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00:04<urk>I was away, and just got back.
00:04<urk>What I was trying to find out is if the instructions provided also apply to data already copied from an Apple drive to a PC?
00:07<jochum>urk: how did you copy?
00:07<urk>I don't recall. Its been a few days, but I had help from this channel.
00:08<jochum>urk: for copy you got help here?
00:08<jochum>same nick?
00:08<somiaj>urk: so this is just a hypothetical problem?
00:08<urk>yes. Let me research my nick messages.
00:09<somiaj>urk: If you copied the actual file to a *nix file system, then you can just control permssions. If you coppied some 'vault' or specail file type, you might have to deal with any issues with that file type.
00:10<jochum>urk: https://infobot.rikers.org/
00:11<jochum>urk: its not current... sorry
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00:12<somiaj>urk: can you provide more details on the exact issues you are having? What file is giving you an issue, what is its permissions, 'ls -l /path/to/file'
00:12<somiaj>also this is on ext4 or what file system?
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00:22<urk>somiaj: The exact issue I am having is that I can't access folders copied from an Apple drive to my PC. There is a big red "X" on each one, and I am having trouble getting the right Linux command to neutralize the security problem. ls -l ~/Documents/Mac shows there is permission, but apparently I need to do something else. The following URL reflects the folder permission on my computer, and also has info on how I copied the folders. Apparetly I used
00:22<urk>DD of a cloned drive http://paste.debian.net/1206488
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00:27<Sqrt{not}>urk, you must be willing to use command-line tools to address your problem. No graphical "big red X" approach is going to help you.
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00:28<somiaj>Also using language like folder is hard to follow, they are called directoires, we need to see the permission on the directory, 'ls -ld ~/Docments/Mac`
00:29<somiaj>well from that output it just appears they have some unknown user name/id (99) attached to them
00:29<somiaj>chown -R username.username ~/Documents/Mac should fix that issue
00:29<somiaj>where username is your main user, appears to be 'pdq'
00:29<urk>Sqrt{not}: the permissions are at the bottom of the URL I provided you.
00:31<himesama>personally, in order to cultivate a habit of preventing issues, i use the -h option to chown
00:31<himesama>(it might or might not be relevant here, just pointing it out)
00:32<himesama>(it's bitten me before that a symlink was followed)
00:33<somiaj>himesama: yea sounded like something you adopted due to a bad experience. I personally haven't had issues, and prefer the default behavior for my use case.
00:34<wysoft>did not know that chown follows symlinks... learned something new
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00:38<krion>Hello, I'm having trouble while testing migrate to bullseye with broadcom bnx2x. Either with fresh install from pxe or full-upgrade, I'm getting error while initiating nic interfaces
00:40<somiaj>you have firmware-bnx2x installed?
00:41<somiaj>care to share the error you are getting? Are you trying to bring up the device with 'ifup name'
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00:46<alex11>i'm having an issue with virt-manager where it freezes up when clicking to browse to find an iso
00:47<alex11>i can enter the path manually though
00:48<alex11>it might be an update thing, where i have outdated binaries somewhere, idk
00:48<somiaj>is it just virt-manager, to other gtk3 apps file browser open okay?
00:48<somiaj>could it be trying to access some drive/location that doesn't exist?
00:49<krion>somiaj: yes, firmware-bnx2x is installed, and was also used to build a custom linux/initrd in order to boot using pxe
00:50<krion>the error i'm getting in dmesg ar: bnx2x: probe of 0000:06:00 failed with error -22
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00:52<somiaj>krion: and this same card works fine in buster?
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00:58<jochum>urk: ok, so you have that raw image, any chance to uncompress it? AND was the computer secured by filevault?
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00:59<urk>Phone rang
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01:00<somiaj>jochum: from what they pated, my chown command should fix the issue
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01:02<krion>somiaj: same card works fine in stretch
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01:03<somiaj>krion: what about buster (current stable)? My suggestion was to be try the buster kernel, see if the 5.10 kernel has a regression with that card.
01:04<himesama>apparently it is some philosophical difference possibly related to bsd vs. sysv. personally i disagree with following symlinks for such commands. and so i agree with the default behavior of find, for example. --- 21:34 <wysoft> did not know that chown follows symlinks... learned something new
01:04<krion>i will try then
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01:07<jochum>somiaj: you mean for urk ?
01:07<somiaj>jochum: yea, they seemed to have coppied the files jsut fine, just ownwership is not setup correctly, chown -R username.username ~/Documents/Mac should fix urk's issue (from what they pasted)
01:08<jochum>kk
01:13<wysoft>himesama thats funny I typically use bsd and the -h option apparently exists there for that purpose... gnu chmod doesn't support it and the gnu man page doesn't say if -R follows symlinks... scary
01:14<wysoft>something I have never even thought about or was aware of
01:15<somiaj>the manual page here, "The following options modify how a hierarchy is traversed when the -R option is also specified." then descirbes -H, -L, and -P
01:15<somiaj>seems -P default is to not traverse. -H will traverse if it is the command line argument, and -L will traverse all
01:16<urk>ok. I'm back
01:17<wysoft>I don't see that on the chmod man on buster
01:17<somiaj>I'm looking at chown since that is the command I referenced.
01:18<wysoft>oh chown.. yeah oops not chmod. ok then
01:18<himesama>somiaj: but if it is on the command line woe be unto you
01:19<somiaj>"chmod never changes the permissions of symbolic links; the chmod system call cannot change their permissions. This is not a problem since the permissions of symbolic links are never used. However, for each symbolic link listed on the command line, chmod changes the permissions of the pointed-to file. In contrast, chmod ignores symbolic links encountered during recursive directory
01:19<somiaj>traversals.
01:19<somiaj>from the chmod manual page.
01:19<himesama>-h takes care of both normal -R and command line -R i THINK (not sure)
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01:20<somiaj>-h just makes it so chown affects the link (and not what it points to), might not affect traversing which would be different
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01:20<himesama>the man page in oldstable says it makes it not dereference also
01:21<himesama>oh you said that... traversing is different? but the "good" one is default but you make a good point.
01:22<urk>Tried changing ownership of the /Mac directory, but receive an error message http://paste.debian.net/1206508/
01:22<somiaj>basically -h allows you to change ownwership of the link, which maybe useful in some circumstances, though I don't think it is something that is needed by default.
01:22<somiaj>urk: that is not the command I gave you to use
01:23<somiaj>urk: chown -R username.username ~/Documents/Mac
01:23<himesama>i think it is safer to not dereference by default eve nif on comand line, because in the heat of sysadminning one might use xargs or something for example
01:23<urk>somiaj: Is username replaced with pdq?
