| --- | Log | opened Sun Aug 15 00:00:53 2021 |
| --- | Day | changed Sun Aug 15 2021 |
| 00:00 | <xnaas> | ah, running another full-upgrade seems to have resolved it |
| 00:01 | <xnaas> | thanks! |
| 00:01 | <somiaj> | what package did it have to remove? |
| 00:01 | <somiaj> | are you sure you didn't want that package? just thinkgs to check |
| 00:01 | <xnaas> | https://gist.github.com/b44e4c413c17f8f8b4099bcf3e6137a8 |
| 00:01 | <xnaas> | none of these are things I recognize in any way, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 00:01 | <xnaas> | assuming it's all normal built-in debian stuff :P |
| 00:01 | <somiaj> | also check 'apt search ~o' or 'apt remove ~o' to deal with any obsolete packages you may still have on your system. |
| 00:01 | <somiaj> | yea, might just be some obslete packages |
| 00:02 | <somiaj> | ,v libgc1c2 |
| 00:02 | <judd> | Package: libgc1c2 on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.4.2-8; buster: 1:7.6.4-0.4; sid: 1:7.6.4-0.4 |
| 00:02 | <somiaj> | yea, an obslete package |
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| 00:02 | <xnaas> | "apt search ~o" didn't have anything, so presumably all good now. |
| 00:02 | <xnaas> | overall, the 10 → 11 upgrade was pretty painless 👏 |
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| 00:03 | <xnaas> | had to recreate a python venv for an irc bot, but that was the largest pain, everything else (other than above random leftover package) was good :D |
| 00:04 | <xnaas> | thanks again 👍 |
| 00:04 | <somiaj> | was it due to python2 being no more, or just your old enviorment wasn't compadable with the newer version of python3 (though I guess if it was hardcoded to like python3.7 and changing to python3.9 would break it) |
| 00:04 | <somiaj> | glad things were mostly painless, debian tries hard on that front..can't always get everything, but most work |
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| 00:05 | <xnaas> | yeah, it didn't like the 3.7.x to 3.9.x upgrade, even when doing "python -m venv --upgrade /path/to/venv" |
| 00:05 | <lifesgood__> | once I managed to buid a bot to chat with me. was the most boring thing I did in my whole life. |
| 00:05 | <xnaas> | so I just recreated the venv and install packages through pip again and tada |
| 00:05 | <somiaj> | well good, I haven't used enough venv's to deal with this just yet |
| 00:06 | <lifesgood__> | the best bot in maktet is at most brainless. |
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| 00:14 | <alex11> | 'open' is an interesting change |
| 00:15 | <somiaj> | ?? |
| 00:17 | <alex11> | xdg-open |
| 00:17 | <alex11> | https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#open-command |
| 00:19 | <somiaj> | ahh yea, since I guess xdg-open is 4 too many characters |
| 00:19 | <lifesgood__> | one thing that I see very useful in fish shell is when you type the word and it searches smartly the closest word and if you decide to use type right arrow. Is a clever improvement in bash.history, dont you think? |
| 00:19 | <somiaj> | though I guess I htink the idea is it allows for other tools besides xdg-open to be used since it uses the alternative system, which provides more variety |
| 00:20 | <somiaj> | lifesgood__: yea various tools like that, some like dmenu_run for a similar reason |
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| 00:23 | <alex11> | guess i might uninstall rsyslog |
| 00:23 | <alex11> | now that it's persistent systemd journal |
| 00:24 | <imMute> | alex11: I uninstalled rsyslog like 3 years ago. journalctl for lyfe |
| 00:24 | <alex11> | bash: python: command not found :D |
| 00:24 | <alex11> | good riddance |
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| 00:26 | <somiaj> | alex11: apt install python-is-python3 if you want the similink |
| 00:26 | <alex11> | oh cool |
| 00:26 | <lifesgood__> | wt? |
| 00:27 | <lifesgood__> | python2 --version python3 --version |
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| 00:27 | <themill> | hard to see that an unversioned symlink is a good thing |
| 00:28 | <somiaj> | the link /usr/bin/python (which starting with bullseye is no longer required to be python2) can optionally be made as a link to python3 for those who still want to run 'python' vs 'python3' |
| 00:28 | <somiaj> | though probably don't use this in shebangs, always version your shebang properly |
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| 00:36 | <alex11> | i was honestly expecting a ton of configuration change fonts and it only happened with one thing |
| 00:36 | <alex11> | the rest of it was very automagic |
| 00:36 | <alex11> | err |
| 00:36 | <alex11> | configuration change prompts* |
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| 00:36 | <somiaj> | It should only ask if you manually change the configuration files |
| 00:37 | <alex11> | oh hmm |
| 00:37 | <alex11> | aaaaaaa, shit, i have to revert this one then :P |
| 00:37 | <somiaj> | yea, debconf stores md5sums of configuration files, and will only ask if you don't want the default during the upgrade if this md5sum doesn't match (hence you or some script manually changed the conf file) |
| 00:38 | <alex11> | i misunderstood then |
| 00:38 | <alex11> | oh well no big deal |
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| 00:39 | <somiaj> | yea, basically it is setup to not mess with personal configurations, but if you just use the default, it assumes you want the newer default |
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| 00:40 | <lifesgood__> | just to mention, when I do a standard installation, one extra that I cant miss I Geany app, its so simple to manage text, lightweight, recognizes lots of languages. Is a piece of art that cant disapear never. |
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| 00:41 | <somiaj> | lifesgood__: did it use to be in debian? |
| 00:41 | <lifesgood__> | yes |
| 00:42 | <somiaj> | ahh guess I missunderstood you, it appears to still be in debian |
| 00:42 | <somiaj> | ,v geany |
| 00:42 | <judd> | Package: geany on amd64 -- stretch: 1.29-1; buster: 1.33-1; bookworm: 1.37.1-2; bullseye: 1.37.1-2; sid: 1.37.1-3 |
| 00:42 | <lifesgood__> | imspler to do annotations not complex |
| 00:42 | <lifesgood__> | could be in stndard installation |
| 00:42 | <somiaj> | debian standard doens't mean what you think it does |
| 00:42 | <somiaj> | !standard |
| 00:42 | <dpkg> | standard task is, like, a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>. |
| 00:43 | <somiaj> | this is actually a very small set of software (that doesn't even have a gui) |
| 00:43 | <somiaj> | anything after standard is optional, and the user should just get use to installing the optional packages they want. But I doubt this will be picked up by default by any DE, so just install it yourself |
| 00:44 | <lifesgood__> | well I install on separate, but for sure has gui |
| 00:45 | <somiaj> | I'm just pointing out that what debian means by 'standard' is a very minimial setup, and almost everything in debian is 'optional' |
| 00:45 | <somiaj> | though I suspect you are using the installing a DE task, though I doubt (since it really isn't developed by the big DE teams) geany will make its way into the DE meta-package depends |
| 00:47 | <lifesgood__> | I always prefer it than staroffice, openoffice, they are too much complex for small tasks |
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| 00:48 | <somiaj> | yup, I use vim, though I'm sure there are emacs lovers lurking out there |
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| 02:05 | <mechanic> | Hey, trying to add my scanner to debian, but having issues finding it, as it is not within the same network :/ is there a way to add a scanner permanently like printers with lpadmin? |
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| 02:11 | <jochum> | mechanic: what model is it? |
| 02:11 | <mechanic> | Brother MFC-L2710DW |
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| 02:12 | <mechanic> | so, my main network is in the 10.0.0.0/24 space, but my pc I want to add the scanner to (I already added the printer) is in 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 02:12 | <mechanic> | eh, more like printer part, as it's a mfc |
| 02:14 | <jochum> | mechanic: you can ping it? |
| 02:14 | <mechanic> | yes |
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| 02:15 | <jochum> | mechanic: seems brother has .deb's for that printer - https://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadlist.aspx?c=at&lang=de&prod=mfcl2700dw_us_eu_as&os=128&flang=English |
| 02:15 | <jochum> | mechanic: did you try those? |
| 02:16 | <mechanic> | no, I am using the eSCL protocol |
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| 02:17 | <jochum> | mechanic: maybe someone else is able to help you, I've helped some people to install a scanner but not with your multi network + eSCL configuration :/ |
| 02:18 | <mechanic> | jochum I figured it out right now, I just had to add the scanner url (with a name) to /etc/sane.d/airscan.conf |
| 02:18 | <jochum> | mechanic: great! |
| 02:18 | <jochum> | And thanks for letting me now. |
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| 02:19 | <mechanic> | jochum I want to avoid as much as possible the brother drivers, as those are stuck on i386 :/ |
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| 02:19 | <mechanic> | yw :) |
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| 02:37 | <mechanic> | jochum damn, so it tells it "finds" the scanner, but can't scan :/ |
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| 02:42 | <jochum> | mechanic: can you test it by moving it to your 10.0.0.0 network? |
| 02:42 | <jochum> | mechanic: if so, move it back after and see what tcpdump gives. :) |
| 02:42 | <mechanic> | jochum in the 10.0.0.0 space, everything works fine (as it can be auto discovered by all tools) |
| 02:42 | <jochum> | mechanic: maybe some f.....g broadcast packages |
| 02:43 | <jochum> | also brother talks about this outgoing ports for theier scan software: "UDP: 54925 TCP: 54921" |
| 02:44 | <jochum> | maybe eSCL has others, i don't know. |
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| 02:45 | <mechanic> | jochum yeah it works over 443 (if encrypted) |
| 02:45 | <jochum> | hmm on the debian page i read about that: avahi-browse -rt _uscan._tcp avahi-browse -rt _uscans._tcp - https://wiki.debian.org/SaneOverNetwork#Scanning_with_the_eSCL_Protocol |
| 02:46 | <jochum> | mechanic: which sounds for me like you need proxy/forward mdns |
| 02:46 | <jochum> | mechanic: not sure if its a solution though :/ |
| 02:46 | <mechanic> | jochum i tried those even in 10.0.0.0 and they don't work here :/ |
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| 02:46 | <jochum> | ok |
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| 02:48 | <jochum> | mechanic: so you have a PC in the other space, what about tcpdump/wireshark a scan? |
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| 02:48 | <jochum> | mechanic: while i google eSCL and multi networks |
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| 02:49 | <mechanic> | in which space 10.0.0.0 or 192.168.1.0? |
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| 02:50 | <trench> | nmap ? |
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| 02:50 | <jochum> | mechanic: https://community.ui.com/questions/Airprint-on-different-Subnet/115615fb-17f2-4e8c-8ac8-3807c378589c <-- this is interesting (Airprint relays on mDNS someone says) |
| 02:51 | <jochum> | mechanic: scan over eSCL in the 10.0.0.0/24 space and see if tcpdump gives any broadcast shit |
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| 02:53 | <trench> | https://github.com/Cubix651/escl-scanner |
| 02:53 | <mechanic> | yeah sounds like I need a mdns repeater, so lets see http://paste.debian.net/1207710/ |
| 02:54 | <trench> | why? :P |
| 02:56 | <trench> | https://gist.github.com/markosjal/79d03cc4f1fd287016906e7ff6f07136 |
| 02:56 | <trench> | go read there maybe? |
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| 02:57 | <trench> | https://github.com/alexpevzner/sane-airscan or there? |
| 02:58 | <mechanic> | trench i am trying to use airscan, which works in 10.0.0.0 but not 192.168.1.0 space |
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| 02:59 | <trench> | mechanic: did you read the last page? |
| 03:00 | <jochum> | trench: last page of? |
| 03:01 | <trench> | https://github.com/alexpevzner/sane-airscan |
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| 03:02 | <trench> | https://github.com/alexpevzner/eSCL-protocol-traces |
| 03:02 | <xormor> | where do I see if my system automatically upgraded itself during the night time? |
| 03:03 | <trench> | you can check /var/log/apt |
| 03:05 | <trench> | mechanic: https://github.com/alexpevzner/airscan-discover that one also |
| 03:05 | <mechanic> | trench yeah that one I already read, but as airscan can't find the scanner, and if I add it manually, it won't work :/ can't connect it says |
| 03:06 | <jochum> | xormor: mabe unattended-upgrades it is, not sure what you mean by "upgrades in the night" |
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| 03:08 | <trench> | mechanic: did you try this tool: https://github.com/alexpevzner/airscan-discover |
| 03:08 | <mechanic> | more likely also in /var/log/unattended-upgrade/ |
| 03:08 | <mechanic> | trench yes, can't find anything |
| 03:10 | <jochum> | mechanic: so you gonna add a mDNS repeater on your router? |
| 03:10 | <mechanic> | jochum I already did, but still nothing |
| 03:10 | <jochum> | mechanic: when you open the scan app, does it do mDNS? |
| 03:10 | <jochum> | in the 10.0.0.0 network |
| 03:10 | <mechanic> | yes |
| 03:11 | <jochum> | mechanic: so it works over mDNS ? |
| 03:11 | <jochum> | mechanic: what does it resolv? |
| 03:11 | <jochum> | _uscan.local or something? |
| 03:11 | <mechanic> | within the same space yes |
| 03:11 | <jochum> | _uscan._tcp |
| 03:12 | <mechanic> | no the brother mfc doesn't advertise it in my lan :/ |
| 03:12 | <jochum> | but resolving the same with avahi doesn't return anything in 10.0.0.0 ? |
| 03:12 | <mechanic> | avahi-browse doesn't return anything (except when I --all) |
| 03:12 | <jochum> | mechanic: so how does the scan app find the brother in 10.0.0.0 ? |
| 03:13 | <mechanic> | through the eSCL advertisements _shrug_ |
| 03:14 | <jochum> | I see, can you enable mDNS in the Printer? |
| 03:15 | <mechanic> | it is enabled :/ |
| 03:15 | <mechanic> | i will boot my 10.0.0.0 device, so i can show you the avahi-browse |
| 03:15 | <jochum> | mechanic: I'm guessing all the time mate :) |
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| 03:18 | <mechanic> | lol, now it's advertising _uscans._tcp |
| 03:18 | <jochum> | great! |
| 03:18 | <mechanic> | paste.debian.net/1207711 |
| 03:18 | <mechanic> | but only on the 10.0.0.0 network |
| 03:18 | <jochum> | then we need to fix the repeater? |
