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| 00:14 | <un214> | where's the instructions on how to backport packages from sid? |
| 00:15 | <sney> | !ssb |
| 00:15 | <dpkg> | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 00:17 | <un214> | huh? apt-get source as root failed with a permission denied error |
| 00:17 | <un214> | correction: it's a warning telling me it had to not sandbox the download |
| 00:18 | <sney> | apt source doesn't need to be root, it's a download to a local directory |
| 00:19 | <un214> | ah; I'm in the habit of building packages that will be installed as root as root as well |
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| 00:19 | <un214> | since the resulting dpkg file will be able to run arbitrary commands as root anyway |
| 00:20 | <sney> | sure, just try it unprivileged |
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| 00:23 | <un214> | whelp, doesn't matter; the qemu package can't be backported |
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| 00:29 | <un214> | an upstream tarball makes it through ./configure ; let's see if that works at least |
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| 01:03 | <jcbjoe2021> | if my host machine has 16gb ram and i set my virtualbox to 256MB is that a problem. for some reason when i type in debian gnome on the terminal it stutters |
| 01:03 | <raven523> | 256MB is small for a modern installtion |
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| 01:04 | <jcbjoe2021> | i don't know what to do. ive tried VMSSVGA VboxSVGA VboxVGA and nothing works |
| 01:05 | <jcbjoe2021> | all at 256MB ram |
| 01:05 | <sney> | you never answered whether it was xorg or wayland |
| 01:05 | <awal1> | 256mb for gnome? lol you at least need 2gb or more |
| 01:06 | <jcbjoe2021> | oh sney im on a mac with a new irc client i've never used. it dosen't save the history. probably does but i haven't configured it yet |
| 01:06 | <jcbjoe2021> | let me look |
| 01:06 | <sney> | I take it you are saying 256MB video memory, which is fine, system memory should be minimum 2GB for a desktop though |
| 01:06 | <jcbjoe2021> | my swap is 1gig it was setup like that when i installed debian |
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| 01:07 | <awal1> | jcbjoe2021, a quick search about gnome system requirements https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements |
| 01:08 | <jcbjoe2021> | hmm |
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| 01:08 | <sney> | yes, if you actually have 256MB of *system* memory that is way too small, and using swap will make it slow |
| 01:08 | <awal1> | as sney says you may meant video memory |
| 01:09 | <awal1> | he said swap 1gb, so i guess he is confused |
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| 01:09 | <jcbjoe2021> | my video memory is 256mb and my swap is 1gig don't know if this has to do with anything |
| 01:10 | <jcbjoe2021> | i thought swap was suppose to be 4 gigs |
| 01:10 | <awal1> | if you open a term an run this: free -m , things will be clearer |
| 01:11 | <sney> | you don't really need swap at all for a VM, as long as your system memory is reasonable |
| 01:12 | <jcbjoe2021> | if memory serves this was easier on real hardware |
| 01:12 | <awal1> | jcbjoe2021, if you can open a terminal, what says: free -h |
| 01:12 | <sney> | gnome on debian uses wayland by default. wayland support in virtualbox's emulated gpu is probably not good, so that's why I asked whether you were using xorg or wayland. twice |
| 01:13 | <jcbjoe2021> | opening debian right now |
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| 01:21 | <jcbjoe2021> | sney: there is gnome classic gnome on xorg or just regular gnome |
| 01:21 | <sney> | ok, try with gnome on xorg. |
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| 01:21 | <jcbjoe2021> | ok |
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| 01:23 | <jcbjoe2021> | i really need to be in debian not the host machine |
| 01:23 | <alex11> | i should give gnome a try (current xfce user) but their applications (file manager etc) annoy me |
| 01:23 | <jcbjoe2021> | whats a good irc client for linux xchat right? |
| 01:23 | <alex11> | hexchat |
| 01:23 | <jcbjoe2021> | ok |
| 01:23 | <alex11> | or weechat/irssi if you prefer terminal |
| 01:24 | <jcbjoe2021> | alex11: i used to use weechat a lot with the scripts and stuff |
| 01:24 | <jcbjoe2021> | brb |
| 01:24 | <mooff> | alex11: use Gnome extensions and spend an hour tweaking some to your liking |
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| 01:24 | <mooff> | use a different file manager, other programs if you want to |
| 01:24 | <alex11> | i guess |
| 01:25 | <alex11> | think i'll just stay on xfce ultimately |
| 01:25 | <mooff> | you can get a good desktop setup with Gnome, even though it's annoying |
| 01:25 | <mooff> | (for as long as that lasts) |
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| 01:31 | * | tjcarter bops mooff with a Gnome extension that opens a terminal and runs weechat 😁 |
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| 01:32 | <alex11> | i do think super as a keyboard shortcut is an interesting idea |
| 01:33 | <alex11> | and may be slightly easier than i3wm where you need at least two keys pressed to do window management stuff |
| 01:34 | <tjcarter> | alex11: I have taken to using super for most of my DE-wide keys to leave Ctrl and Alt alone for applications to use. I ditched Ctrl-Alt-T for starting a terminal … Super-Enter |
| 01:34 | <alex11> | what's really annoying is when you want to use keys like super in i3 and have to open xmodmap and figure out how to do it |
| 01:35 | <alex11> | ugh |
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| 01:35 | <tjcarter> | DEs do have their advantages, yes. |
| 01:36 | <alex11> | and then ctrl/alt conflicts with so many applications |
| 01:36 | <tjcarter> | The happy medium, I suspect, is for the WM to lack a configuration interface, but have a separate program for that. |
| 01:36 | <joe_> | sney, any command you want me to run. when i open gnome and click activities and go to search and type terminal it stutters really bad. still unknown display |
| 01:36 | <tjcarter> | Window Maker was like that. |
| 01:36 | <alex11> | so yeah i guess in a limited way gnome is the DE version of i3 |
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| 01:37 | <tjcarter> | Except that while i3 doesn't do stuff because you're expected to get other software to do that, Gnome doesn't do stuff because the devs have declared that you should not want it to work that way. |
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| 01:38 | <tjcarter> | (I've been a Cinnamon user but seriously considering XFCE or even LXQt in the future.) |
| 01:39 | <jcbjoe2021> | i used xfce all the time when i did have a high spec computer. worked like a charm |
| 01:40 | <alex11> | i hear comments all the time of, why do you use xfce, do you have a low end system? and no, it's just because i like it |
| 01:40 | <sney> | jcbjoe2021: no, if the problem is the same with gnome on xorg then it's probably just some issue with the virtualbox gpu code. |
| 01:41 | <jcbjoe2021> | dam |
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| 01:41 | <jcbjoe2021> | nobody is talking in virtualbox on libre irc and oftc irc |
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| 01:42 | <tjcarter> | alex11: no sense in wasting system resources if you don't need to. I always favor using what works for you. Some people like to gatekeep … I reject that on principle. |
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| 02:05 | <mooff> | alex11: fwiw i used Gnome from Feb last year until ~Feb this year |
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| 02:06 | <mooff> | then switched back to i3 |
| 02:06 | <mooff> | you can set two key shortcuts for moving windows with i3 if you like |
| 02:06 | <mooff> | yes, reading what X calls the keys can be annoying. i use xev |
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| 02:21 | <jcbjoe2021> | sney, i'm up and running smeed like VBoxSVG worked without 3d acceleration |
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| 02:33 | <MJK> | hello. i have a fresh install of debian 11 bullseye. is it normal that i cannot auto complete dpkg-reconfigure? i would need to run it via /usr/sbin. feels like that some shell scripts will fail cause of that. |
| 02:33 | <mooff> | joe_: many of the stutters were improved from 3.32 - 3.38 |
