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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-09-20

---Logopened Mon Sep 20 00:00:45 2021
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00:23<alex11>i've heard it's better to use borg as opposed to rsync because with rsync you copy everything, even the corrupt bits
00:23<alex11>or something
00:23<alex11>i'm not sure what to think of all this
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00:23<sney>I keep meaning to switch my backup stuff to borg, just because it's more efficient
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00:24<sney>with rsync you could potentially copy bad data, but I don't think that's the main advantage
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00:27<alex11>that makes more sense, to me; rsync has been around forever, i'd think it's perfectly fine and that the reason you might use borg is just convenience
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00:35<grawity>well, with any backup solution, if the filesystem give you corrupt bits, then you copy the corrupt bits
00:36<grawity>neither will help if the *source* filesystem lacks checksums
00:37<grawity>although borg at least is designed to keep history; plain rsync won't (unless you use rsnapshot? I'm not sure if rsnapshot can end up linking a corrupted new version on top of a good old version, but probably unlikely)
00:38<grawity>otoh borg does have the advantage that it *feels* much faster to scan even an HDD than rsync was
00:39<alex11>i'm just lazy with documentation and don't feel like learning a new way of doing things
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00:41<beepbeep>hi
00:41<beepbeep>uwu
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02:47<twb>Is "mount -t smb" i.e. SMB3 *client* entirely in-kernel? Or does it require userland?
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03:00<themill>twb: I think it's just cifs.ko
03:01<twb>Thanks
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04:18<mosasaur>my bluetooth headset can also work as an A2DP sink, however it forgets this setting half of the time when I reconnect. I tried switching to pipewire, but it doesn't seem quite ready for this yet. Does anyone have any tips on how to make the headset default to A2DP?
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04:20<twb>What's A2DP?
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04:21<mosasaur>high fidelity playback
04:21<tarzeau>Advanced Audio Distribution Profile (Bluetooth)
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04:22<Tj>mosasaur: is the PC trying and failing to use A2DP? what do the logs show?
04:22<mosasaur>Tj: logs? Where are those
04:24<Tj>mosasaur: usually "journalctl -u bluetooth.service"
04:24<Tj>mosasaur: but you may have to increase to debug level to get the info
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04:27<mosasaur>Tj: Thanks. There is indeed this message there "profiles/sap/server.c:sap_server_register() Sap driver initialization failed."
04:28<Tj>SAP isn't involved, ignore that
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04:33<Tj>mosasaur: bluetoothd has a --debug option, but it'd be better to add the debug setting to /etc/bluetooth/main.conf ... but cannot find the docs for options in that file. Supposed to be a man-page for it, but there isn't in bluez package
04:33<twb>tarzeau: ah so bluetooth thing vaguely similar to a USB device class
04:34<mosasaur>"sudo journalctl -u bluetooth.service -o verbose" gets me "MESSAGE=src/profile.c:ext_io_disconnected() Unable to get io data for Headset Voice gateway: getpeername: Transport endpoint is not connected (107)'
04:34*twb grumbles that WUSB still hasn't replaced BT
04:36<mosasaur>I notice that it takes a while after connecting before I can choose the A2DP profile
04:36<tarzeau>twb: no idea really, i just run dict a2dp ;)
04:36<bentham>The vast majority of my installed packages come from (the equivalent of) ftp.debian.org, 35 come from security.debian.org, and 192 come from /var/lib/dpkg/status. For that last category, does that mean that they are effectively 'unmanaged' in that they have no upgrade path from my set of repositories?
04:37<bentham>Should I get rid of them if I can?
04:37<twb>bentham: that's discussed in the Release Notes
04:38<twb>https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes.en.pdf#page=17 "start from pure debian"
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04:38<twb>bentham: probably those are either pending upgrades, or old kernels. How important it is to "clean up" those, depends on what they are, and how much you care
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04:39<twb>bentham: DO NOT delete /var/lib/dpkg/states, though!
04:39<bentham>twb: thanks
04:39<bentham>many of them are old kernels, and many others are described as 'transitional' in apt-cache search
04:39<bentham>but some seem important, like perl-modules-5.28
04:40<twb>bentham: that's an old package
04:40<twb>bentham: auto-remove ought to get rid of that one I think
04:41<bentham>twb: Hm, it doesn't.
04:41<twb>bentham: I mean after you sort out the other ones
04:41<bentham>I wonder if that is because I cross-graded this system a long time ago, and might have flipped the bit on many packages to 'manually installed'?
04:41<twb>bentham: you can try (slightly dangerous!) "apt-mark minimize-manual:
04:41<twb>bentham: you can try (slightly dangerous!) "apt-mark minimize-manual"
04:41<bentham>twb: yikes that sounds scary
04:42<twb>gotta go
04:42<bentham>tvm
04:42<grawity>oh, that is finally an actual thing?
04:43<grawity>all those packages showing up as manual used to greatly annoy me
04:43<bentham>grawity: *nod*
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04:55<gwalenn>hi, an idea ? (https://paste.debian.net/1212458/)
04:55<jm_>!en
04:55<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
04:56<jm_>!localized errors
04:56<dpkg>To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
04:56<raven523>you have duplicate entries in /etc/apt/sources.list on lines 4 and 23
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05:36<gast>hi
05:36<gast>ist hier einer
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05:36<gast>halloo
05:36<gast>ich bin irgendwie hier rauf gekommen
05:37<jm_>!de
05:37<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.libera.chat oder irc.belwue.de) - debian-user-german@lists.debian.org
05:37<gast>ich hock in der schule am pc
05:37<gast>wir haben ILZ
05:37<gast>antwortet mirrrr
05:37<gast>helllooooououououou
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06:21<webmind>Anyone here using (re)named network interfaces with systemd-networkd? I used to use udev, but no longer seems to work in bulleye, but using .link files also doesn't change the device name as it should
06:23<webmind>https://pastebin.com/QsTTv3VE Got this
06:23<webmind>If it's going to revert to a different system after upgrade, it'll break my firewall configs...
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06:29<twb>grawity: yes, minimize-manual is a thing since Debian 9
06:30<twb>It avoids kludges like this from 2010: aptitude --schedule-only markauto ~E '~i!~M(~Rdepends:~i|~Rrecommends:~i)' && aptitude --schedule-only keep ~aremove && aptitude install
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06:52<grawity>that's strange, how did I not see it in apt-mark until like today
06:53<twb>secret secret!
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06:54<grawity>hmm it marked dbus and systemd as automatic, even though I know I had to manually ask debootstrap to install it, so I'm not sure if they won't somehow get removed?
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07:04<twb>grawity: cyclic dependencies in your kernel/initrd/init chain probably
07:04<twb>grawity: or Recommends
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07:05<grawity>it's a container, so I have neither a kernel nor an initrd
07:05<grawity>well hopefully it knows what it's doing
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07:06<grawity>better than my `apt-mark showmanual | grep ^lib | xargs apt-mark auto` :|
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07:25<twb>When booting linux with console=ttyS0, how do I tell it the other end of the serial line is "screen" or "xterm", not the default "vt220" ?
07:26<twb>themill: re cifs, live-boot at least is explicitly using mount.cifs which is provided by cifs-utils. So it looks like you need that at least.
07:26<grawity>try specifying it as Environment= in serial-getty@.service?