| 03:19 | <mechanic> | seems so |
| 03:21 | <jochum> | mechanic: any details you can give about your router? |
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| 03:21 | <Q-FUNK> | E: Repository 'http://security.debian.org testing-security InRelease' changed its 'Codename' value from 'bullseye-security' to 'bookworm-security' |
| 03:22 | <Q-FUNK> | that's expected, since bullseye was released, but how do I get APT to accept the new data? |
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| 03:22 | <mechanic> | jochum it's a wifi repeater with openwrt, already port forwarded 5353/udp |
| 03:22 | <raven523> | change testing-security in sources.list(.d) to bullseye-security |
| 03:22 | <mechanic> | raven523 not what he was asking |
| 03:22 | <jochum> | Q-FUNK: you mean without asking? |
| 03:22 | <mechanic> | Q-FUNK it should autoaccept, as it's only an info |
| 03:23 | <Q-FUNK> | mechanic: it's not an info. it's an error. the line starts with E, and APT exits with an error. |
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| 03:24 | <jochum> | Q-FUNK: hmm i have no security.... testing-security for me it just worked, by pressing y for each question i got. |
| 03:24 | <Q-FUNK> | jochum: there's probably an option to tell it to accept the codename change and pull that one. |
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| 03:26 | <jochum> | Q-FUNK: apt-get update --allow-releaseinfo-change |
| 03:27 | <Q-FUNK> | jochum: thanks |
| 03:27 | <jochum> | mechanic: port-forward wont help, you need a repeater let me see |
| 03:27 | <mechanic> | jochum i did install avahi with reflect enabled |
| 03:27 | <themill> | !apt suite changed |
| 03:27 | <dpkg> | If the codename or release status of the release you are using changes (such as testing changes from bullseye to bookworm), apt-get will complain about changes to the release information on the mirror. apt(8) will prompt you to accept changes; apt-get(8) will need --allow-releaseinfo-change |
| 03:28 | <jochum> | mechanic: seemts its easy: https://openwrt.org/docs/guide-developer/mdns |
| 03:28 | <jochum> | themill: do you know if theres testing-security? I was always thinking theres nothing in there? |
| 03:29 | <themill> | the archive exists; it is unlikely to have anything in it for 2 years |
| 03:30 | <Q-FUNK> | themill: I dunno. bullseye-{security,update} started having content sometimes around when the soft freeze started. |
| 03:30 | <themill> | which will be in about 2 years time... |
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| 03:31 | <jochum> | So it's basically a good idea to have it? |
| 03:31 | <Q-FUNK> | it never hurts to have them both :) |
| 03:31 | <themill> | yeah, the idea is that it can exist harmlessly in your sources.list; if a package really needs to go into testing-security it can and you'll see it. |
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| 03:32 | <Q-FUNK> | https://paste.debian.net/1207713/ |
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| 03:32 | <Q-FUNK> | I have this on all my hosts. replace stable with testing on that one lonely testing host I keep. |
| 03:33 | <themill> | I would strongly advise against using 'stable' in your sources.list |
| 03:33 | <Q-FUNK> | why? |
| 03:33 | <themill> | !stable sources.list |
| 03:33 | <dpkg> | Despite the fact previous installers, countless websites and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list (prior to apt 0.9.6) will tell you to do this, do *not* use "stable" in your sources.list; use the release code name instead (e.g. "bullseye"). Upgrading between releases has not been trivial for a decade; make sure you read the <release notes> and ask me about <buster->bullseye>, <jessie sources.list>. |
| 03:34 | <themill> | upgrading between releases needs to be a conscious act that is planned |
| 03:35 | <Q-FUNK> | that info sounds rather outdated. there's hasn't been any issue with upgrades ever since autopktest was implemented. |
| 03:35 | <mechanic> | jochum, hm so verified everything again, avahi is repeating mdns but still no luck :/ |
| 03:35 | <themill> | Q-FUNK: umm, yeah, nah. |
| 03:36 | <themill> | Q-FUNK: that becomes even more true with every release. The list of things to watch out for in the upgrade gets longer and more worrying each release. |
| 03:36 | <jochum> | mechanic: i wrote you a private message |
| 03:36 | <mechanic> | yeah sorry, i blocked pms |
| 03:37 | <jochum> | kk |
| 03:37 | <jochum> | mechanic: so your scan app doesn't show the scanner? |
| 03:37 | <jochum> | in 192.168.1.x ? |
| 03:37 | <mechanic> | yes |
| 03:38 | <jochum> | mechanic: does it ask for _uscan in tcpdump ? |
| 03:38 | <Q-FUNK> | themill: I dunno. Here, from one release to the next, I keep on having fewer and fewer upgrade loops or other issues to resolve. |
| 03:38 | <jochum> | its so great we are on Linux, we can actually fix stuff :) |
| 03:38 | <mechanic> | jochum I assume for whatever reason that openwrt doesn't broadcast mdns :/ |
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| 03:40 | <jochum> | mechanic: did you follow the mdns link ? |
| 03:40 | <themill> | Q-FUNK: I'm pleased for you that you are so lucky. |
| 03:40 | <mechanic> | jochum yes |
| 03:40 | <jochum> | mechanic: for your avahi-browser mDNS works? |
| 03:41 | <mechanic> | which ip space do you mean? |
| 03:42 | <Q-FUNK> | !buster->bullseye |
| 03:42 | <themill> | dpkg, buster->bullseye |
| 03:42 | <dpkg> | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of <release notes> https://deb.li/39cyD . TL;DR: In /etc/apt/sources.list change "buster" to "bullseye", fix the line for security updates (see <bullseye-security>), remove stable-specific lines like buster-backports. apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> cause problems with upgrades. If working over ssh, upgrade ssh first, see <bullseye ssh upgrade>. |
| 03:43 | <themill> | (You can't trigger factoids using ! if there's a -> in the factoid name. You do not want to know why.) |
| 03:44 | <Q-FUNK> | regex |
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| 03:44 | <Afik> | Hi all, |
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| 03:45 | <jochum> | hi |
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| 03:46 | <Afik> | After yesterday release, trying to run apt-get update and failed on this error: E: Repository 'http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates InRelease' changed its 'Suite' value from 'stable' to 'oldstable'. any help will be appreciated. |
| 03:46 | <mechanic> | jochum which ip space do you mean? |
| 03:46 | <jochum> | mechanic: 192 |
| 03:47 | <mechanic> | jochum nope |
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| 03:47 | <jochum> | mechanic: so same command works in 10 but not in 192 ? |
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| 03:47 | <mechanic> | jochum yes |
| 03:48 | <jochum> | mechanic: I don't know openwrt has it rules for Firewall to LAN/DMZ ? |
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| 03:49 | <mechanic> | yup, triple verified it here :/ |
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| 03:49 | <jochum> | mechanic: I assume you have shell access do you have a mdns client on it? |
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| 03:49 | <jochum> | mechanic: maybe a Switch blocking broadcast packages? |
| 03:49 | <jochum> | Some "managed" switches do that |
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| 03:50 | <mechanic> | jochum have shell access, trying to get avahi running :0 |
| 03:50 | <colin> | hi |
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| 03:51 | <r4fkramer> | Hi all. Finally, Bullseye now in stable version ! Congratulations to All Debian Community for more this Achievement! God bless you always!!! |
| 03:51 | <themill> | dpkg: tell Afik about apt suite changed |
| 03:51 | <Guest4409> | ok |
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| 03:51 | <colin_> | d r e |
| 03:52 | <jochum> | dpkg: tell Jochum a secret |
| 03:52 | <jochum> | "<dpkg> No, jochum, I won't. (target invalid?)" :) |
| 03:52 | <jochum> | Nice bot |
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| 03:53 | <colin_> | i am using linux mint 17.3 cinnamon |
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| 03:56 | <jochum> | colin_: old one that is, he? |
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| 03:57 | <colin_> | no |
| 03:57 | <jochum> | mechanic: found this one: https://blog.christophersmart.com/2020/03/30/resolving-mdns-across-vlans-with-avahi-on-openwrt/ |
| 03:58 | <jochum> | Linked in the other mdns guide I linked you. |
| 03:59 | <colin_> | ok nevermind |
| 03:59 | <jochum> | "It linked in the other guide which i linked you, which linked to another guide that links to this one ;P" <--- hahaha :) |
| 03:59 | <colin_> | im not going here |
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| 03:59 | <jochum> | colin_: what you mean? |
| 04:00 | <colin_> | im not going to this link |
| 04:02 | <jochum> | I'm not able to give you link that breaks your computer :) |
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| 04:03 | <colin_> | oh ok : ) |
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| 04:06 | <mechanic> | jochum yeah no idea how I get this fixed :/ read through, but when I install the dbus version of avahi, avahi doesn't start (with dbus started) |
| 04:06 | <colin_> | ok |
| 04:06 | <jochum> | mechanic: can you open a PM to me? |
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| 04:18 | <colin_> | ??? |
| 04:19 | <scorpion2185[m]> | !11 |
| 04:19 | <dpkg> | Bullseye is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 11, released 2021-08-14. Bullseye is Woody's horse in Toy Story 2, see https://wiki.debian.org/DebianBullseye . Ask me about <install bullseye>, <release notes>, <buster->bullseye> <bullseye-security>. |
| 04:19 | <scorpion2185[m]> | so was release yesterday in the end? |
| 04:19 | <scorpion2185[m]> | *was it released |
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| 04:20 | <colin_> | i dont know |
| 04:23 | <mechanic> | scorpion2185[m] yes |
| 04:23 | <colin_> | ok |
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| 04:31 | <colin_> | im bored |
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| 04:36 | <scorpion2185[m]> | is the dvd1 available? |
| 04:37 | <somiaj> | Yes |
| 04:37 | <somiaj> | I saw it was already built, other dvd's haven't been unless you use jidgo |
| 04:37 | <scorpion2185[m]> | I only see net-inst https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/bt-cd/ |
| 04:38 | <scorpion2185[m]> | I checked torrent |
| 04:38 | <somiaj> | because you are looking at 'cd' not 'dvd' |
| 04:38 | <scorpion2185[m]> | right |
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| 04:43 | <scorpion2185[m]> | but the link says CD/DVD and opens CD. I manually entered DVD |
| 04:45 | <scorpion2185[m]> | bug? |
| 04:46 | * | enyc meows |
| 04:46 | <themill> | scorpion2185[m]: "the link" |
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| 04:46 | <enyc> | those are .torrent files |
| 04:46 | <enyc> | the bt- directory is where bittorrent links are |
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| 04:48 | <scorpion2185[m]> | Download CD/DVD images with BitTorrent https://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 04:49 | <themill> | scorpion2185[m]: that goes to a page that lists CD images and DVD image? |
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| 04:49 | <scorpion2185[m]> | NO that goes to my first link only CD. I manually entered DVD to find it |
| 04:50 | <scorpion2185[m]> | and states: Download CD/DVD images with BitTorrent |
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| 04:51 | <themill> | scorpion2185[m]: "Download CD/DVD images with BitTorrent" is a link to https://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
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| 04:51 | <scorpion2185[m]> | yes only CD but it says CD/DVD |
| 04:52 | <themill> | and https://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ has both CDs and DVDs. |
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| 04:53 | <scorpion2185[m]> | I can see only net-inst (amd64) |
| 04:53 | <scorpion2185[m]> | DVD link is hidden, it seems |
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| 04:55 | <themill> | net-inst is not even on that page. |
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| 05:20 | <crazyfrog> | hello, after lxc installation and setting up /etc/network/interfaces i can't connect to the host anymore, can someone help me please: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/9cac4451/ |
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| 05:21 | <EmleyMoor> | Is there "bullseye-updates", like "buster-updates" which replaced "volatile"? |
| 05:22 | <raven523> | what happens when you try to access the host? |
| 05:22 | <crazyfrog> | no ping, no connect |
| 05:22 | <raven523> | does ping just time out? do you get 'destination host unreachable'? |
| 05:22 | <crazyfrog> | time out |
| 05:23 | <raven523> | does the interface in the container have the address and route set up? |
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| 05:23 | <crazyfrog> | no where i have to put the ip of the container in? |
| 05:24 | <crazyfrog> | $ lxc-ls -f shows no ip |
| 05:25 | <raven523> | in this case you could run a DHCP client or enable IPv6 Router Advertisements to get an address from the host's router |
| 05:27 | <crazyfrog> | ok but i need always the same ip address for the container |
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| 05:28 | <raven523> | did you set up /etc/network/interfaces in the container, or whatever the equivalent is for the distro in the container? |
| 05:28 | <crazyfrog> | no |
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| 05:28 | <crazyfrog> | should i do this? |
| 05:28 | <raven523> | yes |
| 05:28 | <crazyfrog> | ok thanks |
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| 05:30 | <crazyfrog> | but the conatiner is not starting, https://paste.debian.net/hidden/d2df89df/ |
| 05:31 | <raven523> | try removing the lxc.apparmor keys from the .conf file |
| 05:31 | <raven523> | or just comment them out |
| 05:33 | <crazyfrog> | removing in /etc/lxc/default.conf the 2 lines with apparmor? |
| 05:34 | <raven523> | yes, or comment them out |
| 05:35 | <crazyfrog> | i remove it in /etc .. and in ~/.etc but it still not starting |
| 05:36 | <raven523> | same error or different? |
| 05:36 | <crazyfrog> | same |
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| 05:37 | <raven523> | what do you get from cat /sys/module/apparmor/parameters/enabled ? |
| 05:37 | <crazyfrog> | Y |
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| 05:38 | <crazyfrog> | just: Y |
| 05:38 | <raven523> | is the apparmor package installed? |
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| 05:40 | <themill> | EmleyMoor: yes, sure is |
