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00:02<kookikodes>Sqrt, well the kernel I'm running is 5.11.0-7620-generic
00:03<kookikodes>which is supported, according to intel.
00:03<kookikodes>also, i'm not sure I understand you're first question xD
00:04<kookikodes>I don't know if I want to post the whole result from `sudo dmesg | grep iwlwifi`
00:04<kookikodes>but I don't get an error, or anything and my wifi adapter is recognized through `lspci`
00:05<Sqrt{not}>kookikodes, you wrote "But the driver and everything is loaded." so I wondered what driver and what everything you have loaded?
00:05<kookikodes>Lastly, let me add that I am a newby, for the most part. So, just to make it clear, thank you for your active assistance :)
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00:07<kookikodes>Here's what I'm referring to. I don't know if this helps, but this is what I meant. `[ 28.861436] iwlwifi 0000:28:00.0: enabling device (0000 -> 0002)
00:07<kookikodes>[ 28.866886] iwlwifi 0000:28:00.0: api flags index 2 larger than supported by driver
00:07<kookikodes>[ 28.866894] iwlwifi 0000:28:00.0: TLV_FW_FSEQ_VERSION: FSEQ Version: 89.3.35.22
00:07<kookikodes>[ 28.867114] iwlwifi 0000:28:00.0: loaded firmware version 59.601f3a66.0 cc-a0-59.ucode op_mode iwlmvm
00:07<kookikodes>[ 28.942277] iwlwifi 0000:28:00.0: Detected Intel(R) Wi-Fi 6 AX200 160MHz, REV=0x340
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00:07<kookikodes>welp, I hope what I was saying is still there sqrt xD
00:08<kookikodes>I was just kicked for trying to paste what I was referring to.
00:08<maxtim>@kookikodes, use pastebin or similar to post shell outputs
00:08<kookikodes>got it xD, again I'm new to this, so thank you very much!
00:09<jm_>as the topic says :)
00:10<kookikodes>here's what I was referring too, again, thank you!
00:10<kookikodes>https://pastebin.com/vDBFDSKd
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00:12<kookikodes>so it loads the firmware and detects the intel device and loads both the bluetooth and ethernet just fine. But wifi is a no go.
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00:13<jm_>did you configure it?
00:13<kookikodes>@jm_ tbh, I'm not sure how xD
00:13<jm_>kookikodes: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse
00:14<jm_>probably the first part (NM) for most people
00:16<kookikodes>I haven't needed to for other devices I've used this on that has wifi. Just curious, is this a device specific thing?
00:16<jm_>did you install with firmware ISO?
00:17<Sqrt{not}>kookikodes, is this a Pop!OS install?
00:17<kookikodes>Yes'm :)
00:17<jm_>ohh, haven't realized we're not dealing with debian
00:18<somiaj>yea, I was wondering where that kernel came from.
00:18<Sqrt{not}>this here is support for Debian linux. for Pop, try this website: https://pop.system76.com/
00:18<kookikodes>Sorry, I think it's my fault for not mentioning xD.
00:18<somiaj>!based on debian
00:18<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
00:19<kookikodes>Okay, I thought I would try as, someone from their chat system referred me here. Understood, thank you!
00:19<Sqrt{not}>kookikodes, out of curiosity, where is their chat system ? :)
00:19<somiaj>there is #linux on libera.chat that can try to help with general linux issues, but we usually stick to debian pure blends here
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00:20<somiaj>mostly because often times what the debian solution is may not be compadable or break other distros
00:20<somiaj>(such as installing software from debian inside the distro)
00:21<kookikodes>They don't have a specific support thing for their OS, only their systems. So they use a general chat system called Mattermost. It's on their website if you scroll all the way down. They call it "Pop!_Chat"
00:22<Sqrt{not}>heh, OK. that's a new one on me ;)
00:22<kookikodes>It was to me as well xD
00:23<kookikodes>I wonder, do you think I should just submit an issue on the github?
00:24<Sqrt{not}>your dmesg line that says "api flags index 2 larger than supported by driver" makes it look like some version mismatch happening there
00:25<kookikodes>Also, this is a clean install, so I was willing to try anything xD.
00:25<somiaj>kookikodes: you could try a debian bullseye live image with non-free firmware, and see if your device works there
00:25<Sqrt{not}>no clue, sorry. we could give lots of advice and help if you decide to install debian.
00:26<Sqrt{not}>or, yes, somiaj's idea is even better, the live image doesn't change your existing install at all
00:26<somiaj>kookikodes: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/bullseye_di_rc3-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/ that should include the firmware and is running a 5.10 kernel. If your device works there, it is something to do with your oses kernel
00:27<kookikodes>Yeah, I couldn't find too much info on that. I completely understand, well, maybe you can convince me. The only reason I like pop os is the window manager is very useful for me. Do you know a good program I could install on Debian that I could configure similar to pop os? Essentially very customizable, with custom keybinds?
00:28<jm_>kookikodes: many wm-s in debian like that
00:28<somiaj>kookikodes: do you know what window manager they use?
00:28<kookikodes>Because, I just want to get linux working, I even tried manjaro with with the non-free (proprietary) drivers and it didn't work.
00:29<kookikodes>It's probably custom built
00:29<kookikodes>because that's their selling point xD
00:29<somiaj>kookikodes: have you found others with similar issues as your with that hardware in google? Could it be it just has bad linux support? Though I would start by trying the bullseye live image. Bullseye will be released in a few days, and if it works, you at least know you can try to get debian working for you
00:30<somiaj>the internet says it is just gnome
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00:31<somiaj>well that is default, seems they have ukui?
00:31<jm_>i3-wm, icewm, openbox, sway for wayland etc.
00:31<kookikodes>Got it, well I do have a Kali-linux live persistent usb and I get the same issues on that usb. Maybe I could hop onto it and trouble shoot it there.
00:31<kookikodes>@jm_ do you have a specific preference on those?