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07:27<twb>grawity: hrm I thought there was a CLI option
07:27<themill>twb: yeah, that's the mount command; I thought you were asking about the fs part
07:27<twb>grawity: I mean that I can pass to the kernel
07:27<twb>themill: I *think* I need both. Or when not mounting, just "smbclient" which acts like an ftp client
07:28<jm_>twb: depends on which getty you're using, agetty accepts
07:28<themill>yes, you'd need both
07:28<jm_>*accepts term type
07:29<jm_>ahh no you're asking for the client side
07:29<twb>My basic use case is "qemu -nographic -kernel X -initrd Y -append='earlyprintk=ttyS0 console=ttyS0'"
07:29<grawity>eh I'd just manually set TERM= after logging in
07:30<grawity>since the local terminal isn't guaranteed to always be the same, is it?
07:30<twb>I thought there was something for that but I guess I just misremember
07:30<twb>grawity: I was going to pass it straight from the parent environment, i.e.
07:30<twb>wqemu -nographic -kernel X -initrd Y -append="earlyprintk=ttyS0 console=ttyS0,term=$TERM"
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07:38<twb>Is there any real difference between mount.smb3 and mount.cifs ?
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07:39<jm_>according to the man page there is
07:39<twb>They have identical checksum
07:39<avu>yeah, it's the same binary but it behaves differently depending on which name it's invoked with
07:40<avu>that's not that unusual of a thing to do, see busybox for example
07:40<grawity>the code is the same, and the kernel driver is aliased under both names
07:40<grawity>mount.smb3 is an actual *symlink* to mount.cifs
07:40<jm_>maybe there isn't, it looks like it appeared as smb3 in kernel first and was then renamed
07:40<grawity>but if you invoke the kernel driver as 'smb3', it will only allow you to use version 3.x and no lower
07:40<grawity>that's the main difference
07:41<twb>So essentially mount.cifs will *try* smb3 and fall back to cifs, where mount.smb3 will try smb3 and fall back to error?
07:41<grawity>not 100% sure about how the kernel driver works
07:41<twb>All I really care about is that it won't default to crap old protocol version
07:42<grawity>in theory, the client should automatically negotiate the highest supported version
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07:42<grawity>in practice, I don't think the Linux cifs driver supports negotiation, oddly
07:42<grawity>I saw a patch for this in the mailing list literally last week
07:42<twb>The reason this matters to me today is live-boot predates smb3 and doesn't know to even put mount.smb3 into the ramdisk, let alone call it
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07:43<grawity>so 'cifs' will default either to vers=1.0 or vers=3.0 depending on your kernel version (there is no auto-negotiation, if the default fails it fails), but allows selecting any version via the vers= option
07:43<grawity>whereas 'smb3' will always default to vers=3.0 and will not allow selecting any 1.x or 2.x version
07:44<twb>Yeesh
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07:51<twb>(initramfs) mount.cifs //10.0.2.4/qemu /tmp ===> Child process terminated abnormally.
07:51<twb>Sigh
07:54<Booda>texas&
07:54<Booda>texas^
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07:54<twb>I *think* it was trying to prompt for a password
07:54<grawity>bash: texas: command not found
07:55<grawity>[1]+ Exit 127 texas &
07:55<Booda>Child process terminated abnormally > texas
07:55<twb>If I boot normally off /dev/vda, "root@localhost:~# mount.cifs //10.0.2.4/qemu /mnt" ==> "mount error(113): could not connect to 10.0.2.4Unable to find suitable address."
07:55<Booda>u know with the new abortion laws. was a political joke
07:55<twb>Which sounds like it's trying to resolve the IP address as if it was a hostname, sigh
07:56<twb>Booda: are you using zsh or something?
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07:57<EmleyMoor>OK, trying my secureboot testing vm - using the command line pasted here - https://paste.debian.net/1212350/ - but when I dmesg | grep secure I see "secureboot: Secure boot could not be determined (mode 0)"
07:57<grawity>well, 113 is "No route to host"
07:57<twb>grawity: ah thanks
07:58<grawity>the main job of mount.cifs is to resolve the UNC //location to a *list* of addresses, so if the resolution succeeds but all addresses fail, "Unable to find a suitable address" seems fitting
07:58<twb>Does that mean I could skip the mount.cifs part entirely if I know the specific IPv4 address in advance?
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08:04<twb>False alarm. I managed to comment out qemu's smb= option, so of course there was no smbd for it to talk to
08:05<twb>"mount.cifs -o guest //10.0.2.4/qemu /mnt" works after pivot_root at leas
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08:09<twb>http://ix.io/3zr7 it's cranky about crypto
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08:11<grawity>yeah you need md4 for NTLM auth (but don't worry, the crypto maintainer insisted on removing it, so it'll soon become an internal part of the cifs module)
08:11<twb>I tried sec=none and it didn't help
08:11<grawity>CMAC (and I think later als GMAC) are used for SMB3 packet signing, I *think* it's mandatory
08:12<twb>"mount.cifs -o guest,ro,sec=none,vers=1.0 //10.0.2.4/qemu /mnt" ==> "mount error(95): Operation not supported"
08:12<twb>Which might be that on the host, smbd is set to only allow recent protocol versions
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08:13<twb>...and now smbd isn't running again? Is smbd *also* crashing on the host?
08:14<mooff>you're having a good day, twb
08:15<grawity>did you not want earlier for it to *not* "default to crap old protocol version"?
08:15<twb>"cat /tmp/qemu-smb.ANR690/log.smbd" has a lot of repated messages about /tmp/qemu-smb.ANR690/smbd.pid not existing
08:16<twb>grawity: yeah sorry for the confusion. I want recent protocol for speed reasons *but* inside the ramdisk I seem to be missing some crypto .ko files so as a test I was trying to roll back to earlier protocol version
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08:18<twb>Oh you know what -- I reckon qemu-system-x86_64 must be socket-activating smbd only when requests come in.
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08:19<twb>Yep that's why there isn't a running smbd process except when it's actually successfully mounted
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08:34<twb>Hrm. '--essential-hook=(echo md4; echo cmac; echo aesni-intel) >>$1/etc/initramfs-tools/modules' # after that, I get a different error
08:35<twb>"CIFS: VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -101"
08:35<grawity>ENETUNREACH 101 Network is unreachable
08:35<twb>derp
08:35<webmind>Anyone that can help out with (network) interface naming in debian bullseye?
08:36*grawity queries moreutils' `errno` every time
08:36<twb>grawity: ah these are linux errno, not samba errno.
08:36<twb>grawity: right now I realize, I can do that
08:36<twb>webmind: I know lots about that
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08:36<twb>webmind: do you want to do it the modern way?
08:37<grawity>yeah Linux errnos are recognizable by being -small, while SMB errors are large 32-bit NTSTATUS values (and they get logged in dmesg)
08:37<webmind>twb: well, it seems the udev way broke in my move to bullseye, so I'm trying the systemd-networkd way.
08:37<petn-randall>webmind: It's best if you describe your actual problem, so people knowing an answer can respond.
08:38<twb>webmind: are you booting off the network, or off local disk? Do you have physical access (or BMC) to the system, so when you make a silly mistake, you aren't locked out?
