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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-08-29

---Logopened Sun Aug 29 00:00:14 2021
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00:00<Sqrt{not}>ghostnik11, if you have a text terminal, you can do many many things to debug or fix your problem.
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00:02<ghostnik11>Sqrt{not}, okay i will try, i will look up first commands from logs, then from there i can put that in search and see how to fix/debug the system
00:03<Sqrt{not}>ghostnik11, you can also talk to us here in this channel
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00:04<ghostnik11>Sqrt{not}, okay. i will try first and only bug y'all when i have more questions
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00:27<ghostnik11>so from what i am seeing, it seems like my problem is that my kernel is broken.
00:27<ghostnik11>but that might have to do with why i can't get x to work
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01:06<debiannoob2>how would I go about changing the name of my ethernet device? since bullseye every second or third reboot changes my name from enp2s0 to enp3s0 and after reboot back to enp2s0 :/ still sucks as I don't have any connectivity while it's on enp3s0
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01:40<tjcarter>ah debiannoob2 didn't hang around
01:40<tjcarter>Let's see what dpkg has on that…
01:40<tjcarter>!udev
01:40<dpkg>udev is a /dev and hotplug management daemon, the Linux kernel's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>. Ask me about <udev mac>, <blacklist.conf>. See also <udev rules>, <udev squeeze>, <udev details>, <dpin>, <devtmpfs>. http://wiki.debian.org/udev #systemd on irc.libera.chat.
01:41<tjcarter>!udev rules
01:41<dpkg>somebody said udev rules was http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html
01:44<tjcarter>!udev nic
01:44<tjcarter>!udev ethernet
01:44<tjcarter>no? Hmm… Let's see what we can set one of those to.
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01:45*tjcarter tries to remember what file defines the names of these things.
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01:48<tjcarter>used to be 70-persistent-net.rules I think, but it's not anymore.
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02:00<tjcarter>well, it appears that, as usual, anything Red Hat does is documented and discussed behind a paywall so I have no flippin' idea, so I can't set where ethernet devices get their udev names from anymore, so I can't write a factoid for were to look before writing something else, if desired.
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03:21<qohfyrvsknxm>Sqrt{not}: hello!
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04:36<grawity>en* names come from a default rule that invokes udev's net_setup_link builtin -- this can be configured through systemd.link(5) files
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04:39<grawity>though if you add a custom udev rule that just directly sets NAME= (like how it was done pre-systemd), that should still be honored as well, as long as it goes before 80-*
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06:13<qohfyrvsknxm>Hello, please help me, thanks! https://pastebin.com/F2Jx2wCF
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08:01<qohfyrvsknxm>Guys, does anyone know how to fix this? https://pastebin.com/F2Jx2wCF
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08:05<tjcarter>qohfyrvsknxm: My best guess leads me to this page … https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=106078
08:06<tjcarter>That looks like what you did more or less
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08:12<qohfyrvsknxm>tjcarter: unfortunately, it's doesn't work
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08:13<qohfyrvsknxm>I have only one question, why does this not work only on Debian, but on other distributions like Arch/Manjaro works?
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08:16<qohfyrvsknxm>I tried to upgrade the kernel to RT version, but it didn't boot (system-d is full of errors and at the end there is a black screen)
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08:17<qohfyrvsknxm>I don't know what to do now, I tried everything I found, but it DOESN't work :-(
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10:15<Izty_>Hello, I use ext4 partitions with LVM. I've read that ZFS is efficient on data corruption. Would it make sense to use ZFS inside LVM?
10:15<Izty_>If so, can I convert ext4 to zfs in place? Or do I need to format?
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10:24<scorpion2185[m]>I have 3 partitions with the same paswd, why does it ask it twice at boot?
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10:28<olasd>Izty_: zfs has its own volume management features (as well as raid-like features). you wouldn't generally use a volume manager under zfs, rather feeding it full drives. the main exceptions to that are: having the root fs on zfs (where you need a separate, stripped down boot pool which only uses features that grub supports), and disk encryption (where one may want to set up zfs on top
10:28<olasd>of a cryptsetup-ed partition)
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10:29<olasd>Izty_: either way you can't do ext4 -> zfs in place, so you'd need to backup your data, and re-format before restoring
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10:30<Izty_>olasd: I'll just stay with LVM + ext4 then
10:30<Izty_>olasd: Are there some data corruption prevention features in LVM?