00:31<truth>A conference for developers of package management software software packagers and communities
00:32<truth>https://packaging-con.org/
00:32<somiaj>again kali isn't going to be the same as debian, but it is sounding like it might be your hardware vs actually distro.
00:32<jm_>kookikodes: I used icewm in the past, switched to openbox last year, they are both very configurable, openbox even has a GUI config tool if you need that
00:33<somiaj>i3 is fairly popular these days for a modern window manager. I use fvwm, but it requires a lot of configuration, it is very customaizlab
00:34<jm_>yeah I used fvwm2 way back then in the 90s too
00:34<kookikodes>Yeah, it is seeming that way :( , I just don't want it to be that way. I reached out to the motherboard manufacturer and they mentioned that linux is supported on it xD. I'm clueless at this point, thank you all for the wonderful tips. I guess I'll try debian as a final attempt, since you all are the most active and very helpful :)
00:35<somiaj>I do see ukwm in debian, which might be the window manager being used
00:35<somiaj>,i ukwm
00:35<judd>Package ukwm (x11, optional) in buster/amd64: lightweight GTK+ window manager. Version: 1.1.11-1; Size: 29.4k; Installed: 194k; Homepage: http://www.ukui.org
00:35<somiaj>kookikodes: unless you are actually on a debian system we can't really provide decent support. Unsure if we can get it to work in debian, but we can't really help otherwise
00:36<kookikodes>That's what I mean, I'm going to install debian on this device and I'll be back :)
00:37<somiaj>kookikodes: we can just try it from the bullseye live system, no need to install anything
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00:37<somiaj>also can/did you share the pciid of that device?
00:37<somiaj>what is the output of lscpi -nnn of your wifi card
00:39<kookikodes>it's this per lspci `Network controller: Intel Corporation Wi-Fi 6 AX200 (rev 1a)`
00:39<jm_>it said this in dmesg Detected Intel(R) Wi-Fi 6 AX200 160MHz, REV=0x340
00:39<jm_>:)
00:39<somiaj>what is the pciid?
00:39<kookikodes>Also where do I find bullseye xD
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00:40<somiaj>kookikodes: It won't be released for two days, I gave you a link to some of the release candiate live images
00:40<kookikodes>https://pastebin.com/w9W7FLsX
00:40<kookikodes>Ahhh, alrighty, then I guess I would be back in two days when it's fully released?
00:40<somiaj>https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/bullseye_di_rc3-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/ grab an image frmo there using your desktop of choice
00:41<somiaj>there will be little change in two days, what is there is basically the release, and you can seemelsly update the few packages that change between now and the release
00:41<somiaj>kookikodes: lspci -nnn (please use full commands, I need the pciid)
00:41<kookikodes>whoops xD
00:42<kookikodes>Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wi-Fi 6 AX200 [8086:2723] (rev 1a)
00:42<somiaj>,pciid 8086:2723
00:42<judd>[8086:2723] is 'Wi-Fi 6 AX200' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2723
00:42<somiaj>hmm, I think the bot is a bit outdated for pciid info
00:43<jm_>and kmuto URL :P
00:44<kookikodes>https://linux-hardware.org/index.php?id=pci:8086-2723-8086-0080, It says it's supported in my current kernel, which is good. Let's see if I have the driver xD
00:44<somiaj>looks like that pciid was added to the linux kernel in 5.6, so yea it should be working with a newer kernel. I would try one of those live images I linked, lets see what we can do
00:44<kookikodes>Working on downloading bullseye
00:44<kookikodes>Again thank you so much :) !
00:45<somiaj>well the driver is in the kernel, driver + firmware should be all you need, which it seems you had, but as said, it is more helpful for us if you are in a live system.
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00:45<kookikodes>Absolutely, so, quick question. I'm downloading one of the .iso files correct. Do I need to flash that on to a usb?
00:45<kookikodes>or should I download a vbox instead?
00:46<somiaj>kookikodes: from a linux system, just 'cp file.iso /dev/sdX' where /dev/sdX is your usb stick
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00:46<somiaj>(note it is /dev/sdb not /dev/sdb2 or whatever, copy to the device not a partition, this will destory all data on the usb stick)
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00:46<somiaj>after that you should be able to just boot form the usb stick and be in the live system.
00:47<kookikodes>Alright, sounds good, It's going to be a few minutes :)
00:47<somiaj>no problem
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01:01<kookikodes>I have around 8 minutes left xD
01:01<kookikodes>whoot whoot
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01:12<kookikodes_>alrighty, I'm on my laptop right now, just figured this would be better :)
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01:29<kookikodes_>oh, I couldn't even get to the option of live booting with bullseye.
01:30<kookikodes_>it just says something has gone wrong, would anyone be able to help me with live booting the bullseye?
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01:34<somiaj>what point did it say something has gone wrong? you got throught he initial boot, but when loading xorg you had issues?
01:35<kookikodes_>nvm we're good Xd
01:35<kookikodes_>I chose the wrong portion of the partition
01:35<somiaj>oh good, haha
01:35<kookikodes_>I select the Devian Live with Localisation Support right?
01:35<kookikodes_>Debian*
01:35<somiaj>I don't use the live image, but it should have some localisation support I would imangine
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01:36<kookikodes_>Ot
01:37<somiaj>but I wouldn't worry to much about that, are you able to get your wifi to work is the real question
01:37<kookikodes_>um since my mouse is bluetooth only, how do I get to the settings xD?
01:37<somiaj>no touchpad on the laptop in question?
01:38<kookikodes_>and then I'll figure that out. Sorry, how do I get to the settings using just my keybourd. It's a desktop xD
01:38<somiaj>don't have a usb mouse laying around you could test?
01:38<somiaj>anyways, what desktop did you choose?
01:38<kookikodes_>brb, xfce
01:38<kookikodes_>I'ma try to get a mouse real quick xD
01:39<somiaj>internet says xfce is windows key + I for settings
01:40<kookikodes_>windows key isn't working wierldly enough
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01:43<kookikodes_>alright, I got everything situated
01:43<kookikodes_>and no, wifi is not detected here either :/
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01:44<somiaj>does dmesg says the same thing as your last os?