01:23<somiaj>urk: If that is the user you want to own those files, yes
01:24<urk>ok
01:25<himesama>i would always want ownership of link changed therefore (and my debians allow that)
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01:30<somiaj>to me I rarely would want/need to change the ownwership of the link, so I like the defaults the way they are.
01:30<somiaj>And neither of them traverse links by default and basically ignore them unless specified ont he command line, and I do agree that xargs would cause problems, but often when used in combination with find, that nicely deals with traversing links too
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01:31<somiaj>but I think knowing the behavior is more important than what the defaults are, as seen here there will always be disagreement on that
01:32<urk>ok. It worked. The data is available. Unfortunately I wasn't able to find what I wanted.
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01:34<himesama>yeah it was a big surprise to me and seemed inconsistent to me
01:34<himesama>so i developed the habit is all and i am sure there is disagreement all over
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01:40<alex11>should i perform checksums (or whatever the term is to validate an image) on the debian .torrent when i download bullseye?
01:41<himesama>yes
01:42<himesama>there is a wiki page on verifying netinst etc.
01:42<alex11>yeah i guess it would be more important for that than if you got it directly from debian.org
01:42<alex11>now i think of it
01:43<himesama>if your gpg public keyring has debian developers in it and it is a recent and valid key, then you can verify it cryptographically
01:43<alex11>where's that wiki page?
01:43<himesama>gpg --verify whatever.asc or something
01:43<himesama>dunno
01:43<himesama>you can probably get debian developers key from the keyring included in a debian package that apt uses
01:44<himesama>so possibly no need for keyserver etc.
01:44<himesama>(assming it is not out of date)
01:45<himesama>the term is hash, but it is basicaly th same as a checksum
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01:52<krion>somiaj: I've tested right now. The problem doesn't appear on buster 4.19.0-17-amd64
01:53<krion>somiaj: not sure if it's some configuration missing or a plain bug
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03:24<tyzef>Hi guys, I have broke /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ by doing the following :
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03:26<tyzef>sudo cp -rf /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/45-evdev.conf
03:27<tyzef>What I actually wanted to is to adjust my touchpad sensitivity
03:28<tyzef>So I have installed xinput and then xinput-calibrator.... But xinput-calibrator not working saying :
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03:29<tyzef>Failed to execute child process "evte" (No such file or directory)
03:31<tyzef>Now on my thinkpad E430 touchpad doesn't work, only click but not showing options .... Rest of mouse operating like red spot and it buttons works
03:31<tyzef>But I suppose that's another device right?
03:32<tyzef>That's it
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03:33<jochum>tyzef: did you fix it?
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03:34<tyzef>No
03:34<tyzef>I guess I have broke my config files in /xorg.conf.d
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03:36<jochum>tyzef: want a copy of mine?
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03:36<jochum>tyzef: I can switch to my thinkpad
03:36<jochum>which is upstairs
03:37<tyzef>Let's try ! Please can you past your : ls /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/
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03:40<tyzefff>here on the thinkpad
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03:40<tyzef>Here is phone
03:41<jochum>tyzef: give me 2 minutes, i go up and come with the thinkpad
03:41<tyzef>Yeah no problem ! Here not hotline hehe
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03:43<yhoser>niao
03:43<tyzef>Yeah
03:44<yhoser>googld
03:44<jochum>tyzef: there I am
03:44<tyzef>Ok
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03:45<tyzef>Please can you first show your ::: ls /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/
03:45<jochum>tyzef: https://bpa.st/E3MA
03:46<tyzef>Arf.... Very different
03:46<tyzef>Wait I show you my
03:46<jochum>tyzef: I have to say I'm on debian testing/bullseye
03:47<jochum>I have a debian 10 VM somewhere, can show you these
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03:48<jochum>yhoser: niao ? I Know a very good song called that :)
03:48<tyzefff>jochum, https://paste.debian.net/1206514/
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03:49<colo>what does this command print for you? dpkg -S /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/45-evdev.conf
03:49<tyzef>Yeah jochum you can show, but itactually looks to be related with hardware
03:50<jochum>tyzef: i like colo's input
03:51<colo>once you know which package it is coming from, you should be able to fix your overwritten config file by running sudo rm /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/45-evdev.confl sudo apt install --reinstall -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" $thatpackage
03:51<jochum>https://bpa.st/X2MQ
03:52<colo>sorry, this here: sudo rm /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/45-evdev.conf; sudo apt install --reinstall -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" $thatpackage
03:52<tyzefff>colo, dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/45-evdev.conf
03:52<jochum>Was also thinking about reseting from apt/dpkg but didn't had the command in mind
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03:52<jochum>tyzef: why not just rm it?
03:52<tyzefff>lol
03:52<colo>ah so you did not overwrite any existing file(s)?
03:52<colo>then just delete it, yeah
03:53<tyzefff>ok
03:53<jochum>tyzef: then restart x .... i'm sure you know how.
03:54<colo>users are not supposed to touch /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/; that path is owned by the system/package manager - there's a mimicking directory tree in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ to deploy your changes to.
03:54<tyzef>rm done, now reboot
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03:54<jochum>tyzef: no need
03:54<tyzef>Oops
03:54<jochum>tyzef: switch to CTRL+ALT+F1 login then systemctl restart gdm/sdm/lightdm
03:54<tyzef>guys you rock !
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04:00<tyzef>Thank jochum and colo
04:00<colo>yw, and hf breaking your Debian installation in the future! ;D
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04:01<colo>(we've all been there, I guess)
04:02<jochum>colo: yeah :)
04:02<jochum>Lots of times
04:03<colo>it's a rite of passage ;)
04:05<jochum>had to google that one.... hahaha
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04:31<scorpion2185[m]>can I set an alias for `apt update && apt upgrade`?
04:31<scorpion2185[m]>I tried , command not found
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04:34<jm_>what exactly did you try?
04:34<scorpion2185[m]>i set an alias for that
04:34<jm_>how?
04:35<scorpion2185[m]>in bashrc , alias with only apt update works
04:35<jm_>bleh, give us exact alias line
04:36<scorpion2185[m]>behold my alias: alias auu='apt update && apt upgrade'
04:37<jm_>right, that is OK, but note that .bashrc is only read when bash is started, also:
04:37<jm_>!bashrc
04:37<dpkg>~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile, or just remove the comment that is placed before the already typed include line that Debian's ~/.bash_profile has by default. Ask me about <bash eternal history>.
04:38<scorpion2185[m]>why other alias works?
04:38<jm_>try opening a new terminal, or simply repeat the alias command in existing bash session
04:38<jm_>because they were there when bash started?
04:38<scorpion2185[m]>the error is apt update not found, auu "works"
04:40<scorpion2185[m]>I changed && to | and it works, but it does the commands together instead of update before
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04:42<scorpion2185[m]>!bash eternal history
04:42<dpkg>Sick of bash not recording your command history in your ~/.bash_history when you have multiple sessions? Try making a ~/.bash_eternal_history: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/543 Ask me about <bashrc> and <bashprompt>.
