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| 00:05 | <alexandro> | What is the name of the password algorithm for /etc/shadow? |
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| 00:10 | <themill> | alexandro: for bullseye, it is "yescrypt" https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#pam-default-password |
| 00:11 | <alexandro> | What is the official yescrypt repository? |
| 00:11 | <themill> | did you look at that url? |
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| 00:16 | <alexandro> | Where is the yescrypt algorithm inside the system? |
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| 00:18 | <sney> | it's part of pam, it would be in pam_unix.so going by the release notes themill linked earlier |
| 00:21 | <themill> | src:libxcrypt for the actual code; pam just gets taught how to assemble the pieces and the policies |
| 00:24 | <sney> | oh yeah, that makes more sense. |
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| 00:33 | <alexandro> | Where is libxcrypt? |
| 00:34 | <sney> | !search |
| 00:34 | <dpkg> | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <axi-search> <debtags> <dlocate>. |
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| 00:38 | <alexandro> | Are libcrypt1 and libxcrypt the same? |
| 00:40 | <sney> | do 'apt show libcrypt1' and look at the Source field. or go to tracker.debian.org/libxcrypt and look at the binary packages |
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| 01:54 | <trevorksmith> | Anyone a expert of GPU passthrough to VM? |
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| 01:54 | <trevorksmith> | Ive got 1 of 2 to work, i remember months agao i had to put the computer in suspend and then bring it back out before starting VM to get the GPU in right powermode or something |
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| 03:01 | <Corin> | So... from a live install, trying to repair the MBR. Was here earlier. I can't even get past the first step (`mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target`). Says mount point does not exist. Tried every possible partition. |
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| 03:13 | <tomg> | Corin, if /target doesn't exist you can make it with mkdir |
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| 03:13 | <Corin> | Which partition do I make it on? |
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| 03:14 | <tomg> | on the ramdisk probably |
| 03:14 | <tomg> | !fixmbr |
| 03:14 | <dpkg> | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 03:15 | <Corin> | I've already seen that command's text. |
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| 03:32 | <tomg> | okay, are you still asking a question? |
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| 03:32 | <Corin> | Yeah... |
| 03:33 | <Corin> | I don't know what partition I'm supposed to try to mount. |
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| 03:35 | <tomg> | usually the only one that works |
| 03:35 | <tomg> | try /dev/sda2 first |
| 03:35 | <Corin> | None of them work. |
| 03:35 | <Corin> | I tried /dev/nvme0n1p1 first. |
| 03:35 | <Corin> | I mean, p2. Sorry. |
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| 03:39 | <tomg> | what error message are you getting? |
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| 03:46 | <Corin> | Was saying "mount point does not exist" and then when I tried to mkdir, it said it already existed, but then I tried mounting it again just now and it worked, so... |
| 03:49 | <Corin> | Wait, what does "run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI" mean? |
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| 03:52 | <Corin> | Nvm. Doesn't matter. It worked. Boots normally. Thanks. lol |
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| 04:20 | <bolnav[m]> | Hi, where to find an RSS feed for bullseye's firefox-esr updates? |
| 04:24 | <coruja> | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/firefox-esr/rss (though not for bullseye only) |
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| 05:03 | <umlaeute> | is there a way to pin a repository "repoB", so that 'apt upgrade' would re-install packages from repoB even though the same version can be found in repoA? |
| 05:05 | <umlaeute> | i think there ought to be a way, since if i install a local package (with `dpkg -i`) and a same-version package can be found in the archives, apt suggests to upgrade to the version from the archives |
| 05:07 | <coruja> | you want to read about apt preferences, e.g. https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/apt/apt_preferences.5.en.html |
| 05:09 | <umlaeute> | i did (at least the explanation about pinning priorities), but i don't seem to be able to full understand them. |
| 05:10 | <umlaeute> | i can't really downgrade the priority of repoA... |
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| 05:10 | <Cork> | debian used to have a netinst mini iso that where ~48mb don't they exist anymore? i can't find them anywhere |
| 05:11 | <umlaeute> | oh, and my repoB has a custom codename/suite (so i assume it does not match the "same target release") |
| 05:11 | <coruja> | Cork: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ |
| 05:12 | <coruja> | umlaeute: maybe pinning by origin could help |
| 05:12 | <Cork> | coruja: ah in the installer folder, thx! |
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| 05:13 | <umlaeute> | my package already has a priority of "1990", and it still doesn't suggest an automatic "upgrade" to the same version from the new repo |
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| 05:17 | <umlaeute> | (the version from repoA has the default priority 500) |
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| 05:21 | <coruja> | paste the output of 'apt policy <package>' |
| 05:21 | <coruja> | !paste |
| 05:21 | <dpkg> | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
| 05:25 | <umlaeute> | https://paste.debian.net/1212811/ |