| 05:40 | <crazyfrog> | yes apparmor/stable,stable,now 2.13.2-10 amd64 [installed] |
| 05:42 | <raven523> | does it work if you use sudo? apparmor_parser is in /sbin so by default it's not in regular users' $PATH |
| 05:42 | <crazyfrog> | i get: lxc-start: vm10: tools/lxc_start.c: main: 290 No container config specified |
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| 05:43 | <crazyfrog> | i don't know which config file it's means |
| 05:44 | <raven523> | did you provide an argument for -n? |
| 05:45 | <crazyfrog> | yes the name of the container |
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| 05:45 | <crazyfrog> | $ sudo lxc-start -n vm10 -d -F |
| 05:46 | <raven523> | I haven't seen this error before |
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| 05:47 | <crazyfrog> | it's a new installation should i install the system new? |
| 05:47 | <raven523> | did you create the container with lxc-create? |
| 05:47 | <crazyfrog> | yes |
| 05:49 | <raven523> | maybe you need to use -f with the path to the container's config file |
| 05:49 | <crazyfrog> | rave523 thank you very much, should i make a new system installation, i'll be back in 30min |
| 05:50 | <crazyfrog> | ? |
| 05:50 | <raven523> | why do you think you need to do that? |
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| 05:50 | <crazyfrog> | raven523> I haven't seen this error before |
| 05:50 | <raven523> | no, do not reinstall |
| 05:51 | <raven523> | reinstalling only makes sense if a system has been severely damaged or compromised |
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| 05:56 | <xoddf2> | raven523: I ended up doing that on my laptop because apt got stuck after I answered yes to upgrading glibc. |
| 05:57 | <raven523> | oof, glibc is a pretty critcal package |
| 05:57 | <xoddf2> | The reinstall succeeded, and I am now installing packages there. |
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| 06:19 | <boodie> | Hi everybody, has anyone succeded in upgrading from buster? |
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| 06:21 | <jelly> | boodie, yes, a couple months ago |
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| 06:22 | <raven523> | I did earlier today, but I didn't test that everything worked yet |
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| 06:22 | <jochum> | crazyfrog: welcome back |
| 06:22 | <boodie> | Jelly: did you install 'testing'? |
| 06:23 | <boodie> | raven523, how long did it take? |
| 06:23 | <crazyfrog> | hello jochum |
| 06:23 | <raven523> | about an hour |
| 06:23 | <raven523> | but I was also watching videos while that was happening |
| 06:23 | <marhas> | I've been runnign bullseye for a couple of weeks now. I do not have to do anything now that it's stable? In terms of manual interventions |
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| 06:25 | <jochum> | marhas: you should switch sources from testing to bullseye |
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| 06:29 | <marhas> | jochum: https://paste.debian.net/1207721/ |
| 06:29 | <marhas> | It looks like this |
| 06:29 | <marhas> | Looks correct to me, right? |
| 06:29 | <jochum> | same for me |
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| 07:02 | <claude> | I am trying to find an example of how to use dh_dkms. If someone knows of a package that uses this I could try to follow that. |
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| 07:04 | <EmleyMoor> | dovecot appears to be trying to start too soon on a box I've just upgraded. How do I ensure all the network interface configuration is applied before it tries? |
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| 07:06 | <boodie> | To those who have upgraded; have you followed every single step of https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/mips64el/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html and did you experience any issues? |
| 07:07 | <boodie> | Apologies but I'm always anxious when it comes to upgrading a distro |
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| 07:12 | <tarzeau> | claude: what are you trying to package? |
| 07:14 | <marhas> | boodie: Buster is supported for atleast a year so no rush :D |
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| 07:18 | <marhas> | When is the next version of firefox-esr coming? |
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| 07:19 | <tarzeau> | marhas: being in experimental, matter of days or weeks |
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| 07:19 | <marhas> | Awesome |
| 07:25 | <mechanic> | marhas will still take awhile, as debian most often only replaces firefox-esr when the old esr is not supported anymore |
| 07:28 | <alex11> | boodie, not every single step, no, but i know what to look for and how the upgrade process generally works; and i upgraded without real issue |
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| 07:31 | <marhas> | mechanic: I see. That makes sense |
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| 07:33 | <alex11> | basically there's a core set of instructions (back up files, change sources.list, apt update, apt upgrade, reboot, apt full-upgrade) and from there you can skim the release notes, mostly involving chapters 4 and 5 |
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| 07:34 | <alex11> | many things in chapter 5 ("things to watch out for") won't apply to you but it's good to skim |
| 07:34 | <vv221> | And it’s actually really quick to skim through ;) The table of contents seems massive because it is very detailed, but this is actually a quick read. |
| 07:35 | <alex11> | (oh and reboot after apt full-upgrade also) |
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| 07:40 | <alex11> | it was kind of funny when it was half-finished after the initial apt upgrade and i booted into my desktop and had tons of 'FAILED unit' and lightdm wouldn't start etc etc |
| 07:40 | <alex11> | and then full-upgrade finishes it off and things work properly again |
| 07:40 | <alex11> | you may as well also do an apt autoremove at the end of the process too |
| 07:42 | <RedEagle> | i just smoothly upgraded to bullseye . one package tranmission-remote-cli (ncurses client) is not in bullsye..so which cli client is available in repo for transmission-daemon..? |
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| 07:43 | <boodie> | another question that bogs me quite a lot: I would like to have (probably purchase) a cloud backup for my linux box, what is the best approach, you reckon? |
| 07:43 | <vv221> | RedEagle, I switched to something from outside the repos: https://github.com/tremc/tremc.git |
| 07:43 | <vv221> | It’s mostly a Python 3 port of the previous ncurses client. |
| 07:43 | <RedEagle> | oh.. yeah. |
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| 07:43 | <vv221> | It might be worth a RFP ;) |
| 07:44 | <RedEagle> | yeahhh 😀 |
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| 07:44 | <RedEagle> | i think bullsye removed many obsolete packages from buster.. |
| 07:44 | <vv221> | (now I need to remember how to initiate a RFP…) |
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| 07:45 | <vv221> | The Python 2 deprecation probably helped removing more obsolete packages than usual. |
| 07:45 | <RedEagle> | yeah. really its not very good that tons of pyton2 code has gone to dustbin.. |
| 07:46 | <raven523> | if the developers didn't bother to port it to python 3 then they probably weren't maintaining it anymore |
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| 07:46 | <vv221> | It’s a bit tricky, keeping these packages would have delayed Python 2 drop itself, keeping in mind that it is no longer maintained by upstream (not even on the security front). |
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| 07:47 | <vv221> | raven523, maybe in most cases, but not all ;) I’ve seen several maintained projects that could not do the Python 3 port in time. |
| 07:47 | <RedEagle> | right |
| 07:47 | <vv221> | Often these are big projects maintained by small teams. |
| 07:47 | <raven523> | they have had 10 years |
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| 07:48 | <vv221> | That does not really help. In ten years they might have had other more important tasks. |
| 07:48 | <raven523> | keeping the software working on modern systems isn't important? |
| 07:48 | <vv221> | I see you never worked in maintaining software… |
| 07:49 | <vv221> | This is far from being that easy. |
| 07:49 | <vv221> | Especially for understaffed open-source projects. |
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| 07:57 | <boodie> | Hi, pidgin keeps popping up, how do I remove it from automatically loading at start? Many thanks |
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| 08:01 | <alex11> | i had the same issue with pidgin |
| 08:02 | <alex11> | don't know what causes it (had it in buster, i mean; subsequently uninstalled) |
| 08:03 | <boodie> | of course uninstallin is an option |
| 08:03 | <raven523> | maybe it's xdg-autostart |
| 08:05 | <boodie> | uninstalled; it was annoying |
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| 08:06 | <raven523> | was there anything in ~/.config/autostart? |
| 08:06 | <alex11> | i give up on pidgin for now in general, it's not developed enough to be useful and is lacking in xmpp features |
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| 08:12 | <Nei> | try gajim |
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| 08:18 | <alex11> | i do use gajim |
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| 08:23 | <alex11> | this is not to say there aren't other protocols other than xmpp and so therefore pidgin is useless, just that i don't feel it's currently in a very good spot and i don't use those other protocols anyway |
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| 08:23 | <vv221> | It looks like fasttrack.debian.net is not reachable right now, I get a systematic time-out. |
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| 08:27 | <_0bitcount> | Hi. I've found that, in the Live DVDs (Xfce, Lxqt) of Bullseye there are only Spanish and Italian versions of the Debian Reference, but not English ones. Is that by design? |
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| 08:55 | <another> | hey, when will bookworm dev begin? |
| 08:56 | <bittin> | later today or during next week |
| 08:57 | <another> | meaning packages from experimental can start migrating to testing? |
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| 09:04 | <tarzeau> | another: they required an upload to unstable |
| 09:04 | <tarzeau> | another: experimental never migrates |
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| 09:06 | <another> | Ah, I see. I guess uploads can be made soon? |
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| 09:07 | <Guest4423> | i just upgraded debian to bullseye and it installed libffi7 which firefox-esr is dependent on, but i can't remove libffi6 without apt also wanting to remove firefox-esr? |
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| 09:08 | <grove> | !bat |
| 09:08 | <dpkg> | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 09:09 | <vv221> | firefox-esr/bullseye should install nicely without libffi6. libffi6 is actually not part of Bullseye. |
| 09:09 | <Guest4423> | yeah that's my understandig |
| 09:10 | <vv221> | If you share the output of `apt install -s firefox-esr/bullseye libffi6-` we might see what is causing the issue. |
| 09:10 | <teisbd> | Hello all. Did 'apt dist-upgrade' from 10 to 11, been stuck on 'Setting up shared-mime-info' forever, like 30 mins. Is that normal? Cannot change vt or anything... |
| 09:11 | <vv221> | teisbd, 30 minutes is unexpected, even on a very old computer. |
| 09:11 | <teisbd> | Safe to ctrl-c? |
| 09:12 | <TobiX> | Guest4423: If you have aptitude, try "aptitude why libffi6" |
| 09:12 | <Guest4423> | oh i know why now hah |
| 09:12 | <vv221> | teisbd, not 100% safe, but probably better than staying stuck. |
| 09:12 | <Guest4423> | firefox-esr in buster is newer than firefox-esr in bullseye |
| 09:12 | <tepozoa> | I just upgraded a basic cloud server and libff6 doesn't get into the autoremove |
| 09:13 | <Guest4423> | so firefox-esr doesn't get upgraded with bullseye upgrade |
| 09:13 | <vv221> | Oh, that’s a tricky one! |
| 09:13 | <teisbd> | vv221: thanks |
| 09:13 | <Guest4423> | so i'm still running firefox-esr from buster which is dependent on libffi6 |
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| 09:14 | <TobiX> | Guest4423: There should be a newer version in bullseye-security?!? |
| 09:15 | <TobiX> | ,v firefox-esr |
| 09:15 | <judd> | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 78.11.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-proposed-updates: 78.12.0esr-1~deb10u1; bookworm: 78.12.0esr-1; bullseye: 78.12.0esr-1; buster-security: 78.13.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye-proposed-updates: |
| 09:15 | <judd> | 78.13.0esr-1~deb11u1; bullseye-security: 78.13.0esr-1~deb11u1; sid: 78.13.0esr-1; experimental: 91.0esr-1 |
| 09:15 | <vv221> | The bullseye-security version is not visible yet on https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/firefox-esr |
| 09:15 | <vv221> | So maybe it is still on its way. |
| 09:16 | <TobiX> | Guest4423: Did you fix the security repo in sources.list? https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#security-archive |
| 09:16 | <Guest4423> | i saw a message about there isn't a release file for bullseye security |
| 09:16 | <tepozoa> | same here |
| 09:16 | <Guest4423> | so yeah i need to update my sources.list i think |
| 09:16 | <tepozoa> | I'm on Linode, possible their mirror isn't up to date yet |
| 09:17 | <TobiX> | vv221: But the package IS in the security-repository |
| 09:17 | <TobiX> | Maybe their mirror fell over the repository rename? |
| 09:17 | <tepozoa> | http://mirrors.linode.com/debian-security/dists/ |
| 09:18 | <tepozoa> | E: The repository 'http://mirrors.linode.com/debian-security bullseye/updates Release' does not have a Release file. |
| 09:18 | <vv221> | OK, maybe the packages.debian.org pages have a bit of a delay when picking up security updates. |
| 09:18 | <vv221> | tepozoa, see the link TobiX shared a couple messages ago ;) |
| 09:18 | <tepozoa> | I'm still curious about why I have libffi6 still installed |
| 09:18 | <tepozoa> | this is a bare bones cloud server, and if I apt-get remove it, it'll come out just fine |
| 09:18 | <TobiX> | Again, CHECK YOUR SECURITY LINES IN SOURCES.LIST |
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| 09:19 | <TobiX> | It's NOT bullseye/updates anymore |
| 09:19 | <Guest4423> | the repo name has chnged haha |
| 09:19 | <tepozoa> | roger that boss |
| 09:19 | <Guest4423> | https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList?action=diff&rev2=33&rev1=32 |