04:42<jm_>try «grep auu ~/.bashrc | od -t xa» and check the part after '
04:45<scorpion2185[m]>there are 3 '
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04:45<jm_>the alias line you pasted only has two
04:46<scorpion2185[m]>I thought in the output of od -t
04:46<jm_>put it on pastebin
04:47<scorpion2185[m]>https://paste.debian.net/1206528/, in bashrc after ' there is nothing
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04:48<scorpion2185[m]>is the link of "bash eternal history" broken?
04:49<Anarka>old old site :)
04:51<scorpion2185[m]>jm_: wtf now it s working
04:56<scorpion2185[m]>can I put spaces in the alias? like `apt something` for `apt update && upgrade?
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04:57<FLHerne>no
04:58<FLHerne>You can use a shell function like so https://superuser.com/a/105389
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05:19<Izty>Hello, I'm reading something that works only "if the host has been configured to present a terminal on /dev/ttyS1". I don't understand how to check if I have a terminal on /dev/ttyS1
05:20<Izty>`sudo screen /dev/ttyS1 115200` opens just an empty console, no login prompt or anything
05:20<grove>What are you reading?
05:21<Izty>grove: https://www.raptorengineering.com/coreboot/kgpe-d16-bmc-port-status.php
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05:25<grove>I don't think running a serial console is standard, and I haven't set that up since before systemd
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05:28<Izty>grove: Is there another way to access the host system from a BMC then?
05:30<grove>That depends on the BMC, but I think serial access is te most common
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05:30<Anarka>you tried sudo systemctl enable serial-getty@ttyS1.service and start it ?
05:31<Izty>grove: I don't understand, you said you don't think it's standard, yet you said it is the most common. Did I miss something?
05:31<Izty>Anarka: No, I'll try this :)
05:31<Izty>Anarka: How do I check that it works then? Should I get a login prompt with `sudo screen /dev/ttyS1 115200`?
05:31<Anarka>yep
05:32<Anarka>was just doing it on guests to enable virsh console
05:35<Izty>Anarka: Do I need to enable it or can I just start it to test it firt?
05:35<Izty>Anarka: I started it and still don't get a prompt. Here is what I did: https://dpaste.com/9GDW4LTK5.txt
05:35<Anarka>start it just to test
05:36<Izty>(my LVM virtual group is names vgubuntu but this is Debian)
05:36<Izty>I don't see anything on /dev/ttyS0 either
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05:37<grove>Itzy: It's two different sides. Linux distributions often don't have a console on ttyS1, but BMC's often (I think, it's been years since I worried about what a BMC could, these days I just follow a guide written by some of my colleagues when I need to use the BMC to access some hardware - but the most recent guide had 'console com2' as the step that would actually give a console, so I assume ...
05:37<grove>... it's serial)
05:38<grove>The logical conclusion being many linux distributions won't be accessible on a BMC if nothing is done
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05:43<Anarka>sorry Izty, with that you enable a serial console but you cant access it locally, remote it does work
05:47<Izty>grove: Ok :)
05:47<Izty>Anarka: Ok I'll try it!
05:53<Izty>Anarka: I get the same empty terminal from my BMC. Would you know how I could investigate?
05:55<Soliton>did you use /dev/ttyS0 as mentioned on the site you posted?
05:56<Izty>Soliton: Yes, I typed `screen /dev/ttyS0 115200` on the BMC's console
05:57<Anarka>you adjusted the systemctl command ?
05:57<Soliton>on the host side it should be ttyS1 according to the site.
05:57<Izty>115200 should be the correct baud rate, right? serial-getty@ttyS1.service seems to have ran `/sbin/agetty -o -p -- \u --keep-baud 115200,38400,9600 ttyS1 vt220`
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05:58<Soliton>might be worth to just start one on either though.
05:58<Izty>Anarka: On the host side I did `sudo systemctl start serial-getty@ttyS1.service`
05:58<Anarka>yeah i see..
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05:59<Izty>Soliton: What do you mean to start one on either? Start a serial console on the BMC's side?
06:00<Soliton>run getty on ttyS0 and ttyS1 on the host just to test.
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06:01<Soliton>and perhaps try to connect over ttyS0 and ttyS1 on the BMC.
06:01<Soliton>if neither works then whatever that site is talking about is not what you're doing, i guess.
06:01<Izty>Soliton: ttyS0 seems to be running on the host's side. `systemctl status serial-getty@ttyS0.service` says "loaded (/lib/systemd/system/serial-getty@.service; enabled-runtime; vendor preset: enabled)" and I can connect to this console fine with a serial to usb cable
06:02<Soliton>then that's not the one attached to your BMC i'd say.
06:03<Izty>Yes that would make sense
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06:07<Izty>On ttyS1 I see the same empty terminal, and on ttyS2, ttyS3 and ttyS4, I get "Sorry, could not find a PTY."
06:07<Izty>Would rebooting the host make sense?
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06:10<Izty>GRUB launches Linux with: "linux /vmlinuz-4.19.0-17-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/vgubuntu-root ro initrd=/install/initrd.gz initrd=/install/initrd.gz,console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200n8". I don't know if I need to adjust this line or maybe reboot since serial consoles seems to be related to the kernel..
06:10<Izty>I don't know..
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06:29<Soliton>perhaps see if pressing enter makes a login prompt appear.
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06:31<Soliton>otherwise it seems the serial connection between BMC and host doesn't work or isn't physically there. perhaps there is a BIOS setting needed for "internal serial port is redirected by hardware to one of the AST2050 serial ports"
06:32<gfxdeb>just seen live a data rot event
06:33<gfxdeb>how to confiugre my raid mirror so it will always read from both devices and report IO error
06:33<gfxdeb>(unless it was memory, well then my bad for not using ECC)
06:34<sussudio>you can run memtest
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06:41<gfxdeb>and for testing files on read?
06:43<jochum>gfxdeb: smart check maybe?
06:44<gfxdeb>not for diagnosing
06:44<gfxdeb>but, for everyday operation
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06:44<gfxdeb>when a block is read from md0, I want kernel to read from all the block devices in that mirror raid and compare it is same data, or else return I/O error
06:45<jochum>gfxdeb: your mirror is mdadm?
06:45<jochum>yeah
06:45<gfxdeb>jochum: yes
06:46<jochum>gfxdeb: this seems to help https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/28636/how-to-check-mdadm-raids-while-running
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06:46<gfxdeb>no, that is diagnosis
06:46<jochum>gfxdeb: the second answer is very interesting for you I believe
06:46<gfxdeb>is run from time to time, not for each sectore, before that sector is returned by kernel
06:47<jochum>gfxdeb: yes I know what you mean, did you read the second?
