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01:24<erle->I accidentally used "systemctl disable gdm" instead of "systemctl set-default ..."
01:24<erle->now I cannot enable it
01:24<erle->any ideas
01:24<erle->?
01:25<tjcarter>erle-: systemctl enable gdm ?
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01:26<erle->tjcarter, it throws an error that gdm is not meant to be enabled
01:27<erle->https://paste.debian.net/1213169/
01:27<tjcarter>Well, I'd personally agree with it, but … hmm, let's see if we can find you a better solution than "use better software".
01:27<tjcarter>eye of the beer holder or something like that
01:28<erle->"systemctl start gdm" works btw
01:28<at0m>erle-: how about dpkg-reconfigure gdm, tht should send you and option which to use as default
01:28<at0m>*an
01:29<at0m>not sure where it's set underneath that though
01:29<tjcarter>erle-: where does /etc/systemd/system/display-manager.service point?
01:29<at0m>that^ probably, thanks tjcarter
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01:29<erle->it does not exist
01:30<erle->the link does not exist
01:30<tjcarter>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 Aug 17 03:09 /etc/systemd/system/display-manager.service -> /lib/systemd/system/lightdm.service
01:30<tjcarter>set it to gdm
01:30<tjcarter>it's supposed to be a symlink
01:30<erle->gdm does not exist either
01:31<erle->dkpg also throws an error
01:31<tjcarter>You did more than disable gdm then
01:31<tjcarter>/lib/systemd/system/gdm.service should exist.
01:32<tjcarter>lemme check that
01:32<Tj>erle-: try "dpkg-reconfigure gdm3"
01:32<erle->Tj, yes, I did
01:32<tjcarter>gdm3: /lib/systemd/system/gdm.service
01:32<erle->wait
01:32<Tj>erle-: "gdm3" or "gdm" ?
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01:33<erle->https://paste.debian.net/1213170/
01:33<erle->both
01:33<erle->gdm does not exist
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01:33<erle->maybe I have to stop gdm first
01:34<erle->but that does not make sense
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01:35<tjcarter>if you want gdm to autostart, you need to symlink /etc/systemd/system/display-manager.service to /lib/systemd/system/gdm.service
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01:36<erle->I added the link even though there is no gdm.service
01:36<erle->is that correct?
01:37<erle->I will reboot now, let's see if everything comes up
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01:39<erle->thanks, it worked
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01:53<webber>a programmers dream, the debian source archive, put your brain on a cdrom and pop it in, maxell wow! since when did god become as god? never you snake!
01:55<webber>but the when part, you get that multiverse algorithm on debian? if man kills man by man must he be killed thats the only functioning law right?
01:55<webber>got a good lawyer?
01:55<webber>the eye of the tiger
01:56<webber>twain eve
01:56<webber>one
02:00<webber>we all started out as Heisenberg girls didnt we
02:00<at0m>!ot
02:00<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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02:07<tjcarter>erle-: oh, glad you got it working
02:09<erle->now I noticed that the link is pointing to /lib/systemd, not /etc/systemd
02:09<erle->now it makes sense
02:11<webber>erle- check twice or more
02:12<tjcarter>explains the problem then
02:13<webber>Claudiu_E vvelcomme
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02:20<sussudio>webber is just the spammer that's been banned multiple times before.
02:20<sussudio>on a vpn this time. someone must have banned tor.
02:21<sussudio>they even took the effort to register and verify their nick this time, to continue spamming.
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02:23<Claudiu_E>Morning!
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02:23<Claudiu_E>Guys, does anyone has a dual gpu system?
02:24<Claudiu_E>Not a notebook/laptop.
02:24<sussudio>!ask
02:24<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
02:25<Claudiu_E>I'm wondering if its possible to force my browsers to use igpu instead of my nvidia gpu.
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02:25<sussudio>for what reason
02:25<sussudio>do you want your browser on a different display or something
02:25<Claudiu_E>Well, nvidia cant decode vp9, hw acceleration on videos is 0
02:26<Claudiu_E>No, i wand to use my intel gpu to decode my videos.
02:26<Claudiu_E>Cuz vdpau suport it.
02:26<sussudio>that seems more like a driver problem
02:26<Claudiu_E>Fully.