08:38<webmind>petn-randall: I did above, but will do again. I've got this config: https://pastebin.com/QsTTv3VE
08:38<webmind>in a .link file, but the name doesn't get changed
08:38<webmind>booting of disk
08:38<jm_>just make sure to look up errnos on the same arch
08:38<twb>webmind: 99% likely you just got the filename wrong
08:38<twb>webmind: what is the full path to that .link you made?
08:39<grawity>you *may* need to reset NamePolicy= to an empty string, like you have commented out
08:39<webmind>twb: /etc/systemd/network/dolhuis.link
08:39<twb>webmind: it must have a name that sorts before "99-default.link"
08:39<webmind>grawity: I have also tried that and setting it to disabled
08:39<twb>webmind: which is in /usr/lib/systemd/network/
08:39<twb>webmind: so just change your filename to "50-dolhuis.link" and reboot
08:40<webmind>I did not know numbering was needed indeed :)
08:40<twb>webmind: note that systemd-networkd doesn't actually touch this -- it's still done by systemd-udevd. udev should also still understand the old /etc/udev.d/rules approach
08:40<twb>webmind: in THEORY the numbers aren't needed; in practice in this case, it is
08:40<webmind>rebooting :)
08:41<twb>webmind: also note that this won't have any effect if the iface is in use when the ramdisk starts (due to PXE boot)
08:41<twb>webmind: you PROBABLY also want to use [Match] Type=ether otherwise udev will try to rename bridges
08:42<webmind>Thanks! this works
08:42<grawity>and vlans
08:42<grawity>and other virtual devices you create on top of it
08:42<webmind>good to know, I typically match on pci-id though
08:43<twb>grawity: confused the hell of out me until I realized what was happening
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08:44<twb>I probably wasted at least 8 hours trying to get "upstream.link" to work
08:44<twb>I kept using rules.d for like 5 years because I couldn't understand what was wrong
08:45<twb>grawity: SUCCESS. mount.cifs working in ramdisk now I have both 1) md4/cmac/aesni-intel .kos; and 2) remembered to bring up the network first
08:45<webmind>kinda curious why rules.d stopped working, but then again I'd rather just move to .link files
08:46<twb>webmind: I'm not *aware* of it breaking; but I haven't actually tested in bullseye
08:46<grawity>I'd include gmac just in case, as newer smbd versions may default to aes-gcm+gmac over ccm+cmac
08:47<grawity>(probably because it works better with aesni, I think?)
08:47<grawity>can't think of any systemd-related changes that would have broken rules.d
08:48<twb>Now I just need to work out how to convince live-boot to call mount.cifs properly
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10:12<td_>tips for a locale network ??
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10:12<td_>hi
10:14<bremner>!ask
10:14<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
10:14<bremner>i.e., please ask a more precise question.
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11:56<markmental666>Hi all, kind of a random question, but is the Breeze dark theme broken on anyone else's Bullseye KDE setup? It seems to be missing on my install
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12:00<hoobaman>hi :)
12:00<hoobaman>my ovs setup broke after upgrading from buster to bullseye in Network/interfaces
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12:00<hoobaman>any clues?
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12:01<hoobaman>journald give me no clues and the interfaces is part of the bridge, but bridge ip is missing
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12:05<somiaj>markmental666: do you have the required packages installed (looks like just 'breeze' should be enough for the plasma theme
12:05<somiaj>markmental666: you can also try a new user, to make sure there is some configuration or custom theme in your user causing issues with the system files.
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12:07<towerman>Hello guys
12:07<towerman>I'm searching HPE management component pack for bullseye but I don't find it
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12:09<markmental666>thx for the reply, i have the breeze package installed, its just that when i select the dark plasma theme and apply it, it shows a light theme, but the icons are the breeze-dark ones, weird... I did install with the non-free driver KDE plasma live dvd if that info is useful
12:09<somiaj>markmental666: are all apps light? or maybe just some (wonder if there is a gtk vs qt issue)
12:10<somiaj>anyways, I would try a blank user, but don't use KDE so can't test this for you here
12:10<sney>I have a new install of bullseye with plasma and breeze dark, and the theme worked fine out of the box, *except* for gtk2 apps
12:11<markmental666>all apps are light, it isn't too big of a deal since i can just download a dark theme from the kde store, but i might try creating a new user or a virtual machine to see if i can get breeze dark working
12:12<PaulJ>Hi,I'm using Deb11 and have to install forticlient (VPN for my university, they offer forticlient_vpn_6.4.3.0959_amd64.deb). Now, in Deb11 libappindicator1 is missing. How to solve this problem? Is "apt-get -f install" the only way out? Thank you!
12:13<sney>PaulJ: libappindicator1 is deprecated upstream and was removed, but you can use the package from buster (debian 10) safely iirc
12:13<grawity>openconnect --protocol=fortinet
12:13<sney>or use a different vpn client, right
12:13<grawity>failing that, I'd download and `dpkg -i` the deb10 package manually, from the website
12:14<grawity>I mean, if it needs that library, then it needs that library...
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12:16<somiaj>PaulJ: I have libappindicator1 and libindicator7 installed from buster on bullseye to meet some other .deb requirements, though I do hope these older .deb's update and remove this now dead dependency.
12:16<PaulJ>@grawity: when I `dpkg -i forticlient_vpn_6.4.3.0959_amd64.deb` it complains about libappindicator1
12:16<PaulJ>`
12:16<grawity>yeah, so dpkg -i the correct libappindicator1*.deb first
12:16<somiaj>you can temporally add buster sources, or download the packages from packages.debian.org
12:17<PaulJ>aaah, I see
12:17<grawity>I usually go https://packages.debian.org/libappindicator1 -> binary links at the bottom, and hope that I'm getting the real thing since no signature verification
12:17<PaulJ>thanks, I'll try it
12:17<grawity>(protip don't mix up amd64 and arm64)
12:17<somiaj>Turns out that since these libs are independent from other things, you can safely install the buster version in bullseye
12:18<grawity>then dpkg -i, and maybe `apt-mark auto libappindicator1` to keep it tidy
12:18<somiaj>note you need two packages, you also need libindicator7 which is a depends for that libary, also found on that package
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12:24<PaulJ>after installing also libdbusmenu-glib4 the installation of forticlient_vpn_6.4.3.0959_amd64.deb
12:24<PaulJ>worked, thank you again!
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12:27<Animortis>Afternoon all. Anyone know much about grub-efi installations?
12:28<grawity>would appreciate if you just directly ask the question you're planning to ask
12:28<Animortis>Yup. Ran a grub-efi install on a bootstrapped install. The bios lets me get to grub, but all I get is a grub prompt.
12:29<sussudio>NOBODY expects the grub prompt
12:29<Animortis>Anyone know how to install grub-efi so both the bios recognizes it and I can get the grub list?
12:29<grawity>often that just means nothing ran `update-grub` to generate the grub.cfg
12:29<Animortis>I can go into more detail.
12:29<Animortis>I did that, no dice.
12:30<Animortis>BIOS doesn't recognize it unless I copy grubx64.efi to EFI/boot/biosx64.efi
12:30<Animortis>Then I just get that prompt.
