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00:37<jochum>spawacz: pcspkr is the piep thing in your comp
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01:58<artur>Im looking (this is only begining whith open source) for pleace where I can archiwize files...
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02:01<artur>have got idea for mya story and this is very good writing machine but I cant save may work
02:04<Local_Kings>Your files won't save or you need archiving software?
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02:05<hgupta20>hello
02:05<Local_Kings>Hi
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02:05<hgupta20>where are you from
02:05<Local_Kings>let's go to #debian-offtopic
02:06<hgupta20>i want to understand programming language
02:06<Local_Kings>What language?
02:06<hgupta20>computer language
02:07<Local_Kings>I understand, but what language? C, Python?
02:07<hgupta20>java
02:08<Local_Kings>I think we should go to #debian-offtopic, if you want to learn Java, there are many tutorials and books
02:09<hgupta20>name them
02:09<hgupta20>book of name to understand best way
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02:16<alex11>they left, but for future reference i think o'reilly is sort of the benchmark for programming books
02:22<artur><Local_Kings> emelFM I will checked its interesting to be kind of blu
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04:19<scorpion2185[m]>how can I add the games path to PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" ?
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04:20<jpw>export PATH="<newdirectory>:${PATH}"
04:21<jpw>put that in your ~/.profile
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04:21<scorpion2185[m]>but how can I add it to that pat?
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04:21<jpw>you mean automatically on login?
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04:23<jpw>either you can modify the PATH variable in /etc/profile.d/ that will apply the configuration for all users or in ~/.profile that will apply it to one
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04:23<scorpion2185[m]>how can i add it to that path?
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04:24<jpw>im not sure i understand what you're trying to achieve. how will the final solution look to you?
04:24<scorpion2185[m]>I added it to .profile but it is not always read, so I also added it to .bashrc. But I would like to add it in THAT path
04:25<scorpion2185[m]>I am not sure how add it there, this have it: PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games"
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04:27<jpw>to my understanding .profile should be read whenever an interactive session is requested. it's where i've always put local modifications to my environment and it works for me (tm)
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04:29<scorpion2185[m]>with also .bashrc it works , but how can I add it here: `PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin"` ?
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04:34<scorpion2185[m]>IS this right `PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games`?
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04:35<jpw>`export PATH="/path/to/game/directory:${PATH}"
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04:37<scorpion2185[m]>I am trying to add it in /etc/profile
04:37<scorpion2185[m]>So no need to source extra things by default you have it
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04:38<scorpion2185[m]>This is the one with games: PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games"
04:38<scorpion2185[m]>This is the one without: PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin"
04:39<scorpion2185[m]>So I thought: PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games" to add games to the one without
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04:41<jpw>and why do you think that doesn't work?
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04:42<scorpion2185[m]>Maybe I missed something so I asked confirmation, should I try so?
04:43<bentham>scorpion2185[m]: What happens when someone here promises that something will behave in a certain way, and then it doesn't?
04:44<bentham>Worse still, what if your security depends upon it behaving in a certain way, and then it doesn't?
04:44<bentham>I don't think you'll find many promises on this channel.
04:45<bentham>But if I wee you, I would indeed try the PATH setting that you suggestred, and see what happens.
04:47<scorpion2185[m]>Since I never used those PATH I could have done some trivial error
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04:47<scorpion2185[m]>Simply adding games shouldn't affect security that's why I leave the rest untouched
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04:49<scorpion2185[m]>What happens when someone promises?
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04:53<bentham>scorpion2185[m]: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/promises/
04:53<bentham>enjoy
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05:38<scorpion2185[m]>Someone said gnome games are designewd for normal users, but that's not true . Root was only missing the path
05:38<scorpion2185[m]>For some reason .profile is not read . NOw from tty it is read maybe is lightdm with autologin so?
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05:50<echoSMILE>Hi. Not sure if bug or not. If at xfce network manager at ipv6 settings I set "ignore" at "method" and debian is not able to use ipv4 stack, debian use ipv6 even if "ignore" is set. Any idea ?
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05:52<scorpion2185[m]>why PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games didn't work?
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06:07<aloo_shu>forgot to export the variable?