02:26<Claudiu_E>I dont think so, i think is a nvidia problem.
02:26<sussudio>it's not.
02:26<Claudiu_E>Ok.
02:27<Claudiu_E>Then, can you help me fix it?
02:27<sussudio>i would google for the solution.
02:27<sney>dealing with igpu and nvidia rendering of various things on a desktop should be roughly the same as doing it on optimus, I bet
02:27<Claudiu_E>I've installed my nvidia and vdpau acording to debian wiky.
02:27<Claudiu_E>Wel, it's not.
02:27<sussudio>,v libva-vdpau-driver
02:27<sney>have you tried that approach, or just decided it won't work?
02:27<judd>No package named 'libva-vdpau-driver' was found in amd64.
02:27<sussudio>hm.
02:28<Claudiu_E>At least i did not manage to make it work.
02:28<Claudiu_E>Yes, did try the bublebee, prime and optimus.
02:28<Claudiu_E>bumblebee*
02:28<sussudio>what are those
02:28<sney>prime offload would have been the only one worth trying, since you don't have optimus hardware
02:28<sussudio>!bumblebee
02:28<dpkg>The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <stretch> and <buster> and <bullseye>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/
02:29<sney>bumblebee is exclusively for those laptops that have a hardware multiplexing setup.
02:29<Claudiu_E>The thing is that my dual system isnt a laptop.
02:29<sussudio>i'm guessing you need something non-free to make it work.
02:29<Claudiu_E>Exactly.
02:29<Claudiu_E>Well, i think so too.
02:29<sney>prime offload uses the nvidia gpu to render certain applications even though the desktop and display are only plugged into the intel gpu
02:30<Claudiu_E>There are some flags for chromium, like --gpu-active-vendor and --gpuactive-device
02:30<Claudiu_E>But somehow they are not working.
02:30<sney>it's more internal xorg stuff now, but maybe it still requires that bananas hardware, I'm not sure
02:31<Claudiu_E>Ok, then do you have an optin to make nvidia decode vp9??
02:31<Claudiu_E>option*
02:31<Claudiu_E>Sorry for my bad spelling. :D
02:32<sney>you would have to compile the application in question with nvenc/nvdec enabled. or install it from a 3rd party, in the case of plex
02:32<sney>otherwise there are just a couple packages to install, https://wiki.debian.org/HardwareVideoAcceleration#NVENC.2FNVDEC
02:33<Claudiu_E>I've done that.
02:34<sney>the chrome package from google, for instance, probably has support. I haven't checked but I wouldn't be surprised.
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02:35<Claudiu_E>Ok, now something weird happened.
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02:36<Claudiu_E>Vainfo repots that i have full support over nvida...
02:36<Claudiu_E>https://paste.debian.net/1213172/
02:38<sussudio>there seem to be chromium packages recompiled for vdpau. it's not in debian, though. why would you even need to recompile. chromium seems broken.
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02:38<Claudiu_E>So, vdpau looks like its working, but the vp9 decoding is done by the cpu...
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02:39<sussudio>maybe it's some obscure chromium flag that you need to toggle. they don't make it easy.
02:39<Claudiu_E>This problem is even in firefox.
02:40<Claudiu_E>Hw acceleration with nvidia seems impossible.
02:40<Claudiu_E>At least on the browsers side.
02:41<Claudiu_E>I do indeed have a notebook with a ryzen 5 and vega 8 gpu, on that, everything work fine.
02:41<Claudiu_E>From the 1st attempt.
02:41<Claudiu_E>But nvidia, omg! This gpu just dont wanna wotk.
02:41<Claudiu_E>work*
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02:43<Claudiu_E>Ups, sorry, nvida dont work on vdpau, the output on that pastebin link was from intel gpu.
02:44<Claudiu_E>https://paste.debian.net/1213173/
02:45<Claudiu_E>This is the full output.
02:45<Claudiu_E>Some pastebinit didnt got everything.
02:45<Claudiu_E>somehow*
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03:06<Claudiu_E>Is there an app on linux that lets you chose what graphic card to use on a specific application?
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07:34<dpkg>Test failed.