| 05:25 | <umlaeute> | like this. as you can see, pinning does work. |
| 05:25 | <umlaeute> | it's only "apt upgrade" doesn't 'upgrade' that package. |
| 05:26 | <coruja> | !raspbian |
| 05:26 | <dpkg> | Raspberry Pi OS (previously called Raspbian) is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.libera.chat for support. https://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 05:27 | <umlaeute> | that's besides the point |
| 05:28 | <umlaeute> | if you insist, i'm sure i can provide the same example on my pristine sid installation. |
| 05:31 | <umlaeute> | and quite obviously, my repoB is not going to be an "official" repository, otherwise: what would be the point of this exercise? (in Debian i have a guarantee that a package of a given version is the same-same, regardless of origin; so there's little merit in making sure that a package is sidegraded to another repository even if both have the same version) |
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| 05:38 | <LebedevRI> | hi. with debhelper and debian/rules, how do i know what the build dir is? i want to specify override_dh_auto_test via ctest, but it doesn't work out of the box |
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| 06:29 | <umlaeute> | LebedevRI: in general you don't, as it depends on the underlying buildsystem and how it is invoked. |
| 06:30 | <umlaeute> | if you are using 'dh' then it tries to do guesswork based on the buildsystem |
| 06:30 | <umlaeute> | if you don't use dh but roll your own invocation, then you should know where you are building ;-) |
| 06:31 | <umlaeute> | oh, and 'dh' takes a --builddirectory= argument, where you can override the default. |
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| 07:52 | <jkc> | umlaeute: It's not beside the point. Raspbian != Debian and is thus not supported in #debian. Try #raspbian on libera. |
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| 07:56 | <umlaeute> | sigh. |
| 07:56 | <umlaeute> | so i will have to reproduce the problem on my sid machine. |
| 07:57 | <umlaeute> | but before i do: since i am going to use private (non-Debian) repositories, will this actually buy me anything? |
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| 07:57 | <umlaeute> | as in: why should any problem with my private repo find support on #debian? |
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| 08:39 | <blast007> | umlaeute: in case you do try to reproduce it on sid, Debian testing/sid support is in #debian-next |
| 08:40 | <umlaeute> | thanks. |
| 08:40 | <umlaeute> | i'll probably just head over to #debian-devel |
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| 09:26 | <Leonid> | hallo need help |
| 09:27 | <bremner> | !ask |
| 09:27 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 09:27 | <Leonid> | bremner i reinstal debian and save etc and home files |
| 09:27 | <Leonid> | how must i copy it now |
| 09:28 | <Leonid> | root@fromhell:/etc# cp: 'shadow' and '/etc/shadow' are the same file |
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| 09:29 | <bremner> | show us the actual command you typed. |
| 09:30 | <Leonid> | cp shadow /etc/shadow |
| 09:31 | <Tenkawa> | Leonid: you already are in /etc |
| 09:31 | <bremner> | what is your current directory? |
| 09:31 | <Tenkawa> | root@fromhell:/etc# |
| 09:31 | <bremner> | oic |
| 09:31 | <Tenkawa> | you need to go to where you saved them to |
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| 09:32 | <Leonid> | breamer i save old files /tmp |
| 09:32 | <Tenkawa> | or cp from ie cp /src/shadow /etc/shadow *BUT BE CAREFUL* |
| 09:32 | <Tenkawa> | this can lock you out of your system |
| 09:32 | <Tenkawa> | if you exit |
| 09:33 | <Leonid> | okey /home folder how to copy that not by /home/home |
| 09:34 | <Leonid> | cp /tmp/home/ -r /home/ |
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| 09:38 | <Leonid> | Tenkawa |
| 09:40 | <Tenkawa> | my advice (and I would like bremner's input as well) |
| 09:40 | <Tenkawa> | is |
| 09:40 | <Tenkawa> | cd /home/yourid |
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| 09:40 | <Tenkawa> | cp -a /tmp/home/yourhomeid/. . |
| 09:41 | <Leonid> | cp -a /tmp/home /home ? |
| 09:41 | <Tenkawa> | chown -R yourhomeid /home/yourhomeid |
| 09:41 | <Tenkawa> | no |
| 09:41 | <Tenkawa> | that will duplicate /home/ |
| 09:41 | <Leonid> | how ? |
| 09:41 | <Tenkawa> | it will /home/home/id |
| 09:41 | <Leonid> | no |
| 09:41 | <Leonid> | i save old home |
| 09:42 | <Leonid> | need thatold users go /home |
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| 09:42 | <Tenkawa> | yeah and you are copying it to /home |
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| 09:42 | <Leonid> | yes |
| 09:42 | <Tenkawa> | if you have multiple "users" you want to go to home then do this: |
| 09:43 | <Tenkawa> | cd /tmp/home |
| 09:43 | <Leonid> | if i copy it show /home/home |
| 09:43 | <Tenkawa> | cp -a * /home/ |
| 09:43 | <Tenkawa> | then |
| 09:43 | <Tenkawa> | cd /home |
| 09:43 | <Tenkawa> | for i in * |
| 09:43 | <Tenkawa> | do |
| 09:43 | <Tenkawa> | chown -R $i |
| 09:44 | <Tenkawa> | done |
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| 09:44 | <Leonid> | ok |
| 09:44 | <Tenkawa> | after that ls -l |
| 09:44 | <Tenkawa> | and make sure they are owned by the right user |
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| 09:44 | <Leonid> | root@fromhell:/tmp/home# cp -a * /home/ |
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| 09:44 | <Leonid> | it think or not good command |
| 09:44 | <Tenkawa> | you might need to chown $i:users |
| 09:45 | <Tenkawa> | why? |
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| 09:45 | <Tenkawa> | do you even know what it does |
| 09:45 | <Tenkawa> | ? |
| 09:46 | <Leonid> | i just explain, my old users from server, thej in /tmp/home i whant to add it back |
| 09:48 | <FLD> | Tenkawa: leaving the variable unquoted makes it open to globbing and word splitting |