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06:14<shtrb>What ipv6 notations krdc usses ? I tried user@a:b:c:d:e:f:g:h and user@[a:b:c:d:e:f:g:h] even just a:b:c:d:e:f:g:h and [a:b:c:d:e:f:g:h] and even abcdefgh all fail with syntax error (connection via rdesktop works fine)
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06:40<scorpion2185[m]>alex11: It seems that lightdm is the problem, .profile is not read I select GNOME on xorg and it loads X11, and that path works on tty.
06:40<alex11>yeah IIRC lightdm does have that issue
06:40<scorpion2185[m]>IIRC?
06:41<scorpion2185[m]>doesn nodm have a lockscreen?
06:41<alex11>If I Recall Correctly
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10:26<BI4PBV>hi
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10:28<Sqrt{not}> hi BI4PBV
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10:30<BI4PBV>I come from China. What about you?
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10:33<scorpion2185[m]>when using a tty session can I lock the screen?
10:33<scorpion2185[m]>wiht gnome or other GUIs
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10:35<vv221>Here I do not use a GUI login manager, I start my sessions from a tty with `startx`. But I do not use a screen locker either, instead I put the laptop in hibernation with a keryboard shortcut.
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10:35<vv221>Since I use encrypted partitions, a password is required to get it out of hibernation.
10:36<scorpion2185[m]>same here
10:36<vv221>Effectively replacing a screen locker, at the cost of a bit of energy waste when booting the system out of hibernation.
10:36<scorpion2185[m]>but it's slower
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10:37<vv221>By a tiny margin, not significant enough for me to bother ;)
10:37<amacater>scorpion2185[m] - vlock
10:38<vv221>It takes longer to enter my passphrase than the rest of the boot process combined.
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10:39<scorpion2185[m]>amacater: it works with tty without a loaded GUI
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10:41<scorpion2185[m]>but if you are using apt or something if you hibernate, the pc stops, while lockscreen doesn't stop it
10:42<vv221>I do not run unattended tasks on my laptops, so not an issue I have ;)
10:43<vv221>(the server is there for anything to run without supervision)
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10:46<amacater>vlock works on a standard TTY
10:46<amacater>so console - no gui.
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10:53<scorpion2185[m]>doesn nodm have a lockscreen?
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13:09<User90212>Greetings. I am on a fresh debian 10 install with Firefox 78.12.0esr. I need to access a website with an "incomplete" SSL certificate validation chain, but firefox won't download the extra certs required to "bridge" the chain and allow for the connection to take place. Firefox on Windows can connect to the site in question just fine.
13:09<User90212>The missing CA is "GEANT OV RSA CA 4"
13:10<User90212>(it is then supposed to bridge the chain with "USERTrust RSA Certification Authority", which AFAIK is in the trust store). Any ideas what switch I need to flip?
13:11<User90212>For the obvious reasons, I would rather avoid downloading and enrolling weird intermediate CAs in my trust store ;)
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13:15<ansgar>User90212: Configure the webserver to include all necessary intermediate certs, that is, the GEANT cert.
13:15<User90212>ansgar: I'm sorry, I am not the site admin
13:15<User90212>I am an end user trying to access the site
13:16<User90212>I can access it from windows, so I guess the windows version of mozilla's NSS somehow downloads the required intermediate certs..?
13:17<ansgar>You might have visisted a site that was correctly configured. I think Firefox stores intermediate certs it has seen before.
13:17<User90212>Do you have any idea on how I can find a site that has the GEANT IC?
13:18<User90212>Oi nevermind, geant's site did the job just fine
13:19<User90212>I accessed https://www.geant.org/ , which serves a cert which has the GEANT IC in the chain, and now I can access the misconfigured site just fine.
13:20<User90212>ansgar: Thanks for the hint, you saved me hours of frustration
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13:25<plaur>anyone using zram on bullseye? i made an upgrade on someone else's machine and that zramctl displays something like 24K data and 20K compressed, although the system had swapped around 127MB to /dev/zram0
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13:26<plaur>saw that ^ - with both lz4 and lzo-rle as compressors. i should have looked at the kernel number in /sys/zram0, but had to leave early :(
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13:55<jpw>User90212: you learned about certificate chain caching the hard way. It would be worth pinging a message to the website support team along with a qualys report
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13:56<jpw>https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/
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14:40<scorpion2185[m]>vv221: xtrlock!!!!!
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14:48<scorpion2185[m]>encryption,nodm (or no dm at all) and xtrlock perfect
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14:49<scorpion2185[m]>where can I see the source code of xtrlock?