06:47<gfxdeb>the one with "echo check > /sys/block/md0/md/sync_action" ?
06:47<jochum>gfxdeb: the tar one
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06:48<jochum>gfxdeb: it not both devices but it nice
06:48<gfxdeb>tar c /dir/of/raid/filesystem > /dev/null " it does force the system to periodically verify that (almost) every file can be read successfully off the disk"
06:49<gfxdeb>well that is good to have, but that also is a periodicall health check, instead of checking during a sector read and returning sector only if confirmed to be same on all devices
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06:55<jochum>gfxdeb: I have nothing better for you
06:55<gfxdeb>Linux fails us once again
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06:56<jochum>gfxdeb: Install BSD
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06:57<gfxdeb>tbh it probably doesn't have that function either, does it. should be added to raid. require sector to be confirmed and verified as same on at least N devices or P percent of devices, before returning it from raid layer
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06:58<jochum>gfxdeb: or better install windows :)
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06:59<gfxdeb>yes, all OSes failed on this front
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07:00<gfxdeb>there's md integrit, but it is slow as hell esp on writes (checksums each sector before returning), while raid mirror offers nicer solution (since you want double space for recovery) tirpple mirror should read 3 and auto-correct if needed
07:00<gfxdeb>*could offer nicer
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07:05<itt788>incredible the number of debian related channels in oftc!
07:07<gfxdeb>one thing OFTC debian does right, is not requiring registration to talk. unlike libera chat (former Freenode)
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07:09<itt788>i need some info to setup my lilo to add the newly installed debian alongside my usual linux in my computer
07:09<itt788>gfxdeb: are you sure?
07:09<gfxdeb>in FB how exactly to increase font size?
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07:09<gfxdeb>itt788: about what? im sure I didnt registred here on OFTC, and I can talk
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07:10<itt788>gfxdeb: i configured long ago my irc client to automatically login in oftc too. I think it's because some channels were requiring it.
07:12<jm_>itt788: you could install bootloader in debian to its partition instead of MBR and chainload that from lilo, assuming it works if GRUB is chainloaded from lilo
07:14<itt788>jm_: i'd need to boot into debian to do that, isn't it?
07:16<jm_>itt788: not necessarily
07:16<jm_>!fixmbr
07:16<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
07:16<jm_>you can use similar approach as above
07:16<itt788>i don't know why /boot/grub/grub.cfg contains a lot of "insmod" while all modules needed at boot are statically included into the initrd at the time of making it.
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07:17<jm_>those are grub modules
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07:17<itt788>ook..
07:18<itt788>for the moment i just want to add debian to my lilo.conf;
07:19<itt788>i don't trust the os_prober from grub
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07:19<itt788>it created 6 or 7 entries for each linux it found on my hdd
07:20<gfxdeb>how to confirm my debian has and uses ECC checks? e.g. sometimes you have ECC ram chips, but mobo doesn't support it or something. how to be sure?
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07:20<gfxdeb>ecc ram
07:21<jm_>itt788: as in rescue options?
07:21<itt788>jm_: adding to my lilo.conf as a normal linux
07:21<itt788>not rescue
07:22<jm_>itt788: no I mean did grub create recovery options for each linux?
07:22<itt788>would this be enough?:
07:23<itt788>image=... initrd=... root=... label=... read-only?
07:23<otisolsen70>I have a debian device with both ethernet (eth0) and wifi (wlan0) both are configured and managed via NetworkManager (nmcli). When I boot the device up and it is connected to a network via eth0 and a preferred wifi is also available via wlan0, it connects to both. Problem is, though, that eth0 is not routed through to internet. And the route through eth0 gets Metric=100 and route through wlan0 gets Metric=101. So all internet connectivity
07:23<otisolsen70>fails, because it tries to go through eth0 and not wlan0.
07:23<itt788>i'm wondering were should i set the swap for resume ?
07:24<otisolsen70>Question: Can I make NetworkManager somehow check if there is actual internet connectivity (e.g. by curl'ing a URL or pinging a server) and if this fails, then increase the route Metric or something else to lower the priority of this connection?
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07:25<jm_>itt788: in debian it's in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume
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07:26<itt788>jm_: no need to re-make the initrd.gz?
07:27<jm_>itt788: you probably should if you edit that file
07:27<itt788>once /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume is modified?
07:28<jm_>yes
07:30<itt788>ok
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07:37<fernie>otisolsen70: or configure the wired connection "use this conenction only for resources on its network" ?
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07:38<otisolsen70>fernie, I want to use eth0 when it is *actually* routed through to internet.
07:39<otisolsen70>fernie, I thought NM would have built in connectivity checks for this type of stuff.
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07:39<fernie>it has connectivity check.. but dont think its that clever
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07:40<otisolsen70>fernie, well it certainly does "something". It seems that it has added 20000 to both connections just now. But then eth0 ends up with 20100 and wlan0 with 20101 so still not working.
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07:44<otisolsen70>fernie, https://paste.yt/p15671.html <--- this is output of "mcli monitor" after restarting NM with connectivity checks enabled. The wlan0 connection is a clean mobile connection that should "just work". And eth0 is on a non-router ethernet network. But appearently, it ends up with "limited" connectivity.
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07:47<itt788_>jm_: actually when booting into debian it seems i does not find the root filesystem
07:48<itt788_>it needs ext4, lvm ... modules
07:48<jm_>itt788_: make sure kernel gets correct root= parameter
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07:51<itt788_>there are various symlinks pointing to the same LV in /dev fron within my usual linux. The symlinks are based on uuid, label... i'm not sure these are reproduced by the debian kernel at boot time.
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07:52<itt788_>maybe those in /dev/mapper/myvg-mylv are those i should use.
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07:53<itt788_>currently i use those based on uuid in lilo.conf
07:54<jm_>I woulkd check what update-grub put in grub.cfg
07:55<jkc>It will in most cases use UUID= labels that, outside of the kernel command line, LILO won't understand.
07:56<itt788_>jm_: in grub.cfg it's /dev/mapper/myvg-mylv
07:58<jkc>itt788_: Did you create a separate /boot for Debian, or did it all go in LVM?
07:59<jm_>AFAIU itt788_is trying to boot debian from another linux
07:59<jkc>He's trying to boot Debian from LILO.
08:00<bremner>because?
08:00<jkc>/shrug
08:00<jkc>LILO has been dead for over five years.
08:00<otisolsen70>How do I configure an extra network alias interface with NetworkManager? Normally I would define a eth0:0 in /etc/network/interfaces with a static IP. How to do this with NM?
08:01<grawity>do you specifically need an "alias interface", or do you just need a second IP address
08:01<grawity>although I don't think NM supports DHCP and static addresses at the same time, if that's what you're looking for
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08:15<jkc>Turns out that NM does support dhcp and static secondary addresses. Neat.