| 09:20 | <TobiX> | See my link to the release notes, it's right there :D |
| 09:20 | <Guest4423> | thanks |
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| 09:20 | <Guest4423> | i just %s// my sources.list lol |
| 09:20 | <TobiX> | The Linode mirror is actually correct and up-to-date |
| 09:21 | <Guest4423> | this new naming is nicer anyways, i always get foo/updates and foo-updates confussed |
| 09:21 | <TobiX> | They use the offical mirror script, as can be seen in http://mirrors.linode.com/debian-security/project/trace/ |
| 09:22 | <tepozoa> | so back to libffi6 - what technique can I use to understand why it's not being triggered as an autoremove package? |
| 09:22 | <tepozoa> | the policy and madison seem to be OK |
| 09:22 | <TobiX> | Yeah, it's absolutly more consistent, but I think it will trip up many people in the coming days :/ |
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| 09:23 | <TobiX> | tepozoa: Maybe it was marked as manually installed sometimes? |
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| 09:24 | <TobiX> | tepozoa: Does "apt-mark showmanual | grep ffi" list the package? |
| 09:24 | <tepozoa> | yeah, it is - along with like 200 other packages. It must be the way Linode builds their images |
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| 09:24 | <EmleyMoor> | Just upgraded my comms box, and the phone has a dialtone... nothing serious amiss with it now, just a few "outside Debian" packages to restore and some starting up to check out. |
| 09:24 | <alex11> | yeah, foo\updates is honestly just confusing; foo-security is better |
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| 09:26 | <TobiX> | tepozoa: I normally use aptitude to mass-mark sections as "automatically installed" if I come across systems which such problems. For example, you can "sudo aptitude markauto ~i~slibs" to mark all libraries as automatically installed |
| 09:26 | <xormor> | this shows that security.debian.org/... bullseye-security has an InRelease file: http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security InRelease [44,1 kB] |
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| 09:26 | <xormor> | deb.debian.org bullseye/security did not show InRelease |
| 09:27 | <TobiX> | xormor: That is correct, deb.debian.org doesn't have the security suite in the root |
| 09:27 | <tepozoa> | yeah so I ended up with a handful of packages like this (installed from buster, not in bullseye) on this Linode image: https://pb.envs.net/?46101873680a78cc#GSrDbfWo95ML8RW7G5nrof8y8rpoDSWfz4YpHQjxoS5R |
| 09:27 | <vv221> | TobiX, since we still have people getting issues with the `su -l` change with Buster, I think your "in the coming days" is a bit optimistic ;) |
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| 09:28 | <TobiX> | vv221: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 09:29 | <TobiX> | I don't know who can change dpkg's factoids, but I think we need a factoid for the bullseye-security change :D |
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| 09:30 | <grove> | I don't remember the syntax, but I think almost everybody can make dpkg remember something |
| 09:30 | <TobiX> | The factoid "security" has the correct stanza |
| 09:31 | <grove> | !security |
| 09:31 | <dpkg> | Put "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in <stable>. Run "apt update" and "apt upgrade" (or "apt full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>, <browser security>. |
| 09:31 | <TobiX> | !bullseye/updates |
| 09:31 | <dpkg> | There is no "bullseye/updates" repository for security updates. To reduce confusion with <bullseye-updates> (which is for other bug fixes), security updates are distributed via the <bullseye-security> repository "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main". Note that you may also need to adjust your Default-Release and pinning settings for apt. |
| 09:31 | <TobiX> | ;) |
| 09:31 | <TobiX> | Somebody already wrote it |
| 09:32 | <alex11> | yeah this isn't going to get confusing at all :D |
| 09:32 | <alex11> | people not installing security updates for 6 months |
| 09:33 | <TobiX> | alex11: :'( |
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| 09:35 | <TobiX> | It's the classic "I'll just do 'sed -i s/buster/bullseye/ sources.list' and be done with it" update-style which will get people in this situation :/ |
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| 09:35 | <alex11> | release notes exist for a reason |
| 09:37 | <vv221> | I would say that people skipping the release notes kind of deserve the security holes… But maybe I’m a bit cynic. |
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| 09:39 | <tarzeau> | TobiX: i'm that sort of guy, sed :) |
| 09:39 | <tarzeau> | but i'm aware that security url changed |
| 09:40 | <alex11> | it wouldn't have helped me anyway because i had to remove buster-backports |
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| 09:41 | <alex11> | though tbf i suppose you could use sed for that too |
| 09:41 | <alex11> | i have bullseye-backports in my sources |
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| 09:49 | <FLD> | i thought security updates come via security.debian.org rather than deb.debian.org |
| 09:49 | <themill> | security.d.o just points to deb.d.o |
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| 09:51 | <TobiX> | themill: Oh, really? I see that both are hosted by fastly, but have different content?!? |
| 09:53 | <themill> | different URLs give different data |
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| 10:05 | <jkc> | Cache expiry, probably. |
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| 10:18 | <tarzeau> | i thought it'd be a good idea to do the ugprade, and i keep getting several "Failed to reload daemon: No buffer space available" |
| 10:19 | <yang> | Is prefered method to upgrade to bullseye from buster, to sync all latest packages for buster first, and then initiate and sync the upgrade to bullseye |
| 10:19 | <yang> | ? |
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| 10:19 | <tarzeau> | i'm doing the minimal then full as written at https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/mips64el/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#minimal-upgrade |
| 10:19 | <themill> | yes, always best to have a fully upgraded buster first |
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| 10:23 | <yang> | usually I wait for a week or two, that the "errors" get fixed and then usually the upgrade is smoother |
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| 10:24 | <tarzeau> | i keep getting that line of error msg seems in an endless loop, no reaction to ctrl-c so far |
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| 10:25 | <tarzeau> | ok ctrl-z worked, retrying it tells me can't find ldconfig. great |
| 10:25 | <themill> | yang: nothing is likely to change in the next week or two |
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| 10:27 | <tarzeau> | ok apt failed badly. apt-get to the rescue. stupid me, telling in here last stable release i was still using apt-get, been told, that's wrong apt is the way. should have sticked to what has worked 20 years |
| 10:30 | <themill> | umm... there's no difference? |
| 10:30 | <tarzeau> | well apt said it can't find ldconfig and aborted, like 2-5 lines of yellow and red text |
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| 10:31 | <Nei> | was that on apt upgrade or apt full-upgrade? |
| 10:31 | <tarzeau> | that is quite a difference.. that was apt upgrade --without-new-pkgs |
| 10:31 | <themill> | I don't think the colours are the issue |
| 10:32 | <tarzeau> | the original error message encountered somehintg with /etc/rc* looking it up on google, lead to systemd |
| 10:32 | <crawler> | tarzeau is the upgrade session recorded? |
| 10:32 | <tarzeau> | crawler: nope |
| 10:32 | <crawler> | can you paste the error messages? |
| 10:33 | <tarzeau> | maybe it should be autorecorded, auto scripted by zeroconfig... |
| 10:33 | <tarzeau> | it's in a screen, can't scroll back |
| 10:33 | <crawler> | no it is not auto recorded |
| 10:33 | <themill> | why would it be autorecorded when the release notes quite cleverly tell you to use script... |
| 10:33 | <crawler> | you can scroll back in screen using CTRL+A then press ESC, using pageup and pagedown keys |
| 10:34 | <Nei> | --but only a certain amount of history |
| 10:34 | <Guest4423> | isn't that what /var/log/apt/term.log is for? |
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| 10:34 | <TobiX> | Well, there is /var/log/apt/term.log, but I don't know how complete it is |
| 10:35 | <tarzeau> | it started with 10fd9f051accb6fd1f753f2d48371890 /etc/rc.local.dpkg-old |
| 10:35 | <tarzeau> | TobiX: thanks, that exists, and it has everything |
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| 10:38 | <fangfufu> | I am on Debian Bullseye. I am on KDE. Is there a way to change mouse scroll speed? |
| 10:38 | <crawler> | bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb |
| 10:38 | <crawler> | . |
| 10:38 | <crawler> | 1 |
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| 10:39 | <crawler> | apologies |
| 10:39 | <fangfufu> | I read this: https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/id6nzg/any_way_to_increase_mouse_scroll_speed/, but is there a proper workaround, other than install imwheel? |
| 10:39 | <ens> | i'm trying to install debian 11 on my HP zbook 15 G3, i boot into the bullseye dvd iso that i put onto usb... the installer gets to 'Detect network hardware' and lists a bunch of necessary firmware files it wants to load. When i select 'Load missing firmware from removeable media?'==Yes and then hit continue it just brings me back to the same menu |
| 10:40 | <ens> | i have the feeling that perhaps those files might not be on the iso image. |
| 10:40 | <ens> | but i am not sure how to check or confirm. |
| 10:40 | <crawler> | does your network hardware require non-free firmware files? |
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| 10:41 | <ens> | yeah that's what it says |
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| 10:42 | <crawler> | non-free firmware files are not included in the standard iso images, you have to download an iso image that includes them from here https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.0.0+nonfree/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
| 10:43 | <crawler> | however if you know the exact required files, place them in a USB stick, then mount it, then proceed with installation |
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| 10:43 | <ens> | thanks crawler |
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| 10:43 | <crawler> | np |
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| 10:58 | <EmleyMoor> | Third box upgrading - 1736 packages to deal with on that one |
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| 11:02 | <amacater> | ens: If you have wired Ethernet available to you, you may find that it "just works" if the machine has an Ethernet adapter. |
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| 11:02 | <amacater> | Quite a lot of chipsets complain about wanting Realtek firmware but work nonetheless |
| 11:04 | <ens> | in fact it does have an ethernet adapter. however i am in a strange place that doesn't have the necessary cable to be found anywhere. |
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| 11:14 | <Guest4423> | font rendering in X appears to have changed between buster and bullseye, is this to do with pango or some other package? |
| 11:14 | <Guest4423> | font rendering in X appears to have changed between buster and bullseye, is this to do with pango or some other package? |
| 11:14 | <Guest4423> | oops |
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| 11:38 | <nulleip> | hey, anyone knows when virtualbox will get a proper package to bullseye? |
| 11:38 | <nulleip> | for* |
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| 11:41 | <bentham> | Happy Day After Release Day, everyone |
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| 11:42 | <bentham> | I want to delete all of my 'buster' lines from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:42 | <bittin_> | bentham: thx |
| 11:42 | <bentham> | ...but I am not sure whether I still have buster packages that don't have bullseye equivalents. |
| 11:42 | <bentham> | What is the best way to hunt those down and uninstall them? |
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| 11:44 | <sussudio> | sources.list isn't exactly rocket science |
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| 11:45 | <bentham> | sussudio: To be clear, I don't mean figuring out how to remove the buster lines from /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 11:45 | <bentham> | I mean: What if I still have orphaned buster packages? |
| 11:46 | <garbled> | Hi, I just did an upgrade of an LXC on proxmox 6.4 to bullseye, and the kernel on my proxmox host is complaining with an apparmor issue |
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| 11:46 | <garbled> | audit: type=1400 audit(1629041845.799:279): apparmor="DENIED" operation="mount" info="failed flags match" error=-13 profile="lxc-119_</var/lib/lxc>" name="/run/systemd/unit-root/proc/" pid=194419 comm="(d-logind)" fstype="proc" srcname="proc" flags="rw, nosuid, nodev, noexec" |
| 11:46 | <bentham> | I don't want those taking up space (and rotting, introducing security vulnerabilities) |
| 11:47 | <bentham> | I want to make sure that I don't have any. I've been thinking dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' | tail +6 | xargs -n1 apt-cache policy |
| 11:47 | <crawler> | bentham upgrading instructions has something similar to what you need, also using apt dry-run is good start too |
| 11:47 | <crawler> | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#system-status |
| 11:47 | <sussudio> | if you replace buster with bullseye in sources.list and run apt update, any packages that are obsolete will be offered to be deleted. |
| 11:48 | <themill> | many obsolete packages won't go away on their own, but aptitude can show them all to you at once |
| 11:49 | <bentham> | themill: ah, I think that is the answer I'm looking for |
| 11:49 | <bentham> | crawler, sussudio: thanks |
| 11:49 | <antoyo[m]> | Hi. I'm having trouble installing Debian m68k in qemu. When it's time to select the mirror, I get an error and the logs show an error about GPG signature stuff. Am I supposed to manually import some GPG key? |
| 11:50 | <bentham> | themill: I really want to be safe knowing that nothing is depending upon buster to tell me when they are obsolete |
| 11:50 | <bentham> | before deleting my buster lines |
| 11:51 | <bentham> | themill: I think you mean the 'Obsolete and Locally Created Packages' category, right? |
