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01:04<dasunt>I just need some stuff to google - if I want to setup a centralized solution (similar to Windows AD), what terms should I be searching for?
01:04<sney>ldap and kerberos
01:05<dasunt>Thanks!
01:05<sney>and usually samba is there too
01:05<dasunt>Will that work if I want to add some Windows test boxen to the mix?
01:05<sney>yes, samba has the pieces to be a domain controller
01:05<dasunt>Great!
01:05<dasunt>I'll google that and confuse myself in the next week or two. :D
01:06<sney>yes you will. good luck
01:07<dasunt>Well, I have hit *five* VM servers in the test lab environment. Changing all passwords will take a minute or two. While setting up a central directory could take me hours. The choice is obvious. Just need to sacrifice a few hours.
01:08<twb>dasunt: there are two ways to do centralized auth
01:08<dasunt>Guessing NTP is going to be involved as well.
01:08<twb>dasunt: 1. run samba-ad; 2. it doesn't work
01:08<dasunt>LOL!
01:09<twb>Active Directory (AD) is a combination of LDAP, Kerberos (krb5), and DNS.
01:09<twb>Samba got so fed up with trying to integrate third-party implementations, they eventually just implemented it all in-house
01:09<twb>This is "samba-ad".
01:09<twb>For stupid reasons, you cannot run samba-the-file-server and samba-the-AD-server on the same host without a lot of problems. So if you want file sharing, you'll need another host, or a container, or a VM.
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01:11<twb>Note that because samba-ad is targeting a Windows-first world, some things are weird and/or stupid. For example, no EXOP or slapo-ppolicy. Crap password ciphers. krb means every host needs a password (more or less).
01:14<dasunt>I have a few gigs of memory left on the franken-vhost.
01:14<dasunt>Think I'm tempting fate if I give it .5 - 1 gig?
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01:21<tjcarter>,v libindicator3-7
01:21<judd>Package: libindicator3-7 on amd64 -- stretch: 0.5.0-3+b1; buster: 0.5.0-4
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01:33<Unit193>somiaj: You can also try https://github.com/utopia-repository/libappindicator-transitional
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01:37<tjcarter>Unit193: I think you probably meant that for me?
01:37<Unit193>He mentioned it earlier, you just mentioned libindicator3-7 which is related but different. It did remind me and made me /lastlog
01:37<tjcarter>I was just curious because a couple of packages still recommend it, I had it installed, but it's kinda going away
01:38<tjcarter>,v deluge-gtk
01:38<judd>Package: deluge-gtk on amd64 -- stretch: 1.3.13+git20161130.48cedf63-3; buster: 1.3.15-2; bookworm: 2.0.3-3.1; bullseye: 2.0.3-3.1; sid: 2.0.3-3.1
01:39<tjcarter>that's one of them
01:39<tjcarter>the other has an | recommendation, ye fun libvirt stuff
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01:57<Unit193>tjcarter: Deluge works just fine if you don't have it installed, just recommended after all. However, try https://git.unit193.net/cgit/users/unit193/deluge.git/commit/?id=30b6248539a1fe86bb41fe8b4ca8f3178f05a360 perhaps?
01:58<tjcarter>Unit193: uses new appindicators?
01:58<Unit193>Ayatana, yes.
01:59<tjcarter>Adding that to the debian package would be nice (it won't happen in an update for bullseye most likely)
01:59<tjcarter>it's not "needed" and if you don't need it, it doesn't happen for stable, etc.
02:00<tjcarter>I really ought to pull git for deluge anyway, 2.0.3 is … shall we say not the most stable GTK torrent app?
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02:21<Unit193>I added a couple upstream patches and it solved most issues.
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04:40<towerman>Hello guys
04:40<towerman>Is there the HPE management component pack for bullseye?
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04:43<another>Maybe you should ask HPE
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04:46<towerman>Nothing there
04:46<towerman>dist focal, buster, bionic, xenial, trusty, precise, stretch, jessie
04:46<towerman>project_ver current, 12.05, 12.00, 11.30, 11.21, 11.05
04:46<towerman>Nothing about bullseye
04:46<towerman>Find it here --> https://downloads.linux.hpe.com/SDR/project/mcp/
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04:47<another>Yes, I know. That's why I suggested you ask them
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04:50<towerman>Thanks
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04:57<hypo_>hey in my netinstall graphical installer i used manual partitioning and when it did proceed to creating ext4 filesystem for root it got stuck. btw i wanna install it on ssd . any idea?
04:58<hypo_>it just couldn't create ext4 filesystem for root partition
04:59<hypo_>i also tried out offline install but it happened there too ;)
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05:03<hypo_>nobody online here i guess :)
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05:51<dreamer>indeed. nobody here
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06:11<johnjay>nobody but us bananas
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06:14<sussudio>yeah, wait a whole 3 minutes for an answer, mister impatient.
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06:22<xoddf2>Is there a way to get libvirt/virt-manager/whatever to stop disabling XScreenSaver?
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06:36<another>libvirt is disabling XScreensaver? wat?
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06:37<xoddf2>another: Something keeps running "xscreensaver-command -quiet -deactivate".
06:37<emanuele>buongiorno
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06:38<another>Do you perhaps have a window to a running VM open in virt-manager?
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06:38<xoddf2>another: I did, but even after closing that, it still does that.
06:38<another>videoplayer open anywhere?
06:38<xoddf2>another: No
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07:03<xoddf2>Killing and restarting XScreenSaver _seems_ to fix it temporarily, touch wood, but what causes it to get broken again?
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07:05<jm_>xoddf2: are you sure something is running the xscreenserver-command command?
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07:05<xoddf2>jm_: I did some "while true; ps whatever; done > some-file" (command is not verbatim) and then used grep and less to find that.
07:06<jm_>xoddf2: ahh so you already found out what runs it? if not, something like mv -i xscreenserver-command xscreenserver-command.bin ; create xscreenserver-command shell script which shows PPID for the shell and finally runs xscreenserver-command "$@"
07:06<xoddf2>jm_: No
07:07<jm_>important fix: runs xscreenserver-command.bin "$@"
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07:08<jm_>something like pstree or ps -eo user,pid,ppid,command
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07:25<Dresden2>With things like sudo which purge the environment (which is indeed the right thing to do) what's the policy on things that would be good in environmentals?
07:25<Dresden2>Is there some big directory with files for environmental names and their values? (I don't believe so)
07:25<Dresden2>I've resorted to a folder called "policies" and storing the values there (it's not a substitute for environmentals, it's chceked in their absence)
07:26<alex11>i think that's usually documented in the man pages but yeah i'm not sure either
07:27<Dresden2>I'd really really like "sudo [thing]" to work you see. These are things which govern actions, so for example... the command used to do a thing (very vague sorry) - some systems use X, some use Y
07:27<Dresden2>I did try "THING_POLICY_FOR_THE_OTHER_THING=X" first
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07:42<umlaeute>is there a way to have "apt-get install --download-only" ignore missing dependencies?