08:15<grawity>that's good
08:15<grawity>how did you configure it?
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08:17<jkc>nmcli. Added an address and told it no when it wanted to switch to manual addressing.
08:18<jkc>I'd assume you could do the same via nmtui or the graphical interfaces.
08:18<jkc>This is a headless box.
08:18<otisolsen70>grawity, I think I need an alias iface as I need this to have a second network config and static ip address that is on a separate network. While the actual primary eth0 must get network config from dhcp
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08:19<otisolsen70>jkc, my box is headless too. Do you mind sharing the nmcli commands you used to test this?
08:20<jkc>nmcli c edit <if> ; set ipv4.address 10.0.0.1/24 (it will ask if you want to switch to manual addressing, say no) ; save ; quit
08:20<jkc>otisolsen70: To warn you, do not try to configure two different gateway IP addresses simultaneously.
08:21<jkc>That is an error.
08:21<jkc>It may LET you, but it's an error.
08:21<otisolsen70>jkc, how do I "save" this config done tihs way to a NM system-connection config file?
08:21<jkc>No clue.
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08:23<grawity>that's literally what `nmcli con edit` does in the first place
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08:24<otisolsen70>How does NM's connectivity test actually work? I have tried enabling this both manually as well as by installling this package network-manager-config-connectivity-debian (https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/375748/what-will-network-manager-config-connectivity-debian-do). It causes NM to do some checking. But I really do not see it have any effect on which NIC is being the primary connection...
08:25<grawity>it tries to fetch an HTTP URL through every NIC, checks if it succeeded and returned the expected text, and on failure adjusts that NIC's route metrics to make them lower-priority (i.e. adds 20000 to the metric)
08:25<grawity>you actually need to have a URL specified, which I *think* Debian doesn't by default (policy about not phoning back etc)
08:27<grawity>oh I suppose that's what network-manager-config-connectivity-debian does
08:29<jkc>I generally set mine to http://icanhazip.com/.
08:29<otisolsen70>grawity, yes. But I am not sure it actually tries this *per connection*. Rather it seems to try it once "globally". And if and if it succeedes then it just deems that connectivity is "full"
08:30<grawity>no, not in any reasonably recent version of NetworkManager
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08:31<grawity>I think it *used to be* a global check in early versions, though
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08:31<jkc>Whoops, didn't know that'd restart my system.
08:31<otisolsen70>grawity, I use 1.14.6-2+deb10u1
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08:38<otisolsen70>grawity, problem is, if I enable connectivity test by installing that package, then I end up with this routing table: https://paste.yt/p15674.html
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08:39<otisolsen70>In this case, I have a wlan0 that is connected via 4G and with a working connection. I *think* the problem is that NM does the connectivity test not specifically via wlan0 and thus it fails....
08:39<otisolsen70>One other problem: there seems to be two routes on eth0. And I am not sure why. One has metric incremented by 20k as expected. The other remains as 100. But I am not sure why there is even two routes on eth0
08:40<grawity>I can only suggest looking at networkmanager's system log
08:40<otisolsen70>grawity, I am looking at "nmcli monitor" is that whan you mean
08:40<otisolsen70>?
08:40<grawity>no, system log as in syslog, or these days `journalctl -b -u NetworkManager` (adjust service name if it's different on Debian)
08:41<grawity>you can make it log more via `nmcli gen log level debug`
08:41<jkc>otisolsen70: Just tested, connectivity tests per interface work just fine. The non-routed interface to which I added a fake gateway got deprio'd by 20000.
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08:43<otisolsen70>jkc, ok. Why would wlan0 fail then? I guess it fails because there is an eth0 route with metric=100. But I am not sure why this is there at all.
08:43<itt788_>jm_: that worked
08:43<jkc>Debian doesn't include a reachability check by default.
08:44<otisolsen70>jkc, yes, I know. But I installled the package mentioned above to enable it
08:44<jkc>I checked, there's no URL provided at all, so the reachability check is disabled AFAIK
08:44<jkc>At this point, just dump the configs for the interfaces you have in NetworkManager.
08:44<jkc>!paste
08:44<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>.
08:44<jkc>And paste em
08:44<otisolsen70>jkc, installing the package makes NM check using this URL: http://network-test.debian.org/nm
08:44<otisolsen70>jkc, it is multiple files. How to dump?
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08:45<jkc>One paste per, preferably.
08:45<jkc>Or you mean the nm files?
08:46<jkc>nmcli c show intf > intf.txt
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08:47<jm_>itt788_: cool
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08:51<otisolsen70>jkc, eth0.txt https://paste.yt/p15675.html
08:52<otisolsen70>jkc, wifi connection: https://paste.yt/p15676.html
08:53<otisolsen70>jkc, /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/eth0.nmconnection https://paste.yt/p15677.html
08:53<otisolsen70>jkc, the wifi network connection config: https://paste.yt/p15678.html
08:54<otisolsen70>jkc, NetworkManager.conf: https://paste.yt/p15679.html
08:54<otisolsen70>jkc, is this everything? Or did I miss something?
08:54<jkc>No, that's fine.
08:54<otisolsen70>jkc, route -n: https://paste.yt/p15680.html
08:55<otisolsen70>jkc, there are other wifi connections defined as well. However, they are not active as they are not present here.
08:56<otisolsen70>jkc, as you can see the 20k penalty is put on the wlan0 connection. Evern though this connection works perfectly fine if I connect from another device.
08:56<otisolsen70>jkc, I also think it works fine if I unplug the cable from eth0
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09:01<somiaj>krion: Sounds like a regression bug to me, 5.10 seems to have a few of them, since the only difference is the kernel between it working and it not working.
09:01<otisolsen70>jkc, does this make sense to you?
09:01<somiaj>krion: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel/GitBisect -- though use snapshot.debian.org first and try to track down what kernel patch caused the regression can really help fixing it when submitting a bug.
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09:05<otisolsen70>jkc, something interesting: I just did "curl --interface wlan0 http://network-test.debian.org/nm" and it fails because it cannot resolve DNS (times out on DNS). But if I do "curl --interface wlan0 1.1.1.1", I *do* get a response and this is clearly from internet. So could it be that NM fails due to DNS failing because it tries DNS over eth0?
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09:06<otisolsen70>jkc, I mean if NM tries to get a URL over wlan0, but that URL is first DNS resolved using eth0 then obviously it will always fail when eth0 is not working...
09:07<otisolsen70>jkc, on the wifi connection config, I already set this: "dns=1.1.1.1;8.8.8.8;
09:07<otisolsen70>" so I would think it would just use this DNS directly on this connection....
