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---Logopened Fri Sep 10 00:00:03 2021
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00:03*enyc meows
00:04<enyc>mooff: is this something you do (overlayofs) or see already done in embedded-distro arrangements, live disks, etc?
00:05<mooff>enyc: i have used a couple of overlays for fun, practicality, at least once in production
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00:05<mooff>once on a Raspberry Pi to unify a handful of USB drives for presenting to a PS2 over Samba
00:06<twb>That sounds like a job better handled by mount --bind
00:06<twb>(or even just directly inside smb.conf, maybe)
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00:09<mooff>yeah, that could present subdirectories
00:09<mooff>an overlay was able to present files in a flat list for the title browser
00:09<twb>mooff: mount --bind works on regular files also
00:10<thatohgi_>Good evening (at least where I am), I am trying to install balenetcher on mint 20.2. I don't know where the file is going after i unzip it with zenity. If anyone can point me in the right direction I would really appreciate it.
00:10<mooff>cool twb
00:10<mooff>thatohgi_: do not use the url for the program that ends in .eu
00:10<mooff>it is a malicious phishing attack
00:11<mooff>only get it from balena.io/etcher
00:11<somiaj>!mint
00:11<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
00:11<somiaj>thatohgi_: you should go ask mint support about mint
00:11<twb>zenity is doing file-roller's job now?
00:11<mooff>!etcher
00:11<dpkg>Etcher is not a reliable way to copy Debian images for installation. Instead, use cp or dd for linux or win32diskimager for Windows. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.en.html
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00:12<somiaj>mooff: that may or may not apply to mint images though
00:12<somiaj>or maybe that is some other conversation...
00:12<mooff>i think that message may have been added recently in response to the .eu version not working
00:12<somiaj>ahh
00:12<mooff>i think i remember expecting it not to, but someone thought it was
00:13<mooff>i want to update it because i think the eu imitator is more important
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00:13<mooff>and wouldn't hurt to get validation on if the true version works. i can't think why it wouldn't..
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00:15<thatohgi_>Thanks, I got the file from Balena. The file is good, the resource I am following (for an older version of balena so file names are different, and I do not know where Zenity is putting the file or what the name is changing to.
00:16<mooff>dpkg: etcher is There has been a potentially malicious imitation of Balena Etcher distributed by an unknown actor, served on a .eu domain. Balena do not own this. Only get Etcher from balena.io/etcher. Confirmation welcome on if the official version still works, as there have been reports of problems with the unknown imitation.
00:16<dpkg>...but etcher is already something else...
00:16<mooff>dpkg: dwim
00:16<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, dwim is Do What I Mean, programming mantra
00:16<thatohgi_>I asked on the mint chat earlier today and they seemed more confused than I was and directed me to the balena website.
00:17<thatohgi_>Is there another program like balena that might be better? I am pretty new to this so I am just going by what I can find on google and forums.
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00:17<somiaj>mooff: also don't remove the old info there, being able to tell people to not use etcher but to use win32diskmanager should also be in the factoid
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00:17<somiaj>mooff: and the syntax is 'no factoid is ..' I belive
00:17<mooff>thatohgi_: do you want to be a guinea pig?
00:17<mooff>lol, is it
00:18<thatohgi_>Thats what I am doing here ;) breaking my laptop until it works the way I wnat ti to
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00:18<thatohgi_>(sorry about the horrific typing, I'll slow down)
00:18<somiaj>mooff: or make a new factoid with that info, and include a 'see <foo>' in the original one
00:20<mooff>i think it should be on !etcher because it's potentially malware infection saving
00:20<mooff>at least temporarily
00:21<somiaj>I agree the info is useful, but the factoid is mostly going to be used to tell people not to use it for debian images
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00:21<mooff>do you remember it being used before August?
00:22<somiaj>so maybe create a new one called 'malicious etcher' and add a, warning see <malicious etcher> to the etcher factoid
00:22<somiaj>It gets used fairly often as a quick way to help users who use etcher with a debian iso and can't install
00:22<mooff>thatohgi_: is the file you have called balena-etcher-electron-1.5.122-linux-x64.zip?