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| 09:51 | <Tenkawa> | FLD: he wants the whole tree… chown -R only reads stdin from the top level which would be /home/* |
| 09:51 | <Tenkawa> | if there are spaces or special chars there there are bigger problems.. |
| 09:53 | <Tenkawa> | personally I'd be using rsync but I thought that would be a much more complicated discussion topic |
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| 09:54 | <Tenkawa> | anyway you all can handle it.. I have to leave.. cheers all |
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| 09:59 | <lpetux> | hi, how to install inkscape older version like 0.92 instead of default 1.0 in bulleyes ? |
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| 10:05 | <somiaj> | lpetux: in general if you want to install a version not in debian, you'll have to compile it from source. |
| 10:05 | <somiaj> | ,v inkscape |
| 10:05 | <judd> | Package: inkscape on amd64 -- stretch: 0.92.1-1; buster: 0.92.4-3; buster-backports: 1.0.2-4~bpo10+1; bookworm: 1.0.2-4; bullseye: 1.0.2-4; sid: 1.0.2-4 |
| 10:07 | <somiaj> | lpetux: if you really know what you are doing (making sure depends are met and you aren't mixing libraries) you can try the buster version, but this isn't supported and you do need to make sure depends don't mess your system up |
| 10:07 | <somiaj> | !ssb |
| 10:07 | <dpkg> | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 10:07 | <somiaj> | lpetux: but if it was me, I would try to compile the buster source package and create myself a custom .deb that is built against the libraries in bullseye |
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| 10:07 | <somiaj> | that factoid works for any debian version, not just sid, just adjust |
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| 10:11 | <lpetux> | the bulleyes version of inkscape has a bug on the menu with the tablet (digimend). I will try to make a .deb from source of older versin of inkscape |
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| 10:16 | <lpetux> | thanks for the help. bye |
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| 10:26 | <Leonid> | E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/. |
| 10:26 | <Leonid> | what a problem? |
| 10:28 | <Leonid> | E: Archives directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial is missing. - Acquire (2: No such file or directory) |
| 10:29 | <Sqrt{not}> | Leonid, sounds like whatever filesystem includes those directories, might be full? |
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| 10:33 | <Leonid> | Sqrt{not}, what i must do |
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| 10:34 | <bremner> | !grounding |
| 10:34 | <dpkg> | Before asking in here or on the <debian-user> mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. The Debian Administrator's Handbook is also good. Ask me about <ig>, <overview>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>, <debian-handbook> (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference). |
| 10:35 | <bremner> | !unix lessons |
| 10:35 | <dpkg> | from memory, unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 10:35 | <bremner> | hmm. Was hoping for a link to tutorials. |
| 10:35 | <sussudio> | !tutorials |
| 10:35 | <dpkg> | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
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| 10:36 | * | GenTooMan grins and grimaces. |
| 10:36 | <sussudio> | shouldn't you be compiling something for no particular reason, GenTooMan |
| 10:37 | <bremner> | Leonid: try "apt autoclean" |
| 10:38 | <bremner> | dpkg: tell Leonid about fundamentals |
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| 10:40 | <Sqrt{not}> | Leonid, if that doesn't help, show us the output of this command: df /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 10:41 | <sussudio> | slashdot is just a third rate reddit now. shame. |
| 10:41 | <ansgar> | sussudio: Isn't it more like a 4chan? :) |
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| 10:42 | <sussudio> | 4chan doesn't have this many chinese bots and circlejerkers. |
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| 10:49 | <alex> | coucou |
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| 10:53 | * | GenTooMan will only complain that the upgraded pip3 in debian 11 has a dependency on keyring that invokes a kde window popup demanding the user setup a PGP key. |
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| 10:56 | <tonrod> | Can we run zoom in a docker container? Any pointers, howtos will be appreciated |
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| 11:29 | <blindvt> | hi |
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| 11:30 | <Sqrt{not}> | hi blindvt |
| 11:30 | <wuniu> | hihi, vim or emacs |
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| 11:32 | <petn-randall> | wuniu: Whatever works for you. |
| 11:33 | <blindvt> | my package has a postinst script that munges a config file (that is contained in the package) from debconf data. But postinst complains that the config-file does not exist?! The munging is done in "$1" in reconfigure|configure);; so i'd have thought that the package is fully unpacked by the time postinst runs, isn't it? I didn't turn up any good documentation on that matter (just that 'config', i.e. the debconf script that asks the templates questions |
| 11:33 | <blindvt> | is run before unpacking, which is fine) |
| 11:33 | <blindvt> | any hints? *blink* :) |
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| 11:37 | <bremner> | blindvt: you may get better help on #packaging (or #debian-mentors if the package is for upload to Debian) |
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| 11:40 | <blindvt> | bremner, k, thanks! |
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| 11:47 | <robert> | sdfsdaf |
