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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-10-08

---Logopened Fri Oct 08 00:00:11 2021
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01:25-!-gtristan is "Tristan van Berkom" on #debian-next #kernelnewbies #debian
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03:48<JoeFreddy>hello everyone
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03:48<klenkiven>hello
03:49<JoeFreddy>how are you? can I ask for help here?
03:49-!-tails [~tails@tails.servegame.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
03:50<klenkiven>Yes, I'll try
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03:51<twb>!ask
03:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
03:51<JoeFreddy>Thanks a lot. I have a problem, cryptsetup doesnt prompt at boot (USB encrypted persistence)
03:52<JoeFreddy>its directly booting to desktop
03:52<twb>for the root filesystem?
03:52<JoeFreddy>yes
03:52<twb>how can the GUI come up, then
03:52<twb>JoeFreddy: oh, is this Debian Live ?
03:53<JoeFreddy>its the latest kali linux 'everything' build
03:53<twb>!kali
03:53<dpkg>Kali Linux https://kali.org/ is a security/penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but is different enough that we don't provide support in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.libera.chat or https://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian> and read https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html
03:53<JoeFreddy>ok thanks
03:53<twb>If you can reproduce on Debian Live, I can try to help
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03:54<twb>(I wonder how much #debian's reputation for being rude and mean is just people asking for help with non-Debian things.)
03:56<klenkiven>twb, It's very nice of you
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04:08<tjcarter>twb: at a guess? Almost all of it
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04:10<twb>In my experience about 75% of #debian questions are 1) help me with this debian derivative; or 2) I have an nvidia GPU and therefore my system is always broken
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04:19<pluswave>I have a problem, with Debian live buster, I can't use f2fs as a persistence storage. with bullseye it is ok. I tried to use bullseye's live-boot package in buster, but it is the same result. anyone know why ?
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04:29<twb>pluswave: does buster support f2fs at all?
04:30<wyre_>hi guys, could I create a virtual partition to be mounted in /dev/shm?
04:30<twb>pluswave: did you backport all the ?source-package(live-boot) binary packages, or only the live-boot .deb?
04:30<twb>wyre_: that happens by default
04:31<twb>wyre_: df -t tmpfs /dev/shm
04:31<wyre_>twb, by default? I mean, how is this virtual partition created?
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04:31<twb>wyre_: probably in systemd somewhere...
04:31<wyre_>so could I write everything directly to /dev/shm?
04:31<twb>wyre_: I don't know what you mean by that
04:31<wyre_>s/everything/anything/
04:32<twb>wyre_: sure
04:32<wyre_>twb, just by writing into /dev/shm?
04:32<twb>wyre_: /dev/shm is essentially identical to /tmp on modern Linux
04:32<twb>OK on my system /dev/shm is created in /etc/fstab, but it looks like something *I* have done by hand
04:33<umlaeute>identical?
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04:34<umlaeute>they are similar (both being tmpfs), but with "identical" i would assume samesameness (that is: "echo bla > /tmp/foo; cat /dev/shm/foo")
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04:35<pluswave>twb: 1 buster support f2fs, I can manually mount it . 2 I just use the binary deb package from bullseye. I download it from bullseye, use reprepro to include in my own repo, and install it from live config / live build.
04:35<twb>wyre_: I *think* this is the relevant line /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/debian.conf:L /run/shm - - - - /dev/shm
04:36<twb>wait no
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04:38<twb>pluswave: is persistence not part of live-tools package?
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04:44<test>Hi, am I on the official Debian IRC channel? I know nothing about IRC.
04:44<twb>test: yes
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04:45<test>Thanks. I have some important issues to report.
04:46<test>You guys could forward my reports to someone that could fix then? It is about the Debian website.
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04:46<twb>test: are you running Debian yourself?
04:46<test>@twb Well, not now, but this is not relevant to my report.
04:47<twb>test: the correct place to report bugs about the main debian website is https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=www.debian.org;dist=unstable
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04:47<twb>The easiest way to do this is by running "reportbug www.debian.org"
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04:47<twb>But that requires you to be running Debian
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04:48<twb>If you can't run reportbug, you can write an email manually https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
04:48<test>Thanks, I'm taking a look.
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04:49<twb>You are welcome to discuss it here as well, but the answer might just be "I can't be arsed; write to bugs.debian.org"
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04:49<test>I'm pretty much new to Debian, and a lot of things are still difficult to me.
04:50<test>@twb If I report to that website you provided, can I follow the report? Maybe see an answer or when the fix could happen?
04:50<twb>yes
04:50<test>I'll tell you about it first.
04:50<test>In this page here: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
04:51<twb>People doing "reply all" will CC you; people doing "reply" won't, so you'd need to "subscribe" to the bug to get those
04:51<test>Oh, so the main communication happens through email?
04:51<twb>Debian's bug tracker is email-based, yes
04:52<test>I see. I don't like e-mail that much... Mainly because I'm still using a Google address and I don't know much about the technology or a good secure provider that I could use and create an account. But that is unrelated. I'll tell you about the issue I've found.
04:53<test>At the section "Example sources.list" of the page I linked, the URLs provided for security are wrong, and don't work. Which is a huge issue, since that is the primary source for people wanting to configure their sources.list file.
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04:54<twb>it looks right to me
04:54<test>At the page "https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBullseye", the correct information is provided: "The format of the /etc/apt/sources.list line for the security repository has changed. It should look something like this:"
04:54<twb>Perhaps your government blocks it?
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04:55<test>So instead of "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security/ bullseye-security main" it should be: "deb https://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main"
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04:55<twb>Both work
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04:56<test>Really? I must have done something wrong in my side then.
04:56<twb>The first one requires you to have access to either Amazon or Fastly CDN, and for DNS SRV records to not be blocked
04:56<twb>We can try to isolate the fault
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04:56<twb>test: this is working for me today 100% definitely: http://ix.io/3Bb5
04:56<test>But why then it is said that "The format of the /etc/apt/sources.list line for the security repository has changed" in the NewInBullseye page? What was the previous format?
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04:57<twb>test: the previous format is "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main contrib non-free"
04:57<twb>The new format is the one I used in my pastebin
04:58<twb>https://manpages.debian.org/stable/apt/sources.list.5.en.html#DEB822-STYLE_FORMAT
04:58<test>And both still work? I'll boot into my Debian system then to check again.
04:58<twb>yes, both still work
05:00<test>Either way, I only managed to discover this because of a software bug in a package present in the stable branch. The package is software-properties-gtk
05:01<test>It comes with the Cinnamon DE by default. If I launch it and change the server to "Brazil" or to the "Main server", it changes my sources.list to a format that doesn't work.
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05:02<twb>test: in general, you should always use deb.debian.org for your apt sources. That uses a CDN which should pick a brazilian server when you are in brazil
05:03<jm_>as in #992181 ?
05:03<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/992181 in software-properties-gtk (open): «software-properties-gtk: Security-Updates-Repository is only recognized when using URL security.debian.org»; severity: normal; opened: 2021-08-15; last modified: 2021-08-15.
05:03<test>Yeah, other guy told me the same thing. But it is still a bug in the package, isn't it?