10:33<olasd>Izty_: not that I know of. there's dm-integrity, which is a device-mapper target with additional block-level checksumming https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/device-mapper/dm-integrity.html
10:33<crawler>As far as I know there are none, I am not 100% sure. 5 years ago I searched the Internet about LVM and from what I read it has none. I saw posts suggesting to use LVM on top of parity RAID to minimize data corruption
10:33<olasd>you'd probably want to layer that under lvm
10:33<olasd>(so you can avoid corruption of your lvm metadata)
10:34<olasd>not sure how much (if at all) that's integrated with Debian, though
10:35<crawler>Izty_ what type of "corruption" are you avoiding?
10:35<jkc>Izty_: ext4 already has mechanisms to assist with bitrot concerns.
10:37<Izty_>crawler: I was thinking about corruption caused by my hard drives wearing out. As I understand, it will wear out, causing errors
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10:37<Izty_>jkc: Oh, I didn't know that!
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10:39<crawler>RAID would help you with that.
10:41<Izty_>crawler: Can I set up RAID on an existing partition or do I need to format?
10:41<Izty_>And, if I go for a RAID mechanism, can I just plug a new drive and do a cron job that uses rsync to backup once a day. Would it make sense?
10:42<Izty_>wouldn't it be easier to setup and easier to recover?
10:43<crawler>RAID is way to use several drives as a single storage unit, and it can be configured to sustain one or more drives failure
10:43<crawler>i.e. if you are going to use RAID, then you need to use several drives
10:44<crawler>About the rsync backup, well it is a must thing to do regardless of what mechanism you use
10:44<crawler>RAID is not a backup, RAID is avoid down time until you replace the faulty drive
10:44<crawler>is to avoid*
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10:57<refried_consult>just to check that my sources are all correct: Have there been any package updates, security or otherwise since bullseye release?
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11:00<g00se>Got a slightly embarrassing problem ;) "Aug 29 09:15:01 t410 CRON[3237]: (goose) CMD (/usr/local/bin/downmeg >>~/download-speed.log 2>/dev/null)
11:00<g00se>" Can't for the life of me find what's putting that entry into syslog
11:00<bremner>refried_consult: you can find recent security advisories on security.debian.org
11:01<bremner>so, probably yes?
11:03<bremner>g00se: you tried the obvious crontab -e ?
11:03<g00se>Yes. First thing i did
11:03<bremner>there are various cron related directories in /etc, looked there?
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11:04<g00se>For both me and root.
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11:04<g00se>Grepped all /etc
11:04<cc>grep -ri downmeg /etc
11:05<g00se>NOthing :(
11:05<cc>systemctl list-timers
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11:06<g00se>Ah
11:06<bremner>well, it says CRON, but *shrug*, maybe
11:07<g00se>No timers
11:07<cc>not sure at this point
11:08<cc>grep -ri downmeg /usr
11:08<cc>or something along these lines
11:08<cc>also /var
11:08<g00se>I'll try it. It's definitely saying CRON so i don't know how that could be 'hiding'
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11:10<Sqrt{not}>g00se, when you did your "crontab -e", did you do this as your user goose, or as root?
11:10<g00se>Both
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11:16<Izty_>crawler: Ok ok I see. Thanks
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11:20<crawler>g00se tried to grep in goose home?
11:20<crawler>~/.dirs
11:20<Sqrt{not}>g00se, TFM also suggests looking in /var/spool/cron/
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11:27<g00se>Actually YES. /var/spool/cron/crontabs/goose
11:28<g00se>That's puzzled me. I don't know of that
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11:30<qohfyrvsknxm>hello, please help me, thanks! https://pastebin.com/F2Jx2wCF
11:30<g00se>Don't know how that came about since iirc i've never done anything other than crontab -e
11:35<g00se>Thanks folks. Thought I'd get there in the end with yr help
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11:36<Sqrt{not}>qohfyrvsknxm, Are you sure you are running on xorg, and not wayland? Can you paste the output of: dmesg | grep -i firmware
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11:42<refried_consult>So looking at debian.org/security, it seems like there have been advisories since bullseye release. But my apt update has been telling me my system is all up to date since then. So something is up
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11:46<refried_consult>i have the lines for /debian-security bullseye-security main in my file, there is no error being displayed by aapt for it (like a missing Release file )
11:49<bremner>refried_consult: did you check "apt policy $package" for some updated package?>
11:49<crawler>are you sure that the published advisories are related to any of your system installed packages?
11:50<bremner>good point.