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| 11:51 | <themill> | yes. They will only be obsolete once you've removed the buster entries and done an apt update |
| 11:52 | <themill> | !obsolete |
| 11:52 | <dpkg> | If you remove a repository from your sources.list (e.g. removing <dmm>), then you should check what packages you have installed from the other repository. Synaptic and aptitude have a "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" list. Or, "aptitude search '~o'". Note this doesn't include packages that exist in the repo at a different version to the one you have installed; see <not available> <list repositories>. |
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| 11:54 | <bentham> | Does security.debian.org not yet have bullseye? |
| 11:54 | <bentham> | I assumed I'd need to add that as well |
| 11:55 | <themill> | !bullseye-security |
| 11:55 | <dpkg> | On Debian 11 "bullseye" systems, there are two repositories that you should have in your sources.list aside from your main mirror. You should have an entry for "bullseye-security" which is <security> updates (and also "bullseye-updates" which is for <stable-updates>. See also <sources.list>. Note that you may also need to adjust your Default-Release and pinning settings for apt. |
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| 11:57 | <bentham> | themill: thanks! bullseye-security works for me; |
| 11:57 | <bentham> | I get an error with bullseye-updates, however |
| 11:57 | <bentham> | apparently does not have a Release file? |
| 11:58 | <bentham> | oh, never mind |
| 11:59 | <bentham> | I actually already have bullseye-updates, just from ftp.debian.org |
| 11:59 | <bentham> | thanks for your help; that was exactly what I needed :) |
| 11:59 | <garbled> | is there a way with apparmor to figure out which config file/line is causing the deny? |
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| 12:03 | <joeDoe> | after upgrade to bullseye, libreoffice won't start. i3wm, when I start with dmenu, nothing happens. When I start from a command line, there is no output. The cursor just goes to the next line after typing libreoffice and enter, but no further output. ps xu shows oosplash and soffice.bin have been started, but nothing is happening on screen |
| 12:03 | <joeDoe> | any ideas |
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| 12:11 | <garbled> | is any attempt to preserve the php confs from 7.3 when upgrading, or is that all something the user needs to do by hand? |
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| 12:13 | <deadspark> | hi. |
| 12:13 | <deadspark> | what |
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| 12:17 | <joeDoe> | there doesn't appear to be anything about libreoffice not starting in the release notes for bullseye |
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| 12:25 | <tepozoa> | bentham: aptitude search "?installed?not(?narrow(?installed,?origin(^Debian$)?archive(^stable$)))" |
| 12:26 | <tepozoa> | be careful and ignore the perl* packages, leave those alone |
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| 12:28 | <bremner> | joeDoe: fwiw, i3 and bullseye here also, no problem starting libreoffice |
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| 12:40 | <ens> | managed to get bullseye on my lappy. during the install it detected windows (as vista rather than 10) installed as using some legacy bios compat mode. i confirmed to use that mode aswell for the install and then proceeded to do a grub install to the disk. after reboot i don't have the option to boot to the windows install. |
| 12:40 | <ens> | was wondering if there is any good procedure to get that back into grub |
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| 12:41 | <ens> | i'm sure it's just a misunderstanding. |
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| 12:43 | <LouWestin> | I'm getting a repository error. The repository 'http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye/updates Release' does not have a Release file. |
| 12:44 | <LouWestin> | failed to download some files |
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| 12:44 | <tarzeau> | LouWestin: https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/mips64el/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#bullseye-security |
| 12:44 | <bentham> | tepozoa: thanks for that |
| 12:45 | <LouWestin> | tarzeau: Thanks! |
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| 12:46 | <tepozoa> | bentham: yw! be careful with the proposed list, I'm looking at one server that has apache2 in the output going "but that's installed from the repo" and scratching my head |
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| 12:47 | <bentham> | Yea, I really do wish that Debian made it easier to manage packages based on their provenance |
| 12:48 | <boodie> | Hi, I'm about to upgrade, changed the sources.list file but when I did 'apt update', I got the error 'E: The repository 'http://deb.debian.org/debian-security bullseye/updates Release' does not have a Release file" ... can I continue regardless? |
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| 12:48 | <tepozoa> | (I'm open to any ideas btw - apt-mark shows it retained it's manual install mark, madison and show indicate "yes, this is the bullseye version from stable" .... ) |
| 12:48 | <user__> | !bullseye-security |
| 12:48 | <dpkg> | On Debian 11 "bullseye" systems, there are two repositories that you should have in your sources.list aside from your main mirror. You should have an entry for "bullseye-security" which is <security> updates (and also "bullseye-updates" which is for <stable-updates>. See also <sources.list>. Note that you may also need to adjust your Default-Release and pinning settings for apt. |
| 12:48 | <boodie> | I read that the repository debian-security for bullseye might not be available for a bit |
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| 12:49 | <garbled> | I got the same error, but the upgrade seemed to work fine |
| 12:49 | <vv221> | ens, double-check thas os-prober is installed — https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/os-prober |
| 12:49 | <garbled> | I'm guessing no security patches exist yet? |
| 12:49 | <boodie> | so, what is the correct 'sources.list' file? |
| 12:49 | <vv221> | garbled, you’re guessing wrong, at least Firefox is already patched ;) |
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| 12:49 | <johnny0> | boodie: http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security |
| 12:50 | <LouWestin> | tarzeau: changing the two lines deb https://deb.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main contrib |
| 12:50 | <LouWestin> | fixed the issue |
| 12:50 | <johnny0> | boodie: not bullseye/updates |
| 12:50 | <LouWestin> | thanks again! |
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| 12:50 | <tarzeau> | am i the only one to get a ton of "Failed to reload daemon: Connection timed out" during upgrade? |
| 12:52 | <boodie> | https://paste.debian.net/1207753/ |
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| 12:52 | <Gerowen> | tarzeau: Mine went without a hitch except it uninstalled mariadb-server and upgraded php, so I had to put that back and add some customizations back to the new version of php. |
| 12:52 | <garbled> | oh... I have a line that points to just debian with bullseye-security and that one doesn't have the Release file |
| 12:53 | <garbled> | yeah.. I'm worried about my php hacks.. going to have to preserve those off on my actual servers |
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| 12:53 | <garbled> | Err:7 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bullseye-security Release |
| 12:54 | <bentham> | garbled: try security.debian.org rather than ftp.debian.org |
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| 12:54 | <boodie> | Can you check if my 'sources.list' is correct? |
| 12:54 | <boodie> | https://paste.debian.net/1207753/ |
| 12:54 | <johnny0> | boodie: look at my message above |
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| 12:55 | <garbled> | right.. I have both... ISTR that that used to work with buster previously though |
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| 12:56 | <tarzeau> | Gerowen: mine is still running (due to the many slowing down msgs), but then i've about 2000 packages installed |
| 12:56 | <Gerowen> | garbled: Mine was pretty straight forward, but my Nextcloud cron jobs were refusing to execute, even if I tried to manually run it. I had forgotten that there's separate .ini files, one for apache2, one for cli, so I just had to add my apc.enable_cli=1 to the /etc/php/7.4/cli/php.ini . Plus had to bump up the memory limit in the one for apache2 because it reverted to default. |
| 12:56 | <bentham> | garbled: I think that the conventions have changed a bit. I believe that now, we get 'bullseye' and 'bullseye-updates' from ftp.debian.org, and we get 'bullseye-security' from security.debian.org |
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| 12:56 | <garbled> | oh, is there a bullseye-updates one too now? |
| 12:56 | <craigevil> | yes |
| 12:56 | <craigevil> | https://paste.debian.net/1207754/ |
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| 12:57 | <ens> | vv221: os-prober was installed when i checked. When run it outputs: /dev/sda1:Windows 10:Windows:chain |
| 12:57 | <garbled> | Gerowen: yeah, that was kinda my thinking.. I have a bunch of php stuff running, like nextcloud, going to have to find my hacks to the ini files again and fix them up |
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| 12:59 | <garbled> | craig: aha, thx, didn't know about that one.. updated my code to account for that.. works now. |
| 12:59 | <bentham> | garbled: 'bullseye/updates' with a slash |
| 12:59 | <bentham> | Maybe this is redundant; I'm not sure!) |
| 12:59 | <garbled> | is it? mine worked with bullseye-updates |
| 12:59 | <garbled> | Get:6 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bullseye-updates InRelease [36.8 kB] |
| 13:00 | <bentham> | garbled: oh, I'm sorry, yes, it is a hyphen and not a slash. you're right |
| 13:00 | <bentham> | With buster, there was 'buster/updates' from security.debian.org |
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| 13:00 | <bentham> | but that was then; this is now! |
| 13:00 | <garbled> | best part is my apt-cache just kept working through all this, and I was able to update through my cache. yay. |
| 13:01 | <garbled> | which is huge for me, because then I don't have to download the same patch 30 times. :) |
| 13:01 | <bentham> | agreed, that sounds painful |
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| 13:03 | <garbled> | still can't figure out my apparmor problem tho.. can't seem to figure out what rule is causing it |
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| 13:05 | <ens> | vv221: thanks for the help. I ran update-grub and that seems to have done the trick. |
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| 13:09 | <joeDoe> | bremner: ack |
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| 13:11 | <vv221> | ens, glad you got it working in the end ;) |
| 13:11 | <boodie> | E: Malformed entry 2 in list file /etc/apt/sources.list (Component) |
| 13:11 | <boodie> | https://paste.debian.net/1207756/ |
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| 13:13 | <ens> | boodie: you might be missing some stuff at the end like 'main contrib non-free' |
| 13:13 | <ens> | on end of line 2 |
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| 13:15 | <Gerowen> | The release notes said that "buster/updates" should be replaced with "bullseye-security" in sources.list |
| 13:15 | <Gerowen> | I know it's been a few minutes, just saw those messages and figured I'd toss that out there. It's what I did and all my machines worked fine with it. |
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| 13:17 | <boodie> | https://paste.debian.net/1207758/ ... still got the error message "E: The repository 'http://security.debian.org/debian-security main Release' does not have a Release file. |
| 13:17 | <boodie> | " |
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| 13:19 | <sney> | isn't bullseye-security just on deb.debian.org now? |
| 13:20 | <sney> | hm, there is a Release file though. http://security.debian.org/dists/bullseye-security/ |
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| 13:21 | <sney> | boodie: aha, you removed 'bullseye-security', it still needs to be there in between the url and main .. |
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| 13:22 | <ens> | just found out how to install gnome-tweak-tool to switch my theme to adwaita-dark and i'm like "hooray i can see again." |
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| 13:23 | <jhutchins> | 1sources.list |
| 13:24 | <jhutchins> | !sources.list |
| 13:24 | <dpkg> | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Bullseye" has three lines: "deb https://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main" "deb https://deb.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main" "deb https://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-updates main". Note that it is <bullseye-security> and not <bullseye/updates>. See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <bullseye-updates> and |
| 13:24 | <boodie> | sney: so, finally what should that line be? |
| 13:24 | <jhutchins> | boodie: Like that. |
| 13:24 | <sney> | boodie: the second one, in dpkg's message here ^ |
| 13:24 | <craigevil> | https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#security-archive |
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| 13:26 | <boodie> | Thank you, it works now! |
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| 13:27 | <boodie> | do you recommend 'apt upgrade --without-new-pkgs' ? |
| 13:27 | <boodie> | to start with? |
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| 13:30 | <tarzeau> | i did that... i'd like to see how it works for others |
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| 13:30 | <tarzeau> | ^ boodie |
| 13:30 | <boodie> | OK, I'll try |
| 13:31 | <allan_wind> | Hi... got a weird tmux issue after upgrading to bullseye. I start 3 instances of tmux via i3 on login and they don't seem to read my tmux.conf files. I have close all instances of tmux (`tmux ls` is empty) before tmux will then read my config. Any ideas? |
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| 13:36 | <bentham> | sney: So, does this mean that we should remove references to security.debian.org altogether, and just download bullseye-security from ftp.debian.org? |
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| 13:38 | <Gerowen> | Here's my working sources.list for bullseye. You can ignore the parts at the top that say "10.8", that's what version was originally installed on this particular machine. |
| 13:38 | <Gerowen> | https://paste.debian.net/1207762/ |