| 02:34 | <mooff> | do you know which version you're using? |
| 02:34 | <mooff> | and which video driver? |
| 02:35 | <sney> | !buster su |
| 02:35 | <dpkg> | Starting with buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 02:35 | <sney> | MJK: make sure however you are becoming root is setting the correct environment, ^ |
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| 02:37 | <PaddyF> | !exim |
| 02:37 | <dpkg> | Exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. It is available under the GPL and the current version in Debian is exim4. Ask me about <exim4> <exim boot stall> <exim flush queue> <why exim>. http://www.exim.org/ #exim on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 02:39 | <mooff> | !why exim |
| 02:39 | <dpkg> | Exim was chosen as the default MTA a long time ago: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1997/06/msg00476.html or see http://feayn.org/~lewis/exim.txt |
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| 02:40 | <PaddyF> | 14 years experience :D |
| 02:40 | <mooff> | i look forward to whatever replaces exim and postfix :) |
| 02:46 | <crawler> | I <3 msmtp |
| 02:47 | <PaddyF> | is there a way to setup exim4 so that old applications can use it in belief sendmail is installed? |
| 02:49 | <crawler> | I am not 100% sure, I guess it has a sendmail script |
| 02:51 | <crawler> | https://www.exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/ch-the_exim_command_line.html |
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| 03:06 | <danielssan> | !ssb |
| 03:06 | <dpkg> | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 04:02 | <MJK> | this is still confusing. i follow a tutorial where i have to use modprobe. now for a fresh install i need to use /usr/sbin/modprobe. that doesn't feels right |
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| 04:04 | <MJK> | i am pretty sure this error shouldnt happen: make: dkms: Command not found |
| 04:04 | <MJK> | and its a result of the missing auto complete, where i would have to adress the commands via /usr/sbin/* |
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| 04:06 | <koollman> | MJK: when you are root, /usr/sbin/ should be in your PATH variable. How do you become root ? |
| 04:06 | <MJK> | well i am a bit outdated. but i installed the latest debian 11, then i ssh into it via user, then i just type "su" |
| 04:06 | <MJK> | i thought all that sudo stuff is just for the *bunt* people |
| 04:07 | <MJK> | should i stay as normal user and use this sudo stuff?! |
| 04:11 | <MJK> | also sudo isnt even found |
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| 04:14 | <koollman> | MJK: 'su -' may work, not just su. you can check with 'echo $PATH' afterwards |
| 04:15 | <MJK> | i am really confused. please confirm that statement. i install a fresh debian 11. i login as user and then "su" to root, just via the cmd su and the root pw. |
| 04:16 | <MJK> | then i am unable to auto complete, for example: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 04:16 | <MJK> | thats the case, also on two installs |
| 04:16 | <MJK> | this is very confusing and shouldnt be the case at all, for my understanding. but i had some years of break for debian |
| 04:17 | <koollman> | 'su' make you root. 'su -' makes you root, but with a login shell and clean environment. |
| 04:18 | <MJK> | well days back i just su'd to root to make stuff. |
| 04:18 | <MJK> | i was never a user in the ssh terminal |
| 04:18 | <MJK> | there was no reason at all for that |
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| 04:18 | <danielssan> | !buster su |
| 04:18 | <dpkg> | Starting with buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 04:18 | <MJK> | ok i will now use su - |
| 04:18 | <MJK> | many thanks |
| 04:19 | <MJK> | that should solve my problems |
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| 04:19 | <MJK> | where could i find that in a changelog? |
| 04:19 | <MJK> | its still very confusing |
| 04:19 | <danielssan> | and if you give root a pw during install then sudo won't get installed |
| 04:19 | <danielssan> | MJK, release notes |
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| 04:19 | <danielssan> | but as this change happened in buster, then in buster ;) |
| 04:20 | <MJK> | i wasted like two days for that simple su - |
| 04:20 | <MJK> | nothing worked, in perspective of sh scripts |
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| 04:31 | <aidalgol> | What should I be using instead of sshguard on bullseye, since it didn't make it into the release? |
| 04:35 | <danielssan> | aidalgol: which backend are you using? |
| 04:36 | <aidalgol> | danielssan: I have no idea. I just installed and went with defaults when I was on buster. |
| 04:36 | <danielssan> | ahh look then into fail2ban (using iptables) or crowdsec |
| 04:37 | <danielssan> | which should support nftables |
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| 04:40 | <aidalgol> | Oh, I'm using nft. I just didn't explicitly configure sshguard. |
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| 04:48 | <scorpion2185[m]> | ,v python3-matrix-nio |
| 04:48 | <judd> | Package: python3-matrix-nio on amd64 -- bullseye: 0.16.0-1; bookworm: 0.18.6-1; sid: 0.18.6-1 |
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| 04:52 | <aidalgol> | danielssan: And thanks! |
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| 04:52 | <EmleyMoor> | Has anyone ever got this: https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot/VirtualMachine to work? Mine always says "secureboot cannot be determined", if it boots at all. |
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| 04:57 | <danielssan> | EmleyMoor: any other errors? |
| 04:57 | <EmleyMoor> | danielssan: No, but that's a *big* one |
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| 05:01 | <danielssan> | EmleyMoor: what's your command? |
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| 05:04 | <EmleyMoor> | Just trying something, will show you if/when no progress is made |
| 05:04 | <danielssan> | so make sure, that your directory to the file is correct |
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| 05:07 | <EmleyMoor> | Hmmm... as it stands it's totally hosed - won't even boot Debian now! |
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| 05:12 | <danielssan> | whois root[n] |
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| 05:22 | <rogr> | morning chaps |
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| 05:33 | <EmleyMoor> | Managed to get a setup that at least boots the installer - so setting up again |
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| 06:03 | <Tj> | EmleyMoor: please do document your findings if they differ from the existing instructions |
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| 07:29 | <joeDoe> | I'm going through the upgrade docs to get from stretch to buster on a sheevaplug. I'm a |
| 07:29 | <joeDoe> | oops, gimme sec... |
| 07:33 | <joeDoe> | I'm at the part about network interface names changing. Section 5.1.6 of https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/arm64/release-notes/ says to disable some stuff in /etc/udev/rules and /etc/systemd/network. Both those dirs are empty on this system. Does that mean I'm not going to have a problem on upgrade, or should I run "sudo update-initramfs -u" anyway? |
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| 07:34 | <joeDoe> | i would like to avoid balling up this system and having to reinstall |
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| 07:37 | <joeDoe> | no wait, if I don't change anything, running initramfs update will do nothing...hmm |
| 07:37 | <joeDoe> | I guess I just hope nothing breaks with the update |
| 07:42 | <EmleyMoor> | If the new setup still "works" tomorrow I will post my command line - but still getting the same unsatisfactory message |
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| 07:45 | <joeDoe> | rgrep'ing for "eth0" in /etc shows I have some things to change to the new net names scheme to upgrade to buster, but the udevadm command in the upgrade docs just returns a ID_NET_NAME_MAC and a ID_OUI_FROM_DATABASE for eth0. How do I convert that into enpXsY name? Where do the X and Y come from in this case? |
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| 08:38 | <Tj> | what's the best channel to discuss ./debian/ packaging issues ? |
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| 08:47 | <Guest6877> | where do i find the source for the debian installer? |
