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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-10-09

---Logopened Sat Oct 09 00:00:12 2021
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02:23<syli>Hi,I have a question with systemd. There is a problem when i run systemd(241) in virtualbox. The systemd-timesync.service and vboxadd-service.service are not started both. but actually in this condition, the vboxadd-service.service should start, what's wrong with it?
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02:24<syli>systemd-timesyncd.service can't start because of ConditionFileIsExecutable=!/usr/sbin/VBoxService vboxadd-service.service add the Conflicts items Conflicts=shutdown.target systemd-timesyncd.service Shouldn't it be start vboxadd-service.service and stop systemd-timesyncd.service ?
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02:24<syli>However, neither service is actually started on my side
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03:38<pablo>which is the NTP client that come with a default installation nowadays?
03:38<pablo>is it still systemd-timesyncd?
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03:57<bentham>pablo: I believe so, yes.
03:58<bentham>pablo: As I understand it, ntp is more accurate. ntpsec is more secure but fiddly.
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04:17<azsa>hi i have a problem with debian terminal
04:17<azsa>sudo: unable to execute /usr/sbin/service: Input/output error
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04:30<bolnav[m]>Does aptitude install have a flag to print each package on its own line without me needing to learn the format string syntax?
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05:10<pablo>bentham: timur_davletshin ok thanks
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05:54<ricci>I installed bullseye i386 on a 14 years old desktop and I have issues with hibernation and suspend
05:54<ricci>I have 1G of ram and 4G of swap, intel-microcode and firmware-{linux,misc}* packages are installed (including nonfree)
05:54<ricci>I know for sure the hardware fully supports these because they work on windows
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05:56<netfrog>hello, awstats don't show my the visitors countries, i am using nginx can someone help please?
05:56<ricci>when I try to hibernate (from xfce menu) I hear the disk stopping and the screen turns off, but the pc is still on
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05:59<ricci>when resuming (after pressing the power button) the system doesn't work well (eg. sudo hangs, the shutdown process takes forever)
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06:56<bolnav[m]>ricci: anything suspicious in dmesg?
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07:00<fudgespinner>I was able to get Nvidia drivers working on my system but I don't know how to compile the 32-bit driver libraries for it.
07:00<fudgespinner>So while I can get it working, it was 64-bit only with no 32-bit libraries for Wine to use
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07:00<butilka123>Hi I cant find every package in apt search
07:01<sussudio>what does that mean
07:02<butilka123>if i do apt search yakuke i dont see it
07:03<ansgar>butilka123: Because it is named nakuake.
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07:03<ansgar>yakuake.
07:03<butilka123>i am truly retarded
07:03<butilka123>thanks
07:04<bremner>nakuake is the one you can't find :P
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07:05<fudgespinner>At least I know how to build a source, but I need to compile a 32-bit libraries for Wine and other apps to use
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07:07<fudgespinner>all source files are there, by the way. but I don't know the flags to build the i386 version of two key packages: nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver-libs and nvidia-legacy-340xx-vdpau-driver
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07:09<netfrog_>how can i deinstall a program that i installed from source?
07:11<butilka123>bash: dkpg: command not found
07:11<butilka123>eh
07:11<azeem>netfrog_: there might be a "make uninstall" target, or you will have to do it manually
07:11<netfrog_>ok thx
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07:13<coruja>butilka123: usually you install packages with apt or aptitude, but if if really needed, it's 'dpkg'
07:13<coruja>s/if if/if/
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07:14<babilen>dpkg: tell netfrog_ -about stow usage
07:16<babilen>netfrog_: Next time around it might be easier to use stow to install it into a subdirectory of /usr/local (i.e. /usr/local/stow/ ) to contain everything in one place that can be removed easily. For now - and depending on how you installed it exactly - you might be lucky in that it has a "make uninstall" target
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07:21*fudgespinner scratches his head and returns back to nouveau for time being...
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07:23<sysx_>lol
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07:28<danielssan>fudgespinner: did you enable the 32bit architecture?
07:28<fudgespinner>yes, I did
07:28<fudgespinner>I told the source to build as it should be, but it only generates amd64 package to install
07:28<danielssan>fudgespinner: ahh you mean wine?
07:29<LOLI>wine?
07:29<fudgespinner>yeah. that did need a 32-bit Nvidia GL drivers from for 32-bit applications, should also be the same thing if you're running 32-bit only games too.
07:30<fudgespinner>*running 32-bit games on 64-bit system.
07:30<danielssan>fudgespinner: well, wine recommends building wine32 inside a 32bit container or OS, as debians multiarch is rather "non-complete"
07:30<ricci>bolnav[m]: https://termbin.com/vm2w
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07:31<fudgespinner>thanks, danielssan
07:31<fudgespinner>But I have to do it with 32-bit installation!?
