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00:00<sussudio>wasn't the first result. google makes it hard to find relevant results these days.
00:00<dan1>am I the only one who got this problem with bullseye? terminal clipboard isolated from the main one?
00:01<sussudio>dan1: find out if there's a package handling this and look at the bug reports.
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00:01<sney>I have 2 clipboards on bullseye, one is ctrl-c ctrl-v, and one is select and middle click, and sometimes I get mixed up and paste from one when I meant to paste from the other. but I'm pretty sure it's always been like that
00:01<sney>system originally installed when stretch was testing
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00:02<FH_thecat>I am trying to rebuild package "mousepad" without dbus
00:02<FH_thecat>it has the "--disable-dbus" option
00:02<FH_thecat>but where exactly should I put it ?
00:02<FH_thecat>here is the debian/rules file:
00:02<FH_thecat>https://ctxt.io/2/AACgS8hvFA
00:03<dan1>sney: weird, in my case ctrl-clipboard and touchpad-clipboard, so to say, are, and have always been, the same
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00:04<sussudio>why would a text editor need dbus
00:05<dan1>I mean, it's weird that there are so many different default behaviors
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00:09<themill>sussudio: a few reasons: "what is the mimetype" (so what sort of syntax highlighting, wrapping rules etc that should be applied) is a question I've seen text editors ask. Similarly for code completion and spellchecking. It's about talking to something that is already running and has the database loaded, rather than NIHing such features.
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00:12<sussudio>themill: next it will want a registry...
00:12<jm_>I've also seen warnings related to dbus and accessibility from apps (warnings in the sense that no candidates are available on my system)
00:13<themill>Here was me thinking that sharing code across projects to have one working solution rather than many half-baked ones was good software engineering.
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00:15<sussudio>yes, if it's a working solution and not half-baked.
00:15<sussudio>there's mime libraries if you need them
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00:22<richard_h>FH_thecat: is this useful? https://superuser.com/questions/250437/how-to-pass-custom-options-to-configure-when-building-a-package-with-debuild
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00:28<dan1>well I guess it's my fault for using gnome
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00:33<FH_thecat>richard_h: thank you, that seems to work (ie, the build process uses --disable-dbus option
00:33<FH_thecat>however, after building, the binary is still linked with libdbus
00:34<FH_thecat>BTW, I have posted a question on SE, before you answered: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/667125/how-to-build-debian-package-mousepad-with-disable-dbus
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00:36<dan1>sussudio: solved it, I just had to install a different terminal emulator than gnome-terminal, apparently it is a bug while I thought it was a "feature"
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03:09<shtrb>I did a big mistake and let upgrade reset previous config files (sudoers, pa_defult , and few others) and worse I didn't record the upgrade screen (I'm a fool I know) Is there some log that has files that had been rested ?
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03:12<jm_>shtrb: unless you used script to log the session, then no, but dpkg makes a backup of config files, so you can check for those
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03:14*shtrb going to search for these backup files
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03:15<jm_>something like find /etc -name '*.dpkg-old'
03:15<shtrb>that what I did thank you
03:17<sussudio>jm_: that's one elaborate way to do the same as ls /etc/*dpkg-old
03:18<jm_>sussudio: not really, mine searches recursively
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03:20<sussudio>so... ls -R or just locate dpkg-old
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03:31<shtrb>thanks for the tip jm_ , suprisngly it wasn't too much of a job (and simpler than restoring back from a backup)
03:32<jm_>shtrb: np
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03:37<Tj>Can anyone tell me what to expect from the Bullseye debian-live-11-.0.0.-amd64-atandard.iso? As in, is it expected to have a DEV in the Live environment or is it simply a CLI?
03:39<Tj>we're seeing a "failed to unmount /run/live/media" or similar at boot-time then it drops to a shell - just want to be sure we don't have an issue
03:39<jm_>DEV as in development?
03:40<jm_>if you simply want to know what's included, then check https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-11.0.0-amd64-standard.packages
03:40<Tj>sorry jim, my typing is getting bad, I meant DE as in Desktop Environment
03:41<Tj>I think we were confused due to the error message; but it is standard shell environment - we thought maybe it had dropped to that and failed to start a DE due to the error
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03:41<jm_>right, pick some other one if you want one of the desktops
03:42<Tj>we don't but wanted to check :)
03:42<Tj>we sat there expecting it to eventually start a display-manager thinking it may have glitched. We're using it to bootstrap an install onto a USB storage device
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03:43<jm_>uhm why not simply use d-i for that
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03:44<Tj>what confused is, on the initial UEFI/GRUB boot menu it offers "Graphical installer" as well
03:44<Tj>d-i can't do what we need
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04:17<FH_thecat>what is "gir" and "introspection" ?
04:17<FH_thecat>as in: --enable-introspection=no
04:17<FH_thecat>and: dh $@ --with gir
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04:24<tjcarter>FH_thecat: That's how GTK/Gnome now handle OOP being C-based
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04:26<FH_thecat>tjcarter: I don't understand. Is introspection used for debugging, or for normal usage ?
04:27<tjcarter>If you have anything that goes anywhere near GTK and/or Gnome, they're absolutely required.
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04:36<Tj>in the bullseye live standard we've judt discovered that the terminal fonts are not setup correctly and output from commands such as 'lsblk' that uses extended ASCII block/line codes appears as characters with umlauts and so on; cannot figure out how to correct that. 'setupcon' is supposed to but the man-page doesn't indicate how we influence the font. LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 so would think
04:36<Tj>setupcon would take the UTF-8 hint
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04:38<Tj>OK, solved, needed to set CHARMAP=UTF-8 in /etc/default/console-setup (or run 'dpkg-reconfigure console-setup')
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04:42<buffoon>Hi! I've got a AMD Graphics card running the upstream drivers. Running radeontop I can see that shader Clock runs at 100%. Is there a htop like way to view processes that are using the gpu? I just found nvtop for the proprietary NVIdia drivers (which I hate to use anyway)
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05:33<AG46>hello :) i have a debian distribution on a beaglebone, its /dev/fb0 is missing...
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05:40<AG46>are there any graphics experts here?
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05:50<thelounge29>where can i find the features that the debian compiled version of busybox support?
05:51<thelounge29>to my surprise, there isn't any wiki page for busybox
05:51<thelounge29>well, i mean debian wiki
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05:53<crawler>Man pages of busybox has detailed description
05:53<crawler>https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/busybox/busybox.1.en.html
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05:53<thelounge29>crawler: wow. just know different distros have different man pages
05:54<crawler>and in debian each release has different man pages as well
05:55<crawler>link above is the man pages for busybox in the latest debian stable release
05:55<thelounge29>crawler: thanks. good to know that
05:57<boud>After modifying /etc/security/faillock.conf, do I still need to edit /etc/pam.d/ files by hand?
05:58<buffoon>AG46, I'd check with dmesg and/or journalctl (eventually try to get a serial console or ssh working if there's no output at all) for a reason. Also try to get information how the graphics chip on your device works with linux kernel. Maybe some non-free firmware is missing...
05:59<buffoon>AG46, also, there seems to be some information on https://beagleboard.org/debian
06:01<Tj>Just found that grub2-common doesn't copy /usr/share/grub/default/grub to /etc/default/grub ... can't see any .postinst scripts that do it either; any ideas why package install leaves that out?
06:02<AG46>hi buffoon :) thanks for the response, i shall look, its very odd
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06:07<Tj>turns out grub-efi-amd64-signed isn't enough - needs grub-efi-amd64 which has a .postinst that copies the file form grub2-common into place
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06:28<ibs2001>***sney: I'm sorry but I had to disconnect from chat yesterday. Have you tried downloading the DVD and installing bullseye?
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06:34<FH_thecat>I am building "abiword" package
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06:35<FH_thecat>the build succeeds, but at the end I get these warnings"
06:35<FH_thecat>dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: symbol g_module_error used by libabiword-3.0.so found in none of the libraries
06:35<FH_thecat>I have pasted the whole output here: https://ctxt.io/2/AACg7_B9EA
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06:36<FH_thecat>what does this mean ?
06:41<AG46>Thanks buffoon, i could not find references to the frame buffer but i did leave a bug report on GIT as much older images do have /dev/fb0
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07:14<EmleyMoor>Trying out the speakers in this monitor again
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07:17<mozambique>___________________________________________________________________________________
07:17<mozambique>Complete Nick = mozambique makumba waterproof downtown sistemas subsahara caju
07:17<mozambique> Don't come to this IP is somewhere in West Europe
07:17<mozambique> It's called Cursed Kingdom == a place in Europe zone something
07:17<mozambique> Let's Talk??!!
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07:18<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... they're awful so I'll have to keep the Bose ones
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07:20<EmleyMoor>Making room for the other monitor will be hard!
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07:26<EmleyMoor>However, at least it's now plugged in and working
07:29<EmleyMoor>Second monitor seems to have slowed mouse click response (!)
