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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-09-14

---Logopened Tue Sep 14 00:00:37 2021
00:01-!-simonpatapon [simon@troude.pet] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
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00:01-!-simonpatapon is "Simon Patapon" on #buddhism #debian-next #oftc #debian #bitlbee
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00:07-!-mimi89999 is "mimi89999" on #debian #debian-live #fdroid
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00:09-!-yuqi is "yuqi" on #debian #linux
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00:10-!-jm_ is "." on #debian
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00:11-!-tzf is "0" on #debian #nakedeb #3hg
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00:24-!-RedSoxFan07 is "RedSoxFan07" on #debian-next #debian
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00:27-!-synectic is "realname" on #debian
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00:31-!-r3m is "launch" on #debian #linode #bitlbee
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00:37-!-toto_ is "realname" on #debian-next #debian
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00:40-!-cashier is "realname" on #debian
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00:41-!-newcomer is "OFTC WebIRC Client" on #debian
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00:46-!-muelli is "realname" on #virt #debian #cryptoparty
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01:00-!-DennisTheTiger is "realname" on #debian #debian-offtopic
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01:02-!-Ericounet is "realname" on #freedombox #debian
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01:14-!-format_c is "Alexander Koeppe" on #debian
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01:14-!-crydotsnake_ is "crydotsnake_" on #debian
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01:15-!-jpw is "..." on #debian-offtopic #debian
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01:16-!-chomwitt is "realname" on #luakit #oolite-dev #oftc #freedesktop #debian-offtopic #debian-academy #C #s6 #radeon #oolite #openstreetmap #debian-xfce #debian-social #debian-games #debian
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01:31-!-heiserhorn is "Michele Cane" on #oftc #debian-next
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01:31-!-DennisTheTiger is "realname" on #debian #debian-offtopic
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01:31-!-SZO is "anon" on #debian-next #debian
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01:43-!-wvdakker is "wvdakker" on #debian-next #debian
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01:46-!-towo^work is "Torsten -towo- Wohlfarth" on #vboxger #vbox #kvm #radeon #kernelnewbies #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian
01:47-!-arnold_oree [~arnoldore@146.50.93.209.dyn.plus.net] has joined #debian
01:47-!-arnold_oree is "Arnold Opio Oree" on #virt #debian-tech #debian
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01:53-!-wvdakker is "wvdakker" on #debian-next #debian
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01:58-!-ach- is "ZNC - https://znc.in" on #spooky #debian
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02:00-!-ach- is now known as ach
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02:01-!-thiras is "Ant Somers" on #tor #debian
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02:11-!-is0ke3 is "is0ke3" on #tor #debian
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02:12-!-_Matth_ is "realname" on #debian #debian-next
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02:14-!-crydotsnake_ is "crydotsnake_" on #debian
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02:20-!-}ls{ is "nobody" on #kvm #debian-nginx #debian-lan #debian-kde #debian-django #debian
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02:21-!-chele is "chele" on #debian-next #debian
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02:23-!-bullgard4 is "realname" on #debian #bluez #kernelnewbies #debian-next
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02:25-!-crawler is "crawler" on #debian #linode
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02:26-!-bzed is "Bernd Zeimetz" on #debian.ch #debian-mia #debian-glibc #ikiwiki #debian-devel-changes #debian-lists #pkg-phototools #debian-sparc #storage #debian
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02:35-!-Hasher is "realname" on #debian
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02:35-!-Maduro52 is "Si SI" on #debian
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02:40-!-Seb is "Sébastien Delafond" on #debian
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02:44-!-bbaovanc is "best.boba:bbaovanc" on #debian
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02:44-!-Emrederseniz is "purple" on #debian
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02:48-!-bbaovanc is "best.boba:bbaovanc" on #debian
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02:51-!-bbaovanc is "best.boba:bbaovanc" on #debian
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02:53-!-bbaovanc is "best.boba:bbaovanc" on #debian
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02:58-!-LeMyst is "Myst" on #debian
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02:59-!-Blue_Hat is "Blue_Hat" on #debian
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03:00-!-LeMyst is "Myst" on #debian
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03:01-!-mezzo is "mezzo" on #debian @#lichess #yuming
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03:04-!-endstille is "marc.brinkmann@gmail.com" on #debian
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03:06-!-samnob is "Sam Noble" on #replicant #mobian #freedombox #debian
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03:07-!-LeMyst is "Myst" on #debian
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03:10-!-samnob is "Sam Noble" on #replicant #mobian #freedombox #debian
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03:11-!-ibx2496 is "realname" on #debian @#linuxmint #alpine-linux #alpine-devel #postmarketos #postmarketos-devel #postmarketos-offtopic
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03:13-!-yz9889o is "ytrewq" on #debian
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03:14-!-Haudegen is "AP,,," on #security #debian.or.at #debian-next #debian
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03:17-!-mosasaur is "realname" on #debian
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03:20-!-skitt is "realname" on #debian
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03:28-!-kathenas is "Phil Wyett" on #debian #debian-next
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03:30-!-ASC__ is "realname" on #debian #packaging
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03:30-!-texou is "Stoicien" on #debian-nonupload #hyprateam #debian-i18n #bitlbee #debian-next #debian #debian-devel-es #debian-devel-it #debian-a11y
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03:54-!-chuangzhu [~chuangzhu@0002c2e8.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian
03:54-!-chuangzhu is "Chuang Zhu" on #ustclug #debian
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03:56-!-JCWasmx86 is "realname" on #debian-next #debian
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03:56-!-pavlushka is "Pavel Sayekat" on #debian #oftc
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04:01-!-cef is "Cefiar" on #intel-3d #dri-devel #debian #debian-next
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04:02-!-yuqi is "yuqi" on #debian #linux
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04:40<Exagone313>Hi, I updated an LXC container from buster to bullseye and I got /dev/null that got its mode changed to crw-------, this means only root can send data to /dev/null. Is it a known issue? I'm tempted to chmod it, and it is probably the fix, but it is weird.
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04:41<Exagone313>(aka 600 rather than 666)
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04:43<Exagone313>Hum, the problem is more complex as it seems. I've changed its mode but it gets back to 600 when running "apt update" https://ewd.xyz/153e7d.txt
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04:53<Exagone313>I commented the bullseye-updates repo for now
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05:00<Exagone313>hmm I got the same issue with debian-security now
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05:06<somiaj>well udev should be controling the devices, though it is strange that its permissions get reset like that
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05:09<somiaj>Exagone313: what is the output of 'ls -l /dev/null'
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05:10<Exagone313>its mode is 600 after running apt update, due to the gpg error probably
05:10<somiaj>still provide the full output, just wanted to check something else
05:10<somiaj>I don't know why apt update would be changing the permission of /dev/null, but I have a huntch
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05:12<Exagone313>I solved it by deleting (moving) /var/lib/apt/lists
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05:13<somiaj>I'm still curious what the output of 'ls -l /dev/null' is
05:13<Exagone313>somiaj: what do you mean? it was a character device, not different than your own
05:14<Exagone313>I had to manual chmod it though
05:14<somiaj>I just wanted to see the output, as it seems strange the permissions get reset
05:14<somiaj>that's fine, but it is best to provide output when asked. The resetting the permissions is what seems odd
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05:15<Exagone313>somiaj: I did provide it
05:15<somiaj>did I miss it, I don't see the actual output anywhere
05:16<mosasaur>I'm trying to 'capture' the change in configuration after I run "redshift -P -O 2500" like running "xrandr --verbose" before and after, redirecting those to some files and run meld on them. (Meld is a diff program.) The only thing that seems to change are the gamma values. But if I then run xrandr with those same gammas the result is very different. What is going on here?
05:16<somiaj>oh yea I mised it sorry
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05:27<Exagone313>mosasaur: I'm not sure how redshift/gammastep works but as far as I know, changing the temperature isn't only about gamma
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05:30<mosasaur>Exagone313: I figured as much, because it seems "xrandr --verbose" doesn't show all relevant information. But why are the gamma values so weird then?
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05:36<Exagone313>mosasaur: maybe they do not use the same base/maximum value?
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05:40<mosasaur>Exagone313: could be some other thing in the mix yes
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05:49<xoddf2>After upgrading to Debian Bullseye, Audacity does not work properly — the actual work area (between the toolbars) displays as a screen shot of whatever it was displaying before instead of what it should display. How do I fix it?
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05:51<xoddf2>https://i.imgur.com/F7zyFKO.png
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05:53<dreamer>which windowmanager/desktop and what gpu do you have?
05:53<dreamer>works fine here
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05:53<xoddf2>dreamer: i3
05:53<dreamer>you seem to have a custom theme as well?
05:53<xoddf2>dreamer: Both of these had the issue: https://wlair.us.to/my-computers/
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05:53<xoddf2>dreamer: No?
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05:54<dreamer>ah, TIL it has a dark theme :)
05:54<xoddf2>dreamer: i3 "theme" is just the default colour scheme. GTK theme is Adwaita-dark. Audacity theme is the included "Dark" one.
05:55<dreamer>my dark theme looks a bit different
05:55<dreamer>but still fine here. what kind of gpu do you have?
05:55<dreamer>(just thinking out loud)
05:55<xoddf2>dreamer: Both of these had the issue: https://wlair.us.to/my-computers/
05:55<dreamer>ah, thnx
05:55<dreamer>both onboard intel then
05:56<Exagone313>xoddf2: do you use a compositor?
05:56<xoddf2>Exagone313: No
05:56<xoddf2>Exagone313: It didn't seem to work with one, either.
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05:59<Exagone313>xoddf2: do you reproduce if you run audacity inside xephyr?
06:00<xoddf2>Exagone313: It still has the problem there (coincidentally with a different window manager, this time twm).
06:01<xoddf2>Exagone313: https://i.imgur.com/q020Rg0.png
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06:02<Exagone313>I'd try to compile buster's version, or to run buster in a container, but both options require time
06:03<Exagone313>with compiling you can check with the same libraries
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06:06<xoddf2>Exagone313: I found the problem!: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=935173
06:06<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/935173 in audacity (forwarded): «audacity graphical windows fail to update properly when GTK_IM_MODULE=xim»; severity: important; opened: 2019-08-20; last modified: 2020-03-15.
06:07<xoddf2>https://gitlab.com/xoddf2/configs/-/blob/master/common/.xsession#L12-L13
06:07<xoddf2>It works fine when run as: GTK_IM_MODULE= audacity
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06:08<Exagone313>xoddf2: I didn't know that feature "gtk input method", you learn me something :)
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06:11<dreamer>xoddf2: good find
06:12<dreamer>so, this would be a GTK bug
06:12<dreamer>`Tue, 20 Aug 2019` << been around for a while
06:14<dreamer>oh, see the link to audacity issue tracker
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06:22<Meli>someone on sid with `xdm` noticed that at every boot `xkbcomp` floods `xdm.log` with error messages (not fatal for X) and perhaps has been able to solve the issue?