07:31<fudgespinner>I mean the compiling part.
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07:32<butilka123>coruja i just had to restart the pc, the console didnt know anything
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07:33<danielssan>fudgespinner: yes. read the documentation on winehq
07:33<fudgespinner>so danielssan. what you meant to say to me is: avoid multiarch and compile them instead?
07:34<danielssan>fudgespinner: no? as I understood you, you want to compile wine or not?
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07:35<fudgespinner>I need a 32-bit wine due to compatibly with old games. but it's a bit off-limits as I don't have a powerful machines to make compilation fast enough.
07:36<danielssan>fudgespinner: so why not install the wine32 from debian?
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07:36<fudgespinner>I am not quite sure if it will solves my issue even if my Nvidia driver is not fully multiarch.
07:37<fudgespinner>and I currently use the package from winehq
07:37<danielssan>fudgespinner: oO nvidia has 32bit libraries, so I assume you just didn't install them?
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07:37<fudgespinner>no, I cannot compile them as 32-bit libraries because for some reason the final package files are only amd64 packages.
07:38<fudgespinner>thus lacks necessary 32-bit libraries.
07:38<danielssan>why do you want to compile anything? what is your goal?
07:38<danielssan>i assume you just want to play games?
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07:39<fudgespinner>the card I'm using is really old, a GeForce 9500 GT. Which while I can just use nouveau... Well initially I want to see if there's performance gain from that over nouveau with Gallium Nine.
07:39<danielssan>fudgespinner: so? i still don't understand why you would need to compile anything
07:40<fudgespinner>thus it needs legacy 340 driver, which only existed on sid repository. And people suggest me not to pull the precompiled packages directly.
07:40<fudgespinner>by that I mean Debian people themselves.
07:40<fudgespinner>*exists
07:41<danielssan>so do you want to have legacy drivers or nouveau+gallium9?
07:42<fudgespinner>okay, I think I might as well just gave up and use nouveau like what I've been using the whole time. But another reason (the more convincing ones) is that Nvidia drivers are much less buggy with GNOME.
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07:44<fudgespinner>On my system with nouveau and same card. this can cause graphical corruption and often may not allow me to log back in to do anything else other than killing the display manager. Or sometimes it completely locks up my system, both occurred after putting the system to sleep.
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07:45<fudgespinner>so that's some of primary reason for me to keep using the binary driver.
07:46<danielssan>,bug rm nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-340xx
07:46<judd>Sorry, no removal reasons were found.
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07:48<danielssan>fudgespinner: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=973599 sounds like on bullseye you are stuck on nouveau
07:48<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/973599 in src:nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-340xx (open): «nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-340xx: EoL driver should not be released with bullseye»; severity: serious; opened: 2020-11-02; last modified: 2021-07-26.
07:49<danielssan>ahh overlooked the last message
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07:51<danielssan>fudgespinner: so seems like you still can backport the legacy driver
07:52<fudgespinner>wait, danielssan. the issue about GNOME and nouveau... I haven't checked on stable yet, that issue only seems to happen on unstable. So well...
07:52<g00se>I'm in the installer in ssh. There's a partition i'd like to read before deleting it. The shell tells me fuse is not loaded when I try ntfs-3g and modprobe fuse doesn't help. Any ideas?
07:53<danielssan>fudgespinner: so you are on sid?
07:53<fudgespinner>stable right now.
07:53<fudgespinner>bullseye
07:53<danielssan>so then I can't comprehend your last message
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07:54<fudgespinner>that is to be expected.
07:54<fudgespinner>thank you anyway.
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08:34<fudgespinner>so after the whole debacle. what to do if you really need a package that only available on sid?
08:35<drspastic>hi, i am trying to add a disk to an LVM using kde partition manager, but it wont let me unmount the LVM for maintainance. it says the device is busy. the LVM drive is used by samba and apache. i stopped apache, and no samba devices were using it. disc lights showed no acceses. also cant unmount from file manager. what can i do next? btw i tried booting to safe mode where it asked for root password or ctrl-d but i didnt recognize my root password even
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08:35<fudgespinner>I want to know how to correctly do that, to avoid my past mistake of creating a Frankenstiened Debian install.
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08:36<coruja>!ssb
08:36<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
08:37<fudgespinner>yay!
08:37<fudgespinner>thanks!
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09:21<drspastic>hi, i am trying to add a disk to an LVM using kde partition manager, but it wont let me unmount the LVM for maintainance. it says the device is busy. the LVM drive is used by samba and apache. i stopped apache, and no samba devices were using it. disc lights showed no acceses. also cant unmount from file manager. what can i do next? btw i tried booting to safe mode where it asked for root password or ctrl-d but i didnt recognize my root password thou
09:22<tjcarter>drspastic: you have free extents or you looking to shring a partition to create some?