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12:30<Animortis>correction, bootx64.efi, not biosx64
12:31<grawity>grub-install does two things (among others) -- it generates a customized grubx64.efi that has embedded information about which partition /boot/grub is on (so that it could find the main grub.cfg), and adds an EFI "boot entry" variable that points your firmware specifically to grubx64.efi (so that you wouldn't need bootx64.efi)
12:32<grawity>adding EFI variables only works if your "installer" is already booted in EFI mode, not in the legacy BIOS mode
12:33<Animortis>I keep it in EFI only
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12:34<grawity>it slightly feels like your partition IDs changed since... does `efibootmgr -v` show an entry pointing at grubx64.efi, and is its PARTUUID correct (matches the EFI partition)?
12:34<Animortis>In a live environment at the moment. Sec...
12:35<Animortis>Nope
12:35<Animortis>Fstab is set to that PartUUID... BUT I doube that has anything to do with it. Investigating...
12:35<grawity>if you re-do grub-install, does an entry show up, and does it remain after a reboot?
12:37<Animortis>Looks like the PartUUID is right, but it's only seeing that copy bootx64
12:38<grawity>do you mean you *are* seeing a grub entry in efibootmgr?
12:38<Animortis>Just ran the command
12:38<Animortis>I think it worked
12:39<Animortis>Showing up now in efibootmgr
12:39<Animortis>Never heard of that program before. Adding it to my notes.
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12:39<Animortis>I'll be back soon. Will test a reboot.
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12:42<Animortis>Bingo! Worked
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12:44<Animortis>I think I was using too-complex a command, must have done something.
12:44<Animortis>Ty vim
12:44<Animortis>Vm*
12:45<Sqrt{not}>Animortis, OK, glad it is working, thanks for letting us know :)
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12:48<hoobaman>if i add on posip ovsbr0 up on interface level it works, seems not as intended
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12:49<hoobaman>post-up ovsbrO up on interface level
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12:53<hoobaman>https://pastebin.com/krNGuvvT
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12:53<hoobaman>why do i need an extra post-up and post-own in bullseye?
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12:54<hoobaman>bug?
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12:56<jkc>Why do you have both auto and allow-ovs for the same interfaces?
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12:56<hoobaman>jkc:thanks for your reply, much appreciated. It is as in the readme
12:57<jkc>It most definitely is not.
12:57<jkc>https://github.com/openvswitch/ovs/blob/master/debian/openvswitch-switch.README.Debian
12:57<hoobaman>jkc:i will remove the auto and test
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13:06<hoobaman>jkc: i removed the auto eno1, after reboot the bridge is completly missing (ovs-vsctl show) and journald -u networking has no errors
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13:06<hoobaman>jkc:i realled appreciated your reply and redirection to the readme, thanks for that
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13:07<jkc>That's not the only auto you need to remove.
13:07<jkc>If there's an allow-ovs line, there shouldn't be an auto line, for ANY interface, bridge or otherwise.
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13:08<hoobaman>jkc: does the allow-ovs ovsbrO need an interface parameter or not? in buster it worked without
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13:09<hoobaman>jkc:i only have auto for l0 now
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13:13<jkc>The readme has everything you need to know.
13:13<hoobaman>jkc: ok thanks for the link, much appreciated
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14:27<PaulJ>on Deb11: when trying "systemd-resolve" on an address I get
14:27<PaulJ>resolve call failed: Unit dbus-org.freedesktop.resolve1.service not found.
14:27<PaulJ>How to start this service?
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14:28<sney>'systemctl start systemd-resolved' but be aware that it will probably take over name resolution for your whole system, so anything currently relying on DNS configured elsewhere could break
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14:30<PaulJ>The problem is: it seems that this is the reason why the domain name is not resolved in openforticlient..
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14:32<sparky4>having issues upgrading a 32 bit system from buster to bullseye
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14:34<sparky4>it keeps saying "Package libc6:i386 is not installed."
14:35<sney>sparky4: please pastebin the full apt output
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14:36<sparky4>okay
14:36<sney>PaulJ: well, try it, if it breaks dns then you can disable the service again and proceed more carefully
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14:43<PaulJ>@sney: Thank you! In the end it is not that hard to type in the ip. I was simply puzzled why openfortivpn was not working until I changed the domain name to ip-addr...
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14:55<PaulJ>@sney: I was wandering: what IS the default DNS setup on Debian 11? It seems not to be systemd-resolved, or?
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14:57<sparky4>https://paste.debian.net/1212563/ here is the trying to fix the errors
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14:58<sney>PaulJ: it's typically handled either by static resolvers in /etc/resolv.conf, or dynamically by network-manager, depending on whether you installed a desktop. the newer systemd networking stuff is available but not enabled by default
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14:59<sney>sparky4: is it only bullseye in sources.list? what if you 'apt -t bullseye install libc6'?
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15:00<sparky4>it throws alot of broken packages errors
15:01<sparky4>yes only bullseye is in the sources.list
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15:02<sney>sparky4: please pastebin 'apt policy'
15:02<sparky4>okay
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15:04<sparky4>https://paste.debian.net/1212564/
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15:05<somiaj>,v libc6
15:05<judd>Package: libc6 on amd64 -- stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u4; buster: 2.28-10; bullseye: 2.31-13; bookworm: 2.31-17; sid: 2.32-4; experimental: 2.33-0experimental1
15:06<sney>sparky4: did you 'apt full-upgrade'?
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15:06<sparky4>yes but it got stuck
15:06<somiaj>are there any third party packages intstalled messing with things?
15:06<sparky4>nope
15:07<PaulJ>@sney: now I understand, thanks!
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15:07<sney>sparky4: do you have any held packages? 'apt-mark showhold'
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15:08<sney>PaulJ: np
15:09<sparky4>it is blank
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15:10<sney>can you pastebin the output of 'apt full-upgrade'?
15:11<sparky4>https://paste.debian.net/1212567/ like it wont even attempt to fix anything
15:12<sney>and pastebin 'apt -t bullseye install libc6'?
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15:15<sparky4>https://paste.debian.net/1212568/
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15:17<sney>ok. from this list, you should remove the g++ and gcc packages, and anything with -dev.
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15:18<sney>then afterwards, 'apt -t bullseye install libc6 libc-bin libglib2.0-0' and see if it proceeds
15:18<sney>(you will be able to install the compilers again once the upgrade is finished, we're just getting them out of the way temporarily.)
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15:21<sparky4>okay
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15:22<sney>some of that python stuff may need to be removed too. python packaging changed a lot from buster to bullseye. it's all supposed to upgrade cleanly, but I guess there are some exceptions.
15:22<sparky4>i cant remove anything because of broken dependancies
15:23<sney>what happens when you try, and what did you try specifically
15:23<sney>!your screen
15:23<dpkg>Your screen is in front of your face. #debian cannot see it. Please give as many details as you can about the problem. It wastes our time and yours when we have to guess what is on your screen. See <context>, <what>
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15:24<sparky4>okay
15:25<sparky4>i tried sudo apt-get remove g++ gcc *-dev but i get libc6 dependancies errors
15:25<sparky4>it refuses todo anything when there is broken dependancies
15:25<sney>try removing packages one at a time.
15:26<sparky4>how do i bypass the broken packages errors?
15:27<sney>you don't. you fix the dependency state, so that apt is able to install things again.
15:27<sney>since your system seems to be stuck on buster for a lot of things, try this:
15:28<sney>change your sources.list back to buster. apt update, apt upgrade. see if the errors resolve. then remove the gcc etc packages, then try the bullseye upgrade again from step 1.