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07:31<EmleyMoor>Great for the purpose I intended... though a wall bracket might make it better
07:32<EmleyMoor>Can have full screen YouTube etc. on one screen and my usual stuff on the other.
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07:42<EmleyMoor>Wish we used Debian at work!
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08:00<qtrtutyiuyi>hi, similar situation https://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg5909941.html
08:00<qtrtutyiuyi>chip z590
08:01<qtrtutyiuyi>Intel UHD Graphics 750 in debian 11
08:01<qtrtutyiuyi>writes soft render and 1024x768 desktop
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08:02<simonpatapon>éscript unload matrix.py
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08:08<boud>Is pam *only* for ssh?
08:09<qtrtutyiuyi>what to do?
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08:09<towo^work>qtrtutyiuyi, try boot with intel_iommu=off
08:09<shtrb>boud, no
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08:10<boud>shtrb, OK thanks
08:10<qtrtutyiuyi>What should I do, I'm not good at this?
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08:12<tjcarter>qtrtutyiuyi: you can try it at the grub menu by pressing e and finding the linux command line and adding that to it
08:13<boud>shtrb: If I install libpam-abl and edit /etc/security/pam_abl.conf, should I expect the effect to be immediate?
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08:14<shtrb>it depends
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08:14<qtrtutyiuyi>what does the setting do? intel_iommu=off
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08:16<boud>shrtb: This is for debian/bullseye + mobian/bookworm, with the login/ssh system essentially unchanged from the mobian out-of-the-box installer.
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08:17*boud reads README.Debian "By default the pam-abl PAM module is enabled for sshd service only.
08:17<boud>"
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08:18<shtrb>boud, isn't that the idea ? as abl is a specific for ssh only ?
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08:22<boud>I want something especially for the touchscreen login. I have ssh only by passphrase. The threat model is a pickpocket stealing the computer or me forgetting the computer on a table or next to where I'm sitting and someone stealing it while it's still running, and not yet powered down. I'm working through the README.Debian now...
08:22<boud>touchscreen == monitor
08:24<grtestuser>how 2 remove a symbolic link?
08:25<grtestuser>rm --> cannot remove, is a directory
08:25*tarzeau always uses mc to do so
08:25<grtestuser>rmdir --> directory not empty
08:25<grtestuser>when i use force to the target now, will i delete the source too?
08:26<tarzeau>grtestuser: unlink?
08:26<grtestuser>how 2 unlink?
08:26<tarzeau>unlink symboliclink
08:26<grtestuser>aha!
08:26<grtestuser>ty
08:28<grtestuser>unlink --> cannot unlink target, is a directory
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08:28<grtestuser>:)
08:28<grtestuser>suis coince
08:28<shtrb>boud, you should setup pam for your login
08:28<tarzeau>grtestuser: just install mc, start it, point to the symlink, f8 (esc-8) and enter
08:29<tarzeau>grtestuser: maybe it's not a symbolic link but a hard link?
08:30<grtestuser>ln -s is symbolic, isnt it?
08:30<tarzeau>grtestuser: it is
08:30<tarzeau>on what file system is that? what does ls -lad yoursymlink (without trailing /) show?
08:31<grtestuser>i linked ln -s /complete-source-path-to-dir /complete-target-path-to-dir
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08:33<grtestuser>directory
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08:34<tarzeau>grtestuser: you have one solution you just apt install mc first
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08:35<grtestuser>seems like
08:35<boud>shtrb: sounds reasonable - any good guidelines? both 'pam' and 'login' are rather common words for search engines (parental access module rates highly...)
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08:36<grtestuser>the dir is empty and shows only the link 2 the target
08:36<tjcarter>grtestuser: symlinks remove with rm. Directories do not. suggest running tree (a package you probably don't have installed) to see what's in it first.
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08:36<tjcarter>directory probably contains dotfiles
08:37<tjcarter>(ls -a)
08:37<boud>shtrb: In the case of a suspicious attempt at repeated logins, I reallly only want to force a poweroff or reboot; no need to block more login attempts.
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08:38<tjcarter>boud: wait … what will that accomplish?
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08:38<grtestuser>it worked
08:39<grtestuser>lots of ty
08:39<grtestuser>your tip with tree was fine :)
08:40<boud>The default out-of-the-box install of mobian is with an encrypted emmc (the built-in "disk"). This is protected with a serious passphrase that allows typing in a (more or less) full keyboard.
08:40<boud>The touchscreen only allows numeric entry of a password.
08:40<shtrb>boud, I had seen such config once, I locked myself out for a day
08:40<boud>This is on a pinephone, btw.
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08:41<boud>tjcarter: So forcing a reboot makes the computer (phone) unusable to any ordinary thief.
08:42<didi`>How does I make Bulleye's GNOME accept my umask? In Buster, `umask 077' inside `~/.profile' was enough.
08:42<didi`>s/does/do
08:43<boud>shtrb: Thanks for the warning. :)
08:43<tjcarter>boud: If they have an arbitrary number of attempts though, all that does is slow them down a little.
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08:45<boud>tjcarter: Without decrypting the disk, the thief won't be given the chance to login.
08:46<boud>I assume you mean "arbitrary" in a practical sense, not a pure mathematical sense.
08:47<boud>My scenario is: thief tries 11 times; pam ... login detects this and powers off the phone; thief has to LUKS decrypt the emmc before having any chance to login.
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08:48<boud>My scenario is: thief tries unsuccessfully 11 times to login through the touchscreen interface (phosh = phone shell manages this in some way); pam ... login detects this and powers off the phone; thief has to LUKS decrypt the emmc before having any chance to login.
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08:50<shtrb>!tell boud pam_faillock
08:50<shtrb>boud, take a look at pam_faillock
08:51<insufficient-entropy>@didi put it in "~/.bashrc" ? KDE here...
08:51<didi`>insufficient-entropy: Thank you.
08:52<boud>shrtb, I tried that as an intermediate step (temporary login block instead of poweroff) towards my scenario, but after editing /etc/security/faillock.conf , I couldn't detect any effect.
08:53<boud>pam-auth-update didn't seem to use the uncommented lines from /etc/security/faillock.conf in its updates
08:53<shtrb>boud, I think you should also update the general pam config in addition to that
08:54<boud>Do you mean edit /etc/pam.d/* files directly?
08:54<shtrb>but I didn't touch (pam) for many years so I might be wrong
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08:54<shtrb>yes
08:54<boud>OK, that's the one obvious thing I haven't tried yet.
08:55<boud>But it's the thing that is more likely to cause unexpected errors for someone who doesn't quite know exactly what the edits are expected to do.
08:56<shtrb>boud, duck says you should edit system-auth and password
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09:05<tjcarter>boud: I appreciate what you're after here. And I think the tools to do it do exist.
09:07<tjcarter>boud: I don't understand pam well enough to do it yet, but I wish you the greatest success. For me to use a Linux phone, it's going to need a bit more polish and availability on a more mainstream device with quality screen and camera.
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09:08<tjcarter>(I'm legally blind and my phone serves important roles for me beyond checking my email.)
09:11<tjcarter>When pine64 starts selling a phablet with a quality 8 megapixel sensor and about 4GB of RAM for a reasonable price or Librem starts selling a phone that's worth its asking price (so similar specs), I'm right there with you wanting to be able to make things happen if someone tries and fails to unlock the device n times. 😁
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09:15<boud>Thanks for the feedback. If I can find a working solution, I'll post it to a Mobian forum. The current pinephone (v1.2b) that I got a few weeks ago gives 1944x2592 resolution jpeg images and has 3Gb of RAM - so maybe you won't have to wait for too long.
09:17<qtrtutyiuyi>how to switch llvmpipe Software rendering to cpu 11 gen intel UHD Graphics 750?
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09:37<EmleyMoor>I am pleased to say that my partner has been full of praise for bullseye so far.
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09:50<insufficient-entropy>@EmleyMoor its been pretty slick for me. Can't say a LOT changed in my daily experience, but the graphics got a bit shinier, and some new options appeared. And pretty much the worst breakage was I discovered one KDE game graphics were affected by "global scale" which was set to 125% not 100% for reasons unclear.
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09:51<insufficient-entropy>I have a server I really need to do, but put off because the last upgrade was horrendous (Mostly down to changes in config file formats in email applications).
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09:52<EmleyMoor>It seems to be rather faster on our machines - not sure why.
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10:33<MarkTevanian>Hello everyone, I have a question, recently I decided to manually install an updated version of LibreOffice, then I removed --purged the older version that I installed via sudo apt, but now when I try to run sudo apt update and sudo apt upgrade it tells me that error: can't open /usr/share/applications/libreoffice7.1-impress.desktop: No such file or directory
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10:36<jeremiah>It may be that you purged your .desktop file for LibreOffice.
10:37<MarkTevanian>ok, how can I fix this, since that version was the older one, now I manually installed libreoffice7.2
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10:39<jeremiah>Well, start with an apt-get clean.