07:45<umlaeute>ah kind of found a solution for my problem (which was really: installing debug-packages for a backports, even though i don't want to install the backports packages)
07:46<umlaeute>"apt-get install --download-only -tbuster-backports-debug myapp-dbgsym -tbuster-backports myapp"
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09:45<sparky4>https://paste.debian.net/1212573/ i never seen this error before
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09:59<gig>this might be a silly question, but does there exist some source code repository for debian *itself* (e.g. a repo for, say, debian jessie)? or is it more or less just apt that installs everything where it needs to go?
09:59<petn-randall>gig: The source of every package is also available via apt.
09:59<petn-randall>!source
09:59<dpkg>As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; retrieve dependencies with <apt-get build-dep>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> <source package>
10:00<gig>i see, thank you!
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10:15<sparky4>so is there anyway to fix a half installed package?
10:18<petn-randall>!bat
10:18<dpkg>[Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
10:19<petn-randall>sparky4: Can you provide *all* of the above? ^^^ It's needed to effectively debug the issue.
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10:29<sparky4>okay
10:30<sparky4>https://paste.debian.net/1212688/
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10:34<petn-randall>sparky4: You're missing 2., `apt-cache policy lib6:i386` and 3. `apt-cache policy`.
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10:35<sparky4>ah let me show it then
10:37<sparky4>https://paste.debian.net/1212689/
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10:38<petn-randall>sparky4: Are you in the middle of an upgrade from stretch to buster?
10:38<sparky4>no
10:39<sparky4>i had to downgrade to buster because of failure from upgrading to bullseye
10:39<petn-randall>sparky4: Oh, that's of course not possible.
10:39<petn-randall>!downgrade
10:39<dpkg>Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
10:39<petn-randall>sparky4: I recommend reinstalling in that case.
10:39<sparky4>well i did not upgrade
10:40<sparky4>oh no
10:40<sparky4>thats not an option
10:40<petn-randall>It's not?
10:40<sparky4>nope
10:40<sparky4>i did not actually upgrade to debian 11 fully
10:40<petn-randall>Then your next best option is to recover the system by restoring your backups.
10:40<sparky4>i cant easily do that
10:41<coruja>sparky4: what about a complete upgrade to bullseye then?
10:41<sparky4>it fails due to libc6:i386 being not found
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10:42<sparky4>it's a 32 bit install
10:43<petn-randall>sparky4: If you don't want to reinstall, you can also just finish the upgrade. But at this point it would be good to know what you exactly did to end up in this situation.
10:44<petn-randall>sparky4: Do you still have the terminal output from the failed upgrade and any other steps you did?
10:44<sparky4>i tried to upgrade to bullseye
10:44<sparky4>nope
10:45<petn-randall>I guess I'd then finish upgrading instead.
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10:45<sparky4>it throws alot of errors on libc6
10:46<petn-randall>sparky4: Is there a reason you aborted upgrading to bullseye?
10:46<sparky4>it failed
10:46<petn-randall>Care to be more specific?
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10:47<sparky4>it is the libc6:i386 package on a 32 bit system
10:47<petn-randall>sparky4: What is the output of `apt-cache policy libc6`?
10:48<petn-randall>sparky4: Also the output of `dpkg --print-architecture` and `dpkg --print-foreign-architectures`.
10:48<sparky4>https://paste.debian.net/1212691/
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10:49<sparky4>https://paste.debian.net/1212694/
10:49<sparky4>brb moving
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10:51<coruja>i think the output of another dist-upgrade try could be helpful
10:51<petn-randall>sparky4: Ok, at this point I'd just continue with the upgrade to bullseye, as it's unclear how many packages have already been upgraded.
10:52<petn-randall>sparky4: Either that, or you reinstall buster. Though it's unclear to me why that's not an option to me.
10:52<petn-randall>*for you.
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10:58<sparky4>okay lets retry
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11:02<sparky4>http://4ch.mooo.com/4/junk.txt
11:03<sparky4>petn-randall:
11:03<coruja>sparky4: any held packages?
11:03<sparky4>how do i check?
11:03*wuniu whois
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11:06<sparky4>shows nothing
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11:08<Sqrt{not}>sparky4, did you try sney's suggestion from last night: [12:48:02] <sney> sparky4: what if you 'dpkg-reconfigure libc6'
11:08<Sqrt{not}>(and do that in a buster context, since that is your broken libc6)
11:09<sparky4>not yet lets see
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11:11<sparky4>returns '/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: libc6 is broken or not fully installed'
11:11<Sqrt{not}>are you working with only buster sources.list right now?
11:11<sparky4>yeah
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11:18<Sqrt{not}>sparky4, from what I can tell from the scrollback, you had a partially updated buster system, with at least libc6 and probably some other compilers things not fully installed/update/configured, and then you started an upgrade to bullseye, which stumbled over the not-quite-installed things from buster.
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11:19<sparky4>oh
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11:20<Sqrt{not}>sparky4, it looks pretty wedged to me. I agree your easiest fix will be to backup your own data/source/whatever files, and reinstall bullseye from scratch.
11:20<sparky4>i have a system backup
11:20<sparky4>from the old HDD
11:21<Sqrt{not}>sparky4, great! if you can restore to a consistent version, then you should be able carefully to re-do your buster upgrades, and then your changeover to bullseye
11:21<coruja>sparky4: then restore that one (if you're sure it in working state), then upgrade buster, and eventually dist-upgrade to bullseye from there
11:21<coruja>ok, too late ;)
11:22<Sqrt{not}>(I third that!)
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11:23<sparky4>sigh this means i have to take the sderver DOWN and upgrade it
11:24<sparky4>let me check if the hdd is the old server works
11:24<coruja>sparky4: a broken libc6 is pita and mostly unrepairable
11:25<sparky4>i just powered off the server
11:26<sparky4>also F in the chat for the server
11:26<sparky4>F
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11:27<Sqrt{not}>sparky4, get this guide, if you don't have it already: https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/installmanual
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11:53<fl0at>anyone else have trouble with bluetooth? specifically with the ax200?
11:56<sussudio>everyone has trouble with bluetooth. it's a bad protocol.
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11:59<mooff>i heard the printed spec can be used to prop a monitor up by several feet
11:59<mosasaur>there's always the command line interface
11:59<mooff>(okay, centimetres, feet just sounds more dramatic)
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12:10<fl0at>sussudio: true, but I need to use it for a drawing tablet
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12:16<tjcarter>sussudio: The Linux implementation is more annoying than most
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12:17<blast007>fl0at: what specific issue are you having with it?
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12:20<syam32>hi
12:20<syam32>anyone?
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12:24<fl0at>blast007: can't use bluetoothctl it hangs on to "waiting to connect to blueoothd" even though I have bluetooth.service enabled. I go manually start it but it immediately dies with almost no logs so I have nothing to go off of. It just says "inactive" immediately
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12:26<Leonid>hallo need some help
12:26<fl0at>whats up leonid
12:26<fl0at>what's goin on
12:26<Leonid>fl0at, i download debian 11 make it for usb , but bios dont see it
12:27<Leonid>maby not that version i download
12:27<fl0at>Leonid: what program did you use to make it?