15:28<sparky4>okay
15:29<sparky4>https://paste.debian.net/1212571/ just giving you additinal info
15:29<sparky4>imma do that
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15:34<sparky4>fixing
15:36<cast>After updating to bullseye, one of my systems experiences long delays between the login and the appearance of the shell prompt (both over SSH and local console). On local console, the motd is printed, but then nothing happens for a long time before the prompt appears. There are no custom .bashrc or .profile. I can't find any useful information on
15:36<cast>how to debug this issues. Do you have any ideas how I can enable some debugging to identify what the cause of htis problem is?
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15:37<sussudio>cast: look at logs.
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15:41<sarnold>cast: check your /etc/resolv.conf and make sure that all the dns servers listed there respond quickly to queries
15:44<sparky4>https://paste.debian.net/1212573/ it throws this error while trying to fix broken dependancies
15:44<cast>sussudio, thx. I feel stupid for not doing this.
15:44<sparky4>sorce.list is buster
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15:47<sney>sparky4: aha, this is probably the core issue of all of this
15:48<sney>sparky4: what if you 'dpkg-reconfigure libc6'
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16:13<Izty>How can I get the current network usage of a certain app?
16:14<Booda>bashtop?
16:14<Izty>I'm watching some stream with VLC and I'd like to know how much bandwidth it uses
16:15<Booda>https://github.com/aristocratos/bashtop
16:15<sarnold>Izty: iftop perhaps?
16:15<bremner>iftop is in debian
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16:17<sarnold>Izty: tcptop from bpfcc-tools can also do it, https://github.com/iovisor/bcc#tools
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16:17<Izty>sarnold: iftop provides a lot of info. I'll check if there is bandwidth usage
16:18<sarnold>Izty: yeah, there's hundreds or thousands of things that people want to measure with networks, tools are often either too simple to solve a complex problem or too complex to solve a simple problem :)
16:19<sarnold>Izty: and there's probably dozens of tools because folks think it'd be easier to write the exact tool they want for their problem
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16:21<Izty>If it's easier, I'll just read the global bandwidth usage of my laptop
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16:22<Izty>I guess IRC and a few firefox tabs are not much compared to streaming with vlc
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16:29<Izty>Ok, less than 10Mb for my stream
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16:29<Izty>Booda sarnold bremner: Thanks a lot :)
16:29<Izty>bbye
16:30<sarnold>bye Izty :)
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16:42<alexandroogonsan>Why was my paste (https://paste.debian.net/1212583) deleted?
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16:44<tjcarter>pastes don't live forever?
16:45<sussudio>i think the default is 24 hours
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16:46<alexandroogonsan>No, you define the live...
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16:49<alexandroogonsan>https://paste.debian.net/1212584/
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16:50<bremner>!localized errors
16:50<dpkg>To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
16:50<bremner>dpkg: tell alexandroogonsan about bat
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16:54<alexandroogonsan>bat? Bill?
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16:57<bremner>!bat
16:57<dpkg>[Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
16:57<bremner>I guess for starters, why would you want to install all python things and how can that command line even work without quoting?
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17:01<alexandroogonsan>https://paste.debian.net/1212586/ https://paste.debian.net/1212587
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17:05<bremner>alexandroogonsan: I don't think "apt install *python*" does what you think it does
17:06<bremner>those * are expanded by the shell
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17:07<mooff>provided there is are files/dirs matching *python* in the working directory
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17:08<bremner>which there is because of the redirection
17:08<alexandroogonsan>Which command to use?
17:08<mooff>otherwise it works like apt install '*python*', which will try to install every package in Debian with python in the name :D
17:08<bremner>alexandroogonsan: what are you trying to do?
17:08<tjcarter>also … do you really want to install everything containing python in the name? Some of those things are gonna contradict
17:08<bremner>indeed.
17:08<mooff>(around 6020 afaict)
17:08<mooff>(apt list | grep python | wc -l)
17:08<alexandroogonsan>use yowsup as master not as legacy
17:09*tjcarter does not have 6020 packages installed
17:10<alex11>debian doesn't really take any stance on gpl vs bsd licenses, right? they're both free software
17:11<tjcarter>alex11: free software is free software
17:11<mooff>^ that sounds like a yes
17:11<tjcarter>alex11: original 4 clause BSD is not, but … nobody uses that anymore.
17:12<mooff>alexandroogonsan: when you want to pass a glob to a command without it being expanded by your shell, put it in quotes: sudo apt install '*python*'
17:12<tjcarter>Many debianites have a preference, but the project doesn't care
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17:12<alex11>though i doubt bsd coreutils are ever part of debian, linux does use gnu
17:12<mooff>however, you really don't want to do: apt install '*python*'
17:13<mooff>tjcarter: what was the 4th clause?
17:13<tjcarter>mooff: advertising requirement
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17:14<bremner>alex11: if you read the DFSG, BSD is given as an example of a free license
17:14<bremner>so, correct.
17:14<alex11>i considered trying freebsd but imo debian's curation of things is slightly better
17:14<tjcarter>alex11: they could be packaged, but too many things do (and are expected to be able to) count on GNUisms in coreutils, so they'd wind up outside your normal default path
17:14<alex11>yeah exactly
17:15<tjcarter>at that point … why bother? (and so thus far nobody has.)
17:16<mooff>alex11: https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/
17:17<mooff>ah, of course you want BSD tools instead of GNU
17:17<alex11>well i don't particularly want anything, i don't have a religious opinion on gnu vs bsd or anything
17:17<alex11>i'm happy to use either
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17:19<mooff>hallelujah :]
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17:20<mooff>https://paste.debian.net/1212592/
17:20<mooff>i get this error from time to time.. (couple of times per week)
17:21<tjcarter>mooff: next alex11 will ask about vi vs emacs, inline or top replies, WM vs. DE, and git vs hg.
17:21<alex11>...
17:21<tjcarter>😁
17:22<mooff>(any ideas why? re: my paste :P)
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17:22<mooff>alex11: you are hereby judged!!
17:22<tjcarter>mooff: do those files exist?
17:22<alexandroogonsan>I think we should come to a consensus that we should update the apt and apt-get command.
17:23<tjcarter>alexandroogonsan: do what now?
17:23<alexandroogonsan>find repo of apt and apt-get
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17:24<mooff>tjcarter: the [snip] is a privacy replacement, but usually after running "sudo apt [..]" the issue is resolved, and i haven't actually probed the files yet :/
17:24<mooff>(mostly as a result.. typically i 'apt search foo', then 'sudo apt search foo', then move on :)
17:24<alex11>well, apt got some changes in debian 11, i know that
17:25<alex11>i'm not really sure what though
17:25*tjcarter is still unclear what alexandroogonsan (who seems not to understand shell globs) wants changed in apt
17:26<tjcarter>mooff: apt is telling you the files are missing or do not have world readable permissions
17:27<tjcarter>If they're missing, I suspect launchpad is involved because Ubuntu's been stupid lately.
17:27<mooff>i can read the error ofc, just not sure _why_
17:27<mooff>i'd expect it not to say Permission denied, if they were missing
17:27<tjcarter>they've been slowly making apt repositories not actually have the files that an apt repository is supposed to have because they decided that they don't need them.
