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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-08-28

---Logopened Sat Aug 28 00:00:13 2021
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00:09<timothywcrane>hey guys, not looking for a flame war... but I was wondering if anyone had a DE selection between gnome/KDE/XFCE for a preference when doing Visual User testing?
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00:12<sussudio>!start a flame war
00:12<dpkg>i guess start a flame war is #del#
00:12<timothywcrane>wayland compatible with tools such as sixulix and watir? I think watir is Xorg only...
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01:43<Joe_alcoholic>Why no qalculate?
01:43<Joe_alcoholic>I tried to figure it out but I dont understand this complicated stuff.
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01:44<Joe_alcoholic>I did figure out how to install it from testing.
01:44<Joe_alcoholic>But, I wonder why it isn't automatic included.
01:44<Joe_alcoholic>I also learned lots like how to add bullseye-backports
01:44<Joe_alcoholic>that gets me a new version of inxi
01:44<Joe_alcoholic>but i wonder if it would ever get me the qalculate i had to get from testing or not
01:45<Joe_alcoholic>hor how that works, how does debian work, like after release, do new things ever appear in rep?
01:45<Joe_alcoholic>repo?
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01:45<Joe_alcoholic>or is it frozen froever and only bullseye-backports gets stuff?
01:45<Joe_alcoholic>and will it get that qalculate?
01:45<Joe_alcoholic>and i figured out how to use unstable repo to get firefox, but why is it version 88 like a few versions back?
01:46<Joe_alcoholic>And, thanks much to anyone who helped, I really happy with this latest release and debian in general etc.
01:47<Joe_alcoholic>oh yeah and chromium too, noticed thats version 90 a couple back, will that ever update in stable or backports, or is that it?
01:48<Joe_alcoholic>i actually tested version 92 by downloading deb from bionic repo and it worked so i dunno what that means
01:48<Joe_alcoholic>oh and lxtask still using gtk2 so i cant scale it with gdk_scale=2 cuz that only works on gtk3 stuff, so its super tiny. but i still love it.
01:49<Joe_alcoholic>cuz other than htop everything else too confusing
01:51<Joe_alcoholic>It's not that I need newer versions of chromium or firefox btw, it's just that I'm curious how this works.
01:51<Joe_alcoholic>plus i have an actual standalone fancy TI-89 calculator so I dont need qalculate either.
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01:55<Joe_alcoholic>Hello hybrid wipe.
01:55<Joe_alcoholic>Not sure exactly what that means, but you are most certainly welcome here.
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01:57<FizzBuzz>does dpkg path-exclude work in bullseye for kernel modules?
02:00<Joe_alcoholic>Sorry FizzBuzz, I dunno.
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02:08<tjcarter>FizzBuzz: depending on how they get installed, yes.
02:08<tjcarter>FizzBuzz: but packages that include kernel modules probably should just not be installed if you don't want those modules.
02:08<tjcarter>So I'm a little confused as to what you're trying to do.
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03:17<sandra>Upgrading Buster to Bullseye!
03:17<sandra>At the full-upgrade step, a message that looked important quickly flashed by but I didn't get to read the whole thing because the TUI "Keep the old version or the new version" thing popped up.
03:17<sandra>I hit C-z, but it was too late to scroll up. I did fg but the TUI was borked and didn't reply to commands. I hit C-z again, typed reset because my shell was also borked, and then killed the %1 job.
03:17<sandra>I now wanna try full-upgrade again but here's the question: how do I get the normal shell prompt CLI as opposed to the ncurses style TUI?
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03:31<sandra>This is a dpkg option maybe?
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03:33<sandra>Oh it's only Dovecot that's doing this
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03:49<sandra>mount: mounting /dev/sda on /root failed: No such device
03:49<sandra>Failed to mount /dev/sda as root file system.
03:49<sandra>That's not good 💔
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04:58<arpad>I'd like to get some informations about XFCE and VTs there, Does anybody have a VT which can manage "gitfm" as it should
04:58<arpad>work just with bash on console?
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05:03<arpad>AFAIK it is as perfect as mutt but not a single VT in XFCE can be used like in a console, no one is able
05:03<arpad>to be a bash surrounding, which one does anybody prefer?