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| 08:49 | <Tj> | Guest6877: via apt-get source or check the tracker https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/debian-installer |
| 08:51 | <bremner> | Tj: #packaging, unless it's for contributing to debian, then #debian-mentors |
| 08:51 | <Guest6877> | dont think that's the right package |
| 08:51 | <Guest6877> | > This package currently only contains some documentation for the Debian installer. We welcome suggestions about what else to put in it. |
| 08:52 | <Guest6877> | ahhh hmm https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/base-installer |
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| 09:00 | <Tj> | bremner: hmmm, #packaging is for ./debian/ packaging? no wonder I couldn't find it in the channel lists |
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| 09:04 | <Tj> | also, #debian-mentors doesn't appear in a channel lsit search, only #debian-mentors-es |
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| 09:07 | <ansgar> | Tj: Lots of channels have the channel mode +s and don't appear in the public channel list. |
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| 09:10 | <Tj> | ansgar: right; but surprising for such a channel which is there to encourage new packageres |
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| 09:11 | <bremner> | the spambot problem is just too bad these days, unfortunately |
| 09:11 | <Tj> | I recall doing some debian-mentoring about 12 years ago and did search for it |
| 09:11 | <Tj> | bremner: ahhh. |
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| 09:12 | <Tj> | A shame OFTC can't do federated SASL so for some channels, only those with salsa etc., accounts could access |
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| 09:14 | <bremner> | is there an obvious starting point on the wiki for new contributors? I couldn't see it in a quick search |
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| 09:17 | <bremner> | maybe https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging, but that doesn't have obious IRC pointers. |
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| 09:17 | <Tj> | and https://www.debian.org/devel/join/ really could be more specific on this topic |
| 09:18 | <Tj> | It dives straight to "Work-Needing and Prospective Packages" which is no good for those with no experience of packaging |
| 09:19 | <bremner> | well, tbh most new contributors should probably start by bug triaging / getting familiar with the BTS |
| 09:19 | <bremner> | fsvo "should" |
| 09:20 | <bremner> | but yeah, learning skills is somewhat orthogonal to "joining" |
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| 09:26 | <Tj> | I'm slowly moving all our installs over from Ubuntu and ramping up my involvement in Debian; been doing this stuff for 15+ years as and when needed |
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| 09:33 | <frikilinux2> | Hi, I can not mount an usb flash drive without being root. How can I fix that? I use Debian 10 Cinnamon |
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| 09:38 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: how are you (trying) to mount it? some GUI file manager, shell command? |
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| 09:40 | <frikilinux2> | Before I have this problem the GUI file manager mount it automatically now it says "Not authorized to perform operation" and if I try with a command like "mount /dev/sdb1 /media/pendrive" it says "mount: only root can do that" |
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| 09:46 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: last response is entirely correct and expected. |
| 09:48 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: first issue will be related to udisks2, which is the user disk management tool. There should be a udisks2.service with a daemon process, and the user GUI tools should talk to that over DBus. You can also do that manually in a shell with "udisksctl mount -b /dev/sdb1" which'll mount the file-system under /media/$USER/ with either it's file-system label or UUID as the |
| 09:48 | <frikilinux2> | Okay, how can I use a usb flash drive without being root? |
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| 09:48 | <Tj> | mount-point name |
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| 09:49 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: if 'udisksctl' fails that points to an issue with it being unavble to talk to udisksd over DBus (DBus is an IPC - Inter-Process Communications - service) |
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| 09:51 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: check the service is active with "systemctl status udisks2" |
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| 09:53 | <frikilinux2> | udisksctl ask for password. output of systemctl https://paste.debian.net/1212237/ |
| 09:57 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: are you using a new user account? It could be it needs to be a member of some group |
| 09:58 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: comparing with output here it looks like your service may have hung; because I see the same log messages as you but they end with "Started Disk Manager" and "Acquired the name org.freedesktop.UDisks2 on the system message bus" |
| 09:58 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: this makes me wonder if DBus might be having a problem |
| 09:58 | <frikilinux2> | It's the same account as always and this laptop has a couple of years |
| 09:59 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: try "sudo systemctl restart udisks2" then recheck it's 'status' |
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| 10:03 | <frikilinux2> | https://paste.debian.net/1212238/ . there is a couple of new lines but it seems to be still failing. |
| 10:03 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: OK, well at least that looks better! |
| 10:04 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: check the general log for clues "journalctl -b -n 500" (that is last 500 lines) |
| 10:05 | <Tenkawa> | frikilinux2: its fairly clear.. |
| 10:05 | <Tenkawa> | sep 18 15:59:32 frikilinux2 udisksd[15534]: failed to load module mdraid: libbd_mdraid.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory sep 18 15:59:32 frikilinux2 udisksd[15534]: Failed to load the 'mdraid' libblockdev plugin |
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| 10:06 | <frikilinux2> | the output of journalctl https://paste.debian.net/1212240/ |
| 10:06 | <Tj> | Tenkawa: no, those are expected unless optional libraries are installed which mostly aren't |
| 10:07 | <Tenkawa> | TJ: good point.. just noticed it was still active |
| 10:08 | <Tenkawa> | caffeine still kicking in |
| 10:08 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: ok, that looks fine, let's check the user log with "journactl --user -n 500" |
| 10:08 | <Tenkawa> | I have run into this before though... it was something really odd |
| 10:09 | <Tj> | feels to me like dbus; and without that udisksctl defaults to requiring sudo/pkexec root |
| 10:09 | <Tenkawa> | I pray this isnt dbus and gvfs colliding |
| 10:10 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: did you try log-out and log-in when this started happening? |
| 10:10 | <frikilinux2> | the last journalctl says "No journal files were found" |
| 10:10 | <Tenkawa> | the perms would get all goofed up in the mount |
| 10:10 | <Tj> | (it could be one of those weird transient issues that 'goes away' ) |
| 10:10 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: i mistyped the command too! |
| 10:11 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: I missed the 'l'! "journalctl --user -n 500" |
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| 10:11 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: what debian release is it? |
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| 10:12 | <frikilinux2> | Tj: this is actually not the first time it happens. But now I have time to try to fix it. |
| 10:12 | <frikilinux2> | I noticed the typo |
| 10:12 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: well done! |
| 10:12 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: so no 'systemd --user' session management it seems |
| 10:13 | <Tj> | makes it harder to track down clues |
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| 10:13 | <Tj> | we could strace udisksctl I guess |
