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---Logopened Mon Aug 09 00:00:46 2021
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00:11<lhvf>Bye. My father will disconnect now. Maybe I'll continue on my Smartphone, if needed anyway.
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00:20<baggio>Hello, I'm new in Linux and I looking for some information about compatibility laptops with Debian 9 Stretch or Debian 10 Buster. I don't know witch laptop I can buy to works well with Debian. Help me please.
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00:21<somiaj>baggio: That is a hard question, but you are also a bit dated, lots of newer laptops may have trouble with both stretch and buster (though bullseye will be released in a week, so I would suggest you look at running bullseye)
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00:22<somiaj>in general hardware support in the linux kernel is what is needed, and the kernel in bullseye will support most hardware that isn't bleeding edge (built in the last 6 months with the latest and greatest)
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00:23<somiaj>baggio: What do you want to do with this laptop? Do you want to have good 3d graphics, or is just a simple desktop style machine good enough for you.
00:23<somiaj>To me the biggest thing I would do is avoid optimus hardware (this is a dual intel/nvidia -- maybe intel/amd -- gpu that really has poor support in linux)
00:24<baggio>I would like to have a good machine with good 3d graphic card.
00:24<somiaj>But if you just want a decent machine, I would basically suggest a stand alone intel gpu
00:24<raven523>optimus is just intel/nvidia
00:24<somiaj>if you want a decent gpu, here you might want to be a bit careful and just double check support on what ever gpu you decide on.
00:24<baggio>I was wondering about ThinkPad T460
00:25<somiaj>Amd gpus have the best open support, just requires non-free firmware. Nvidia to get the most out of it requires a non-free driver, which requires a bit of extra work to install in debian
00:25<somiaj>baggio: what cpu/gpu does it have?
00:25<somiaj>most pople have good lucks with thinkpads
00:26<somiaj>seems the T460 is a 2016 machine, that should have decen support in both buster and bullseye, but I don't see the exact specs.
00:26<baggio>One moment please.
00:27<baggio>T460 have Intel HD Graphics 520
00:27<somiaj>baggio: really there is no easy answer, but I would suspect that machine to have decent support. Besides avoiding optimus hardware, you can do web searches on the hardware to see linux support. Really just check the gpu, and the wifi card, those are the two tings that seem to have the most work.
00:27<somiaj>baggio: does it also have intel wifi?
00:27<baggio>yes
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00:28<somiaj>baggio: I suspect that machine to run fine in linux.
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00:28<baggio>Thank You for Your advice.
00:28<raven523>optimus hardware isn't exactly bad, it's just really annoying to use it when you want to switch between the nvidia and intel GPU
00:29<raven523>it's not as bad as it was a few years ago when optimus was first introduced
00:29<baggio>Ok
00:29<somiaj>thinkpads T-series have often been good. In debian you'll need to install non-free firmware for the wifi, and maybe the gpu
00:29<baggio>Thank You, I'm know that.
00:29<somiaj>yea, I just suggest avoiding it unless you want to spend the time to configure it correctly, Debian support also lags a bit in optimus support. People use it, but unless you really want that feature, I just don't think it is worth it.
00:30<baggio>Ok
00:30<somiaj>It is also the hardware I see people having the most issues with here (outside of needing non-free firmware for wifi and gpus)
00:31<baggio>Thank You very much and have a good day to all of You.
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04:45<lastrodamo>hi
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04:46<lastrodamo>does cmake have to be run as root ?
04:46<raven523>cmake should not be run as root
04:47<raven523>you might need to run make install or ninja install as root though
04:48<lastrodamo>raven523, I was thinking about that too
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04:48<vv222[BI]>lastrodamo, beware: if you ran it as root once, it might have created root-owned files that would mess up with the following non-root calls.