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11:54<refried_consult>I just checked in synaptic and yes, the version numbers of mentioned packages are to old
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11:58<bremner>!bat
11:58<dpkg>[Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
11:58<bremner>let's start from ground zero ^
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12:04<refried_consult>apt policy openssl -- openssl: Installed: 1.1.1k-1 Candidate: 1.1.1k-1 Version table:
12:04<refried_consult> 1.1.1k-1+deb11u1 500
12:04<refried_consult> 500 tor+https://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security/main amd64 Packages
12:04<refried_consult> *** 1.1.1k-1 990
12:04<refried_consult> 990 tor+https://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye/main amd64 Packages
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12:05<refried_consult>sorry for that. hadnt realised return would send a new message
12:05<Sqrt{not}>use a pastebin
12:06<refried_consult>so apt policy list the newer package versions in the version table but they dont get installed
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12:09<refried_consult>990 means the packages from main are preferred over those at 500 from security doesnt it?
12:09<refried_consult>how did that happen
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12:11<grove>As long as the preferences are below 1000 (and positive), a higher version number (which packages from security should have) is more important
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12:15<grove>They might have gotten a priority of 990 because you have set default release (I don't remeber the syntax for doing that, as long as you run a simple system with Stable, I don't see the need)
12:17<refried_consult>yeah commenting out the main repo makes apt fetch the updated package. I never intentionally changed these priorities, not sure in which file they would be listed
12:17<bremner>I think where to look was listed above
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12:33<Izty_>Hello, I just did `sudo lvextend -L 1T /dev/mvg/Partage`. Partage is ext4 and was 400g before. I have just remounted and `lsblk` says 1,00t so it looks good but I'm wondering if I should have done something to the filesystem to tell it the partition just got extended
12:34<Izty_>`df` doesn't seem to display the new size
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12:35<tepozoa>yes, you do
12:35<fernie>fsck, resize2fs
12:36<jkc>You could have also passed -r to lvextend.
12:36<Izty_>jkc: I'll know it for next time!
12:38<qohfyrvsknxm>Sqrt{not}: of course: https://imgur.com/a/hkoGp6u
12:38<Izty_>fernie: `e2fsck -f /dev/mvg/Partage` then `resize2fs /dev/mvg/Partage`?
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12:40<qohfyrvsknxm>Sqrt{not}: can we solve this problem together today? since I need a working laptop for tomorrow 😌
12:40<fernie>yeah that should do the job
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12:42<snowyfox>Random question, but..
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12:42<snowyfox>does anyone here play FreeCiv?
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12:44<Izty_>fernie: e2fsck says 9% non contiguous. Should I do something about it?
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12:45<somiaj>Izty_: is your drive close to full?
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12:47<Izty_>somiaj: It had 180 GB left out of 2.8 TB before extending
12:48<somiaj>that should be fine, ususally ext file systems are kinda self cleaning and don't get that fragmented, unless the drive fills up
12:50<fernie>usually i just use fsck with -f -y to answer yes to everyhing when extending, its fiine
12:50<Izty_>somiaj: Does it mean it will clean itself on its own now that I extended it? It has 2.6 TB free now
12:52<somiaj>In theory it should under normal use move things around since you have more space to reduce fragmentation.
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12:53<somiaj>If you are worried about it, you can (a) make a backup, which is always good to have, format the filesystem (create it fresh) and then copy the data back, the coppying back will remove fragementation. There is also e4dfrag you can look into if you really need
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12:58<Izty_>Ok I'll look up e4defrag :)
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12:59<somiaj>Izty_: also what % of the filesystem do you have reserved?
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13:03<Izty_>somiaj: I don't know what it means to reserve a filesystem. I'll look it up
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13:04<somiaj>Izty_: also I do see a comment that e4defrag may not work that well, as it doesnt mess with freee space, so it may not be the best approach, the backup/copy is the best
13:04<somiaj>Izty_: ext filesystems have a % of reserved space, by defaut 5%, on very large file systems people often turn this down thinking they don't need it. But that reserved space is useful when your filesystem starts to fill up for fragmatation
13:05<somiaj>so I thought it might have been something you turned down since your file system is so large
13:05<Izty_>Ok I see
13:05<Izty_>It must be 5% then :)
13:07<Izty_>Well e4degrag says "Fragmentation score 0"
13:07<Izty_>It lists 5 files
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13:08<Izty_>Maybe I can just move them around and they won't be fragmented anymore
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13:08<Izty_>I'll probably just don't touch anything though. Just asking out of curiosity
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13:14<somiaj>Others might know more, I just know ext is supose to help defrag as you use files, but this is in theory and some setups not the best
13:15<somiaj>also if your freespace gets fragemented that can make it hard
13:15<somiaj>look at e2freefrag
13:15<jkc>ext4 doesn't do any defragmentation. It does extent-based allocation, which is a preventative measure.