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| 11:47 | <marco> | hi, if I had the non free repositery in my sources list, debian complain of dupicate entries here my sources.list https://paste.debian.net/1212852/ what's wrong ? |
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| 11:48 | <TobiX> | marco: Line 5 and 23 are duplicate |
| 11:48 | <petn-randall> | marco: Your lines 5/6 duplicate the info of 23/24. |
| 11:48 | <petn-randall> | marco: You can safely comment out 5/6. |
| 11:50 | <marco> | is it because i have main too in line 23 |
| 11:50 | <coruja> | marco: or you may simply add ' contrib non-free' to the lines you wish to add contrib/non-free to (and delete ll. 22/23) |
| 11:50 | <coruja> | erm, 22-24 |
| 11:51 | <marco> | ok understood, i'll make correction |
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| 11:56 | <marco> | all is good now. I installed the nvidia driver but i got this warning https://paste.debian.net/1212853/ |
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| 11:59 | <petn-randall> | marco: I recommend you install firmware-linux, as it ships updated firmware for your devices. |
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| 12:03 | <blindvt> | bremner, fyi. The postinst shell had globbing off so my sed did not find the file(s) that i thought it should and hence failed the postinst script. |
| 12:03 | <marco> | petn-randall, done, but always a waring https://paste.debian.net/1212854/ |
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| 12:04 | <bremner> | blindvt: OK. Not sure if using globs in postinst (run as root) is a great idea, if you can avoid it |
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| 12:07 | <marco> | anyway, thanks for the help ;-) |
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| 12:12 | <blindvt> | bremner, agreed. I'll rephrase that part later on |
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| 12:16 | <Sqrt{not}> | petn-randall, firmware-linux depends firmware-linux-nonfree which depends firmware-misc-nonfree but none of that pulls in firmware-realtek which is where marco's missing firmware is located |
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| 12:41 | <hoobaman> | hi |
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| 12:43 | <hoobaman> | got problems bringing up my ovs bridge with networking init /network/interfaces |
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| 12:44 | <hoobaman> | i see that the pre-if-up scripts gets an IFACE argument "--all" witch is the same as "ifup -a" and which marks all interfaces auto |
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| 12:46 | <hoobaman> | the /etc/network/pre-if-up.d/openvswitch expects and exact iface argument |
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| 12:59 | <marathon> | Hi All, will Gnome 41 be in Experimental in the next 14 days, you think? |
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| 13:02 | <sney> | it doesn't look like the gnome team is using experimental atm, so if there's a new upload of 41 it'd probably go to sid. no idea on the schedule. |
| 13:02 | <sney> | someone in #debian-gnome might have an idea, or it might just be "when it's ready" |
| 13:04 | <hoobaman> | systemd unit networking.service does 'ifup -a --read-environment' as execstart, however this file belongs to no package? (dpkg -S /usr/lib/systemd/system/networking.service) |
| 13:05 | <hoobaman> | so this feeds the IFACE= --all as argument and avoids ovsbridges being started |
| 13:05 | <marathon> | @sney: Yeah I get that, Gnome 41 was released today. Mainly bugfixes FWIU. I'll check with #debian-gnome. Thks.]! |
| 13:06 | <bremner> | also, in general #debian-next for testing / sid support |
| 13:06 | <bremner> | no sane person is running experimental and stable... |
| 13:08 | <marathon> | hm, don't see any #debian-gnome channel at least on OFTC |
| 13:08 | <sney> | it's there, 91 users |
| 13:08 | <sney> | listed on https://wiki.debian.org/IRC#Debian_IRC_channels too |
| 13:10 | <marathon> | I'm not sane ;-) Not running Debian 11 either. But yeah for sure. Just thought I'd use being in exp as a yardstick of sorts. |
| 13:11 | <marathon> | of when it might arrive. I can wait though :) |
| 13:12 | <marathon> | sney: It is? Geesus. Search was set to show channels >20 too. Thanks! |
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| 13:13 | <sney> | they probably just use a channel mode that has it hidden. |
| 13:13 | <sney> | experimental is not a standard part of the debian workflow, it's actually used *explicitly* for uploads that the maintainer does not want to migrate anywhere. your yardstick should be sid. |
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| 13:14 | <marathon> | <nod> OK |
| 13:15 | <bentham> | bremner: actually, I ran experimental and stable briefly when I wanted the latest version of Firefox |
| 13:15 | <bentham> | (but I am insane.) |
| 13:16 | <bremner> | indeed, I should not confuse mental health issues with "not a supported configuration" |
| 13:16 | <sney> | firefox is relatively self contained at least |
| 13:16 | <bentham> | sney: thankfully so |
| 13:16 | <marathon> | I must confess to use flatpak for Firefox |
| 13:17 | <sney> | I just have the tarball from mozilla.org in /opt |
| 13:17 | <marathon> | So you make your own desktop launcher? |
| 13:18 | <aloo_shu> | prolly comes with a small install.sh and unisntall.sh, no? |
| 13:18 | <sney> | I just launched it and then pinned it to the taskbar (plasma) |
| 13:18 | <marathon> | IC |
| 13:18 | <sney> | I was using the debian package for a while but even sid is still on 88. the solutions for browsers are often not great, but idc, this works |
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| 13:19 | <aloo_shu> | proudly using ff 45 on some devices still |
| 13:20 | <sney> | and no, there is no install/uninstall script |
| 13:20 | <marathon> | I'd be nervous running an outdated web browser. Debian uses FirefoxLTS don't they? |
| 13:20 | <sney> | esr, yeah |
| 13:20 | <aloo_shu> | was admittedly a guess |