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14:51<sney>you can browse the source of any debian package at sources.debian.org
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14:51<scorpion2185[m]>I mean the source source
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14:52<sney>https://sources.debian.org/src/xtrlock/2.15/ doesn't list any patches, so it is the "source source." otherwise, use google and find the upstream vcs.
14:52<sney>or download a tarball and unpack it on your machine, etc.
14:53<scorpion2185[m]>to ask a feature should I make a wishlit bug so?
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14:53<scorpion2185[m]>I tried to find the source on internet
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14:54<scorpion2185[m]>SO I could have asked the upstream source
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14:55<scorpion2185[m]> `-f fork after locking is complete, and return success from the parent process` what does that exactly?
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14:59<jhutchins>Pretty much what it says.
14:59<scorpion2185[m]>fork? fork what? does it made a fork from the current version?
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15:00<jhutchins>scorpion2185[m]: Need to work on your google skills: https://github.com/Airblader/xtrlock/blob/master/xtrlock.c
15:00<jhutchins>That took me three clicks.
15:00<jhutchins>scorpion2185[m]: It means the process forks.
15:02<scorpion2185[m]>Is that repo official? I found another but it wasn't official.
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15:03<sney>what steps have you taken to determine this yourself?
15:03<sney>or are you just hoping that #debian will do all the thinking for you?
15:04<scorpion2185[m]>to determine what exactly?
15:04*ens wonders if this is some kind of parody
15:05<sney>ens: I would honestly be relieved, but this one seems to live in column B
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15:06<scorpion2185[m]> Copyright (C) 1993, 1994 by Ian Jackson.
15:06<scorpion2185[m]>why do you want the process to fork?
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15:10<scorpion2185[m]>jhutchins: that repo is archived so I can't do anything
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15:56<grtestuser>i have here an old tool rescapp. when i try to mount the disc i get an error like "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1
15:56<grtestuser>"
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15:56<grtestuser>bye
15:56<grtestuser>end
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15:56<sney>lol
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15:58<sney>grtestuser: the "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock" etc error means the filesystem is not recognized. so either you are missing the tools for that specific filesystem, or there's an issue with the disk or partition table.
16:00<sussudio>he forgot :wq
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16:02<grummund>:wq! the only vi command you will ever need.
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16:06<grummund>no man page for vmdkmount from libvmdk-utils package, that's a bug right?
16:07<sney>yeah unless there's a -doc package from the same source
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16:11<grtestuser>hello everybody
16:11<grtestuser>u help me with my pc?
16:12<sney>!ask
16:12<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
16:12<grtestuser>i start a rec-app and want to repair the grub
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16:12<grtestuser>but the disc cant be mounted
16:12<grtestuser>and theres an error
16:12<sney>grtestuser: the "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock" etc error means the filesystem is not recognized. so either you are missing the tools for that specific filesystem, or there's an issue with the disk or partition table.
16:13<grtestuser>ty
16:13<grtestuser>how to find out the filesystem?
16:14<grtestuser>i understand. if this error comes then i dont have the tools 2 find it out, right?
16:14<sney>(as root) file -s /dev/sda1, or sometimes 'fisk -l' will show you
16:14<sney>ideally, you know the filesystem before trying to recover it.
16:15<grtestuser>theres no root on life system?
16:15<sney>every linux system has a root account. what live system is this?
16:15<grtestuser>mom
16:15<grtestuser>rescapp
16:15<grtestuser>mom
16:15<grtestuser>rescatux 0.27
16:16<sney>are you trying to rescue a debian system?
16:16<grtestuser>y
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16:16<grtestuser>a 2.6 something
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16:17<sney>you can try to use sudo, if that doesn't work then check the rescatux manual for instructions on how to get a root shell
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16:19<grtestuser>sudo is root and i dont know the root
16:19<grtestuser>i dont know an other way 2 start a root shell as with the root name and pwd
16:19<sney>then you should check the rescatux manual, like I just said
16:19<grtestuser>so ive 2 find it in the manual
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17:53<alex11>so i know you can download man pages on manpages.debian.org, but is there a way to 'preview' the /usr/share/doc tree for a given package on the website?