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| 10:14 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: unplug the USB device, do "udisksctl monitor", plug the device in, if events are reported please pastebin them |
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| 10:16 | <frikilinux2> | https://paste.debian.net/1212241/ |
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| 10:17 | <root-admin> | what is the best guide for make a new package official Deb pkg style? |
| 10:18 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: well, that proves the communication between user and daemon are working and the device shows up |
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| 10:20 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: I hope this is a simple permissions issue show us "namei -xl /media/$USER/* " |
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| 10:23 | <frikilinux2> | Tj: https://paste.debian.net/1212242/ |
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| 10:26 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: not sure if this is it (cannot think how this would cause it) but you have /media/frikilinux2/ == "drwxr-xr-x frikilinux2 frikilinux2 frikilinux2" whereas for my equivalent I have /media/tj/ = "drwxr-x--x root root tj" -- notice my /media/$USER is actually owned by 'root'. |
| 10:27 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: but as I said, cannot think how this could cause the issue you're experiencing since root can always access the directory even if owned by another user (unless it is created by the $USER). |
| 10:27 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: try changing that with "sudo chown root:root /media/$USER" and then unplug/replug the USB and try mounting the file-system again |
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| 10:29 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: interestingly, my /media/$USER/ has an ACL attached with my $USER given "user:tj:r-x" - not sure if I did that a long time ago, or its expected! |
| 10:29 | <frikilinux2> | I tried and it's still failing. |
| 10:29 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: OK, best set it back to what it was! "sudo chown $USER:$USER /media/$USER " |
| 10:30 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: we're left with using strace now to see what udisksctl tries under the hood |
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| 10:31 | <frikilinux2> | Tj:Ok, how I strace udisksctl? |
| 10:31 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: "sudo apt install strace" then "strace -o /tmp/udisks.strace.txt -f udisksctl mount -b /dev/sdb1" then pastebin /tmp/udisks.strace.txt" |
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| 10:35 | <frikilinux2> | Tj: strace output https://pastebin.com/K5SijseF . I change to pastebin as paste.debian.net is blocking me as spam |
| 10:35 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: OK :) |
| 10:36 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: another option is simply to pipe to termbin.com: "commands... | nc termbin.com 9999 " |
| 10:37 | <frikilinux2> | cool option |
| 10:37 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: line 1869 "24628 write(7, "Error: Incorrect permissions on "..., 101) = 101" ... did that message not show in console earlier when using udisksctl ? |
| 10:37 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: as in the strace it has ellipsed the critical file path it is complaining about |
| 10:37 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: this is likely a root-owned directory inside your $HOME directory |
| 10:38 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: show us the output of "udisksctl mount -b /dev/sdb1" |
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| 10:39 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: lines 1855-1857 look important too, and implicate polkit and/or PAM |
| 10:39 | <frikilinux2> | https://pastebin.com/vzCWW5cR |
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| 10:40 | <Tj> | So there's your problem! |
| 10:40 | <Tj> | "Error: Incorrect permissions on /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkit-agent-helper-1 (needs to be setuid root)" |
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| 10:41 | <frikilinux2> | and how i fix that? |
| 10:41 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: show us "ls -l /usr/libexec/polkit-agent-helper-1" |
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| 10:42 | <frikilinux2> | ls: cannot access '/usr/libexec/polkit-agent-helper-1': No such file or directory |
| 10:43 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: the question you need to ask is how this got changed, and when, and what else has been affected. This looks like the after-affect of a file-system wide change of file ownerships, which will strip the setuid/setgid modes if the users do not match |
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| 10:43 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: what does "cat /etc/issue" report? |
| 10:43 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: here on Debian 11 that file exists, being the target of the symlink from the reported path |
| 10:43 | <frikilinux2> | tj: Debian GNU/Linux 10 \n \l |
| 10:44 | * | Tj looks around for a Debian 10 instance! |
| 10:45 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: what does this report? "ls -l /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkit-agent-helper-1" |
| 10:45 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: show be only one line; you can show it here |
| 10:46 | <frikilinux2> | -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 18888 ene 15 2019 /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkit-agent-helper-1 |
| 10:46 | <frikilinux2> | the filename has a red background |
| 10:47 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: now things are getting wierd! the file is owned by root and is setuid |
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| 10:51 | <frikilinux2> | Tj: yes I seems weird and I don't remember anything that could have cause a wide change of file ownerships. |
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| 10:51 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: I'm still digging on this; your file appears to be correct |
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| 10:55 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: I wonder if you've changed mount options? "findmnt /" |
| 10:56 | <frikilinux2> | TARGET SOURCE FSTYPE OPTIONS |
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| 10:58 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: we only got the header line , can you show the next line? |
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| 10:58 | <frikilinux2> | I can paste it. one sec |
| 10:58 | <frikilinux2> | can't |
| 10:59 | <frikilinux2> | https://pastebin.com/NQef0rPH |
| 11:00 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: that's fine too - I was expecting to see a "nosuid" option |
| 11:00 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: this is Weird^2 |
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| 11:09 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: my strace looks the same as yours up until around line 1851, where mine does a gettimeofday() before the 2 'futex' lines and then goes on to read locale, lang-packs, and do the mount |
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| 11:11 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: what does this report? " ldd /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkit-agent-helper-1 " |
| 11:13 | <frikilinux2> | Tj: https://pastebin.com/hBuV4ptn |
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| 11:14 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: well I'm stumped! |
| 11:15 | <Tj> | Despite the file-system saying the file is suid already, lets just try setting it! "sudo chmod u+s /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkit-agent-helper-1" |
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| 11:15 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: then retry a mount with udisksctl |
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| 11:18 | <frikilinux2> | still failing |
| 11:19 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: well, the message is clear but seems to be at variance with what the tools report |