13:15<somiaj>though fragemetation isn't the end of things, it can just slow things down.
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13:16<somiaj>so depending on what you are using this filesystem for, it may not be the biggest issue in the long run
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13:50<scorpion2185[m]>I have 3 partitions with the same paswd, why does it ask it twice at boot?
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14:13<scorpion2185[m]>Did I missed somthing maybe? Old pc with extended partitions
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14:19<Izty_>Is there a livecd image that I could use to ssh into my server when I won't boot?
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14:22<tepozoa>Izty: my go-to is System Rescue CD
14:23<tepozoa>swiss army knife of rescue things, has everything you need on the ISO (it's not Debian based, not suitable for an attempt at that specific task)
14:25<sney>grml is a good one that *is* debian-based. but if all you need is a ssh client then anything will work
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14:40<tepozoa>cool! downloading it now :) always handy to have more tools in the toolbox
14:42<tepozoa>(now I need a way to have two bootable rescues on one USB thumb drive, hmmm)
14:43<sussudio>tepozoa: i think ultimate boot cd will let you add multiple images to boot from
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14:47<Sepultura>Hola
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14:52<tepozoa>https://github.com/IsaacSchemm/MultiCD this looks promising, seems to have plugin support for grml and srcd already, I like that it's just some bash
14:52*tepozoa has a new toy to play with
14:52<Sqrt{not}>qohfyrvsknxm, You will need to engage more here, and it will take more than just myself to understand and maybe help with your problem. In your firmware paste, I don't see anything about nvidia. I thought you were assuming you have some kind of missing support for your nvidia card?
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14:54<Sqrt{not}>qohfyrvsknxm, what debian image did you start with? What did you download and install? What is this laptop, what model, what company?
14:55<Sqrt{not}>qohfyrvsknxm, Your complaint is that it boots into a text terminal, not into some kind of graphics, is that right?
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14:57<qohfyrvsknxm>Sqrt{not}: I complain that I can't adjust the brightness of the screen
14:57<qohfyrvsknxm>Sqrt{not}: Lenovo Legion Y540 | CPU: i5 9300HF | GPU: GTX 1660 Ti
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14:58<Sqrt{not}>qohfyrvsknxm, so does it have a graphical environment, or do you just use it in text mode?
14:58<qohfyrvsknxm>Sqrt{not}: I use Gnome 3.38
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14:59<qohfyrvsknxm>*I'm using
14:59<Sqrt{not}>Good. so does gnome work OK except for the brightness?
14:59<at0m>,info redshift
14:59<judd>Package redshift (x11, optional) in bullseye/amd64: Adjusts the color temperature of your screen. Version: 1.12-4.2; Size: 110.5k; Installed: 603k; Homepage: http://jonls.dk/redshift/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/redshift
15:00<qohfyrvsknxm>Sqrt{not}: yeah, everything works fine
15:00<at0m>does color, but also brightness, and has tray package, too
15:00<Sqrt{not}>qohfyrvsknxm, I think I saw you posted some snippet of Xorg configuration. Are you sure you are running xorg there? gnome defaults to wayland these days.
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15:01<cpo>Hi, I have a question about Debian and Kernel modules - especially networking. Which part is responsible that after loading a driver, ethtool enables e.g. GRO, GSO and LRO offloading?
15:01<Sqrt{not}>qohfyrvsknxm, see what at0m wrote ^^ maybe that helps?
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15:02<qohfyrvsknxm>Sqrt{not}: of course, I choose System X11 Default in GDM3
15:03<Sqrt{not}>OK, good
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15:06<qohfyrvsknxm>Sqrt{not}: here are the photos: https://imgur.com/a/7moFSuX
15:06<tepozoa>cpo: /usually/ the fundamentals are within the specific kernel module as it knows the capability of the specific NIC, or if it's a common type NIC (i.e. a parent wrapper for all of one chipset) it might be in that parent code
15:09<qohfyrvsknxm>at0m: hello! can you help me with something?
15:10<trench>bind916/4
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15:13<A|an>If one is going to have a /boot partition, how big should it be?