04:49<alex11>initial things like ./configure and make are generally not done as root but (depending on your use case) make install may need to be done as root
04:49<alex11>what you're trying to install will generally have instructions in the readme
04:51<vv222[BI]>Keeping in mind that for well-conceived install processes, even the `make install` should not require root privileges ;)
04:51<raven523>it can if you're trying to install files to locations to which only root can write
04:52<alex11>it comes down to whether you want a global install or local (user) install
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04:55<vv222[BI]>raven523, I mean that an install command run as non-root should not try to write to such paths. Of course in some rare cases a non-root install would make no sense (like a kernel driver or something like that).
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06:33<f6k>hello, it's been a while since i've used debian, so is pm-suspend (from pm-utils) still relevant to suspend to RAM my laptop please?
06:33<f6k>(using buster)
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06:36<dreamer>it's `systemctl suspend` now
06:36<dreamer>(assuming your debian install uses systemd)
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07:24<micr0be>Good morning, I had Debian installed on my laptop and I tried a live USB from another Linux distro. I was able to reboot on my Debian after that. But then I wanted to boot again from my USB live, and I think I messed up my boot settings. Idk if I have to set uefi and safe boot... Thank you in advance for your help
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07:26<jm_>!fixmbr
07:26<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
07:27<jm_>note that d-i also has built-in rescue mode (<rescue mode> factoid as indicated above), which makes things much easier
07:28<micr0be>Problem is that I can't boot my hard drive disk. It either says invalid partition (legacy mode) or another error message when I try uefi or secure boot
07:29<jm_>well yes, the factoid says to boot from d-i or live CD (or USB or whatever) and fix things
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07:29<micr0be>I think it is related to bios settings because as I said I was able to reboot my Debian but then I messed up the settings by reseting them to factory default
07:30<jm_>well there are only two modes, legacy or uefi
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07:34<jm_>also exact error message might be useful
07:37<micr0be>OK thank you. What I'll do is reseting bios to default and try to boot as this
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07:38<jm_>and inspecting things from a live boot would also help clear that up
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07:39<micr0be>Current error message is: Invalid partition table.
07:40<micr0be>Boot mode legacy
07:40<jm_>and if you change it to uefi?
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07:44<micr0be>If I change from legacy to uefi, the bios doesn't show a list of bootable media, but instead let me the possibility to add manual entry. If I boot in uefi without any further configuration, the message on boot is "no bootable devices found"
07:45<jm_>in that case I would boot from some live USB release and check things on disk
07:47<sussudio>the last time i got messages like this, i had to disconnect and reconnect my harddisk after a cleaning. probably doesn't work like this with a laptop, though.
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07:49<micr0be>I could try to add a manual entry, it ask for the "file system" only one available so it's my hdd. Then it asks for a file name for which I can browse a folder named Debian containing some files (shimx64.efi, grubx64.efi,BOOTX64.CSV,...)
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07:49<micr0be>There's a grub.cfg also
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07:50<MaxPayneTopGun>Sup guys, does anyone know when Debian might be getting the 5.11 kernel or newer? I have a AX210 and have to use Ubuntu because kernels before 5.11 don't support that card. :(
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07:50<diogenes_oftc>v, linux-image
07:51<MaxPayneTopGun>unstable would be fine, too, in that case, but it's on 5.8 right now
07:51<diogenes_oftc>v. linux-image
07:51<MaxPayneTopGun>ah no it's on 5.10
07:51<jm_>surely it's on 5.10 if even backpors has 5.10
07:51<jm_>,v linux-image-amd64
07:51<judd>Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u7; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u11; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u4~bpo9+1; buster-security: 4.19+105+deb10u9; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u12; buster-backports: 5.10.46-2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.10.46-4; sid: 5.10.46-4
07:52<micr0be>Oh it works!