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05:06<arpad>I tested every VT presented by XFCE, no one can be used as gitfm is able to do its job.
05:08<arpad>Are here only ones who can use pointers and no longer keyboards?
05:10<arpad>Oh I didn'd forget to explain gitfm. I didn't mention it who to find, becaus anybody who doesn't find it
05:10<arpad>by himselve I don#t want ti discuss to.
05:13<arpad>nobody?
05:19<mooff>(to save others a google, gitfm is from 'gnu interactive tools', the gnuit package. it is not directly related to git
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05:22<mooff>arpad: it seems to work for me in terminator
05:22<mooff>okay - it doesn't. i see now what you mean.
05:27<mooff>in fact, no - it seems to behave identically on a real tty
05:28<mooff>i imagined you might want it to show command out in a manner smoother than the 'Press almost any key to continue' screen that replaces the UI
05:29<mooff>out -> output
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05:30<mooff>the colours are much more readable on the console, though. i agree that terminals, but in particular GUI terminals can have very difficult to read colour combinations
05:32<tjcarter>Anyone who just picked up a Fractal Torrent case … recall on the fan hub.
05:33<tjcarter>Initiated by Fractal themselves, respect to the company for, y'know, not doing douchey things like SOME companies out there have done.
05:33<mooff>lol
05:35<mooff>if this were a Twitch channel, it would be time for the sub emote DebiLinusFnvidia
05:35<tjcarter>I haven't seen that emote but … I can predict what it'd be.
05:36*tjcarter might've taken a stab at arpad's question but tried to decipher it and has no idea what he's on about.
05:37<mooff>well, probably solvable by someone. eventually
05:37<tjcarter>Not sure how XFCE has anything to do with VTs which happen outside of X and/or Wayland anyway. (XFCE is still X11-only like Cinnamon, isn't it?)
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05:41<oasis85>Hi, will there be official support for 0ad alpha 24?
05:45<arpad>mooff: just tested
05:46<arpad>mooff: arrow keys nor working
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05:49<arpad>mooff: killing terminator ....
05:49<mooff>yes, oasis85
05:50<mooff>~as official as it gets
05:51<mooff>someone contributing to 0ad has recently joined #debian-games and is picking up the ropes to help with packaging
05:51<mooff>arpad: try googling about 'gitfm arrow keys not working', there should be good results
05:52<mooff>there's likely a setting to change in your terminal's preferences to enable an older control code or control scheme
05:56<oasis85>mooff: That's cool. Do you know how far out it might be?
05:57<mooff>oasis85: join #debian-games and ask, sure
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05:58<arpad>mooff: studying manual
06:00<mooff>arpad: the google results for gitfm arrow keys not working weren't helpful
06:00<mooff>but the results for _"gitfm" arrow keys not working_ were. the first result line reads:
06:00<mooff>> If the arrow keys don't work (it might be due to a badly configured ...
06:01<mooff>from the manual on gnu.org. good luck!
06:01<arpad>mooff: Still don't know, srill studying :) Thanks anyway!!!
06:02<oasis85>Thanks mooff
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06:02<mooff>🙏
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06:05<ham5urg_>What's the name of the package to get a gnome-desktop after installing a fresh debootstrapped system?
06:05<mooff>task-gnome-desktop
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06:23<ham5urg_>thanks
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07:08<jstolarek>I'm upgrading from jessie to stretch and as soon as I switch repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list and run apt-get update I'm getting errors about lack of publick keys for the repos
07:09<jstolarek>upgrade manual doesn't mention anything about the need to upgrade GPG keys for the servers
07:09<jstolarek>though I vaguely recall I had to deal with something similar in the past already - can't remember what the solution was though
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07:12<mooff>jstolarek: https://serverfault.com/questions/851724/apt-key-add-on-debian-stretch-no-valid-openpgp-data-found
07:13<mooff>https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=656856
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07:17<Tj>jstolarek: is that due to the key format being changed from ASCII-encoded to binary in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ ?
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07:25<jstolarek>mooff: I tried things suggested there and it doesn't seem to work
07:25<jstolarek>Tj: no idea
07:26<jstolarek>Tj: all files in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ seem to be binary
07:26<jstolarek>I vaguely recall dealing with something like this using apt-key
07:28<Tj>jstolarek: oh, for apt... are you missing the updated archive keyrings?