05:04<twb>test: I just tested it here. It looks like it wrote this out for me: http://ix.io/3Bba
05:06<twb>I recommend you delete /etc/apt/sources.list entirely and put my earlier paste https://github.com/cyberitsolutions/bootstrap2020/blob/main/debian-11.sources into the file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.sources
05:06<twb>and don't use software-properties-gtk at all
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05:07<twb>If you aren't using a local cache, you might want to use "https://" instead of "http://"
05:08<test>You are right indeed, the line provided at https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList is working. I must have tested something wrong previously.
05:09<test>> and don't use software-properties-gtk at all
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05:10<test>Yeah, I came to the same conclusion. But either way, it is a huge issue in a package I used to use and a lot more people are going to use too. So this should be addressed as soon as possible.
05:10<jm_>is it the same as above bug?
05:11<test>It is present in the stable branch after all. It was literally the first thing I did after installing my Debian system and doing a complete backup with Timeshift, and my apt was already broken, and I couldn't download any more packages. :/ I was lucky to have made a backup first, and then I could revert back to the defaults that came with the installation.
05:11<test>@jm_ I don't know, I'll take a look.
05:12<twb>test: I recommend you install "etckeeper" to help revert config screw-ups
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05:14<test>@jm_ Do you mean the bug link provided by @judd? I don't think it is the same bug at all, but I'm dumb and I might be wrong.
05:16<twb>test: you said it wrote out an invalid sources.list. Can you pastebin exactly what it generated?
05:16<test>Yes, but I think it will be easier if I log here using my Debian machine. I'm trying to do that now.
05:16<twb>Sure
05:16<jm_>test: yes, bug 992181
05:17<test>@jm_ Not the same bug.
05:17<jm_>test: ok, I asked in case someone already reported it
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05:17<twb>Based on https://bugs.debian.org/software-properties-gtk it seems to me that package is just crap and never worked
05:17<twb>Or rather: never worked WELL
05:18<twb>It seems like it's written for Fedora or Ubuntu and only grudgingly supports Debian
05:18<test2>Here I am.
05:19<twb>test2: apt install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list.BROKEN # or whatever
05:19<test2>@twb I got used to use that package when I started in GNU/Linux with Ubuntu, then on Mint, and it never failed on me before. Only know I'm seeing that bug on Debian stable with Cinnamon.
05:19<twb>(Or use a GUI if you prefer)
05:19<twb>test2: maybe you can submit patches to fix it :-)
05:20<test2>I guess I'm still too dumb for that right now. I still have lots of things to learn before I can actually contribute to the community.
05:20<test2>I don't even know how to use IRC properly.
05:21<twb>even submitting bugs is contributing :-)
05:22<test2>That's where I'm trying to start! I already submit tons of bugs to projects on github, but other projects in the free software community have some "old-fashioned" ways of doing things that I still find too difficult. Like mailing lists and etc. :/
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05:27<test2>Okay, here is my sources.list right now (and it is working): https://paste.debian.net/hidden/55105447/
05:27<test2>I'm using bookworm right now because I was doing some tests previously (to see if the bug was fixed on testing), but I don't think that matters.
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05:28<twb>test2: I wanted to see the allegedly-broken one, to see how it was broken
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05:32<test2>And here it is the new sources.list file after I check "Download from 'Main server'" on software-properties-gtk: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/0480b027/
05:32<test2>I also included the diff and what happens after I run 'apt update'.
05:33<twb>OK yes
05:33<twb>This is the bug: "http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bookworm-security"
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05:33<twb>It should be "http://deb.debian.org/debian-security/ bookworm-security"
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05:34<test2>Or even the new format said in the /NewinBullseye article, right :T
05:34<twb>sure but that's a bigger change
05:35<test2>When they said the format changed, I thought the old one no longer worked. Maybe that's why I got confused at first.
05:35<twb>When fixing bugs in stable releases, you should aim to only fix the bug, not try to add new features
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05:35<test2>I see.
05:35<twb>because new features = new bugs
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05:36<test2>Is it absolutely required to have and use an e-mail address to report a bug?
05:36<twb>Not strictly speaking
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05:37<twb>You could connect directly to the bug tracker's mail server, and give a false name
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05:38<test2>I have seen other bugs as well that shoud be fixed, since they happen on the stable branch (one of them apparently got fixed in bookworm).
05:38<twb>nc bugs.debian.org 25; HELO gov.br^J^MMAIL FROM:<presidente@gov.br>^J^MRCPT TO:<submit@bugs.debian.org>^J^MDATA^J^M ...
05:39<test2>@twb I don't know what you've written mean :c
05:39<twb>test2: that's how you report a bug by pretending you are president@gov.br
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05:39<twb>test2: then they will get any replies instead of you
05:40<test2>I see. And 'nc' is a terminal-based software to report bugs?
05:40<twb>nc is a tool to connect to a TCP service
05:40<test2>I see.
05:40<twb>for example you could use it as your IRC client if you knew the IRC protocol
05:40<test2>I guess I should just provide my e-mail address instead... But it is a shame to show a Google address to a project like this...
05:41<twb>Debian will not care
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05:41<twb>See all my bugs: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?submitter=trentbuck@gmail.com;archive=both
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05:42<test2>Ok then. Are you going to stay online here for how much time? I need to eat something first, then I could try to understand how to submit bugs if you and others here help me. :)
05:42<test2>for how much longer*
05:42<twb>I should be around a couple hours more
05:43<twb>test2: basically just run "reportbug" and follow the prompts
05:44<test2>I see. Maybe I should revert back to the stable branch first. Can I do this through timeshift with no problems?
05:44<twb>I don't know
05:44<twb>As far as I know, downgrading is not officially supported
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05:45<test2>But I'll be just copying over the different files in my timeshift backup. It makes sense to me that it should work. Well, I guess I'l have to try. xD I'll be back here in ~30 minutes probably. I'll eat something first. See you soon. :)
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05:46<pluswave>twb: update live-tools, same result. Now I am trying live-boot-initramfs-tools.
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05:47<twb>pluswave: sorry I should have dug a bit deeper there
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05:48<twb>pluswave: how exactly is your persistent stuff laid out? You are booting with something like persistence=LABEL=my-persistent-filesystem and that exists and is f2fs?
05:48<twb>pluswave: I know live-boot well but not the persistence part
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05:51<pluswave>twb: just persistence in kernel command line. for ext4 it works well.
05:51<twb>How does it know to use f2fs?
05:51<pluswave>twb: a part with f2fs(ext4) labeled persistence, with a persitence file.
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05:52<pluswave>persistence.conf file
05:52<twb>ah so persistence-label=persistence is the default?
05:52<pluswave>yes
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05:53<twb>OK and then it does find_persistence_media
05:53<twb>pluswave: are you rolling custom images? i.e. can you easily patch the initrd.img?
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05:54<pluswave>yes, I can patch initrd.img .