12:27<Leonid>or rufus not for it ?
12:27<Leonid>rufus
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12:28<Leonid>fl0at i download debian-11.0.0-amd64-DVD-1
12:28<blast007>!rufus
12:28<dpkg>rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. Debian CD/DVD images MUST be written in "DD Mode," otherwise it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
12:28<blast007>did you use DD mode?
12:28<Leonid>no
12:29<Leonid>i dont see there DD mode
12:29<blast007>then use a different tool
12:29<blast007>!win32diskimager
12:29<dpkg>win32diskimager is much more reliable than <rufus> or <etcher> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from https://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details.
12:29<Leonid>i download debian-11.0.0-amd64-DVD-1
12:30<Leonid>this version ? i need
12:30<Leonid>?
12:30<tjcarter>Leonid: that'll be fine for a basic installation. I kinda like to use a live installer myself
12:31<tjcarter>Leonid: what do you have for network adapter and video card?
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12:31<Leonid>tjcarter what you mean ?
12:31<babilen>Do you want to install Debian or use a live environment on USB?
12:32<Leonid>no i want install
12:32<babilen>My personal recommendation would be to use an image with firmware *IFF* your hardware requires it (quite common for, say, wifi cards) -- https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
12:32<tjcarter>Leonid: Debian comes in a flavor that is only an installer and in one you can boot (more slowly) from USB to try it out, play with it a bit, etc.
12:32<Leonid>i have debian 10 try to update have some problem and system dow
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12:33<tjcarter>Leonid: also if you have e.g. nvidia hardware or your networking is wifi (or some ethernet, but especially wifi), you'll want a non-official Debian with non-free firmware most likely
12:34<Leonid>tjcarter , just version for usb
12:34<tjcarter>that's all of them
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12:35<Leonid>debian-11.0.0-amd64-DVD-1 this to for usb >
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12:35<tjcarter>should work for you—use win32diskimager instead of rufus to write it
12:35<Leonid>ok thanks
12:36<tjcarter>rufus _can_ do it if you know (or can figure out) how to configure it to do the right thing. win32diskimager skips that since it already does the right thing
12:37<Leonid>from rufus DD image i must do ?
12:37<tjcarter>forget rufus, it tries to be smart and instead ends up being dumb
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12:40<Leonid>win32diskimager better ?
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12:41<tjcarter>for this, much
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12:50<Leonid>tjcarter dowsnot shows usb at bios
12:51<tjcarter>Leonid: check your bios settings, it might be set NOT to show USB
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12:57<blast007>fl0at: I have a laptop with an Intel AX201 and I was able to pair my phone via bluetooth in Debian 11 and run bluetoothctl. Does WiFi work for you?
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12:59<hoobaman>hi :)
13:00<blast007>you might also seem some relevant errors if you run 'sudo systemctl status bluetooth.service'
13:00<hoobaman>i have a weird issue with openvswitch in bullseye (this installation is an dist-upgrade from stretch -> buster -> bullseye)
13:00<hoobaman>my IF_OVS_TYPE var is empty
13:00<hoobaman>https://pastebin.com/qPdZWQ9B
13:00<hoobaman>i dont get it :/
13:01<hoobaman>any clues? or what script is responsible for feeding the var
13:02<hoobaman>maybe I did a too optimistic deborphan
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13:07<blast007>hoobaman: have you checked in /usr/share/doc/openvswitch-switch/README.Debian for how to configure /etc/network/interfaces ?
13:08<hoobaman>blast007: thank you for the reply. yes (pastebin), network/interfaces is configured as in the readme. but it skips config since var is empty
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13:44<blast007>hoobaman: beyond that shell script log, what issue are you seeing?
13:47<hoobaman>blast007: thanks for your reply. the IF_OVS_TYPE var is empty so networking|if-pre-up/openvswitch skips the config
13:47<hoobaman>openvswitch and ovsdb are running
13:47<blast007>yeah, but wouldn't it be running that same script for the 'lo' interface? is that output from that?
13:48<hoobaman>blast007: no it is "set -xv" output from /etc/network/if-pre-up/openvswitch
13:49<hoobaman>blast007: and i cannot find a script file that is feeding|setting the var
13:49<hoobaman>blast007: it is not set in the ovs-ctl which is setting other ovs vars
13:51<blast007>when are you seeing that output? when you specifically run 'ifup ovsbr0' ?
13:52<hoobaman>journalctl -u networking
13:52<hoobaman>it works i a do a manual ifup ovsbr0 or do a post-up ovsbr0 up in /etc/networking/interfaces
13:52<hoobaman>i just wanna understand :/
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13:53<blast007>don't scripts in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ run for *all* interfaces?
13:53<blast007>if so, I'd think the check there it to make sure it doesn't run the script on interfaces that don't have an ovs_type
13:54<hoobaman>hmm good point, checking
13:57<hoobaman>i see the empty var twice, should only be once
13:57<hoobaman>and no brigde nor port in bridge is created
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13:59*mooff snap remove youtube-dl
13:59*mooff apt install youtube-dl
13:59<mooff>-bash: /snap/bin/youtube-dl: No such file or directory
13:59<mooff>what gives?
13:59<mooff>why does bash (badly) cache command paths like that?
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14:00<blast007>what does 'which youtube-dl' say?
14:00<hoobaman>thx blast007, already gives me more clues. i just dont understand why ifup is no problem, and regretly i cannot set -xv the binary ifup
14:00<hoobaman>i will do some stracing
14:00<hoobaman>its driving me nuts and i will not give up :D
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14:03<hoobaman>mooff: shopt -s checkhash
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14:04<mooff>hoobaman: says /usr/bin/youtube-dl
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14:04<mooff>i'm not blocked on it, it works in a new shell, just weird behavior
14:04<hoobaman>mooff: that sehlloption will enforce a lookup is path does not exists
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14:04<hoobaman>mooff: avoid the weird behavior
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14:05<hoobaman>avoids
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14:05*mooff mumbles it should be on by default
14:05<mooff>thanks hoobaman
14:05<fl0at>blast007: wifi works bluetooth does not
14:06<hoobaman>mooff: np, glad to be of any help
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14:06<fl0at>i think that is the bigger problem
14:06<fl0at>i can't get the service to start up
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14:30<hoobaman>blast007: needa break, but will be back :D
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15:05<Leonid>hallo some one here
15:06<petn-randall>Leonid: yes, many people.
15:06<bremner>!ask
15:06<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
15:06<Leonid>petn-randall, i whant now i istnstall debian 11
15:06<Leonid>bat have problems
15:07<Leonid>bash: sudo: command not found
15:07<petn-randall>Leonid: If you tell us about the issues, we might be able to help.
15:07<petn-randall>Leonid: If you set a root password, then sudo is not installed. You can however just install it later.