06:23<Meli>this seems to have no impact on the session, and the "only" annoying thing is that it produces an extremely verbose log filled with junk
06:23<Meli>the problem appeared around August 19th, immediately after updating some packages, of which the relevant ones i think are:
06:23<Meli>xkb-data x11-common xserver-xorg-input-all debianutils xserver-xorg locales xorg xserver-xorg-video-all
06:24<Meli>The interesting log lines are the following two, of which the latter n times (one for every not recognized XF96* key):
06:24<Meli>The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:
06:24<Meli>> Internal error:   Could not resolve keysym XF86xxxxxxxx
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06:25<Meli>(sorry for the wall of text)
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06:27<Meli>s/the latter n times/the latter one is repeated n times/g
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07:31<Meli>bremner: ty, I'll crosspost there
07:32<bremner>maybe with less lines the second time...
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07:52<andre144k>hello all...
07:53<bremner>!ask
07:53<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
07:53<andre144k>a special question: is there any way to reload a shared library after patching without restarting binary which is using this library?
07:53<Habbie>no
07:53<bremner>andre144k: I don't think so
07:53<bremner>not unless it is loaded with by dlopen (not the normal way) and you control the binary'
07:53<bremner>even then, maybe not
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07:54<andre144k>so, when i got an update to xorg, qt5, libpng, libjpg, truetype librarys or something else i should restart desktop environment?
07:54<Habbie>yes
07:54<bremner>!needrestart
07:54<andre144k>its only for better understanding os
07:55<Habbie>in fact, just reboot the whole system
07:55<andre144k>ok thanks
07:55<bremner>install needrestart, it will advise you what needs to be restarted
07:55<Habbie>yep
07:55<Habbie>good tool
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07:56<andre144k>thank you
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09:00<mooff>my Realtek wifi driver seems to hang the whole kernel for split seconds at a time, when it loses connection / scans while disconnected
09:00<mooff>it hands my whole desktop including sound for 10s or 100s of ms at a time
09:00<mooff>there's nothing i can do about it, right? lol
09:01<mooff>s/hands/hangs/
09:01<Tenkawa>mooff: you can try turning power savings off on it if its on
09:02<Tenkawa>it might be causing hiccups with switching
09:02<Tenkawa>which realtek model ? rtl#?
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09:03<mooff>worth a try, thanks
09:03<Tenkawa>good luck
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09:07<nifker>Will obs 27 land in debian 11?
09:07<Habbie>debian 11 is released already
09:07<mooff>maybe via -backports, nifker
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09:08<Habbie>so ^
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09:22<mosasaur>I thought xrandr could resize virtual framebuffers now, but when I do xrandr -d :1 --newmode "1024x768_60.00" 64.11 1024 1080 1184 1344 768 769 772 795 -HSync +Vsync for a Xvfb screen it says "xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output screen"
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09:45<Ares000>hi! I tried to install a video capture card with isenkram and it said that it can not find amdgpu/navi10_mes.bin amdgpu/sienna_cichlid_mes.bin renesas_usb_fw.mem
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09:51<pa_>on my desktop im using Debian, i have an Android phone. i know its possible to install busybox on android. but i would love to be able to just copy bash scripts to the phone and not being surprised that some commands miss functionality, or for some strange reason use different parameters, or are missing.. so how to going about installing Gnu-Utils and some other commandline apps that i get with Debian, on android.. Does Debian have a special version
09:51<pa_>of their arm64 compiled for Android? or could i just download an standard arm64 DVD and extract the executable from their and push them to my phone? or maybe there is a flashable zip-file that i can installs via recovery mode? anyone know what is the best way of going about this?
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09:53<Anarka>pa_: maybe not the answer but have you tried tmux ?
09:53<Anarka>erm... termux :p
09:55<Sqrt{not}>Ares000, does your capture card work anyway, without those firmwares?
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09:59<colo>is there a way to perform a Debian "OEM" installation, like Ubuntu (used to?) offer? where, after the first bootup after installing, a wizard is presented to the user to finish setting up the initial user account/set (root) password(s) etc.?
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10:01<Ares000>Sqrt, no
10:01<bremner>colo: maybe look at "pure-blends"
10:02<colo>bremner, hmm, which blend in particular, can you please give me a hand? :)
10:03<bremner>I meant as a way of setting up a customized install.
10:03<bremner>of course there are also things like pre-seeding and FAI
10:03<bremner>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed
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10:04<colo>ah, OK. I know about preseed, but that's not what I had in mind. the ubuntu OEM install was a special option in its installer which removed all traces of the set up user account after itself, and had the computer user (re-)enter that info upon first boot. very cool if you set up a machine for another person that you do not actually know ;)
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10:05<colo>https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu_OEM_Installer_Overview - not sure if thet still maintain that, but I'd very much prefer to give away these machines running Debian anyway
10:06<babilen>I take it that you wouldn't want those users to have root access?
10:07<babilen>I'm not aware of similar functionality on Debian sadly
10:10<colo>babilen, I'd be very happy with them to have root access, but I am unfortunately certain they do not know enough about GNU/Linux (yet) to make use of it to create accounts of their own :) I would like to donate two older machines of mine to a local charity, and would prefer to give these machines away with usable Debian on it.
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10:23<Tenkawa>Ares000: did you install linux-firmware?
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10:29<Ares000>Kernel: Linux 5.9.0-1-amd64
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10:30<bremner>that is not current in any debian suite
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10:31<bremner>maybe upgrade to a current debian / kernel to make dealing with new hardware easier?
10:31<mooff>colo: try in #debian-installer
10:34<Tenkawa>Ares000: linux-firmware and firmware-amd-graphics are all you should need unless it needs a non-free blob
10:34<Tenkawa>then you need to get that from your card/motherboard site
10:35<Ares000>my capture card is not detected by "obs studio"
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10:56<Milfeldt>New at IRC, how does this work? Is anybody seeing this?
10:57<Sqrt{not}>yes Milfeldt, hello
10:57<Sqrt{not}>%new2irc
10:57<dselect>You are chatting on IRC. IRC is the original group chat. Similar to platforms like Slack, Matrix, or Discord, IRC was invented in the 1980s and formalized with RFC 1459 in 1993. This channel, #debian, is for help with the debian operating system. Ask us a debian support question, or read more about IRC at https://netsplit.de or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC
10:57<Milfeldt>Yes :-) Hello.
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11:01<Milfeldt>My Question is about GPIO in Bullseye. Got it installed on my RPI4B 4GB with Desktop/GUI. Configured the Pimoroni Fanshim to start at 65 degrees C. it stops as soon it gets below... I've searched with no luck ... How can I control/program GPIO so the fan keeps cooling until a set temperature?
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11:05<Tenkawa>Milfeldt: is this Debian mainline or Raspbian/RPIOS?
11:06<Milfeldt>@Tenkawa Debian
11:06<Tenkawa>I don't think you can right now in standard debian
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11:06<Tenkawa>you have to be using the foundation kernel
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11:07<Tenkawa>because of the device tree connections to device tree
11:07<Tenkawa>er gpio
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11:08<Tenkawa>mainline kernel in standard debian is very limited in it's hardware control (especially on the PI 4)
11:08<Sqrt{not}>Milfeldt, do you have the file /usr/lib/uhd/examples/gpio ?
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11:08<Tenkawa>I'm in the middle of testing it right now myself
11:09<Sqrt{not}>oh, never mind, probably not for the Pi
11:10<Tenkawa>Sqrt{not}: if he's running the mainline kernel there's no device tree support yet
11:11<Tenkawa>5.14-15 is the projected timeline and its still very incomplete and a WIP
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11:16<Milfeldt>But??? If it's possible to make it start via config, then there must be a way to control/program it, to stop at a given temp. In the config. there is the choise to use GPIO18 PCM_CLK or GPIO19 and set the start temp...
11:17<Tenkawa>milan: its not starting "because" of config
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11:17<Tenkawa>Milfeldt: it started soon as you booted right?
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11:18<Milfeldt>advanced setup, just before boot
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11:18<Tenkawa>no my point is the fan pins are hot
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11:19<Tenkawa>so the better test is to check if while the pi is "plugged up" does the fan stop
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11:19<Tenkawa>if it does.. then gpio "is working" and thats something we can work with
11:20<Tenkawa>but the power on a pi never goes off until power is pulled
11:20<Sqrt{not}>Milfeldt, there is also a channel #debian-raspberrypi on this server
11:20<Tenkawa>even if the os is down
11:20<Tenkawa>Sqrt{not}: good point
11:20<Tenkawa>i'll talk to him there
11:22<Sqrt{not}>(although I don't know how to add/switch channels in the WebIRC client)
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11:22<Milfeldt>It does start for a sec or two, when it's bootet up and the temp. is below 65, it's off, as soon it reaches 65, it starts BUT stops the moment temp is below 65, I'd like it to keep going to 50.
11:22<Tenkawa>Sqrt{not}: thats a "really" good q… not sure if you can use multitab
11:23<Tenkawa>Milfeldt: ok so pwm is definitely working
11:23<Milfeldt>yes
11:23<Tenkawa>where did you download your Debian install if I might ask?
11:24<Milfeldt>just a sec
11:24<Tenkawa>I want to try it out
11:24*Tenkawa builds his own
11:25<Tenkawa>mine are all foundation hybrids though
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11:31<Milfeldt>cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/arm64/iso-cd
11:32<Tenkawa>let me take a look
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11:35<Tenkawa>are you using the rpi firmware?
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11:38<Milfeldt>yes
11:38<Tenkawa>ahhh
11:38<Tenkawa>that explains it
11:38<Tenkawa>thats why its working
11:39<Tenkawa>using their unchanged firmware
11:39<Tenkawa>ok.. lets see what we can do
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11:39<Tenkawa>you said you have the standard pimoroni one?
11:39*Tenkawa had that one for a while
11:40*Tenkawa goes and looks at his old setup
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11:41<Milfeldt>and during install, ii'l ask for brcmfmac43455 files, I loaded the firmware and the brcm files on an sd-card, and anstall-iso on a ssdUSBstick
11:42<Tenkawa>have you tried the sudo ./install-service.sh --on-threshold 65 --off-threshold 55 --delay 2 method?
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11:42<Milfeldt>yes standard Pimoroni Fanshim, been running fine for a year now
11:42<Tenkawa>change the temps to suit?
11:42<Tenkawa>just rerun and set the 55 to 50
11:43<Milfeldt>I tried the Pimorone "software" doesnt work with Bullseye...
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11:43<Tenkawa>python error?
11:43<Tenkawa>right?
11:45<Milfeldt>cant remember, tries so many things, two days ago, gave it a rest for two days...