05:55<twb>Currently my guess is either 1) f2fs.ko driver is not in the initrd.img; or 2) its device isn't enumerated by udev before find_persistence_media; or 3) it for some reason has a name that isn't checked by find_persistence_media
05:55<twb>pluswave: on a working system, "lsmod" and check if it's called "f2fs" or what
05:55<jm_>you can check 1) with lsinitramfs
05:55<twb>pluswave: then "lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img" and check if f2fs.ko is there
05:55<twb>Looks like that is the correct name: /lib/modules/5.10.0-7-amd64/kernel/fs/f2fs/f2fs.ko
05:56<twb>You can check (2) roughly by booting with "break=top" or "break=bottom" and inspecting the state
05:56<twb>I'm assuming you're using initramfs-tools, not dracut.
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05:58<pluswave>twb: should be 1, missing f2fs.ko in initrd.img. I will do more test.
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05:59<twb>pluswave: OK if that is the case, you just need to build with f2fs in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
06:00<twb>pluswave: I don't know why that would have changed for bullseye.
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06:19<pluswave>I think this change log make sense.
06:19<twb>pluswave: nice catch
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06:26<tjcarter>I think my ISP might be done randomly unplugging wires for the night 😛
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06:33<twb>now they're just back to the regular nonrandom unplugging
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06:43<tubnob>!dpkg repositories
06:43<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Bullseye" has three lines: "deb https://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main" "deb https://deb.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main" "deb https://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <bullseye-updates> and `man sources.list`.
06:47<mjt>!dpkg apt.conf
06:47<dpkg>it has been said that apt.conf is see man 5 apt.conf
06:48<mjt>why doesn't dpkg know about a "good" content for apt.conf for bullseye? :)
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06:49<tubnob>i like old synaptic package manager better
06:50<tubnob>now you can select by default non free options
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06:50<mjt>you always can select non-free "options", since the day one :)
06:50<tjcarter>twb: yeth.
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06:51<tubnob>but before you had to manually link to non free repos right?
06:51<mjt>link to?
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06:51<mjt>it's a single word in sources.list
06:52<mjt>"deb https://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main contrib non-free"
06:52<grove>mjt: Possibly because what is "good" is quite subjective, and it's rare to get that totally fucked up (also I have a bunch of files in `/etc/apt/apt.conf.d` but nu `apt.conf`)
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06:53<mjt>aptitude definitely has its good sides over apt
06:54<mjt>but picking non-free "by default" is hardly one of them :)
06:54<grove>s/nu/no/
06:54<mjt>and the way how you manage your apt.conf is up to you
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06:55<jhweruyuw>hi gays
06:55<jhweruyuw>guys
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06:55<jhweruyuw>lol sorry
06:55<mjt>stuff in foo.d/ is usually for automated installs
06:55<mjt>stuff in foo.conf is for manual editing
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07:19<spawacz>Can i force apt to install 2 incompatible packages? I've inspected the contents and I'm not worried about issues
07:19<bremner>spawacz: you can use dpkg
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07:20<twb>You probably shouldn't, though
07:21<twb>What two package?
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07:21<spawacz>libpq-dev for 2 different architectures
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07:21<spawacz>it should be compatible but is not because of single file in /usr/bin that is redundant
07:21<bremner>ah, this is the 1 year of multiarch will save 10 minutes setting up a VM plan?
07:22<spawacz>i dont need vms or chroots for that
07:22<spawacz>i dont need entire sysroot, only the development packages
07:22<bremner>you also don't need support for the resulting system, I assume
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07:22<bremner>cuz I don't think anyone will be happy to answer questions about the result.
07:23<spawacz>i won' have questions ;p
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07:23<zeev>gnome seems to use a separate user to access internet (e.g. Help pages of different apps) , not the user logged in... (as I drop all packages for the logged in user, but one still access the Help pages online)... What user does gnome use for it on Debian?
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07:25<jkc>"drop all packages for the logged in user" Not sure what this means.
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07:27<zeev>with iptables
07:27<zeev>block them
07:27<jkc>What?
07:27<jkc>You're not making any sense. What are you trying to do?
07:28<zeev>iptables -A OUTPUT ! -o lo -m owner --uid-owner user -j DROP
07:28<zeev>block internet for the user "user"
07:29<zeev>but there is a hole via gnome, as it seems to use another account to access internet, not the logged in "user"
07:30<zeev>any ideas?
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07:33<jkc>Perhaps. I'd like to see your entire ruleset, iptables -L -v -n. Also the output of 'ip a'.
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07:38<tubnob>i may have bricked something after upgrading, i'm getting this error while unlocking disk: "the root filesystem on /dev/mapper/debian--vg-root requires a manual fsck
07:39<zeev>jkc: will this help you to know how gnome accesses internet?
07:39<zeev>there is no rule for it in iptables
07:40<jkc>zeev: I wouldn't have asked for that information if it wouldn't help me understand the issue. You're assuming that gnome has another user. Everything that I know says that that's not true.
07:41<jkc>zeev: So I'm not assuming that you're correct, and I'm starting from what's known. I await that information. :)
07:44<l4mRh4X0r>zeev: Also, are you sure it's accessing the internet instead of using local files?
07:44<zeev>you can verify it very easily - run: iptables -A OUTPUT ! -o lo -m owner --uid-owner $USERNAME -j DROP
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07:44<zeev>then go to any gnome app and access it website via About->Credits menu
07:45<zeev>l4mRh4X0r: yes quite sure
07:46<l4mRh4X0r>Then there's probably some other iptables rule allowing the access.
07:47<jkc>zeev: Please provide the information I've asked for.
07:47<zeev>it's not on the computer I'm using right now... so I can't...
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07:48<jkc>Then how would you expect to get help? Gnome doesn't use a different user. Gnome is running as the user that's logged in.
07:48<jkc>So your issue lies somewhere else.
07:48<zeev>but I'm pretty sure that I have not added any other rules
07:49<jkc>When you're at the system, feel free to come back, and be prepared to provide the information I requested previously.
07:49<zeev>do you mind to conduct the experiment above? iptables -A OUTPUT ! -o lo -m owner --uid-owner $USERNAME -j DROP
07:49<zeev>+ gedit -> About -> Website
07:49<jkc>zeev: No. You're still proceeding as if you're right, and that's not an assumption that should be made. XY problem.
07:51<l4mRh4X0r>I mean, jkc is a bit blunt about it (probably because he's just battle hardened ;)), but he's right
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07:57<zeev_>https://paste.debian.net/1214743/
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07:58<jkc>And 'ip a', please.
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08:01<zeev_>https://paste.debian.net/1214744
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08:01<jkc>Hahaha called it.
08:01<jkc>You're only blocking IPv4 for that user, not IPv6.
08:01<jkc>iptables != ip6tables.
08:01<jkc>You need to add a similar ip6tables rule.
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08:03<zeev>ok... interesting... regular browsing is blocked... but not the one initiated via gnome
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08:04<zeev>I'd expect everything to work if IPv6 is used in the case IPv4 is not available
08:04<jkc>You're operating under the assumption that everything on the internet is available over ipv6. It is most certainly not.
08:04<jkc>You have your answer.
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08:06<zeev>thank you
08:06<zeev>maybe you also have the rule for IPv6?
08:07<jkc>Should be very similar, just using the 'ip6tables' command.
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08:11<l4mRh4X0r>Huh, so residential connections actually do get IPv6 assigned nowadays
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08:11<jkc>I've had residential v6 for years.