10:40<jeremiah>That cleans out the local repository (the one on your computer) of retrieved package files.
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10:41<MarkTevanian>all right trying it right now, thanks let me see what happens =)
10:41<jeremiah>Cool, paste any errors here.
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10:41<jeremiah>Important to get as much context for the error message as possible.
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10:46<MarkTevanian>it returned same error again
10:46<MarkTevanian> kali-menu
10:46<MarkTevanian>needrestart is being skipped since dpkg has failed
10:46<MarkTevanian>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
10:47<MarkTevanian>I actually using KaliLinux
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10:48<MarkTevanian>update-kali-menu: error: can't open /usr/share/applications/libreoffice7.1-impress.desktop: No such file or directory
10:48<MarkTevanian>dpkg: error processing package kali-menu (--configure):
10:48<MarkTevanian> installed kali-menu package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 255
10:48<dpkg>marktevanian: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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10:49<tjcarter>!kali
10:49<dpkg>Kali Linux https://kali.org/ is a security/penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but is different enough that we don't provide support in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.libera.chat or https://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian> and read https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html
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10:51<MarkTevanian>oh sounds right, thanks a lot, I will check there =)
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10:52<tjcarter>That package doesn't exist in Debian so … there's not even a little chance we're going to be able to help
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11:35<sney>ibs2001: yes, it worked fine in both virt-manager and virtualbox. there was probably some issue with your download.
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12:00<urk>I would like some help copying and transfering files from my laptop to a USB memory stick. I already know how to use the copy command so that isn't an issue. The problem is that I am not able to properly prepare the USB device due to a lack of features caused by a missing windows manager.
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12:02<urk>Historically I tried to upgrade to Debian 5.10, but it didn't work, and I reverted to Kernel 4.19 using Timeshift/Rsync, but ended up loosing my Windows manager in the process. As a result, there is very limited functionality, and I have to close one window in order to get another window to work. Additionally most mail programs won't allow me to attach documents to outgoing mail. Another problem is that I can't run the apt cache search feature to find
12:02<urk>out what is the repository, or what is installed on my machine.
12:02<urk>Any thoughts on how to prepare the USB?
12:03<mason>urk: stick in the USB stick, dmesg | tail to see what device got it, and then if that device is, for instance, sdb, as root, "mount /dev/sdb /mnt" or if there's a partition, "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt", assuming it's already formatted usefully. Then as root, cd to wherever, and cp some*files* /mnt/
12:03<mason>If it's not already partitioned/formatted then you'll want to do that. You can do it on another system if that's easier.
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12:04<urk>dmesg tail does not work. The USB device is /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2. I recall there are two partitions on the device.
12:04<mason>urk: Is your laptop running on NVME or something?
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12:05<mason>dmesg | tail ought to work. You'll need to be root by default.
12:06<urk>One option might be to check the configuration file for the windows mwindows manager, and see if I can repair it. I recall an error message indicating the windows manager was missing at position "0". I tried unisntalling and reinstalling the windows manager, but it had no affect. This missing windows manager was experienced after the upgrade, and downgrading did't fix the problem.
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12:06<urk>mason: what is NVME?
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12:07<mason>urk: It's a potential explanation for why your laptop doesn't use /dev/sda as its built-in disk.
12:07<mason>Different storage technology with a different naming.
12:08<urk>mason: My built in disk is nvme0n1 and six partitions are under that.
12:08<urk>I had no problem at all before the upgrade to 5.10
12:08<mason>urk: Recommendation: Might be better for you to download a LiveUSB image and boot from that, and use its graphical tools to copy off your data to your storage.
12:09<urk>mason: Not sure what I have. I have the install disk for kernel 4.19 so I will try installing from that, and chat with you on my cell phone.
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12:09<mason>But... I have meetings coming up...
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13:11<urk>mason: which one of the boot options is needed to pull data off my drive? I am now booted into a Debian installer. Im not sure if this is luve cd. Installer is 10.7.0
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13:12<urk>Im ralking to you on my cell phone.
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13:12<mason>urk: Grab one of the live ISOs I think, not an installer. Pick a desktop environment you like.
13:12<cOOl>hi folks
13:12<urk>That was live cd My manual dexterity isnt that good.
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13:13<cOOl>just connected, what is the main question?
13:13<blast007>urk: if it was a live DVD, then don't pick the install option
13:14<urk>mason: does it say live cd at the boot menu?
13:14<mason>urk: I only use the standard image, but assuming they're all the same, the GRUB entry ought to say something about a live session, and maybe note the desktop environment.
13:14<urk>blast007: advanced optios?
13:14<blast007>no
13:15<blast007>what is the first boot menu option?
13:15<cOOl>just run it live
13:15<urk>Ok. Im in grub
13:15<cOOl>what options you have there
13:15<cOOl>?
13:15<mason>First option is probably the one you want.
13:15<tjcarter>cOOl: that's not gonna work if he's got a netinst
13:15<cOOl>ok
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13:16<tjcarter>"the debian installer" is also not very helpful since there's at least two of them in circulation
13:16<cOOl>?
13:16<mason>Oh, he said he's not sure if it's a live CD. I misread. (Was distracted by a meeting.)
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13:16<jmcnaught>One is actually named debian-installer: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
13:16<urk>tjcarter: im in grub.
13:16<mason>urk: Download a live ISO, perhaps one from here: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/11.0.0-live/amd64/
13:17<tjcarter>urk: you've been asked what the first option under grub says in the menu
13:17<cOOl>thats the standard build
13:17<urk>11.0.0 doesnt work on this computer without a lot if headaches. Best to use kernel 4.19 for now.
13:18<cOOl>?
13:18<urk>Proc
13:18<cOOl>what system specs are you using?
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13:19<urk>c001: you mean like desktop environment?
13:19<cOOl>no: urk
13:19<cOOl>what maschine do you use
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13:19<urk>Dell xps 15 7590
13:20<cOOl>whats the goal, wich maschine, what is your try
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13:20<cOOl>urk , arch?
13:20<urk>2nd option in grub is hd0
13:20<cOOl>are you booting efi or legacy
13:20<cOOl>amd64, i386, am..
13:20<cOOl>arm
13:21<cOOl>what arch hast the maschine
13:21<cOOl>?
13:21<blast007>urk: what is the first boot option in the boot menu of your Debian CD/DVD?
13:21<urk>c001: I need to back up my document folder, desktop, and images after preparing a memory stick for data
13:21<blast007>if it isn't some variation of "live", then you probably have an installer CD/DVD, *not* a Live DVD
13:22<cOOl>yes blast007 i think that to
13:22<cOOl>urk, you need to try out Debian as Live system or you will install it somewhere on a hdd
13:23<urk>Graphical Install, Install, Advanced Options, etc
13:23<cOOl>it is install cd/DVD
13:23<cOOl>wait
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13:23<cOOl>urk wich arch do you use
13:24<cOOl>maschine: amd64 ? i386 ? arm.. etc??
13:24<urk>c001: I think it is amd64. Tjus is a 2019 machine.
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13:25<cOOl>https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.0.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/
13:25<cOOl>go there and choose the iso with the deskto environment you need
13:25<urk>I need an older kernel than the link you provided.
13:26<blast007>urk: would that be Debian 10 or 9?
13:26<cOOl>why you need the older kernel?
13:26<urk>The link you provided is Bullseye, and I need Buster.
13:26<urk>Bullseye crashes on this laptop.
13:27<cOOl>https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/archive/10.10.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/
13:27<cOOl>thats the link but in Buster
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13:28<cOOl>should be kernel 4.19..
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13:28<cOOl>it is debian libe 10.10.0 repo
13:29<cOOl>live
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13:30<cOOl>btw iso.hybrid.. so able to run on efi and legacy, non free sources enabled and live.. so just to pick the desktop environment you prefer
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13:33*mooff wonders why bullseye crashes on urk's laptop
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13:35<blast007>cOOl: note that the "hybrid" isn't about efi+legacy. It's about allowing the same image to be written to CD/DVD/BR or a USB flash drive.
13:35<cOOl>blast hybrid, means that it can run in efi , and legacy boot
13:35<cOOl>you can read that in debian forums
13:36<blast007>the ISO can, but that's not what that refers to
13:36<cOOl>an image can always be written to what you want..
13:36<blast007>!hybrid iso
13:36<dpkg>Since the 6.0 "Squeeze" release, Debian installation images for x86 systems - e.g. <netinst>, <CD1>, DVD1 - are hybrid images. These can be written directly to CD or HD Media (e.g. USB thumbdrive) without further preparation. See http://www.debian.org/News/project/2010/14/#hybrid for details. See also <install debian>, <usb install>.