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07:29<jstolarek>Tj: I have debian-archive-keyring
07:29<jstolarek>not sure if I should have any other packages?
07:33<Tj>jstolarek: well, first get some of the key IDs thatare reported missing, then see what keys those are, and then you can determine where they should be on the system
07:34<Tj>jstolarek: does "ls /etc/apt/trusted.gpgp.d/ " report a bunch of 'debian*automatic.gpg' keys?
07:35<Tj>oops, typo in gpgp should be gpg !
07:35<jstolarek>Tj: yes, there's a bunch of keys in there
07:35<jstolarek>I'm getting error NO_PUBKEY 0E98404D386FA1D9
07:35<jstolarek>so I tried:
07:36<Tj>let's find where that one should be
07:36<jstolarek>apt-key adv --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv-keys 0E98404D386FA1D9
07:36<jstolarek>and that tells me that the key can't be retrieved
07:36<jstolarek>Tj: how do I find that out?
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07:41<Tj>jstolarek: see http://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?search=0x0E98404D386FA1D9&fingerprint=on&op=index
07:42<Tj>jstolarek: did you say you upgraded to 'stretch' ? if so check "ls /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/" for "debian-archive-stretch-automatic.gpg"
07:42<jstolarek>wow, I would never guess to search for Debian public keys on Ubuntu keyserver
07:43<jstolarek>I am preparing to upgrade to stretch
07:43<jstolarek>from jessie
07:43<jstolarek>interestingly, the file that you mentioned is there already
07:43<Tj>jstolarek: Debian doesn't have a web-front-end to keyring.debian.org
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07:43<Tj>jstolarek: I suspect the files are older and not the same key
07:43<jstolarek>Tj: I tried quering keyring.debian.org with apt-key and got no keys
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07:45<Tj>jstolarek: try "gpg --show-keys /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-stretch-automatic.gpg "
07:45<Tj>jstolarek: On buster I see key id E1CF20DDFFE4B89E802658F1E0B11894F66AEC98
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07:47<Tj>jstolarek: which architecture is that system? it could be a ports. key
07:47<jstolarek>it's amd64
07:47<jstolarek>and gpg --show-keys gives me an error - unrecognized option
07:48<jstolarek>keep in mind this is jessie we're talking about
07:48<jstolarek>and the programs are several years old
07:48<Tj>is it even gpg2? or gpg1 ?
07:49<Tj>jstolarek: use "apt-key list"
07:49<jstolarek>Lol, update note: "The gnupg package now provides the "modern" version of GnuPG."
07:50<jstolarek>I'm currently in the middle of upgrade, so things seem to be working
07:50<Tj>js I think your issue is the older release does not have the current signing key
07:50<Tj>about the first thing a release upgrade should so is fetch the latest keyring
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07:52<jstolarek>I don't think it can fetch the latest key if the repositories can't be signed :-)
07:53<Tj>js I'd have expected the newer keyring from stretch to be copied back to jessie, but as jessie went out of support in 2020 it is understandable that it hasn't
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07:53<jstolarek>I think what typically happens (or should happen) is that the keys for newer release should be priovided in the packages for older release
07:53<jstolarek>e.g. see here: https://lists.debian.org/debian-stable-announce/2017/06/msg00000.html
07:53<Tj>jstolarek: yes, in updates
07:54<jstolarek>I do have the updates repo
07:54<jstolarek>and security updates as well
07:54<jstolarek>and again, can;t figure out why it wasn't present od debian keyring server, only on ubuntu one
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08:02<Tj>the jessie-updates repo has no packages in it at all
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08:05<Tj> debian-security/jessie/updates doesn't have any keyring packages either
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08:29<alex11>never mind, the wiki covers this pretty well
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08:45<zantom>hello
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08:46<zantom>I'have a problem with wirt-manager on debian bullseye. I made a new installation of debian bullseye with kde-plasma-desktop. I have set up a basic firewall with nftables only. I Never use ipables. After, I have installed virt-manager with the default configuration.
08:46<zantom>When i start the virtual network on virt-manager, I'have an error : Failed to apply firewall rules /usr/sbin/iptables -w --table --list-rules : iptables v1.8.7 (nf_tbles): table 'filter' is incompatible, use 'nft' tool.