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15:16<Sqrt{not}>A|an, ballpark, approx 20MB per active bootable image.
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15:17<at0m>qohfyrvsknxm: ?
15:17<sney>that's assuming modules=dep rather than modules=most. initrd size can vary with that option. I'd say a safe separate /boot is 500M, bigger if you're ever going to play with custom kernels
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15:18<at0m>A|an: i'd made sure it can take 2 kernels. yea 500M like sney says be good
15:18<tepozoa>A|an: most installers of Linux distros default to a 1G /boot these days - that's enough to store 3 kernels, 3 initrds and a bunch of backups of things if you need it (your specifics may vary, could go 512M and be fine - I choose to play it very safe and use 1G)
15:19<A|an>thx
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15:26<Sqrt{not}>qohfyrvsknxm, just a random thought, but does your ...outputclass.conf file have read permissions for users other than yourself?
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15:27<Sqrt{not}>qohfyrvsknxm, did you look at what at0m wrote about "redshift" ?
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15:31<qohfyrvsknxm>Sqrt{not}: atom - yes, I see, but I don't understand. does this affect the efficiency of the configuration file? well, I mean, I'm already sitting from a user under the name "user"
15:32<crawler>qohfyrvsknxm Did you try the redshift package?
15:33<qohfyrvsknxm>crawler: no
15:33<crawler>at0m was hinting you about package called redshift that might do what you want
15:33<crawler>he said "<at0m> does color, but also brightness, and has tray package, too"
15:33<at0m>:59:43 < at0m> ,info redshift
15:34<crawler>ouch there is an extra space before your nickname
15:34<crawler>>:\
15:34<at0m>crawler: no, it's after the < lol
15:34<qohfyrvsknxm>I know that this program is used to programmatically reduce the brightness of the display, but this does not solve my problem, I want to reduce the brightness of the display by hardware
15:35<at0m>qohfyrvsknxm: depends. redshift uses different methods.
15:35<at0m>it tries in hw, if that fails, it uses software
15:35<crawler>qohfyrvsknxm by "hardware" you mean keyboard manufacturer hotkeys?
15:35<mooff>you'd need a kernel driver for that.. or a program that can talk to it over e.g. USB
15:35<crawler>like Fn+Up ?
15:35<mooff>usually hardware brightness is exposed in /sys/class/backlight automatically if supported by the kernel
15:36<Izty>tepozoa: Sorry for the delay, does System Rescue CD have an ssh server running by default? I'd like to plug it, boot the server and then connect
15:36<at0m>yay, cat /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness
15:37<at0m>i guess once can echo to that to set brightness via hw
15:37<qohfyrvsknxm>So, I do not know why this is happening with Debian, while everything is fine with Arch-like distributions. . .
15:37<at0m>yup, that works here
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15:38<at0m>echo 3200 > /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness darkened my display
15:38<mooff>qohfyrvsknxm: what display backlight are you trying to control?
15:39<mooff>at0m: check the min_brightness, max_brightness files for the value range
15:39<at0m>mooff: thanks
15:39<qohfyrvsknxm>mooff: https://imgur.com/a/7moFSuX
15:40<crawler>mooff he/she is trying to control display brightness of a laptop that has a NVIDIA GPU
15:41<qohfyrvsknxm>mooff: I just want to reduce the screen brightness at the DE level
15:41<raven523>if it's a laptop with nvidia optimus, then the integrated intel GPU drives the laptop display
15:42<Izty>tepozoa: Got my answer https://www.system-rescue.org/manual/Managing_remote_servers_using_SystemRescueCd/ :)
15:42<crawler>That's his problem description https://pastebin.com/F2Jx2wCF
15:42<qohfyrvsknxm>raven523: nope, I have 9300HF
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15:45<tepozoa>Izty: nice! well on your way to building your personal toolchest of go-to tools and solutions
15:46<mooff>my guess would be the xorg conf file isn't being picked up, qohfyrvsknxm
15:46<mooff>handy, crawler!
15:48<qohfyrvsknxm>mooff: ok, what should I do?