| 13:20 | <marathon> | right |
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| 13:22 | <marathon> | FWIU the flatpak version is by Mozilla themselves. Usually updated within 24hrs of the announcement. |
| 13:22 | <aloo_shu> | if I was nervous, I'd use firejail |
| 13:23 | <marathon> | doesn't flatpak act as a jail? |
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| 13:27 | <aloo_shu> | rather firejail, than subscribing to the idea that browsing html pages was a problem that could only be solved by incurring a specific update volume of hundreds of MB/year (and foregoing any realistic perspective of meaningfully adapting the software) |
| 13:28 | <aloo_shu> | I don't know, firejail is a debian pkg |
| 13:28 | <hendursaga> | marathon: flatpak is a rather poor "jail" |
| 13:29 | <marathon> | hendursaga: Isn't it safer than say running the .deb? |
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| 13:33 | <hendursaga> | marathon: unless it gives you a false sense of security... |
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| 13:38 | <jeremiah> | And it depends on the flatpak, some have access to the host file system, etc. |
| 13:38 | <jeremiah> | If I remember correctly, the Mozilla flatpak is "unofficial" |
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| 13:44 | <marathon> | You may be right. Somehow thought I had read recently that it was FF devs themselves that packaged it, but the app gives flatpak.org as the source. |
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| 15:03 | <Guest673> | how to use a debian computer for an internet gateway? |
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| 15:06 | <jkc> | Guest673: That's not really a support question, that's a how-to. In general, you'll use nftables for the firewall and NAT portions, and if you want additional functionality, you can add it. |
| 15:07 | <sney> | there are loads of "linux firewall howto" articles online, look for one that's recent and it will generally work the same for any distro. usually you'll have nftables/iptables as well as dnsmasq for typical consumer router-like functionality. |
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| 15:08 | <Nonglobal_> | Hi. I want to upgrade to Debian 11 from Debian 10. It's possible that I get some problem with the privative drive of Wifi card? |
| 15:08 | <sney> | Nonglobal_: "privative drive"? |
| 15:08 | <Nonglobal_> | non-free drivers* |
| 15:08 | <Nonglobal_> | sorry |
| 15:08 | <sney> | if your wifi card works in debian 10, it should still work in 11 |
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| 15:09 | <Nonglobal_> | Thanks sney ! |
| 15:09 | <sney> | you may want to upgrade the kernel+firmware first before the rest of the packages, just to make sure |
| 15:10 | <Nonglobal_> | Do you have some documentation in mind to read how to perform that? |
| 15:10 | <sney> | dpkg: buster->bullseye |
| 15:10 | <dpkg> | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of <release notes> https://deb.li/39cyD . TL;DR: In /etc/apt/sources.list change "buster" to "bullseye", fix the line for security updates (see <bullseye-security>), remove stable-specific lines like buster-backports. apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> cause problems with upgrades. If working over ssh, upgrade ssh first, see <bullseye ssh upgrade>. |
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| 15:11 | <sney> | ^ in between 'apt update' and 'apt upgrade', add 'apt install linux-image-amd64 firmware-(vendor)' |
| 15:11 | <sney> | so if it's intel, that would be firmware-iwlwifi, etc |
| 15:11 | <Nonglobal_> | ok |
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| 15:13 | <Nonglobal_> | Thanks a Lot sney |
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| 15:13 | <sney> | np |
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| 15:18 | <Guest673> | thanks jkc, sney |
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| 15:28 | <Guest695> | How to reset or "clean" my Debian VPS? Typically a VPS host has a button for resetting the VPS in the client management area, but this one doesn't |
| 15:29 | <sarnold> | would it be easier to deploy a new one? |
| 15:30 | <sney> | debian doesn't have a function built in for that, yeah just deploy a new one |
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| 15:32 | <Guest695> | Okay |
| 15:33 | <Guest695> | easier yes but not cheaper |
| 15:33 | <Guest695> | They offer a Rescue Mode image, but I suppose that won't help me? |
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| 15:46 | <blast007> | Guest695: rescue mode is for when you need to reset a password or fix your install |
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| 15:48 | <blast007> | Guest695: some providers, such as Digital Ocean, have an option to rebuild the VPS https://docs.digitalocean.com/products/droplets/how-to/rebuild/ |
| 15:48 | <alexandro> | https://paste.debian.net/1212878/ |
| 15:48 | <blast007> | you might want to check with the VPS provider to see if they offer that feature |
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| 15:50 | <alexandro> | Hi? |
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| 15:52 | <bremner> | dpkg: tell alexandro about localized errors |
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| 16:00 | <alexandro> | I lost the main system, please help me. |
| 16:02 | <tjcarter> | alexandro: you might need to be a little more specific. |
| 16:02 | <tjcarter> | alexandro: we like to think we're pretty good, but we can't read minds. |
| 16:03 | <blast007> | they have a pastebin that shows a file has rw permissions for their account, but nano is saying the file is not writable |
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| 16:03 | <blast007> | could be a filesystem in read-only mode |
| 16:03 | <tjcarter> | ah, I just looked in |
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| 16:05 | <tjcarter> | https://paste.debian.net/1212878/ doesn't really show me enough to help though |