17:27<mooff>heh :/
17:28<mooff>it really is intermittent.. and i don't *think* it's just Launchpad repos.. though that one happened to be
17:28<tjcarter>thing is, they're not even fixing their own f**king packages to work with their new vision of a proprietary formerly debian-like future.
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17:29<tjcarter>y'know what's REALLY broken by Ubuntu's current stupidity? apt-file
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17:29<tjcarter>which exists in ubuntu still, but no longer works on any ubuntu system
17:30<tjcarter>they no longer publish a contents file.
17:30<mooff>nee-naw nee-naw this is the TOPIC POLICE
17:30<sarnold>tjcarter: what's broken with it? I use apt-file nearly daily
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17:31<tjcarter>(for anyone wondering why we cannot and do not support non-debian "debian-based" distributions, that's part of why.)
17:31<tjcarter>sarnold: apt-file needs the Contents files for the repo to work
17:31<tjcarter>sarnold: Ubuntu no longer publishes those.
17:32<tjcarter>If they modified apt-file to work with whatever their new vision is … they neglected to update 20.04's version.
17:33<mooff>https://paste.debian.net/1212594/ (Permission denied saga)
17:33<sarnold>tjcarter: $ apt-file search hello | wc -l
17:33<sarnold>5372
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17:35<tjcarter>sarnold: if that's on ubuntu, and 20.04 … either they finally did fix a 2 year old bug or they modified apt-file, more recently than a few weeks ago.
17:36<sarnold>tjcarter: I'm going to guess your system's still busted :) I use it quite often and would have been cranky if it stopped..
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17:36<tjcarter>sarnold: I don't run anything ubuntu anymore.
17:36*mooff 'apt install apt-file; apt-file update' on a 20.04 system as we speak to determine a winner
17:37*mooff observes it downloading lots of Contents files
17:37<mooff>$ apt-file search hello | wc -l
17:37<mooff>5369
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17:38<jkc>tjcarter: I have never not had apt-file work in Ubuntu, on any release.
17:38<mooff>tjcarter: did they write anything about it publically?
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17:39<tjcarter>mooff: there was a launchpad bug about PPAs not having those files that was 2 years old and the only response from them was that PPA archives didn't generate these files.
17:39<tjcarter>when the mirrors stopped having them for the main archive for about a week, I gave up
17:40<mooff>heh :/
17:40<tjcarter>I'd long ago observed that PPAs didn't generate those files
17:41<tjcarter>they never closed the bug as wontfix, but they also never fixed it
17:41<mooff>alexandroogonsan: by the way.. you probably just want: apt install python3-setuptools
17:41<mooff>right?
17:43<tjcarter>apt-file is an incredibly useful package for someone providing support. They come in and start naming some random thing you've never heard of and … apt-file tells you what it is and what installs it. You can go from there to figure out what they're talking about.
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17:43<mooff>tjcarter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7acD4q0lp0
17:44<mooff>[The Dude: you, Detective: Launchpad devs]
17:45<mooff>(of course it's useful and i feel your frustration. i am glad 'apt-file' works for the main Ubuntu repos again)
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17:49<mooff>how on earth does that /var/lib/apt/lists file end up only readable by root from time to time?
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17:51<sarnold>I can't recall ever seeing that
17:52<sarnold>my wild-ass-guess is that there might be a path to updating that lists that doesn't either (a) clear out the umask or (b) forgets to set the modes correctly after creating files / directories to undo possible umask settings .. and you might have a restrictive umask setting through a path that grabs lists
17:53<mooff>ah, it could be umask related, you're right
17:53<mooff>hm, i'm still running umask 022
17:54<mooff>so that would rule that out :(
17:54<mooff>but it was a promising lead
17:56<mooff>any others? :)
17:56<sarnold>umask changes from process to process; maybe you've got a cronjob that runs weekly or monthly with a funny umask setting and grabs new lists, or maybe some polkit-aware desktop application is doing something goofy when grabbing lists, etc
17:57<mooff>"polkit-aware desktop application" calls to mind the gnome-software daemon
17:58<mooff>"doing something goofy".. tjcarter would certainly say that's possible with gnome apps
17:58<sarnold>:)
17:59<tjcarter>eh? I was off doing something else. "Goofy" doesn't generally describe Gnome app behavior. I've got lots of other discriptors, but … I'll save those for other channels.
18:00<tjcarter>umask is a possibility
18:00<tjcarter>probability if it's intermittent
18:00<mooff>\
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18:02<mooff>if it's gnome-software's fault, that it involves umask is an implementation detail of the bug
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18:35<alexandroogonsan_>https://paste.debian.net/1212598/
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18:37<sarnold>alexandroogonsan_: try installing whatever libpythonx.x-dev package you need for your system
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18:38<mooff>i.e., apt install python3-dev
18:39<sarnold>oh that's much better
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18:58<alexandroogonsan_>How do I make it work? https://paste.debian.net/1212599/
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19:17<sarnold>alexandroogonsan_: did you have any luck with installing python3-dev?
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19:22<alexandroogonsan_>sarnold: I think yes...
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19:27<danielssan>is there a reason why #debian-offtopic is only for registered users (in comparison to this channel)
19:28<somiaj>Often times that option gets set during spam bot attacks, we sometimes set it here too
19:28<somiaj>though we removed it once the spambots got board, offtopic might consider removing it as well
19:29<danielssan>thanks for the info :)
19:29<somiaj>I passed the info along to those who pay more attention to that channel
19:30<danielssan>so are people thrown out of the channel when it's getting restricted to registered? or is it only blocked to join?
19:32<sarnold>usually blocked to join
19:33<sarnold>there's also a channel mode that blocks unregistered / unverified people from posting, but that's less commonly used
19:33<danielssan>thanks again
19:34<somiaj>some channels just use +R because they don't have as many active mods. This channel usually has a mod around, so if the bots get bad we can toggle it temporary
19:34<danielssan>seems like I have to postpone my question about compiling a mainline kernel :/
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19:35<somiaj>why is that? -offtopic is not a support channel and that sounds like support
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19:37<danielssan>so when I compile mainline (without any other patches), the first make -j12 deb-pkg always fails, when executed a second time, it always finishes without any problems (no commands in between like make clean) and I found a mkdebian.sh script in the tar file. but every time I execute that (to generate the debian directory) it fails because of the architecture not found
19:37<danielssan>so any way to get that script working?
19:37<danielssan>(I assume that script was pushed by debian)
19:37<bremner>I don't think so
19:38<danielssan>so how come is that script then executed while make deb-pkg?
19:38<somiaj>maybe try using bindeb-pkg instead?
19:39<danielssan>because after that the debian directory is there, and you can interact with it :/
19:39<danielssan>what's the difference to deb-pkg?
19:39<somiaj>one makes a source package as well as a binary package, while the other only makes a binary package (faster and takes less space)
19:40<somiaj>though I'm not sure why you need to run that twice, the few times i've built a kernel recentally both deb-pkg and bindeb-pkg have worked
19:41<danielssan>hm so I guess no dbg and linux-libc-dev pkg?
19:41<danielssan>let's try it
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19:51<danielssan>hm, which versions did you compile btw somiaj, as I tried 5.14.5 and 5.15-rc2
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19:51<danielssan>idk if it maybe is because of the rc :/
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19:54<alexandro>https://paste.debian.net/1212601/
19:54<dvs>danielssan: old
19:55<danielssan>old?