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| 13:40 | <Unit193> | /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.sources https://paste.debian.net/hidden/b3249243/ isn't it more pretty? :3 |
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| 13:41 | <Gerowen> | Yep, :-p I just did a find and replace on the stock sources.list for mine. |
| 13:41 | <ansgar> | Unit193: No. It misses "/debian-security" :P |
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| 13:41 | <boodie> | So far it told me that there are X-sessions that will be terminated and will have to be retarted manually |
| 13:41 | <Unit193> | ansgar: Good point. The other one had that, but that system seems to have missed. Thanks. |
| 13:42 | <bentham> | Hmm, so I think the summary is that we need bullseye, bullseye-updates, and bullseye-backports from ftp.debian.org, and debian-security and bullseye-security from security.debian.org |
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| 13:43 | <preston> | Hey everyone |
| 13:45 | <allan_wind> | After I upgraded to bullseye my machine hangs on "Readining initial ramdisk...". If I enter setup, quit the bios, it will boot. Any ideas? |
| 13:45 | <bentham> | correction: both / and /debian-security/ directories for bullseye-security on security.debian.org |
| 13:45 | <bentham> | so strange |
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| 13:56 | <ydbi> | you're all doing it wrong, this is the right sources.list https://0x0.st/-yi0.txt |
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| 13:58 | <bentham> | ydbi: so why do we still have security.debian.org at all? |
| 13:58 | <bentham> | for historical reasons? |
| 13:58 | <bentham> | for backward compatibility |
| 13:58 | <bentham> | ? |
| 13:59 | <ydbi> | for no reason really |
| 14:00 | <ydbi> | should be removed for bookworm or bookworm+1 |
| 14:00 | <scorpion2185[m]> | trixie? |
| 14:00 | <ydbi> | is that the name? |
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| 14:01 | <alex11> | yes, debian 13 trixie |
| 14:01 | <scorpion2185[m]> | yes, there is a command that shows all versions |
| 14:01 | <scorpion2185[m]> | when will be released? |
| 14:02 | <tarzeau> | you're welcome: https://imgflip.com/i/5jonhb |
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| 14:02 | <scorpion2185[m]> | I read it on the handbook |
| 14:02 | <boodie> | all done (apt full-upgrade), now I suppose I have to restart ... |
| 14:02 | <scorpion2185[m]> | is there a new handbook now? |
| 14:02 | <alex11> | no not yet |
| 14:02 | <tarzeau> | boodie: i skipped that part, but yes you should |
| 14:03 | <boodie> | ok |
| 14:03 | <alex11> | who knows when the next one will be, debian 9 didn't get one |
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| 14:05 | <scorpion2185[m]> | `debian-distro-info -a` |
| 14:05 | <sussudio> | what do you need a handbook for... got a wobbly table or something? |
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| 14:15 | <scorpion2185[m]> | I was told that I need to read it to learn the basic. I am finding interesting bc I learn new things about my OS. And maybe I can work for Falcot |
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| 14:18 | <somiaj> | bentham: It will still be used for LTS of buster, so it will be around for that at least (which is another 3 years minimum) |
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| 14:20 | <tepozoa> | bentham: that regex above was too strict, it will trigger a false positive if the package is installed from stable-security (for me, that's apache2 and perl) - drop the $ anchor after stable on the right/end |
| 14:20 | <tepozoa> | aptitude search "?installed?not(?narrow(?installed,?origin(^Debian$)?archive(^stable)))" |
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| 14:37 | <sarvad> | who * |
| 14:37 | <sarvad> | !wwbr |
| 14:37 | <dpkg> | Debian "Bookworm" is the current testing branch as of 2021-08-14 and it will be released "when it's ready". |
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| 14:42 | <mason> | https://pixar.fandom.com/wiki/Bookworm |
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| 14:46 | <ens> | still in the process of breaking in my new laptop, i've got bullseye and i have noticed that the laptop cpu fan seems to be always active. is there some software i can use to examine and alter the profiles for this? |
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| 14:47 | <ens> | i noticed there are a few different choices when i searched the web but i'm not sure what the standard utility would be |
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| 14:48 | <tarzeau> | ens: sensors and htop? |
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| 14:49 | <tarzeau> | ens: first is to check temperature sensor output, and htop to see if something went berserk, process wise, and the cpu load, would also work with uptime and free -m |
| 14:49 | <ens> | oh interesting, sensors output shows temp6 == +127 C |
| 14:49 | <ens> | for the ACPI interface |
| 14:49 | <tarzeau> | i've never seen such a high number, and does it feel that hot? |
| 14:49 | <ens> | nope, system is running at zero load pretty much |
| 14:50 | <ens> | i'll stick htop on and have a gander to make sure |
| 14:50 | <garbled> | sigh, my new PDU is DOA. :) |
| 14:51 | <tepozoa> | maybe there's a new sensor in the upgrade, try re-running sensors-detect and see if you get a new module to read the temps? |
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| 15:01 | <tarzeau> | are you guys using popularity-contest and contributing back? |
| 15:01 | <ens> | yep |
| 15:04 | <ens> | ok i rebooted the sys to make sure. the system load is basically zero. i re-ran sensors-detect and it added coretemp to the list of modules. i then ran /etc/init.d/kmod start and checked sensors and it's still got temp6 on ACPI set to +127 C. |
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| 15:05 | <tarzeau> | maybe a bug, i know some cf card readers report 200+ C, just ignore |
| 15:05 | <garbled> | is that maybe a max or alert? |
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| 15:05 | <tarzeau> | ens: which laptop exactly is that? |
| 15:06 | <ens> | HP zbook 15 G3 |
| 15:08 | <tarzeau> | ens: tried hw-probe yet? |
| 15:09 | <garbled> | a few of my servers have temp sensors that show up, that are in reality the defined powerdown limits or alarm points |
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| 15:14 | <tarzeau> | which of earlyoom, nohang, systemd-oomd do people use? popcon says 331/31/29. fedora had earlyoom default, now systemd-oomd. personally i've only used nohang |
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| 15:16 | <garbled> | I think I use earlyoom on one of my PI's, because firefox keeps crashing |
| 15:16 | <tarzeau> | that arm64 bullseye already? or non-64 elder pi? |
| 15:17 | <garbled> | old pi3, still on buster |
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| 15:17 | <garbled> | it runs a monitor that just shows a grafana dashboard 24/7 |
| 15:18 | <garbled> | sometimes firefox eats too much ram, crashes, etc. |
| 15:18 | <tarzeau> | it's called "leaks memory" |
| 15:19 | <tarzeau> | i've also observed that, especially when your computer runs 24/7 and you never close firefox |
| 15:19 | <garbled> | yep |
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| 15:19 | <tarzeau> | but i've seen that with google-chrome and chromium as well. just not with microsoft-edge nor safari |
| 15:19 | <garbled> | so I have earlyoom, and a few other hackjobs that run and kill it down if it breaks so it restarts |
| 15:19 | <ens> | tarzeau, garbled: i added the sensor to ignore in /etc/sensors.d/zbook.conf and rebooted and this seems to be ok now. |
| 15:20 | <tarzeau> | ens: can i see a copy of your /etc/sensors.d/zbook.conf ? (i should also ignore some sensors :) toolazytolookupdocs |
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| 15:21 | <ens> | it's on my other box (not with this irc) but essentially.. it looks like the ignores that appear on this thread. |
| 15:21 | <ens> | https://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?300536-Make-use-of-specific-lm_sensors-configuration |
| 15:21 | <ens> | the "chip" name is taken from the same as the sensors name, in my case it was acpitz-acpi-0 |
| 15:22 | <ens> | so just had the chip name, next line 'ignore temp6' and those two lines did the trick |
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| 15:26 | <garbled> | aww darn.. no 32-bit PPC release. :) |
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| 15:27 | <bremner> | well, no. Old arches tend not to come back once they leave |
| 15:28 | <bremner> | still in debian-ports, iirc |
| 15:28 | <garbled> | no maintainer, or just, never coming back? |
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| 15:28 | <EmleyMoor> | Upgrading my router now |
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| 15:29 | <bremner> | garbled: I imagine it was a combination of factors, including availability of hardware, and interest of porters |
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| 15:29 | <bremner> | garbled: if you're interested in helping, I suggest talking to the debian-ports folds |
| 15:29 | <bremner> | *folks |
| 15:29 | <garbled> | hrmm.. maybe one day if I'm feeling like it, I'll try. |
| 15:30 | <garbled> | I was the portmaster for NetBSD/PReP and /rs6000, so I still have piles of hardware here and a mild curiosity in trying... |
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| 15:31 | <EmleyMoor> | Will have to make sure the upgrade of my main machine is cat-proof, though |
| 15:32 | <garbled> | I'm holding off on upgrading the rest of my stack until I figure out this apparmor/lxc/proxmox issue.. |
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| 15:35 | <ens> | i just found out i have to recompile gnome-terminal and patch it to enable the transparency option. |
| 15:35 | <tarzeau> | huh? |
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| 15:35 | <tarzeau> | or just use a real terminal, like cool-retro-term |
| 15:35 | <ens> | haha, i was using that for a MUD earlier, it was lovely. |
| 15:39 | <ens> | yeah apparently it is something that ubuntu and others have via a patch to enable the transparency option but debian removed it due to performance issues? (sounds dubious). however i've been linked to the patches and stuff so i guess i'll give it a lash. |
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| 15:40 | <tarzeau> | ens: just found this via d/changelog https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=105675 |
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| 15:44 | <grtestuser_> | install-mbr:/dev/sda: Failed to find MBR signature. |
| 15:46 | <EmleyMoor> | Looks like I'm up but needed a manual ppp start. Obviously that's not quite as desired... |
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| 15:50 | <EmleyMoor> | Should /etc/network/interfaces stanzas like this still work: https://paste.debian.net/1207775/ |
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| 16:03 | <crazyfrog> | hey, should i use for the 2nd unprivileged lxc container an other user for security reasons? |
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| 16:10 | <dondelelcaro> | pabs: thanks for fixing that. I should have checked myself |
| 16:10 | <spawacz> | Why am I getting ufw logs from 10.* ? |
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| 16:10 | <spawacz> | It's a private subnet |
| 16:10 | <spawacz> | and i dont have such subnet here |
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| 16:11 | <sney> | ISPs tend to use the formerly Class A range for internal stuff and semi-public ranges like cellular |
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| 16:11 | <spawacz> | Aug 15 19:34:01 spoofed kernel: [1820751.185086] [UFW BLOCK] IN=ens3 OUT= MAC=spoofed SRC=10.99.62.33 DST=spoofed LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=39 ID=24082 PROTO=TCP SPT=58468 DPT=80 WINDOW=1024 RES=0x00 ACK URGP=0 |
| 16:12 | <spawacz> | I have spoofed the ips and server name |
| 16:12 | <spawacz> | hmm so it's my hosting provider? |
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| 16:17 | <dudes> | hi |
| 16:17 | <dudes> | can anyone help me troubleshoot the issue I am having with my headset microphone? it just won't work |
| 16:18 | <dudes> | I have tried talking over the mic on my phone and it works fine, but on my laptop only sound from the headset seems to be working (input audio is handled by my laptop default microphone, not my headset microphone). I currently have alsa and pulse installed |
| 16:20 | <sney> | dudes: what kind of microphone is it? |
| 16:20 | <sney> | or rather, how is it connected? |
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| 16:22 | <mirage> | Have you checked if your microphone is muted? |
| 16:23 | <mirage> | dudes^ |
| 16:23 | <mentor> | dudes: How does your headset connect to your phone and computer? |
| 16:24 | <dudes> | nothing special, just a regular headset. two jacks and they gave a connector i use to merge them into one which i simply plug in |
| 16:24 | <mentor> | dudes: Your computer is unlikely to have a combined headphone and microphone port |
| 16:24 | <dudes> | the audio plays fine but i cant talk over my mic on my headset, rather the laptop mic handles that |
| 16:25 | <dudes> | its just simple cable and plug in |
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| 16:25 | <dudes> | the mic shown to be working on my phone which i confirmed |
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| 16:26 | <sney> | your computer most likely has a separate microphone jack, so you will need to remove your combo jack dongle and connect the plugs separately |
| 16:27 | <dudes> | thats the issue i only have one way in |
| 16:27 | <mentor> | dudes: Only one audio port? |
| 16:27 | <dudes> | yeah its a laptop |
| 16:28 | <dudes> | im weirded out tho the mic should be working or? |
| 16:28 | <jmcnaught> | My laptop has a single 3.5mm headset jack |
| 16:29 | <jmcnaught> | dudes: have you tried pavucontrol? It might let you select microphone source. |
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| 16:29 | <dudes> | i installed it earlier, it only shown "Microphone" as an option, nothing else was in the drop down |
| 16:30 | <jmcnaught> | dudes: that was on pavucontrol's Input Devices tab? |
| 16:30 | <dudes> | correct |
| 16:31 | <dudes> | is there anything i can do to debug it |
| 16:31 | <jmcnaught> | Does the headset work on this computer with a different version of Debian, or a different OS? Which release of Debian? |
| 16:31 | <dudes> | buster |
| 16:34 | <amacater> | dudes: If you only have one audio jack: is it marked for both mic and speaker/headset. Some laptops combine both. |
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| 16:35 | <amacater> | If you have a headset with two jacks - how many rings on each. Did they give you a Y connector with one jack for headset |