08:11<Guest2205>morjen
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08:13<danielssan>l4mRh4X0r: it really depends on the provider
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08:20<Guest1247>what's the recommended tool to take a sparse image of a hdd these days?
08:23<sussudio>Guest1247: the only reference to sparse images i see, concerns android.
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08:24<jm_>Guest1166: clonezilla can do that
08:24<jkc>dd_rescue
08:25<jkc>or ddrescue. Different tools, similar functions. Sparse file support included.
08:25<jkc>Ex: ddrescue -S -b8Mi /dev/sda1 /mount/external/backup/sda1.raw ~/sda1.rescue.log
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08:27<jkc>Guest1247: The log parameter at the end allows you to stop and resume the process.
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09:57<Glanzmann>Hello; I would like to encrypt my root filesystem and keep the encryption key on a usb stick. Is there a good guide how to to do that on bullseye?
10:00<bremner>looking for "keyfile" in the cryptsetup docs (/usr/share/doc/cryptsetup) may help
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10:03<Glanzmann>bremner: Thank you.
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10:23<redstar>the #debian channel on Libera is run by scammers
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10:24<redstar>it has absolutely nothing to do with debian
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10:30<sussudio>andrew lee should seek mental help. doesn't he have anything better to do than this?
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10:31<somiaj>most likely someone pretendeding to be them.
10:32<sussudio>somiaj: not sure if it's someone pretending. when you buy libera.net from some random italian company just to pretend to be libera.chat, and redirect it to freenode, you're already gone.
10:32<jkc>Freenode is now just a redirect as well.
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10:57<mooff>what??
10:58<jkc>chat.freenode.net. 290 IN CNAME irc.joseon.kr.
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10:59<jkc>He literally CNAMEd freenode.net to the domain of his fake pretender kingdom.
10:59<jkc>Sorry, this went (started) way off topic.
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11:01<mooff>i was baffled again at the homepage last night, but opted not to share it to give it less energy. https://i.awful.cooking/47a74f6df9bdb79b/Freenode.png
11:01<mooff>"the oldest nation in the world since 1392"? what about Egypt? China?
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11:02<mooff>buying libera.net is so goddamned cynical
11:02<thrill>hello
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11:06<arh>HELP SENDPASS
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11:07<mooff>hey thrill, what's up
11:07<mooff>!ask
11:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:11<thrill>Fine !
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11:13<thrill>Just trying to install Steam on my Debian 11 stable, and I feel like I could eat my keyboard as I don't understand what's wrong :D
11:14<mooff>cool lol, where have you gotten to
11:14<somiaj>how are you trying to install steam? Lets start of there
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11:16<thrill>(my knowledge in command lines stayed to MSDOS world on my 386sx you know... hehe)
11:16<thrill>well, I started from TERM in SU mode
11:17<thrill>"apt install steam" worked
11:18<thrill>when I retype it, term tells me that it's already installed
11:18<thrill>when I go into my apps menu, I see the icon and can launch it
11:20<thrill>then a window appears and tells me that additionnal libraries have to be installed
11:21<mooff>does it give instructions for how to do so?
11:21<thrill>then it asks me to type my user password
11:22<thrill>but when I type my password, I get the following message :
11:23<thrill>"username" does not appear into sudoers file. This incident will be signaled.
11:24<thrill>(translated the message from french to english)
11:26<thrill>I get stucked at this point, as an another window opens from Steam and download the latest version with progression bar, and at the very end, it tells me that additionnal packages are missing and Steam may not be fonctionnal
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11:26<thrill>and... It is very not fonctionnal in fact :D
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11:27<thrill>(sorry for flooding...)
11:28<mooff>it's okay. you probably need i386 libraries installed, so it can fully support 32bit games (which is especially a lot of games you will run under Proton)
11:28<Sqrt{not}>thrill: go back to your SU terminal, and run this command: adduser thrill sudo
11:28<Sqrt{not}>(or whatever your local username is on that machine, if not "thrill")
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11:29<thrill>ok, let's try this :)
11:29<Sqrt{not}>then logout completely, and login again
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11:30<thrill>@moof I have the libraries list and there are several i386 names
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11:32<thrill>"unavailable command" (translated from "commande introuvable")
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11:33<Sqrt{not}>thrill, what version of debian are you running?
11:33<thrill>Debian 11 bulleyes stable
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11:34<thrill>(installed from an ISO burned on DVD and I have another problem with updating apt I think...)
11:35<nickgaw>Hi, I managed to install this debian stable system with LVM disk encryption but /boot is ext2 and not ext4 should I convert that partition to ext4 and why do I only have one gig of swap and it is not using the 8 gig SSD drive as swap space and can that be added to the vg swap group?
11:35<Sqrt{not}>hmmm, try in your SU terminal: apt install adduser
11:37<thrill>@Sqrt{not} just tried it and it tells me that it's already installed :|
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11:38<thrill>the exact line is :
11:38<Sqrt{not}>did you run it in the SU terminal?
11:38<thrill>bash: adduser: commande introuvable
11:38<thrill>in root mode yep
11:38<Sqrt{not}>or in the " TERM in SU mode " (whatever that is) ?
11:38<jmux>thrill: the "su shell" should be "su -", otherwise it keeps your user environment, incl. the path
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11:41<thrill>ok, I just tried with Xterm and that works
11:42<thrill>(the adduser command)
11:43<thrill>I log out and come back in a few seconds :)
11:43<thrill>exit
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11:46<thrill>back
11:48<thrill>so, using Xterm seems to work a lot more than Term, "Package Install" accepted my password this time, thanks to adduser command lien
11:48<mooff>bien revenue et bon chance
11:48<mooff>it's not because of xterm vs Term, it's purely because of the adduser command
11:48<mooff>it added your user to the sudo group, which allows you to use sudo :)
11:49<thrill>Ok, it works now I reached the Steam window asking my account settings
11:49<mooff>sudo is the program that Steam used to prompt for your password, so it could do admin stuff (install the packages..)
11:49<thrill>well, ok I get it :)
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11:50<thrill>thanks guys, I was sure IRC would be better than forums !
11:51<mooff>when you create a new user, the difference between it being considered a 'standard' or an 'admin' user is whether it's in the sudo group :)
11:51<thrill>you rock ;)
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11:51<mooff>you will see everywhere in guides, 'sudo this', 'sudo that'
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11:52<thrill>ok, wouldn't it be added by default or is it normal to add it manually with a commande ?
11:52<mooff>the user you make during installation will be a sudo user by default
11:52<thrill>yeah, I used it a little with Ubuntu by the past
11:52<Sqrt{not}>not by default, you don't want EVERY user to be administrator
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11:53<thrill>right
11:54<thrill>many thanks to you guys, I can really use Debian and no more Windows10 on my main computer now :)
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11:55<thrill>I installed Spotify easily, now with Steam it's 100% operational ;)
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11:57<thrill>do you know any compatible debian monitoring software to use with ELM327 module (you know for use with ODB plug in my car)
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12:04<nickgaw>Is the source for this dpkg and other bots on this channel arund for people to look at?