00:22<mooff>somiaj: okie, cool
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00:23<somiaj>thatohgi_: if your plan is to use mint, you are in the wrong spot, their installer images may have different considerations
00:24<enyc>thatohgi_: also, mint includes some sot of "mintstick" "usb image writer" once running... you can use that to write debian/other images without complication, I *think*
00:25<mooff>dpkg, malicious etcher is There has been a potentially malicious imitation of Balena Etcher distributed by an unknown actor on a .eu domain. Balena do not own this. Only get Etcher from balena.io/etcher. Verification welcome if the official version works or not, to keep !etcher from getting stale. See <etcher>.
00:25<dpkg>mooff: okay
00:26<somiaj>does etcher now have a dd mode, seems a lot more tools are now providing that at least as a checkbox option
00:27<mooff>dpkg, no etcher is Etcher is not a reliable way to copy Debian images for installation. Instead, use cp or dd for linux or win32diskimager for Windows. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.en.html Also, see <malicious etcher>
00:27<dpkg>mooff: what are you talking about?
00:27<mooff>god knows, dpkg
00:27<somiaj>!etcher
00:27<dpkg>Etcher is not a reliable way to copy Debian images for installation. Instead, use cp or dd for linux or win32diskimager for Windows. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.en.html
00:27<themill>dpkg, etcher is also See <malicious etcher>
00:27<dpkg>okay, themill
00:28<thatohgi_>Thanks for the help! Sorry about the delayed reply
00:28<mooff>thanks themill
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00:35<mooff>thatohgi_: https://mooff.awful.cooking/71535e5b0aaba1a6/image.png
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01:14<twb>On a normal Debian install, "systemctl status" lists no gettys, because they're started on demand.
01:14<twb>*BUT*, my debian-live minimal image, shows 6 gettys are running, on top of the serial one I'm actually using
01:15<twb>What's that all about?
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01:43<mooff>maybe it facilitates communication for some arcane or weird set ups
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06:07<aduialthin[m]>In Debian 11, I install cal by `apt-get install bsdmainutils`, but I notice that in the past executing `cal` will display the calendar with today highlighted. However, a while ago (a few months ago in this year), executing `cal` only show this month's calendar without today being highlighted. Anything's changed? And how can I enable to highlight today again?
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06:19<Tj>aduialthin[m]: I recall this being asked some months ago, and if you check the changelog going way back, there was a change related to that
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06:22<mooff>that change is to account for 2020. we have shifted off the normal Gregorian axis onto the complex plane, so today is nor truly == 10th September, for instance
06:22<mooff>** not
06:24<mooff>ah. so 'man cal' says you can use -h to turn off today highlighting
06:24<mooff>but 'cal -h' prints usage like it's saying 'what are you doing'
06:25<mooff>it lists 'ncal' as having a '-h'
06:25<mooff>just ncal on its own looks like the program you were used to
06:25<aduialthin[m]>yeah i find now i have to use `ncal` instead.
06:25<aduialthin[m]>Though I am fine with that, it's nice to know the story behind that change as well.
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06:26<aduialthin[m]>I read the change log /usr/share/doc/ncal/changelog.gz but doesn't understand very well. It seems originally it's not highlighted. So now it's turned of to conform the past (posix?) style?
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06:47<FLD>how do you disable fwupd from automatically running?
06:48<sussudio>no idea if systemd is handling it, but you used to do it with update-rc.d -f fwupd remove
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06:56<petn-randall>FLD: You can either uninstall it, or just disable the service if you want to do it manually.
06:57<FLD>well id like to reserve the capability of running it if needed
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07:00<petn-randall>FLD: `systemctl disable fwupd` should do the trick then.
07:00<FLD>what about fwupd-offline-update.service, fwupd-refresh.service and fwupd-refresh.timer?
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07:01<FLD>what are they? what do they do? are they also disabled by that?
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07:03<petn-randall>FLD: Ok, then you need to be more specific what exactly you don't want to run, and why.
07:03<petn-randall>FLD: Most services come with a description.
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07:05<FLD>i see pointless activations of fwupd spamming my logs and a seemingly pointless process of /usr/libexec/fwupd/fwupd idling with 17 megs of memory
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07:07<FLD>% sudo fwupdate -l failed: Error opening directory “/sys/firmware/efi/esrt/entries”: No such file or directory
07:07<FLD>doesn't look like its working anyways
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07:09<FLD>there. talked myself out of wanting to keep this "capability"
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07:10<grawity>I see you trying one (deprecated) module of the package and concluding that the dozen others aren't going to work either
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07:22<mr_claus>Tj: it seems it worked with debootstrap to install Debian on the APU, it's in progress. Perhaps there are ready to use images available with activiated ttyS0 (emergency image) to run debootstrap, but i didn't find some ...