01:44<somiaj>dmesg | grep iwlwifi have the same error about api flags index 2 larger than supported by driver?
01:45<kookikodes_>it does not, this time it says iwlwifi: probe of 0000:28:00.0 failed with error -110
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01:48<somiaj>,v firmware-iwlwifi
01:48<judd>Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20190114-2; buster-backports/non-free: 20210315-2~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 20210315-3; sid/non-free: 20210315-3; experimental/non-free: 20210322-1~exp1
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01:51<kookikodes_>xd?
01:52<somiaj>yea, I'm unsure what else to try, seems debian gives worse support than your last os, or at least a different error.
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01:52<somiaj>I was just seeing the date on the firmware in debian, but the firmware seems recent enough for that card, 2021-03-15 is fairly recent.
01:53<somiaj>I did wonder if maybe you have some settings ni your firmware for your wifi card you can toggle for better non-windows support
01:54<kookikodes_>possibly, I wouldn't know how to find that xD
01:54<kookikodes_>I'd be willing to give it a shot :)
01:55<somiaj>I found a ubuntu thread about needing some unoffical backport of the iwlwifi driver, getting mixed hits on google on support for this card, see lots having issues, and others it just works
01:56<kookikodes_>yup, that's the same issue I had, it's all so confusing.
01:56<somiaj>is it possible for you to put the whole output of 'lspci | grep iwlwifi' at a pastebin?
01:56<somiaj>!termbin
01:56<dpkg>you can paste to termbin.com from terminal via: nc termbin.com 9999 < /path/to/file
01:56<somiaj>that can work if you have a wired connection on that device, 'lspci | grep iwlwifi | nc termbin.com 9999'
01:57<kookikodes_>Lol, I'm not getting anything from that
01:57<somiaj>grr
01:57<somiaj>dmesg, not lspci (its getting late here)
01:57<kookikodes_>ahhh
01:57<kookikodes_>no worries
01:57<kookikodes_>I appreciate your help!
01:58<kookikodes_>Ymmmm awkwardly enough, the message I posted earlier about it failing with a -110 error is all it gives me
01:58<kookikodes_>umm *
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01:59<somiaj>yea, seems the debian kernel is having more trouble than your last os, well at least you know bullseye won't be a very good solution for your wifi
01:59<somiaj>one option you could use is just give up, and buy a cheap usb wifi dongle and use that
02:01<kookikodes_>Ahahahah, I could definitely do that, I'm just so invested into this now that I don't want to give up xD. I've got intel taking a look at it too, so we shall see. Again, you were very helpful and I appreciate you so very much :) !
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02:03<somiaj>yea, the google is filled with people having various problems with that card, I see firwmare updates, and kernel susggestions, but they are all a bit older than the kernel/firmware that bullseye has, so I doubt that is the issue
02:03<somiaj>I see someone suggestion boot in legacy and not uefi mode and see if that matters...
02:03<kookikodes_>My motherboard Bios only allows UEFI or CSM boot.
02:03<kookikodes_>I wanted to try that one soooo bad
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02:05<kookikodes_>I tried with just UEFI and it didn't work, I made sure Secure Boot is off. But nothing seems to add up. I added this
02:06<somiaj>Yea, seems like you just have hardware that isn't wanting to play nice, well I was just hoping it would just work in bullseye and give Debian a win, it was worth a try.
02:06<somiaj>Although i support debian, you should use the os you like best, and work with them and intel if you want to debug this further, or just take the give up route and get a usb dongle to get by
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02:08<kookikodes_>Yes, it absolutely was worth a try and thank you :) and that's exactly what I'm doing, although the process is a slow burn. Thank you again! I hoped for it as well, one day I'll get to the bottom of this!
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02:09<somiaj>note I have one more debian suggestion, though it migth take some work and require you actually install debian, not use a live image
02:09<somiaj>I do know 5.10 has had a few regressions, and it seems 5.7 and 5.8 is when the driver was added to linux
02:09<somiaj>!snapshot
02:09<dpkg>https://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. https://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412
02:09<somiaj>you could install bullseye, then use snapshot and download older kernels, like 5.7, 5.8, and 5.9 and see if any of the older kernels work better than 5.10
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02:10<somiaj>this is kinda a hell marry, but another route you can take is try differnent kernel versions see if some play nicer than others
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03:25<otisolsen70>I have a laptop with a I219-V Ethernet card. The debian installer does not seem to have a driver for this. Is there anything I can do to install debian on this machine then?
03:25<toolz>what debian version?
03:26<selckin>from google the nonfree has support for it
03:26<grawity>hmm what's its PCI ID
03:26<otisolsen70>toolz, debian 10
03:27<otisolsen70>grawity, how do I see this from the netinst installer?
03:27<otisolsen70>selckin, can I enable nonfree during the netinst installer?
03:27<grawity>good question, does it have `lspci`?
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03:28<grawity>(my laptop has I219-LM and it just uses standard e1000e, I don't think it even loads any firmware)
03:28<selckin>otisolsen70: never used that, but maybe there is something like https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
03:29<toolz>or, I think if you have the possibility to install https://packages.debian.org/buster/firmware-misc-nonfree should work
03:30<toolz>you have to enable non-free repos
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03:35<jm_>otisolsen70: if nothing else you could look at /sys/bus/pci/devices/*/{device,vendor} files
03:37<wyre>clear
03:37<wyre>ups 😆
03:37<otisolsen70>I see there is a new version of the netinst image since the one I have. Maybe it is supported out of the box on the newer netinst image? Or is there no luck for that?
03:38<otisolsen70>I have debian-10.7.0-amd64-netinst (I think)
03:38<jm_>otisolsen70: why not use bullseye installer at this point?
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03:40<otisolsen70>jm_, could do that. was not aware an netinst installer was available.