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09:13<otisolsen70>jkc, I tried configuring it to just get a URL without DNS. And then set up a public webserver just retuirning a static string "foo" when getting http://1.2.3.4 , where 1.2.3.4 is replaced with the actual public IP.
09:13<otisolsen70>jkc, then I restarted NM and now it says: Connectivity is now 'portal'
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09:16<otisolsen70>jkc, hmm... Appearently, it cannot just be any string. I just changed it to this URL: uri=http://8.43.85.25/check_network_status.txt
09:16<otisolsen70> and now it seems to work....
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09:23<otisolsen70>jkc, is there any way to force NM to use DNS on the actual device it is checking? (NM not doing that seems like a bug to be honest)
09:24<rawi>Hi everybody! I'm the first time here. Is it OK to ask a question being already on Bullseye?
09:25<vv221>rawi, we have a channel for Bullseye question: #debian-next
09:25<otisolsen70>rawi, testing/unstable: #debian-next
09:25<vv221>(beware that it seems to require nick registration to talk, unlike this channel)
09:26<rawi>otisolsen70: thank you. I'm going there then
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09:34<rawi>vv221, yes indeed I'd need a registration for #debian-next
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10:01<otisolsen70>jkc, if you get back at some point and have an idea on how to solve the connectivity check/dns problem, please let me know. I may be AFK for a while but will eventually read it if my nick is mentioned.
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10:41<scorpion2185[m]>I checked the laptops one can't use multi-fingers it is really hard, and other I don't think that has that feature (bs it's old) but side scrolling "button" doesn't work
10:43<diogenes_oftc>scorpion2185[m], for the old one, try xserver-xorg-input-synaptics driver instead of the default xserver-xorg-input-libinput.
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10:48<scorpion2185[m]>I installed it and now?
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13:56<scorpion2185[m]>diogenes_oftc: any advice for that pkg?
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13:58<sarnold>scorpion2185[m]: probably diogenes_oftc was thinking of apt install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg-input-libinput- and then restart
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15:32<_234>!wwbr
15:32<dpkg>Debian "Bullseye" is the current testing branch as of 2019-07-06 and it will be released "when it's ready." Release day we're working to currently - as discussed in various mailing lists is August 14th 2021. There's a hard freeze from July 17th with only the most urgent security fixes after that date. The main CD builder died - all disks failed at once, so the current target is August 14th, or even later.
15:32<enyc>giggle
15:33<enyc>interestin
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15:46<scorpion2185[m]>died?
15:47<bremner>keep reading...
15:48<sarnold>heh, is this yet another raid card that went on vacation?
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15:48<scorpion2185[m]>all disk failed at once
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15:48<sney>amacater said something about a disk firmware bug
15:48<sveta_>тут говорят на русском?
15:48<bremner>!ru
15:48<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.oftc.net) - debian-russian@lists.debian.org
15:49<sney>but if they're still sticking to august 14, 10 days from now, the service must have revived
15:49<scorpion2185[m]>`The root user has their own crontab` is the plural "their" a form of respect or am I missing something?
15:50<sarnold>scorpion2185[m]: that's a use of singular 'they'
15:50<sney>that would be a singular nonspecific they
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15:54<scorpion2185[m]>never heard of it before, it can also be a form of respect for root
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15:55<imMute>scorpion2185[m]: it's not really respect, just a genderless "they". he/she/they his/hers/theirs
15:55<sney>it's common pronoun usage in english. if you are referring to a general example of a singular person, you use the pronoun 'they' because you do not know the specific one.
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15:56<sney>you could change it to "the root account has its own crontab" and this would mean the same thing, but it's clear as is
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15:57<bremner>and "it" is rude for people, if not neccesarily for accounts
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15:59<scorpion2185[m]>`Additionally, more and more drivers use dynamic values for devices’ major/minor numbers,`
15:59<scorpion2185[m]>devices's is only devices' so?
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16:00<Konomi>scorpion2185[m]: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/their #2 explains single their btw
16:01<Konomi>singular*
16:01<scorpion2185[m]>Konomi: thanks I did already some searches
16:01<imMute>scorpion2185[m]: "device's" is singular possessive. "devices'" is plural possessive
16:01<sney>there are a few different accepted styles for apostrophes, with devices' for a plural as one of them
16:01<sney>plural possessive, that is, yeah
16:02*sney accepts all variants except chicago
16:02<Konomi>devices is already plural so devices' isn't applicable
16:02<imMute>Konomi: it's devices' not devices's
16:02<scorpion2185[m]>imMute: no read it again
16:02<scorpion2185[m]>`devices’`
16:03<imMute>I don't see what you mean...
16:03<sney>the major/minor numbers, plural, belonging to the devices, plural.
16:03<sney>strunk and white would say to write it as devices's, but either one is fine
16:04<jhutchins>Um, maybe this belongs in #highschool-english
16:04<jhutchins>It doesn't belong here.
16:04<imMute>agreed.
16:04<sney>if you want to go looking for grammar errors in debian documentation, there are far more egregious examples out there
16:04<scorpion2185[m]>it may be a typo for the handbook
16:05<imMute>scorpion2185[m]: it's not a typo.
16:05<scorpion2185[m]>i mean it could have been, so you can omit the s for plurals
16:06<bremner>scorpion2185[m]: maybe find an area where you are expert to contibute? It seems English is not it.
16:06<imMute>apparently someone thinks "devices's" would be acceptable, but I had it bashed over my head that "...s's" is never acceptable.
16:06<imMute>(someone being strunk and white, whoever they are)
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16:07<Konomi>there's always #debian-offtopic
16:07<scorpion2185[m]>bremner: yes since I am reading it if I found something I report it but for grammar I should ask elsewhere
16:07<scorpion2185[m]>indeed
16:08<scorpion2185[m]> * bremner: yes since I am reading it if I find something I report it but for grammar I should ask elsewhere
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16:09<sney>Random House also prefers nouns's over nouns', and that's all the style guides I have on hand ;)
16:10<sarnold>I've seen some say it is different for biblical names, "moses' boat" vs "moses's boat" though I think most often people rewrite it to "the boat of moses" to avoid the question entirely
16:11<sney>right, that's strunk and white. 1 sec,
16:11<sney>https://i.ibb.co/fN0C9J9/image.png
16:12<sarnold>oh very handy
16:12<mason>mosesses
16:12<sarnold>mine is in a bookshelf somewhere
16:12<sarnold>masones idea is great
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16:50<jhutchins>Guys, you've really gone totally offtopic. We have a channel for that: #debian-offtopic.
16:52*sney reaches over and turns jhutchins's timestamps back on
16:56<_234>yeah for a minute I wasn't sure if I was on #debian or #English/#Grammar!
16:59<sney>it *was* in context, with someone trying to understand specific language stuff in the debian administrator's handbook. we did get a little into the weeds, but it was over more than 35 minutes ago.