15:08<Leonid>but how to install apt give mistake
15:08<mooff>run 'su', enter your root password, then run: apt install sudo
15:09<Leonid>E: Unable to locate package sudo
15:09<mooff>apt update
15:09<mooff>then apt install sudo
15:09<Leonid>E: Unable to locate package sudo
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15:09<petn-randall>Leonid: Did it give you an error on `apt update`?
15:10<Leonid>All packages are up to date.
15:10<Leonid>root@FrommHell:~#
15:10<grove>!bat
15:10<dpkg>[Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
15:10<petn-randall>Leonid: Can you share the output of `apt-cache policy` with us via https://paste.debian.net?
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15:11<Leonid>what can be problemm
15:11<Leonid>apt install irssi same problem
15:11<Leonid>any what i whant install problemm
15:11<petn-randall>Leonid: See my question above.
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15:12<Leonid>apt update no error
15:12<Leonid>upgrade to
15:12<petn-randall>The question is: Can you share the output of `apt-cache policy` with us via https://paste.debian.net?
15:13<mooff>^ that will help determine what's going wrong
15:13<grove>Do as you have been told and share the *complete* output of the commands
15:13<mooff>eat your vegetables!
15:13<Leonid>where and how can i see it
15:14<mooff>run: apt-cache policy
15:14<Leonid>debian 10 no problem was
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15:14<Leonid>Package files:
15:14<Leonid> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
15:14<Leonid> release a=now
15:14<Leonid> 500 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security/main amd64 Packages
15:14<Leonid> release v=11,o=Debian,a=stable-security,n=bullseye-security,l=Debian-Security,c=main,b=amd64
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15:14<mooff>:P
15:15*petn-randall facepalms.
15:15<grove>(Eating vegetables probably won't help with the apt errors, but it might increase the ability to *read* and *follow instructions* (like *use a pastebin*)
15:15<mooff>amen
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15:16<grove>(Hmm, he was killed for not doing it before I pressed enter on the message telling him to)
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15:16<Leonid>https://paste.debian.net/1212746/
15:16<Leonid>sorry for flood
15:16<grove>(Eating vegetables probably won't help with the apt errors, but it might increase the ability to *read* and *follow instructions* - like *use a pastebin*)
15:17<petn-randall>Leonid: welcome back :)
15:17<Leonid>:)
15:17<Leonid>thanks
15:17<Leonid>i forgot about pastebin :)
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15:18<mooff>your /etc/apt/sources.list file is incomplete. it only lists bullseye-security, which only contains security updates
15:18<grove>If that is the complete output of `apt-cache policy` your problem is that you only have security sources
15:18<mooff>did you upgrade from 10 or do a fresh install?
15:18<mooff>did you edit sources.list by hand?
15:19<Leonid>no i free install
15:19<Leonid>i try update many mistakes, and i try to install new
15:20<grove>Does dpkg have a factoid with some simple good sources for bullsys?
15:20<petn-randall>!sources.list
15:20<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Bullseye" has three lines: "deb https://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main" "deb https://deb.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main" "deb https://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <bullseye-updates> and `man sources.list`.
15:20<Leonid>mooff maby i install not that for usb
15:20<grove>Thanks petn-randall (I knew it, just couldn't remember what that factoid was called)
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15:21<Leonid>i install debian-11.0.0-amd64-DVD-1
15:21<mooff>Leonid: do you remember any errors during install?
15:21<Leonid>maby i must install debian-11.0.0-amd64-netinst
15:21<mooff>the DVD should be good
15:22<Leonid>what a problem i have ?
15:22<mooff>for some reason, /etc/apt/sources.list is incomplete
15:22<mooff>either something went wrong during install, or you modified it later?
15:23<grove>Such a basic problem would have been found, so I don't believe the DVD will do this without throwing errors.
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15:23<mooff>yeah, i suspect an incomplete install
15:23<Leonid>https://paste.debian.net/1212749/
15:23<Leonid>this onw i have
15:23<Leonid>maby better install debian-11.0.0-amd64-netinst ?
15:24<grove>Could That looks like what I would expect from that policy output
15:24<grove>Try adding the two other sources dpkg mentioned
15:24<mooff>Leonid: do you have a working GUI / desktop?
15:25<Leonid>only termninal
15:26<mooff>is that what you wanted?
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15:27<Leonid>i use only termynal
15:28<mooff>alright
15:29<mooff>https://paste.debian.net/plain/1212750
15:29<mooff>replace the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list with those three lines
15:30<grove>Actually the ending to line 2 of that sources.list looks a bit strange, but line 6 actually says what was done
15:30<grove>(or rather not done)
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15:52<alexandro>How run each program with user of program withou access to my files?
15:53<mooff>good question
15:53<fl0at>flatpak/firejail
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15:55<fl0at>think of flatpak like an alternative to apt, like a different package manager. applications you install via flatpak include all their dependencies and libraries in the one package itself. the programs do not share anything, they are all stand alone. flatpak also allows you to set per application parameters that restrict access and functionality.
15:56<fl0at>sometimes you will find that a program you want is not available with flatpak, or maybe you just don't want to use flatpak. your next best bet would be firejail or something of the sorts. its not perfect but look for some firejail beginner tutorials and you can start sandboxing any application
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15:57<scorpion2185[m]>Now that I think about it I won the buster bet, didn't I? what's the prize?
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16:02<sussudio>!win scorpion2185[m]
16:02<dpkg>Congratulations, scorpion2185[m]! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
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16:03<Knorrie>now we all want to know who got the first prize
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16:04<scorpion2185[m]>I also won Jessie bet right?
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16:05<alexandro>Photos?
16:06<alexandro>How to ensure that Flatpak will not have access to /home/, /mnt/ and /var/www/html/?
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16:07<alexandro>DELETE Photos?
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16:08<fl0at>alexandro: Not to be rude, but I can't walk you through this because I don't know off the top of my head. Check out flatseal its a GUI to manage permissions and access. Read it's manual and check out flatpak's irc channel
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16:10<jkc>alexandro: What exactly is the question, here? The application has access to whatever the user who ran it has access to, and is denied access to whatever the user who ran it is denied access to.
16:10<fl0at>alexandro: just remember that not everything is available as a flatpak. but I don't think anything in the debian repos is going to delete any photos or provide malicious access to those directories. especially if you are using stable repos.
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16:19<Sqrt{not}>alexandro, If you run the program as your user, that program has access to whatever files your user has access to. Make a new user, that does not have access to your secret files, and run the programs as that new user.
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16:31<alexandro>sudo su USER && echo "How do I complete after '&& ' to run a program as USER?"
16:32<Sqrt{not}>alexandro, first, never do "sudo su"
16:33<alexandro>Why?
16:33<Sqrt{not}>alexandro, you can "su - otheruser" and become that other user, or you can just login as that other user, after logout.
16:33<Sqrt{not}>%sudo su
16:33<dselect>Typing "sudo su" is like typing "cat file | cat". If you want a non-login shell as root, just use "sudo -s". If you want a login shell, "sudo -i". There's no need to run two different superuser-elevation programs chained back to back. See also <buster su>
16:35<alexandro>`su -- user && echo "How do I complete after '&& ' to run a program as USER?"