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07:32<pipedream>has anyone else had Zoom.us crashing issues since upgrading to bullseye? (especially when closing a chat window)
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07:34<pipedream>it's been a week now; several students desktops crash with the zoom chat window flickering and desktop/keyboard/mouse completely unresponsive (zoom audio continues). I can ssh in and kill zoom and nothing changes at the deskop.
07:35<bremner>that's the electron app? I have been mercifully zoom free for the last month, so no personal experience.
07:35<bremner>oh right, zoom makes it hard to use anything but their electron thingy, nvm
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07:59<mtnman>helo
07:59<mtnman>having trouble with
08:00<mtnman>with X forwarding
08:02<mtnman>i log into the remote host with "ssh -X host" and then do "export GDK+BACKEND=x11"
08:02<mtnman>after that when i run firefox i get a message "cant open display.."
08:03<bremner>did you mean GDK_BACKEND?
08:03<mooff>i believe so
08:05<mooff>make sure you have "X11Forwarding" enabled in your sshd config
08:06<mooff>it won't error when you connect with -X or -Y if it is disabled, until you try to use it
08:07<mooff>i don't think you have to set the GDK_BACKEND variable
08:07<mooff>try to leave it blank
08:07<mooff>unless you are using Wayland and trying to make it run in xwayland, and then.. i'm out
08:08<mtnman>~
08:08<mtnman>yes sorry GDK_BACKEND
08:08<mooff>try: unset GDK_BACKEND
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08:10<mtnman>remote host runs wayland so i've needed to set GDK_BACKEMD when connecting to this box inthe past
08:10<mooff>pipedream: can you collect any logs from it when it crashes?
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08:10<mooff>mtnman: have you had that working with SSH forwarding before?
08:11<jm_>did it set correct DISPLAY value? is xauth installed on that system?
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08:11<mooff>i think i remember that Wayland exposes a C ABI rather than a socket interface
08:11<mtnman>yes, but i just remmbered i reinstalled os on remote host and didn't edit sshd_config
08:11<mooff>if that weren't the case you could use your local Wayland as the compositor, surely
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08:12<mooff>cool
08:12<mtnman>also i do need to set GDK_BACKEND because local machine runs x11 and remote runs wayland
08:13<mooff>how do you make sure the programs run with xwayland on the remote?
08:13<mooff>what do you do with Wayland-only apps?
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08:14<mtnman>dunno about wayland only apps. im mostly concerned about firefox at the moment
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08:16<mooff>have at it
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08:28<mtnman>no success yet. hve set "X11Forwarding yes" and "export DISPLAY=remotehost:0" but when i run firefox (on remote host) it still cannot open display
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08:29<bremner>DISPLAY should be localhost:0 to have ssh forward
08:29<bremner>err. localhost:10 or so
08:29<jm_>:11
08:29<bremner>anyway, ssh should set it
08:29<jm_>indeed
08:30<jm_>check what ssh client listens on
08:30<jm_>err not ssh client, sshd serving your login
08:31<mtnman>ok DISPLAY=localhost:10.0
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08:32<mtnman>Gtk-WARNING that it cannot open display: localhost:10.0
08:33<vicky>hi, how do we reopen bugs in debian ?
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08:36<jm_>vicky: https://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS
08:37<jm_>which points to https://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control
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08:38<vicky>jm_: thanks
08:38<bremner>the bts command is handy if your machine is set up to send mail
08:39<Sebastinas>If you reopen a bug, some words on why would be nice, though.
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08:39<bremner>that's true, bts is a bit terse
08:39<vicky>thanks
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08:41<mooff>maintainers will rue the day i was shown how to use reportbug
08:43<pipedream>mooff: yes, and I have sent the zoom crash logs off to zoom support
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08:53<mooff>okay, hopefully zoom support can help
08:53<mooff>some Debian eyes might be interested in seeing what's wrong with it, too
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09:28<alejandro>***** five stars to OFTC stay open to tor
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09:29<vicky>reopen bugnumber [ originator-address | = | ! ], If I want the original submitter as the originator of the report, what should be the syntax?