12:05<Sqrt{not}>nickgaw, yes. are you interested in the program source code, or in the library of factoids it can answer?
12:06<nickgaw>both to look at it on my own system.
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12:06<blast007>!search dpkg
12:06<dpkg>You can search my database on the web at http://ircbots.debian.net/ or on IRC by asking me about <help listkeys> and <help-listvals>. My factoids are available at https://dpkg.donarmstrong.com/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are there. See also <search>.
12:07<nickgaw>What about the dpkg bot source code?
12:07<mooff>thrill: the software from Elm seems to be available for Linux: https://www.elmelectronics.com/help/obd/software/
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12:07<mooff>!infobot
12:07<dpkg>Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See http://infobot.sf.net/ for more.
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12:08<Sqrt{not}>also: http://www.infobot.org/guide-0.43.x.html
12:08<nickgaw>If I wanted to run dpkg bot with all of the facts on my own system with my own local irc server for testing purposes can I do this?
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12:09<thrill>Great, will take a look later
12:09<thrill>Have a good day all and thanks again for your great support ;)
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12:11<drm>I see that deb12 has been released. Id like to upgrade from 11 to 12. I cannot find instructions specifically for an 11->12 upgrade, but did find this doc for a 10->11 upgrade. Does anyone know if the procedure would be different? https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/update-upgrade-debian-10-to-debian-11-bullseye/
12:12<danielssan>drm: debian 12 was not released
12:12<danielssan>testing is bookworm (which will get released as 12 at some point)
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12:13<drm>oh, ok
12:13<Sqrt{not}>%testing
12:13<dselect>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <bookworm>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net; ask me about <testing faq> <bullseye->bookworm> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical!
12:14<nickgaw>The infobot site is just for the bot not the dpkg facts database is this around for downloading and viewing?
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12:14<Sqrt{not}>nickgaw, see what the bot said above, about donarmstrong's website
12:14<blast007>nickgaw: read above. I triggered a factoid that has the download information for the data.
12:14<nickgaw>I got that.
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12:15<thrill>exit
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12:20<nickgaw>That site has apt dumpts with no directions on setting up my own infobot on my local irc server?
12:22<sussudio>read the INSTALL file that comes with the bot.
12:22<nickgaw>ok
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12:32<nickgaw>I did a test of installing build-essential on a virtual maching and tried then to remove it and gcc and other packages were not removed so how is the proper method to remove all packages installed by build-essential?
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12:37<mooff>nickgaw: apt autoremove
12:37<mooff>look out for "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:" when you apt remove something - indicates what can now be autoremoved
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12:42<g00se>Wondering what to do about getting stable as a USB image such that it will boot with a Vista-era BIOS?
12:43<sney>the normal procedure should be fine as long as the machine supports usb booting
12:43<sney>debian images support both legacy bios and efi
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12:44<g00se>I tried various sticks on this box and the only one i could get to boot was an EFi-free Clonezilla
12:44<blast007>g00se: how are you writing the ISO to the USB?
12:45<g00se>It didn't even see the Debian Live I have. Didn't see the latest System Rescue CD either
12:45<nickgaw>No install file exists with infobot justa readme file with lots of great instructions and just the guide on how to message it so would opening up infobot in nano to correct things be the best thing to do to start this bot on my own irc system?
12:45<g00se>Ages since i did so, but i probably used cat
12:46<g00se>(Followed by sync)
12:48<blast007>g00se: which version of Debian are you trying to install on the system?
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12:48<sney>nickgaw: you'll need to set up the infobot normally by following the infobot instructions, and then import the factoids from one of those dump files. there isn't a "guide" for this, because it's not something that most people need to do. but it's probably pretty straightforward if you take it a step at a time.
12:48<g00se>Buster
12:48<blast007>why not the current stable?
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12:52<Sqrt{not}>g00se, for current stable (bullseye) see: https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/installmanual for oldstable (buster) https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/installmanual
12:53<g00se>I feel stupid. I somehow haven't noticed stable moving to oldstable ;)
12:53<Sqrt{not}>g00se, do you want a live image, or do you want to install debian?
12:53<g00se>THe latter
12:53<nickgaw>build-essential installed but when removing it it only removes 3 packages with autoremove why is this?
12:53<Sqrt{not}>OK, good. those web guides will answer many of your questions
12:55<sney>nickgaw: because other packages you have installed have a Suggests relationship with those packages, so they stay installed. it is standard debian practice to leave things installed, rather than remove something that you might not know you're using.
12:55<g00se>I can get Bullseye but if this BIOS won't see a Buster installer, then I don't hold out much hope
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12:55<blast007>g00se: I'd start with making sure the ISO is written to the USB correctly.
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12:56<blast007>some software (like Rufus) can mangle the image
12:56<jkc>Rufus is fine when used in DD mode.
12:56<jkc>In ISO mode, yes, there be dragons.
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12:57<g00se>blast007: I've never had any trouble with Buster installer/Buster Live before
12:58<Sqrt{not}>g00se, can you boot other USB images from this old bios?
12:58<g00se>No. Only the old Clonezilla I mentioned
12:59<jkc>g00se: Please explain *exactly* how you're writing the image to USB.
12:59<g00se>cat x.iso >/dev/sdc;sync
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13:00<Sqrt{not}>g00se, if there are not any boot options settings you could adjust in that BIOS, can the machine boot from CD/DVD ?
13:01<g00se>Yes it will but I don't want the faff of creating an optical disk
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13:03<jkc>And I can't think of any reason that cat'ing the ISO to media would cause a problem.
13:04<Sqrt{not}>g00se, what is the CPU in that box? what is the BIOS?
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13:04<g00se>I've got a shell to it. Let me see what i can find out
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13:05<g00se>Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E6300 @ 2.80GHz
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13:06<jkc>Whoa. Blast from the past.
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13:06<g00se>Not quite sure how I can query the BIOS
13:08<klysm>for pre-acpi machines the bios stored its options in cmos, /dev/nvram
13:08<g00se>DMI: Dell Inc. OptiPlex 380 /0HN7XN, BIOS A01 03/11/2010
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13:09<Sqrt{not}>that should be new enough. are you booting the i386 versions of debian?
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13:10<g00se>That's a good question ;) I think not. But I'm not convinced this box IS i386
13:10<blast007>E6300 is a 64-bit CPU
13:11<g00se>My script is64bit returns true
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13:12<jkc>It is a 64-bit CPU, yes.
13:13<blast007>the A01 BIOS would be the original BIOS version. There is an A07.
13:14<g00se>Right. Would definitely want to steer clear of trying to update it though
13:14<blast007>actually they might start numbering at A00, but still newer versions available.
13:14<jkc>g00se: Why?
13:14<g00se>Error prone, hassle etc.
13:14<jkc>As someone with almost two decades of infrastructure experience... Uh, what?
13:15<g00se>Probably have to write a floppy won't I to do that?
13:15<jkc>BIOS updates, especially on Optis, is a triviality.
13:15<jkc>No. USB.
13:16<g00se>Ah OK. But is it really worth it and will it definitely solve the USB boot problem?
13:17<jkc>Those are orthogonal questions. Is it worth it? Yes. Will it solve the problem? Maybe.