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| 11:24 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: just in case ls wasn't reporting everything show us "stat /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkit-agent-helper-1" |
| 11:25 | <feklee> | When I try to connect to a wireless network during installation, it's just looping. I select ESSID, WPA/WPA2 PSK, enter the password, and then it's back to entering the ESSID. :( |
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| 11:25 | <feklee> | There is not even an error message. I've no idea what's going wrong. |
| 11:25 | <feklee> | I'm using the graphical installer. |
| 11:26 | <feklee> | What can I do? |
| 11:26 | <frikilinux2> | Tj: https://pastebin.com/fAgS9ZTW |
| 11:28 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: "Access: (4755/-rwsr-xr-x)" is correct |
| 11:28 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: this is a bare-metal install? not container or VM? (I assume so since the root-fs was /dev/sda4) |
| 11:29 | <frikilinux2> | yes, bare-metal |
| 11:30 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: how long has this been happening? I just found an Ubuntu forums post from 6 days ago with the same issue |
| 11:31 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: I'm wondering if it is actually caused by a recent-ish library upgrade |
| 11:31 | <frikilinux2> | I noticed a couple of weeks ago but I may have been longer. I don't use Debian as much as I would like. |
| 11:32 | <frikilinux2> | *it may have been longer |
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| 11:33 | <Guest245> | hello I got problems with KDE discover - it does not load any application |
| 11:33 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: I have a found a bug report (2016!) that /may/ be related; reading it through |
| 11:34 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: which desktop environment are you using? |
| 11:34 | <frikilinux2> | cinnamon |
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| 11:35 | <root-admin> | what is the best guide for make a new package official Deb pkg style? |
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| 11:40 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: the bug I found was resolved (it was actually in policykit-1-gnome) and was due to files moving to /usr/libexec/ |
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| 11:41 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: I wonder if it could be related to the path to the file. What does this report "namei -l /usr/lib/policykit-1/" |
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| 11:43 | <frikilinux2> | Tj: https://pastebin.com/2SiC9sPJ |
| 11:44 | <frikilinux2> | I don't have /usr/libexec |
| 11:44 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: OK; looking at the source code now! |
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| 11:47 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: OK, starting to make sense now, found the cause in the source-code. https://salsa.debian.org/utopia-team/polkit/-/blob/master/src/polkitagent/polkitagenthelper-pam.c#L84 |
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| 11:48 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: that relates to line 1854 of your strace pastebin "24629 geteuid() = 1000" |
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| 11:52 | <sychill> | i ran “pdfimages -all” on a PDF that was produced by a Canon scanner (the big office industrial variety), and the files that were extracted were *.ccitt files. How can I convert them? Seems ImageMagick is unaware of this filetype, and running “aptitude search ~dccitt” isn't too interesting |
| 11:53 | <sychill> | i wonder why a scanner is producing these files. Quality looks fine, but CCITT is technically a FAX format IIUC. |
| 11:55 | <sychill> | Gimp & Imagemagick are both stumped by this file |
| 11:57 | <sychill> | so I tried to force it to give a usable file type (JPG) by running “pdfimages -j”, and it actually gave a PBM file instead.. WTF |
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| 11:58 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: what is the file type? "file /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkit-agent-helper-1" |
| 11:59 | <sychill> | i can live with that I suppose, but it's annoying that there are no commandline tools in Debian that can handle CCITT explicitly, yet there are some underlying libraries that can. |
| 11:59 | <frikilinux2> | Tj: /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkit-agent-helper-1: setuid ELF 64-bit LSB pie executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 3.2.0, BuildID[sha1]=61ec78da89e1dde4ff8947059294e32e3115b437, stripped |
| 12:01 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: so, everything checks out! |
| 12:02 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: but for some reason that 'geteuid()" call [get Efective User ID] is returning the same as 'getuid()' would - your $USER ID, not the owner of the setuid file |
| 12:03 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: which goes back to thinking the file-system has 'nosetuid' set - despite us seeing that / does not. The only thing I could think would be that there's another file-system in between! Surely you don't have a separate file-system for /usr/ ? |
| 12:04 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: show us "grep suid /proc/mounts" just in case |
| 12:05 | <frikilinux2> | https://pastebin.com/qBU4HCi3 |
| 12:07 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: no, nothing there! |
| 12:08 | <Tj> | sychill: what does "identify -verbose path/to/file" report? |
| 12:10 | <sychill> | Tj: “identify-im6.q16: no decode delegate for this image format `CCITT' @ error/constitute.c/ReadImage/575.” |
| 12:13 | <Tj> | sychill: oh dear! |
| 12:16 | <sychill> | if i'm going to make a habit of using this scanner, i probably need to install libtiff-tools (for fax2tiff), and use that to convert the docs. |
| 12:16 | <sychill> | for the moment i guess i'll just let pdfimages do the conversion-extraction in one step |
| 12:19 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: I'm stumped for now! |
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| 12:20 | <frikilinux2> | Tj: I think I partially solved with chmod u+s /usr/bin/udisksctl |
| 12:20 | <frikilinux2> | now it mounts through command line |
| 12:22 | <frikilinux2> | tj: although it mounts in /media/root/... |
| 12:24 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: that's not really a solution, but you have proved that a setuid program will run as the effective UID of its owner, which makes me even more suspicious that there is something wrong there if that isn't working for the policykit helper |
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| 12:27 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: what is reported if you run the file directly: "/usr/lib/policykit-1/polkit-agent-helper-1" |
| 12:30 | <frikilinux2> | wrong number of arguments. I have to add something else? |
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| 12:30 | <Tj> | Good! that means it didn't fail with the euid() call! |
| 12:31 | <Tj> | which seems to point to some weird issue with PAM |
| 12:36 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: what does this report? "getcap /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkit-agent-helper-1" (if anything!) |
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| 12:37 | <frikilinux2> | Tj: finish without output |
| 12:40 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: ok, so no different capabilities set on it |
| 12:41 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: this seems to point to something calling it disabling the setuid/euid |
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| 12:42 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: lets check if any package-installed files look to be tampered with. This will take a minute or so "sudo dpkg --verify" |
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| 12:46 | <Sqrt{not}> | frikilinux2, Tj, are we running all these commands as root, all as regular user, some combination? |
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| 12:48 | <frikilinux2> | udisksctl as regular user, sudo ... with root , the others some combination |
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| 12:56 | <frikilinux2> | Tj: https://pastebin.com/a8f0Bwkt . dpkg --verify output |