07:52<MaxPayneTopGun>Well I installed Debian testing and upgraded to unstable but the card wasn's supported
07:52<jm_>testing and sid have the same kernel now, so yeah makes sense
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09:29<f6k>dreamer: thank you very much
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11:02<krumelmonster>I mount a directory as bindfs with forced permissions similar to this: https://gist.github.com/Peregrinox/01cac6054beaad9849b7807d45a08132 however, I use `Options=perms=0660:ud+sx:gd+sx,allow_other` in the systemd.mount file. I believe this should make all directories setgid – but it doesn't
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11:03<romain_>I have some troubles with a windows samba share mounted on my debian
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11:03<romain_>I use credentials MYDOMAIN\MYUSER to mount the share
11:04<romain_>but file owner on windows wasn't MYDOMAIN\MYUSER
11:05<romain_>the owner is the windows local admin account
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11:05<romain_>and I need that the owner was MYDOMAIN\MYUSER
11:06<romain_>fstab line is : //192.168.X.XXX/myshare /mnt/myshare cifs credentials=/root/.smbcred,uid=1000,gid=1000,dir_mode=0777,file_mode=0777 0 0
11:07<romain_>can anybody help me ?
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11:11<mason>romain_: I presume there's a #samba and I suspect they'd have an answer in state. If you present this to them, it'd be worth clarifying that you want to address it on the Debian side, or on the Windows side.
11:12<krumelmonster>So my bindfs options are `rw,perms=0660:ud+sx:gd+sx,allow_other,dev,suid` but only those directories that are setgid in the original directory will be setgid in the bindfs. Bug or my mistake?
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11:14<krumelmonster>Oh no, bindfs ingores the setgid bits :( that's terrible news
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11:15<mason>krumelmonster: Consider what a bind mount is doing. You're pointing at something already extant.
11:15<hsaberyoun>hi i need help with freeradius configuration
11:16<hsaberyoun>anyone can direct me ?
11:16<mason>!ask
11:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:17<hsaberyoun>ok
11:18<hsaberyoun>i have to configure freeradius to use ldap as backend im on debian 10
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11:19<hsaberyoun>1. where should i put CA cert of my ldap server on radius server?
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11:58<otisolsen70>I use Debian buster with KDE as my DE. Whenever I browse many modern websites using Firefox, they seem to be using font-based icons that appearently does not work with Firefox. An example of this can be seen here: https://i.imgur.com/alKwTYF.png What am I missing in order for this to work? Some fonts package? Some unicode support or what?
12:01<otisolsen70>If I use chromium to browse the same sites, the icons are shown alright.
12:03<sney>usually this is caused by missing fonts
12:03<sney>install unifont, and maybe some of the fonts-noto packages, clear your cache and try again
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12:04<otisolsen70>sney, unifont is already the newest version (1:11.0.03-1).
12:04<otisolsen70>fonts-noto is already the newest version (20181227-1).
12:04<otisolsen70>All fonts-noto-* pkgs are installed
12:05<sney>hmm
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12:07<sney>this is syncthing, right? do you see the issue on any other sites?
12:08<otisolsen70>sney, yes it is syncthing. THis was just an example. I see this on almost all modern sites. Including gmail, etc.
12:09<otisolsen70>sney, here an example from Google Calendar: https://i.imgur.com/2iOLM3J.png
12:10<sney>ok, I've looked up some of these utf codes and they all seem to be in the private use area, not associated to any specific glyph
12:10<otisolsen70>sney, not sure what this means....
12:10<sney>I wonder if there's some css thing that's supposed to download the font to support them and it, for whatever reason, doesn't work on firefox esr on your computer
12:11<otisolsen70>sney, for syncthing there are no third party scripts or css downloaded.
12:12<otisolsen70>sney, I just tried setting default font in firefox to Noto Sans. did not help one bit
12:12<sney>https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1270462
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12:13<otisolsen70>I already checked "allow pages to chose their own fonts"
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12:14<user_>guys can i tell you a secret?
12:14<f6k>sney: thanks for the fonts name; i was searching that earlier :)
12:15<sney>otisolsen70: test in a private window to make sure ff isn't caching something weird?
12:15<sney>f6k: np
12:15<otisolsen70>sney, ahh found it. It was ublock origin.
12:15<otisolsen70>sney, thanks for helping out!