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| 16:05 | <sarnold> | the google translate says "File '*' is not writable" |
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| 16:06 | <sarnold> | which doesn't make a ton of sense to me, where'd the * come from |
| 16:06 | <tjcarter> | exactly |
| 16:06 | <tjcarter> | (I'd gotten as far as Google translate) |
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| 16:07 | <tjcarter> | but also if he can't stay on the channel for more than 30 seconds … |
| 16:07 | <tjcarter> | it doesn't matter what we do to help |
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| 16:13 | <gwalenn> | hi, how I can get my version of plasma desktop in bullseye ? |
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| 16:17 | <tjcarter> | gwalenn: I don't use a KDE desktop but I bet there's something like a system info screen somewhere. |
| 16:17 | <tjcarter> | or you can do what most people do and ask neofetch |
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| 16:18 | <tjcarter> | (you might not have that installed, but if you do, it's a very "showing off for screenshot" sort of terminal-based system info screen) |
| 16:19 | <tjcarter> | the more useful diagnostic tool is probably inxi, but that's lower level. |
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| 16:41 | <alexandro_> | I need a step by step https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch08s07.html.en |
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| 16:49 | <alexandro_> | How Do I Change The Keyboard to ABNT in Debian Live |
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| 16:53 | <Sqrt{not}> | alexandro_, what about your system is broken, what do you see? what do you need to repair? |
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| 16:55 | <Sqrt{not}> | %br |
| 16:55 | <dselect> | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br on irc.oftc.net (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. - https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-portuguese/ |
| 16:55 | <Sqrt{not}> | 84 people in #debian-br now, if that would be better |
| 16:58 | <alexandro_> | <Sqrt{not}> init... comand line |
| 16:59 | <alexandro_> | i want recover by debian live |
| 16:59 | <alexandro_> | now |
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| 17:01 | <Sqrt{not}> | alexandro_, we need much more information. If you can answer many questions here (in english) we will try to fix your problem. If you would like help in brazilian portugese, /join #debian-br |
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| 17:02 | <alexandro_> | What information do you need |
| 17:02 | <Sqrt{not}> | what is your system doing now? what do you see? |
| 17:03 | <alexandro_> | The system does not start, so I am using debian live and I need to recover the main system with debian live |
| 17:03 | <alexandro_> | The broken main system is turned off because I'm using debian live |
| 17:04 | <Sqrt{not}> | are you using debian live on the broken system now? |
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| 17:05 | <alexandro_> | yes |
| 17:05 | <Sqrt{not}> | what does the system do, when you try to start it? anything on the screen? |
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| 17:08 | <alexandro_> | Yes, a command line with something like > init... |
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| 17:11 | <Sqrt{not}> | what happened to the system, after last time it works OK? new install? system upgrade? hardware change? something else? nothing? |
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| 17:14 | <alexandro_> | I installed an app. |
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| 17:17 | <jeffry> | Hello |
| 17:17 | <sney> | hi |
| 17:18 | <Sqrt{not}> | alexandro_, can you tell us what app that is? what do you think needs to be done to the system to repair it, any ideas? |
| 17:18 | <jeffry> | I was trying to configur umask sftp in debian 11 but is not posible at the moment is working well in debian 10 |
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| 17:19 | <jeffry> | I was trying with this :: Subsystem sftp internal-sftp -u 0002 |
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| 17:20 | <jeffry> | Subsystem sftp internal-sftp -u 0002 this working well in debian 10 but i dont know why is not working in debian 11 |
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| 17:23 | <alexandro_> | I also tried to set up umask in debian 11 but there were many opcoes to test and find out which one gave read and write access only to the owner |
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| 17:23 | <jeffry> | Does anyone have any ideas? |
| 17:26 | <jeffry> | Does anyone have any ideas? how to do something similar to this Subsystem sftp internal-sftp -u 0002 in sshd_config for DEBIAN 11 |
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| 17:26 | <sney> | just hang out and wait, someone may have an idea |
| 17:30 | <mentor> | I've just upgraded to GDM 40.1-2+b1 in unstable and it is showing me only a grey textured gnome background and date/time, accessibility, and system menus, but not user list or login box. |
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| 17:31 | <sney> | mentor: you will typically find better support for sid in #debian-next, though I would guess that maybe there's some component that hasn't been uploaded to sid yet? |
| 17:33 | <Sqrt{not}> | alexandro_, what do you want to do with the debian live, to fix your problem? |
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| 17:36 | <alexandro_> | How do I create the home partition with debian live and put it to run on debian live |
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| 17:36 | <alexandro_> | by default every time you use debian live |
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| 17:39 | <mentor> | sney: That gdm3 seems to have transitioned to testing already, so I'd be a little sceptical of that. |