09:22<tjcarter>shrink even
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09:24<tjcarter>drspastic: NB I've never tried to use KDE's partition manager … I've only ever used LVM from the command line. It requires a bit of mental visualization
09:24<drspastic>tjcarter: i have a running lvm disk made from 2 raid arrays, its in use but i want to add another physical disc to it. i dont know how to unmount it safely as the system insists it is in use
09:24<tjcarter>lsof and grep?
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09:25<drspastic>lsof is a new command for me. gives pages of info
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09:27<drspastic>tjcarter: what am i looking for in that?
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09:32<drspastic>do i need to boot into a live distro? would lvm changes from live distro remain after booting from disk?
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09:33<g00se>Installing stable. Configuring clock is causing a SSH disconnect. Any ideas?
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09:34<drspastic>problem solved! i had another disk mounted within the mount point of the lvm disk. i unmounted that, then i could unmount the lvm. i wish they wrote that in the manual
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09:36<drspastic>but i still can add the new drive to the lvm!
09:36<mosasaur>g00se: maybe write a script?
09:38*g00se suspecting CMOS probs, maybe weak battery - box is ancient
09:45<drspastic>ok i tried deactivating the lvm to see if i can add the new disc, but i cant. there is no option. also no option to reactivate the lvm. i guess this is why everyone says avoid gui tools...because they are half baked crap
09:45<g00se>mosasaur: How so?
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09:53<mosasaur>g00se: oh I was thinking about that time when I had to do some xrandr stuff from the console, so I wrote a script that started with "chvt ..."
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09:58<g00se>Ah OK. In this case this box is over a decade old and probably still has its original battery. I'll replace it
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10:44<drspastic>i finally got to the point where i can add the new drive to my lvm group. can someone CONFIRM that this will NOT AFFECT data on the volume group please?
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10:51<bremner>well, if you have to ask for help on IRC, I strongly recommend making backups before taking our advice.
10:51<bremner>if you can concisely rephrase the question, I can make a guess
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10:55<OD2>Hi there, there's a typo that could use clarifying in /etc/sudoers.d/README
10:55<bremner>reportbug sudo, thanks
10:55<OD2>This is ambiguous in English (even if it had been "nor") - this directive will cause sudo to process any files in /etc/sudoers.d that...
10:55<OD2># directory that do not end in '~' or contain a '.' character.
10:56<OD2>It wont process things that contain a "." character
10:56<OD2>bremner: this is a debian thing - not sudo
10:56<OD2>For example, also in the readme:
10:56<OD2># As of Debian version 1.7.2p1-1, the default /etc/sudoers file created on
10:56<OD2>Debian put that there
10:57<bremner>OD2: reportbug is how you report bugs in debian
10:57<OD2>Oh so you're palming me off somewhere else, not palming me off to the sudo project
10:58<petn-randall>OD2: Not quite. bremner is telling you how to report the bug, as this is a support channel and not a good way to contact maintainers.
10:59<OD2>Even for something this trivial?
10:59<petn-randall>OD2: With the `reportbug` tool you can easily file a bug report, which the maintainer receives and can respond to and fix.
10:59<petn-randall>Yes, as the sudo maintainer is not in here.
10:59<OD2>Alright so is this thing an IRC bot or what?
11:00<bremner>!reportbug
11:00<dpkg>reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting, or <reportbug MTA>
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11:01<OD2>Nvm
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11:01<petn-randall>!next
11:01<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
11:03<petn-randall>Btw, does anyone know when firefox-esr 78.x is EOL? There's a unverified claim on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_version_history that says it reaches EOL on November 2, which means that ESR 91.x should hit bullseye some time then.
11:05<danielssan>petn-randall: sounds reasonable, as mozilla says: "The ESR version will also have a three cycle (at least 12 weeks) overlap between the time of a new release and the end-of-life of the previous release"
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11:08<zlatanlinux>hi
11:08<bittin>hi
11:09<zlatanlinux>i have a problem with debian 11
11:10<petn-randall>https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/78.15.0/releasenotes/
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11:10<petn-randall>Found a more detailled info about this. ^^^
11:10<petn-randall>zlatanlinux: Tell us about your problem, and somebody who knows the answer will respond.
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11:11<zlatanlinux>alfa awus036nh not working in debian 11
11:11<danielssan>petn-randall: thanks for the link
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11:13<sussudio>what is an alfa awus036nh
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11:14<zlatanlinux>a usb wireless network card
11:15<sussudio>~i firmware-ralink
11:15<sussudio>,i firmware-ralink
11:15<judd>No package named 'firmware-ralink' was found in bullseye/amd64.
11:15<sussudio>hm.
11:15<zlatanlinux>yes ralink
11:16<sussudio>zlatanlinux: add non-free to your sources.list and install firmware-misc-nonfree
11:16<avu>it's in firmware-misc-nonfree in bullseye
11:16<sussudio>!non-free
11:16<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>.