08:47<zantom>Virt-manager recommands libvirt-daemon-system. And libvirt-daemon-system depends iptables or firewalld
08:49<zantom>virt-manager doesnt works with nftables on debian bullseye ?
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08:53<zantom>it's possible to use virt-manager without libvirt-daemon-system ?
08:55<jkc>zantom: Basically to use virt-manager as a client for another host that you're using for KVM hosting?
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09:01<zantom>i use virt-manager and nftables on a computer (host) for run virtual os (guest)
09:02<zantom>virt-manager with default configuration (kvm, qemu)
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09:57<danielcaron>Good day to all. is this channel french or english
09:58<bremner>english
09:58<bremner>!fr
09:58<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. - debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
09:58<bremner>oops, no french hint from the bot?
10:00<danielcaron>Thank you... I have a question here...I am running Debian 11 on a USB beefore deciding to fully install it on my HD. I just realized that when wishing to install others application the library is empty with an errer message
10:01<danielcaron>let me see for the bot.
10:02<danielcaron>I<ve lost the ability to use IRC as it has been quite a while I used it.
10:03<medicalwei>danielcaron: did you `apt update` before `apt install something`?
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10:03<danielcaron>In order to install additionnal software, do I have to install the OS first on the HD ^
10:04<danielcaron>No I did not as it did not propose it
10:04<medicalwei>danielcaron: actually no need to install it first, but everything runs on the RAM
10:04<medicalwei>(I assume you means live image/CD)
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10:05<danielcaron>Just did apt.update and all up to date
10:05<danielcaron>Yes Live
10:06<medicalwei>What did you try to install? (I am guessing it's not in the main Debian archive)
10:06<danielcaron>but what if I want to install other software and the library show empty
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10:12<danielcaron>message showing failed to download https://cdn.fwupd.org/downloads/~firmware.xml.gz.jcat: Cannot resolve hostname
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10:12<medicalwei>danielcaron: I see that you are trying to download firmware for your wifi... but you don't have wifi or internet access I guess
10:13<danielcaron>Ok medicalwei I just read your last comment. Let me review what I can do as nothing was suggested to me. as source.
10:13<medicalwei>danielcaron: !firmware images
10:13<medicalwei>!firwamre images
10:13<medicalwei>!firmware images
10:13<dpkg>There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software. They are otherwise identical to the normal installer images and prepared by the same Debian Developers. See <check iso>.
10:14<medicalwei>you can try the images from above and see whether that works on your machine for wifi access.
10:16<medicalwei>(but these are not live ones, here it is: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.0.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/
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10:21<danielcaron>All I know is that I d/l the Live version with non free
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10:28<danielcaron>I have to quit and reboot
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10:38<davidmaurer>i installed debian 11 on my lenovo ideapad s130 laptop but it won't boot on reboot
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10:39<Tj>davidmaurer: what do you see?
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10:40<davidmaurer>there is just the bios which displays 2 choices: emmc or windows boot manager
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10:41<Tj>davidmaurer: so it is using UEFI mode to boot? when you installed Debian did the installer boot in UEFI mode?
10:41<Tj>davidmaurer: sometimes installers can be started in legacy/CSM/BIOS mode and will install the bootloader for BIOS mode only
10:42<Tj>davidmaurer: the other option is this, some UEFI require youto manually mark a bootloader as "Trusted" via its boot-time setup options
10:43<davidmaurer>I put in the bios legacy boot and I installed from a usb key in legacy boot
10:44<Tj>davidmaurer: so it sounds like the system is now only attempting UEFI mode
10:44<davidmaurer>I started in rescue mode from the usb key what should I do now?
10:44<webmind>Just upgraded to bullseye on my 7th gen x1, but now I've lost audio support. Doesn't see a soundcard at all
10:44<webmind>anyone familiar with this?
10:46<webmind>http://alsa-project.org/db/?f=1f525ad96fd8fdd5855796428981272434b90b85
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10:52<webmind>Getting: firmware: failed to load intel/sof-tplg/sof-hda-generic-4ch.tplg (-2)
10:52<webmind>and before that: warn: FW ABI is more recent than kernel
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10:57<Tj>webmind: do you have package "firmware-sof-signed" installed?