| 12:57 | <dwerp> | Trying to upgrade a debian 7.6 system. my sources.list has "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ jessie main", "deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ jessie main", "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main", "deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main". Getting error that public key is not available. I downloaded and with apt-key added https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys/archive-key-7.0.asc and https://ftp-master.debian |
| 12:57 | <dwerp> | .org/keys/release-7.asc |
| 12:57 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: that doesn't show any significant files affected. |
| 12:58 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: I notice in your strace (but not in mine) it reads /etc/nsswitch.conf - can you show the content of that file? |
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| 12:59 | <dwerp> | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org jessie/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9D6D8F6BC857C906 NO_PUBKEY AA8E81B4331F7F50 |
| 12:59 | <frikilinux2> | Tj: https://pastebin.com/iBvNxm5b |
| 13:02 | <sussudio> | dwerp: it's probably moved to archive.debian.org |
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| 13:04 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: nothing different there either! |
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| 13:07 | <sussudio> | oh wait... didn't security move somewhere else |
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| 13:07 | <dwerp> | sussudio: yeah the security is what seems to be the proble |
| 13:07 | <sussudio> | !security |
| 13:07 | <dpkg> | Put "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in <stable>. Run "apt update" and "apt upgrade" (or "apt full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>, <browser security>. |
| 13:08 | <sussudio> | yeah to debian-security |
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| 13:08 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: what does this have in it? /etc/pam.d/polkit-1 |
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| 13:08 | <sussudio> | for reasons. |
| 13:09 | <Sqrt{not}> | also Jessie is debian 8 not debian 7 |
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| 13:09 | <Sqrt{not}> | %jessie sources.list |
| 13:09 | <dselect> | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 13:10 | <frikilinux2> | tj: https://pastebin.com/xeYDz7Rt |
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| 13:11 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: that looks correct, so my current suspicion based on what we've seen so far is something in the PAM config affecting this |
| 13:11 | <dwerp> | thanks guys. |
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| 13:12 | <dwerp> | then I guess I have to put in wheezy sources.list first and upgrade fully, then change to jessie sources.list and repeat. |
| 13:13 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: let's see if any PAM files look to have been changed recently. "ls -latr /etc/pam.d/" |
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| 13:14 | <Sqrt{not}> | %tell dwerp -about dist-upgrade |
| 13:14 | <Sqrt{not}> | %tell dwerp -about full-upgrade |
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| 13:15 | <frikilinux2> | Tj: https://pastebin.com/PaLyaii3 |
| 13:16 | <Sqrt{not}> | dwerp, also see https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/index.en.html to look out for surprises |
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| 13:18 | <Sqrt{not}> | dwerp, (dselect should have sent you 2 private messages) |
| 13:20 | <dwerp> | Sqrt{not}: thank you for that. I still don't understand if I need to first add the proper sources.list for wheezy, upgrade that, THEN add for Jessie and repeat. |
| 13:20 | <Sqrt{not}> | dwerp, that sounds safest, yes |
| 13:21 | <dwerp> | I tried that, added the wheezy lines suggested by dselect, and got invalid signatures error again |
| 13:21 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: I see a lot of changes dated July 20th there - is that around when this issue began? |
| 13:22 | <Sqrt{not}> | dwerp, is your ultimate goal to upgrade to current stable, which is debian 11 ? Or will you stop at debian 8 jessie? |
| 13:22 | <dwerp> | I'll update to 11. think i should just do a fresh install and migrate? |
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| 13:23 | <Sqrt{not}> | that is probably easier and safer, if it is possible for your use case, yes. |
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| 13:23 | <frikilinux2> | Tj: sound about right |
| 13:24 | <dwerp> | ok. yeah I'll just do that :) |
| 13:24 | <frikilinux2> | Tj: but not sure |
| 13:24 | <dwerp> | thanks guys. |
| 13:24 | <Sqrt{not}> | dwerp, good luck, let me give you one more link |
| 13:25 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: That seems like the best lead we have so far so let's check what is in those files! |
| 13:25 | <Sqrt{not}> | dwerp, https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/installmanual |
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| 13:25 | <dwerp> | Thank you |
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| 13:26 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: do this: " (for f in /etc/pam.d/common*; do echo "=== $f"; cat $f; done) | nc termbin.com 9999 " and give us the URL |
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| 13:27 | <frikilinux2> | Tj: https://termbin.com/9ai8 |
| 13:27 | <sussudio> | dwerp: i would make a full backup before upgrading, especially when to 11 |
| 13:28 | <dwerp> | Ok, things go wrong often? Got another machine running 10... |
| 13:28 | <dwerp> | I really need to get in the habit of doing backups more often anyway >_> |
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| 13:31 | <Sqrt{not}> | dwerp, not often, but better to be safe |
| 13:32 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: don't see anything untoward there but as you feel the date may be about correct for when this started, lets take a look at all the package upgrades/installs/etc., that occured around that time. Show me "ls -latr /var/log/apt/" |
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| 13:33 | <frikilinux2> | Tj: https://pastebin.com/ziCHB039 |
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| 13:35 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: OK, show us "zcat /var/log/apt/history.log.2.gz" |
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| 13:36 | <frikilinux2> | https://pastebin.com/Bm7ZbnAS |
| 13:37 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: looks like the cause of those pam.d updates on July 20th was libpam-systemd:amd64, based on the unattended-upgrade "Start-Date: 2021-07-20 19:02:20" |
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| 13:38 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: so likely harmless as far as this goes |
| 13:38 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: oooo! you've got chrome-remote-desktop!! that DOES ring a bell about problems |
| 13:38 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: "cat /etc/pam.d/chrome-remote-desktop" |
| 13:40 | <frikilinux2> | I installed for some experiment with remote desktop aplications and forgot to remove it. But I think the problem was before that. I'll remove it now. |
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| 13:40 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: I'd like to see its content first |
| 13:41 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: the change before that was a year ago in september |
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| 13:41 | <Tj> | frikilinux2: the change before that was TWO years ago in september ! |
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| 13:44 | <frikilinux2> | Tj: I remove it before I saw the message but now everything works. |
| 13:44 | <frikilinux2> | Tj: thank you very much for all your time and help |
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| 14:00 | <r4fkramer> | Hi all. Please, I have a debian stretch 9.13 installation here. Is there any problem upgrading it directly to bullseye 11.0, or should I have to upgrade it to buster before going to bullseye ? |
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| 14:00 | <Sqrt{not}> | r4fkramer, definitely upgrade to buster first |