19:55<dvs>5.14.6. is out
19:55<danielssan>yeah I know, that was before 5.14.6 came out
19:56<danielssan>I sat myself down for a week to get to try to understand how compiling a kernel works. so now I am just trying to figure out why my first make doesn't work (but every one after that)
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20:37<danielssan>oh another question, how can I change the way the package names, which are generated by the make command? because linux-image-5.15.0-rc2-local_5.15.0-rc2-local-1_amd64.deb is quite long and having the version twice in the name is annoying (the name in grub is perfectly fine)
20:38<sney>those are generated from debian/changelog for most packages, maybe the same here?
20:39<fudgespinner>so what's everyone's solution for minimal KDE install without KDE PIM suite?
20:40<danielssan>hm it only says "linux-upstream (5.15.0-rc2-local-1) bullseye; urgency=low" so which means I would need to delete the version?
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20:41<fudgespinner>fudgespinner: continued: not to say that I didn't want to use its PIM software, I found it really lacking and I considered the bundle non-functional by modern standard.
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20:45<fudgespinner>the workaround I can do for now is use "apt-mark" to flag every necessary packages (Plasma, Xorg, etc.) as manual. But I think there's people who yearn for minimal KDE install like what's in KDE Neon too.
20:46<sney>fudgespinner: the 'kde-plasma-desktop' metapackage provides as minimal a kde environment as is available in debian
20:47<fudgespinner>ah, thanks.
20:47<fudgespinner>since I already install the full KDE desktop right now, I have to resort that workaround...
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20:51<fudgespinner>well, so far that workaround doesn't break anything for now...
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20:59<abrotman>ls
20:59<dvs>.
20:59<dvs>..
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20:59<abrotman>ALL MAH FILES!
21:00<dvs>heh
21:00<fudgespinner>abrotman: what happened?
21:00<fudgespinner>oh jesus I lost my recently owned audiobooks too!
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21:00<fudgespinner>*sweats*
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21:02<fudgespinner>so, for old cards with legacy drivers like my Nvidia 9500 GT, are there any way to fix background image showing as pink-and-white static after resuming from automatic suspend?
21:03<danielssan>why not using outright the FOSS drivers? you get no advantage in using the blob
21:03<danielssan>except more bugs ;)
21:04<fudgespinner>got three person said to use blob, welp... and I tried to argue on my insistence on using nouveau *flushes*
21:05<sney>with older hardware you're kind of stuck with partial support, whatever you use. just find out which one is less bad, and stick with it
21:06<fudgespinner>so did Debian has single-user mode?
21:06<fudgespinner>like recovery mode in Ubuntu.
21:07<sney>yes, it's in the grub menu
21:07<sney>you will need to set a root password if you don't have one though
21:07<fudgespinner>I see. last time I remember back in stretch it didn't work at all and boots straight back to normal desktop, but that's on laptop though
21:08<fudgespinner>which in turned got replaced by this desktop, and I think buster it works fine now... okay...
21:08<magyar>hi, I'm trying to build a boot usb on stable for virt-p2v but I get an error message that Debian 11 is not supported
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21:08<danielssan>my mom uses a laptop with that gpu (well the mobile version of that) and I can only recommend nouveau (as there was nothing the FOSS driver couldn't do)
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21:08<danielssan>in comparison the blob had no way of adjusting brightness
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21:10<sney>magyar: debian 10 settings will work for debian 11 in any virtualization environment
21:12<twb>what "background image"
21:12<sney>I think some kvm/libvirt stuff doesn't know debian 11 exists yet, is the issue
21:12<twb>sney: that's all a single XML now
21:12<twb>sney: something liks os-info package
21:12<twb>back before release, I installed one from buster-backports to get debian 11 IIRC
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21:12<sney>right, libosinfo, I was trying to hunt it down last month because virt-manager doesn't list 11 yet either
21:12<twb>sney: ah it's "osinfo-db"
21:13<twb>sney: right now, you need osinfo-db/testing
21:13<twb>- adds Debian Bullseye (Closes: #980744)
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21:13<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/980744 in osinfo-db (closed, bookworm, sid, bullseye): «Please add support for upcoming bullseye release»; severity: important; opened: 2021-01-21; last modified: 2021-09-06.
21:13<magyar>sney: I get these error on virt-p2v-make-disk >> https://bpa.st/7BDQ
21:14<sney>magyar: that's just apt stuff, changing the suites after bullseye released
21:15<magyar>this is after I run ok, but I get a slew of error during the apt process
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21:16<magyar>sney: the command exits with this error >> https://bpa.st/AGTQ
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21:17<sney>magyar: I don't use virt-p2v, but that's also apt stuff, your apt cache is outdated so it's trying to download older packages
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21:26<magyar>sney: not sure how my bullseye apt cache is conflicting with buster virt-p2v
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21:27<sney>it shouldn't, it's the one inside the bootstrap environment. maybe try with a different mirror, sometimes deb.debian.org gets into a weird state if you're hitting it a lot
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21:31<magyar>sney: I don't think I can add the mirror parameter to the virt-p2v-make-disk command
21:32<twb>I gave up on virt-tools because of difficulties like that
21:32<sney>there must be a way to specify a different mirror.
21:32<magyar>hmm, just tried debian-9 parameter and it built fine
21:33<twb>If you run virtiofs you can avoid needing virtual disks at all
21:33<magyar>but debian-10 fails all the time
21:33<twb>Debian 11 boots off virtiofs root for me in libvirtd, all I had to do was add "virtiofs" to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
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21:34<twb>magyar: "E: Repository 'http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates InRelease' changed its 'Suite' value from 'stable' to 'oldstable'"
21:34<twb>magyar: that line indicates you're not doing a fresh build, you're doing an upgrade
21:35<twb>magyar: I guess whatever command you're ran has some sort of local cache
21:36<twb>If you are rebuilding images a lot, I recommend "apt install apt-cacher-ng auto-apt-proxy" which gives excellent results out of the box IME.
21:37<magyar>twb: I've never used virtiofs
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21:37<twb>Explain this: WORKS: apt list '~skernel~snon-free' FAILS: apt list '~skernel/non-free'
21:38<magyar>twb: I never used virt-p2v before, I just installed it on my home stable (bullseye) and ran the virt-p2v-make-disk -o /dev/sdX debian-10
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21:39<twb>magyar: then all I can guess is you have some sort of caching proxy
21:39<twb>magyar: which has cached from before Debian 11 was released
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21:40<twb>magyar: possibly a broken local mirror, like rsync://mirror.internode.on.net/debian
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21:54*awal1 Don't understand why gnome title bar is so wide and why gome team won't let user configure their own desktop... :(
21:54<danielssan>awal1: you can change it, but you would need to switch themes
21:55<awal1>danielssan, yes
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21:55<awal1>i switched to materia gtk theme
21:55<sney>gnome upstream doesn't like customization
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21:56<danielssan>hm i don't understand it, compiled the kernel now twice, and for whatever reason it's now working :(
21:56<awal1>with materia theme title bar is almost ok
21:57<awal1>well, i'm just trying gnome in a vm...