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03:42<jm_>otisolsen70: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
03:44<otisolsen70>Got this one: debian-bullseye-DI-rc3-amd64-netinst.iso
03:44<otisolsen70>Trying that.
03:44<otisolsen70>But if the driver is non-free then I guess it will not be on there?
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03:44<jm_>the driver probably isn't, the firmware likely is
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03:53<otisolsen70>It works with the buster netinst image.
03:53<otisolsen70>Howerver, now it fails to see the NVMe SSD
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03:55<jm_>the OS or the installer?
03:56<otisolsen70>installer
03:56<otisolsen70>Cannot install the OS because I cannot see the disk
03:57<otisolsen70>Installer asks where to install the OS and it only shows the USB disk I boot off.
03:58<jm_>and you're sure the kernel detected it?
03:59<wyre>hi guys, I'm having problems with tftpd-hpa, apparently it starts but not automatically and despite it's started I cannot retrieve any file from there
03:59<wyre>also I cannot disable the service because it depends on systemd-sysv-install
04:00<wyre>and apparently systemctl status doesn't show if the service is enabled/disabled
04:00<Anarka>wyre: i think i never managed to get that one working, but atftpd had no trouble with
04:01<wyre>Anarka, I had not trouble with hpa's
04:01<wyre>I in fact have another one working
04:02<wyre>bit I don't know why is not working particularly this one ..
04:02<otisolsen70>jm_, found something in dmesg about the nvme device being remapped and that I should change controller to AHCI mode. So I Am trying that in BIOS now
04:03<wyre>it's so strange because apparently systemd is trying to start it despite it's disabled
04:05<otisolsen70>jm_, this seems to work!
04:05<jm_>otisolsen70: cool
04:05<otisolsen70>jm_, thanks for helping.
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04:06<jm_>otisolsen70: I didn't do anything, you found the solution :)
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04:13<wyre>is ufw shipped by default with debian 10?
04:13<otisolsen70>jm_, you pointed me to the buster installer :)
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04:17<jm_>otisolsen70: bullseye, not buster - that's why I was confused about "it works" statement :)
04:17<Fraggle2>wyre: what do you mean with "shipped by default"? It is installable both in 10 and 11.
04:17<jm_>wyre: as in default install?
04:17<otisolsen70>jm_, oh yeah, bullseye.
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04:18<wyre>jm_, yes
04:19<Fraggle2>wyre: it is only a suggestion of openssh-server
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04:24<jm_>wyre: no, it's optional
04:25<wyre>🤔 apparently the problem was ufw
04:25<wyre>I didn't know who installed that
04:25<wyre>but uninstalling it and flushing iptables now the tftpd works again
04:26<wyre>the problem now is that systemd is not starting the tftpd-hpa.service
04:26<Anarka>meh :)
04:26<wyre>I have a tftpd-hpa.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=66/NOINPUT
04:27<jochum>wyre: journalctl -u tftpd-hpa <-- as root
04:27<wyre>jochum, yes, that's what I'm checking
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04:29<wyre>I mean, there's where I saw that Control process exited message
04:32<wyre>why I'm able to start manually the service
04:32<wyre>but systemd is not able to start it automatically?
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04:32<wyre>I don't get it
04:33<wyre>apparently the port 69 is not in use ... because I cannot see it in the output of `ss -tunlp` and I'm able to start the service manually
04:33<wyre>why is not able systemd to start it?
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04:50<wyre>how does systemd-sysv-geneartor?
04:50<wyre>I mean how does it work?
04:50<wyre>apparently it generates a script in /etc/init.d/
04:50<wyre>but isn't there some associated service?
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04:59<jm_>wyre: no, it's the other way arround - generator creates a systemd unit from the init.d script
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05:00<wyre>jm_, where can I see that systemd unit?
05:00<jm_>wyre: try «systemctl list-units | grep tftpd-hpa» to get its name, then «systemctl show ...»
05:01<AndroUser>What time is bullseye getting released?
05:01<jm_>not sure if anyone knows exact time, but should be soon
05:01<wyre>jm_, I have an output with show
05:01<wyre>but I'd like to see the file
05:03<wyre>I'd like to check whether service is enabled or not
05:03<wyre>because I can see the unit with show command
05:03<AndroUser>Cheers
05:03<wyre>but where is located that file?
05:03<ansgar>wyre: `systemctl cat ...` or in /run/systemd/generator*. But neither tells you if it is enabled or not.
05:04<wyre>ansgar, oh, it's in /run/systemd/generator.late
05:05<wyre>but ... there's no created any symlink?
05:05<wyre>🤔 when I use systemctl disable the file disappears from /run/systemd/generator.late
05:06<wyre>but why when I reboot the system it tries to start it again?
05:06<jm_>wyre: I don't think there's a file anywhere
05:07<jm_>well outside of /run
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05:08<Linux77>any can gimme sone tip aboy amdgpu, i have an rtzen 3 3200G and some time ago all working fine with bullseye but i need to reinstall becayse change disks and now i can't install amdgpu correctly, only display show me any if modeset is disable and i tryed várious versions of amd driver and not work with debian driver don't work too, back screen no video! grateful.
05:09<jm_>Linux77: make sure you have required firmware installed
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05:09<wyre>jm_, when I reboot the file is again in /run
05:10<wyre>despite I've disabled the service before rebooting the system
05:10<Linux77>o tryed all firmwares i have found on linux firmware git repo
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05:13<Linux77>the trouble appear on recent bullseye
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05:15<jm_>wyre: try disabling it with /dev/null method
05:15<wyre>jm_, how's that method?
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05:19<jm_>wyre: https://fedoramagazine.org/systemd-masking-units/ apparently mask does that
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05:54<otisolsen70>Is python2 unavailable in debian bullseye?