17:56<sney>packages.d.o has the 'list of files' function
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19:22<artur>ale good :)
19:22<Sqrt{not}>artur, OK, good job:)
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20:48<alex11>aaaaaaaa
20:48<alex11>under a week to go :D
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20:54<Bobular>Hello all. I installed debian 10.10.0 amd64 via the netinstall iso. I setup a static ip during install it worked and was able to pull packages from the repos. Now I'm booted to the fresh install, the network worked for maybe 30 seconds to 1 min and then stopped working. Using ip addr I see that the interface shows up with the correct ip/netmask/gateway/nameservers, but there is also a second ip assigned, a 169.254.x.x ip
20:54<Bobular>Nowhere have I setup that ip and google says that that ip is a local only ip.
20:55<sney>169.254.0.0/16 is a zeroconf range that shouldn't show up because of anything debian is doing, but you might be getting it from some misbehaving appliance on your network maybe?
20:55<Bobular>If I restart the network using systemctl restart networking the network again works for 30 seconds to 1 min then stops working
20:56<sney>what does /etc/network/interfaces have?
20:56<Bobular>It's on a machine I cant copy paste from, give me one sec to type it out
20:59<Bobular>sney: https://paste.debian.net/1206994/
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21:01<Bobular>When I systemctl restart networking and then ip addr, it enp0s3 has only 1 ip(the 10.x one I assigned) and I can ping yahoo.com. After 30 seconds to 1 min ping stops and ip addr shows the same 10.x ip, as well as a 169. ip
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21:02<Bobular>To me, it seems like something is trying to auto config and times out and defaults to the 169.x ip
21:02<Bobular>Because the network does work properly for 30 seconds to 1 min and then stops...it seems like thats some kinda timeout happening.
21:03<sney>remove avahi-autoipd if it's installed
21:03<Bobular>And googling for debian 10 networking informations is confusing becasue it seems things have changed
21:04<sney>yeah, google doesn't respect the differences between debian releases unfortunately. I think that avahi package is what's misbehaving though, so removing it should help
21:04<Bobular>sney: it is installed. Let me uninstall it.
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21:05<Bobular>sney: Ok, uninstalled and restarted networking...lets see if it happens
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21:06<Bobular>sney: Bah! I happened, it worked for 30 seconds then added the 169.x ip and networking stopped working
21:06<sney>Bobular: reboot, just to be sure
21:07<Bobular>sney: Roger that. Rebooting now. Might take a min or two. Old hardware etc etc..
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21:09<Bobular>Just about booted...
21:10<Bobular>sney: Hmm. Booted and ip addr ONLY shows the 169.x ip. No 10.x at all
21:10<Sqrt{not}>Bobular, do you find anything relevant in the logs or journal?
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21:11<Bobular>Sqrt{not}: Hmm, I don't see anything obvious
21:11<sney>'
21:11<sney>'ifup enp0s3'?
21:13<Bobular>sney: ifup: interface enp0s3 already configured
21:13<sney>wat. um
21:13<Bobular>This feels like there are 2 different daemons/methods/services fighting to configure the interface.
21:13<sney>ok, you said old hardware, is the network interface at all unusual?
21:14<Bobular>And this is a completely fresh install
21:14<Bobular>sney: It's actually a vm(using virtualbox)
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21:15<sney>ok. any hypervisor *will* try to configure the network in some way, so vbox might be doing something strange; I haven't seen this behavior in particular but I wouldn't put it past them
21:15<sney>which virtual nic type are you using? e1000, virtio, something else?
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21:23<Bobular>sney: intel pro/1000 mt desktop
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21:23<Bobular>sney: I have another vm setup almost the same(except different distro) setup and it works.
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21:24<Bobular>It's just this debian one that is fubar
21:24<sney>ok. I still suspect virtualbox is causing this conflict somehow, can you hunt through the network settings inside vbox and see if there's a rogue checkbox somewhere?
21:25<sney>you should know that this isn't a common issue, but I think setting a static ip from inside a vbox guest isn't a common setup either. usually you'd configure an address at the host, and then the guest would just get that address from dhcp
21:25<Bobular>sney: Ha, I just did and compared them with the working vm and they are the same
21:26<sney>outside of "the same", even since that other distro probably has different defaults and a different kernel at least
21:27<Bobular>I swear that I think when I used the installer to setup the static ip...it did something that is now conflicting
21:28<Bobular>sney: I actually thought the other vm was ubuntu, its actually also debian lol. But a old install(both seem to be debian 10) but the working vm was installed maybe a year ago?