21:57<awal1>if i had to use a desktop, i think i'll chose xfce
21:59<awal1>gnome don't like customization,. so users have to use extensions. and with that one gets a bloated sytem, unstable
21:59<awal1>system
21:59<twb>awal1: "so wide" is because they copied chrome and windows, where now the title bar is mandatory because they put non-title things in it
22:00<awal1>hm
22:00<twb>awal1: or to put it differently: now there is a single merged bar that merges title/menu/tool bars, and therefore "why would you turn it off"
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22:00<twb>awal1: but apps that don't use that, end up with that huge bar with nothing in it, AND the old-style separate bars
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22:01<twb>I personally find it kinda confusing that e.g. Ctrl+F search now happens in the title bar
22:01<twb>awal1: oh the other reason for this is wayland.
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22:01<awal1>twb, i'm referring to the "merged" bar
22:01<awal1>the merged bar is so wide
22:01<twb>awal1: in wayland and broadway you don't have a separate process to draw a separate title bar, so the app has to do it
22:02<awal1>if you use non-gnome app , my God, you end with a wide wide wide bar lol
22:02<awal1>firefox does it now
22:03<danielssan>wide as in tall?
22:03<twb>https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2013/02/client-side-window-decorations-and-wayland/ (apparently not strictly required by wayland)
22:03<danielssan>after turning off title bar in firefox, i do think it's okay for me (but on the other hand I find the header bars not that bad)
22:03<awal1>but if you enable that you can't shade, send to other virtual desktop and so
22:04<awal1>wide i mean large
22:04<jmcnaught>awal1: in Firefox use "Customize" in the menu (or View > Toolbars > Customize) and in the bottom left there is a checkbox for title bar
22:04<awal1>jmcnaught, i saw that yeah
22:04<twb>I *HATED* GTK3 CSDs when I was on chromebooks with 7" to 10" screens, because I simply didn't have the spare space
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22:05<jmcnaught>awal1: "wide" is a description of horizontal measurements. GNOME's title bars are tall, or thick.
22:05<twb>Now that I'm on a thinkpad with 1080p, I just Don't Care Anymore that gnome wastes about 4 rows of text with mostly-useless title bar and... whatever the top bar thing is called, that they copied from MacOS System 7
22:05<awal1>wide i mean large vertically
22:06<awal1>title bar (merged or not) + top panel= 10% of the screan lost :D
22:06<twb>awal1: in English the correct term is "tall" or "high"
22:06<awal1>ok
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22:07<twb>"wide" refers to horizontal
22:07<awal1>bad experiencee with gnome as end user
22:07<awal1>ok, ok
22:07<twb>awal1: what does "xrandr" say for your current resolution?
22:08<awal1>twb, my laptop main screen is 1366x768
22:08<twb>awal1: yeah you are in the same situation I was in
22:08<danielssan>yeah okay with that screen I would also probably look for something smaller :/
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22:09<twb>awal1: you can run a different WM to avoid the top bar (e.g. ratpoison or swaywm); you can run non-GTK3 apps to avoid the huge CSD bar.
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22:09<twb>awal1: there is not much you can do about GTK3 apps to make the bar smaller.
22:10<twb>awal1: GTK has a "scaling factor" for this, but it only works the other way -- to make it 2 or 3 times bigger
22:10<awal1>twb, right now i run openbox i have no problems with bars and so. but i may switch from unstable stable; that is why I wanted to try gnome. but i think xfce is the DE i'll like
22:10<awal1>unstable to stable
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22:13<awal1>well guys, thanks for your attention . dinner cooking time
22:14<twb>Oh btw
22:14<twb>https://github.com/PCMan/gtk3-nocsd
22:14<twb>But don't expect it to actually help or work very well
22:15<awal1>interesting. i'll check it later
22:17<awal1>see you guys (Y)
22:17<somiaj>yea hit and miss with gtk3-nocsd, and kind depends on the window manager if you get any decorations or not
22:18<awal1>running a wm client side decoration a non sense
22:19<somiaj>luckly fvwm allows me to decor things even when they don't want to be, though i usually remove the title bar and just use the border
22:19<awal1>you can't shade, send to other page/virtual desktop and so
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22:20<awal1>ciao guys. diner time
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23:25<spartan>hi guys. debian is installed on my /dev/sdb1 (1t hdd) and i have another disk (/dev/sda) that also has the capacity of 1t, so now i want to like "combine" or "merge" both together so my "/" isn't only capped to that one disk but i want to make use of both. running debian 11 bullseye at the moment
23:26<bentham>'parted' is your friend
23:27<twb>spartan: are you using LVM?
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23:29<spartan>twb: nope
23:29<twb>spartan: then you're screwed
23:29<bentham>hence my suggestion of 'parted'
23:29<twb>spartan: this is exactly the kind of thing LVM (or ZFS) exist to make possible
23:29<twb>parted cannot merge two disks together in any way
23:30<bentham>twb: No. But it can help you move the data.
23:30<spartan>lucky I don't have any data on my server atm
23:30<bentham>LVM and ZFS are not for everyone.
23:31<spartan>what would you recommend because its for storage
23:31<spartan>lvm or zfs
23:31<twb>spartan: what you would have to do is end up with a two-disk pool using either RAID0 or LVM. You cannot do this in-place; you will have to set up stuff on sda, and then make sure that boots, then wipe and add sdb1 to the pool
23:31<twb>spartan: note that in either case, if EITHER drive dies, you will lose everything.
23:32<bentham>Personally, I think you're doing the right thing, assuming you're using ext4. twb is right that you cannot move things in place, and also right that losing everything is a terrible risk.
23:32<twb>spartan: ZFS is better for complicated setups, but for newbies, LVM is much simpler and easier.
23:32<bentham>You'll just need to move things around by hand.
23:32<spartan>twb thanks for the info!
23:33<twb>LVM can actually do all of mdraid's job nowadays, but this is not very well documented
23:33<twb>spartan: if this is a recent install, probably the easiest option is to just reinstall and choose "with LVM" guided partitioning option
23:34<twb>spartan: then, you can move files over from the old sdb1 and then add sdb1 to your LVM pool
23:35<spartan>twb yeah its a recent install
23:36<spartan>i wanna move some big data on my server
23:36<spartan>but the host gave me 2x 1tb
23:36<spartan>so i have to merge now
23:36<spartan>what u said just now should work tho?
23:36<twb>yes
23:36<spartan>ill do that then
23:36<spartan>thank you so much! <3
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23:37<twb>What you will end up with is an LVM pool such that "pvs" (physical volumes) lists 2 PVs -- sda (or more likely, sda1) and sdb1.
23:37<twb>Then "vgs" will list a single volume group (pool), called something like "VG0" or "my-cool-server"
23:38<twb>Then inside that, "lvs" wlil list 1 or more logical volumes, e.g. VG0/root VG0/boot VG0/home VG0/var/log
23:38<twb>Each of those is a separate ext4 filesystem and has a set amount of the total allocated to it
23:39<twb>spartan: here is an example server doing a mirror (RAID1) of two disks in md, then LVM on top of md: http://ix.io/3zvH
23:40<spartan>got it :D thanks for it again man
23:40<twb>spartan: because ext4 supports online grow, but not online shrink, it is a VERY good idea to allocate space in LVM conservatively
23:41<twb>e.g. if you have 40GB of files currently, only allocate 64GB, not 1000GB
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