| 16:35 | <dudes> | one is for the headphones and one is for microphone |
| 16:35 | <mentor> | dudes: What make/model of laptop is this? Have you tried plugging in only the microphone jack into the computer? |
| 16:35 | <dudes> | but i have a connector which works and i tried it on my phone, the external mic was picked up |
| 16:35 | <amacater> | one jack for microphone and an output jack with ? four rings |
| 16:36 | <dudes> | What make/model of laptop is this? - oh very oldie, i am literally running debian minimal+i3 |
| 16:37 | <dudes> | one jack for microphone and an output jack with ? four rings - what do you mean ? |
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| 16:37 | <mentor> | dudes: I was looking for enough information to check the laptop specification. |
| 16:37 | <dudes> | in that case |
| 16:38 | <dudes> | easynote te69kb |
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| 16:40 | <joeDoe> | I upgraded to bullseye this morning and libreoffice won't start anymore. Nothing happens either using dmenu in i3wm or launching from cli. ps shows that oosplash and soffice.bin running, but no window appears. The only thing I see in dmesg since trying to start libreoffice is 'audit: type=1400 audit(1629048002.689:34): apparmor="ALLOWED" operation="signal" profile="libreoffice-oopslash" |
| 16:40 | <joeDoe> | pid=2139 comm="oosplash" requested_mask="send" denied_mask="send" signal=kill peer="libreoffice-soffice"', but that looks innocent enough. What else should I try to debug this? |
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| 16:42 | <mentor> | dudes: I've found a random document on the internet that claims it is a combined headphone out, microphone in |
| 16:42 | <amacater> | Right - the laptop has one jack - combined mic/headset (or speaker). That is probably expecting a plug with a tip and three rings. Essentially, that's enough contacts for both devices - if you plug in another plug, you may get mono mic / stereo headset |
| 16:43 | <dudes> | i see |
| 16:43 | <amacater> | So - your adapter - is it 2.5mil, three rings, one tip |
| 16:43 | <dudes> | let me check |
| 16:43 | <amacater> | Google for the model and I found what the side looks like. |
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| 16:45 | <ens> | tarzeau: after playing package -dev version roulette and patching gnome-terminal source and getting all that jazz working (took a fair while). no transparency option... but i did get the suggestion to use tilix instead and i instantly love it. |
| 16:45 | <amacater> | I have a combined headset / mic here and the plug looks like that. If so, then at the top of your adapter, you should have one socket for headphone, one for mic - and it's likely that those connectors are single tip and ring. |
| 16:45 | <spawacz> | I'm also having issues with mic atm. Never used mic on linux before btw. So I run pavucontrol, the mic is detected properly as rear pink slot |
| 16:46 | <spawacz> | but the sound is permanently 0 (it is jumping 1 or 2 pixles when i raise it to 150%) |
| 16:46 | <spawacz> | it's not muted, I've got a button on it |
| 16:46 | <dudes> | amacater: correct thats how it works |
| 16:47 | <dudes> | and i did plug in everything how it should be, only my microphone doesnt seem to be working on my laptop |
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| 16:47 | <dudes> | on phone i tried recording with the voice recorder app and says external mic is being used, and it does seem to be functional |
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| 16:49 | <dudes> | you think theres anything i have to change so my system uses my external mic? |
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| 16:51 | <mentor> | dudes: Are there any other hardware profiles available in pulseaudio? |
| 16:51 | <dudes> | not sure tbh, how do i make sure? |
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| 16:52 | <dudes> | pactl load-module module-loopback - i ran this and still seems to be my default laptop mic |
| 16:55 | <mentor> | dudes: Try pavucontrol |
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| 16:58 | <dudes> | what do I do in it? |
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| 16:58 | <mentor> | dudes: There is a configuration tab |
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| 17:00 | <dudes> | i opened it right now |
| 17:00 | <dudes> | built in audio is off |
| 17:00 | <dudes> | and other profile |
| 17:00 | <dudes> | same name built in audio |
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| 17:01 | <dudes> | is set to analog stereo duplex |
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| 17:01 | <mentor> | dudes: So, the one that's off… |
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| 17:02 | <dudes> | has three options in dropdown |
| 17:02 | <dudes> | all say (unplugged) |
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| 17:02 | <garbled> | sigh, i hate firefox and javascript, now one of my devices wont talk to me over http anymore |
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| 17:10 | <garbled> | is there any way to install an older version of firefox, or similar? |
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| 17:11 | <dvs> | ??? |
| 17:11 | <dvs> | Now that's a switch |
| 17:11 | <garbled> | I want something more ancient-y |
| 17:11 | <bremner> | use RHEL? |
| 17:12 | <bremner> | (not serious) |
| 17:12 | <garbled> | ick, please no |
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| 17:13 | <bremner> | generally old browsers are considered a bad idea, because security |
| 17:13 | <garbled> | right, I get that.. but I specifically want an old one because the new one breaks access to my PDU's |
| 17:13 | <bremner> | maybe one of the text browsers work? |
| 17:14 | <garbled> | ideally if I could have it installed as a separate install, then it doesn't cause all the phizz with security on general browsing.. |
| 17:15 | <garbled> | no, way too much of a gui for that to be useable |
| 17:15 | <EdePopede> | garbled: firefox is something you just can get from mozilla and throw into /usr/local or somewhere. also there's the repo of all available debian packages somewhere... |
| 17:15 | <bremner> | ,snapshots |
| 17:16 | <bremner> | !snapshots |
| 17:16 | <EdePopede> | ^ |
| 17:16 | <dpkg> | https://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. https://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 17:16 | <garbled> | hrmm.. maybe I can hunt an old iceweasle or something |
| 17:16 | <EdePopede> | i think i had a 30 something running on now oldoldstable last year |
| 17:17 | <garbled> | I think it was working as recently as 50ish |
| 17:17 | <garbled> | maybe even 68 |
| 17:18 | <jelly> | garbled, you can grab old firefox-esr or old iceweasel; do you have https issues or need flash, or java applet or what precisely? |
| 17:18 | <garbled> | so I have an Avocent PDU, the login page won't render anymore.. javascript console says something about doc.load not being a function |
| 17:19 | * | jelly keeps 32bit firefox 45esr for java applet purposes |
| 17:19 | <garbled> | I'm guessing there was some kind of compatibility js in an older version of js, that firefox whacked |
| 17:19 | <garbled> | hrmm.. thats what I need |
| 17:19 | <jelly> | js is not java. |
| 17:20 | <garbled> | yeah but 45 would do the trick, how do you keep it from mucking with your exsiting profile? |
| 17:21 | <ansgar> | Install the old browser in a VM. |
| 17:21 | <jelly> | /opt/firefox45/firefox -ProfileManager or something, haven't run it in a while |
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| 17:21 | <garbled> | hrmm.. guess I have to do that.. sigh |
| 17:22 | <jelly> | https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/45.9.0esr/linux-x86_64/en-US/ |
| 17:22 | <jelly> | yes, VM isolation would be safer |
| 17:23 | <garbled> | oh yeah.. profilemanager would probably work |
| 17:24 | <garbled> | I don't need it to be safe, it just needs to connect to internal stuff |
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| 17:26 | <jelly> | safe: from ruining your regular firefox config |
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| 17:27 | <jelly> | https://i.imgur.com/pEh15Ey.png -- I did in fact remember that right |
| 17:27 | <garbled> | true.. profilemanager worked perfectly though, and I can login again |
| 17:27 | <EdePopede> | http://www.mozilla.com/de/firefox/11.0/firstrun/ gives me a 308 :) |
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| 17:28 | <garbled> | yep, and that 45esr works perfectly, thank you! |
| 17:29 | <jelly> | I also have a VM with IE6, and another with IE11 for similar reasons |
| 17:29 | <amacater> | As daft as it sounds, you might want to try something like elinks |
| 17:29 | <EdePopede> | redefining HOME for the browser also works perfectly |
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| 17:30 | <garbled> | I dunno if elinks would be... tolarable.. with this webui |
| 17:30 | <EdePopede> | *nod* could open a NYT article earlier today with links2, while in firefox they wanted to sell me the page |
| 17:30 | <jelly> | some old servers have out-of-band management that's less painful to use with ActiveX than with java |
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| 17:31 | <garbled> | I mean yeah, I could read the info, but trying to click my way down the PDU stack to an outlet might make me insane |
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| 17:31 | <Guest4423> | jelly… sounds like ILO4 or earlier lol |
| 17:31 | <ansgar> | jelly: I ould hope such servers were decomissioned as they are probably not very energy efficient. |
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| 17:32 | <jelly> | Guest4423, iLO4 2.70 or later has a HTML5 console |
| 17:33 | <jelly> | think iLO2-age |
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| 17:35 | <jelly> | ansgar, licensing required to migrate apps to better platform trumps cost of power by 2-4 orders of magnitude |
| 17:36 | <garbled> | AHA.. someone on the proxmox forums solved my problem with bullseye as an LXC. you need to set nesting=1 |
| 17:37 | <garbled> | yay.. my machine isn't spewing apparmor errors every 3 seconds anymore |
| 17:37 | <felco> | hello guys, just saw bullseye is due for this weekend, and I wondering how to upgrade from buster? there is a general howto somewhere? |
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| 17:38 | <garbled> | interesting.. my bullseye LXC, consumes slightly more CPU doing nothing, than it did when running buster.. |
| 17:38 | <bremner> | felco: there are detailed release notes on www.debian.org |
| 17:39 | <bremner> | felco: and yes, it released |
| 17:40 | <felco> | thanks! |
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| 17:40 | <garbled> | my upgrade was fairly painless, but I haven't tried my desktop yet.... |
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| 17:42 | <TobiX> | garbled: My horrible plan to run old webuis which need Java using https://oldweb.today/ wasn't that well received by my colleagues... |
| 17:42 | <garbled> | if only freenas ran debian.. but I guess truenas-scale does, or at least sorta does... |
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| 17:43 | <garbled> | that wouldn't work on internal urls.. would it? |
| 17:43 | <TobiX> | garbled: It's Free Software, so you can host your own sandboxed copy: https://github.com/oldweb-today/oldweb-today |
| 17:44 | <garbled> | hrmm |
| 17:44 | <TobiX> | Since it needs a websocket proxy to get around same-origin policy you could even restrict it to only the legacy webuis that need it |
| 17:44 | <garbled> | thats... actually tempting |
| 17:44 | <mulin> | Hello everybody. I'm new to IRC! |
| 17:44 | <mulin> | The DVD-1 image is coming with contrib enabled on the cd-rom, security and update lines. This is normal? |
| 17:44 | <mulin> | The netinstall image is just with main. y |
| 17:45 | <TobiX> | garbled: It's basically an x86 VM runinng in a modern web browser... Eats CPUs for breakfast |
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| 17:46 | <garbled> | true, but, then my links could work... |
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| 17:47 | <ydbi> | garbled: that's how it always works - the more recent the software, the more resources it consumes doing nothing |
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| 17:47 | <ydbi> | if you can get old software run on new hardware, it is infinitely more performant than any modern software |
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| 17:48 | <koollman_> | it depends. Some old software is really badly written too :) |
| 17:48 | <garbled> | yeah.. thats... the problem with everything |
| 17:48 | <ydbi> | that's why some people are paid $$$$$ to make MSDOS run on core i7 |
| 17:48 | <ydbi> | because it's faster than anything else |
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| 17:49 | <garbled> | In the ancient days, the cpus were slow, and everyone was optimizing code. then cpu speeds started growing like crazy, and everyone said "optimizing is stupid, let the cpu deal with it, write more oop", now cpu's are once again not growing in speed as fast.. I'm hoping optimization comes back into style. |
| 17:50 | <ydbi> | it won't |
| 17:50 | <ydbi> | that would require skills that are not being taught anymore, and few people actually want to spend the time studying |
| 17:50 | <somiaj> | A lot depends on what is being writen, there is still some fairly optimized code out there, but it isn't as common, since more people prefer features. |
| 17:50 | <garbled> | yes.. sigh.. people look at me like I'm crazy now when I say I do C, without any additional suffixes |
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| 17:51 | <somiaj> | Compilers are quite good at optimizing stuff too compared to the old days, but yea I agree, optimized code is just nice |
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| 17:53 | <garbled> | I still remember when I learned how AIX did optimized code per-CPU, and how in awe I was of such an elegant and amazing system |
| 17:54 | <dvs> | you are talking about AIX, right? |
| 17:54 | * | dvs slinks away |
| 17:54 | <garbled> | yeah.. its.. odd, but a few things they did were.. amazing |
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| 17:56 | <ens> | think i found out what is going on with my fans, they arn't detected in sensors so i guess it's just defaulting to whatever the hardware runs them at |
| 17:56 | <ens> | trying to see how to detect these fans |
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| 17:57 | <ens> | i already ran sensors-detect and said 'yes' to all |
