowyfox: iiuc iptables is a low level interface. all firewalls such as ufw gufw arno are on top of it or its equivalent.
21:04<himesama>if you choose a popular one, perhaps it will be rebased on top of nftables or whatever the new low level inteerface is
21:05<kenyon>!nftables
21:05<dpkg>[nftables] The user-space tools for administering <netfilter>, and successor to <iptables>. For usage examples, see http://wiki.debian.org/nftables. http://netfilter.org/ #netfilter on irc.libera.chat
21:05<himesama>also, firewalss deal with kernel interfaces that are not in those interfaces. such as /sys/...
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21:05<snowyfox>Higher level for level of indirectipon..
21:06<himesama>i found this well-written article motivating for abandoning the low level interface and using a higher level firewall: http://linuxgazette.net/114/keeling.html
21:06<himesama>(in this case arno which is written in and configured in shell so you can see the iptables calls when you use it if you want)
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21:11<himesama>snowyfox: you can use apt or apt-get which are probably faster
21:11<himesama>(but different)
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21:14<snowyfox>Usually when I open aptitude, it's because I'm browsing for packages..
21:14<snowyfox>I can use apt-cache, but
21:14<snowyfox>I think it lacks the syntax engine of aptitude..?
21:14<snowyfox>I mean the search
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21:15<snowyfox>I do usually just use apt if I know what I'd like to install..
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21:15<snowyfox>But. Everyone here uses laptops for Debian..?
21:15<snowyfox>Portable Debian, I mean..
21:17<himesama>apt has a bit of a search engine i hear. also there is axi-cache and dpkg -l
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21:20<jhutchins>himesama: There's also an interactive menued mode (I don't know which text engine).
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21:24<himesama>yes aptitude has a tui and dselect too i guess but i have not heard of speedups for aptitude
21:24<himesama>oh synaptic gui
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21:28<snowyfox>ah, dselect is still being maintained..
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21:29<snowyfox>How convenientっ It does get to the package browsing screen in under 2s
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21:29<snowyfox>I'll evaluate it..! Although, I have to learn a lot of new Japanese words if I don't want to LANG=C everytime..
21:30<himesama>you can use an alias / shell function
21:31<snowyfox>Mm, but politically that will make me rely on it being English
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21:31<snowyfox>It's better if I force myself to learn..
21:32<himesama>but aptitude didn't?
21:33<snowyfox>Aptitude is in Japanese, but I understand its words. And I'm familliar enough with it to not need to read the messages, outside of errors
21:33<himesama>oic, the issue is not the package descriptions but the tui itself
21:33<snowyfox>Like, I either use the menu interface, or I search for a package with / and n
21:34<himesama>i assumed the desriptions were in ja also
21:34<snowyfox>Neither of which need output any text you have to read
21:34<snowyfox>Mm, I do mean the TUI
21:34<himesama>i actually found dselect to be more intuitive than aptitude
21:34<himesama>but i think most people don't
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