16:36<Sqrt{not}>no, only one '-' not '--'
16:37<Sqrt{not}>and if I was doing it, I wouldn't try to do a one-liner, I would just login as that other user, maybe in a terminal of its own.
16:39<Habbie>su -c allows you to pass a command
16:40<Habbie>you can't use && like that - it will execute after su returns from the other user
16:40<Habbie>sudo also takes a command argument depending on flags
16:40<Guest6877>you could use a heredoc and pipe something in over stdin
16:40<Guest6877>cat < EOF | sudo -i
16:40<Guest6877>er
16:41<Guest6877>cat << EOF | sudo -i
16:41<Guest6877># everything will run in root
16:41<Guest6877>EOF
16:41<Habbie>yep, that works
16:41<Habbie>sudo -i << EOF
16:41<Sqrt{not}>yes, but running as root totally defeats alexandro's purpose of hiding his secret files from the process
16:41<Habbie>id
16:41<Habbie>EOF
16:41<Habbie>oh, i totally missed any discussion of purpose, sorry
16:41<Sqrt{not}>if you become root, it can read ALL files
16:42<Habbie>oh flatpak
16:42<Habbie>then i have nothing to offer
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16:45<Sqrt{not}>a simple example might be "su -c 'whoami' otheruser"
16:45<Guest6877>cat << EOF | sudo -u foo
16:45<Guest6877>whoami
16:45<Guest6877>EOF
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16:49<Guest6877>that works if you modify it slightly
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16:50<Guest6877>cat << EOF | sudo -s -u somebody
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16:51<Guest6877># something shell command to run as somebody
16:51<Guest6877>EOF
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16:55<alexandro_>How to put headers in the output of the `ls` command?
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17:03<sussudio>headers?
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17:07<sarnold>alexandro_: afaik ls doesn't have this functionality built-in. I've seen people write their own ls shell scripts that just has an "echo mode link owner group size timestamp name" at the top..
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17:08<sarnold>alexandro_: or you could try exa, some screenshots here https://github.com/ogham/exa
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17:45<noname>I have strange traffic on wireshark tcp.port == 9150 and tcp.port == 9050 on localhost while connecting to sshd of vm in qemu virtual network on less used bullseye setup. Is there any reason for this?
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17:48<dvs>noname, tor connection?
17:48<noname>not running
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17:51<noname>dvs, the connection isn't successfull. It's existent in 2 xfce4 virtual machines. 814 installed packages only. No third party binaries, sources
17:54<noname>Installation with "apt no recommends" on new hardware, even new router. I never run unchecked source code from myself on these machines
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17:58<sney>noname: 'ss -tnp|grep 9050' return anything?
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18:02<noname>sney, no nothing. That happens on qemu guest machines while ssh or scp on these. Even with: watch -n 0 -d 'lsof -n -itcp:9150' ; I don't get the path of the binary which connects
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18:03<noname>but it's in wireshark
18:06<sney>well, that's typically a port used for a socks proxy (incl. tor), so maybe your vm has an ip address previously used for a proxy with something you forgot about, and that other device is still trying to connect
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18:11<noname>mmmh... can't remember such thing. Ip address is localhost. "apt-get reinstall openssh-server" doesn't fix this. I will check .bashrc / sshrc.
18:11<noname>Maybe I don't understand
18:11<ansgar>noname: gnupg has 90gpg-agent which is run on login which for some reason connects to localhost:9050 (opportunistic use of Tor; I don't think that is a good idea and what happens there really shouldn't try to speak to the network)
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18:12<noname>Thank you! Made my day. :) I fear a infected system again.
18:12<noname>Will recheck this
18:12<ansgar>noname: gpg also has #define TOR_PORT2 9150 so I guess that is also gpg's dirmngt.
18:13<sney>hmm, good to know. thanks gnupg
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18:42<don>I'm stuck on Buster and cannot upgrade to Bullseye. I get the error "Unable to download updates: The following packages have unmet dependencies:" however, there are no packages listed and the only update showing is OS Updates
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18:42<sney>are you the same person from yesterday with the libc issue on 32-bit?
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18:43<don>No. This is my first attempt to reach out
18:43<sney>ok. please pastebin apt's full output from your attempt to upgrade.
18:43<don>I tried Synaptic and it doesn't work either
18:43<sney>!termbin
18:43<dpkg>you can paste to termbin.com from terminal with redirections: try 'nc termbin.com 9999 < /path/to/file', or 'command | nc termbin.com 9999'
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18:44<don>does apt generate the file automatically? I'm unfamiliar
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18:44<sney>no, just run the e.g. 'apt upgrade' command and copy the text to a pastebin, or use termbin as the bot said above
18:45<don>ok. hold on
18:46<noname>don, do you tried to run "apt-get -f install"?
18:47<don>No
18:47<noname>not sure if it's usefull
18:47<don>The second command gave "WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts."
18:47<don>Then hung
18:47<sney>just wait a second, it's outputting all of the text to the network
18:48<don>OK
18:48<sney>'apt -f install' can sometimes help or sometimes do nothing, it's still best to see what the problem is first :)
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18:53<don>hit [Enter] and got this: "Exception ignored in: <_io.TextIOWrapper name='<stdout>' mode='w' encoding='UTF-8'>
18:53<don>BrokenPipeError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe
18:53<don>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/apt-listchanges --apt || test $? -lt 10 returned an error code (1)
18:53<don>E: Failure running script /usr/bin/apt-listchanges --apt || test $? -lt 10
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18:54<sney>ah, listchanges was holding things up
18:54<sney>if you can copy/paste you can just do that with a regular pastebin, like paste.debian.net
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18:56<don>When I redirect output it seems to hang. Isn't there a Y/n I need to respond to in there?
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18:58<sarnold>might as well just run it and then copy-and-paste it manually, if it's going to be difficult about it
18:58<don>kk
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19:01<don>OK, it's up
19:01<don>*uploaded to pastebin
19:01<sarnold>what's the url?
19:02<don>https://paste.debian.net/1212775/
19:02<noname>expected "top secret" for url :P
19:02<don>Huh?
19:03<sney>ok, that's fine, where was the issue?
19:03<sney>I would say to make sure you disable your 3rd party repos during the upgrade to bullseye
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19:03<don>Software updates is still giving the "Unmet dependencies" error. I'm trying to get Bullseye installed.
19:04<sney>ignore the software gui for now, they don't handle release upgrades well.
19:04<don>I've run clean and autoremove
19:04<sney>dpkg: buster->bullseye
19:04<dpkg>Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of <release notes> https://deb.li/39cyD . TL;DR: In /etc/apt/sources.list change "buster" to "bullseye", fix the line for security updates (see <bullseye-security>), remove stable-specific lines like buster-backports. apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> cause problems with upgrades. If working over ssh, upgrade ssh first, see <bullseye ssh upgrade>.