09:29<bentham>alejandro: you might want to join #tor; it is the official Tor channel and has been for many years.
09:29<ansgar>vicky: Then you don't add anything after the bug number.
09:29<vicky>ansgar: okay
09:30<alejandro>ho yeah yeah
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09:30<alejandro>bentham: tnx
09:31<bentham>no problem
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09:33<vicky>ansgar: I get this message now - Not altering archived bugs; see unarchive.
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09:34<vicky>so combine reopen with unarchive ?
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09:43<HAL_6900>Where can I find the Debian Theme for Grub?
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09:47<alejandro>how I get the list of channels of the server?
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09:47<mooff>HAL_6900: GRUB_BACKGROUND="/usr/share/images/desktop-base/desktop-grub.png"
09:47<mooff>in /etc/defaults/grub
09:47<bentham>presumably /list -yes
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09:50<grove>When I do /list (i.e. without as '-yes
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09:52<grove>+), it says that it has to be '-YES' (i.e. capital letters) - and that's it's a bad idea (I can imagine, so I won't try)
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09:53<bremner>is there some better replacement (like alis on libera.chat)?
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09:53<alejandro>errmmm something strange is happening here. I type join channel and nothing opens.!!!
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09:54<alejandro>am I blacklisted?
09:54<bentham>I doubt it.
09:55<bentham>you could also try /list >100 to get channels with more than 100 clients
09:55<bentham>e.g.
09:55<mooff>i think you should try libera, alejandro
09:55<mooff>lots of social channels there in /list
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10:10<Q-FUNK>the maintainer for src:isc-dhcp seems to be AWOL. a new upstream was released a year before Bullseye came out and remains unpackged.
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10:11<azeem>Q-FUNK: seems to be a minor update, judging by the version number?
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10:15<Q-FUNK>azeem: given how all recent uploads are NMU
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10:18<azeem>... by the security team, it seem
10:18<azeem>s
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10:19<bremner>Q-FUNK: is there already a wishlist bug asking for the new version?
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10:39<Q-FUNK>bremner: bug#975729
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10:40<Q-FUNK>filed, updated for a more recent release. not acknowledged.
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10:41<azeem>Q-FUNK: what's your actual problem?
10:42<Q-FUNK>bug #975729, which I'm pretty sure didn't exist at the previous debian release.
10:42<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/975729 in src:isc-dhcp (open): «isc-dhcp: Please upgrade to latest upstream release 4.4.2-P1»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2020-11-25; last modified: 2021-08-24.
10:43<Q-FUNK>argh
10:43<Q-FUNK>bug #992384
10:43<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/992384 in isc-dhcp-client (open): «isc-dhcp-client: default domain-search incorrectly appends a period»; severity: important; opened: 2021-08-18; last modified: 2021-08-18.
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10:44<azeem>and the new version fixes that?
10:46<Q-FUNK>I haven't checked. it's nonetheless a bugfix release. it should not have remained unpackaged for close to 2 years.
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10:48<Q-FUNK>looking at the tracker, there's 166 bugs. many of these seem to date back from dhcp-3
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10:50<bremner>!refund
10:50<jkc>Is the issue that a bug report exists, or that there's actually a problem?
10:50<jkc>You'd think that people would have more immediate issues.
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10:51<somiaj>It is a bit hard to get newer packages into debian if the matainer's real life gets in the way, just because NMU are mainly for rc bug fixes only
10:52<somiaj>But unless you want to try to adopt the package, outside of a wishlist bug not much that can be done (and adopting requires the maintainers permission, which if they are too busy will often give)
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10:57<mooff>https://wiki.debian.org/LowThresholdNmu
11:00<bremner>somiaj: not sure if you meant to be helping Q-FUNK, but they left
11:00<somiaj>ahh missed that
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11:44<sirmanuel>My plank panel is erasing the icons by itself
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13:17<OtisLC>I want to respectfully report I was chatting offtopic and was blocked. without offence to anyone!
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13:18<OtisLC>I just told a person was a troll.
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13:23<OtisLC>I am really disapointed that an operator could do that.