21:29<Bobular>Looks like the other working vm was installed using debian 10.3.0 amd64 netinstall iso
21:30<Bobular>Around feb of 2020
21:30<sney>hmm
21:30<Bobular>Right?
21:30<Bobular>Like...wth
21:31<Bobular>Same os, same vm config...
21:31<sney>in vbox, I can't remember if this is possible but can you shut down the guest, remove the network adapter, add a new one, and then boot and configure that new nic?
21:31<Bobular>I'm not sure. I think it will just register as the same nic
21:32<sney>then add a new one without deleting this one.
21:32<Bobular>There is some daemon or service running on this bad debian that is mucking things up
21:32<sney>do you have a log saying that debian is assigning the zeroconf address? because the only thing that can do that on a stock debian system is avahi, and that was removed
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21:32<sney>I mean, disable the avahi daemon entirely I guess
21:33<sney>but it shouldn't be silently adding useless ip addresses
21:33<Bobular>The network works...then a timeout happens and something auto assigns the 169.x ip and I'm guessing messes with the routing table. But I am NOT a network guy and do not know how to debug routing issues.
21:34<Bobular>sney: Ok maybe dumb on my part. But you said to uninstall avahi-autoip(or something). There appers to still be a base "avahi" package installed
21:34<Bobular>And a "avahi" process is running.
21:34<Bobular>err "avahi-daemon"
21:34<sney>avahi-autoipd is, by its description, the part of avahi that supplies "a protocol for automatic IP address configuration from the link-local 169.254.0.0/16 range without the need for a central server."
21:35<sney>removed, avahi shouldn't be able to do that at all. but try systemctl disable avahi-daemon and see what happens
21:35<Bobular>I am not at all familiar with avahi or what it does. I'll try stopping the avahi-daemon and see what happens?
21:35<sney>y
21:35<Bobular>Heh, both sentances where same length and ended in happens...kinda satisfying lol
21:36<Bobular>Trying now.
21:37<Bobular>ok stopped avahi-daemon and also apparently there is a avahi-daemon.socket daemon as well? Both stopped, no avahi proccess showing in ps and I restarted networking.
21:37<Bobular>Let's see what happens...
21:38<Bobular>Bah!!! Same thing. Works 30 seconds then stops working and 169.x gets added to the interface.
21:38<Bobular>I seriously have nfi what is going on >:(
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21:39<sney>what's in 'journalctl -u networking.service', anything with a zeroconf address or mentioning zeroconf, apipa etc?
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21:40<Bobular>Hmm, so I grep'ed 169 in /etc/networking and it found a bunch of stuff.
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21:40<Bobular>in /etc/network/if-up.d/avahi-autoipd
21:41<Bobular>I wish I could copy paste...
21:41<sney>do you have a phone or something that you can show me what's on the screen? can the host upload screenshots?
21:41<jhutchins>There are three networking modes that are configured at the hypervisor level.
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21:42<sney>jhutchins: are you familiar with this on vbox? I switched to virt-manager >2 years ago so I forgot everything
21:44<Bobular>Ok, I feel crazy now. So... I removed avahi-autoipd with "apt remove avahi-autoipd". If I rerun that command it obviously says package is not installed. If I run "apt purge avahi-autoipd" it offers to remove the package.
21:45<sney>purge removes any config files installed by that package
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21:45<Bobular>Even when already uninstalled?
21:45<sney>what it actually offers to remove is avahi-autoipd[c] or something to that effect, which is just conffiles
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21:45<sney>yes, that is the difference between remove and purge
21:45<Bobular>I know purge removes configs...but I assumed if the package was already uninstalled it would say the same thing as apt remove
21:46<Bobular>Hmm, I'll try to purge avahi-autoipd?
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21:46<sney>packages that are removed do not have any software on disk to use those config files, it's just basically saving settings in case you want to install the package again later
21:47<jhutchins>sney: Familiar but a year out of practice and no current example.
21:47<Bobular>But it added stuff to /etc/network/if-up.d and if-down.d
21:47<Bobular>Which get invoked when the interface is brought up/down
21:48<Bobular>Nice, purge removed the scripts from /etc/network/if-*.d/
21:48<Bobular>Lets see what happens...
21:48<jhutchins>I believe the 169 network is between host and guest only. There's another one that needs to be added to get guest to internet.
21:48<jhutchins>(guest to network).