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17:01<jhutchins>Granted.
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17:20<lilideb>Hello guys
17:20<lilideb>I just installed snap + spotify. And its installed but i cant figure out how to start spotify?
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17:21<lilideb>whats the equivilant of like "run spotify.exe" ?
17:22<tristero>in my desktop environment, it's under Applications > Multimedia. Or you can just type "spotify &" to the shell
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17:24<lilideb>It doesnt show up under multimedia, but i can find the "Install folder" but theres no executable inside there
17:24<lilideb>whats the full command for "spotify &"?
17:25<lilideb>shell spotify & - didnt work
17:25<imMute>lilideb: type "spotify &" in the shell exactly as written
17:25<lilideb>shell = terminal?
17:25<grove>If it is to make any sense that he said he installed "snap + spotify", I guess he has spotify in a snap container?
17:25<imMute>lilideb: not really, but yes.
17:25<lilideb>grove: correct
17:26<lilideb>because in terminal the command spotify & isnt recognized
17:26<IdontKnowMyName>hi guys, i have a problem with haveged algorithm on a raspberrypi 3b+ running kali linux and i looked all over the net and cant find any answer. can someone plz help? i get sig=31 exit code from systemd and then the system goes to emergency mode. any help plz?
17:26<gdb>spotify is probalby in /snap/bin and can also be run with "snap run spotify" or what the others are saying "spotify &" at a command prompt.
17:26<imMute>!give IdontKnowMyName kali
17:26*dpkg gives IdontKnowMyName kali
17:26<jkc>IdontKnowMyName: You don't need haveged.
17:26<lilideb>s
17:26<imMute>ffs.
17:26<lilideb>snap run spotify
17:26<jkc>Or its Kali.
17:26<lilideb>[0804/232633.065900:FATAL:gpu_data_manager_impl_private.cc(445)] GPU process isn't usable. Goodbye.
17:26<lilideb>Trace/breakpoint trap
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17:27<imMute>!kali
17:27<dpkg>Kali Linux https://kali.org/ is a security/penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but is different enough that we don't provide support in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.libera.chat or https://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian> and read https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html
17:27<imMute>IdontKnowMyName: ^^
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17:28<lilideb>sorry for pasting
17:28<gdb>Check for a /snap/bin/spotify (it may not be called spotify but something similar like say, desktop-spotify-app.
17:29<gdb>lilideb: You're a bad person for pasting, and you should feel bad.
17:29<IdontKnowMyName>dpkg: do you mean that the error is more likely because of the kali OS and not because of debian or the haveged service itself?
17:29*dpkg wonders why we should do you mean that the error is more likely because of the kali OS and not because of debian or the haveged service itself
17:29<gdb>lilideb: (j/k) ;-)
17:29<grove>I don't know anything about snap, and nowadays I use a script for launching spotify, but (from before I got that script) I remember it being quite simple to start
17:29<lilideb>haha :) im looking around all the directories, but cant find any way to "run" it.. very strange
17:29<grove>!pate
17:29<imMute>IdontKnowMyName: dpkg is a bot. and yes, it's likely something Kali did that we (being debian users) don't know about.
17:30<grove>!paste
17:30<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>.
17:30*grove wonders why dpkg didn't tell me it didn't understand my typo
17:30<lilideb>damn this.. ill go the oldschool mp3 way
17:31<Sqrt{not}>IdontKnowMyName, seek help in the libera IRC channel that dpkg told you, or else in the kali forums
17:31<lilideb>how do i completely remove applications? im not a total novice i just booted up my first real linux dedicated PC. I will remove this snap and spotify
17:31<IdontKnowMyName>inMute: thanks. maybe you can direct me to where or how i can learn about the exit codes of haveged or systemd or how i can try to figure out what i did wrong? or i should ask the kali comunity just?
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17:32<jkc>IdontKnowMyName: Kali community in general, but you don't need haveged.
17:32<IdontKnowMyName>ok. thanks guys:)
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17:35<himesama>maybe i missed relevant scrollback but apt-get purge or apt purge will remove /debian per se packages/ which are the usual --- 14:31 <lilideb> how do i completely remove applications? im not a total novice i just booted up my first real linux dedicated PC. I will remove this snap and spotify
17:35<somiaj>that would probably work for snap, but spotify was installed by snap, so you need to use snap to remove it
17:35<lilideb>thanks hime, how do i unstall it by snap somiaj?
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17:36<somiaj>I don't use snap, but there is probably a snapd remove or something command
17:38<lilideb>seems like the installation of spotify somehow messed up because its failing to uninstall too. Will straight up delete folders work the same or will there still be loose ends left?
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17:42<jhutchins>lilideb: Was it an official Debian package?
17:42<jhutchins>,v spotify
17:42<judd>No package named 'spotify' was found in amd64.
17:42<jhutchins>!spotify
17:42<lilideb>no it wasnt, alot of trouble to get it for deabian apparantly
17:42<lilideb>but spotify themselfes provide solutions
17:43<lilideb>but i think some of the links were dead
17:43<lilideb>then i tried via snap
17:43<lilideb>and here we are, now i just wanna get rid of both. all traces of them
17:43<lilideb>made my clean new OS dirty!!!
17:43<lilideb>with loose files
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17:44<jhutchins>It looks like they've built it for Ubuntu - and this is one of the traps of installing ubuntu packages on debian.
17:45<jhutchins>lilideb: You can try re-installing, and maybe fixing any problems the installer has, then uninstalling.
17:45<lilideb>do you know if i just can delete the whole snapfolder?
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17:45<lilideb>will there still be leftovers that may cause tgrouble with other applications down the line?
17:45<jhutchins>lilideb: Oh, I see it's the snap you seem to be having trouble with.
17:45<himesama>lilideb: one question is what snap does with debian. does it use any of debian's classic diretories? or does it have its own? such as under /opt or something?
17:46<lilideb>its both actually. it has a own bin folder at least
17:46<lilideb>inside the snap folder
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17:46<jhutchins>lilideb: Isn't the whole point of snaps that the installation is self-contained? I would think simply deleting whatever snap did would fix it.
17:46<jhutchins>Worst that you could do is break snap.
17:46<himesama>lilideb: it isn't both if it is its own
17:47<lilideb>yes i dont actually want snap at all, i just thought what the hell it seems easy to get spotify since the official debian release seem to have dead links.
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17:47<lilideb>hutchins: i just know snap is some kind of package handler or something, basically install things easier
17:47<lilideb>maybe im even wrong
17:48-!-mode/#debian [+l 967] by debhelper
17:48<lilideb>cant find snap in application finder also
17:48<himesama>n.b. if you use same nick as your target, then your target will be highlighted. if you sa, say, lili instead of lilideb it probably won't
17:50<lilideb>i dont follow hime?