13:37<blast007>and no, a non-hybrid image can't necessarily be written to whatever media you want and have it actually be bootable
13:37<cOOl>yes that what can be done since 6.0
13:37<blast007>UEFI booting on the live DVDs wasn't added until Debian 9
13:39<cOOl>hybrid, today means that it can handle both boot options
13:39<blast007>nope
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13:40<cOOl>with dd command and proper boot flag, you can dump what ever you want on what ever you want
13:40<cOOl>i appologize when im wrong, but that what i read in debian forums.. bootable in efi, in legacy, live and installer.. thats a hybrid today
13:41<blast007>then they were wrong too
13:42<cOOl>as i told already.. if you use dd you can clone it everywhere.. just set boot flags
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13:42<cOOl>my information is from debian official site. about hybrid images
13:43<urk>c00l: There are a lot of options and Im not sure which one to use.
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13:46<cOOl>so give out the options here
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13:47<cOOl>blast007
13:47<cOOl>sure you dont talk about the isohybrid opzion?
13:47<cOOl>option
13:47<cOOl>thats another thing then a hybrid iso
13:47<blast007>'"Hybrid" ISO image files suitable for writing to DVD-R(W) media, and also USB keys of the appropriate size' https://www.debian.org/CD/live/
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13:48<cOOl>yes they are suitable.. but.. that menas not that hybrid is meaned about that options
13:48<cOOl>non hybrid images are the same options
13:49<cOOl>hybrid can be written on = DVD-R(W) media, and also USB keys of the appropriate size'
13:49<cOOl>non hybrid also
13:49<blast007>non-hybrid would need to be modified to work on both
13:50<AndroUser2>.
13:50<Sqrt{not}>urk, what desktop environment are you familiar with? gnome?
13:51<cOOl>blast007 why are they to be modified? i can dump whatever image on any media when it is r/W .. so why not when its not hybrid.. i dumped alot of non hybrids on usb or so
13:52<cOOl>i can only reference to what iread in debian official forums, that a hybrid image is intended to run in efi or legacy mode from bootup..
13:52<cOOl>when im wrong im sorry, but i will reread the section
13:53<cOOl>urk, what stage you are at moment?
13:55<cOOl>urk what system you are running at moment ?
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13:59<cOOl>blast007 you are not so wrong, but i stay to my meaning that an hybrid is an image that can be bootet on all regular devices.. as you told.. that means . efi, legacy
13:59<AndroUser2>c00l: my friends computer has windows 10, and will only let me byrn ti fat32, and ntfs.
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14:00<cOOl>so you will put that image to an usb? or dvd
14:00<cOOl>urk
14:00<urk>Usb
14:00<cOOl>on windows, get rufus
14:00<cOOl>you can easyly dump it on an usb with rufus
14:00<cOOl>go google for it
14:00<cOOl>;)
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14:00<urk>Im in rufus, and that us all it offers.
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14:01<urk>Ntfs or fat 32 is it in rufus
14:01<cOOl>fat32
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14:01<cOOl>so so simple
14:01<Sqrt{not}>!rufus
14:01<dpkg>rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. Debian CD/DVD images MUST be written in "DD Mode," otherwise it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
14:02<cOOl>download your iso -- the matching iso to your arch, and desktop environment
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14:02<Sqrt{not}>cOOl, you can ignore those choices about formatting. what you must do is choose the DD mode at the bottome
14:02<cOOl>yes
14:02<cOOl>choose the dd mode
14:03<Sqrt{not}>urk, you can ignore those choices about formatting. what you must do is choose the DD mode at the bottome
14:03<cOOl>he is right with it
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14:03<cOOl>you can choose iso mode or dd mode
14:03<Sqrt{not}>NO
14:03<cOOl>as i remember
14:03<Sqrt{not}>at that choice, you MUST select DD mode
14:03<cOOl>dd will work always
14:03<cOOl>yes
14:03<Sqrt{not}>right :)
14:03<cOOl>that is what i say
14:03<Sqrt{not}>Yes, sorry, we agree
14:03<cOOl>im out of such software for longer
14:04<cOOl>yes
14:04<cOOl>sorry
14:04<cOOl>dd is what i suggest to dump
14:04<cOOl>dd is DiskDump ;)
14:05<jkc>Data Definition.
14:05<jkc>Old JCL command.
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14:08<Sqrt{not}>urk, you will need to be an admin user on your windows machine for rufus to work
14:10<cOOl>yes,,
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14:31<ws2k3>im trying to upgrade a machine fron debian 8 to debian 9 and im getting this error: https://pastebin.com/wPxUTamL anyone has an idea what this could be?
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14:39<sarnold>ws2k3: try an apt-get install mysql-common- libmariadbclient-dev
14:39<ws2k3>sarnold: thanks but. apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install libmariadbclient-dev did the trick to bypass the issue
14:40<sarnold>I wonder if that file will be removed when mysql-common is removed
14:40<crawler>try minimal upgrade if you didn't start upgrading yet
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15:05<qcow2>hi, weeks ago I did use virt-manager UI create a 50 GiB qcow2 image for my bullseye guest (bullseye host is on btrfs).
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15:05<qcow2>So far so good, but now it is half filled, it uses 17k extents. I guess I should have changed the default to fallocate the image.
15:05<qcow2>But then, is there still a point using qcow2 over raw?
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15:10<spawacz>I'm having hard time configuring wifi on raspbery with debian. I can connect manually using wpa_cli but i need to 1) first manually run wpa_supplicant 2) after wpa_cli, manually dhclient
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15:11<spawacz>What should i do to make it start at boot? I see many systemd services starting with wpa_supplicant
15:11<spawacz>and the dhclient part, absolutely nothing
15:12<sney>you should be able to follow this example, https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Using_ifupdown
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15:12<sney>or scroll down for the more involved wpa_supplicant usage
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15:22<spawacz>using dhcpcd hook worked right away :)
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15:38<urk>Would someone be able to provide guidance on seeing things in a live-cd when reading from a disk that is identified as nvme0n1p1 ??
15:39<urk>I am in web based IRC using Debian Live CD Kernel 4.19, installer 10.9
15:40<sarnold>"seeing things"?
15:41<urk>I need to see and verify the documents folder in one of several partitions that is located in nvme*
15:42<jkc>nvme0n1p1 is a partition, not a disk.
15:42<urk>Simply doing ls command only pulls up the documents folder in live cd, and not nvme*
15:42<urk>nvme* is a disk and there are various partitions on that.
15:43<jkc>nvme* is not a disk. nvme* is an interface type. nvme0n1 is a disk. nvme0n1p1 is a partition.
15:43<blast007>urk: you need to mount the partition somewhere and then navigate into that mounted location
15:43<blast007>something like: mkdir /mnt/disk ; mount /dev/nvme0n1p1 /mnt/disk ; ls /mnt/disk
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15:44<blast007>and if that ends up not being the partition you way (since that may be /boot), you can run: umount /mnt/disk
15:44<blast007>(and then run a mount again with a different partition)
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15:45<urk>blast007: Well its mounted, but how do I get into it?
15:45<blast007>view the output of the 'mount' command to see where it is mounted
15:45<blast007>if you're in the Gnome file manager, you should see it as a drive in the left panel
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15:56<urk>blast007: Its mounted to /mnt http://paste.debian.net/1209961/
15:56<urk>My problem is getting into it. Usually I don't have any trouble so not sure what I am doing wrong.
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15:56<sarnold>you've mounted two filesytems onto /mnt
15:57<sarnold>mount them into different places
15:57<urk>ok
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15:59<blast007>urk: I see no nvme mounted in your paste
16:00<urk>I have umounted nvme*, and now trying to figure out where to mount them. /mnt is already taken by /dev/sdb2
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16:02<blast007>make a new directory in /media then and mount it there
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16:14<Sqrt{not}>urk, what live disk are you running? these things might already be mounted.
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16:16<Sqrt{not}>urk, except now you already unmounted the nvme partitions, if they were already automounted. what live disk are you using?
16:18-!-mode/#debian [+l 1025] by debhelper
16:18<urk>Sqrt{not}: Installer says 10.10.0, Kernel 4.19, but comes up as 10.9
16:18<Sqrt{not}>urk, are you booting an installer image, or a live image?
16:18<urk>I mounted nvme01p1 to /mnt/disk, but still don't know how to read it.
16:18<urk>live image
16:18<urk>I'm already in the live image
16:18<Sqrt{not}>are you in a graphical environment, or a text command line?
16:18<urk>I'm using web based IRC
16:19<Sqrt{not}>so you are in a graphical environment?
16:19<urk>Sqrt{not}: I have access to the command line.
16:19<Sqrt{not}>urk, do you have a graphical environment running there? what is it?
16:20<urk>http://paste.debian.net/1209964/
16:20<urk>I am running XFCE
16:20<urk>I have always used XFCE.
16:21<urk>I will be back in 30 minutes. I need to grab something from the store.
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16:35<nickt1254>uh, i had 3 usb storage devices plugged in at once. now they are called /dev/sdb, /dev/sdc and /dev/sdd, persistently. I normally only have one plugged in at a time, so i want them all to be named /dev/sdb.