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15:48<tepozoa>my only comment (I have no clue at all about this problem) is the editing of /usr/share files instead of /etc - "are we sure that editing that /usr/share file is the right way on Debian?" /ush/share/X11/xorg.conf. d/20-nvidia-drm-outputclass.conf
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15:48<tepozoa>that file should be somewhere in /etc, you ask me
15:48<sney>X will source configurations from both locations
15:48<tepozoa>yet here we are
15:49<sney>but if you edit files in /usr they will be silently overwritten next time the package is upgraded
15:49<tuxd3v>hello guys, I need help
15:49<usrdev>on Debian 11, curious, how/why this is happening which results in a delay logging in. Failed to activate service 'org.freedesktop.login1': timed out (service_start_timeout=25000ms)
15:49<tuxd3v>I need to make debian honor my usev rule..
15:49<tuxd3v>does I need to setup any special type of systemd unit to run my udev rules?
15:50<raven523>tuxd3v: no, but if you haven't rebooted, you need to run udevadm trigger. Where did you save your rules?
15:50<tepozoa>no - systemd-udevd takes care of that, you just put your rules in /etc/udev/rules.d/ and trigger a reload
15:51<mooff>qohfyrvsknxm, you aren't running an nvidia legacy driver, are you?
15:51<tuxd3v>raven523, I saved my rule here: /etc/udev/rules.d/10-zram.rules
15:52<mooff>and can you check if you have any directories showing under /sys/class/backlight ?
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15:52<qohfyrvsknxm>mooff: I use the package nvidia-driver v460
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15:55<mooff>qohfyrvsknxm: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=987830
15:55<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/987830 in nvidia-driver (open): «nvidia-driver: I can’t change brightness in my laptop, I changed xorg.conf and grub. Legion y540, GTX 1660 Ti.»; severity: normal; opened: 2021-04-30; last modified: 2021-04-30.
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15:57<tuxd3v>raven523, I am running this on my udev rule: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/48d9a1ee/
15:58<raven523>tuxd3v: do the zram devices already exist?
15:58<qohfyrvsknxm>judd: jeez, I thought my hands were crooked... thanks!
15:58<tuxd3v>no the rule create them
15:59<tuxd3v>is there any systemd unit that represents it?
15:59<tuxd3v>I mean like in the fstab case it create mount units for what you have there
16:00<raven523>tuxd3v: it doesn't look like this rule creates them. I'm reading it as "when zram[1-3] in the block subsystem with no driver are added with initstate 0, set comp_algorithm to lz4, set disksize to 512M, and run mkswap"
16:00<raven523>you probably want to remove DRIVER==""
16:01<raven523>I'm not sure how to create the nodes with udev, but it should be possible
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16:01<tuxd3v>my problem I believe is related with the fact that I have in /etc/modules:zram num_devices=4
16:01<tuxd3v>but lsmod doesn´ t show me the zram module loaded :(
16:02<raven523>try loading the zram module with modprobe
16:02<raven523>you might need to add zram to a conf file in /etc/modules-load.d/
16:02<tuxd3v>if I load it by hand like 'modprobe zram num_devices=4', the udevrule works
16:03<tuxd3v>but I don´ t understand why /etc/modules doesn´t load the zram module :(
16:03<tuxd3v>could it be related with systemd?
16:04<raven523>try /etc/modules-load.d
16:04<mooff>qohfyrvsknxm: got a new thing to try..
16:04<raven523>you also need to set the options in /etc/modprobe.d
16:04<mooff>qohfyrvsknxm: try running `Xorg -configure`. it should create ~/xorg.conf.new
16:04<raven523>I think /etc/modules should still work, but I usually use modules-load.d and modprobe.d with systemd systems
16:05<qohfyrvsknxm>mooff: ok
16:05<mooff>check the Section "Device" in that file.. for me, the Identifier is "Card0", and the driver is "nvidia"
16:05<mooff>whatever your values are.. try setting those in your /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ file
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16:07<tuxd3v>raven523, what´ s tyhe diference between /etc/modules and /etc/modprobe.d or /etc/modules-load.d
16:07<tuxd3v>they should have a relation..
16:08<qohfyrvsknxm>mooff: I get an error: https://imgur.com/a/cSQm9IN
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16:09<mooff>qohfyrvsknxm: i got that too (apparently it's meant to be run when X is not running), but still got the ~/xorg.conf.new file
16:09<raven523>tuxd3v: /etc/modules predates systemd, but it ussed to list the modules that you wanted to load at boot. /etc/modprobe.d sets options for modules, and it also sets aliases and blacklists modules. /etc/modules-load.d/ tells systemd-modules-load what modules to load at boot
16:09<mooff>qohfyrvsknxm: check /root/xorg.conf.new per the screenshot
16:10<tuxd3v>raven523, ho.. so /etc/modules-load.d should be system related..