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13:18<g00se>Hmm OK. So save the BIOS image to FAT USB and good to go?
13:18<jkc>You'll need to create a minimal DOS bootable environment on USB, then copy the file to it.
13:19<jkc>Depending on the host OS, that's varying levels of easy.
13:19<g00se>Vista
13:19<jkc>Rufus, has a FreeDOS builder.
13:19<blast007>is Vista still on the PC?
13:19<g00se>Yes
13:19<blast007>then you can literally just run the BIOS update file from Vista
13:19<g00se>I'm surprised it works
13:19<g00se>Ah right
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13:20<jkc>Oh, it works that way?
13:20<jkc>Cool.
13:20<blast007>yup
13:20<jkc>I've NEVER run Windows on one. All Linux.
13:21<blast007>:)
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13:22<g00se>Well the idea is to give him stable instead of Vista
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13:24<sussudio>so... XP?
13:25<g00se>Hehheh. Thanks for your fantastic help folks. I think I'll do the BIOS update
13:25<sussudio>debian installs and works fine on a vista-era laptop btw.
13:25<sussudio>i installed it from an usb stick
13:25<g00se>Right
13:25<mooff>Vista! :)
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13:26<sussudio>just make sure the usb stick is first in the bios boot sequence
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13:26<Sqrt{not}>debian installs and works fine on my Pentium III 686
13:26<mooff>(oh yeah? well just yesterday i installed it on my toaster...)
13:27<jkc>"We're going to die!" - Moss
13:27<Sqrt{not}>(won't boot from its USB 1.6, so I had to burn a DVD-RW)
13:27<mooff>i'll just put over here with the..rest.. of the fire
13:27<jkc>mooff++
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13:27<nickgaw>Are enterprise hard drives better then normal consumer ones?
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13:28<danielssan>nickgaw: what do you mean by better?
13:28<sussudio>the difference between a samsung "normal" and "enterprise" drive was a vibration sensor in the 1.5TB era...
13:28<blast007>nickgaw: that's a complicated question
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13:29<sussudio>and that gave you 7 years warranty instead of 5.
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13:29<mooff>jkc: i'm sorry, are you from the past??
13:30<blast007>mooff: aren't we all?
13:30<mooff>good point
13:30<blast007>:)
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13:33<jkc>You do know how a button works don't you? No, not on clothes.
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13:35<nickgaw>I mean failier rate is lower.
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13:36<nickgaw>So enterprise drives do not have a longer lasting rate from comsumer drives?
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13:41<jkc>The quoted inrecoverable error rate for consumer drives is typically 1e-15, whereas for "enterprise" drives its typically 1e-16. That said, URE values are very rarely indicative of reality.
13:42<nickgaw>So just don't buy an enterprise drive because it won't fail as often?
13:44<blast007>nickgaw: for a car analogy, what you're asking is "Which is the best vehicle?"
13:44<nickgaw>ok so enterprise drives are not better over all right?
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13:45<blast007>I feel like you're ignoring what we say
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13:46<Sqrt{not}>since nickgaw is installing the 'bots, lets ask them:
13:46<Sqrt{not}>%enterprise
13:46<dselect>enterprise is, like, a marketing buzzword which means "big, expensive, complex, and so full of bugs that you require a support contract to keep it running", or dict says an organization created for business ventures. check http://wiki.debian.org/Enterprise
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13:47<nickgaw>No I am not just trying to understand for data backing up and usage for compilation and usage are they better tat that or is it mainly the type of systems they are used in?
13:47<mooff>may be slightly better, but YMMW
13:47<nickgaw>The enterprise do cost more.
13:47<mooff></summary>
13:48<Sqrt{not}>%potd17
13:48<Sqrt{not}>%qotd17
13:48<dselect><greycat> I will not run it on Solaris. I will not run it in Madrid or Paris. I will not run the Enterprise. I do not like it in my eyes.
13:48<blast007>nickgaw: there are a LOT of variables with storage media so we can't say "x is better than y"
13:49<nickgaw>I am looking for drives who have a much lower failier rate so would an enterprise drive be a better one to get for that purposes as I have lots of data i don't want to lose and would like the drive to be able to work all of the time powered on and running like enterprise drives can do in large servers?
13:50<nickgaw>understandable
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13:50<jkc>Backblaze, a company that goes through an incredible number of drives, calculated in 2018 that the annualized failure rate of consumer vs. enterprise drives (from the same manufacturer, same size), was 1.1% vs 1.0%, +/- 0.2%. The difference, statistically, was within the margin of error.
13:50<nickgaw>So don't just go by the type and rating of the drive?
13:50<blast007>nickgaw: https://www.backblaze.com/b2/hard-drive-test-data.html
13:50<jkc>blast007++
13:51<nickgaw>ok not much of a difference.
13:51<Sqrt{not}>nickgaw, also: " I have lots of data i don't want to lose" means don't forget to make backups, no matter what kind of disk drives
13:52<blast007>now.. *features* of the drives might make you decide to go with enterprise (or at least NAS) drives
13:52<nickgaw>I do make backups locally and to the cloud.
13:52<nickgaw>I never store important data on my internal computer drive.
13:52<jkc>My rule of thumb is that if the same event can destroy my live data and my backups, I don't have backups.
13:52<nickgaw>yes
13:53<blast007>normal consumer drives generally don't do as well with RAID configurations, for instance
13:53<blast007>enterprise drives may also be more straight forward with specs
13:53<bentham>blast007: I've been using Western Digital Black for this purpose for a long time. Do you have a better idea?
13:54<blast007>bentham: I used WD Black for my normal systems as well
13:54<blast007>for ny NAS I'm using WD Red Pro drives
13:54<bentham>What makes Red Pro better than Black?
13:54<sussudio>they're the same drives, just different firmware
13:54<blast007>some of the non-Pro WD Red they secretly changed to SMR
13:55<blast007>bentham: RAID support
13:55<bentham>oh, SMR, blecch
13:55<bentham>blast007: I use software raid (mdadm)
13:55<blast007>so do I
13:56<nickgaw>If I am not using them in a raid should I worry about SMR drives as I have read that sometimes they don't play nice with normal file systems?
13:57<blast007>nickgaw: you probably don't want an SMR drive *at all*
13:58<nickgaw>Why not for general storage?
13:58<blast007>they have lower write performance when you're overwriting old data, since the tracks literally overlap. So they have to rewrite multiple tracks to update data on one track.
13:59<blast007>it allows the manufacturer to cram more data onto fewer platters
13:59<jkc>I do not trust SMR drives, period.
14:00<jkc>They have been nothing but problems in nearly any use case.
14:00<bentham>blast007: How about non-Pro Black?
14:01<blast007>bentham: I don't generally buy hard drives for my normal PCs now
14:01<bentham>blast007: ...but how do you store data?
14:01<bentham>*boggle*
14:01<blast007>SSDs
14:02<bentham>blast007: What capacity? Can you send me an example?
14:02<bentham>er, send here.
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14:02<blast007>between 120GB and 2TB..
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14:03<bentham>Ah, OK. I usually buy larger than that. (but smaller than 10TB)
14:04<bentham>Samsung? Kingston?
14:04<blast007>as with the capacity.. it varies..