05:56<jm_>!info python2
05:56<jm_>https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/python2 it is there
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05:57<otisolsen70>jm_ I am trying to install a package that relies on python2. I have installed the package python2.7 but my other package fails with this error: https://paste.yt/p17281.html
05:57<rythmyft>https://wiki.debian.org/Python/2Removal
05:57<otisolsen70>jm_, it needs python >= 2.6.6-3 and < 2.8. I would think python2.7 should satisfy that?
05:58<jm_>otisolsen70: I think there's no pacvkage python in bullseye, that's why - verify that
05:58<jm_>so that package needs to change for debian 11
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05:59<otisolsen70>jm_, oh, so I need to change my debian package to depend on "python2.7" explicitly?
06:00<jm_>otisolsen70: apparently, maybe check https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ 2.2
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06:05<jm_>ahh it's in 4.5 instead If any Python 2 packages remain, the correct dependencies are Depends: python2 (>= 2.Y) and any corresponding python2-foo packages.
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06:08<otisolsen70>jm_, is there a way to just force install this package? I do not care if I break my system at this point as I can just reinstall. I just want to see what breaks.
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06:09<jm_>otisolsen70: yeah see --force-help
06:09<jm_>dpkg --force-help
06:09<dpkg>wish i knew, jm_
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06:11<grove>!wwbr
06:11<dpkg>Debian "Bullseye" is the current testing branch as of 2019-07-06 and it will be released "when it's ready." Release day we're working to currently - as discussed in various mailing lists is August 14th 2021. There's a hard freeze from July 17th with only the most urgent security fixes after that date. The main CD builder died - all disks failed at once, so the current target is August 14th, or even later.
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06:15<otisolsen70>jm_, should I then change header in .py files from #!/usr/bin/python to #!/usr/bin/python2 ?
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06:55<martin_>I noticed that sshguard is currently not in bullseye. Anyone know if it will be in 11 at all?
06:56<andi89gi>martin_ oh no plan sry
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07:01<martin_>no plan to include it you mean? It looks like the bug which caused removal was fixed: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=928525
07:01<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/928525 in sshguard (closed, security, patch): «sshguard: Default configuration does not work as intended, needs configuration update»; severity: grave; opened: 2019-05-06; last modified: 2021-07-27.
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07:06<amacater>Probably too late for the hard, hard freeze on 03/08/2021
07:07<bittin>but hopefully can come in the repos later, if all works?
07:07<amacater>With two days to go until actual release,it might be able to get back in for first bullseye point release if
07:08<amacater>maintainer pushes for it
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07:14<jm_>otisolsen70: according to that doc you should
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07:19<MrHart>How to solve a softraid/fakeraid hardware error?
07:20<MrHart>chkdsk /f usage did not solve the issue. Who can help?
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07:22<MrHart>https://pastebin.com/raw/W9thMcPN
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07:27<colin>hi
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07:27<bittin>hey
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07:28<andi89gi>hey
07:29<grtestuser>hey
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07:30<MrHart>hi
07:31<grtestuser>help away
07:31<MrHart>look's like it
07:31<grtestuser>away test
07:31<grtestuser>back test
07:32<grtestuser>worx
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07:39<grtestuser>userlist
07:40<grtestuser>a few
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07:43<grtestuser>dns aban
07:43<amacater>grtestuser: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRCChannelGuidelines
07:44<amacater>This is a Debian support channel
07:44<grtestuser>fine
07:44<grtestuser>can i get a tool 2 restart my hd?
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07:45<grtestuser>it should know
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07:45<amacater>Restart?
07:46<grtestuser>probably reset the bootloader
07:46<amacater>If you mean partititon a disk / wipe it - I'd suggest gparted for partitioning - resetting a partition table wipes it.
07:46<grtestuser>ext4
07:46<grtestuser>the tool i use doesnt know ext4
07:46<amacater>Reset boot loader - boot into a Debian install medium, use rescue mode, and go from there?
07:47<grtestuser>i need exactly such one
07:47<grtestuser>only i start from live-cd without internet
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07:48<amacater>Start from a Debian live CD then and work through - chroot to your Debian system and rerun update-grub, I think
07:48<grtestuser>i ask myself how its possible 2 chat when the browser doesnt find out
07:48<grtestuser>probably
07:48<amacater>maybe grub -update
07:48<grtestuser>and i'll have 2 go to an internet coffee shop
07:49<amacater>!grub
07:49<dpkg>GNU GRUB 2 is a portable and powerful boot loader. Ask me about <grub config> and <grub default>. To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub2 #grub on irc.libera.chat. See also <grub legacy>.
07:49<amacater>!fixmbr
07:49<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
07:49<grtestuser>hm
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07:50<grtestuser>no fixmbr on my life cd
07:50<rythmyft>I installed Debian into my laptop, but no `plymouth` theme is available on GRUB bootscreen.
07:50<rythmyft>Everything is OK with the installation on virtual machines.
07:51<grtestuser>i\ll do how u explained ty
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07:51<rythmyft>I followed these steps in this wiki page (https://wiki.debian.org/plymouth), but nothing changed.
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07:53<rythmyft>Here is the output of the `plymouth-set-default-theme -l` command.
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08:00<grtestuser>ftp
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08:09<MrHart>Can someone help me?
08:09<azeem>!help
08:09<azeem>!someone
08:09<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
08:09<azeem>(!help is the internal dpkg bot help)
08:10<MrHart>How to solve a softraid/fakeraid hardware error if chckdsk /f won't help?
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08:13<jkc>chkdsk is a Windows-based filesystem consistency check/repair utility. It will never help with raid anything.
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08:14<MrHart>Well that is what was on the screen when I booted a linux livedvd
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08:17<jkc>Sounds like you/it may have tried to access an NTFS filesystem that wasn't marked clean. I am curious as to how Debian fits into all of this.
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08:27<MrHart>It happened after the linux installer crashed.
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08:47<lilideb>Hello guys, whats the difference between: sda & sdb.
08:47<lilideb>Regarding harddrives
08:47<lilideb>is sda the one that linux always be installed on?
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08:48<bittin->lilideb: different drives
08:48<lilideb>bittin> but its not just partitions right?