12:15<sney>aha. yeah that's also listed on the mozilla support page
12:15<sney>np'
12:15<user_>are there anybody interested in my secret?
12:16<sney>user_: only if you tell us why someone would go to the trouble of setting up tor for privacy, only to join a random public channel with no clue of what it's for
12:17<user_>you made a great point sney
12:18<user_>debian is my daddy
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12:21<GreetingsFromTurkey>hi my brothers
12:22<GreetingsFromTurkey>can you help me something
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12:22<GreetingsFromTurkey>i cant find anything for solutions
12:22<bentham>!hi
12:22<dpkg>hello, bentham
12:22<bentham>!ask
12:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
12:22<GreetingsFromTurkey>im sorry im new in here
12:22<bentham>no worries
12:22<petn-randall>GreetingsFromTurkey: Ask away, if someone knows the answer they'll respond.
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12:24<GreetingsFromTurkey>b\\I installed Debian by encrypting it during the first installation
12:24<GreetingsFromTurkey>and \
12:25<GreetingsFromTurkey>simdi ise giris yapamiyorum sifremi ve denedigim her sifre ihtimallerine ragmen. sebebi sanirim arkadasim ile kafede cay icerken tam kapatmadan laptobun kapagini indirdim ve pili bitmis. debiana giris yaparken
12:26<GreetingsFromTurkey>cant find channel or something like this word
12:26-!-rpittau is now known as rpittau|afk
12:26<GreetingsFromTurkey>and doesnt exits something like this
12:26<GreetingsFromTurkey>lol !
12:26<GreetingsFromTurkey>just close your laptop
12:26<GreetingsFromTurkey>and forget when battery dead
12:27<GreetingsFromTurkey>and linux close
12:27<GreetingsFromTurkey>any namw its :)
12:27<GreetingsFromTurkey>any name it is :)
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12:27<sney>!tr
12:27<dpkg>well, tr is #debian.tr is currently inactive.
12:27<sney>GreetingsFromTurkey: it's not clear what you're asking.
12:27<GreetingsFromTurkey>ha!
12:27<GreetingsFromTurkey>sorry
12:28<GreetingsFromTurkey>i cant seee this hexchat
12:28<GreetingsFromTurkey>line
12:28<GreetingsFromTurkey>bwcause its black
12:28<GreetingsFromTurkey>:D
12:28<GreetingsFromTurkey>ajust wait
12:28<GreetingsFromTurkey>i already texting doc :D
12:28<jochum>GreetingsFromTurkey: reset the password with a liveusb
12:28<GreetingsFromTurkey>its google translate error
12:28<GreetingsFromTurkey>i diddnt :D
12:28<jochum>GreetingsFromTurkey: do now
12:29<jochum>GreetingsFromTurkey: if you can't login
12:29<GreetingsFromTurkey>this is the problem
12:29<petn-randall>GreetingsFromTurkey: Are you stuck at the prompt from the LUKS encryption, or the login screen for your user?
12:29<GreetingsFromTurkey>yes!
12:29<GreetingsFromTurkey>because
12:29<petn-randall>!enter
12:29<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked for flooding the channel.
12:30<jochum>GreetingsFromTurkey: maybe you want to join #debian-offtopic on irc.libera.chat Turkish people there
12:30<GreetingsFromTurkey>am i wrong
12:30<GreetingsFromTurkey>?
12:30<petn-randall>GreetingsFromTurkey: Are you wrong with what?
12:31<jochum>petn-randall: think with "enter"
12:31<GreetingsFromTurkey>thanks... i just this turkish words because i cantt see using translate side
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12:32<jochum>GreetingsFromTurkey: where is the problem with login encryption or later login?
12:32<petn-randall>uhm, ok, that was a quick exit.
12:32<jochum>he gone?
12:32<petn-randall>They left directly after their last message.
12:37<sussudio>i don't think google translate speaks gobble gobble.