| 17:39 | <Sqrt{not}> | alexandro_, the live user probably already has a home partition on the live system. Do you want to access /home/ from the broken system? |
| 17:39 | <mentor> | sney: Although not so much so that I haven't also looked |
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| 17:41 | <alexandro_> | I'm backing up /home/ of the broken system and then I want to create the /home/ partition to reinstall the system already with /home/ configured and I want this /home/ to be used in debian live |
| 17:43 | <Sqrt{not}> | alexandro_, you can tell the installer to keep an existing partition without change, and tell it to make that partition be /home .... or do you need to do something else? |
| 17:44 | <Sqrt{not}> | alexandro_, you can mount a partition from the machine's disks while you are in the live system. Is that what you try to do? |
| 17:45 | <Sqrt{not}> | alexandro_, let us know if you get to a place where you need any advice. |
| 17:47 | <alexandro_> | I wanted to use my configuration files with Debian |
| 17:47 | <alexandro_> | For example the browser data ... |
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| 17:47 | <sney> | mentor: right, it's just a guess, ideally you'll need to find someone else who is using it |
| 17:49 | <coruja> | alexandro_: while installing you may choose partitions to be mounted to mountpoints just as they are, meaning without formatting |
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| 17:50 | <noarb> | when a piece of software is packaged for DFSG compliance and has the -dfsg suffix, is there a way to see what pieces of the upstream was the offender, or what was removed? I'm looking at https://packages.debian.org/source/stable/opencv |
| 17:50 | <Sqrt{not}> | alexandro_, do you want to copy something from the broken system onto someplace else? Or do you just want to do what coruja suggested just now? |
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| 18:00 | <sney> | noarb: usually that'll be noted in a bug report or the changelog (or both), which are linked from the package tracker page ("developer information" via packages.debian.org) |
| 18:01 | <wwallace> | !xy |
| 18:01 | <dpkg> | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 18:01 | <sney> | noarb: if it's been that way for a long time though, you might need to do some digging, or contact the maintainer. |
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| 18:49 | <alexandro> | How to use fsck in (initramfs)? |
| 18:50 | <alexandro> | .Cl a |
| 18:50 | <alexandro> | Command line of broken system... |
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| 18:51 | <danielssan> | alexandro: load a live usb |
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| 19:14 | <jkc> | alex11: Have you tried using a search engine even once? Because all of these questions have easily found answers. |
| 19:14 | <alex11> | wrong ping |
| 19:14 | <jkc> | dammit |
| 19:15 | <jkc> | He gone, that's why. |
| 19:15 | <jkc> | alex11: I have brought shame to my family. :( |
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| 20:28 | <Leonid> | hallo |
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| 20:28 | <Leonid> | some one here |
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| 20:29 | <Leonid> | need help |
| 20:29 | <sarnold> | you also need to ask more specific questions :) |
| 20:29 | <Leonid> | ;) |
| 20:29 | <Leonid> | ok |
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| 20:30 | <Leonid> | Process: 5890 ExecStart=/bin/sh -c exec /usr/sbin/oidentd -S ${OIDENT_OPTIONS} -u "${OIDENT_USER}" -g "${OIDENT_GROUP}" `[ "${OIDENT_BEHIND_PROXY}" = "yes" ] && ip route show to exact 0/0 | awk '{print "-P " $3}'` (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) |
| 20:30 | <Leonid> | when i make some apt install |
| 20:30 | <Leonid> | give this error |
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| 20:31 | <sarnold> | do you have oidentd installed? |
| 20:31 | <Leonid> | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 20:32 | <Leonid> | oidentd: /usr/sbin/oidentd /etc/oidentd.conf /usr/share/man/man8/oidentd.8.gz |
| 20:32 | <raven523> | do you have the full output of this command? paste it to https://paste.debian.net |
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| 20:34 | <Leonid> | https://paste.debian.net/1212908/ |
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| 20:36 | <Leonid> | raven523 what a problem ? i have |
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| 20:36 | <sarnold> | do you actually need oidentd? if you're not using it, it'd be easy enough to uninstall it |
| 20:36 | <raven523> | does /lib/systemd/system/oidentd.service contain EnvironmentFile=? |
| 20:36 | <jkc> | The |
| 20:36 | <themill> | "stable" in the sources.list is a really bad idea... |
| 20:36 | <jkc> | The "do you need oidentd" question is more pressing. |
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| 20:37 | <Leonid> | yes i need oidentd |
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| 20:38 | <jkc> | Given how ancient identd is and the fact that next to nothing actually consumes that data anymore, I am curious as to why. |
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| 20:49 | <jmcnaught> | Leonid: did you look at "systemctl status oidentd.service" and "journalctl -u oidentd.service"? |
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| 21:05 | <alexandro> | Hi... |
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| 21:06 | <sarnold> | wb alexandro, how's your filesystem? |
| 21:06 | <alexandro> | It's fine... |
| 21:06 | <sarnold> | yay |
| 21:06 | <alexandro> | I run fsck |
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| 21:07 | <alexandro> | I wait now |
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| 21:07 | <alexandro> | By debian live same |
| 21:07 | <alexandro> | What you make? |