19:04<don>still no joy
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19:04<sney>follow dpkg's instructions here ^, and if it fails, let us know exactly where and provide a paste
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19:06<nerdistmonk>anyone know an elegant way to calculate checksums for files/directories/sub-directories? I need a way to keep all the calculated sums in a single file and have a way to update the sums as data gets altered.
19:08<danielssan>nerdistmonk: why not using an advanced fs like zfs or btrfs?
19:08<danielssan>would make it way easier
19:08<nerdistmonk>@danielssan i need to maintain compatibility with other OSes
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19:09<danielssan>aka windows? or mac?
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19:09<nerdistmonk>Windows mostly, but im prone to using various OSes so i try to keep the 30TB disk array i have on a neutral file system that most systems can easily access.
19:10<nerdistmonk>I was using ReFS on windows server but much like ZFS its about as portable as a 3 ton safe.
19:10<danielssan>hm zfs covers linux, mac, and they try to get windows running
19:10<danielssan>ahh forgot (Free)bsd
19:11<nerdistmonk>the windows drivers are awful at the moment.
19:11<danielssan>hm, wouldn't it be still sharable with samba?
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19:11<danielssan>or do you mean on that server?
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19:12<nerdistmonk>I need to be able to know if this data is degrading in anyway, ZFS on windows is so unstable that i may as well go ahead and just wipe the entire array out before it does it for me.
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19:12<TobiX>nerdistmonk: Well, there is https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/wsl2-mount-disk, but it's an awful idea and painfully slow ;)
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19:12<nerdistmonk>NTFS + MD5 checksums are the most plain, compatible way to check a file's integrity, but i come back to Linux only to see there is no friendly way to deal with this.
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19:13<danielssan>eh i mean you can still go with ntfs, especially now where we got a good ntfs driver finally
19:13<danielssan>(also tools)
19:14<sney>there might be an elegant way to do it, but people on irc are mostly equipped to find quick and dirty solutions instead
19:14<nerdistmonk>I think its pretty sad that there isn't a program similar to 'md5checker' on windows, left me gobsmacked when i couldn't find -anything- similar to it.
19:14<noname>nerdistmonk, find ./ -type f -exec sha512sum {} + >> sha512.sums
19:15<sney>my first impulse was something like what noname is suggesting here, in cron, but it's not really 'elegant'
19:15<noname>or try this script: https://github.com/mruffalo/hash-db
19:15<sney>there probably is a tool out there somewhere though.
19:15<nerdistmonk>noname's suggestion isn't any good because it has no means for you to 'update' the file
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19:16<noname>works well. Had no time to recheck and commit extended version.
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19:17<nerdistmonk>also why sha512? md5 is far faster and is already overkill for simple file integrity checks.
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19:18<TobiX>nerdistmonk: Maybe take a look at https://git-annex.branchable.com/ - but that might not be everybodys cup of tea...
19:19<don>I've copied sources.list out of /etc/apt and changed all references from buster to bullseye. But, system won't allow copy back even if renamed.
19:19<danielssan>don: sudo/root rights?
19:20<don>sudo cp?
19:20<danielssan>don: yes
19:21<don>Ah, yes. Thanks. *facepalm*
19:21<sney>for a bunch of system administration, root commands in a row, you can pretty much 'sudo -i' and then ctrl-d once it's all finished, rather than running sudo a bunch of times in a row
19:22<don>New pastebin: https://paste.debian.net/1212777/
19:23<don>*thanks, sney
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19:23<sney>don: you should remove your slack/teamviewer/brave etc repos for now, you can add them back once the upgrade is done
19:24<sney>for security.debian.org, it's now bullseye-security rather than bullseye/updates.
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19:26<noname>don try: sed -i "s|bullseye/updates|bullseye-security|g" /etc/apt/sources.list
19:26<noname>to replace sources.list layout for bullseye
19:27<sney>* if you haven't already updated it with an editor
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19:28<don>Rerunning software updates
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19:29<don>*noname, I've already edited
19:29<don>waiting for "Checking..." to complete
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19:30<sney>don: again, your software gui is not ideal for doing release upgrades, you should be using apt from the terminal
19:31<don>I can do that. Do you want me to cancel software updater?
19:31<sney>wait for it to finish updating the cache I guess, and then close it
19:31<don>kk
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19:32<don>bio while I'm waiting. BRB
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19:37<don>Taking quite a while.
19:38<sney>there's a lot to update
19:38<sney>depending on that gui's defaults, it could be downloading packages too.
19:39<don>kk. Continuing to wait
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19:44<noname>Maybe change your http sources.list entries to https if possible. I would recommend doing this.
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19:46<danielssan>and what advantage is there? i mean people still know that you connect to the debian servers
19:47<sney>there is no effective difference between using http and https for debian sources
19:47<noname>prevent mitm with cloned repo and outdated but signed software. I would target a browser which not https only.
19:47<sarnold>the advantage of https is that you may bypass ISP "muddleware" caching proxies that some horrible ISPs still use
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19:47<gloin>Anyone happen to know offhand what time of day #debian-mirrors has active users?
19:47<sarnold>I see someone every year who has such a horrible ISP and has no idea why their apt fails all the time
19:48<sney>right, https might mitigate deb.debian.org cdn issues in some cases, but it's pretty irrelevant for troubleshooting a release upgrade
19:48<sney>it's best to avoid getting distracted when helping people. :)
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19:48<don>Done. i'm being prompted to restart. Woohoo!
19:48<sarnold>yes
19:49<sarnold>woot
19:49<don>BRB
19:49<sarnold>did you wind up removing anything that looked important?
19:50<gloin>Eh, maybe somebody here has seen this - using ftpsync and specifying stage2, I'm still seeing the rsync excludes for stage1 even though the log specifically says it's running stage2
19:50<don>Uh-oh... "unable to update "9null)" GDBus.Error.GTK.GDBus.UnmappedGError.Quark
19:50<sney>gloin: daytime during the workweek in western europe is usually safe for most dev channels, but a lot of those channels are generally quiet anyway
19:50<gloin>sney: thanks
19:51<sney>don: gtk errors are nearly impossible to troubleshoot, if you haven't rebooted yet you may as well open a terminal and try the update/upgrade commands to make sure everything is finishing clean
19:52<don>OK
19:53<don>update: 2820 packages can be upgraded. Upgrade now
19:54<sney>ok, so it wasn't finished at all. thanks, gnome software
19:54<sney>so now do your apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade, and *then* reboot if everything looks clean.
19:54<don>"Could not get lock" and "Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock". Rebooting
19:54<sney>it needs to be done as root, again
19:54<don>ok
19:54<don>before I reboot
19:55<don>?
19:55<sney>yes. sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt full-upgrade.
19:55<sney>and watch the output for errors. and reboot once it's finished, if there are none.
19:55<don>same lock error
19:56<sney>ugh it's probably gnome-software keeping it locked
19:56<noname>sney, does full-upgrade replace dist-upgrade?