08:48<lilideb>because i am afraid its all the same disk
08:48<petn-randall>lilideb: Those are two different physical devices.
08:48<bittin->think partitions is numbers, but i can be wrong
08:49<lilideb>one of them is corrupted and i can only see it via lsblk command
08:49<lilideb>thats why i worry since i only can see it in "text"
08:49<petn-randall>lilideb: The partitions (if any) of sda are named sda1, sda2, etc.
08:49<bittin->(ah i thinked right then)
08:50<lilideb>petn-randall> okay, thanks. My linux txt file just keeps getting more unorganized and crazy with all info i write down
08:51<petn-randall>lilideb: I just bookmark the sites that have the info I keep forgetting. :)
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08:55<lilideb>petn-randall> i use to do that XD but im backwards
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09:04<lilideb>Did they update TestDisk or something? Mine does not look like the ones i find in tutorials. I dont get those options when i start it (create log file etc)
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09:33<mac>quit
09:33<mac>bye
09:33<selckin>/quit
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09:34<mac>got it, thanks selckin!
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09:51<sharizat>hello
09:51<sharizat>anyone from Malaysia here?
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09:53<selckin>!anyone
09:53<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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09:57<grtestuser>!help
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10:09<amacater>!ask
10:09<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
10:12<sychill>i don't think i have a file manager. Apparently the only way to add an Ungoogled Chromium extension is to drag-and-drop the xpi file into the UG window.
10:13<sychill>so i guess the question is, how can i find out if I have a file manager installed already?
10:13<imMute>sychill: if you installed a desktop environment task package, you have a file manager
10:13<amacater>sychill - Which version of Debian, which environment
10:14<sychill>bullseye + xorg + wayland + xwayland + sway
10:15<amacater>sychill: Sorry, if it's sway, I've no idea
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10:17<sychill>i don't know if I installed a "desktop environment task package".. i've never been able to keep it straight as far as what is a desktop environment vs. display manager etc.. that whole suite of things is one blob to me
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10:19<amacater>xorg / xwayland are display managers. KDE / GNOME etc. are desktop environments. Sway isn't in Debian yet, I think ...
10:19<imMute>sychill: the desktop environment is the whole kit and kabootle, including a display manager
10:20<imMute>amacater: it appears sway is in bullseye
10:21<amacater>Ask after Saturday :)
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10:21<amacater>xorg/xwayland are servers, then on which everything else depends
10:21<themill>i3 was in jessie... it's not new tech
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10:23<amacater>So I see googling what sway is :)
10:25<vv221>amacater, if X.org and Wayland are "display managers", what would be things like gdm, sddm, slim, etc.? ;)
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10:26<imMute>vv221: those are display managers. xorg and wayland are the underlying graphics stack
10:26<amacater>Ways to log in
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10:41<sychill>i installed thunar because it turns out that Sway is not a “desktop environment” and it does not include a file manager. It did not solve the ultimate problem though.
10:41<sychill>dragging the xpi file from thunar to the chrome://extensions/ tab causes no action.. it just gets ignored
10:42<sychill>i guess it's an Ungoogled Chromium problem
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10:54<iiibill>I am having trouble using 802.1x security on a wired connection. This is a bullseye system and I am using Gnome/netmanager for the configuration. When I enter the cert information the netmanager dialogue is not letting me Apply the configuration. That is the Apply button remains grayed out. I have verified that the password I am using for the private key is correct. Is there some way I can find out what netmanager is unhappy with?
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11:35<sychill>iiibill2: i don't know how to solve your problem, but there may be diagnostic value to trying he nmtui app.
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11:35<sychill>it will give you a text UI to the same configuration
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11:46<iiibill>sychill: Thanks for the pointer. The problem is in the 802.1x specification and I don't see that nmtui supports that yet.
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11:53<spawacz>Can I debootstrap first stage of an arm chroot on my x86 machine and rsync it over to RPi and execute second stage there? I want to avoid installing all the dependencies on the PI which currently has no *-dev packages, only runtime
11:55<amacater>No, not really
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11:55<spawacz>What would go wrong?
11:55<spawacz>becuase all I would need to do is run second stage on the pi, right?
11:55<spawacz>inside the fresh frist stage chroot
11:55<spawacz>does the second stage require some host tools?
11:56<amacater>You'd be better doing it all natively on the Pi, I think, just from complexity point of view
11:57<spawacz>I'll give it a shot anyways.... :)
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12:00<azeem>spawacz: dunno, it sounds like it could work
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12:15<spawacz>hmm should i mount /dev /proc etc when performing second stage debootstrap?
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12:17<spawacz>ischroot returns 2 inside the chroot
12:17<spawacz>weird things are happening oer there
12:20<imMute>yes, you probably need those inside the chroot
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15:34<spawacz>i did 2 stage bootstrap on x86 with qemu static and rsynced it to PI
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15:34<spawacz>it worked as a charm
15:34<spawacz>even X11 forwarding works on the PI :D
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15:37<somiaj>!win spawacz
15:37<dpkg>Congratulations, spawacz! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
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16:30<dkmoon__>Hello everybody
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17:19<r4fkramer>Hi all. Please, is this table correct? this table didn't seem very accurate, judging by its description in one of the columns (Old command - deprecated): https://imgur.com/gallery/ABDjVir
17:19<r4fkramer>'ifconfig -a', 'netstat', 'route', 'arp -v' are still available in Debian; I assume then that they are still valid.
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17:20<r4fkramer>Another question: are 'netstat' and 'ss' absolutely equivalent? It didn't seem to me. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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17:21<another>net-tools have been deprecated for linux for over a decade
17:21<another>`ss` might not have the exact same arguments and flags as `netstat` but it serves the same function
17:22<ansgar>r4fkramer: `ss` provides correct information, `netstat` exposes limited information.
17:22<somiaj>depericated doesn't mean removed, it just means you should move to the more modern tools as they old ones may dissapear at some time.