11:45<Milfeldt>tried
11:45<Tenkawa>well we
11:45<Tenkawa>er we'll need data to help you more
11:47<Tenkawa>testing just software from here and at first look my guess is going to be yes
11:47<Milfeldt>I'm wondering if this: https://github.com/tedsluis/raspberry-pi-pwm-fan-control can do the trick...
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11:49<Tenkawa>it might use python2 which will have the same problem
11:49<Tenkawa>it would need to be tested
11:50<Milfeldt>My thought too but it wont hurt to try ;-)
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11:50<Tenkawa>indeed
11:50<Milfeldt>Gotta go, cook for my kids.
11:51<Milfeldt>Thnx. Tenkawa.
11:51<Tenkawa>cheers good luck
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11:53<Milfeldt>Erhm... how to log out without closing browser?
11:54<sussudio>/quit
11:54<Milfeldt>thnx
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13:47<tertu>okay so this is some relatively basic linux stuff, but do hard links ignore permissions?
13:48<tertu>my understanding of them is they are functionally "completely different files which happen to consist of the exact same data"
13:48<imMute>tertu: IIRC, if you have two hard links to the same file then the only thing shared is the contents. the name and permissions are separate.
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13:48<tertu>alright, that lines up
13:49<imMute>should be easy to test though.
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13:50<imMute>appears we are wrong (at least for tmpfs). when you change permissions on one hard link, the perms on the others change as well
13:50<imMute>so it's more like one file that shows up as multiple names in the VFS
13:51<ansgar>imMute: Separate files with same data is what you get from `cp --reflink`.
13:52<ansgar>Links is just putting index cards where a book (file) can be found in the library in multiple indices, like one sorted by author name and another sorted by title.
13:52<imMute>--reflink seems to use CoW abilities of the underlying filesystem (if available)
13:52<ansgar>Both index cards refer to the same book (file) :)
13:53<imMute>ansgar: right but are the permissions/ownership stored on the index cards or on the book
13:53<imMute>tertu and I thought it was the former, but apparently it's the latter
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13:54<ansgar>imMute: On the book. :)
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13:57<tertu>ext4 does not support reflinks right
13:58<tertu>it appears not
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13:59<tertu>i mean the way i'm using filesystems in my "quasi nas" right now is all of my "live files" are on ext4 and all of my "dead files" are on btrfs
13:59<tertu>(and then root is on ext4)
14:00<mooff>permissions are stored on the index cards for a hard link though, right?
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14:02<imMute>tertu: makes sense, ext4 has no CoW abilities, so reflinks wouldn't work
14:02<imMute>mooff: no, on the book (apparently). I thought it was on the index card too.
14:03<mooff>so the book has its own mini index card?
14:03<mooff>ha, TIL
14:03<imMute>mooff: the analogy is falling apart now. more like metadata in the front of the book. like the publisher information in real books
14:04<tertu>yeah the difference seems to be if you delete the target of a symbolic link, the corresponding data is considered gone
14:04<mooff>i thought hard links could have separate permissions
14:04<tertu>whereas if you delete the target of a hard link it remains
14:04<tertu>(which i used to create a crude backup system at one point)
14:04<mooff>hard links rule
14:05<imMute>tertu: synmlinks are a post it saying "this file can be found <over there>"
14:05<imMute>or rather, an index card that says "go look at this other index card"
14:07<tertu>yeah
14:07<tertu>i feel like the best analogy i can think of, though a low-tech one, is a cabinet full of microfiche or something and a rolodex
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14:08<tertu>and a symlink is a card that says "see this card in the card file" whereas a hard link is just a separate card that refers to the same place in the cabinet
14:09<mooff>another (bad) analogy would be soft links are HTTP 200 with Location in the response, hard links are reverse_proxy
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14:09<imMute>tertu: aye.
14:10<imMute>tertu: it really helps to realize that a file name and the underlying file are two separate things (that are almost always 1:1 so it's easy to think they're the same thing)
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14:26<sillygoose>hi! I am having trouble booting into my system after compiling and installing the 5.14 kernel for myself. I do not have an encrypted /boot but I do have my install fully encrypted with LUKS2. I compiled the kernel using bindeb-pkg and then installed the kernel headers and modules with dpkg. I did not manually update initramfs or grub config as I thought those would be handled by the install process. Now when I boot up I am met
14:26<sillygoose> with the grub menu for less than a second before it tries to boot into debian. I am then flashed with 'Loading Linux 5.14.3 ... \n Loading initial ramdisk ...' which appears also for less than half of a second before everything goes black and my monitor stops recieving any video input.
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14:27<sillygoose>I am trying to edit the commands before booting in order to select the old kernel and initramdisk but I cannot get the names right. Are there any commands or edits I must make so it can properly boot in?
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14:51<aloo_shu>you could read up about the grub command line, then try to boot manually, benefitting from tab completion to find the old vmlinuz+initrd pair - or if you're having access to the install, look into boot, check that old kernel and initrd are still present, and perhaps change the symlinks in /
14:51<sillygoose>I have removed the quiet parameter and the two messages that stand out (so far may be more) are "nvme nvme0: missing or invalid SUBNQN field \n nvme nvme0: Shutdown timeout set to 8 seconds" and 'Volume group "main" not found \n Cannot process volume group main'
14:52<sillygoose>I have the volume group and luks on that nvme ssd so if it cannot load that maybe it makes sense why it can't process the volume. I cannot remember if it always has said that, because it also prompts me to unlock the disk but it dissapears and shutsdown so fast I have no time to.
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14:54<sillygoose>I have disabled APST with a kernel paramter which I have seen mentioned on some forums where people were complaining of a similar issue, but to no avail.
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14:54<aloo_shu>looks like your best bet would be finding a backup copy of grub.conf under /boot or /boot/grub, like grub.conf.bak
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14:59<aloo_shu>if so, have a look at both in a text editor, or look at timestamps, then rename grub.conf into something and grub.conf.bak into grub.conf, if it's looking good
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15:01<aloo_shu>if you're lucky, you got a separate /boot partition outside of luks & lvm
15:02<aloo_shu>well I think you must, but it's a while since I used grub with lvm
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15:04<sillygoose>yeah it is not full disk encryption so /boot is outside of luks/lvm. The problem I am having now is actually mounting the nvme ssd that has the /boot partition on it. I have gone into the grub command line but ls tab completion doesn't show nvme0
15:05<sillygoose>is there some module I am forgetting?
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15:12<aloo_shu>never used luks, never had nvme yet
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15:12<aloo_shu>the command to set root was better than ls for searching by tab complete
15:13<aloo_shu>grub got different names for partitions, though
15:14<aloo_shu>if you got a linux sysstem now, info grub is the more complete manual
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15:28<Tj>sillygoose: sorry about that!
15:28<sillygoose>all good, thanks for the help : )
15:28<Tj>sillygoose: so, right now, are you on the system with the problem or using another?
15:28<sillygoose>same system.
15:28<Tj>sillygoose: booted using a LiveISO or got into the installed system?
15:29<sillygoose>No live ISO, I am at the grub screen for the installed system.
15:29<sillygoose>What happens is that the menu appears for a split second and then automatically tries to boot in. I am flashed with a bunch of text, I have taken a video and slowed it down to review the messages, and then it goes black and the monitor stops recieving video input.
15:29<Tj>sillygoose: confused me! You're using IRC from another PC whilst the problem PC is at the grub menu?
15:29<sillygoose>oh yes,
15:30<Tj>ahhh OK!
15:30<sillygoose>I managed to mash e and stop it from automatically selecting so I can get command line / set paramteres
15:30<Tj>sillygoose: there's two ways to solve this; it'd be easier if you can boot the problem PC using the LiveISO and get on IRC so you're able to copy/paste information
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15:31<Tj>the kind of info required to solve this efficient really needs to be verbatim logs and command results
15:31<Tj>(I do this several times a week for people so very familiar with the procedure)
15:32<sillygoose>Burning a live iso now. multiple times a week? you're a hero!
15:32<Tj>I wrote the Ubuntu manual on real FDE (including /boot/ )
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15:33<Tj>should only need about 10 commands to fix, plus a further 5-ish initially to gather data so I know what you're dealing with
15:34<Tj>(famous last words of course :)
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15:36<Sqrt{not}>%famous last words
15:36<dselect><hoxu> cast|lir, twiddling with it from a script is dangerous anyway... at least script it to make a backup or something <cast|lir> hoxu: nah, it's all good.
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15:37<aloo_shu>oh glad Tj is here. I do this multiple times in - a few years
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15:38<sillygoose>hahaha. burning puppy linux now. do you reckon I will be able to use this new kernel or will I have to revert? I am going to try and upgrade regardless so if I revert I suppose I will have to recompile and install over and over until I get it right.
15:38<sillygoose>5.14 has some important drivers as well as this is a custom low latency kernel - gotta make it work somehow
15:38<Tj>sillygoose: I've not read the backlog so not clear on what you've got. Would you summarise for me since that sounds like you've been fiddling with it!
15:39<Tj>sillygoose: it is a Debian install I assume?
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15:40<sillygoose>yeah debian install.
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15:41<Tj>I build mainline kernels for all our Debian systems, lowlatency
15:41<Tj>"make bindeb-pkg" and thats it really
15:41<aloo_shu>well what you want to find out once you can boot again, is why a grub menu for letting you chose kernels wasn't generated, and how to make sure the next time you install kernels, it will
15:42<Tj>that is often due to missing vmlinuz/initrd.img files - menuentry's are only created when those exist
15:43<Tj>/etc/grub.d/10_linux is responsible
15:45<aloo_shu>summary <sillygoose> hi! I am having trouble booting into my system after compiling and installing the 5.14 kernel for myself. I do not have an encrypted /boot but I do have my install fully encrypted with LUKS2. I compiled the kernel using bindeb-pkg and then installed the kernel headers and modules with dpkg. I did not manually update initramfs or grub config as I thought those
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15:45<aloo_shu>would be handled by the install process. Now when I boot up [..]
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15:46<sillygoose>sorry I am having to reflash a live iso again - my puppy iso didn't work so I'm just gonna go with gparted
15:46<aloo_shu>was just to recommend exactly that
15:46<somiaj>!puppy linux
15:46<dpkg>Puppy Linux is a GNU/Linux mini-distribution. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.puppylinux.com/
15:46<somiaj>Just so you know, we don't actually support puppy linux here.
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15:47<somiaj>OH wait this maybe just a live recovery image, I prefer grml myself, but really any that boots a linux kernel should work
15:48<Tj>somiaj: yes, it is the bootstrap recovery tool
15:48<Tj>sillygoose: gparted may not have the tools installed we need
15:49<Tj>sillygoose: it'd be best to use a LiveISO (or installed-to-USB) distro that matches the installed OS
15:50<aloo_shu>there should be a list, with gparted live (debian based)
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15:51<sillygoose>I'll try puppy again, was flashing with unetbootin since I am using macos at the moment (blech!)