19:56<sney>I'm not a gnome user, is there a right click menu to quit the software gui somewhere?
19:56<sney>noname: yes they are aliases for the same thing
19:58<noname>never heard about full-upgrade before. Nice to know
19:58<sney>it was introduced with aptitude about 10 years ago, to reduce confusion since 'dist-upgrade' is not only done when upgrading releases
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19:58<don>I've removed Slack and Brave
19:59<sarnold>was that before or after apt upgrade was made more useful than apt-get upgrade? :)
19:59<don>Can't find TeamViewer in software list
19:59<don>I thought I'd removed it a long time ago...
19:59<sney>don: it's only important to remove the teamviewer entry from sources.list. the application doesn't matter
20:00<sney>it's just so apt doesn't get confused
20:00<don>alright. OK to reboot now?
20:00<don>sources list?
20:00<sney>reboot after the upgrade is finished. you just said there were 2820 packages to upgrade, did you really upgrade all of them already?
20:01<don>No. The upgrade errored with unable to lock message
20:01<don>I'm not seeing TeamViewer in sources.list
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20:01<sarnold>I wouldn't upgrade until that 2820 pile is upgraded
20:01<sney>ok. so quit the software gui completely to remove the lock
20:01<sney>the teamviewer entry may be a separate file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
20:01<sney>if it is you can just delete the file
20:02<don>Ah, yes. Just delete the .list file?
20:02<sney>yep
20:04<don>done. update/upgrade again? or reboot?
20:04*sney takes away don's reboot button
20:04<don>*Hahaha!
20:04<sney>we're staying here until the upgrade is done
20:04<don>kk ;_)
20:05<sney>when apt says "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.", THEN you can reboot.
20:05<don>An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated
20:05<sney>which one.
20:06<don>That's for Brave. Deleting the .list file
20:08<don>Update is good. Upgrade is running...
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20:11<coruja>*drumroll*
20:11<sney>it's >2k packages, it'll probably be a while even on a fast connection
20:11<wuniu>will system fail to boot if i umount and move /boot/efi to another part of the disk?
20:12<raven523>wuniu: if that changes the EFI System Partition's partition UUID then maybe
20:14<wuniu>so how can i move an installed debian to LVM logical volume entirely?
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20:15<raven523>you cannot move the ESP to LVM
20:15<danielssan>wuniu: you still can, but you can't move the efi partition on lvm
20:15<raven523>but you can move everything else
20:15<don>need to manually stop xscreensaver. what's the cli interface for that?
20:16<don>*scratches head* I need to make an alias for that thing...
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20:18<wuniu>that means i have to do it in tty with root user?
20:19<don>terminal interface with CPU/mem/PIDs ???
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20:19<sney>xscreensaver-command has a quit command, or something like that
20:19<danielssan>wuniu: you can still do it in a gui (in a terminal emulator) but you would need a live OS
20:20<sney>don: 'top' but try quitting the screensaver process normally first, it might restart itself.
20:21<don>How to do it "normally"?
20:22<don>isn't kill process the usual way?
20:22<wuniu>so i just need a usb live os? i will try it. good luck to me
20:22<coruja>don: xscreensaver-command -exit
20:23<sney>^ this, if it's actually xscreensaver
20:23<wuniu>danielssan: thanks bro
20:23<don>Aha! continuing
20:23<danielssan>wuniu: good luck :) come back if you got problems
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20:31<wuniu>last question, is swap able to be moved to LVM?
20:31<raven523>yes
20:31<wuniu>ok, sure. thank you.
20:32<noname>If it's much ram available theres no reason for swap (on hard drive)
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20:44<somiaj>there can still be argument why swap is needed if you have more than enough RAM
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20:44<somiaj>hibernate is one, and some think it is a safety if a program eats up your ram, the swap time may give you time to recover, though oom killer does a fiarly good job
20:44<abrotman>I didn't have swap on this laptop, and it exposed an issue where a runaway daemon would consume tons of RAM .. and then the OOM would lash out and take my first born
20:44<abrotman>OOM Killer
20:45<sney>linux likes having somewhere to put swap, even if it's also in memory (zram/zswap)
20:45<abrotman>note, you can use a swap file instead of a partition
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20:49<don>@sney 51%
20:49<sney>sounds like it's going smoothly
20:49<don>:D
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20:55<danielssan>is there an easy way on the bugtracker to only see bullseye bugs? because when I filter for stable, it shows me still bugs from 2008 etc
20:56<sney>you can filter by bullseye instead of stable
20:56<sney>you'll still get old open bugs if they were never fixed
20:58<danielssan>huh where? i assume you mean in the misc options category?
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20:59<sney>I usually just edit the url directly
21:00<danielssan>ahh, so you mean dist=bullseye?
21:01<sney>yes
21:01<don>Finished. There are a bunch of missing firmware, but I don't see any errors. Check https://paste.debian.net/1212782/
21:02<danielssan>kk damn, doesn't help really, as the package has over 150 bug reports. oh well, but seems like I can't find anything about my bug
21:02<sney>don: yep that's good, now apt full-upgrade
21:02<don>kk
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21:20<Corin>Having trouble installing grub on my system when I tried to fresh install Bullseye. Previously had Buster installed and it worked, but I'd had to change the Secure Boot/UEFI settings for it to install.
21:21<Corin>Not sure why it's not working now. Can't even reinstall Buster on the system.
21:21<Corin>(I mean, can't reinstall grub on the Buster install medium)
21:21<danielssan>what error do you get Corin
21:22<don>@sney 20%
21:23<Corin>Oh, I should've copied it down, but it's the uh...unable to install GRUB in dummy error, I think?
21:23<Corin>For Buster, it's an error installing to /target.
21:23<Corin>So, doesn't even get that far.
21:23<sney>don: I don't need a play by play, just let me know once it finishes or if there are any errors.
21:24<danielssan>Corin: hm would really have been better if we can get the exact error.
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21:28<don>kk
21:31<Corin>dandersson: Oh, that actually is the exact error. unable to install GRUB in dummy.
21:33<danielssan>Corin: did you try to chroot into the installed system and reinstall grub?
21:34<Corin>No. I'm not experienced in doing that.
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21:35<danielssan>do you know how to chroot into a system? Corin
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21:37<Corin>I haven't specifically ever done that.
21:38<Corin>Do I just use chroot from a live CD or something?
21:39<danielssan>ahh, basically you mount your disks into the same structure as it would be when installed (but in a subdirectory of the live OS) and then add a few pseudo filesystem mountpoints, and then chroot into it, and then you can grub-install
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21:40<danielssan>so basically you mount your installed / to /mnt, add /boot to /mnt/boot and then /boot/efi to /mnt/boot/efi etc
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21:40<Corin>Is there a guide for that? lol
21:41<sney>the bot has instructions for using it to fix your bootloader,
21:41<sney>dpkg: fixmbr
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21:41<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
21:41<sney>short form, but all the steps are there
21:41<danielssan>ahh i didn't know there was an entry
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21:44<Corin>It'd be /dev/nvme0n/target for an nvme, right?