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07:39<danielssan>somebody here got an issue with the new kernel in stable? since today (rebooted into the new kernel) I have hangups, screen takes about 3-4 secs to open a new window, and sometimes chokes on that exiting the session (because it's dead)
07:42<Tj>danielssan: check the system log(s)
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07:44<danielssan>hm seems like a dead ram stick, but still lingering around with 8gb and oom killer killed screen :/
07:45<danielssan>this system is basically running nothing else than the os + screen + irssi
07:45<Tj>it is getting EDAC reports?
07:46<danielssan>no
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07:50<danielssan>Tj: this seems to be the relevant part (where it also mentions that swap is full) https://paste.debian.net/plain/1213196
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10:40<bremner>!ask
10:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:45<boud>What replaced freetype-config that was present in libfreetype6-dev 2.6.3-3.2 in stretch but seems to have been absent since buster? https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/libfreetype6-dev/freetype-config.1.en.html
10:46<Sebastinas>pkg-config freetype2
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10:48<boud>Sebastinas: thanks :) - seems like a more systematic approach.
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11:07<somiaj>yea foo-config's have been depericated for a while now
11:11<GenTooMan>hmm I noticed process ID's now exceed 65535 in bullseye I assume that's a kernel thing, just surprised me.
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11:25<FLD>oh! i had been wondering what's with all the impossible looking PID numbers i was seeing in the logs
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11:33<GenTooMan>so instead of wrapping around every 4 days or so it now takes years if you leave your machine on that long...
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11:33<GenTooMan>it does help with sequencing process order at least.
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13:56<cheapie>Hmm... I'm wondering now if anyone has tried getting Seagate's openSeaChest into the Debian repos yet.
13:56<cheapie>(not that it matters that much, it's like the easiest thing to compile ever and I think they also offer binaries)
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14:09<bremner>is it free software?
14:09<bremner>(i.e. what is the license)
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14:16<cheapie>bremner: Yes, MPL 2.0
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14:20<bremner>cheapie: if you _really_ care, see #debian-mentors for how to package it. Otherwise you could file an RFP (request for package) bug, but the success rate is not great with those.
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14:21<cheapie>I don't really care enough to do anything about it, that's kind of the problem - I'm not really expecting anyone else to go just do it for me either, no, but the initial comments there were just sort of "thinking out loud" type stuff and not really asking for something to happen.
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15:11<bremner>mission accomplished, then.
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20:16<deitarion>I have a buster machine that was off for a few months and now all the repo keys are expired, but the instructions for updating them all seem to assume an outdated `apt-key list` output format. Help?
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20:19<sney>a few months should not be long enough for the keys to expire, make sure that your system clock is correct before assuming that the keys are the issue.
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20:19<sney>but, if they are, you could manually update the debian-archive-keyring package, that should handle it
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20:21<deitarion>I already checked. If the clock is off, it's less than a second off. That said, that's not the only thing that's wrong. Part of the reason I wasn't using it for a few months is that it's a headless box and I didn't have time to diagnose it appearing to fail to come up after an update.
20:21<deitarion>Turns out it no longer sees the onboard NIC for some reason. I had to pull out a USB NIC to get it back so I could try to fix that.
20:22<somiaj>apt-key should still work, it has just been depericated so you get a warning is all
20:23<deitarion>somiaj: The problem is that all the instructions I've found assume that `apt-key list` will output in the form 4096/<KEY ID> rather than the rsa4096 I'm getting.
20:23<deitarion>...and the problem just went away without me doing anything. I can only guess that unattended-updates got launched and knew how to fix it.
20:24<somiaj>Anyways, the last time the debian-archive-keyring package was updated was Tue, 16 Mar 2021, so it has been more than a few months. Though maybe manually download that package?
20:25<deitarion>No need. The "expired" lines spontaneously turned to 2027/2029/etc. "expires" lines while I was poking at `apt-key list` to try to elicit the format everyone was saying it should have.
20:26<deitarion>Hence my assuming that unattended-updates must be responsible, since this is a very pared down image and that's the only thing it *could* be.
20:28<deitarion>...and updating the kernel didn't bring back the NIC. Back to trying to diagnose *that* problem.