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11:00<webmind>yes: ii firmware-sof-signed 1.7-1 all Intel SOF firmware - signed
11:00<webmind>the firmware does exist btw
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11:01<webmind>dmesg: https://pastebin.com/xZM9brfu
11:03<Tj>webmind: the issue stems from "firmware: direct-loading firmware intel/sof/sof-cnl.ri" and " warning: unknown sof_ext_man header type 6 size 0x20"
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11:07<webmind>Tj: thanks, any idea what it means?
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11:12<Tj>webmind: looks like there has been a LOT of churn in the kernel ./sound/soc/sof/intel/ modules but, from my brief reading of commit b405b4318c77 it suggests prior releases were using SST drivers but now SST and SOF are supposed to co-exist. That may (or may not) be part of your issue.
11:13<Tj>webmind: but the error message seems quite clear; the firmware file is more recent than the kernel module expects. That's a bug and needs reporting
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11:14<Tj>webmind: problem likely stems from https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//non-free/f/firmware-sof/firmware-sof_1.7-1_changelog
11:16<webmind>how so?
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11:19<Tj>webmind: can't see an existing bug at https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=firmware-sof
11:23<Tj>webmind: it looks like you could manually install the older version, from https://github.com/thesofproject/sof-bin/releases/tag/v1.6.1
11:24<Tj>webmind: before doing that you need to check what symlinks exist under /lib/firmware/ since it looks like they create version-specific install directories then sym-link from a non-versioned name
11:26<webmind>looks like I'm using 1.6: /usr/lib/firmware/intel/sof-tplg/sof-hda-generic-4ch.tplg -> ../sof-tplg-v1.6/sof-hda-generic-4ch.tplg
11:27<Tj>webmind: so how is the system loading "Firmware info: version 1:7:0-47d07"
11:27<webmind>not
11:27<webmind>the symlink is also broken
11:28<Tj>hmmm, actually, it says kernel ABI is 1.7 but firmware ia 1.8
11:28<Tj>"Firmware: ABI 3:18:1 Kernel ABI 3:17:0"
11:29<Tj>webmind: show us "find /lib/firmware/intel/sof -ls | nc termbin.com 9999"
11:30<Tj>webmind: actually, drop the "sof" from that
11:30<Tj>webmind: show us "find /lib/firmware/intel/ -ls | nc termbin.com 9999"
11:31<webmind>I fixed the symlink, reloaded snd_sof_pci and now it works
11:31<webmind>now I have: sof-hda-generic-4ch.tplg -> ../sof-tplg-v1.7/sof-hda-generic-4ch.tplg
11:32<Tj>aha!! nice one
11:32<Tj>so one of those bugs was relevant about broken symlinks
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11:43<webmind>Tj: kinda, those are different broken symlinks... :)
11:43<webmind>I've informed the maintainer
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12:13<davidmaurer>Tj: Thank you, I put "uefi first" in the bios, I started in uefi with the usb key, I reinstalled and now it works.
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12:49<sfinks>what's the state of the art when it comes down to simplified firewall management on a vps? I always used ufw because it's so easy to use but I was wondering if there is a shiny new toy that maybe even uses the new nftables or something like that
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12:56<tepozoa>opinionated statement: ufw is actually a pile of rules a mile long, and is not "simple rules" by any means - it's a train a mile long of vendor opinions hiding underneath your simple commandline. I basic iptables.v4/v6 which sets up the chains and filters and allowing SSH is 11 lines long.
13:00<tepozoa>https://paste.debian.net/1209431/
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13:05<sfinks>I appreciate you sharing your personal opinion on ufw and I can see your reasoning, ufw does a lot under the hood.
13:05<sfinks>after running my own firewall with iptables I've got to say that I'm tired of it though, reading through the man pages over and over again every few months just to get something configured
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13:20<crawler>sfinks I tried both, iptables might look hard to maintain because of its command line complexity, but once I simplified them with a set of scripts , I was happy. I tried ufw after that, its command line looks way simpler but the backend itself is adding dozens of chains and rules that confuses me all the time.
13:21<crawler>needless to say ufw is very slow, it takes minutes to set 600+ block rules if I restarted fail2ban, on the other hand iptables does it in seconds
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13:33<jkc>crawler: You're not actually using iptables.