21:49<Bobular>Crap, same thing. Restart networking and it works for 30 seconds then stops and ip addr shows the 169.x ip
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21:52<Bobular>sney: To answer the earlier question I missed of journalctl -u just shows a bunch of Stopped and Started messages.
21:52<Bobular>Nothing interesting
21:53<Bobular>I don't see anything in the logs containing "zeroconf"
21:54<Bobular>Hmm, greping avahi in the logs shows something interesting
21:54<sney>I'd also look at the last 100 or so lines of /var/log/daemon.log, if you aren't already
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21:56<Bobular>syslog shows: avahi-daemon joinging mDNS multicast group on interface enp0s3.IPv4 with address 169.x.x.x
21:56<Bobular>Bah, but that was from almost a hour ago
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21:57<sney>that is just it trying to do mdns stuff on the existing address, on this system I get the same output but 'Joining mDNS multicast group on interface wlp5s0.IPv4 with address 192.168.88.45.'
21:58<Bobular>Hmm, gotcha.
21:59<Bobular>daemon log shows some network stuff.
21:59<sney>here is what I think is happening: ifupdown brings your virtual interface up, with the class A address you specified in interfaces. the link coming up triggers something at the virtualbox end, and maybe there's a timeout. the virtualbox host assigns a zeroconf address to the guest nic, which the guest nic can't refuse. then routing fails.
21:59<Bobular>connmand[498]: enp0s3 {add} address 169.x
22:00<Bobular>And also adding routes for 169.x as well
22:00<sney>connman?!
22:00<sney>well never mind, remove connman
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22:00<sney>why is connman even there? did you install the lxqt task or something?
22:00<Bobular>:o I take that surprise as something weird going on?
22:01<Bobular>sney: My god. I DID select lxqt for my DE during install(again old hardware, needed a de that was low resource)
22:01<sney>usually connman is not even present on buster unless some other specific thing brings it in as a dependency
22:01<Bobular>^^
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22:03<Bobular>Ok, I stopped connman and restarted networking.
22:04<sney>make sure restarting networking didn't also start connman
22:04<Bobular>...I *think* that fixed my issue \o/
22:04<Bobular>Woohoo. Hasn't crapped out yet.
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22:04<sney>amazing. connman. I didn't know it would do that, but now I do haha
22:04<Bobular>Is it safe to uninstall connman?
22:05<sney>yup, it might take a metapackage or two with it but it shouldn't try to remove your desktop
22:05<Bobular>sney: It didn't even cross my mind to mention I'm using X de.
22:05<Bobular>Whowoulda thunk it
22:06<lhvf>Hello Everyone! By following here: → < https://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/2021/08/08 >, I can tell Bobular that to write to a specific file from a given command, he could try ' <command> > output_file.txt ', or a more filtered command, like this " command | grep 'something' ". See this webpage: < https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-use-grep-command-in-linux-unix/ > to see specific use cases examples.
22:06<Bobular>sney: I really appreciate you help and time. Been trouble shooting with me for like a hour or more. Much appreciated! :)
22:06<sney>np, glad it's sorted
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22:07<imMute>lhvf: bad bot.
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22:13<lhvf>How? I already seen that Bobular have resolved his problem at all. But I'm suggesting here to him to use more specific commands to filter the Terminal next times.. (inclusive if he hasn't conexion, either). I'm not a "bot". imMute > I don't knows what did you mean with this affirmation..
22:14<sney>lhvf: next time you want to help, be specific, and not noisy
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22:14<lhvf>' connection '(typo..)
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22:26<lhvf>sney: I preffer to be useful, but if the case is already resolved, since then, I shouldn't start to suggest anything (because Bobular already could find what was going wrong, have removed the package with conflict, and have been fixed the problem), and the my suggestion him to do from Terminal some 'commands filtering', at this time, aren't necessary anymore. Don't thought that I'm noising, at all.. Depends how is the see point from who is seeing an
22:27<sney>hahaha QED
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22:28<sney>this message was even longer than the 512 byte limit.
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22:29<sney>lhvf: in the future, you could try like, "it looked like you were having trouble with text redirection, here is a page with some tips <url>"
22:29<sney>this is much more clear and doesn't look like bot spam.
22:30<imMute>sney: stop feeding the robot overlords!
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22:31<lhvf>sney: For me (on OFTC.net WebChat) there is not any problem (how long the text is written.. on my side) and even in thegrebs #debian logs..