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14:19<lemur>hey
14:20<lemur>hey guys
14:22<sney>hi
14:23<lemur>hi
14:23<sney>do you have a debian question?
14:24<lemur>debian is the best distro for me man
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14:26<lemur>what are you doing here
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14:27<bentham>lemur: Asking and answering technical questions about Debian.
14:27<bentham>That is the purpose of this channel.
14:27<lemur>i have the question
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14:29<lemur>could i put a recent repository list on an old distro
14:29<bentham>lemur: you mean, in /etc/sources.list?
14:30<bentham>You can upgrade by doing that
14:30<lemur>yes
14:30<bentham>You should do this one release at a time.
14:30<bentham>e.g. from stretch to buster to bullseye
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14:31<bentham>not from stretch directly to bullseye
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14:32<Guest2243>good after noon
14:32<Guest2243>i want help with this error
14:33<Guest2243>edac 64 error 1601 f1 not found broken bios?
14:33<lemur>for example adding new repositories to sources.list without problem with apt
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14:34<bentham>lemur: that isn't generally advisable. Either upgrade, or don't.
14:34<bentham>You might be able to get away with installing a small number of packages from a more recent distribution, but in general this will tend to pull you into the more recent distribution.
14:35<sney>!dontbreakdebian
14:35<dpkg>it has been said that dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
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14:35<lemur>ok thanks
14:36<bentham>lemur: look at 'Some safer ways to install software not available in Debian Stable'
14:36<bentham>and if you're in oldstable, or something older than that, please do consider migrating to stable.
14:36<bentham>(stable is bullseye)
14:37<bentham>(currently)
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14:37<sussudio>Guest2243: google it.
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14:42<anjan>Hi all, I have installed debian stable. Im using dwm, with startx and a custom xinit. I cannot get dbus to work
14:42<anjan>echo $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS returns nothing
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14:42<anjan>I have dbus related packages installed
14:43<anjan>I used to use a distro without systemd. How do I get the DBUS env variables set?
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14:44<sarnold>anjan: stuff something like this into your xinitrc https://stackoverflow.com/a/41244272/377270 "export $(dbus-launch)
14:44<sussudio>anjan: is dbus started
14:44<A|an>!MrAtoz Python Crash Course A Hands-On, Project-Based Introduction to Programming 2nd Edition «49FB9F59».epub
14:44<A|an>!MrAtoz Python Crash Course A Hands-On, Project-Based Introduction to Programming 2nd Edition «4C2B9585».pdf
14:45<anjan>sarnold: that would launch a new dbus instance rather than using the one already set by systemd no?
14:45<sussudio>what are you doing A|an
14:45<sarnold>anjan: oh, I thought you weren't doing systemd..
14:45<ansgar>anjan: Install dbus-user-session and libpam-systemd. That should give a working dbus instance when you log in.
14:45<anjan>sussudio: ps aux | grep dbus returns multiple dbus-daemons
14:45<anjan>sarnold: I am now that Im debian
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14:45<anjan>ansgar: both are installed and at newest version
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14:46<anjan>so I just logged out
14:46<anjan>and set my shell to bash
14:47<anjan>and I do get my $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS set
14:47<anjan>but when I use zsh, it's not set
14:47<anjan>any help?
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14:51<sney>maybe look in the global bashrc for clues, or there may be some documentation online describing an extra step for zsh
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14:56<anjan>Im switching to bash lol
14:56<anjan>couldnt find anything online
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15:16<ha3mak>hi
15:16<ha3mak>I have some problem with debconf noninteractive interface
15:16<ha3mak>I'dl like to configure tzdata and locales unattended mode
15:17<ha3mak>I made a preseed config file, containing this:
15:17<ha3mak>tzdata tzdata/Areas select Europe
15:17<ha3mak>tzdata tzdata/Zones/Europe select Budapest
15:17<ha3mak>the I applied it with debconf-set-selections mypreseed.txt
15:17<ha3mak>and ran dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
15:17<ha3mak>but the result was Etc/UTC
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15:18<ha3mak>I got the same result with the locales or keyboard-interactive package...
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15:47<jeff__>Hello guyz (or girlz)
15:48<jeff__>I need help to configure my Fn keys on my laptop Lenovo with mate-volume-control-icon
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15:49<jeff__>I didn't connect to an IRC chat for years !!
15:50<jeff__>Ad i think i'm alone
15:50<sarnold>you're not :)
15:50<sarnold>it's just people come and go..
15:50<sarnold>I've never used mate so I'm not an ideal candidate to help, hehe
15:51<jeff__>thanks for your answer ;)
15:51<mooff>many of us are looking on, hoping *someone else* helps you :)
15:51<babilen>Might help to elaborate as to what is happening (or not) if you use those keys
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15:53<tuxd3v>hello guys,
15:54<tuxd3v>I have a kavery cpu with integrated amd r7 graphics
15:54<tuxd3v>when I try to update initramfs
15:54<tuxd3v>I get this warnings:
15:54<tuxd3v>https://paste.debian.net/hidden/43d941de/
15:55<tuxd3v>does any one knows how to solve it?
15:55<tuxd3v>I already installed firmware-amd-graphics package, but doesn'tsolve the problem :/
15:55<sarnold>tuxd3v: do things otherwise seem to work fine? those are warnings, and only important if your card actually needs one of those
15:55<jeff__>@tuxd3v : i've also this messages but everything is doing well
15:57<jeff__>@tux3dv : according to research i've done, it's "usual"
15:57<tuxd3v>for what I understand the integrated graphics in amd A10 APU is a r7 graphics, southern island?maybe? but the warnings are about knew graphics for what I can tell
15:57<tuxd3v>knew -> new
15:58<tuxd3v>i have a 'AMD A10-7800 Radeon R7' APU
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15:58<tuxd3v>yeah maybe I can reboot safely
15:59<jeff__>for sure
16:00<mooff>jeff__: your Fn keys will either be sending F1-F12, or acting as media keys
16:01<mooff>the latter should already be handled by xfce, and if you *really* wanted, you could probably hook the former
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16:01<jeff__>i've no problemm with sound, and FN keys are correctly detected when pressed (according to debug)
16:01<mooff>it's usually possible to switch them so they are one or the other by default. then holding Fn will make them do the other
16:02<mooff>so what do you need? :)
16:03<tuxd3v>I will try to reboot :)
16:03<tuxd3v>thanks
16:04<jeff__>well, only Fn keys related to sound dont work. The Fn keys related to screen bright are functionning, also the plane mode. My distro is CB++ (debian bullseye).
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16:04<blast007>!crunchbang
16:04<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbangplusplus.org/ https://www.reddit.com/r/crunchbangplusplus/ See <based on debian>.
16:07<mooff>i'd guess the keys are working, but adjusting levels of an output you don't expect
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16:10<lemur>hey
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16:11<lemur>i have a problem for install git
16:11<lemur>this problem
16:11<lemur>404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.242.132 80]
16:11<lemur>Err:4 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian buster/main amd64 git amd64 1:2.20.1-2
16:11<lemur> 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.242.132 80]
16:11<lemur>Fetched 160 kB in 1s (274 kB/s)
16:11<lemur>E: Failed to fetch http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/git/git-man_2.20.1-2_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.242.132 80]
16:11-!-lemur was kicked from #debian by debchange [flood detected]
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16:12<mooff>what about setting +b, but not kicking, when someone pastes?