13:33<crawler>I can actually see ufw chains in iptables -L
13:34<jkc>Okay, but you're not actually using iptables.
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13:34<crawler>Would you please elaborate
13:34<another>debian switched to nftables with buster
13:34<jkc>iptables rules are transparently converted to nftables rules in the ... That.
13:34<crawler>interesting
13:34<crawler>,v nftables
13:34<judd>Package: nftables on amd64 -- stretch: 0.7-1; stretch-backports: 0.9.0-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.9.0-2; buster-backports: 0.9.6-1~bpo10+1; bookworm: 0.9.8-3.1; bullseye: 0.9.8-3.1; sid: 0.9.8-3.1; experimental: 0.9.9-1~exp1
13:35<another>having made the switch I very much prefer nftables over xtables
13:35<sussudio>i prefer fussballtables.
13:35<sfinks>interesting, didn't know that either
13:36<jkc>,v iptables-nft
13:36<judd>No package named 'iptables-nft' was found in amd64.
13:36<jkc>Oh, what is that stupid package called...
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13:36<jkc>I forget. But yes, ufw is quite slow. firewalld on the other hand has been great.
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13:38<crawler>jkc thank you so much for the info
13:38<tepozoa>jkc: it's been merged into the iptables package
13:39<crawler>so, technically when I call iptables-restore, it is nftables that is doing the job?
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13:39<tepozoa>yep
13:39<jkc>If you do ANYTHING with iptables, it's nftables.
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13:39<crawler>alright, praise nftables then
13:39<crawler>\o/
13:39<tepozoa>the iptables group wrote some really, really cool code to make it transparent for users by doing invisible conversions for you
13:39<jkc>It's the iptables-nft layer, which I guess is no longer a separate package.
13:40<tepozoa>you can continue to use all your iptables skills and it just works like magic
13:40<tepozoa>other distros like RHEL8 have also made the conversion, it's the new hotness
13:41<tepozoa>all the cool kids are duing it
13:41<crawler>doing*
13:42<tepozoa>https://wiki.nftables.org/wiki-nftables/index.php/Moving_from_iptables_to_nftables
13:42<Tj>some of us have dropped netfilters and moved on to eBPF/XDP :)
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14:07<scorpion2185[m]>why do I have to enter the passwd twice ? I have 3 partitionts same passwd
14:08<sussudio>!why
14:08<dpkg>Because!
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14:12<cratuki>Debian 11, t14 thinkpad. Suspend+resume issue.
14:12<cratuki>* System seems to suspend. But when I open the laptop, it shuts down.
14:12<cratuki>* Can't see any clear source of behaviour in /var/log/messages
14:12<cratuki>* Have set BIOS to S3 power management mode
14:12<cratuki>* Have put mem_sleep_default=deep into grub options
14:12<cratuki>* /sys/power/mem_sleep still shows "s2idle [deep]"
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14:13<thecheebo>Hi, is there a channel for contributing to Debian?
14:13<sussudio>...
14:13<sussudio>!mentors
14:13<dpkg>mentors is probably the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net).
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14:15<scorpion2185[m]>!because
14:15<dpkg>Why?
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14:16<scorpion2185[m]>I have to enter the passwd twice,I have 3 partitionts same passwd
14:17<sussudio>yes, you already said this.
14:17<scorpion2185[m]>!really
14:17<dpkg>yes, scorpion2185[m]
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14:30<ham5urg>Is ntpd a good choice if no clients will access but for localtime-synchroniyation only.
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14:31<jkc>Why not just use the built-in ntp client?
14:31<jkc>timedatectl set-ntp on
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14:35<colo>(that is only simple ntp/sntp, though. but that still is VERY much fine for most hosts!)
14:35<jkc>Sure, but I think that's the goal here. End-host time sync.
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15:16<ydbi>hypothetically speaking, if a company wanted to maintain some a package of its software in debian, with the limitation that it could only ever be in sid, testing, or stable-backports, and never in stable, would such an offer be outright refused?
15:18<sney>if a package isn't eligible for stable then it also can't be in testing
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15:19<ydbi>so that's the limitation of debian policy then?