| 14:00 | <r4fkramer> | Sorry if it seems so naive and stupid, but I forgot about it |
| 14:01 | <Sqrt{not}> | r4fkramer, not naive, just procrastinating? I have a couple stretch boxes around here somewhere too |
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| 14:01 | <r4fkramer> | Fine, Sqrt{not}, thank You for answering. So, my suspect wasn't so stupid. Yes, procrastinating is a plague here. |
| 14:02 | <Sqrt{not}> | yup, I think it has already spread world-wide |
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| 14:04 | <r4fkramer> | Thanks for Your understanding about it, Sqrt ! Just for curiosity: what should happen if I tried to upgrade stretch to bullseye directly ? Which kind of issues I would experience ? |
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| 14:07 | <pert> | r4fkramer: in the case where a package's name has changed, for example, you might not get migrated to the appropriate transitional package. that would cause the software to be kept forever out-of-date |
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| 14:07 | <pert> | it can also lead to broken upgrades in other subtle ways, such as if Breaks/Replaces/Conflicts/etc. have been dropped from packages where they would have prevented a broken setup |
| 14:11 | <r4fkramer> | Fine pert, I thought about breaking packages in this case, but suspected other issues more severe could happen and damage installation. |
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| 14:12 | <r4fkramer> | So, I'm going to upgrade to buster first. Thank You Sqrt{not} and pert for attention and Great Support :) |
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| 17:38 | <r4fkramer> | Hi all, please, I'm going to upgrade debian 'stretch' to 'buster' (I have to proceed this way before finally going to 'bullseye', as suggested me here). But I face this error, related to an old skype installation. Please, how do I avoid it ? |
| 17:38 | <r4fkramer> | https://paste.debian.net/1212299/ |
| 17:39 | <somiaj> | it is often suggested you remove non debian packages during upgrade |
| 17:39 | <r4fkramer> | Better saying: please, how to fix it ? |
| 17:39 | <somiaj> | Two things, (1) this isn't an error, notice it is a "W:" or warning, so there is nothing wrong |
| 17:40 | <somiaj> | (2) just remove the old sources.list also remove any skype packages to increase sucess |
| 17:40 | <somiaj> | I would also remove backports, you don't want/need them during the upgrade process |
| 17:40 | <r4fkramer> | Fine somiaj, it is really a non debian package. I tried to purge it, but couldn't remove it like that. Yes, you are right: it's not exactly an error. |
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| 17:40 | <somiaj> | this is not a package, this is a repo, remove the repo from /etc/apt/sources.list{.d} |
| 17:41 | <somiaj> | I was just aying if you also have skype pakages installed, remove them can also help improve the sucess of the upgrade |
| 17:41 | <r4fkramer> | Fine, somiaj, I'll do it now, and remove backports also. Thank you very much for attention. |
| 17:41 | <somiaj> | comment out backports is enough, just so it doesn't accidently get int he way (it shouldn't but always best to be safe) |
| 17:42 | <r4fkramer> | Let me see: there is /etc/apt/sources.list.d - is that the correct syntax ? |
| 17:42 | <r4fkramer> | or terminology ? |
| 17:43 | <somiaj> | that is a directory that also can have sources, some packages put files there |
| 17:44 | <r4fkramer> | Yes, I realized that now. It's a directory. Should I just remove it through 'rmdir' ? |
| 17:44 | <r4fkramer> | rmdir /etc/apt/sources.list.d ? |
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| 17:45 | <somiaj> | no |
| 17:45 | <somiaj> | you just have multiple files you may need to remove things from, though if the skype sources are a single file, remove that file is fine |
| 17:46 | <r4fkramer> | Sorry, but it's not so clear for me yet. Where can I find this file I have to remove it ? |
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| 17:48 | <r4fkramer> | skype-stable.list teamviewer.list tox.list - please, somiaj, this one ? |
| 17:48 | <r4fkramer> | root@debian:/etc/apt/sources.list.d# ls - the way I followed |
| 17:49 | <somiaj> | I would personally use no thrid party sources during the upgrade, but only you know which of those sources you want on this machine |
| 17:50 | <somiaj> | things in those files are treated the same way as sources.list so you can always temporally comment them out |
| 17:50 | <r4fkramer> | Yes, I removed the skype-stable list and teamviewer files |
| 17:51 | <r4fkramer> | It was a lapse I made installing these non debian packages. From now, I don't intend to do it anymore. |
| 17:51 | <somiaj> | installing non debian packages is fine, there are use cases for it, upgrades are just one place you may want to temporally remove them |
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| 17:52 | <r4fkramer> | Yes, but the question in my case is: I don't want these packages anymore. Should I do anything else prior to upgrade debian now ? |
| 17:54 | <somiaj> | if you don't want them remove the sources and purge the packages |
| 17:55 | <somiaj> | I'm just pointing out, there is nothing wrong with third party packages, they just can make upgrades harder, and are best uninstalled/reinstalled during upgrades |
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| 17:56 | <r4fkramer> | I understood you. But in my case, I really don't need them anymore (skype and teamviewer) |
| 17:56 | <r4fkramer> | Now, I don't remember how to remove its sources and how to purge them. I tried to purge skype yesterday, but 'apt purge skype' didn't work. |
| 17:58 | <somiaj> | check the package names, use dpkg -l to check installed packages, though maybe you didn't have skype installed, but just had the sources file hiding around |
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| 17:59 | <r4fkramer> | Ok somiaj, thank you for Great Support and Attention :) Let me check it now. |
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| 18:01 | <MAxix> | hoal |
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| 18:01 | <r4fkramer> | somiaj, ii skypeforlinux 8.61.0.95 amd64 Skype keeps the world talking, for free. |
| 18:02 | <dvs> | user_: good job! |
| 18:02 | <user_> | sorry? |
| 18:02 | <r4fkramer> | so, the name is 'skypeforlinux'. Thank you very much for hint :) |
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| 18:03 | <user_> | i guess out the door |
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| 18:46 | <Urk> | Speakers quit working, and pulse audio shows no output. How do I fix this? Nothing appeared to be changed before the loss of sound occurred. |
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| 19:44 | <Urk> | Would anyone know what the correct configuration is for pulse audio when running Debian 10.9? My audio output quit unexpectedly. |
| 19:44 | <Urk> | Tried restarting it using restart command, but it had no effect. |
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| 21:43 | <Pablito> | Hi : I was hoping I could get a little help with a mess I have made. I have a small headless home server that is running a PHP app, SSH, etc. Everything was fine until I decided to change the eth0 interface from dhcp to static. Following the change (/etc/networking/interfaces) I rebooted, but I couldn't even ping it. I reverted the changes to the file and rebooted. I can now ping the box (DHCP server shows |
| 21:44 | <Pablito> | Would anyone be able to point me in the right direction? |
| 21:44 | <jkc> | Can you post what you entered for your static IP configuration? |
| 21:44 | <Pablito> | The web server is also not reachable by the way. |
| 21:44 | <Pablito> | Thanks jkc, but at this point I would be happy to just get dhcp working again. |
| 21:45 | <jkc> | Pastebin your interfaces file. |
| 21:45 | <Pablito> | Actually, I was following this article : https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-setup-a-static-ip-address-on-debian-linux |
| 21:46 | <enigma9o7> | 90% of the people who ask questions here are super duper computer experts. |
| 21:46 | <jkc> | Unless that URL is your interfaces file, it doesn't help much. :) Which would you like to do? Static or DHCP? |
| 21:46 | <enigma9o7> | and the people that answer those wquertions,t heres like thousands of them, just waiting til a smart question comes by |
| 21:46 | <enigma9o7> | this world is amazing |