16:10<tuxd3v>many thanks
16:12<qohfyrvsknxm>mooff: https://imgur.com/a/E28x2hG
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16:17<tuxd3v>systemd-modules-load.service is an early boot service that loads kernel modules based on static configuration.
16:17<mooff>qohfyrvsknxm: uninstall nouveau, that's what's being used instead of nvidia-driver
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16:17<tuxd3v>what means loading modules in a static configuration manner?
16:18<raven523>static configuration means that it's always the same regardless of the system's state
16:18<tuxd3v>they are not installed?
16:19<raven523>udev does load modules automatically that aren't in modules-load.d if it can recognize the devices, but that doesn't work for purely virtual devices like zram
16:19<qohfyrvsknxm>mooff: lol, the debian wiki says that after installing nvidia-driver, it is automatically added to the blacklist :)
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16:30<qohfyrvsknxm>mooff: i wrote "apt purge *nouveau*" and after rebooting, I get a black screen, I could not start gnome :(
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16:31<mooff>qohfyrvsknxm: another recently found that wasn't the case, re: automatically blacklisting nouveau
16:32<mooff>qohfyrvsknxm: do you get a text console? can you login with it? :)
16:32<mooff>can you switch to one with e.g. Ctrl+Alt+F3 ?
16:32<qohfyrvsknxm>mooff: yes
16:33<mooff>alright
16:33<mooff>if you login, what happens when you `sudo apt install nvidia-driver` ?
16:37<tuxd3v>ok I created the /etc/modules-load.d file with 'zram num_devices=4'
16:37<qohfyrvsknxm>mooff: I have successfully installed the package
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16:38<tuxd3v>raven523, and now I already see the swap units, but they are in memory only
16:38<tuxd3v>https://paste.debian.net/hidden/739382c6/
16:38<mooff>sweet, hopefully works after reboot
16:39<tuxd3v>https://paste.debian.net/hidden/82c36000/
16:39<raven523>this looks right to me
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16:40<tuxd3v>for what I understand a static type unit is something that does not have [Install] section am I wrong?
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16:41<raven523>I think so, but it looks like it did load and activate these units
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16:42<raven523>a static unit could also be one that doesn't have an actual unit file
16:42<qohfyrvsknxm>mooff: nope, after rebooting, I get back to the console :-(
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16:42<mooff>qohfyrvsknxm: i think the `apt purge` removed half, most, or all of xorg
16:43<mooff>to be honest, i don't know how it figures out to remove. i always triple check what it wants to do.. half the time, it wants to remove the world
16:43<mooff>mostly, i stopped using it :/
16:43<qohfyrvsknxm>do I need to reinstall xorg?
16:43<qohfyrvsknxm>ok :)
16:44<mooff>try this: `sudo apt install task-gnome-desktop`
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16:50<qohfyrvsknxm>mooff: great, gnome has booted up successfully! but again the brightness control does not work :(
16:50<spiritsoul>hi
16:50<qohfyrvsknxm>spiritsoul: hello!
16:51<spiritsoul>en know wget gui
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16:52<mooff>qohfyrvsknxm: the purge might have gotten rid of /usr/share/X11/* ...
16:52<tuxd3v>raven523, ho, yeah thanks, it could be generated, actually I think all units that are processing fstab or modules.load.d, etc should be of generated types
16:52<mooff>check your xorg.conf.d file is still there :-)
16:52<tuxd3v>but some apear as static
16:52<tuxd3v>apper
16:52<tuxd3v>appear
16:52<spiritsoul>any multitherater downloader
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16:55<qohfyrvsknxm>mooff: "20-nivida-drm-outputclass.conf" is not touched, but I tried to generate Xorg again and I see Nouveau in the configuration again...
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16:55<mooff>tuxd3v, raven523: to set up zram, i just installed zram-tools and edited /etc/default/zramswap
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16:57<mooff>maybe you need 4 devices.. but if you don't, simplicity awaits
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17:02<tuxd3v>mooff, but can you choose the algorithm for your zram devices with zram-tools?