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| 18:01 | <somiaj> | ens: is this newer hardware, I find my newer mobo doesn't have nearly has many sensors being detected as previous ones, unsure if they are less common or just need kernel updates for the newer hardware |
| 18:01 | <jasonre> | Hi, I have an existing dmcrypt partition on which an LVM PV lives, split into 3 LVs. When installing using netinst iso I want to retain the dmcrypt volume and the LVM VG on it. Installer seems to want to re-initialize the dmcrypt. How to retain existing dmcrypt? |
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| 18:03 | <jasonre> | I actually installed by manually running cryptsetup luksOpen in vt 1 then manually setting things up, but now initramfs doesn't do cryptsetup. |
| 18:03 | <ens> | it's a HP ZBook 15 G3. From 2015. I don't think it's a particularly obscure box but this is the first time running linux on it |
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| 18:40 | <wswartz> | Greetings. On Bullseye, I am trying to get rid of firefox-esr. But APT wants to replace it with chromium. So it needs a browser. Is there an orthodox way to have that browser be the Brave snap instead? |
| 18:40 | <felco> | sweet, just upgraded =] thanks |
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| 18:41 | <sney> | wswartz: it's probably a dependency of some metapackage (e.g. cinnamon-desktop-environment) that can also be safely removed in most cases. but there's also equivs, |
| 18:41 | <graytron> | after I upgraded from buster to bullseye, pulseaudio is automatically spawned although autospawn is disabled in /etc/pulse/client.conf |
| 18:41 | <sney> | !equivs |
| 18:41 | <dpkg> | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>. |
| 18:42 | <graytron> | how do i stop pulseaudio from autospawning? |
| 18:42 | <wswartz> | sney: Oooooooh. Cool! Thanks. |
| 18:42 | <sney> | wswartz: np. |
| 18:43 | <sussudio> | graytron: uninstall it? |
| 18:43 | <graytron> | sussudio: i need it |
| 18:43 | <sussudio> | graytron: what for |
| 18:43 | <graytron> | for software that requires pulseaudio |
| 18:44 | <sney> | graytron: pulseaudio went from version 12.2 to 14.2 on this upgrade, so maybe the syntax for pulse/client.conf is different? |
| 18:44 | <sussudio> | you want to stop it from autospawning, but you want to use it. |
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| 18:45 | <graytron> | i think some games may actually require pulseaudio instead of alsa |
| 18:45 | <graytron> | :D |
| 18:45 | <sney> | in fact, pulse-client.conf(5) has some information about the autospawn option right above the fold. |
| 18:45 | <sussudio> | doesn't pulseaudio use alsa |
| 18:45 | <graytron> | sney: thanks! i'll look into it |
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| 18:46 | <sney> | alsa is the linux kernel audio drivers. everything that makes sound on a modern linux system "uses alsa". |
| 18:46 | <sney> | but a lot of stuff prefers some abstraction rather than talking to e.g. /dev/dsp directly. |
| 18:49 | <ens> | i booted into another distro to check to see if it deals with the fan throttling properly and it does, even though i checked the sensors command output and it still doesn't show any fans detected... |
| 18:50 | <hendursaga> | sney: ah! I always wanted to know how to get rid of Firefox ESR.. |
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| 18:58 | <graytron> | sney: thanks. needed to "mask" those pulseaudio systemd services, and it worked |
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| 18:58 | <sney> | hendursaga, wswartz - just to check, are you both using cinnamon? |
| 18:58 | <wswartz> | GNOME 3 |
| 18:59 | <sney> | wswartz: what's the output of 'apt rdepends --installed firefox-esr'? |
| 19:00 | <sney> | nvm, it's going to be gnome-core. bah, that should be a recommend |
| 19:01 | <wswartz> | I'm thinking that this equivs stub package is also going to need to map gnome-www-browser to Brave. Through update-alternatives, it seems. |
| 19:02 | <sney> | equivs is just about telling apt the package is installed and the dependency is satisfied. |
| 19:02 | <sney> | alternatives can be handled separately, even manually |
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| 19:08 | <hendursaga> | sney: I use KDE |
| 19:09 | <sney> | hendursaga: weird, I just tested 'apt remove firefox-esr' on my bullseye laptop and it was ready to remove it, no fuss, without installing anything else |
| 19:09 | <wswartz> | Hrm. Brave has a package for Debian. Perhaps that's the best route. |
| 19:10 | <wswartz> | Do you also have chromium installed? |
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| 19:19 | <sney> | nope, https://paste.debian.net/1207793 |
| 19:19 | <wswartz> | What's providing gnome-www-browser? |
| 19:20 | <sney> | nothing, because like hendursaga I'm using kde so it doesn't need that |
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| 19:21 | <wswartz> | Okay, what about x-www-browser? |
| 19:21 | <hendursaga> | sney: oh, this laptop I'm "still" using Buster |
| 19:22 | <sney> | x-www-browser is an alternative that doesn't need to be populated by anything, it has no bearing on what apt does |
| 19:23 | <sney> | for completion, /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser is currently linked to /usr/bin/firefox-esr, which I'm not actually going to remove as I use it on this machine and currently have some tabs open. |
| 19:24 | <sney> | but apt didn't need to replace it with anything else in this case, because it's only a recommend. I'm thinking of sending an email to the desktop team about this, as gnome and cinnamon are the only desktops that AFAIK fully depend on a packaged browser, everyone else just Rs them |
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| 19:25 | <garbled> | this is why I run awesome... :) |
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| 19:26 | <wswartz> | I installed Brave via first party .deb package, and APT still wants to install chromium in place of firefox-esr. |
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| 19:28 | <sney> | right, because gnome-core has this under Depends: firefox-esr (>= 78) | firefox (>= 78) | chromium | chromium-browser | epiphany-browser |
| 19:28 | <wswartz> | What if I created an equivs for firefox-esr? |
| 19:28 | <sney> | that's what you were supposed to do with equivs. |
| 19:29 | <sney> | I guess you could also install epiphany-browser and just never use it |
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| 19:30 | <wswartz> | If it's GNOME that's complaining, I'll just do Epiphany. |
| 19:31 | <sney> | aptitude is also a good tool for situations like this, you can 'aptitude remove foo' and just press N for its suggestions until it coughs up one you can work with. |
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| 19:35 | <wswartz> | I just went with Epiphany. Oh, and Brave from .deb has working 3D acceleration while the snap didn't. |
| 19:36 | <sney> | handy |
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| 20:17 | <spidey> | Hi guys. I'm running Debian Buster. I really want to play spider-man 2: the game on linux, will wine work just fine in Debian? |
| 20:18 | <somiaj> | spidey: you kinda have to check winehq.org out for info on that, and what version of wine has good support for the game. |
| 20:18 | <somiaj> | Note winehq.org has its own debian repo and packages that allow you to install versions of wine not in debian, and they work just fine here |
| 20:18 | <somiaj> | (basically the version of wine in buster is frozen, and if or if not it works for a particular game depends, and winehq can help you figure that out) |
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| 20:19 | <somiaj> | also building wine in debian isn't too bad either, but I've been happy with the winehq packages fora while now |
| 20:19 | <spidey> | somiaj: I see. I have just found this by performing a simple google search - https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=3653 , is this relevant? |
| 20:20 | <somiaj> | that's jsut the demo, and that is a very old version of wine, it might work just fine with the version supplied by debian |
| 20:20 | <somiaj> | ,v wine |
| 20:20 | <judd> | Package: wine on amd64 -- stretch: 1.8.7-2; stretch-backports: 4.0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 4.0-2; bookworm: 5.0.3-3; bullseye: 5.0.3-3; sid: 5.0.3-3 |
| 20:20 | <somiaj> | buster has 4.0 |
| 20:21 | <spidey> | I see. |
| 20:21 | <somiaj> | ,v wine-development |
| 20:21 | <judd> | Package: wine-development on amd64 -- stretch: 2.0-3; buster: 4.2-4; sid: 5.6-2; sid: 6.0+repack-1 |
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| 20:21 | <spidey> | couldn't I just download the game from online and then run the executable with wine? |
| 20:21 | <somiaj> | you could also get 4.2 from wine-development, but I think the default wine will work just fine for that game (if it still works, hard to trust such old info) |
| 20:22 | <somiaj> | In theory, though it is worth getting a little familar with wine, creating a WINEPREFIX just for this game, and using winecfg and winetricks if needed. The exact configuration can vary drastically from game to game |
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| 20:22 | <somiaj> | since there isn't to much info on winehq, it might just work or take a little bit of research on your part, but the first things is |
| 20:22 | <somiaj> | !tas |
| 20:22 | <somiaj> | try and see |
| 20:23 | <spidey> | thanks for your information! |
| 20:23 | <dvs> | huh? |
| 20:23 | <dvs> | !tias |
| 20:23 | <dpkg> | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 20:23 | <somiaj> | ahh missed the i |
| 20:24 | <spidey> | somiaj I am hoping it will work out of box, it is an old game and I want to play it because nostalgia |
| 20:25 | <spidey> | I remember that I used to play it back when I had my windows xp computer, now here I am on linux and dont want to use windows just to be able to play a game from my childhood |
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| 20:28 | <spidey> | somiaj: what do you say about this? https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=11302 and how do we install stuff from appdb |
| 20:29 | <sney> | spidey: appdb is just an information database. you will have to try installing your game in wine and see what happens |
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| 20:30 | <spidey> | I see |
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| 20:30 | <spidey> | I thought it is like pre-configured stuff for the game |
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| 20:35 | <mechanic> | spidey it's just a database, where people can report their journey how they fare installing stuff |
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| 20:36 | <spidey> | mechanic: so how do I play the game I want on wine? would installing wine and running the game just work? I don't think the game has any special stuff added into it as it's very old |
| 20:37 | <mechanic> | spidey, you would really just need to try installing it, you may look into lutris db, to see if there is an installer to look if they do something special. but who knows. as most companies do sometimes weird stuff which wine can't predict |
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| 20:38 | <somiaj> | spidey: install wine, try to use wine to install the game, deal with issues as they arise, might have to do some research or maybe a wine specific channel |
| 20:38 | <spidey> | I see. that's all I needed to know then, thanks! |
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| 20:48 | <fmpohls> | aw jeez |
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| 20:49 | <tulpa> | hello i am upgrading my debian 10 VPS to bullseye. Just edited my sources: https://paste.debian.net/1207800/ |
| 20:49 | <tulpa> | does that look ok? |
| 20:50 | <dvs> | !bullseye sources.list |
| 20:50 | <dpkg> | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Bullseye" has three lines: "deb https://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main" "deb https://deb.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main" "deb https://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-updates main". Note that it is <bullseye-security> and not <bullseye/updates>. See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <bullseye-updates> and |
| 20:50 | <sney> | yes, you probably don't need all of the deb-src unless you are recompiling packages, but that is fine |
| 20:50 | <tulpa> | thank you |
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| 21:52 | <ASDX> | does anyone know how to install debian 10 with a preseed file to use a specific release (like 10.10)? i currently have the preseed file using an apt-cacher-ng server but it seems to install 10.10 plus newer packages. the apt-cacher-ng server has a buster and buster-updates dir but there are no references to 10.10 in either dir |
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| 21:53 | <user_name_12345> | Does the kernel for Debian 11 have any outstanding problems with ryzen mobile (first generation)? |
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| 22:23 | <somiaj> | ASDX: If installing from a mirror, you will always install the most current packages, in general it doesnt' matter what point release you install, an upgrade will bring you up to date. |
| 22:24 | <somiaj> | and yes you should only see a buster directory, since packages are not seperate by point releases |
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| 23:00 | <mechanic> | user_name_12345 no it shouldn't |
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| 23:04 | <jhutchins> | !release notes |
| 23:04 | <dpkg> | The release notes for Debian 11 (Bullseye) are at https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/ . See also <buster->bullseye>, <bullseye install guide> |
| 23:04 | <jhutchins> | !errata |
| 23:04 | <dpkg> | Last minute notes regarding Debian 11 ("bullseye") are listed at https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/errata . Known problems in the installer are listed at https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/debian-installer/#errata |
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| 23:40 | <ASDX> | somiaj: so to achieve installation from a point release I'll have to switch to an ISO? wanting to do this so I can use Ansible and be aware of packages of particular packages when setting their config files that may change in format for example |
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| 23:52 | <ana_jpn> | hello |
| 23:52 | <ana_jpn> | hello |
| 23:53 | <crawler> | !ask ana_jpn |
| 23:53 | <crawler> | !ask |
| 23:53 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 23:54 | <ana_jpn> | !ask |
| 23:54 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 23:54 | <crawler> | ana_jpn , please ask your question |
| 23:56 | <ana_jpn> | no questio |
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