15:51<sillygoose>using etcher now hopefully that is a tad easier
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15:55<Tj>sillygoose: When you installed the v5.14 kernel did you check beforehand that /boot/ had free space to take the kernel+initrd?
15:56<sillygoose>Honestly, no I figured it had enough because I gave it some generous space but very good point
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15:56<Tj>OK; in theory it should only need around 70MB
15:57<sarnold>is that a question of partioning space for /boot at this moment? or a discussion about howmuch space each individual kernel takes up?
15:57<Tj>but I've seen truncated initrd.img as a result of that; and if /boot/ is at 100% I can imagine update-grub able to delete the current /boot/grub/grub.cfg but unable to replace it
15:57<sarnold>because 70megs is nowhere near enough for a /boot for most users
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15:58<Tj>sarnold: each vmlinuz+initrd
15:58<sarnold>okay good good
15:58<Tj>I usually give /boot/ 768MB
15:58<sarnold>I'm stuck with 512M on my machines and it's entirely too tight :)
15:59<Tj>yes; I build/install/test lots of versions so need to make sure I keep an eye on it
15:59<sillygoose>I think I gave it 2gigs just for fun
16:00<sillygoose>I am in puppy now, trying to connect to wifi but can't find the module/driver for my wifi card :/ in order to paste output for you
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16:00<aloo_shu>sillygoose: no etcher or unetbootin, prefer dd from terminal app on macos
16:00<sillygoose>dd never works for me etcher did it perfectly
16:01<aloo_shu>hmm, luck
16:02<aloo_shu>main #puppylinux chan is on libera, btw
16:06<aloo_shu>there are 3 network tools to chose from, the most complete one lets you load additional modules. search with card name on forum.puppylinux.com may also help. but ofc that's why 'live image close to installed os' is a good idea, the time you're savjng downloading & copying, you're loosing fiddling.. ;)
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16:07<sillygoose>Tj: thanks for your patience. I am flashing MX right now because puppy doesn't have support for my wifi card and I figure you will need it to be able to see pastes etc.
16:07<sillygoose>flashing will be done in roughly 3 minutes
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16:08<Tj>:)
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16:12<blast007>is there a reason to not use the Debian Live ISOs for this?
16:13<sillygoose>well at first i figured size, because i have a slower connection
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16:14<aloo_shu>blast007: puppy seduces with < 300MB iso for DE install. and for some reason ranks well in blog mentions and distrowatch
16:14<sillygoose>but at this point i might as well have
16:15<blast007>if you *do* end up wanting to get the Debian Live ISO, there are ones with non-free firmware included: https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/11.0.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/
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16:16<blast007>did you have the stock kernel installed as well? might be listed under "Advanced options"
16:16<blast007>(in grub)
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16:23<Tj>sillygoose: whilst we wait, do you have the broken PC at a GRUB shell?
16:24<Tj>never know, we might be able to bootstrap it
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16:24<sillygoose>not at the moment, I am in mx linux now. I just can't get the wifi to work. what a pita
16:24<Tj>Oh! half a dozen of one ....
16:24<Tj>Broadcom?
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16:25<sillygoose>intel actually
16:25<sillygoose>should be so simple
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16:25<sillygoose>puppy couldn't find it either
16:25<Tj>indeed, intel should be easy. What make/model is the PC?
16:25<Tj>are you sure it isn't just rfkill is on!? "rfkill list"
16:26<aloo_shu>oh since he said edit boot, I assumed boot menu didn't have old kernel, but having overlooked 'advanced options' is a possibility, too
16:26<sillygoose>It's a b550 board with intel's AX200 chip
16:26<sillygoose>msi b550 unify
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16:27<sillygoose>i can just use a different flash drive, copy log files on to there and then upload from this mac.. pita
16:27<Tj>oh, a new one, that explains it
16:27<sillygoose>yeah
16:28<Tj>i've got one lying around (AX200) threw it away when I discovered Intel prevent it being an Access Point
16:28<Tj>doesn't abide by the kernel's region country setting either
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16:28<sillygoose>holy huh didn't even know that. I thought it can be used as one
16:28<sillygoose>oh well i don't really have a need for that.
16:29<sillygoose>this mx linux kernel is so outdated.. 4.19
16:29<Booda>upgrade the kernel then
16:29<Tj>kernel doesn't matter; tools matter
16:30<sillygoose>I can't upgrade the kernel without internet
16:30<Tj>sillygoose: do you want to start? I can give you a string of commands to collect initial info into a single log you can sneakernet over to your Mac :)
16:31<aloo_shu>debian's official hardware recommendation is n months older than when current stable went into freeze, iirc. there's logic in that
16:32<Tj>this is a good example of why it is a good idea to keep an installed-to-USB distro around and up to date but without anything but recovery tools on, just in case
16:32<aloo_shu>Booda: 4.19 is an excellent choice since it's an SLTS kernel and will get updates for a lifetime of decades
16:33<sillygoose>very good point, so srry about the delay
16:35<aloo_shu>I don't think anyone is hurried, we've all been there.
16:35<Tj>some need to get to bed though :)
16:37<aloo_shu>I hope that's not you
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16:38<sillygoose>sure we can sneakernet it. was burning endeavour as a last ditch effort but it would be another 5 minutes until it's ready to boot from
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16:39<Tj>it's 21:37 here; been on the go since 07:30 so getting bleary eyes :)
16:39*Tenkawa has been up since 5
16:40<Tenkawa>granted its only 4:40 pm however I'll likely be up till 11-12
16:41<Tenkawa>sillygoose: is this the ASUS B550?
16:41<sillygoose>MSI's b550 Unify
16:41<Tenkawa>ok.. i wanted to look at something
16:41<Tj>sillygoose: OK; this will capture all output to a single file. Get a Terminal shell. Start with "sudo -i", then " ( lsblk; blkid; lspci -nnk; lsusb ) > /tmp/info.log "
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16:42<Tj>sillygoose: oh, and let's add something to it! "dmesg >> /tmp/info.log"
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16:44<Tenkawa>ahh its a gigabyte board
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16:45<Tenkawa>I found ethernet drivers : https://www.realtek.com/en/component/zoo/category/network-interface-controllers-10-100-1000m-gigabit-ethernet-pci-express-software
16:46<Tenkawa>wifi is definitely tough on that board
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16:47<Tj>definitely needs the newer intel firmware, and possibly a later iwlwifi core from what I recall on testing AX200
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16:48<Tenkawa>ahh… its recommended to pull from backport-iwlwifi in kernel.org
16:48<Tenkawa>https://askubuntu.com/questions/1299842/no-wifi-and-ethernet-connection-on-msi-gaming-edge-wifi-where-and-how-do-i-inst
16:48<Tenkawa>it was asked in ubuntu but its relevant here as well
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16:49<Tenkawa>not the exact same board but probably 75% likely the same scenario
16:50<sillygoose>Tj: Got into endeavour and ran the commands for easier pasting:) paste.debian.net/1211762
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16:51<Tj>sillygoose: so nvme0n1p3 is the LUKS container with VG main inside?
16:51<sillygoose>yeah
16:52<sillygoose>i think p2 is boot and it is not as much size as I thought it was
16:52<Tj>OK, I'll give you a series of commands to open and mount everything so we can get inside. Follow them exactly (sans any obvious typos - please don't 'interpret' them!)
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16:53<Tj>sillygoose: do you recall what you named the LUKS device when it is open? /dev/mapper/????? something ?
16:53<sillygoose>yes i do
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16:54<Tj>what is it?
16:54<sillygoose>haha slightly embarassing 'navi'
16:55<Tj>sillygoose: "mkdir /target; cryptsetup open /dev/nvme0n1p3 navi; mount /dev/mapper/navi /target"
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16:56<Tj>sillygoose: then "mount -t proc proc /target/proc; mount -t devtmpfs udev /target/dev; mount -t devpts devpts /target/dev/pts; mount -t sysfs sysfs /target/sys"
16:56<sillygoose>hm its not taking my password
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16:57<Tj>sillygoose: any non-ASCII characters in it? is the current locale/keyboard different to the installed ?
16:57<Tj>(this is also why I use a Yubikey in one of the LUKS slots)
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16:58<sillygoose>oh i should mention it is a zfs pool
16:58<sillygoose>i assume that might affect this
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17:00<sillygoose>got the password workin yeah
17:00<sillygoose>you were right about a non ascii character/locale :)
17:00<sillygoose>oh wait
17:00<sillygoose>im stupid
17:01<sillygoose>the nvme is not part of a zfs pool
17:01<sillygoose>excuse me im braindead
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17:03<Tj>ok, so have you completed all those mounts?
17:03*Tj has a strong coffee
17:04<sillygoose>before I run those commands I am running into trouble mounting the lvm "mount: /target: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'
17:04<Tj>huh?
17:04<Tj>oh no, my stupid brain!!
17:04<Tj>sorry, myfault
17:05<Tj>I forgot about the VG main !!
17:05<Tj>right, now navi is open what's the name of the LV that contains the root file-system?
17:05<sillygoose>navi-root
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17:06<Tj>oh, VG is also called navi?
17:06<sillygoose>oh sorry
17:06<sillygoose>i got it backwards
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17:06<sillygoose>navi is the name - sorry if i dont follow
17:07<sillygoose>i mount /dev/mapper/navi-root which is the volume that has the root stored on it
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17:07<sillygoose>i mounted that to /target
17:07<Tj>better spell it out for me. The name of the LUKS, when open, is "navi" AND the VG is called 'navi' ?
17:07<Tj>OK, good, so root-fs is at /target/ so you can continue with those kernel file-system mount commands
17:08<sillygoose>honestly i forget the difference between the name of the LUKS and the name of volume group
17:08<sillygoose>but yeah but it is mounted
17:09<Tj>we need to ensure the LUKS name is the same as used in the crypttab before we go any further; so "cat /target/etc/crypttab" and confirm the first column matches the /dev/mapper/???? name
17:09<sillygoose>mount: /target/sys: can't find in /etc/fstab
17:09<sillygoose>yes it does match
17:09<Tj>"mount -t sysfs sysfs /target/sys"
17:10<somiaj>Tj: a lot can depend on what is being recovered, since most recovery requires chrooting into the install, most images work just fine indepenent of tools. Though the debian live standard image is a nice one imo.