17:02<tuxd3v>in my case I am using lz4 which is very fast
17:02<tuxd3v>it compresses the Ram at around a ratio of 3x
17:03<mooff>yeap
17:04<tuxd3v>mooff, many thanks I didn´t knew you could configure the algorithm and such with it :)
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17:14<qohfyrvsknxm>mooff: so, " lspci -k | grep -EA3 'VGA|3D|Display' " returns > kernel use: nvidia, kernel modules: nvidia
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17:28<simonpatapon>hello, i ha a large monitor and i would like 2 virtual monitor in it so when i would maximize an app it woult fit half the screen only
17:28<simonpatapon>thank you for you time
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17:30<tristero>simonpatapon: you could use Xephyr on half your screen, but then apps started there would have to stay there
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17:33<tjcarter>simonpatapon: that is a feature of some monitors in hardware, but your WM might have a snap feature that behaves similarly to Windows 7 and above to fill half or quarter of the screen. Which desktop are you using? Cinnamon has the feature, using the same keystrokes you'd use on Windows by default. (I don't remember what they are offhand because I've changed them.)
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17:36<jmcnaught>In GNOME Windows/Super+left arrow for left half maximize, Super+Up for full maximize, Super+right for right half, Super+down for restore.
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17:47<mooff>qohfyrvsknxm: so, the bug has existed since nvidia-driver 455. try following the steps here: https://askubuntu.com/a/1348430
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17:47<mooff>it's tracked as an OEM bug here, if reading gives you any solace: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-455/+bug/1905591
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17:48<simonpatapon><jmcnaught> thank you very much!!
17:49<simonpatapon>tjcarter: gnome. ill try super + left right
17:53<tjcarter>That's likely what it was on Cinnamon at least. I use those to change workspaces.
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18:02<mooff>you can find or set them on the "Keyboard Shortcuts" pane of the Settings app in Gnome, anyhoo :)
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18:19<qohfyrvsknxm>mooff: how do I install the 450th version?
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18:25<qohfyrvsknxm>mooff: btw, thank you, well, sweet dreams :)
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20:11<PELAOP>ALGUIEN en espa;ol
20:12<sney>!es
20:12<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat. - https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/
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20:24<No1x3r0>I'm in search of an unofficial "non-free" firmware "mac" 11.0.0 amd64 netinstall iso ... so far I've only found an Official debian-mac-11.0.0-amd64-netinstall.iso
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20:26<No1x3r0>does one exist?
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20:28<dvs>No1x3r0: there's only amd64 and i386
20:29<No1x3r0>dvs, yeah thanks, I saw those, I was hoping for an unofficial non-free version that had extra proprietary drivers
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20:31<Joeron>hello
20:32<Joeron>help me how to change background on slick-greeter. I tried to change, but it's not working, nothing.
20:33<No1x3r0>nevermind the mac edition didn't seem to address my issue anyways: I'm getting firmware errors on boot https://imgur.com/a/VNDpXBH I think it's related to SIP on the mac and not blessing the boot device (weather usb install media, or the hd it's installed onto)
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20:40<No1x3r0>maybe I just need " install noapic irqpoll acpi=force " ?
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21:37<simonpatapon>hello, i try to upgrade to bullseye i u get errors with libcurl4-openssl https://paste.debian.net/1209601/
21:37<simonpatapon>thank you for time
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21:46<sney>simonpatapon: try removing libcurl4-openssl-dev, and then run apt -f install again
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21:48<simonpatapon>i used mv /usr/bin/curl-config /usr/bin/curl-config2
21:48<simonpatapon>to let him install over
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21:48<sney>alright, if everything is working you should remove that curl-config2
21:49<sney>also in the future, please paste with LC_ALL=C before your apt command, so that the errors are in english. :)
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21:50<simonpatapon>ok thx
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22:16<No1x3r0>sney you have any ideas on my errors https://imgur.com/a/VNDpXBH ?
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22:32<No1x3r0>sney: don't know if you saw, but I was asking about if you had any ideas on my errors: https://imgur.com/a/VNDpXBH
22:32<No1x3r0>dvs: you ^ ?
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22:34<sney>No1x3r0: I do not have any ideas about your errors. please don't highlight random people in here, #debian volunteers normally idle and look at pastes/images and respond if we know anything
22:35<sney>if nobody in #debian has any tips in a few hours, sometimes #linux on libera can help
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22:35<No1x3r0>sney they weren't random it was intentional
22:36<No1x3r0>sney, it's me CyberManifest
22:36<sney>so you intentionally chose to ping me twice even though I had nothing to do with your conversation earlier
22:36<sney>bye
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22:37<No1x3r0>I didn't know if the first one pinged because there was no response and I'm on webchat and it didn't have a ":" after it like when you hit tab, so I wasn't sure.
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22:38<No1x3r0>lot of folks in here, it's really kinda surprising no one has any suggestions
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