17:22<another>!net-tools
17:22<dpkg>The net-tools package (including ifconfig, netstat and route commands) is optional starting with stretch. See https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#iproute2 for a quick ref sheet -- users are encouraged to use those iproute2 commands (ip, ss) instead.
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17:22<ansgar>Just like `ifconfig` won't display all assigned IP addresses, but `ip` does.
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17:23<another>they might still be the right choice for freebsd
17:24<r4fkramer>Fine another, thanks for clarifying me about this table. So, it's a correct table.
17:25<another>seems so
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17:36<r4fkramer>now with this information, I am led to this conclusion. What causes me some strangeness is that certain commands that have been deprecated for several years are not removed at once.
17:36<bremner>define "some strangeness"
17:36<r4fkramer>somiaj, I've forgotten to include your name at the end of the sentence. This message is for you :)
17:37<imMute>r4fkramer: when new stuff replaces old stuff, people aren't necessarily ready to switch right away. and developers *really* don't like having stuff pulled out from under them suddenly.
17:37<r4fkramer>Fine, bremner, I meant: "I think this is weird"
17:38<imMute>r4fkramer: and in the case of net-tools, some people are *really* against removing it, even a decade after it's been deprecated and even in the face of multiple deficiencies.
17:38<bremner>people use tools in scripts. scripts stop working when the tools go away
17:39<r4fkramer>Ok inMute. Please, explain me about this: 'some people'... Who are these 'some people' ?
17:40<r4fkramer>I see bremner. Thank you for advice
17:40<somiaj>Just because something is deperciated doesn't mean it doesn't work, pluss other tools may depend on it.
17:41<somiaj>This gives users time to migrate to newer tools. And just because something is depericated doens't mean the old tools can't be used/don't work, they are just not the prefered tools anymore.
17:41<jhujhiti>i think it's important to understand that there is no king giving the deprecation order. distributions can do as they choose, but kernel developers _really_ dislike breaking userland, so both options are still valid tools, at least until one of them gets officially abandoned
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17:43<jhujhiti>this isn't like a deprecated feature in a software library, where the developer is warning that the old method is going away at the next version
17:43<jhujhiti>this is like, "hey, people kind of generally agree we're using this new tool now due to <reasons>"
17:43<somiaj>even then it can vary depending on the software, I've seen 'depericated features' that are still around after 20 years.
17:46<r4fkramer>somiaj, my question was not whether these commands work or not, because I have tested them here, and found that they still work.
17:46<r4fkramer>My question was about the relevance or not if they are still available, as other more modern commands are consequently more effective, as explained earlier.
17:46<r4fkramer>Anyway, the doubt has already been clarified. somiaj, thanks for the usual attention.
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17:48<r4fkramer>Fine jhujhiti, thank you for explanation. Now, it's clear for me.
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17:55<somiaj>r4fkramer: net-tools was not installed by default in bullseye, so they are there are optional tools, but really using the newer tools is preferable.
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17:57<r4fkramer>Yes, somiaj, agree. Dividing my anxiety a bit here: I can't wait to have the stable version of the bullseye.
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17:59<r4fkramer>somiaj, in fact I will definitely use the newest tools. It doesn't make much sense to focus only on the oldest, and already obsolete, ones.
17:59<somiaj>soon enough, most likely just one more update, build the offical install images and make the annoucment, so soon
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17:59<somiaj>depericated to me is not the same as oobsolete
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18:51<r4fkramer>somiaj, I am back. I'm sorry for not replying earlier, I was absent. Well, you say 'depericated' instead of deprecated. What should be this difference ?
18:52<r4fkramer>I'm asking that because table I've shown you list one column as 'deprecated' commands (old commands).
18:53<somiaj>I'm just bad at spelling, sorry about that
18:53<vv221>It's an hybrid of deprecated and depreciated ;P
18:54<somiaj>My fingers just make up words for me
18:54<r4fkramer>somiaj, no worries :)
18:55<r4fkramer>vv221. are you saying seriously or just playing a joke ?
18:56<somiaj>My guess is a joke
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18:58<r4fkramer>yeah, that's my suspicion here
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20:17<love>hi
20:17<love>i am having trouble authenticating with SASL
20:17<love>using xchat on an ubuntu sandbox
20:18<love>i have googled but nothing is revealed that works with the latest version, as there is no option in the network list for SASL authentication
20:18<raven523>does OFTC support SASL yet?
20:18<love>in addition, I cannot find anything anywhere that says anything about SASL
20:18<love>what is OFTC?
20:18<raven523>it didn't when I set up my client last month
20:18<bremner>for help with the network, join #oftc
20:18<raven523>OFTC is the network that this channel is on
20:19<love>i use libera.chat
20:19<bremner>well, right now you're on oftc
20:19<love>but suddenly it doesn't work because it requires SASL authentication
20:19<love>yes, I am aware
20:19<love>I mean no harm.
20:19<bremner>uh. I don't think libera requires sasl
20:19<bremner>maybe for Tor?
20:19<bremner>you can always use webchat to ask them
20:19<love>I am not using Tor.
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20:20<ens>libera doesn't require sasl. freenode suddenly requires sasl but freenode is dead so don't go there.
20:20<bremner>and freenode is typosquatting libera.net
20:20<bremner>because, asshats.
20:20<ens>irc.libera.chat is the correct libera irc.
20:21<love>is it because i am using a VPN?
20:21<bremner>no idea.
20:21<love>"* *** Notice -- You need to identify via SASL to use to use this server."
20:21<bremner>well. again, ask them.
20:21<love>webchat is bork
20:21<love>also the SASL message.
20:22<bremner>well seriously, how are we supposed to know what libera's policies are?
20:22<love>i only ask to be able to enable SASL authentication
20:22<love>but I can understand why you would not want to help me
20:22<raven523>did you register with NickServ?
20:22<bremner>well, you're also not using Debian?
20:23<love>I am.
20:23<ens>i just tested using https://web.libera.chat/ and it worked fine with the defaults without needing to auth anything.