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13:38<FLD>who ruined paste.debian.org
13:38<FLD>bunch of "Could not add your entry to the paste database:" today
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13:44<sney>it's a service run by one developer, it doesn't always work perfectly. there are other pastebins you can use. termbin is handy:
13:44<sney>!termbin
13:44<dpkg>you can paste to termbin.com from terminal with redirections: try 'nc termbin.com 9999 < /path/to/file', or 'command | nc termbin.com 9999'
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13:57<somiaj>termbin is so nice, would be nice to see paste.debian.net adopt that option...
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15:41<tlund>anyone involved in hosting the machine that is IPv6 security.debian.org? it has been refusing to serve files for quite some time now :(
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15:43<sney>tlund: that would be DSA, https://dsa.debian.org/ - but debian-security for at least buster and bullseye is available on deb.debian.org and other mirrors as well
15:44<tlund>sney: found #debian-security here :)
15:44<sney>so if what you need is a security sources.list entry, just 'deb https://deb.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main' will do
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15:44<sney>that's the security team and not necessarily the server admins, but I guess they would probably know
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17:41<spawacz>is there a way to make a command run everytime a file is modified? I would like to write things in vim and have second console execute a command with this file as i save
17:41<spawacz>so i do not have to exit vim and run it manually
17:41<spawacz>or switch consoles
17:42<sney>can't you do like :w ! command_here
17:43<sarnold>spawacz: directly doing what you want, yeah, the incron package might do what you asked
17:43<sarnold>spawacz: using vim's :make features or similar may do a more useful thing for you, depending upon what you're trying to do
17:43<imMute>spawacz: look at fanotify
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17:44<somiaj>I too would suggest just have vim do the running of the command, and not some hook based on a file write
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19:38<tuxd3v>hello,
19:38<tuxd3v>why debian, doesn't use:
19:38<tuxd3v>HOME_MODE 0700
19:38<tuxd3v>in /etc/login.defs
19:38<tuxd3v>?
19:38<jkc>https://wiki.debian.org/UserPrivateGroups
19:39<tuxd3v>why should we end with our home *private* folder with 0755 permissions?
19:39<tuxd3v>its not private that way :/
19:39<jkc>Because its trivial to set anything under it to 0700. You are also welcome to change the default. It's YOUR system.
19:40<jkc>I generally reconfigure it to 0750.
19:40<jkc>But ymmv.
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19:43<tuxd3v>it should be by default on 0700 for security reasons, in my opinion
19:43<sarnold>most computers are single-user computers these days
19:43<sarnold>it mostly doesn't matter
19:44<sarnold>for people who care, it's about a minute of work to change the defaults and change all existing home directories
19:45<jkc>tuxd3v: That's your opinion. :) The opinion of the Debian maintainers, for YEARS, has been otherwise.
19:45<jkc>And given the realities of the overwhelming majority of systems, I agree with that.
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20:58<sney>got a fast new ssd for my laptop so I did a fresh install of bullseye as if I were a newbie, to see how good it is from that perspective
20:59<sney>used a live dvd image, fumbled through calamares (I'm genuinely unfamiliar with calamares) and did as much postinstall stuff through the gui as I could - and wound up with a setup that I'm pretty happy with, actually
20:59<dvs>!prize sney
20:59*dpkg gives sney a beer.
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21:00<sarnold>sney: ooo shiny :D
21:01<sney>particularly pleased that calamares got me an encrypted root partition without needing to use LVM. the luks passphrase prompt is at the grub stage now, and the only thing that's unencrypted is /boot/efi.
21:01<sney>and that was just by checking a box to encrypt the partition, and then entering a passphrase
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21:36<mooff>ooh
21:36*mooff also passes sney a beer
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21:45<mooff>anyone have any Audacity alternatives that they like?
21:46<sussudio>i'm still using goldwave on an old p4 running xp.
21:49<dvs>mooff: don't like audacity?