17:10<sillygoose>alright everything is mounted properly
17:10<somiaj>also the debian isntaller has a recovery option which is nice (automates the chrooting part)
17:10<somiaj>best of luck getting things up and running again
17:10<Tj>somiaj: it breaks cryptsetup initramfs-tools hooks if the current name doesn't match the crypttab
17:10<somiaj>ahh didn't consider that as I don't use cyrption
17:11<Tj>somiaj: good, so now we invoke the fstab inside the chroot: "chroot /target mount --all"
17:11<Tj>somiaj: this should mount the /boot/ EFI-SP and anything else that is set to auto in fstab
17:11<sillygoose>i assume that was for me, so done :)
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17:13<Tj>sillygoose: great; so now I want to see what is in /boot/ before we proceed. "find /target/boot | tee /tmp/boot-list.log" -- if you don't see a lot of files being listed stop, don't sneakernet the file, whilst we figure it out
17:13<laludelala>Hallo!
17:14<Tj>sillygoose: and if you do see a lot of files, pastebin the log :)
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17:15<laludelala>I am trying to set up lighttpd redirection/rewrite rule on a machine running Debian/testing.
17:15<sillygoose>paste.debian.net/1211768
17:16<sillygoose>lots of files hahah
17:16<sillygoose>i have 3 different kernels it seems, all witht their own respective files
17:16<Sqrt{not}>laludelala, if you can, ask in #debian-next for questions about testing
17:16<laludelala>Despite loading the mod_redirect and mod_rewrite modules, the rules seem to be ignored by lighttpd (lighttpd/1.4.59 (ssl) ). Is there anything special to consider with that version?
17:16<sillygoose>not sure where the third comes from only figured there would hav ebeen 5.10.8 and 5.14-lowlatency
17:17<laludelala>@sqrt{not}: thx, I will try
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17:17<Tj>sillygoose: lets check what the current grub.cfg looks like so pastebin "cat /target/boot/grub/grub.cfg"
17:18<Tj>sillygoose: there's a possibility the GRUB root/prefix are being set wrong we need to discount that first
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17:20<sillygoose>Tj: paste.debian.net/1211770/
17:21<sillygoose>my connection dropped for a second there, so if you said anything in the last minute, i missed it
17:21<sillygoose>would you look at that those two messages are exactly one minute apart, neat:)
17:21<Tj>sillygoose: There's the problem "set root='lvmid/tJrNy1-0T38-LF5o-PVoX-bQOE-5fTz-ad1sRk/KeHEIX-34SZ-x78h-abrK-8vjz-f9Y1-4S1nSN'"
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17:22<Tj>sillygoose: whenever update-grub was last run, it got the idea the file-system containing the kernels was in the LVM, not in nvme0n1p2
17:22<Tj>sillygoose: that usually happens when you forget to mount that partition and so write the boot files to the root filesystem
17:22<Tj>sillygoose: let's check if that is the case!
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17:23<Tj>sillygoose: "mkdir /mnt/rootfs; mount /dev/mapper/navi-root /mnt/rootfs; find /mnt/rootfs/boot/" - if I'm correct you're going to see a load of vmlinux/initd.img and grub files
17:23<sillygoose>that makes sense, because i compiled it with no fakeroot/chroot i just compiled it as bindeb-pkg in my home dir and then installed
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17:25<sillygoose>there is nothing in /mnt/rootfs/boot
17:25<Tj>hmmm, that is surprising.
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17:25<sillygoose>there are the vmlinuz/initrd.img files in /target/boot
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17:26<Tj>can you see the rest of the rootfs as you'd expect with "ls -l /mnt/rootfs/
17:26<sillygoose>yes i can
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17:26<sillygoose>p2 is mounted currently to /target/boot
17:26<Tj>sillygoose: correct, and we're looking at the root-fs without that sitting on ./boot/ by mounting root-fs elsewhere
17:26<Tj>sillygoose: OK, "umount /mnt/rootfs"
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17:27<Tj>sillygoose: lets try to redo things and see if "it just works" - worry about what happened later
17:27<Tj>sillygoose: "chroot /target update-grub" then pastebin the new "/target/boot/grub/grub.cfg"
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17:27<sillygoose>alright, might it be because navi-root doesn't have boot on it?
17:28<sillygoose>yeah exactly
17:28<Tj>when there is a separate /boot/ file-system, the root-fs will have an empty directory (mount-point) ./boot/
17:28<sillygoose>yes
17:29<sillygoose>so then why would there be the vmlinux/initd.img and grub files in ./boot?
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17:30<Tj>usually when this breaks it is because the /boot/ file-system was not mounted, so update-grub finds the ./boot/ directory in the root-fs, and sees that is an LVM LV, and records that as the *GRUB* root file-system (where to find grub files and kernels)
17:31<sillygoose>hmm update-grub command not found wtf?
17:31<Tj>sillygoose: you did "chroot /target update-grub" ?
17:31<sillygoose>eyeah
17:32<sillygoose>chroot: failed to run command 'update-grub': No such file or directory
17:32<Tj>sillygoose: hmmm! you broke it :) "chroot /target dpkg -S bin/update-grub £
17:32<Tj>oops, no £ !
17:33<sillygoose>man how did THAT get broken ahaha
17:33<Tj>sillygoose: have you previously tried to fix this using a chroot?
17:33<sillygoose>I have not
17:33<Tj>the mystery deepens
17:33<Tj>sillygoose: does dpkg report the file and package?
17:33<sillygoose>yes
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17:34<Tj>sillygoose: "ls -l /target/sbin/update-grub" - does it exist, are its eXecutable bits set? ??x??x??x
17:35<sillygoose>yeah
17:35<sillygoose>exists and is executable
17:35<Tj>sillygoose: lets try the exact path. You may have broken the search PATH! "chroot /target /sbin/update-grub"
17:36<sillygoose>jesus christ what did I DO
17:36<Tj>you broked it !
17:36<sillygoose>/sbin/update-grub: 3: exec: grub-mkconfig: not found
17:36<Tj>sillygoose: Grrrr
17:36<sillygoose>did all relative paths get broken when I updated this?
17:36<sillygoose>holy shit
17:36<Tj>sillygoose: "chroot /target echo $PATH" ... can you tell us what that shows?
17:38<sillygoose>/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin/site_perl:/usr/bin/vendor_perl:/usr/bin/core_perl
17:38<Tj>you broke it!
17:38<Tj>it should be "/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin"
17:39<Tj>sillygoose: so you added something PERL and it wiped out PATH rather than inserting itself at the end
17:39<sillygoose>oh it must have been bison/something else this morning when i installed it, there were like 400 perl dependencies
17:40<Tj>check the end of /target/etc/profile - has it inserted a hard-coded PATH= ?
17:41<Tj>if not there, try "grep -rn PATH= /target/root/" in case it has been added for the root user
17:42<sillygoose>yes it does as part of an if statement at the start
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17:42<sillygoose>Tj: I think its just the default profile, the path is the same as what you posted
17:42<Tj>that is expected, set to the correct value, but something else is then overriding it
17:43<Tj>I was right with my "famous last words" !
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17:45<sillygoose>hm. i wish i had some sort of tripwire system
17:46<Tj>we probably need to search all dot-files; try this "find /target/etc /target/root -exec grep -l PATH= {} \+ "
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17:46<Tj>show me the list of files that reports; I may be able to spot the odd one out!
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17:47<Tj>could be something in /etc/profile.d/ or possibly /root/.profile or similar
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17:49<Tj>I wonder if there is a "/target/etc/profile.d/perlbin.sh" and if so what is in it
17:51<sillygoose>paste.debian.net/1211774
17:51<Tenkawa>or even .bash_profile or .bashrc
17:51<Tenkawa>right?
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17:53<Tenkawa>or /etc/bash.bashrc
17:53<Tenkawa>couple of different options
17:54<sillygoose>strangely enough /etc/zsh/zshenv is pretty limited.. doesn't seem right at all
17:54<sillygoose>but it doesnt match $PATH so i dont think its affecting it
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17:54<Tj>oh bugger!
17:54<Tenkawa>that would only get called if its your $SHELL
17:55<Tj>#No no no no no
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17:55<Tenkawa>Tj: huh?
17:55<tjcarter>zsh has a metric crapton of init files
17:55<Tenkawa>why is zsh running?
17:55<Tj>I'm such a pillock! "Linux version 5.13.12-arch1-1 (linux@archlinux)" ... that $PATH is from the booted LIVE! that path is specific to a bug in Arch
17:56<tjcarter>actually, one of the things that's probably kept me from getting into zsh is Debian's zsh comes with and kinda wants to use omz
17:56<Tj>sillygoose: we need to recheck the value
17:56<sillygoose>ue
17:56<tjcarter>that's CRAZY levels of bloatware
17:56<Tj>sillygoose: let's do it within the chroot; do "chroot /target" then, from the shell, do "echo $PATH" and check it
17:57<tjcarter>I mean, it results in a shell that could fly itself to the moon, land, build a colony there, lift off, and return safely to the Earth. All on its own power.
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17:57<sillygoose>/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/site_perl:/usr/bin/vendor_perl:/usr/bin/core_perl
17:57<Tj>sell it to NASA then
17:57<tjcarter>they don't need it, they have Elon Musk
17:58<sillygoose>so confused why /bin and /sbin aren't on there
17:58<Tj>sillygoose: urghh!! I did research on that path, and I can only find mention of that in some Arch bugs. let's do a harder search
17:59<Tj>sillygoose: still inside the chroot, "grep -rn site_perl /etc/* /etc/.* "
18:00<aindilis>anyway to install the latest firefox as a standalone on debian 10 without clobbering the existing profiles?
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18:02<sillygoose>letting it run
18:02<sillygoose>thisll be fun
18:03<Tj>sillygoose: there shouldn't be many matches under /etc/ for that
18:03<sillygoose>then maybe its just hanging?
18:03<sillygoose>when i ran it with sudo as user it reported nothing
18:03<sillygoose>what is this mystery? what is this rabbit hole??
18:04<sillygoose>right now im running it as root not via sudo and its reporting permission denied for a select few files and just hanging
18:04<Tj>unless it's following parent directories due to the .* !
18:04<Tj>sillygoose: Ctrl+C it
18:04<sillygoose>done
18:04<Tj>sillygoose: any matches whilst it was running?
18:04<sillygoose>nope
18:05<Tj>then I think for now we override it, get the system to boot natively, then you can fix that later!
18:05<sillygoose>good idea
18:05<Tj>sillygoose: stay inside the chroot, then "export PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" "
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18:06<Tj>I guess we could have just sourced /etc/profile too!
18:06<Tj>as in " . /etc/profile "
18:07<sillygoose>so now within the chroot update-grub?
18:07<Tj>sillygoose: once you've done that, let's get back to grub. "update-grub"
18:07<sillygoose>done
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18:08<Tj>sillygoose: then (from another terminal shell, or GUI file manager) copy /target/boot/grub/grub.cfg to a pastebin
18:10<sillygoose>paste.debian.net/1211776
18:10<Tj>it's done it again "set root='lvmid/tJrNy1-0T38-LF5o-PVoX-bQOE-5fTz-ad1sRk/KeHEIX-34SZ-x78h-abrK-8vjz-f9Y1-4S1nSN'"
18:10<sillygoose>am i clear to go ahead and manually remove that old 5.10.6 kernel and related files
18:11<sillygoose>what would cause it to do that?