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22:31<lhvf>See here: < https://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/2021/08/08 >
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22:32<sney>lhvf: welcome to IRC, where any characters past 512 will either disappear or get wrapped to the next line
22:32<imMute>lhvf: your long message got cut off at "Depends how is the see point from who is seeing an"
22:37<sney>imMute: I've fallen for a bot or two over the years but I'm pretty sure this one is only *semi* automated
22:37<Sqrt{not}>lhvf, and your long message cut off at exactly the same place in the log you linked
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22:42<lhvf>*Depends how is the see point from who is seeing and **commenting..** (here is the end part..)*
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22:57<lhvf>imMute , sney With such kind of jokes, here is seeming like #fedora-social or something else alike (that the involved people are ironic, and rudeness people, and they thoughs that they are like were 'rational' people). I'll not go to these mentioned Channel for me nevermore.. The other was the #gentoo IRC Channel, because I couldn't expressed very well there a single first time..
22:57<lhvf>Oh, stops.. I'm seeming like an 'offender'..
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23:01<lhvf>I'm not a native English speaker.. I'm always trying to improve.. And my English isn't so bad like would be from (let's say) a Hungarian... (in my experienc in Forums that I participated..)
23:02<sney>lhvf: you clearly take a long time writing your messages.
23:02<sney>try making them shorter.
23:03<sney>even if you have to take time editing, well, you are doing that anyway.
23:06<lhvf>*experience*
23:10<lhvf>I'll install Debian 9 yet this year. Google Drive is refusing to work with latest Google Chrome 32-bit version released.. First I'll install in a USBLive. And I don't access my e-mails accounts on Windows.. Next I'll install on second SATA HDD (1TB), this time dual boot with a Windows 7 64-bit (x64) instead of 32-bits (x86). Because I'm needing 64-bits for Development (BlueGriffon 3.1), Google Chrome, and for the FFmpeg Windows Git Builds (in the l
23:11<lhvf>*years*
23:11<lhvf>Gedir don't count this number of characters
23:12<lhvf>*Gedit*
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23:14<lhvf>**Gedit don't *counted* this number of characters..*
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23:15<imMute>"count" was correct.
23:17<imMute>but even then... what?
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23:26<lhvf>imMute: I've tried Debian-Live 9.13 MATE DE (AMD64) last month and I coudln't use Google Chrome yet, to me avoid to suffer with GPU /Hardlockups (Chrome gives me Video Artifacts with Google Chrome Linux version (only 64-bits) with my NVIDIA old GPU ), and have had to use Mozilla Firefox-ESR 64-bits(that was also crashing for some e-mails accounts Services, but without these inversible GPU Panics..) .
23:26<lhvf> However, at that time I could manage to resolve this with a Debian Wiki Firefox Trobleshoothing page hint..
23:27<sney>lhvf: it's clear you don't care about my advice, so I don't know whay I'm typing this, but... if you want to communicate on IRC, watch how other people communicate on IRC, and then do the same thing.
23:27<sney>1 sentence per line, 1 idea per sentence, short and clear.
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23:31<lhvf>sney: Ok. I'll try to improve my communication next times.
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23:45<gw>bj
23:47<sney>hi
23:48<gw>yall ever heard of closed shell commands
23:48<gw>i have XD
23:51<sney>just taking a wild guess here,
23:51<sney>!kali-magic
23:51<dpkg>Kali Linux is just an operating system. It does not magically turn you into a hacker. It is also offtopic in #debian. Please fulfill your fantasies in #kali-linux on irc.libera.chat. See also <based on debian> and <they don't know>.
23:54<gw>priviate isp
23:55<gw>im using debain i hate kali
23:56<lhvf>imMute: Here is the Debian Wiki webpage that helped me at the last time accessing one of my e-mail accounts that are 'always crashing Mozilla Firefox-ESR current Debian Stable Builds' : → < https://wiki.debian.org/Firefox#Troubleshooting > with the command ` firefox --no-remote -P `.
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23:56<lhvf>imMute: I've already joined Firefox Desktop Support Channel (Official and Matrix.org Network), but seems that the people there only uses the current versions under Development , like the Debian Sid, Fedora, Arch or Ubuntu to test the defects in the Mozilla Firefox Browser at all..
23:57<gw>i require non free firmware
23:57<lhvf>imMute: So they don't given me the minimal attention, not answering nothing when I asked something..
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