16:36<nickt1254>how can i make linux forget their names
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16:39<ghostnik11>okay so for some reason my sound output of both the left and right speaker on my 2 in 1 tablet is only outputting to the left speaker. so when i go to do a speaker test the left speaker will both have sound from the left and right speaker. how can i get the right speaker to say right speaker
16:39<ghostnik11>i am using a asus t100taf and i have the correct ucm files
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16:50<Sqrt{not}>nickt1254, what do you mean "persistently"? I do not think linux will remember long term which was temporarily called /dev/sdc or /dev/sdd
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16:53<mooff>why do you want this, nickt1254 ?
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16:56<nickt1254>Sqrt{not}: well i havent tried rebooting
16:57<nickt1254>mooff: i have a backup script that assumes the storage device is named /dev/sdb
16:57<mooff>it works on block level?
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16:59<nickt1254>it runs "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb ..."
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17:00<nickt1254>this command lists the names. is this forgotten after a reboot though? ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuiid
17:01<mooff>the uuids will stay the same after a reboot, unplugging, replugging
17:01<mooff>should use those if possible
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17:02<nickt1254>can i make linux forget them?
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17:03<Sqrt{not}>nickt1254, the uuid are stored%uuid
17:03<Sqrt{not}>%uuid
17:03<dselect>A Universally Unique IDentifier (UUID) is used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with 'blkid'. In /etc/fstab, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. UUIDs help to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire.
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17:04<Sqrt{not}>they are stored in the partition, and are permenent (until you change them)
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17:05<Sqrt{not}>nickt1254, if you unplug all those usb devices, and then replug only one, what /dev/sd? does it show up as?
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17:06<nickt1254>depending on which one i plug in, they are named sdb, sdc or sdd
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17:10<nickt1254>uh i should say i'm on Xen, not debian but i figured this issue would be the same
17:11<Sqrt{not}>have you closed the luks things, and then cleanly unmounted them before unplugging and replugging ?
17:12<nickt1254>yes
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17:13<Sqrt{not}>I don't know about xen, but it seems like it might be possible for it to remember a temporary device's uuid to facilitate managing the resources of the guest(s)
17:15<nickt1254>ok so maybe i can change the uuid of the device so it thinks it's a new usb device?
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17:19<Sqrt{not}>like I said, I don't know about xen. I'll let others try to fix your issue
17:20<nickt1254>ty, i can try #xen
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17:21<Sqrt{not}>maybe #debian-xen on this network?
17:21<Sqrt{not}>unless it is not actually debian xen ;)
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17:29<nickt1254>ty
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17:35<Sqrt{not}>no, good luck
17:35<Sqrt{not}>np
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17:53<Urk>I am back.
17:53<Urk>Had to go shopping, and get some coffee which I normally don't drink.
17:55<Urk>I am trying to make copies of my documents, desktop, and images folder. I just rebooted, and this is what lsblk displays http://paste.debian.net/1209980/
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17:55<Booda>coffee is essential in life my friend
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17:58<Urk>I just mounted the first partition in the nvme* series http://paste.debian.net/1209981/
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17:59<Urk>but don't see how to copy documents folder off of any of the nvme* partitions
17:59<mooff>urk - uncaffeinated
17:59<mooff>Urk - caffeinated
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18:00<Urk>mooff: It was actually a moca.
18:00<Urk>I haven't been sleeping well since starting a new medication, and taking steps to get rid of it, but I need to find a new doctor to do it.
18:00<mooff>good luck
18:01<Urk>mooff: Any thoughts on how to copy the /Documents? It isn't showing up with the ls command.
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18:02<AnyCreatureMorph>Does anyone use debian sid?
18:02<mooff>Urk: the directory you are working in is shown on the left of the prompt
18:02<mooff>Urk: in the paste, it shows you are in /home/user
18:02<sney>AnyCreatureMorph: as you can see from the topic, testing/unstable discussion is in #debian-next
18:03<Urk>True, but maybe I am missing something.
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18:03<mooff>Urk: if you do 'ls Documents', does that show what you want?
18:03<Urk>No
18:03<mooff>'Documents' and '/Documents' would typically be two different things
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18:04<mooff>unless you were in the root directory (/) of course
18:04<crazyfrog>hey, how do i enable long php log on debian 11?
18:04<mooff>okie, so maybe you want /mnt/disk/Documents
18:04<mooff>crazyfrog: what do you mean by 'long' php log?
18:04<crazyfrog>error logs
18:05<mooff>are you using php-fpm ?
18:05<crazyfrog>i have connecting with phpmyadmin errors: mysqli::real_connect(): (HY000/2002): Connection refused Connection for controluser as defined in your configuration failed. mysqli::real_connect(): (HY000/2002): No such file or directory
18:06<Urk>mooff: Probably do, but I am confused on how to access the internal drive from live-cd. I am using Debian installer 10.10.0, kernel 4.19 (it shows has 10.9) after bootup.
18:06<crazyfrog>mooff, yes
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18:06<mooff>crazyfrog: 'No such file or directory' sounds like it's trying to connect to a Unix socket
18:06<mooff>did you install phpmyadmin with apt?
18:06<crazyfrog>yes
18:07<mooff>Urk: can you open the Files app? that might let you browse and mount your drives in an easier way
18:07<crazyfrog>the sql is in an other lxc container
18:08<crazyfrog>the sql server
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18:08<Urk>mooff: I have no idea how to do that. The LS commands are only accessing files within the Live-CD instead of the SSD on my laptop.
18:08<mooff>i guess the default config uses a canonical socket path
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18:08<mooff>crazyfrog: is there /etc/phpmyadmin? look in there for a config file you can edit, to point to the correct lxc host
18:09<crazyfrog>mooff ok thank you
18:09<mooff>Urk: not to worry. it should be possible to get to them 👍️
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18:10<mooff>so, if 'ls /mnt/disk' doesn't show files you're interested in, it's time to mount the next nvme device
18:10<Urk>This is the results of fdisk -l http://paste.debian.net/1209982/
18:11<Urk>mooff: /mnt/disk might show the files, I just don't know how to access them from a Live-CD
18:11<mooff>Urk: cd /mnt/disk
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18:11<Urk>It just says EFI after running that command
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18:11<Urk>I am going to try mounting some of the other partitions.
18:12<mooff>cool. the disk you mounted to /mnt/disk must be an EFI partition
18:12<mooff>yes, do that
18:14<Urk>mooff: Here is the results, but nothing is showing up in the home directory http://paste.debian.net/1209983/
18:14<Urk>the user profile pdq should be showing up in home, and it isn't.
18:15<mooff>Urk: i would guess your home directories are in nvme0n1p6
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18:18<Urk>mooff: You were right. It is in partition 6. So now I am going to attempt to use the copy command and send them to a USB Thumbdrive. I need to copy the Documents, Images, and Desktop.
18:19<mooff>that sounds good, Urk
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18:25<Urk>More problems. My USB is write protected so I need to change the permissions.
18:28<ach>chown -R as root and chmod 777
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18:32<Urk>I decided not to change permissions and use a different usb because firmware ended up being on the sdb1 partition.
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18:33<venom007>hello
18:33<crazyfrog>hi
18:35<mooff>Urk: i think a graphical file manager might help
18:35<mooff>do you know which Live CD you're running? is it XFCE? or Gnome?
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18:36<Urk>If I want to copy everything in a pdq profile, would use I use the following: cp -r /mnt/disk6/*.* /mnt/Backups This is my configuration http://paste.debian.net/1209986/
18:36<Urk>I am running XFCE, but if I use a graphical file manager then I won't learn anything.
18:36<mooff>okay cool!
18:36<Urk>There is already a Timeshift backup in the Backups
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18:37<mooff>doing 'cp -r /mnt/disk6/.' would copy no files, as none of the directories in /mnt/disk6 have . in their name
18:38<Urk>"." in their name?
18:38<Urk>So what do you recommend?
18:39<mooff>you likely want: cp -r /mnt/disk6/pdq /mnt/Backups
18:39<mooff>but first, make sure it will fit
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18:39<mooff>use: du -sh /mnt/disk6/pdq
18:39<Urk>That is what I am running now.
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18:39<mooff>np
18:39<Urk>Too late. It is already running.
18:40<Urk>But I will run that command anyway so that I know what is going on.
18:40<Urk>It should have returned a status message by now, and so far nothing.
18:40<mooff>it takes time to calculate if you have a lot of files
18:41<mooff>and, with a copy operation running, it will take a little longer still
18:41<mooff>but i would expect it to take less than a minute or so
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18:41<mooff>the cp command will not print any status unless there is an error
18:41<Urk>I don't think their is a size problem http://paste.debian.net/1209987/
18:42<Urk>The drive is somewhere between a 250-500gb USB, and only 1/2 of it is used. However, the one Timeshift/rsync backup took up half of it.
18:42<Urk>I am just going to let the cp command run awhile, and do something else.