20:23<love>Well, a flavor. I like debian.
20:23<love>I really like bunsenlabs a lot.
20:24<bremner>this channel doesn't support derivatives, just actual debian.
20:25<spawacz>when is bullseye going live?
20:25<spawacz>Can't wait :D
20:25<love>that is exciting news.
20:25<love>I will have to switch to debian sometime soon.
20:25<love>Goodbye my friends
20:25<love>a thousand blessings richly
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20:50<crazyfrog>hello, can someone help me with lxc, ping is not working with this configuration: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/b8cdc0bb/
20:51<crazyfrog>no connect to remote host possible with this configuration, i setup already a container, my first lxc container
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21:12<zebrag>Is it party time yet?
21:12<wswartz>For what, Bullseye? I'm sitting here waiting.
21:12<wswartz>Been looking forward to this for over a year now.
21:12<zebrag>;)
21:13<somiaj>Why not start partying early, I assume they are working hard.
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21:14<zebrag>Support is now closed. Let's party.
21:14<somiaj>!party
21:14<dpkg>i guess party is Lego, and alcohol
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21:15*ens is already celebrating by installing bullseye in a vm while having a guinness
21:15<dvs>????
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21:16<superkuh>I'm on bullseye but with 4.19 from buster because anything past 5.6.0 doesn't support the full MBR bootlist spec for arbitrarily position on the disk. But 4.19 does.
21:17<somiaj>that's strange, is there a bug about that with the kernel?
21:17<superkuh>Not that I know. I'm still in the middle of pinning down the exact commit. But after realizing 4.19 works fine for everything my motivation to do the work went away fast.
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21:19<somiaj>I've been running apt update on my bullseye machine to often hoping to see the change.
21:19<somiaj>though I don't execpt much for about 12-24 hours from now.
21:19<wswartz>I was hoping everything would go live at midnight UTC.
21:19<wswartz>Guess not.
21:20<somiaj>I alot is manual I belive, so it is done at a time all the various teams can coordinate.
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21:41<alex11>can someone help me with the rsync manpage - what does --delete do? there's --delete-during and --delete-after but no explanation given for --delete
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21:42<wswartz>I use it to remove items in the destination that are not in the source.
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21:42<alex11>yes, i know, but the thing is that the other options do the same
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21:43<alex11>i want to know what difference there is between delete, delete-after, delete-during, etc
21:43<somiaj>I see it in the manual page, --delete delete extraneous files from dest dirs
21:43<alex11>yes but during or after or what
21:43<wswartz>Well according to the Ubuntu 20.04 man page, --delete-after transfers the file, then it gets deleted by the receiver.
21:43<alex11>it does say --del is an alias for --delete-during
21:43<alex11>no, look, i know what delete-after is
21:43<alex11>i just don't know what --delete does
21:43<alex11>in terms of time frame
21:44<wswartz>Use the -v option and experiment with them.
21:45<somiaj>"Because of this, the default delete mode when you specify --delete is now --delete-during when both ends of the connection are at least 3.0.0"
21:45<alex11>forget it
21:45<dvs>alex11: read later in the man page
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21:45<dvs>exactly
21:45<alex11>thank you
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21:46<wswartz>So is the "transfer" all files being transferred?
21:46<somiaj>seems --delete was an older flag that maybe wasn't as well defined, the manual page suggest you just use --del or --delete-during "to request this improved deletion mode"
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21:46<wswartz>Because --delete seems to delete everything not in a source directory, and then sync that directory.
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21:53<somiaj>,v rsync
21:53<judd>Package: rsync on amd64 -- stretch-security: 3.1.2-1+deb9u1; stretch: 3.1.2-1+deb9u2; buster: 3.1.3-6; buster-backports: 3.2.3-3~bpo10+1; bullseye: 3.2.3-4; sid: 3.2.3-4
21:54<alex11>people have recommended borgbackup but it's new and scary so i'm probably using an inferior option in rsync or something :P
21:54<somiaj>seems version 3.0.0 is quite old, so --delete is just basically another alias for --delete-during unless you have a very old version.
21:55<alex11>also protip, never delete and start over when doing backups
21:55<alex11>takes way too long for the initial 'pass'
21:56<alex11>(i am stupid)
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22:02<jhutchins>wswartz: A new release requires a significant amount of (volunteer) manpower. It's done when the software is ready, not on a scheduled date, so queing it up in advance would waste valuable time.
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22:02<jhutchins>wswartz: Usually it starts at a reasonable (European) hour, and often takes most of the day.
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22:03<alex11>do -u and --del work together or are they superfluous when used in conjunction?
22:03<alex11>nvm
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22:28<crazyfrog>hello, can someone help me with lxc, ping is not working with this configuration: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/b8cdc0bb/
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22:41<Passerby>I would like to change the host name that my system broadcasts to Wi-Fi networks, but I do not want to change my system's actual host name. Is this possible?
22:41<somiaj>Passerby: I think you can configure this in dhclient
22:42<Passerby>Excellent. I will look into that and report back.
22:42<Passerby>Thank you.
22:43<somiaj>check /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf --> look for 'send-hostname = gethostname();', there is a comment there about how you can make it the hostname you want to send to the wifi router when requesting an ip over dhcp
22:43<somiaj>this assumes you use dhclient for dhcp (default)
22:44<Passerby>You're right! Thanks again. I was looking at /etc/dhclient.conf.
22:44<somiaj>actually just replace gethostname() with "hostname.you.want.to.use"
22:44<somiaj>wonder if that was moved in bullseye, since it is in /etc/dhcp/ on my system
22:45<somiaj>If you look deeper you can also make it so it sends different hostnames depending on which interface
22:46<Passerby>Yes, I see that in the SAMPLE section of the man page.
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23:40<alex11>D E B I A N 1 1 R E L E A S E D A Y
23:40<alex11>:-)
23:42<Abrax>i hope my server doesnt die from the upgrade
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