15:21<crawler>I guess it depends how you are going to propose the purpose of that life cycle
15:21<sney>the purpose of debian testing is to build the next stable release, so by definition anything that is in testing has to be qualified for stable. see #817954 for a similar situation with non-esr firefox
15:21<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/817954 in src:firefox (open): «Keep Firefox out of Debian releases»; severity: serious; opened: 2016-03-12; last modified: 2020-06-14.
15:21<bremner>ydbi: what you do in your own repo is up to you, of course
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15:24<ydbi>https://fasttrack.debian.net/ is a thing? I thought it died years ago.
15:25<ydbi>it was linked from that bug page
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15:32<bremner>ydbi: it is kindof unofficial, so you probably need to contact the people running it
15:32<ydbi>I just spotted the .net
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15:39<crawler>Is there an on screen corsshair tool in debian?
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15:51<thecheebo>!mentors
15:51<dpkg>mentors is, like, the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net).
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15:58<jkc>ydbi: You might check out external build services that can manage Debian package repos. I use the OpenSUSE Build Service for my personal debian packages, for instance.
15:58<jkc>(Yes, it's an OpenSUSE service, but it will natively build debian packages and present them as a repository.)
16:00<ydbi>jkc: it was more about having the package easily available in debian, without having to ask the user to setup external repositories
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16:04<crawler>that use has to enable sid repos, right?
16:05<jkc>crawler: ?
16:07<crawler>I am asking if a user would like to install a package from sid (as suggested by ydbi), then that user has to enable sid repository in apt sources list, am I correct?
16:07<jkc>Do not mix repos.
16:07<jkc>Even manually, don't.
16:07<jkc>Try a simple sid backport.
16:07<ydbi>crawler: if the package made it to stable-backports, then most users already have that one (according to an informal poll)
16:08<crawler>thanks
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16:20<crawler>,v screenruler
16:20<judd>Package: screenruler on amd64 -- stretch: 0.960+bzr41-1.2; bookworm: 0.960+bzr41+deb10-4; bullseye: 0.960+bzr41+deb10-4; sid: 0.960+bzr41+deb10-4
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16:20<crawler>but not buster lol
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16:31<qohfyrvsknxm>Hello! I downloaded the official Debian 11.0 ISO image with firmware nonfree and installed it on a laptop that does not have an APU, but has an Nvidia GTX 1660 Ti. After installing the system, I started installing the proprietary driver from the repository using this instruction:
16:31<qohfyrvsknxm>apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's/[^-]*-[^-]*-//')
16:31<qohfyrvsknxm>apt install nvidia-driver firmware-misc-nonfree
16:31<qohfyrvsknxm>reboot now
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16:32<crawler>!paste
16:32<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>.
16:33<qohfyrvsknxm>oh, I'm sorry, got it!
16:35<crawler>so after reboot, did the firmware work?
16:37<qohfyrvsknxm>how can I check this?
16:37<crawler>I am not sure, is your display working as expected?
16:38<qohfyrvsknxm>well, the display works as it worked before, that is, the brightness is 100% all the time and does not change
16:40<crawler>When I had a Dell laptop with NVidia GPU, I read this wiki https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
16:40<crawler>Maybe you shall see the light too
16:41<Sqrt{not}>qohfyrvsknxm, we did not see all of your original multi-line paste here, it kicked you after "reboot now". Was there more that you tried to tell us in that too-long message?
16:42<qohfyrvsknxm>please excuse me, this is my first time using irc
16:44<Sqrt{not}>it is totally OK, but please tell us more, either in a pastebin, or in a line or 2 direct here.
16:45<qohfyrvsknxm>ok, from now on I will write in pastebin
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16:46<crawler>qohfyrvsknxm the question is did you want to say any further info after "reboot now" statement?
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16:50<qohfyrvsknxm>no, I just repeated the guide, it said that you need to reboot after installation, here is a link to pastebin to make it easier to read: https://pastebin.com/F2Jx2wCF
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16:53<Sqrt{not}>qohfyrvsknxm, are you sure you are actually using Xorg on this install. What Desktop or graphical environment did you install? It might be wayland instead of X?
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16:54<qohfyrvsknxm>I use Gnome 3.38 with Xorg
16:55<Sqrt{not}>did you manually select Xorg when you logged in?