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18:43<Urk>Also, does anyone know if the 10.10.0 installer (kernel 4.19) has the firmware on it? I know it won't support wireless for my laptop, but I found the 4.19 kernel to be really solid. I am going to try 5.10 again, but next time I am going to put it in emulation mode, and will either use Arch or Slack for internet access with a dual boot.
18:44<mooff>sounds great
18:44<mooff>with your modern laptop, i would like to help you get it running with 5.10 / bullseye
18:44<bremner>Urk: firmware presence is not based on version number.
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18:45<bremner>You either get the unofficial firmware-included installer, or not
18:45<mooff>yes. maybe you have a copy of Debian 10 with non-free, but only Debian 11 free
18:45<Urk>I tried 5.10 both before and after the official release, and ran into trouble both times. I sent the results to Termbin so people are aware of the problem. The windows manager crashed in 5.10, and restoring to 4.19 left me with a corrupted windows manager with limited functionality, and no firmware. '
18:46<Urk>So The plan is to try to fix the windows manager after doing a decent backup. If that doesn't work, I am going to reinstall, and leave a small partition for internet access.
18:47<Urk>I tried Debbian 11, and ran into trouble with it. The windows manager corrupted, and the firmware still isn't working without a lot of tinkering.
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18:48<Urk>So far I tried fixing the windows manager after restoring with rsync, and did this by deleting lightdm, and reinstalling it, but to no avail. The following error message showed up when running the xfce command called xfdesktop, and it said the windows manager was missing at position "0". The first thing I will do is check the windows manager
18:48<Urk>configuration file to see if it can be fixed. And if not, get some advice on here, or just reinstall. I don't think anything else is wrong except a corrupted windows manager.
18:49<Urk>What is strange is how the corruption carried over after the restore. I don't understand how that could have happened, but apparently it did.
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18:50<Urk>I definitely don't want to create a new profile to get around the problem even though that seems to be popular with some on here. There are other problems that show up when you do that without fixing the problems with the original profile. Its best to reinstall as opposed to creating a new profile, but I am optimistic about fixing the windows
18:50<mooff>i see. your window manager would be XFCE, and lightdm would be your 'display manager'
18:50<Urk>manager.
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18:50<Urk>Meant to say display manager.
18:51<mooff>okie
18:51<Urk>ok. The copy command is done. I am going to check it, and then reboot with the original 4.19 install.
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18:51<mooff>if there is such an issue in bullseye, it would be great to diagnose and fix it so it can be included in the next point release
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18:53<Urk>I don't know. I have had problems for awhile, and earlier in the year installed it with help from jcmnaught. It took three different patches to get the firmware etc. And it crashed after it was installed..
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18:53<Urk>Supposedly many people haven't had any problem at all, but I was advised that the combination of my chipset and some other hardware component is still problematic on a couple of machines which includes mine.
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18:54<mooff>ah, okay
18:54<Urk>Kernel 4.19 is great, and very solid
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18:55<bremner>ok then
18:55<bremner>!next
18:55<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
18:56<mooff>cheeky bremner lol
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19:09<mason>I'm curious if anyone's aware of documentation describing OKD on Debian. I'm not finding anything.
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19:10<mason>Prevailing wisdom is "you can't run it on Debian" but now Debian ships podman.
19:12<stub-master>Hi idk if this is the place to ask, I've been reading through the docs for contributing, I've picked a package or two with open requests for help, but the last activity there has been years ago. Where can I get more current info? Should I look for a mailing list or email the maintainer directly?
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19:17<crazyfrog>mariadb is binding on ip 127.0.0.1 but i configure it to use lan ip?
19:17<jkc>Then you didn't configure it to use the lan IP.
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19:20<somiaj>stub-master: What do you mean by open requests, are these packages that have been orphaned? Or are you wanting to create a package for an RFP request?
19:20<crazyfrog>i put to the my.cnf bind-address LAN IP
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19:21<somiaj>stub-master: or are these packages that they have a bug you want to submit a patch for?
19:22<mooff>crazyfrog: did you reload the service to take the new setting?
19:22<crazyfrog>yes i started the container new
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19:25<stub-master>somiaj: I mean I saw a list of "packages in need of help" on the work needing packages page. Orphaned packages are looking for a new maintainer, right? I don't have any experience with packaging stuff for debian, I'm just looking for ways to start helping. I guess I should start looking through the bug tracker and start patching bug on packages I care about?
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19:27<somiaj>stub-master: Yea, if you don't want to jump in and try to matain a package as the maintainer, then that is a good place to start. For packages you care about, or use, fix bugs, and send patches to the BTS (attached to the appropriate bug), the matainer should then deal with that.
19:28<somiaj>stub-master: though here is kinda a grey area, often times it is best to get bugs fixed upstream (provided they are not debian specific), so you can also loop in upstream and send the patch there too.
19:28<somiaj>stub-master: though as you are doing this, you might want to get use to building our own package to test your fixes, and maybe get to the point you can help out with some of those orphaned packages or add some new software to debian.
19:29<mooff>crazyfrog: try this in the mariadb container to confirm where it is listening: ss -tlp
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19:30<crazyfrog>LISTEN 0 80 127.0.0.1:mysql 0.0.0.0:* users..
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19:31<jkc>crazyfrog: Perhaps you should show us your mariadb configuration file.
19:31<stub-master>somiaj: yeah I'd really like to get to that point, just the idea of jumping into orphaned packages is a little daunting. I'll definitely try to get comfortable with building and packaging soon too. Thanks a lot :)
19:33<crazyfrog>my my.cnf: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/332edfb1/
19:33<somiaj>stub-master: orphaned packages I found to be a good place to start, because you have a debian/ that just needs some care, but is already there
19:34<somiaj>stub-master: Just bring it up to policy, clean things up, and look for a sponsor, after that start fixing bugs on it, but yea getting use to building debian packages is a good place too, also check out the new matainers guide
19:34<somiaj>!nmg
19:34<dpkg>The packaging tutorial (https://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (https://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. https://www.debian.org/devel/
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19:35<mooff>what does 'ip addr' show in the container?
19:35<mooff>and what is the location of the my.cnf file
19:35<jkc>crazyfrog: Well, let's rewind. Who provided the container?
19:35<jkc>Because mariadb is not provided by Debian as a container.
19:36<crazyfrog>public ip and the lan ip from the my.cnf
19:36<jkc>crazyfrog: Second, enter this: grep -R bind-address /etc/mysql
19:36<jkc>And tell us what the output is.
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19:36<sarnold>I think you'll have more success if you copy-paste the commands and outputs, rather than interpreting them
19:37<crazyfrog>jkc ok i thing you found it, i'll check this in mariadb.conf.d/50-server.cnf:bind-address = 127.0.0.1
19:37<jkc>Correct.
19:38<jkc>Change it there. Remove the bind-address directive that you added.
19:38<jkc>In fact, roll back every change you made to my.cnf, because the section name you used is wrong.
19:38<crazyfrog>ok thx!
19:39<jkc>You're running into two problems: First, the section name was wrong. Second is that MariaDB only supports ONE bind-address directive. Any subsequent one will override the first.
19:39<jkc>And because the "include" directive in my.cnf is AFTER your bind-address directive, any bind-address directive found in included config files will clobber yours.
19:40<jkc>Databases, yo
19:40<mooff>will you're at it, destroy the container. in fact, unplug the server. take out the hard drive. pogo on it with a jackhammer!
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19:41<mooff>crazyfrog: have you had success before with lxc networking?
19:41<mooff>that could be your next challenge
19:41<crazyfrog>mooff, yes its now ok thx
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19:45<userest>hi
19:45<userest>can somebody help me with the nick!ident@host format?
19:46<userest>with irc
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19:48<mooff>userest: try #oftc
19:50<somiaj>what about the format?
19:51<somiaj>and yes, there might be more appropriate channels, but you stated the format, what do you need help doing?
19:51<mooff>perfectly good nerds for the sniping here too i suppose :P
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19:52<userest>basically a server asks me that i have to connect into it with my ident, and not my nick
19:52<userest>and i dont know how to do that
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19:53<jkc>That is probably a better question for the server
19:53<somiaj>Sounds like this question might be best directed to said server (some use to require you had some identd server to verify your ident with too)
19:53<sarnold>what's the exact message?
19:53<somiaj>also depends on your irc client, but for irssi, ident is the 'username' you tell the server you are, which usually defaults to the username used on your machine for many irc clients.
19:53<userest>no message yet
19:54<userest>and for hexchat?
19:55<userest>the ident is the last space where it says USER name?
19:56<userest>-help
19:57<jkc>I've not encountered an IRC server that actually cared about ident in ages.
19:57<userest>yeah its from a pretty old one
19:59<sarnold>I'm pretty sure tor users won't have fun connecting to a network that requires identd
20:00<userest>man ... you whois me?
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20:01<sarnold>yeah, my client whoises everyone when they join any channel I'm in
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20:01<userest>how did you set up the netmask?
20:01<sarnold>I think that's pretty common
20:02<sarnold>what do you mean?