20:28<Sqrt{not}>seems odd that unattended-updates would work if the repo keys are all expired?
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20:30<sney>yeah that sounds like a misinterpretation of the evidence, but if it's working now then whatever
20:30<deitarion>I have a headache and I'm tired, so it's *possible* that I'm misremembering, but I *thought* I was still experiencing the problem after I checked the system time... but it *is* theoretically possible that my memory of the ordering of events is faulty and NTP fixed the clock before I checked the time but after I checked the keys.
20:30<sney>and hardware just dies sometimes. the e1000 in my home hypervisor bit the dust a few months ago, had to find another pci nic. ah well, it happens
20:31<deitarion>I'd still like to at least be more confident in that before I go rooting around to dig out a NIC. This thing is in a very awkward place to perform service on.
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20:45<deitarion>Yeah. Unless mei_me initialization errors could be responsible for some kind of "failure to expose the onboard NIC to the OS" situation, the onboard NIC is dead enough to be invisible to the OS.
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20:46<deitarion>I suppose the simplest way to check that before I try to manoeuvre it into a shape where I can open the case would be to boot a few of my various live environments and see if any of them see the NIC.
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20:48<sney>yep, and poke at it with ethtool/mii-diag and see if you can get it to cough up an error
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20:49<sney>with mine, the most visible sign of death was visible from the blinkenlights above the jack - they would flash for a few seconds, then turn off, and then re-initialize, over and over
20:50<deitarion>Unfortunately, getting at the back of it to unplug stuff is one of the things I'm procrastinating and the jack is on the back.
20:50<sney>mirror? :D
20:51<deitarion>*chuckle* No, it's kind of closed in, despite being well-ventilated. If I can ever find the willpower to unstack this whole desk, I really need to put it on wheels.
20:51<danielssan>random question, does dd use swap? as I found out, which doing "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=4M" swap gets filled up to the point of the process being killed. is there a way to circumvent that?
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20:52<sney>sort of, in the sense that all disk writes on linux are cached in memory before being written to disk. I'm pretty sure there's a dd option to perform the writes directly though
20:52<sney>something =sync I'm sure it's in the man page
20:53<danielssan>ahh so maybe oflag=sync hm
20:53<sney>that sounds right
20:53<somiaj>though cache shouldn't be using up swap, if you are filling up with memeory and using swap that might be something else
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20:55<danielssan>hm something is going on with the system. but thanks sney :) will try it later, after figuring out why screen gets killed :/
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20:56<danielssan>seems like it's not only the dd command, as it just got killed + screen needs 4-10 secs to open a new window
20:56<sney>between killing applications and disk writes going to swap I wonder if you have no free ram, and oom-killer is running amok
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20:58<danielssan>sney: the weird part is, ram itself is not full when swap is written, and then overflowing with it, so programs get killed
20:58<somiaj>what you describe shouldn't really be happening, what makes you think the ram isn't filling up?
20:58<danielssan>well free -m tells me that
20:58<danielssan>before screen gets killed
20:59<somiaj>and what is that, share the output at a pastebin
20:59<deitarion>sney: As for ethtool, when I said "failure to expose" when talking about "unless that mei_me driver failure is causing it", I literally meant that the onboard NIC is completely invisible to the OS. There's nothing to poke at with ethtool.
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21:00<deitarion>The reason it's so puzzling is that neither the BIOS nor dmesg give any errors aside from the mei_me ones. It's just gone.
21:00<sney>ah, that sounds pretty damning. what controller is it?
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21:01<deitarion>It's part of the Intel onboard stuff. I forget the exact part number but it's a repurposed HP Core 2 Duo SFF PC with ICH9-family parts such as 82Q35 and 82801I.
21:03<sney>alright, so an e1000, the linux driver was written by intel themselves and doesn't even use firmware blobs
21:04<sney>unless you had a weird power outage that told your bios to disable the integrated nic
21:04<deitarion>I looked through the BIOS and couldn't find an option to do that, so probably not.
21:04<deitarion>...and I'm pretty sure I don't have any NICs in the closet with low-profile brackets. Ugh.
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21:08<danielssan>okay I found the culprit :( it's screen itself
21:08<danielssan>using 90% of available mem+swap
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