| 21:47 | <enigma9o7> | pablito, good luck, and jkc, thanks for the help |
| 21:47 | <Brigo> | enigma9o7, was NetworkManager running? |
| 21:48 | <enigma9o7> | hmmm no idea, prett sure it probably is, but im good, just in awe |
| 21:48 | <jkc> | I feel like I've missed something. |
| 21:49 | <Brigo> | enigma9o7, the first step of that guide is to stop network manager and disable it. Enabling it back could solve your problem |
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| 21:49 | <enigma9o7> | and sorry brigo im just interrupting in appropritately, my network manager is grea,t my debian is great, etc |
| 21:49 | <Pablito> | I can get it, but it will take a few minutes. It isn't on this machine and as I can't SSH... well. :) |
| 21:49 | <jkc> | Pablito: Which do you want? Static or DHCP? |
| 21:49 | <Brigo> | enigma9o7, sorry XDD |
| 21:50 | <Pablito> | Static if possible. |
| 21:50 | <Brigo> | Pablito, i wrote to enigma9o7 what was intended for you :) |
| 21:50 | <jkc> | Pablito: Okay. What IP address, prefix length/subnet mask, and what's the gateway IP? |
| 21:51 | <Pablito> | 192.168.5.10 255.255.255.0 192.168.5.1 |
| 21:52 | <jkc> | And what's the interface named? |
| 21:53 | <Pablito> | eth0 |
| 21:54 | <jkc> | https://gist.github.com/jcoffm/d306020b42aff146ea25567256414aa7 |
| 21:54 | <jkc> | That's your static config. |
| 21:56 | <jkc> | You might need an extra line in there to handle DNS, depending on how things are configured on the box. But that will at least get you an IP. |
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| 21:57 | <jkc> | And PS, that tutorial you linked to? It's broken in a couple of ways. |
| 21:59 | <Connorw_> | Greetings. I want to run a business with Ruby on Rails. Do you recommend sticking to the Debian way and using the Debian Rails package in Stable or installing the latest version and other required packages? Thank you. |
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| 22:01 | <mi11k1> | help pls. im using zoneminder with usb devices. currently im using the paths /dev/video etc, problem is they arent persistent upon reboot |
| 22:01 | <raven523> | the /dev/video nodes cannot be made consistent |
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| 22:02 | <mi11k1> | raven523, so is there a better path? |
| 22:02 | <somiaj> | Pablito: another suggestion, if you have control of the dhcp server, you can have it provide a static ip based on the machines mac address |
| 22:02 | <raven523> | you would need to inspect the device properties with udefv to see which device is which |
| 22:03 | <mi11k1> | raven523, so like, s /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.6/4-1.6:1.0/input/input29 |
| 22:03 | <mi11k1> | ? |
| 22:03 | <raven523> | or use udev rules to make static symlinks based on matching properties |
| 22:03 | <Pablito> | jkc : Thanks, I will try that and report back. I might as well add the DNS bits in now. What else should I add to the interfaces file? |
| 22:03 | <raven523> | the /sys/devices files are not /dev nodes |
| 22:03 | <somiaj> | Connorw_: depends on what your business needs are. If all of your needs are met in the debian packages, I'd use them, but if you need newer packages, setting up a ruby virtual enviorment for what you need is useful. |
| 22:03 | <mi11k1> | ok |
| 22:03 | <raven523> | but you can check the information there to find out which dev node to use |
| 22:03 | <mi11k1> | ok tynaks |
| 22:04 | <mi11k1> | i might even just run mjpeg streamer an |
| 22:04 | <Connorw_> | Thanks somiaj. Logical answer. |
| 22:05 | <mi11k1> | its a mix of both usb and network cams. in this scenario i can use a backup pvr |
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| 22:05 | <mi11k1> | Connorw_, logical answers is all youll find here mostly |
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| 22:06 | <Connorw_> | It's perfect. Just needed the reaffirmation really. |
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| 22:07 | <mi11k1> | one more question...i have an old server that has a management soc or whatever. i cant use remote console. i used to be able to access it with iced tea . |
| 22:07 | <mi11k1> | oops, nm. disco'd....cant get the log |
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| 22:11 | <Pablito> | jkc : Ok, the box is responding to pings with the static IP now. However, I am still getting "Connection refused" when I try and SSH to it. |
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| 22:14 | <Pablito> | Could my earlier bad confirguration caused a knock on config change to ports, services, etc? |
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| 22:15 | <raven523> | either the ssh server isn't listening on the port or your firewall is blocking it |
| 22:17 | <Pablito> | Agreed. Is there a software firewall installed on Debian server? |
| 22:17 | <somiaj> | not by default |
| 22:18 | <Pablito> | It must be the service that isn't launching since my earlier change. |
| 22:19 | <Pablito> | My router/firewall rules haven't changed and the static IP I've assigned is what the DHCP server was previously assigning. |
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| 22:26 | <Pablito> | It is getting late. I will have to pick this up in the morning. Thanks for the help so far! |
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| 22:33 | <ninguem> | kas]\ |
| 22:33 | <ninguem> | hi |
| 22:34 | <enigma9o7> | Hello ningy |
| 22:34 | <enigma9o7> | I missed you. |
| 22:34 | <ninguem> | how are you? |
| 22:34 | <enigma9o7> | I am doing very well, thank you. |
| 22:34 | <somiaj> | !chat |
| 22:34 | <dpkg> | This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic or #moocows; or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/ |
| 22:34 | <enigma9o7> | And yourself? |
| 22:35 | <enigma9o7> | Oh yeah so like debian is pretty cool but like i have a question about like ummm.... everyith gbis so simple and obvious... whatcould i possibly ask.... |
| 22:36 | <ninguem> | i am fine |
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| 22:37 | <ninguem> | guys |
| 22:38 | <ninguem> | What are doing? |
| 22:38 | <enigma9o7> | assuming "guys" means like all people, as in barbara park's books |
| 22:38 | <enigma9o7> | as someone siad, this is not chat channel |
| 22:38 | <enigma9o7> | this is like, ask a debian aquestion |
| 22:38 | <enigma9o7> | if you wanna just ask whats up, try #debian-offtopic |
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| 23:14 | <dasunt> | I'm looking at https://wiki.debian.org/Bind9 and I'm thinking it may be out of date. |
| 23:15 | <dasunt> | Can anyone who is much more knowledgeable than bind take a quick look and tell me if I'm doing something horribly wrong, or if it is out of date? |
| 23:15 | <dasunt> | Bullseye, btw. |
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| 23:19 | <Sqrt{not}> | dasunt, what are you doing? |
| 23:21 | <dasunt> | Sqrt{not}: I'm playing around with a test lab environment and setting up DHCP and DNS. I couldn't get the debian documentation to work at all, so I went off of another site. I have isc-dhcp and bind9 running now. bind9 does resolve on the test network (domain: lab.test). dhcp is serving ip addresses to clients. But I can't get the two to update each other. |
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| 23:21 | <dasunt> | So say I have "dummy.lab.test" get assigned 10.10.10.25 by the DHCP server. The DHCP server never updates bind. |
| 23:23 | <dasunt> | https://pastebin.com/Mump0k01 <- That's the setup under bind. |
| 23:25 | <dasunt> | https://pastebin.com/y36UjXSp <- That's the dhcpd.conf file |
| 23:25 | <dasunt> | dhdpd does not appear to be attempting to register any leases with bind though. |
| 23:27 | <dasunt> | Oh dangit. I see the issue. |
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| 23:27 | <dasunt> | Line 25 of the dhcpd.conf file is it. |
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| 23:29 | <dasunt> | In the documentation, I noticed stuff like "dnssec-keygen" is no longer able to generated HMAC-MD5 keys under bullseye. It seems like tsig-keygen replaced it. |
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| 23:36 | <Sqrt{not}> | dasunt, yep looks like that would do it |
| 23:37 | <dasunt> | Okay, ran into a problem with apparmor, but worked around it by giving usr.sbin/named rw permissions to /etc/bind. Which is probably a security nightmare but this is a private test network. |
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