16:12<ansgar>Or just +q.
16:12<mooff>(can you still talk with a +b? can't recall)
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16:13<jeff__>for sure it can be frustrating
16:13<ansgar>lemur: I assume you never installed security updates? :)
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16:13<plaur>jeff__: not sure if you can press the keys directly in mate (there's a keyboard shortcuts config in preferences/hardware). if that doesn't help, see https://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Configuring_keyboards#Enabling_Keyboard_Multimedia_Keys
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16:15<sarnold>yeah the kick feels a bit agressive
16:15<jeff__>@plaur : thx. I'll will explore that
16:15<blast007>the kick may be to clear their message send buffer.
16:15<mooff>+q looks good. plus some words from !paste
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16:17*mooff hadn't expanded the mode change in his client, to see +q was already used :)
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16:20<plaur>jeff__: you're welcome. this is mostly related to kernel and acpi, pretty much distro-independent (although some distros might have better support than others due to newer kernel)
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16:23<bindiv>hi
16:23<jeff__>well, Fn keys are correctly detected : https://paste.debian.net/1214802 . I think I now need to configure mate-volume-control
16:23<mooff>i guess the kick without +b was done when the most popular clients tended to insta-rejoin
16:24<sarnold>wb bindiv; it's better to use a pastebin site when you've got to post more than two or three lines
16:24<mooff>not sure that's the case any more.. in any case, it tends to be newbies that trigger it, and the kick / loss of context will confuse them
16:25<bindiv>E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
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16:26<bindiv>i try apt-get update not working
16:27<plaur>jeff__: that actually looks good. if you go to preferences/hardware/keyboard shortscuts and scroll almost to the end of the list, you'll see "volume down" and "volume up". select them and press your keys, hopefully that helps
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16:28<plaur>jeff__: my microsoft natural keyboard 3000 worked out of the box (desktop system here)
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16:31<sarnold>bindiv: httpredir has been discontinued https://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror
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16:34<plaur>bindiv: you can use deb.debian.org (replace httpredir with deb in your sources.list and run apt update again)
16:34<mooff>i like those microsoft keyboards
16:34<mooff>i use a wireless one
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16:36<plaur>mooff: microsoft makes very nice keyboard and mice. i hear the cherry mechanical ones are better (this one is a bit mushy), but my mouse still works after 10 years, while the logitechs all died after 2-5 years in the past
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16:40<bindiv>thanks
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16:42<mooff>plaur: today i use a microsoft sculpt keyboard + a logitech m570 trackball that sits well on the keyboard rest. makes a very nice portable pair
16:42<mooff>(though if we keep up this talk we'll have to tell ourselves off and move to -offtopic)
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16:45<bindiv>The program 'gnome-shell' received an X Window System error.
16:45<bindiv>what is
16:45<sarnold>hopefully there's more details in the /var/log/Xorg.* files
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16:49<ax562>moof m570 rocks
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16:50<mooff>deffo. my next will probably be an mx ergo :D
16:50<bindiv>what is the last version of linux
16:50<jeff__>plaur : my keyboard mapping seems ok (xmodconf : https://paste.debian.net/1214805) but doesn't doing anything (even after reloaded keymap) :( Need to explore further
16:51<somiaj>bindiv: this is a debian support channel. The latest version of debian is 11, which was released a few months ago and uses the linux kernel 5.10
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16:53<mooff>jeff__: does the volume applet work when you use it with the mouse?
16:53<bindiv>yes indeed i meant the latest version of the linux kernel
16:54<somiaj>well you can always check kernel.org with that, but with debian you get the best support using the supported long term release kernel, which is 5.10 for bullseye
16:55<jeff__>mooff : yes. I corrected it because it crashed when i was using the mouse roll. Now, it's ok.
16:56<mooff>it crashed?!
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16:58*tjcarter notes diffscope-minimal has 55 recommends … this is not his definition of "minimal"
16:58<jeff__>moof : yes (https://www.reddit.com/r/crunchbangplusplus/comments/pmelco/how_to_resolve_bug_mate_volume_icon_disapear_when/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
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16:59<jeff__>moof : not a academic bug resolve but it worked for me :)
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17:01<mooff>jeff__: did you follow those instructions before your volume keys stopped working?
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17:05<bindiv>i would like to install a newer window manager since i have wmaker. what do you advise me to do
17:06<jeff__>moof : I wrote this Reddit instructions. Volume keys already not working before that. mate-volume-control-icon worked but crashed only when I used the mouse roll (but not when I slide the vol cursor by grabbing it up/down)
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17:09<tjcarter>bindiv: I was always a fan of wm… nevermind
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17:11<mooff>jeff__: can you share the output of: gsettings list-recursively org.mate.settings-daemon.plugins.media-keys | grep Volume
17:13<jeff__>mooff : https://paste.debian.net/1214808
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17:16<mooff>jeff__: does Alt+volup / voldown work?
17:18<jeff__>mooff : sorry, no :(
17:20<mooff>you might be better off seeking support on a mate-specific channel
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17:21<mooff>try unsetting volume-up and volume-down, and setting volume-up-static, volume-down-static, respectively
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17:26<Sqrt{not}>or the crunchbang website or reddit.
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17:29<jeff__>mooff / Sqrt{not] : I think so. It's annoying but sound is working anyway
17:31<jeff__>and I'm able to increase/decrease it with the mouse (luckily)
17:35<jeff__>thx a lot ;)
17:35<mooff>jeff__: you could try finding another applet
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21:31<userT>I have a program which is able to read its needed libraries from the binary's current location. Problem is, one of the libraries cannot do so; it can only search its dependent libraries from another single fixed path. Thus program fails to run, not fault of binary, but this library.
21:31<userT>Is there a way to make this .so library read its dependent libraries from somewhere else?
21:32<mooff>export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/your/custom/path/
21:33<mooff>perhaps: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. ./the-program
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21:33<sarnold>userT: check the patchelf package, see eg https://github.com/NixOS/patchelf
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21:38<userT>It's a shared library I'm talking about. I know LD_LIBRARY_PATH and patchelf, but the library has no runpath/rpath at all to begin with...
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22:10<Sqrt{not}>userT, what is the secret library? is it in debian at all? what version of debian are you running?
22:10<Sqrt{not}>?????
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22:30<Yixuan>Does debian supports connect RJ-11 Phone line?
22:30<userT>Sqrt{not}: libasound.so.2, Debian 11
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23:35<hesco>I just added two 2tb ssd drives to my desktop; used fdisk to add a partition to each of them; then mdadm --create to add them to a raid1 array (/dev/md1). I used `watch cat /proc/mdstat` to monitor the sync process (which seems to have taken nearly six hours). mkfs.bfs fails to make a file system on the md1 array; and mounting it into the filesystem, and using `df -h` to check up on it shows I
23:35<hesco>have a partition which is only 2.9gb, where I expect to see something closer to 2tb. What might I be missing here, please?
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