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22:03<sney>audacity for small stuff, ardour for serious audio work (so usually audacity)
22:04<sney>audacity upstream's silly phone home nonsense is disabled in the debian packages, if that's what you're worried about, mooff
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22:10<dvs>,v ardour
22:10<judd>Package: ardour on amd64 -- stretch: 1:5.5.0~dfsg-1+b1; buster: 1:5.12.0-3; bookworm: 1:6.5.0+ds0-1; bullseye: 1:6.5.0+ds0-1; sid: 1:6.5.0+ds0-1
22:11<dvs>hmmmm
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22:24<mooff>https://mooff.awful.cooking/8111f63f666772b4/audacity.png
22:25<mooff>the UI sizing is much too inconsistent, and the dB meter in particular is too awkward too read
22:25<mooff>the waveform can only be zoomed by factors of two
22:25<mooff>i find it awkward to use overall
22:26<sney>yeah, it's a one-trick pony and if you're doing a lot you may as well switch to a real DAW. like ardour, or any of the others (the others usually cost money)
22:27<mooff>i'm optimistic about it being redesigned by the new MuseScore UI guy
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22:28<mooff>a friend had mentioned they were impressed by the new MuseScore design as a long time user
22:29<mooff>currently i'm just looking for something to let me normalize, fade in / fade out tracks that I print from Bitwig
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22:29<mooff>with a full version of Bitwig i could find a workflow in Bitwig itself, but the 8-track version doesn't let me open a new project simultaneously, for instance
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22:30<sney>ok, well, the only free software audio editor with a shallow learning curve is audacity, or whatever audacity fork since that snafu a few months ago.
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22:31<sney>it's tbh amazing that linux users got one at all, there isn't really an irfanview for us, or other middle-range utilities
22:32<sney>if audacity won't cut it, you could probably emulate goldwave, and those are your choices
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22:37<mooff>thanks very much :-)
22:39<onelegend>audacity is awesome
22:39<onelegend>I'm gonna still use it
22:39<onelegend>I don't give a shit about the ownership change
22:39*dvs stops onelegend from using audacity
22:40<mooff>yeah, i just want good free software
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22:40<mooff>if they help to engooden it, happy days
22:42<mooff>i still love Audacity for e.g. recording from Jack
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23:09<lhvf>Hello to Everyone! By following here → < https://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/2021/09/10 >, I can say to mooff , that there is a Professional (Domestical) Audio Editor popular for Windows called SoundForge, that could be suffice to edit minimal detail in the audio modular wave. I could stay that (even being Trial software foe evaluatio), that specific piece of software would be the suffice to basical editings needings (for Windows and macOS).
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23:12<sney>this shit again
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23:14<lhvf>sney: Sorry. I'll try to improve (again) my conversations.
23:15<lhvf>mooff: It may be more difficult to a people with less techinical knowledge, but is at least of could get a good-quality result (for a regular user (domestic niche (?) ), with the intention of good Professional Audio editings).
23:15<lhvf>mooff: An old guy that I know, with considerable acoustic knowledge used SoundForge (formerly (old) Sonic SoundForge), (nowadays Magix Trialware software) Professionally
23:16<lhvf>even being Trial software *for* *evaluation*(typo..)
23:17<lhvf>Reference: < https://www.videohelp.com/software/Sound-Forge >
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23:26<lhvf>mooff: More web references to this Evaluation (Proprietary) Software (this time from Wikipedia): → < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_Forge >.
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23:29<mooff>how can i create a keyboard shortcut to open the Graph part of qjackctl?
23:30*mooff man qjackctl
23:30*mooff thank the most pager for color differentiated manual
23:31*mooff wants to contribute an option to turn j and k into vim keys, i.e. scroll one line up and down
23:32<mooff>maybe i should port it to Rust and modernize it
23:32<mooff>or Golang
23:34<mooff>qjackctl can't open in that mode, i think
23:34<mooff>i'd have to automate it with xdotool
23:35<lhvf>The old guy that I've mentioned, can't (even) configure Windows XP for anything himself.
23:35<mooff>isn't it nice to be able to make changes to your operating system
23:35<lhvf>He only uses his Audio/Radio Softwares, and don't knows anything of OS Maintenances. He nowdays (from Windows XP SP2 & 98SE), updated him OS to Windows 7 x64 (and contracts a Technician guy via TeamViewer to do via VPN OS fixings on his system.
23:35<lhvf> NNF ( this is the only thing he knows..). Nothing technicalat least..
23:35<lhvf>*Next, Next Finish
23:36<mooff>thanks for the detailed information lhvf
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23:39<lhvf>He *nowadays* (typo..)
23:39<lhvf>[...] nothing *technical*, at least.. [...] (typo..)
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23:47<mooff>lhvf, to improve your typing use less line noise :)
23:47<mooff>** nowadays
23:47<mooff>** nothing technical
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