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21:44<Corin>nvme0n1? nvme0? hm... lol
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21:44<danielssan> it would be mount /dev/nvme0n1
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21:45<danielssan>and then probably p2 or something
21:45<danielssan>depends on your partition layout
21:46<danielssan>ahh better explained /dev/nvme0n1pX
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21:48<Corin>I feel like I'm gonna mess up the syntax somewhere here... so target gets replaced wherever it is???
21:48<danielssan> /target is just a directory where you mount the partition, it can be anywhere (but you normally choose an empty directory)
21:48<aloo_shu>/target is a separate argument
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21:50<alexandro>Where is the file with user passwords?
21:51<aloo_shu>Corin: all the commands separated by semicolon can be executed one by one
21:51<danielssan>alexandro: /etc/shadow
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21:53<Corin>aloo_shu: Yes, I do get that. I'm just making sure where I run the exact command and where I'm supposed to replace it with something system specific.
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21:55<aloo_shu>Corin: if you just type mount -t ext4 /dev/nvm , and then hit the tab key 2 times, you'll see the possible completions. You could take the most probable one by continuing typing, then space, /target . after that, you could do ls /target and check if it looks like the right one . if not, umount /target, and try mount with another one
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21:56<Corin>Ah, ok.
21:56<alexandro>What is the header of /etc/shadow?
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21:58<aloo_shu>Corin: if you got the first step right, ls /target should show a typical linux directory set, like /boot /bin /etc /lib /sbin /usr /var or similar
21:58<don>@sney, completed. Still have the "missing firmware" message. But, otherwise, seems OK
21:58<danielssan>alexandro: none
21:59<sney>don't worry about missing i915 firmware unless you find video features are actually missing. it's just a warning.
21:59<sney>that sounds like safe to reboot
21:59<don>OK. BRB
21:59<alexandro>danielssan: Shall we write one?
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21:59<danielssan>alexandro: did you delete your shadow file oO?
22:03<aloo_shu>Corin: once you're there, you can do the other mount commands one by one, then the chroot command, after that you might need help again
22:03<alexandro>danielssan: I smile.
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22:05<danielssan>alexandro: oof, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/81240/manually-generate-password-for-etc-shadow to get at least a user password generated (as long as you have root permissions)
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22:07<don>@sney, I have bullseye!
22:07<alexandro>danielssan: that would be a fun one :)
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22:08<danielssan>alexandro: as long as you have a live usb or the like, everything is fixable
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22:08<sney>!win don
22:08<dpkg>Congratulations, don! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
22:08<don>How do I turn off this damn screen reader?!?!?
22:08<sney>the reverse of however you turned it on
22:08<don>It's default on the new install
22:09<sney>it's not, you must have accidentally done something
22:10<don>I used to have to close some sort of assistant in Deb 10. This must be the new version. But, I closed this thing and it's still yelling at me!
22:10<sney>google says there is an alt-super-S shortcut in gnome, super is usually the windows keyt
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22:12<don>Thanks, That turned the screen reader off. Is there an "autoexec.bat" type file in Debian where things like that get started from?
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22:13<coelho>Hello World
22:13<somiaj>there are lots of different layers in which applications are started after boot
22:13<coelho>miss u guys <3
22:13<somiaj>and some things run via triggers, vs a start file
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22:14<alexandro>What does each column of /etc/shadow mean?
22:15<sney>the man page for shadow(5) describes them
22:16<don>Screenreader isn't listed as installed in Software. Unless it's called something else.
22:17<sney>it's just a gnome component most likely, it might not be removable, but disabling it will likely keep it disabled
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22:18<don>Alright. I'll reboot and see. Otherwise, i'll just turn it off each time.
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22:19<sney>ah, apparently it's packaged as 'orca' but you wouldn't be able to remove it without also removing some gnome components
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22:20<don>Alright. Thank you so very much for your help this evening!
22:21<sney>np
22:21<don>1,000 points for Grifindor!
22:21<don>Cheers
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22:23<alex11>joke's on him, everyone's in slytherin
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22:46<alexandro>how do i change the permission default for creating files?
22:46<dvs>umask it!
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22:48<alexandro>I only want +rw only for the user who creates, how do I do it?
22:49<sney>!umask example
22:49<dpkg>somebody said umask example was a umask of 0022 would mean that files would be created with 644 permissions by default, and directories with 755. help umask; or man 2 umask and info coreutils 'File Permission'; for further details. (You may have to install manpages-dev if you don't have the umask manpage)
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22:52<m0neyman>Hello
22:52<m0neyman>I have a problem with paths
22:52<dvs>build a road!
22:52<m0neyman>I have to type the exactly path e.g.
22:52<m0neyman># iptabels
22:52<m0neyman>bash: iptabels: command not found
22:53<sney>!buster su
22:53<dpkg>Starting with buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details.
22:53<dvs>sounds like buster su
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22:53<m0neyman>But it works
22:53<m0neyman># /sbin/iptables
22:53<m0neyman>iptables v1.8.7 (nf_tables): no command specified
22:53<sney>yes, read dpkg's message above
22:53<m0neyman>Yeah I see that
22:53<m0neyman>Thank you
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22:57<m0neyman>dvs: what iptables or rather nftables rules should have a debian desktop system?
22:58<m0neyman>what are the project recommandations?
22:58<sney>depends on your threat model
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22:58<sney>a personal desktop on a home network will not really benefit from a host firewall at all. a system with a public facing ip that is hosting services would be different.
22:59<m0neyman>I know that
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23:00<m0neyman>But I'm asking for a recommended config for a host behind the NAT
23:00<sney>then be specific with your questions so you can get useful answers :)
23:00<sney>the recommended config for a host behind nat is no host firewall, as default
23:00<m0neyman>Why?
23:01<sney>what do you think you would be firewalling against, on your 192.168.0.0/24 nat'd network?
23:01<sney>if you have specific answers to that, then design some rules based on that environment
23:01<m0neyman>I think that will prevent from doing e.g. OS fingerprinting from the ISP side
23:01<sney>don't just enable a firewall "because security" without knowing what you are protecting against
23:01<m0neyman>I know exactly what a firewall does
23:02<sney>your questions suggest otherwise
23:02<m0neyman>Look at e.g. a firewall in Tails
23:02<m0neyman>It's a good example of how a firewall should look like
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23:03<sney>if you already know the perfect answers, then don't ask for suggestions ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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23:04<m0neyman>Uhm, I don't know the perfect answear for that, I typed that the firewall in tails is a good example of how a good firewall should look like
23:05<m0neyman>It's only an example you can tune it yourself
23:05<sney>then copy their example if you want
23:05<m0neyman>Yeah I will
23:05<m0neyman>Should we still use grsec?
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23:06<sney>I don't feel like being a 🦆 anymore so, sure, whatever you already do
23:07<m0neyman>a questionmark anymore xD
23:07<m0neyman>Ok, feel free to say so
23:07<dvs>i wanna new duck
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