20:02<userest>the 255.255.255.255 thing
20:02<userest>is here a vhost thing here?
20:02<sarnold>yeah, if you set up an account, you can turn on a cloak
20:02<userest>oh
20:03<sarnold>/msg nickserv help register
20:03<userest>yeah i know but requires a verification
20:03<userest>i think
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20:09<userest>so how do i see my acutal ident now?
20:09<sarnold>Wed 01 23:42:58 -!- userest [~userest@7YZAACSE5.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian
20:10<sarnold>your nickname is userest, your username is userest, and the server prepends the ~ to indicate that it isn't verified with identd
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20:11<userest>how did you did that?
20:11<Booda>it shows when u join
20:11<Booda>users dont see
20:11<Booda>others do
20:12<userest>how did you debugged that info from lets ray r3m?
20:12<r3m>?
20:12<userest>your nick name is launch no?
20:13<r3m>no r3m
20:13<r3m>launch is my username
20:13<Booda>r3m name when u whois is launch yes
20:13<userest>and thats is your ident no?
20:13<userest>launh is your ident
20:13<Booda>just google "what is irc"
20:13<r3m>userest: no not when someone have a ~ in front of the username
20:13<userest>launch
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20:14<userest>what would be with the ~
20:14<userest>then
20:14<r3m>it would mean i have used identd
20:15<r3m>the server let people know that i have not used identd
20:15<userest>how would appear with ident?
20:15<r3m>the same but without the tilde
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20:15<userest>like that?
20:15<r3m>yes
20:15<userest>how do you set up ident?
20:16<r3m>there's probably good tutorial on the web
20:16<ach>/whois userest
20:16<userest>i didnt found yet
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20:17<tjcarter>most ircd's still check for it, but I don't know why one would bother setting up an identd.
20:17<userest>just because a server requests it
20:17<sussudio>tjcarter: so the russian and chinese portscanners can find you?
20:18<mooff>it seems unlikely they would require it, userest
20:18<userest>they do trust me
20:18<mooff>to connect? or to get a vhost?
20:18<tjcarter>fake identds are more common now than real ones
20:18<userest>r3m whent does nick!ident@host prompt¿
20:19<userest>?
20:19<sussudio>you're on tor, userest, why would anyone trust you
20:19<userest>;(
20:19<tuxd3v>hello guys,
20:19<tuxd3v>I have mate installed
20:20<tuxd3v>mate status volume icon is always crashing and disapearing from the panel :/
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20:20<tuxd3v>I then launched it on shell, and here is the output:
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20:20<tuxd3v>https://paste.debian.net/hidden/e1b13080/
20:21<tuxd3v>I need to be several times a week launching it: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/e1b13080/
20:21<tuxd3v>I mean /usr/bin/mate-volume-control-status-icon
20:21<Booda>just coz ur a tor user doesnt mean ur un trust worthy lol, just dont u to know where i live lol
20:21<tjcarter>nullidentd is trivil
20:21<tjcarter>trivial even
20:21<userest>kek
20:21<Booda>4chan user^
20:21<userest>what do you want me to say
20:22<tjcarter>oidentd also spews out random trash for a username if configured to
20:22<sussudio>userest: are you actually marwan
20:22<userest>no
20:22<sarnold>userest: doing identd requires the server to contact your computer on port 113 or something to ask your computer which userid owns a specific socket
20:23<sarnold>userest: that's just not going to happen with tor
20:23<mooff>the contacting your computer on port 113 or the identifying the socket?
20:24<mooff>what server are you trying to connect to?!
20:25<sarnold>with tor, it's just some random exit machine, and there's basically zero chance it's going to be running an identd on the right port, and if *is*, there's no way it's going to provide the right answer
20:25<mooff>ah, doh
20:25<tjcarter>sussudio: given that marwan's been on several times over several days asking very basic questions while trying to run a very-not-basic-question-friendly "hacking" distribution (and asking us here how to configure it) … and that he was coming in over tor and changed nicks and whatnot several times … but never worked out how to report a different username apparently …
20:26<tjcarter>sussudio: and the sudden interest in identd over tor …
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20:28<mooff>requiring ident sounds interesting for a hacking server
20:29<tjcarter>like I said, there's more fake identds now than real ones
20:29<mooff>sure
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20:29<tjcarter>and I don't think anyone but irc really uses it anymore
20:29<tjcarter>and there it's almost never required because … why bother?
20:30<jkc>And even then, IRC puts more stock in who/how you auth than ident.
20:30<tjcarter>irc over tor makes me lol in and of itself.
20:30<mooff>'we need to contact your ip on port 113' still makes anon connections difficult
20:31<mooff>you know who should use ident for irc? Matrix.
20:31<tjcarter>it does defeat the purpose of an anonymizing network
20:32<Booda>tjcarter: not really
20:32<tjcarter>at least it pretty well would allow authorities to pretty accurately determine which input was which output pretty quick
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20:33<mooff>guess you're right there
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20:34<mooff>well.. it's complicated
20:34<tjcarter>plus isn't the inherent lag of tor going to cause an ircd to give up asking before it gets an answer?
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20:35<mooff>ircds were built when the internet was made of lag
20:36<sarnold>lol, excellent way of putting it :)
20:37<tjcarter>but it'd still serve the purpose "hey, would you mind submitting a fingerprint for the feds?" "Sure, I am <RELATIVELY UNIQUE STRING>"
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20:57<alex11>the internet is still made of lag
20:57<alex11>and javascript
21:01<tjcarter>hence the lag
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21:50<urk>Does anyone see something wrong with my Lightdm Configuration file http://paste.debian.net/1210002/
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21:50<urk> ???
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21:54<mooff>looks like nothing's wrong with it
21:54<mooff>what happens?
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21:54<sarnold>urk: it looks like it's all comments, except for a section header or two..
21:55<urk>Here is the results of running LightDM in test mode http://paste.debian.net/1210003/ As you can see, there is something wrong with seat "0". This should be something that can be fixed in the configuration file, but not sure how to do it.
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21:56<urk>The error from seat0 is pretty much the same error that was displayed when running XFDesktop which is supposed to reboot XFCE.
21:57<urk>Light DM is not starting which is why I have targeted it as the current problem.
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22:00<Sqrt{not}>urk, what is happening here?: [+0.01s] DEBUG: XServer 1: Can't launch X server Xephyr, not found in path
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22:01<Sqrt{not}>sigh, too slows
22:02<bremner>heh. Help me fast or not at all.
22:04<mooff>i think they'll be back
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22:05<mooff>it must use Xephyr for --test-mode
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22:05<mooff>probably not related to why it won't work 'for reals'
22:06<Sqrt{not}>just noticed the first line of that paste: sudo su
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22:07<mooff>hehe
22:07<jkc>People really need to stop doing that.
22:08<bremner>what is the motivation? not learning about sudo -s?
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22:10<Urk>I am back
22:10<Urk>but in a web based session.
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22:10<Urk>I still cant get my display manager to start, and wondering if anyone sees something out of the ordinary in the configuration file?
22:10<Urk>I am running Lightdm
22:11<sarnold>Urk: man you've gotta stop disconnecting all the time :) 11 minutes ago Sqrt{not} pointed out an error that looks relevant
22:11<Urk>http://paste.debian.net/1210002/ http://paste.debian.net/1210003/
22:11<sarnold>[+0.01s] DEBUG: XServer 1: Can't launch X server Xephyr, not found in path
22:11<sarnold>now, is it not found in the path because it is using the sudo su path? or does it have a 'real' path?
22:12<Urk>I had to disconnect because I don't have a display manager, and can only see one screen at a time. To get around this problem I have switched to the web based version of IRC>
22:12<mooff>Urk: press Ctrl+Alt+F3, login, and look at the output of: sudo journalctl -u lightdm
22:12<sarnold>or do you have Xephr configured but not installed?
22:12<Urk>sarnold: You talking to me?
22:12<mooff>sarnold: Xephyr is an X server as an X client - X within X - like Xnest
22:12<mooff>i think it's only used for lightdm's test mode
22:12<sarnold>does it work if you use sudo -i to get a better PATH?
22:13<sarnold>Urk: yes
22:13<sarnold>mooff: 'test mode'? dunno.. all I know is it's an error in a log file from the thing he's trying to start :)
22:14<mooff>yeah they started lightdm with --test-mode to try and get an error :)
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22:15<sarnold>*oh*
22:15<sarnold>so that log might not be helpful at all, then? heh
22:15<sarnold>thanks mooff :)
22:15<mooff>yeah, i reckon
22:16<mooff>they really want what's in the journal from the actual launch lol
22:16<sarnold>yes
22:16<mooff>!termbin
22:16<dpkg>you can paste to termbin.com from terminal with redirections: try 'nc termbin.com 9999 < /path/to/file', or 'command | nc termbin.com 9999'
22:17<mooff>i guess: sudo journalctl -u lightdm | nc termbin.com 9999
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22:21<Urk>I am back. http://paste.debian.net/1210002/ and http://paste.debian.net/1210003/ I went to the command line with Ctrl Alt F1, but it wouldn't return to the desktop so I had to reboot.