18:11<Tj>don't change anything yet
18:13<sillygoose>ok so I have to properly set the UUID to p2 right?
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18:15<Tj>sillygoose: lets capture what update-grub is doing
18:15<sillygoose>in /target/etc/fstab i have the line "UUID=09468dcc-5733-4b99-b3d6-68fa78aff28c /boot" and then some further params about it
18:15<sillygoose>suprised its not doing anything
18:16<sillygoose>how do i capture what its doing
18:16<Tj>sillygoose: "exit" the chroot so you start from outside, then "chroot /target sh -x /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig -o /tmp/grub.test |& tee /tmp/grub.log" then pastebin /tmp/grub.log
18:17<Tj>the 'sh -x' will cause grub-mkconfig (a shell script) to report each command it executes
18:18<sillygoose>paste.debian.net/1211778
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18:19<sillygoose>huh line 67 and 69 seem accurate
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18:21<sillygoose>oh snap
18:21<sillygoose>connection dropped again for the past 30 seconds in case you said anything
18:23<Tj>no, just been reading
18:23<Tj>let's look at the file it created; pastebin /target/tmp/grub.test
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18:25<sillygoose>paste.debian.net/1211783
18:25<sillygoose>root is set again incorrectly
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18:29<Tj>sillygoose: that setting is comining from /usr/share/grub/grub-mkconfig_lib::prepare_grub_to_access_device()
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18:32<Tj>sillygoose: the only way I can see that going wrong is there is a GRUB device.map
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18:34<sillygoose>i don't have a device.map file in /target/boot/grub
18:34<sillygoose>strange
18:37<sillygoose>Tj: should I make one?
18:37<Tj>No! that's the weird part; GRUB_DEVICE_BOOT seems to be replaced by GRUB_DEVICE
18:38<sillygoose>yeah..
18:38<sillygoose>that is weird
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18:41<Tj>hmm, one thing I haven't seen but assumed could be causing this! can you show me "lsblk" from outside the chroot ?
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18:42<sillygoose>paste.debian.net/1211786
18:43<sillygoose>do you want UUIDS?
18:44<sillygoose>yeah try paste.debian.net/1211787/ instead
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18:48<Tj>found the problem
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18:48<Tj>not sure why it is happening though
18:48<Tj>"prepare_grub_to_access_device `${grub_probe} --target=device "${font_path}"`"
18:50<Tj>that is in /etc/grub.d/00_header line 221 or thereabouts
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18:51<srbaker>Heya folks. Quick question: by default does GNOME still use NetworkManager, or something systemd related?
18:51<sney>networkmanager
18:51<srbaker>Aha, thanks!
18:51<sillygoose>Tj: How did you figure that one out? Also why would this only manifest as a problem now?
18:51<Tj>if you compare what the code around that point actually writes into grub.cfg you can see that is why prepare_grub_to_access_device() is doing "set root=" at line 63 of grub.cfg
18:52<Tj>sillygoose: I'm comparing the code that generates grub.cfg to find which but caused lines 63 and 98
18:54<sillygoose>this is such a technical and odd problem. thank you for helping me through
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18:55<sillygoose>how do we fix it?
18:56<Tj>sillygoose: have you set GRUB_FONT ?
18:56<Tj>sillygoose: "grep -rn GRUB_FONT /target/etc/default/grub /target/etc/default/grub.d/* "
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18:57<pabs>so adfeno, which package did you file the bug against, and how did you file the bug and also describe your mail setup
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18:58<sillygoose>Tj: nothing returns
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18:59<adfeno>pabs: Filled against debian-cd; sent to submit at bugs.debian.org; if I recall correctly, the email provider I use connects to other servers using some cyphers from TLS 1.3 and also StartTLS.
19:00<Tj>hmm, OK, it's the theme then!
19:00<adfeno>The last bit might be the issue.
19:00<sillygoose>the grub theme?? as in the color scheme? weird that it would cause that
19:00<Tj>sillygoose: line 110 of /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme
19:01<pabs>adfeno: so you sent via authenticated SMTP to your mail provider, who then probably tried forwarding to the Debian BTS and it didn't work?
19:01<Tj>sillygoose: here's your problem
19:01<Tj>from grub.cfg: if background_image /usr/share/desktop-base/homeworld-theme/grub/grub-16x9.png; then
19:02<adfeno>pabs: correct.
19:02<Tj>sillygoose: you're supposed to put those files under /boot/grub/ and set that path
19:02<adfeno>Sending emails through my email provider to say, Gmail, Hotmail and so on works well.
19:03<sillygoose>sorry put which files? the theme files?
19:03<Tj>sillygoose: yes
19:03<adfeno>s/my/the/
19:03<pabs>adfeno: which domain would I look for in the logs?
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19:03<adfeno>The provider is hyperbola.info
19:04<adfeno>I also have the message ID, if you want.
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19:04<pabs>yes please
19:04<Tj> and reference that /boot/grub/... path whereever you set it. Presumably in /etc/default/grub ?
19:04<adfeno>Message-ID: <2fb3a6e3-a80d-cd62-9284-b618864f4bc1@hyperbola.info>
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19:06<Tj>sillygoose: I presume you set GRUB_THEME ?
19:07<pabs>adfeno: nothing in the logs for that msgid, looking more closely
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19:07<sillygoose>Uhhh I am trying I am a little lost. Do I cp /usr/share/desktop-base/homeworld-theme/grub/* to /boot/grub
19:07<adfeno>Do you think it iswise to resend?
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19:09<Tj>sillygoose: not right now - leave that to later once we've got it booting natively. Just find and disable/comment out the GRUB_THEME= which I assume is in /target/etc/default/grub
19:09<sillygoose>bad news
19:09<sillygoose>there is no GRUB_THEME in it
19:10<Tj>sillygoose: huh!!?
19:10<sillygoose>i know...
19:10<adfeno>pabs: Do you think it iswise to resend?
19:10<Tj>best to show me the entire contents! pastebin ( cat /target/etc/default/grub /target/etc/grub.d/* )
19:10<Tj>sillygoose:^
19:11<pabs>adfeno: looks like a TLS error, so resending probably will not work https://paste.debian.net/hidden/4b0336ec/
19:12<pabs>I would have thought exim in Debian buster supported TLS 1.3, but maybe not.
19:13<pabs>hmm, but the log says TLS1.2 anyway?
19:13<Tj>sillygoose: I also have a quick fix for this; We'll stop the 05_debian_theme script from being executable! do "chmod -x /target/etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme "
19:13<Tj>sillygoose: however, this may not stop prepare_... from reading the wrong device; we'll have to test
19:13<adfeno>pabs: Perhaps supporting StartTLS is enough?
19:14<pabs>fairly sure that is supported
19:14<adfeno>I wonder if Debian's server setup supports that.
19:15<sillygoose>Tj: default/grub paste.debian.net/1211793/ and default/grub.d paste.debian.net/1211795
19:15<adfeno>I'm not an expert on this (I only know because I was informed about other servers with similar issues)
19:15<Tj>sillygoose: looks like GRUB_FONT being set will cause 00_header to also generate the wrong path, need to dig into that too!
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19:15<sillygoose>how the hell did this just start being a problem
19:15<sillygoose>thats the weirdest part
19:16<sillygoose>sorry pardon my language ^-^
19:16<adfeno>pabs: What about investigating the "TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256" part ?
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19:18<pabs>adfeno: any idea how your provider validates TLS certs? do they use DANE? or are they using the web PKI CAs? currently Debian uses self-signed SMTP certs and DANE to authenticate them
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19:18<Tj>sillygoose: you found it! This isn't from Debian so far as I can tell. "grub-mkconfig helper script." in /etc/default/grub.d/ you appear to have one or more files that ought not be there
19:19<Tj>sillygoose: can you show me " find /target/etc/default/grub.d -ls "
19:19<pabs>adfeno: if it is caused by our certs, there is an in-progress ticket about switching to certs signed by web PKI CAs
19:20<sillygoose>Tj: paste.debian.net/1211798
19:20<adfeno>Good question, although I know little about it. They do have somepeople at #hyperbola channel at irc.libera.chat, at random times. I'll ask there.
19:21<Tj>sillygoose: hmmph! that is empty; did I give you the wrong command earlier!!?
19:22<sillygoose>maybe i messed it up - doubt it was you
19:22<sillygoose>which command
19:22<Tj>sillygoose: oh gawd, I typoed the cat ... /target/etc/grub.d/ I had meant /target/etc/default/grub.d/ --- don't need it, that was a false alarm, so still no nearer
19:22<sillygoose>but those random files -- they might be the problem?
19:23<Tj>sillygoose: which ones? the output from /etc/grub.d/ is exactly as expected :)
19:23<Tj>those are the scripts used to build grub.cfg
19:23<sillygoose>in /etc/default/grub.d/
19:23<Tj>sillygoose: yes
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19:24<Tj>sillygoose: we have TWO scripts calling prepare_grub_to_access_device() which are generating those incorrect set root=lvm/...
19:24<adfeno>pabs: just asked there. Will wait for reply.
19:24<adfeno>I'll report back when I have it.
19:24<sillygoose>Tj: how can we trace what is spawning them
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19:25<Tj>sillygoose: the one on line 98 of grub.cfg is done by code in 05_debian_theme BUT the entry on line 63 is coming from 00_header line 198 when "if [ "x$gfxterm" = x1 ]; then ..."
19:26<Tj>sillygoose: this is starting to look like a genuine bug
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19:26<sillygoose>at least maybeI didn't mess it up
19:26<sillygoose>still so confused why this would just happen now
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19:28<pabs>adfeno: I joined there :)
19:29<sillygoose>Tj: which files were unnecessary
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19:29<Tj>sillygoose: me too - I'm just trying to find a way to stop this so we can fix the boot for now
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19:30<Tj>sillygoose: right now I think having GRUB_GFXMODE= set in /etc/default/grub is triggering this
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19:31<Tj>sillygoose: I'm double-checking the code on that now
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19:46<Tj>sillygoose: OK, I've finally got it. when GRUB_TERMINAL= or GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT= are not set, *AND* GRUB_GFXMODE= is set, that causes GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT=gfxterm ...later in 00_header line 183 it does gfxterm=1; and then line 195 is triggered "if [ "x$gfxterm" = x1 ]; then" which on line 198 does prepare_grub_to_access_device `${grub_probe} --target=device "${GRUB_FONT}"`
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19:47<Tj>sillygoose: so for now lets just tell GRUB to use text-mode console so we can get this thing booting
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19:48<sillygoose>I commented it GRUB_GFXMODE in /etc/default/grub
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19:49<sillygoose>mkconfig time?