17:50<lilideb>i mean i know about sensitivity with keys
17:50<lilideb>but i dont understand what you mean
17:50<himesama>hime won't alert me
17:50<lilideb>ahaaa
17:50<lilideb>you mean in irc
17:50<lilideb>himesama
17:51<himesama>yes
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17:52<lilideb>hmm i cant delete "snap" folder in "File System" ?
17:52<lilideb>or can i do it by terminal as sudo?
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17:53<himesama>probably if you use terminal we will know what you are talking about, but we might get confused about what file manager you are using if you use one
17:54<lilideb>File manager is just the stock one that come with Debian 10 latest release
17:54<lilideb>himesama, do you know the command for deleting folders by terminal?
17:54<Sqrt{not}>lilideb, but it depends on which desktop environment you installed
17:54<lilideb>xfce
17:55<himesama>very dangerous: rm -r. safer: rmdir for an empty one. safer: mv to move or rename.
17:56<lilideb>rmdir path/to/FOLDER ?
17:56<lilideb>rmdir = remove dir i suppose?
17:56<himesama>also try putting '' around the thing to delete
17:56<lilideb>path/to/"folder" ?
17:57<lilideb>to highlight that i want specifically THAT one gone
17:57<himesama>no to make sure you don't get little shell tricks fooling the command, such as globbing* or spaces
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17:58<himesama>(if it has ' already then you have to do other stuff)
17:58<TobiX>dpkg: snap
17:58<dpkg>Snaps are cross-platform app packages. Considered third-party and not supported in #debian, but can be a low-impact way to install software not found in the debian archive, without creating a <frankendebian>. https://snapcraft.io. See <flatpak>, <appimage>
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17:58<lilideb>dont ever install snap guys
17:58<TobiX>lilideb: I personally would suggest flatpak
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17:59<lilideb>tobix> for installing outside debian software?
17:59<TobiX>lilideb: Shouldn't "apt-get purge snapd" remove snap and all snap packages?
17:59<lilideb>tobix i will try it
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17:59<lilideb>omg hahahaha
17:59<lilideb>it worked
17:59<lilideb>that was way fast
18:01<lilideb>but i still have a filthy empty "snap" folder now in my System files.
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18:04<lilideb>and now i got the folder away too, thanks himesama and tobix
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18:08<lilideb>are there any cool things to install for Debian 10?
18:08<pono>`sl`
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18:09<lilideb>sl?
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18:09<pono>`apt install sl`
18:09<pono>it's a cool program :)
18:09<vv221>An anti-typo console program ;)
18:09<lilideb>tnx will check it out!
18:09<vv221>(even better if you use fullscreen terminal on very wide screens…)
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18:10<pono>hah, now i need to try it on one of those 21x9 screens
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18:10<vv221>I would suggest https://packages.debian.org/buster/play.it as the coolest thing available on Debian Buster, but as its original author and main developer I might be slightly biased ;P
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18:11<lilideb>i installed it haha now what?
18:11<lilideb>vv221> i will check it out
18:11<nulix>pop up a console and type sl
18:11<vv221>lilideb, now you can use your console as usual, and wait until you do a typo whent trying to call `ls` ;P
18:11<nulix>hit sl and watch it going
18:12<lilideb>nulix> hahaha nice
18:12<vv221>(the ./play.it suggestion was mostly made as a joke, it is only useful for video game players)
18:12<lilideb>do you guys know more of that stuff? or other old thing
18:12<vv221>(and as some self-advertisement of course)
18:12<lilideb>vv221> oh okay, im not going to game on this rig :)
18:12<nulix>fortune
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18:13<nulix>fortunes
18:13<vv221>I was going to suggest https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/cool-retro-term, but it seems it is only available in Debian repositories starting with Bullseye.
18:14<lilideb>`i find many ressults for fortunes, wich one?
18:14<nulix>apt-get install fortunes
18:14<lilideb>vv221> good one, im gonna see if anything will work for me
18:16<lilideb>nulix> how do i run it after install?
18:16<nulix>fortune
18:17<lilideb>ahh nice one
18:17<nulix>cowsay
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18:19<pono>`fortune | cowsay` a classic
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18:20<TobiX>vv221: Only about one more week! (fingers crossed)
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18:22<drake>can somebody help me install wine on kali linux?
18:22<vv221>!kali
18:22<dpkg>Kali Linux https://kali.org/ is a security/penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but is different enough that we don't provide support in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.libera.chat or https://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian> and read https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html
18:23<vv221>On Debian, it would be as simple as running `apt install wine`.
18:25<nulix>bye pple
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18:33<lilideb>are there any good protection to get for debian 10? Like firewall/virus tool
18:33<drake>ty
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18:37<amacater>lilideb: There's lots of suggestions on how to implement a firewall in Debian. ufw is one approach. Building nftables rules
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18:39<amacater>is another. Antivirus is generally not very useful unless you are running a large mail host. rkhunter / chkrootkit / clamav are all available.
18:39<lilideb>`Anyone tried the PC-98 emulator?
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18:45<lilideb>Xnp2 anyone tried it on debian?
18:45<lilideb>http://www.nonakap.org/np2/
18:46<himesama>lilideb: use a file integrity checker and wrap it around your update script
18:46<himesama>integrit, aide, samhain, etc.
18:47<himesama>run before upgrade, upgrade, run after upgrade
18:47<himesama>i think samhain has such integration built in but it is seemed overly complex to me
18:48<lilideb>yes we only want lightweight stuff, for the most part
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18:50<lilideb>can someone figure out the correct command here? Since i cant read the japanese chars, im not sure how to make this code up. What yall think? https://paste.debian.net/1206608/
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18:52<himesama>the ja is just "version or [something]"
18:53<lilideb>ahh i see
18:53<himesama>the angle brackets are just their metasyntax
18:53<lilideb>just the numbers
18:53<lilideb>build number of the file
18:55<himesama>kind of obvious, but you asked about security. installing random non-debian stuff isn't always secure. :)
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19:49<demosdfd>hi
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19:54<fl1p>hello. anyone here already had some problem with xrandr detecting hdmi connections? here, xrandr doesnt show any hdmi connection. I have one of those hybrid graphic cards that uses nvidia optimus, so the best that I could do so far to use hdmi was to force the use of nvidia cpu as the wiki explains https://wiki.debian.org/NVIDIA%20Optimus#NVIDIAPrimaryGPU
19:54<fl1p>am I missing something here? what should I do ?
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20:22<jmcnaught>fl1p: a little while ago someone here had a Lenovo Ideapad whose HDMI port only worked if the computer was booted in UEFI mode, not in BIOS mode.
20:23<sarnold>interesting
20:23<fl1p>jmcnaught: im already in UEFI. tho, Ive disabled secure boot but had no success
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