16:56<Sqrt{not}>recent gnome installs default to wayland, i am pretty sure
16:56<qohfyrvsknxm>I didn't choose anything, isn't Xorg selected by default in Gnome?
16:57<qohfyrvsknxm>Ohh, I didn't know that
16:57<Sqrt{not}>qohfyrvsknxm, when you are about to enter your password to login, there should be a little gear icon by the password box. click that for options
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16:59<huskedd>hi
16:59<qohfyrvsknxm>I chose Xorg, but the brightness still does not change
17:00<qohfyrvsknxm>Xorg - System X11 Default
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17:06<partnear>why doesnt this channel comes up on the channel list?
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17:10<partnear>don't you find it funny that debian11 came out nearly at the same time as windows11?
17:11<partnear>is MS ghosting debian or what?
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17:39<argjadfg>hi
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17:42<argjadfg>does somebody use evolution here?
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17:48<argjadfg>hello?
17:48<raven523>argjadfg: I'm here but I don't use evolution
17:48<crawler>argjadfg just ask your question
17:48<argjadfg>ahh damn, somehow it won't sync in the background :/
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19:14<tuxd3v>hello guys,
19:14<tuxd3v>is there any way of listing all units running, in a tree like
19:14<tuxd3v>imagine pstree something like that?
19:14<tuxd3v>thnks
19:15<sney>'systemctl' run with no arguments shows all running units, I don't know if there's a tree mode
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19:29<dabor>systemctl list-units --all
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19:32<crawler>systemctl status will show the tree
19:32<crawler>if you would like to export that tree to a file then
19:32<crawler>systemctl status --no-page | tee -a tree.txt
19:33<crawler>systemctl status --no-pager | tee -a tree.txt
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20:59<debiannoob2>Hey, how would I disable the motd when I ssh into it? it
20:59<debiannoob2>it's already configured to no
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21:00<sirmanuel>Hello guys, Who anyone help me with this: unknown enocder acc when I try to use ffmpeg with this code
21:01<sirmanuel>ffmpeg -i inputi.mp4 -vcodec libx264 -acodec acc videoout.mp4
21:02<sney>you are probably thinking of aac
21:02<sirmanuel>?
21:02<sirmanuel>yes
21:02<sirmanuel>acc
21:02<sney>anyway if you run ffmpeg -encoders you can see what it supports and what the names are
21:03<sney>aac, advanced audio coding. a a c
21:03<LeLutin>debiannoob2: I'm not exactly certain that's the only part, but if your sshd is configued to use PAM, then there's something in /etc/pam.d/sshd that tells it to show the motd
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21:04<sirmanuel>sney ok thnakyou, HOw can I do to ffmpeg take acc? when I play video that contain this code they sounds normally in Vlc
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21:05<sney>sirmanuel: there is no acc codec. if you aren't spelling aac wrong, maybe you want ac3?
21:06<sirmanuel>https://termbin.com/10rf look
21:06<sney> A..... aac AAC (Advanced Audio Coding)
21:06<sney>if you spell it wrong, ffmpeg will not know what you mean.
21:07<sirmanuel>YOu're right man xD How dum I am
21:07<sirmanuel>thnak you
21:08<debiannoob2>LeLutin huh so the PrintMotd in sshd_config doesn't do anything?
21:09<debiannoob2>LeLutin thanks, you were right :)
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23:36<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
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23:51<ghostnik11>hi i keep booting to a system where i don't have X? so basically a black screen?
23:52<sussudio>does it have a login prompt
23:52<tuxd3v>sney, crawler , thanks
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23:54<tuxd3v>systemctl status, shows only the user.slice unit and below it, and only services, no other units, it doesn´t show everything in a tree
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23:56<ghostnik11>sussudio, yeah i get login with username and pw but when i put them in. then all i have is black screen almost like i stuck in terminal. and when i try to move the mouse you don't see anything just terminal like look with black
23:57<ghostnik11>i just want to know what i can do, to be able to get back GUI?
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23:58<sussudio>ghostnik11: sounds like you should check some logs for messages. also, ctrl-alt-f1 gets you back to console, ctrl-alt-f7 to X.
23:59<ghostnik11>sussudio, yeah i will try and boot in. i will look up commands that can show me logs but i won't be able to copy and paste them b/c the system i am trying to get in is basically broken
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