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19:50<Tj>sillygoose: not sure that'll be enough since when it isn't there the scripts set it to "auto"
19:50<Tj>let's force it to be text mode for now
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19:51<Tj>hmmm, try it !
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19:52<Tj>sillygoose: "chroot /target /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig -o /tmp/grub.test"
19:53<sillygoose>I forced text mode and disabled gfx mode (when i disabled gfxmode on its own, the setroot-lvm was still there) and grub-mkconfig'd within chroot and the line seems to be gone now
19:53<Tj>sillygoose: then "grep -n 'set root=' /target/tmp/grub.test"
19:54<sillygoose>nothing :)
19:54<sillygoose>wow
19:54<sillygoose>hours later
19:54<sillygoose>finally time to reboot i suppose
19:54<Tj>sillygoose: so you've got a "set root=09468dcc-5733-4b99-b3d6-68fa78aff28c " or similar?
19:54<Tj>oh, that's right, there shouldn't be one at all!!
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19:54<Tj>sillygoose: no, let's do another step, grub-install.
19:55<Tj>but you'll need to "export PATH=..." again inside the chroot
19:55<Tj>so "chroot /target" then "export PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin"
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19:56<Tj>sillygoose: then you can do "grub-install --verbose |& tee /tmp/grub-install.log"
19:56<Tj>sillygoose: that will capture a very verbose log file; once it is done, from another shell, pastebin /target/tmp/grub.install.log
19:58<sillygoose>other than it complaining efivars are not supported
19:58<sillygoose>no errors according to it
19:58<Tj>oh no!!
19:58<Tj>that means your rescue env didn't boot in EFI mode
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19:59<Tj>sillygoose: that might be a problem but lets hope not ... try a reboot!
19:59<sillygoose>i sure hope not
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19:59<sillygoose>i swear i booted in efi mode
19:59<Tj>ahh, you did!
19:59<Tj>so that would mean the efivars file-system didn't get mounted.
20:00<Tj>that's my fault; I didn't have you do an --rbind of /sys to /target/sys, we mounted only sysfs to /target/sys
20:00<Tj>I hope we've done enough to get it to boot
20:01<sillygoose>i haven't rebooted yet should i do that now and then reinstall?
20:01<Tj>just reboot and lets see; if it does and it has network come on IRC from it
20:01<Tj>I can't spend much more time now, its gone 1am here!
20:02<sillygoose>oh my god hahah so sorry
20:02<sillygoose>not gonna send you the install log in that case
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20:04<sillygoose>oh no
20:05<Tj>problem?
20:07<sillygoose>yea
20:07<sillygoose>now it doens't all happen instantanesouly
20:07<sillygoose>but
20:07<sillygoose>stlil wont boot
20:07<sillygoose>oh well
20:07<Tj>let's fix it, stay in GRUB
20:08<Tj>can you get to a grub shell ?
20:08<sillygoose>yea
20:08<Tj>usually pressing 'c' at the menu
20:08<Tj>good; do "set pager=1" to stop messages scrolling out of sight
20:08<sillygoose>done
20:08<Tj>then do "echo $root" and "echo $prefix"
20:09<Tj>root is the file-system where grub lives; prefix is the path into that file-system where grub is
20:09<Tj>what is prefix set to?
20:09<sillygoose>first returns as hd2,gpt2 second returns as (hd2,gpt2)/grub
20:09<Tj>which is correct!
20:09<Tj>so if you do "ls $prefix/" do you see grub.cfg"
20:09<sillygoose>yes
20:10<Tj>ok, am I correct in assuming you did get the GRUB menu, but entries didn't start?
20:10<sillygoose>yes
20:11<Tj>so I'm going to guess that grub.cfg still has a bad "set root=" in it
20:11<Tj>so when GRUB loads it, it changes those values and breaks
20:11<Tj>so now I'll show you how to boot it manually
20:12<Tj>first we'll check you can see the exact file-names of the vmlinuz/initrd.img files. You're going to choose a matching pair and have to type their names manually in a couple of commands
20:13<Tj>so "ls ($root)/" and you should see them
20:13<sillygoose>yeah i can see both
20:14<sillygoose>vmlinuz-5.14.3-lowlatency and initrd.img-5.14.3-lowlatency
20:14<Tj>assuming you see theis version do "linux /vmlinuz-5.14.3-lowlatency root=/dev/mapper/navi-root ro debug"
20:15<Tj>then do "initrd /initrd.img-5.14.3-lowlatency"
20:15<Tj>then "boot"
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20:15<sillygoose>woah
20:15<sillygoose>there was something
20:15<sillygoose>different than before but I believe it just fialed again
20:15<Tj>is it starting the kernel
20:15<sillygoose>that time
20:16<sillygoose>there was a giant flash of red
20:16<Tj>the first command loaded the kernel into memory; 2nd the initrd, 3rd started the kernel
20:16<sillygoose>and a lot of text gone to quick to read. let me try again but this time im going to take a slo mo video on my phone and freeze frame to relay the text
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20:16<sillygoose>i mean
20:16<Tj>it should hit the initrd code and request the LUKS unlock passphrase
20:17<sillygoose>i think it failed again, because everything went blank and then it stopped recieving video input
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20:17<Tj>the display has gone blank? or just stopped updating?
20:17<sillygoose>it went fully blank
20:17<sillygoose>after a few seconds of text showing up
20:17<Tj>try tapping Esc key
20:17<Tj>sounds like the splash screen taking over
20:18<sillygoose>well the monitor stops receiving input, it says no input detected
20:18<Tj>really!? that's not usual at all
20:18<Tj>do you have multiple monitors on it?
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20:19<Tj>maybe this is a result of your self-built kernel, let's reboot and go through that again but choose a Debian kernel
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20:20<Tj>we should try vmlinuz-5.10.0-8-amd64
20:21<sillygoose>nope
20:22<Tj>can you remember the command sequence and syntax?
20:22<sillygoose>yes
20:22<Tj>sillygoose: make sure on the linux ... line that I've given you the correct root=/dev/mapper/
20:22<Tj>It was /dev/mapper/navi-root wasn't it?
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20:23<Tj>because if I got that wrong it could cause the initrd to fail and drop you to a busybox shell
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20:23<Tj>(wouldn't lose video output though)
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20:25<sillygoose>also fails with old kernel now
20:25<sillygoose>wtf
20:25<sillygoose>loses video output
20:25<sillygoose>no prompt
20:26<sillygoose>root=/dev/mapper/navi-root should be correct
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20:28<Tj>oh! you have "threadirqs" on your entries; add that
20:29<Tj>that's a kernel commandline option from your grub.cfg maybe essential
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20:30<Tj>your grub.cfg has "linux /vmlinuz-5.10.0-8-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/navi-root ro quiet threadirqs" ... don't want 'quiet' right now since you want as much info as possible
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20:33<sillygoose>something i will note
20:33<sillygoose>it still seems to be booting into graphical mode
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20:33<sillygoose>becaues im seeing color
20:33<sillygoose>i entered command line
20:34<sillygoose>then returned back to the menu with normal
20:34<sillygoose>and it was black and seemed to be in console mode
20:34<sillygoose>not to mention it had different options
20:34<sillygoose>there were now the two kernels listed separately
20:34<sillygoose>and recovery mode options for both of them
20:34<Tj>that is when you load a 2nd copy of grub.cfg
20:35<sillygoose>why would it still be in graphical mode though
20:35<sillygoose>it launches into it it seems
20:35<Tj>when you do "normal" it loads grub.cfg
20:35<Tj>to return to menu from shell just tap Esc
20:36<Tj>so right now, you cannot get any kernel/initrd pair to boot ?
20:38<sillygoose>oh wow
20:38<sillygoose>ok major update
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20:38<sillygoose>using debug and old kernel and initram and then booting
20:38<sillygoose>I see that there is a kernel panic
20:39<sillygoose>Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root as fs on unknown-block(0,0)
20:40<Tj>good, so that should also have dropped to the busybox shell
20:40<Tj>try to tap keys and see if the shell appears
20:40<Tj>oftentimes it's lost in the console log messages
20:41<Tj>you get that since the LUKS didn't get unlocked
20:41<Tj>i usually tap Enter key a few times
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20:42<sillygoose>ok
20:42<sillygoose>i rebooted
20:42<sillygoose>and
20:42<sillygoose>now it didnt kernel panic and prompted to decrypt
20:42<Tj>good!
20:42<sillygoose>i did and it set up
20:42<sillygoose>but
20:43<sillygoose>No root device specified. Boot arguments must include a root= parameter
20:43<sillygoose>Which I did do
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20:43<sillygoose>regardless I am now in the busybox shell
20:43<Tj>do you have a shell? oh, good, then lets fix it!
20:44<Tj>first, check you can see the real root fs; "ls /dev/mapper/" you should be seeing the LVM LVs
20:44<Tj>this assumes you correctly unlocked the LUKS device, which would be at /dev/mapper/navi ?
20:44<sillygoose>yeah i can see navi navi-home, navi-root etc
20:44<Tj>good
20:44<Tj>now check the kernel command-line "cat /proc/cmdline" is root= set correctly?
20:45<sillygoose>nothing returns
20:47<Tj>nothing at all?
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20:47<sillygoose>nope
20:47<Tj>that should contain the options from GRUBs linux /vmlinuz...
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20:49<Tj>we can try to jump-start it with "export ROOT=/dev/mapper/navi-root" and then press Ctrl+D to recommence the init script
20:49<Tj>not sure that'll work but otherwise you'd need to reboot and ensure the options are passed correctly by GRUB with the "linux ..." line
20:50<sillygoose>could part of the problem be that navi-root isnt in /dev/mapper until its been decrypted and it fails to see that at boottime since it hasn't been decypted yet so then it falls back onto something else?
20:50<sillygoose>i know that would be strange behavior especially out of the blue
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20:50<sillygoose>mount: mounting on /root failed: No such file or directory
20:50<sillygoose>Failed to mount as root file system
20:51<Tj>if /proc/cmdline is empty then GRUB didn't pass it
20:51<sillygoose>right but that was after Ctrl+D
20:52<Tj>and that is relied on by the /init script; it scans /proc/cmdline and looks for root= and transfers the value to an env-var ROOT=
20:52<Tj>that failure would be due to where the script dropped to shell, some things weren't ready
20:53<sillygoose>back in the grub command line after a reboot
20:53<Tj>ok, add something else
20:54<Tj>as well as "root=/dev/mapper/navi-root ro threadirqs break=mount"
20:54<Tj>note the "break=mount" - this tells the /init script to stop just before trying to mount the root-fs; that will allow you to ensure it is there and vars set
20:55<Tj>then as long as all looks good, can continue with Ctrl+D
20:56<sillygoose>i think we can actually boot
20:56<sillygoose>we can!