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13:04<kobk>keygen for creating passwords
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13:07<jochum>kobk: pwgen
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13:07<kobk>what's the context on that
13:07<kobk>i dont' mean for debian
13:07<kobk>anything
13:07<kobk>google
13:07<kobk>facebook
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13:07<vv221>That bot is smart ;)
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13:08<sney>kobk_: if you want specific answers, ask specific questions
13:08<sney>irc is not a search engine
13:08<kobk_>sorry about that, what's the primary purpose here
13:08<kobk_>i'm new to debian
13:09<sney>this is a support channel for debian users, run by other volunteer debian users.
13:09<petn-randall>kobk_: This is a Debian user support channel. If you have questions about Debian or how to use it, you ask and we try to answer.
13:09<kobk_>okay, perfect, thanks
13:10<vv221>kobk_, are you trying to generate a fresh password to use for some software/service, or to guess the password of an existing account?
13:10<petn-randall>kobk_: We also have bots to help with the most common questions, like this:
13:10<petn-randall>!faq
13:10<dpkg>[faq] Frequently Asked Questions. The #debian FAQ is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC . The Debian GNU/Linux FAQ is at http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ . Ask me about <search dpkg> to search my database for FAQ links. Many other FAQ are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/FAQ . Read the FAQs!
13:10<vv221>pwgen is great for the first use case.
13:10<vv221>This channel might not be the right place to get help with the second use case ;)
13:10<kobk_>hoping for some code that'll act as a keygen for an existing account
13:11<kobk_>someone has access to one of my various emails (i know, amateur shit)
13:12<imMute>does anyone happen to have a "kill all SSH instances for my user except this one" script handy? I can probably make one but just wanted to ask if it's alredy been done
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13:14<vv221>I tend to `killall ssh` then restart a fresh one ;)
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13:15<imMute>vv221: the process needing killing isn't called "ssh" though
13:16<sney>kobk_: bruteforcing account logins is outside the scope of #debian. even if it is your own account, as you claim, it's not responsible to teach random people how to do that, and it's probably not the strength of anyone here anyway as we tend to be ops/sysadmin types
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13:18<xormor>vv221: killall processname, it is looked up from the name of the process, not the PID number.
13:18<xormor>vv221: like: killall firefox-esr
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13:42<vv221>xormor, yes, that’s the purpose of killall.
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13:43<scorpion2185[m]>vv221: did you know about xtrlock? perfect lockscreen one day you may want to lock
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13:44<scorpion2185[m]>and I use nodm (autologin)
13:45<vv221>scorpion2185[m], I’ve seen you mentioning it yesterday ;)
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13:48<scorpion2185[m]>What does this `#NODM_X_OPTIONS='vt7 -nolisten tcp'`?
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13:49<vv221>It looks like an options string passed to the X process.
13:49<scorpion2185[m]>is v7 a tty?
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13:51<sney>vt stands for virtual terminal, yes
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13:54<scorpion2185[m]>I set vt1 but it always uses vt7 not a problem does nodm have a log?
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14:07<mentor>scorpion2185[m]: Is something already running on vt1?
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14:10<scorpion2185[m]>no I just started the computer and when I switched to vt1 there was nothing
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14:27<scorpion2185[m]>and loginctl can't find the tty: `1 0 root seat0 ???` it is tty7
14:30<jhutchins>scorpion2185[m]: So how are you reaching that info if you don't have a console?
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14:37<colemickens>So are the barriers to contribution on salsa.debian.org intentional? Manual n+1 account create PLUS manual admin verification? So I can file a bug? I could also not?
14:37<sney>filing bugs is still normally through the bts, which just uses email
14:37<sney>!reportbug
14:37<dpkg>reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting, or <reportbug MTA>
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14:38<sney>and the salsa limits are for spam mitigation, like the debian wiki. I think people aren't creating accounts often enough to justify leaving the door open. you can usually expedite your account approval by asking in #salsa.