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| 21:12 | <alexandro> | I think umask now... |
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| 21:14 | <jeremiah> | TobiX: It does, you're right. |
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| 21:14 | <alexandro> | How umask to folders? |
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| 21:14 | <jeremiah> | TobiX: But I guess until Mozilla took it over, it used to be: https://firefox-flatpak.mojefedora.cz/ |
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| 21:15 | <acidsys> | alexandro: umask applies to everything |
| 21:15 | <jeremiah> | alexandro: You 'umask' setting is often in .bashrc |
| 21:18 | <jeremiah> | But yeah, the mask applies to anything that modifies the permissions placed on newly created files or directories |
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| 21:26 | <alexandro> | Word umask not find in my .bashrc... |
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| 21:30 | <sarnold> | alexandro: I don't think default shell startup scripts include umask commands, normally the sysadmin sets a umask using pam_umask in the /etc/pam.d/ configurations -- and individual users can change their umask if they wish |
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| 22:01 | <wuniu> | Do your fn keys work well on Debian11? |
| 22:05 | <sney> | mine do, on a thinkpad |
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| 22:07 | <anix> | is debian 11 stable now? |
| 22:07 | <sney> | yes, it was released last month |
| 22:07 | <mangix> | no |
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| 22:11 | <anix> | whoa, released on 14th Aug. I'm out of touch |
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| 22:35 | <jkc> | alexandro: Have you tried using a search engine even once? Because every question you've asked has easily found answers. |
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| 22:40 | <alexandro> | It's difficult to choose a fixed route to solve the problems... I happen to ask here and keep asking and then I remember to search... |
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| 22:42 | <jkc> | Start doing that in the reverse. Search first, and if you can't come to a solution, ask here. |
| 22:43 | <tjcarter> | earlier he'd ask and then leave before someone could answer |
| 22:43 | <aloo_shu> | oh no what can we do |
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| 22:47 | <anix> | I'm interested to know whether an upgrade to bullseye will allow me to avoid custom entries in my /etc/apt/apt.conf.d |
| 22:47 | <anix> | because I'm currently pulling down bullseye packages into buster system |
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| 22:49 | <dvs> | anix: custom entries in apt.conf.d? Sounds like you pulled in packages from bullseye while on buster. |
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| 22:50 | <anix> | yes |
| 22:50 | <dvs> | -_- |
| 22:50 | <anix> | had to add buster as "default-release" |
| 22:50 | <jkc> | anix: And you understand why that's a very bad idea and that you should never, ever do that again? |
| 22:50 | <anix> | to increase buster packages priority |
| 22:51 | <anix> | I had to - to get new software |
| 22:52 | <jkc> | Read what I just said. Do not ever do that again. |
| 22:52 | <jkc> | !frankendebian |
| 22:52 | <dpkg> | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian and <reinstall> |
| 22:52 | <anix> | and I only do it for the bare minimum packages necessary |
| 22:53 | <jkc> | You keep adding caveats as if that changes what's being said. |
| 22:53 | <danielssan> | anix: why didn't you upgrade to bullseye if you really need more up to date packages? |
| 22:53 | <jkc> | It doesn't. See the previous. |
| 22:53 | <anix> | yes, it's scary - there is alot of chance for dependency hell |
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| 22:53 | <anix> | danielssan: because I wanted to be on as much stable software as possible |
| 22:54 | <jkc> | "I had to to get new software" "I wanted to be on as much stable software as possible" |
| 22:54 | <jkc> | anix: It's not a chance of dependency hell, its a guarantee. And that's why you don't do that. So don't ever do that again. |
| 22:55 | <anix> | i.e. I had about 2300 buster packages and maybe 5 manually installed bullseye packages - problem is they want bullseye dependencies - that's when things get sketchy |
| 22:55 | <jkc> | anix: That's not a problem, that's why you don't do that to begin with. |
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| 22:58 | <anix> | well, now I can probably straighten things out now - with a straight upgrade to bullseye - and stick to bullseys packages |
| 22:58 | <jkc> | And don't ever mix releases again. If you need newer software, that's why the backports repo exists. |
| 22:59 | <jkc> | There's also simple backports from sid. |
| 22:59 | <jkc> | !ssb |
| 22:59 | <dpkg> | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 23:01 | <anix> | fetch package from sid and compile? that will still want newer dependencies though wouldn't it? |
| 23:02 | <jkc> | If it can be compiled against the stable release's libraries, no. |
| 23:03 | <anix> | that's good to know thanks |
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| 23:24 | <halo> | hi guys - I have a directory with a bunch of files inside and one directory there |
| 23:24 | <halo> | I want to move all those files inside of that directory |
| 23:24 | <halo> | but I can't just do mv * directory right ? because the directory is also there |
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| 23:27 | <tjcarter> | halo: you'll get a (harmless) error |
| 23:27 | <tjcarter> | can't move the directory into itself. |
| 23:27 | <tjcarter> | all else will be moved |
| 23:28 | <halo> | so i am safe to do it |
| 23:28 | <halo> | ? |
| 23:28 | <tjcarter> | yeah, it'll do what you want |
| 23:29 | <halo> | thx |
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