20:56<sillygoose>logged in and at my wm now
20:56<sillygoose>break=mount seemed to do the trick
20:57<Tj>phew!!!
20:57<Tj>don't reboot it until all the problems are fixed
20:57<Tj>check the value of PATH!
20:58<Tj>both as normal user, and then do "sudo -i" and "echo $PATH"
20:58<sillygoose>path is messed up!
20:58<Tj>right, so get that solved first, because that is going to break everything else
20:59<sillygoose>$PATH is correct for root not for user
20:59<sillygoose>should I look for what is changing $PATH or just set it manually for now
21:00<Tj>then do some update-initramfs -u -k XXXX for /ONE/ older kernel, "update-grub", check there's no bad "set root=" in grub.cfg, reboot, test the rebuilt initrd version doesn't fail and the system boots correctly, then repeat for other kernel versions
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21:00<Tj>if it only affects user, it'll like be something in $HOME
21:00<Tj>what shell are you using?
21:01<sillygoose>zsh and interestingly enough path differs from when i was in the live iso. this time it is just missing all sbin instances
21:01<Tj>sillygoose: no it isn't
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21:01<Tj>that is normal
21:01<Tj>users' don't get to any sbin's
21:01<sillygoose>oh yeah im dumb
21:01<sillygoose>ok then its fine
21:02<Tj>right, so move on with the rebuilding initrd, grub.cfg, test, etc.
21:02<Tj>I have to go to bed now; it's gone 2am
21:02<sillygoose>goodnight friend, i appreciate all your help
21:02<Tj>please don't break it again!!
21:02<sillygoose>haha ill try not to, just want to figure out how to get this kernel to work though :/
21:03<Tj>that's minor for now; get the PC stable first
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21:04<sillygoose>ok i will do as you said
21:04<Tj>building a new kernel from mainline is pretty straightforward
21:04<sillygoose>thats all i did, i swear
21:04<sillygoose>so confused how this could have happened
21:04<Tj>the best thing is to copy the kernel config from the Debian kernel, then run "make olddefconfig" to update it with any new values
21:05<Tj>then build
21:05<sillygoose>thats exactly what i did, i did change some values for low latency but then i built and installed
21:05<Tj>also, good to do an out-of-tree build so source and binaries are in different directories
21:06<Tj>if you can ensure GRUB is working reliably you can retest booting the 5.14 you've installed
21:06<Tj>if it still fails you know you've got something wrong in the kernel config vs the Debian kernels
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21:07<sillygoose>makes sense
21:07<sillygoose>alright go get some shut eye
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21:08<sillygoose>if anything goes wrong, dont hate me but i might come back with a question or two. promise not to take this much time up next time though:)
21:09<Tj>out-of-tree build. Assume you're in the base of the kernel source. "mkdir -p ../builds/amd64; cp /boot/config-5.10.0-8-amd64 ../builds/amd64; make O=../builds/amd64 olddefconfig; make O=../builds/amd64 menuconfig" - do your changes = "make O=../builds/amd64 -j$(nproc) bindeb-pkg"
21:09<Tj>built .deb packages in ../builds/
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21:10<Tj>then install all but the -dbg- .deb with dpkg -i
21:10<sillygoose>gotcha
21:11<sillygoose>strange because i essentially did just that
21:11<sillygoose>albeit it wasn't out of build and also i had ran make clean prior so
21:11<sillygoose>after a failed compile
21:11<Tj>I don't think the kernel build caused this, I think it was related to setting the GFX mode for GRUB
21:11<Tj>since that was the trigger for the wrong set root=
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21:11<sillygoose>the weird thing is
21:12<sillygoose>why doesnt this grub.cfg get sourced on startup
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21:12<sillygoose>because there is only one option
21:12<sillygoose>i have to enter command line and then use normal to bring this up
21:12<sillygoose>since its the main grub.cfg shouldn't it start up with that ?
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21:13<Tj>that ought to be fixed by a grub-install (worth checking what's in the minimal /boot/efi/EFI/debian/grub.cfg
21:13<Tj>that should set the correct root=/prefix= for core image
21:13<Tj>if that is wrong that might be the cause
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21:14<sillygoose>i booted without efi this time i guess? /boot/efi is empty
21:14<Tj>eh?
21:14<sillygoose>so weird
21:14<Tj>that doesn't make sense; and might be part of the issue
21:15<sillygoose>this is an efi install too
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21:15<Tj>I wonder if you've got both EFI and BIOS grub installs
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21:15<Tj>if /boot/efi is empty that probably means the EFI-SP was not mounted
21:15<Tj>so check that
21:16<Tj>"mount | grep efi"
21:16<Tj>or better, "lsblk"
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21:16<sillygoose>nope nvme0n1p1 is mounted at /boot/efi
21:16<Tj>it can't be empty then
21:16<sillygoose>efivars on /sys/firmware/efi/efivars type efivars
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21:17<sillygoose>oh perms are weird on that directory i couldnt see inside
21:17<Tj>we know from the diags we did that the EFI-SP has correct files in it
21:17<sillygoose>is it supposed to be 700?
21:17<Tj>yes, root only
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21:18<Tj>what's in /boot/efi/EFI/debian/grub.cfg that sets root
21:19<sillygoose>so the search.fs_uuid is the right uuid
21:19<Tj>for p2?
21:19<sillygoose>yep
21:19<sillygoose>but
21:20<Tj>does it also have "configfile $prefix/grub.cfg "
21:20<sillygoose>set prefix=($root)'/grub'
21:20<sillygoose>and configfile $prefix/grub.cfg
21:20<Tj>good
21:20<sillygoose>i will say that the kernel images are in /boot and not /boot/grub where the prefix would point to
21:20<Tj>so they are correct, so the problem is in that main $prefix/grub.cfg (/boot/grub/grub.cfg)
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21:21<Tj>that is correct
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21:21<Tj>root= is the 'root' of the file-system where grub lives
21:21<Tj>and prefix is set as the path to the grub directory for GRUB to find its own files
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21:22<Tj>the root= file system must hold all the files GRUB needs in order to load and execute the OS
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21:23<sillygoose>so should i go and trace through /etc/default/grub again ?
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21:23<sillygoose>since thats where this is sourcing its settings from?
21:24<Tj>at this stage the main thing is to read /boot/grub/grub.cfg and see if there is anything there changing where GRUB looks for files, and that is mostly an over-ride with set root=
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21:24<Tj>because all paths for commands like linux /path/to/vmlinuz and initrd /path/to/intrd are based on the value of 'root'
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21:25<sillygoose>i will say
21:26<sillygoose>as im parsing through this
21:26<sillygoose>i see in the menuentry section
21:26<Tj>I do think the current code in 00_header and 05_debian_theme is buggy because it assumes GRUB is in the same file-system as the theme/background/font files
21:26<sillygoose>menuentry 'Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 5.10.0-8-amd64' --class debian --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os $menuentry_id_option 'gnulinux-5.10.0-8-amd64-advanced-b3171a4e-7f6d-4d3d-8874-f6c9b7c8fe50'
21:27<Tj>you should have some search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 09468dcc-5733-4b99-b3d6-68fa78aff28c
21:27<sillygoose>that last part is the uuid for navi-root
21:27<sillygoose>im not sure if that is affecting anything the uuids are right for --set=root
21:28<Tj>those parts are fine
21:28<sillygoose>again no set roots are showing up for me
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21:29<Tj>so not clear why it isn't booting cleanly
21:29<Tj>there's a trick I use which may help here, to diagnose these without rebooting
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21:30<sillygoose>whats the trick!
21:31<sarnold>this one simple trick to diagnose boot problems will shock you!
21:31<Tj>I create a virtual machine with its storage device being the /dev/nvme0n1 and test booting to a kernel + initrd (but not the entire OS!) by manually altering the linux vmlinuiz... line to have "break=init" on it - that stops the initrs just before it starts the real init system
21:33<Tj>I use virt-manager, create the guest but choose "customise " before booting it for the first time, and then on the Overview section choose UEFI boot (not BIOS)
21:33<twb>sarnold: "it involes placing a paperclip across the 250V line!"
21:33<sillygoose>should i use a grub-install after using update-grub ?
21:33<sarnold>twb: hahah :)
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21:33<Tj>To make this work seemlessly I also copy the GRUB EFI boot file to the UEFI removable media path at /boot/efi/BOOT/BOOTX64.efi
21:34<Tj>sillygoose: I usually do both if in doubt
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21:35<sillygoose>i just updated
21:35<hendursaga>Is there/what is the Debian package equivalent to https://developer.arm.com/tools-and-software/open-source-software/developer-tools/gnu-toolchain/gnu-rm ?
21:35<Tj>sillygoose: if you want to do that, check which file the firmware actually loads, with "efibootmgr -v" and make that the BOOTX64.EFI
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21:36<hendursaga>I.e. the GNU Arm Embedded Toolchain
21:37<sillygoose>hey Tj! you can rest peacefully knowing that after a reboot i went to advanced options and then to 5.10 and was able to boot in
21:37<Tj>sillygoose: YAY!!!
21:38<Tj>I'm going before it breaks again :D
21:38<sillygoose>hahahahha
21:38<hendursaga>Would it be gcc-arm-none-eabi?
21:38<sillygoose>sleep well friend
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21:42<sillygoose>5.10 works 5.14 doesn't. going to go remove 5.14 vmlinuz and initrd, delete the source and redownload it, make the changes make oldconfig. do out of tree build, install. will i need to manually update grub or initramfs after this? or will dpkg handle it
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21:42<sney>if you make the bindeb-pkg targets it should have all of the initramfs/grub hooks in the package
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23:55<easternonion>I was here ealier getting help for a few hours fixing grub. I am trying to upgrade my kernel to 5.14, I built off mainline source with some low latency tweaks. Everything compiled and installed perfectly. I am still unable to boot into it. The grub.cfg seems to be correct, but I cannot get much information out of the process. Even with debug and break=init on there is no helpful
23:55<easternonion>output as to why it cannot boot into it. What happens is, I select the 5.14 menuentry on grub and then I see some text scroll only for the screen to go black and my monitor stops receiving any video input.
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23:56<somiaj>easternonion: not to derail you from learning how to build your own kernels, but do the debian real time (rt) kernels include the low latency tweaks you want?
23:57<somiaj>,i linux-image-rt-amd64
23:57<judd>Package linux-image-rt-amd64 (kernel, optional) in bullseye/amd64: Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package). Version: 5.10.46-4; Size: 1.4k; Installed: 13k; Homepage: https://www.kernel.org/
23:57<easternonion>Well, I didn't want to use the realtime kernels because I actually encountered more xruns with them. Plus this makes for a good learning opportunity
23:57<easternonion>somiaj: ^
23:58<somiaj>as for your monintor reciveing now video imput, maybe there is an issue with yoru kms drivers, try adding the 'nomodeset' parameter when y ou boot
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