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14:40<colemickens>I see. I must just be in a weird case that an end-user application is being hosted there (the python3 syncthing fork)
14:40<colemickens>Thank you for the helpful guidance sney.
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14:40<sney>np
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14:59<Sqrt{not}>colemickens, the bug tracking system may still be a good way to report bugs in any debian software
15:00<colemickens>I think I would feel guilty/lazy/offtopic if I were filing it while building it with nix/nixpkgs and running it on nixos :)
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15:02<scorpion2185[m]>jhutchins: I have nodm with gnome on vt7 I opened a terminal
15:03<scorpion2185[m]>I can use other VTs as well
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15:08<scorpion2185[m]>I tried to use tty1
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15:11<jhutchins>scorpion2185[m]: THis is on bullseye?
15:12<scorpion2185[m]>no buster
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15:17<jhutchins>They might know more on oftc#debian-next. The GUI (Xorg? Wayland?) may be running on tty1 instead of tty7.
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15:23<scorpion2185[m]>I set on nodm tty1 but instead it runs on tty7, so no problem. `echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE x11` I always have x11 even if I select on xorg
15:24<scorpion2185[m]>I set tty1 just for testing of `NODM_X_OPTIONS='vt1 -nolisten tcp'`
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15:27<scorpion2185[m]>`Aug 09 09:39:52 debian-desktop nodm[1379]: Successful su on ??? for root by root`
15:27<scorpion2185[m]>`Aug 09 09:39:55 debian-desktop sh[884]: A modem is a baudy house.` wtf? baudy?
15:28<sarnold>rofl
15:28<sney>lol
15:28<Blendie>lets burn microsoft headquarters to the ground
15:28<sney>scorpion2185[m]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baud it's a joke.
15:30<sney>Blendie: was that you saying the same thing on libera earlier? I think you know the result, #debian is not a place for fomenting armed insurrection
15:30<Blendie>ms clowns
15:31<sney>you are free to have whatever opinion you want of microsoft, I'm not a big fan either, but that doesn't mean you can rant in #debian.
15:31<Blendie>how come it was a rant?
15:32<zleap>I agree, we may not like MS but we would be better off talking about the benefits of free software rather than the negatives of free software / debian
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15:35<scorpion2185[m]>revolt go down for days sometimes I also tried bullseye version
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15:40<vv221>sney, colemickens, are all accounts creation on salsa subject to manual approval? I kind of remember opening my -guest account with no such validation, but it was quite a while ago so I might be misremembering.
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15:41<colemickens>took about 55 minutes, yeah.
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15:44*enyc meows
15:44<enyc>bullseye on various machines behaving nicely, heh I guess this channel may change in about 5 days
15:44<enyc>Blendie: go look up software freedom day and microsoft offices being barraged and so-on !!!
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15:45<enyc>something about returning a lot of unused windows disks to microsoft or something
15:45<jhutchins>enyc: Not a channel for politics or philosophy.
15:45<Blendie>microsoft offices should be on fire
15:45<jhutchins>Microsoft is off-topic.
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15:46<enyc>Blendie: we have a #debian-offtopic channel for this =)
15:47<enyc>aah you are there already, ok
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15:59<scorpion2185[m]>can I join offtopic from revolt/element?
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16:09<scorpion2185[m]>when you check session type if it is xorg does it return x11?
16:12<enyc>scorpion2185[m]: I thought the matrix bridge has a way to join 'any' oftc channel, 'any' libera channel, ...
16:14<sney>vv221: apparently there's a list of email providers that need manual approval. I'm on google workspace so mine was in that category, not sure who else is, but I guess some are allowed to create accounts directly
16:15<sarnold>google treats example@gmail.com the same as e.x.a.m.p.l.e@gmail.com, which means it is quite often easy for people to verify 'different' email addresses and register a billion accounts that way
16:15<sarnold>that's my guess why some email providers require extra steps
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16:33<trevorksmith>Does anyone know how to create a windows 10 ISO using cli on debian?