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22:22<mooff>Ctrl Alt F1 will typically take you to the desktop
22:22<mooff>that, or one of the other function keys
22:22<mooff>wait up.. lightdm won't work but you have a desktop? :D
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22:24<Urk>moof: I have a desktop, and my command line works without having to go to Ctrl Alt F1, but the display manager doesn't work so I can only look at one window at a time unless another window is closed.
22:25<Urk>I have moved IRC to the web based version which helps a lot since it doesn't requires as many windows.
22:25<Urk>Now what was that comment that Sqrt found earlier?
22:25<mooff>ah, so - earlier, you said window manager, but called it lightdm, so i said you might mean display manager
22:25<mooff>but you really do mean window manager, and lightdm is probably working fine
22:25<Urk>Yes, I mean display manager.
22:25<mooff>if lightdm wasn't working, you couldn't login
22:25<mooff>you would see no windows at a time :)
22:26<Urk>Lightdm is not working, and that is illustrated by the debug report at http://paste.debian.net/1210003/
22:26<mooff>if you saw a login screen, and could login, then lightdm is working
22:26<Urk>This corresponds with the same error message I have been receiving when running the command xfdesktop to refresh xfce.
22:26<mooff>the paste shows only that it doesn't work in test mode, while you are logged in
22:27<mooff>because Xephyr is not installed - which is a program that runs a nested X server in an existing session
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22:27<Urk>I am getting error messages about light dm in both the debug mode, and also when running xfdesktop. xfdesktop says it is missing at position "0".
22:28<Urk>So am I supposed to install Xephyr?
22:28<mooff>i don't think you want or need Xephyr
22:28<mooff>can you paste the output of xfdesktop which mentions that error?
22:28<Urk>hold on
22:28<mooff>and also the output of 'ps auxf' while you are logged in
22:29<Urk>Let me try doing it with Ctrl Alt, F1. The command line tool won't work in this session otherwise.
22:29<mooff>wait up
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22:30<mooff>:P
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22:31<Urk>For some reason Ctrl, Alt, F1 isn't returning me to the desktop so I now have to reboot.
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22:33<mooff>hey Urk
22:33<Urk>Had to shut down the browser to get my command line tool to work, but no error is displayed when running xfdesktop. However, earlier the error message said "missing lightdm at position '0' "
22:33<mooff>Ctrl Alt F2, Ctrl Alt F3, all of the Fx's to find your desktop next time
22:34<Urk>Yeah I found the, and have to reboot my machine because it isn't returning to the desktop when I am done.
22:35<mooff>i'm wondering.. maybe xfce isn't actually running
22:35<mooff>maybe you're logging in to a plain xterm
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22:35<Urk>So why does this debut report indicate "server stopped at position '0' " http://paste.debian.net/1210003/
22:35<mooff>in which case.. when you log in graphically and have no window manager.. try running: xfce4-session
22:36<Urk>XFCE is definitely running. What isn't running is Lightdm
22:36<Urk>I have a windows manager. I am missing a display manager.
22:36<Urk>All of my xfce menus and tools are available and working. The display manager is not.
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22:36<Urk>What did Sqrt{not} say about this earlier?
22:36<mooff>so you see the xfce panels, but no window title bars?
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22:37<Urk>Not sure what you mean by no window title bars.
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22:37<mooff>can you upload a screenshot?
22:37<Urk>I see everything like I normally do, but can't have more than one window open at a time.
22:37<Urk>Screenshot of what?
22:37<mooff>your desktop
22:38<mooff>when you open another window, it doesn't appear in the window list in your XFCE panel?
22:38<mooff>what happens when you Alt Tab ?
22:38<Urk>Example: If I have a brower open then I can't enter text into the command line. If I close the browser then I can enter the txt in the command line, and the same situation appears with every program: only one program at a time will work. I assume this is a problem with the Display manager, and suspect the Debug reports shows this as well.
22:39<mooff>can you resize windows and move them around?
22:39<Urk>If I open another window, it appears in the XFCE list, but I can't enter any text into it..
22:39<mooff>can you click it with the mouse?
22:39<Urk>I can not use hexchat with my browser open so to get around that I am using web based irc.
22:39<mooff>does clicking it raise it above other windows (take focus)?
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22:40<Urk>This problem has been going on for a few days now.
22:40<Urk>Once the command line tool is open the window an not be moved unless the browser is closed, and it won't let me enter text as well. Same goes for any other program: only one program at a time works.
22:41<Urk>So do you see anything wrong with the debug report? There seems to be errors in there? I just don't know how to effect a change that will improve my situation.
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22:41<Urk>I tried uninstalling, and reinstalling lightdm, but that didn't do anything. HOwever, online instructions seem to indicate there is something else that had to be tinkered with in order to clean up a non-working lightdm.
22:42<Urk>I can't raise a 2nd program above another window, and there is no focus.
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22:43<mooff>i think the error about lightdm is a red herring, caused by trying to run xfdesktop in a virtual terminal (e.g. Ctrl Alt F7)
22:43<mooff>i really think lightdm is working, and your problem is with XFCE
22:43<mooff>does Alt Tab work?
22:43<Urk>You might be right, but it doesn't act like an XFCE problem. I have run the xfdesktop tool and no errors are showing up.
22:44<Urk>What do you recommend? Haven't had a lot of trouble with XFCE, and when there is a problem it is usually a menu that disappears which can be fixed with xfdesktop, etc.
22:44<Urk>I am not running xfdesktop in a virtual terminal.
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22:46<Urk>I am in Debian kernel 4.19 This problem first occurred after upgrading to Kernel 5.10 Initially the bottom menu was missing, and I tried to change the background color from the hideous dark blue in 5.10, and immediately the system crashed when I selected the color tool. At that point I decided to go back to kernel 4.19 with Timeshift/rsync, but
22:46<Urk>the display problem followed me.
22:46<mooff>i'd try copying ~/.config/xfce4 to a backup location, then deleting it, logging out then in again
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22:47<mooff>to see if it's a problem with the xfce config on the account
22:48<Urk>I am going to have to close this browser to do it since I have no focus at the command line too. I will try again going to Ctrl Alt F3, but previously it wouldn't let me return to the deskop.
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22:50<mooff>i suspect when you upgraded to bullseye, there was something in your config that was incompatible with the new XFCE version
22:51<mooff>and, that running the new XFCE modified your config in a way that now isn't compatible with the old XFCE
22:51<mooff>(or something along those lines)
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22:58<Urk>Hmm. Ctrl Alt F7 brought be back without a reboot. Where exactly is this /.config/xfce4 located at?
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22:58<Urk>Now I am wondering if I am running XFCE4? Or XFCE4.2?
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23:06<mooff>Urk: find ~/.config -name '*xfce*'
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23:09<Urk>I get an error message "no such file or directory".
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23:20<mooff>you must have run it as root
23:20<mooff>run it as your normal user instead
23:21<mooff>or else: find /home/pdq -name 'xfce'
23:21<mooff>find /home/pdq -name '*xfce*'
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23:21<mooff>^^
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23:31<Urk>Test
23:31<Urk>Any thoughts on how to copy the configuration file to a backup, and restart x?
23:31<Urk>Instructions I have are as follows: <svartoyg> urk: stop x, run "mv ~/.config/xfce4 ~/.config/xfce4.bak" (frame buffer console) and restart x
23:31<Urk>How do I stop X?
23:32<mooff>reboot the machine, switch to a virtual terminal (Ctrl Alt F3) -- BEFORE you login
23:32<mooff>then run the mv command there...
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23:32<mooff>then switch back to the login screen with Ctrl Alt F something..
23:32<mooff>then login 👍️
23:33<Urk>Do I need to stop "X" first?
23:33<mooff>not if you reboot, then switch to a terminal without logging in graphically
23:33<mooff>easiest way
23:35<Urk>how do I stop x without rebooting?
23:37<Sqrt{not}>urk, who is svartoyg?
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23:37<Urk>Someone from #xfce from quite some time ago.
23:38<Urk>These are notes I saved for xfce4 issues, but I haven't had a lot of problems until the upgrade to kernel 5.10
23:38<Urk>In fact, I haven't had any since svartoyg helped.
23:38<Urk>I am going to reboot.
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23:49<AndroUser>I lost my entire dsktop after trying copy and mice the configuration file
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23:49<AndroUser>Im now on my phone.
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23:50<mooff>if .config/xfce4 doesn't exist, xfce should start up like on a fresh install
23:50<mooff>move the folder back to get to your previous 'working' state
23:51<mooff>then at that point i would try a new user account: sudo adduser pleasework
23:51<mooff>and see if stuff works there
23:52<urk>I moved it back, and still have no desktop.
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23:58<mooff>try creating a new user account.
23:59<urk>Nah, thats not the right way to fix this problem.
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