16:33<trevorksmith>USB's keep being ubootable when i try with dd
16:34<sney>there's a tool for it
16:34<sney>woeusb! that's it.
16:34<sney>I think it crashed last time I used it, but the usb installer still worked.
16:35<sney>https://github.com/WoeUSB/WoeUSB-ng
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16:56<trevorksmith>sney: I wish i knew what that was doing in the backend so i could do it manually without installation additional software, but it worked. Thanks haha
16:58<sney>np
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17:18<vv221>sney, that might be it for the manual approval. I use my own domain so would not be on such "suspicious domains" list ;)
17:19<sney>it's not a domains list. google workspace is hosted email, so the address is at my @sney.ca domain, but it still needed to be approved
17:19<sney>it's a _providers_ list. as in, originating servers.
17:19<vv221>Oh OK, I thought it was about domains.
17:20<sarnold>try: host -t mx sney.ca
17:20<sarnold>(that's my guess for how they decide :)
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17:20<sney>most likely
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17:21<vv221>Now that I think of it, Google Workspace might be what my employer is using: the domain is the entreprise name, but the mail infrastructure is Google.
17:21<sney>that's exactly what that is, yeah
17:21<vv221>Thanks, it makes more sense now ;)
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18:28<f3nix>Hello, I have to do a fresh install and thinking of going for Bullseye. But what should I do on the 15th? Just change the repos from testing to stable?
18:29<sney>bullseye systems installed now will automatically become debian 11 when it's released, no repo changes are necessary
18:29<f3nix>oh thanks a lot!
18:29<sney>np
18:30<alex11>you'll have to change the name of the security repo (and use "bullseye" instead of "stable" if you don't want surprises when bookworm releases)
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18:31<alex11>!bullseye sources.list
18:31<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Bullseye" has three lines: "deb https://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main" "deb https://deb.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main" "deb https://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-updates main". Note that bullseye does not yet have security support and is a <moving target>. See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <bullseye-security>, or <bullseye-updates> and "man sources.list".
18:32<sney>if you do a fresh install, your sources.list will already say bullseye
18:33<alex11>yeah just got a bit confused with the statement 'change the repos from testing to stable'
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18:34<f3nix>cheers
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19:17<user23423451243>hello?
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19:18<user23423451243>Is anyone really in this room?
19:19<sarnold>just a few hundred people
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19:20<user23423451243>lol
19:20<user23423451243>Is it okay to message? I'm a noobie
19:20<sarnold>it's best to stick to the whole channel; people come and go
19:21<sarnold>you can get better diversity of responses in the channel
19:21<sarnold>more responsive answers in the channel
19:21<user23423451243>Is Debian a form of Linux?/
19:21<user23423451243>Like a different kind of code?
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19:25<sarnold>user23423451243: linux is one of thousands of packages in debian; you could call it the most important package, perhaps..
19:25<user23423451243>sarnold: Are you saying that debian is the most secure .
19:25<sarnold>user23423451243: no
19:25<user23423451243>sarnold: would you say using whonix inside virtualbox, inside Linux Mint - is secure ?
19:26<sarnold>"secure" depends on too many things to give a yes / no answer
19:26<sarnold>if mint folks aren't keeping up on kernel security problems or if you're not installing new processor microcodes, you may be leaving yourself more open for flaws than you think, regardless of VM use
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19:27<lifesgood>nested virtualization is possible but a shot in the foot for performance, as far as I know dont give more security user23423451243
19:28<sarnold>there's often flaws in nested virtualization support
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19:33<mangix>sarnold: assuming this is the right person, whatever happened with https://github.com/jburton/libgpod ?
19:34<sarnold>mangix: perhaps wrong person :) I don't recall ever doing anything with libgpod
19:35<mangix>OK. There's a sarnold in the git history
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19:37<sarnold>mangix: oh yeah, he got to github before I did :) I figured github wouldn't go anywhere because git is a *distributed* version control software and there'd be no reason for people to suddenly jump onto a centralized tool like github...
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