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11:17<zlatanlinux>i can't download anything
11:17<zlatanlinux>without working network card
11:18<sussudio>how are you here then
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11:18<zlatanlinux>with another pc
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11:19<sussudio>so download the package there and put it on an usb stick
11:20<zlatanlinux>what package do i need?
11:20<sussudio>https://packages.debian.org/buster/all/firmware-misc-nonfree/download
11:21<avu>that's the one for buster though?
11:21<avu>https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/all/firmware-misc-nonfree/download
11:21<petn-randall>zlatanlinux: Can you connect the device via Ethernet to download packages?
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11:22<zlatanlinux>it is a desktop computer and the router is far away
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11:23<sussudio>a 10 meter ethernet cable is less than 5 euros here at the budget store
11:23<sussudio>ofcourse, the little clip will break off if you look at it in the wrong way...
11:24<sussudio>or put the computer closer to the router
11:25<avu>what was wrong with the suggestion to download the package on the other machine and put it on a usb stick? Sounds easier than moving the machine closer to the router or go buying network cable
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11:27<zlatanlinux>i have downloaded this file: firmware-misc-nonfree_20190114-2_all.deb
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11:27<zlatanlinux>i put on usb ?
11:27<avu>ZachGibbens: that's the wrong version
11:27<sussudio>are you running buster or bullseye
11:27<avu>zlatanlinux: ^
11:27<avu>they said 11
11:27<zlatanlinux>bullseye
11:27<avu>https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/all/firmware-misc-nonfree/download
11:29<qqqq>sussudio: https://i.imgflip.com/5ptwtk.jpg
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11:32<sussudio>my isp gave me a 30 meter ethernetcable and one of those push on plugs if you wanted to make it shorter. never really used it.
11:33<qqqq>avu: zlatanlinux it in a way lowers your security - if the connection you download on would happen to be compromised (eg not so secure wifi) an malicious .deb file might be sent to you (probly requires coopeartion of CA first). or if you simply download wrong file by mistake from some wraez or if computer you record stick on is an infected e.g. windows
11:33<qqqq>because dpkg -i *.deb SKIPS the security checks (is the deb signed by debian developers)
11:33<qqqq>to most people an unlikely scenario perhaps, but it's good to remember
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11:36<petn-randall>The packages aren't signed by the devs, they're signed with the release key, which is done on the primary mirror. (Minor technical difference)
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11:40<qqqq>maybe one of these days we will move to .sig (or even two sig one by devs one by relase key) for each packages, discovering that it's no longer early 2000's and saving that 1% of download size is not that important
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11:42<qqqq>just integrate them into .deb file itself as some meta data (ofc signing all the data besides itself, duh), and then we can have dpkg -i refuse to install unless --force-insecure
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11:52<mooff>qqqq: *apt* will check sigs, right?
11:53<mooff>(total sanity check - it must do...)
11:53<mooff>(and that doesn't negate your point in any way)
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11:54<qqqq>mooff: I am 99.99% sure it does also when taking a file (e.g. file:///mnt/mirror-debian/ in sources.list) and 100% sure it does in normal online use
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11:55<qqqq>I only know how to give files to apt in form of mirror of ENTIRE repository (~300 GB), well perhaps narrowed down by debian version and architecture (to liek 50 gb?), not single packages
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12:00<sazamoracl>Hi everyone. I would like to ask: what could be causing that my laptop cpu it is not scaling using all frequency range ?
12:00<qqqq>is there some easy way to make apt take few .deb files plus copy of required small part of signature, like some kind of, Im guessing packages.list.sig or something like that, which would lead to small filesize of it and yet would use signature verification?
12:01<qqqq>the package.list.sig would be for entire ~30,000 packages in repo, that's ok, still probly <10 MB
12:01<sazamoracl>without boost: 900~1000mhz with boost: 2.0 ~ 2.5Ghz. I mean, I would like to be on 1Ghz until some process usit all power and then back again to 1Ghz.
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12:02<sazamoracl>maybe some missing app or package?
12:02<sazamoracl>Thanks.
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12:06<bremner>sazamoracl: you could start by installing and running powertop
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12:08<sazamoracl>bremmer: Yeah, I got it, what could I check there about this ?. I mean I know the processor scale, but with out boots (900~1000mhz) with boost: 2.0 ~ 2.5Ghz. Im not getting full processor, then back to minimun : /
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12:09<bremner>sazamoracl: sorry, I don't know what you mean by "boost"
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12:10<sazamoracl>bremmer: It is the intel option to over-power the processor and get full frecuencies. If you disabled, it work only until certain frecuency. Let me send 2 images please.
12:11<bremner>I'd rather look at text than images
12:12<sazamoracl>https://i.imgur.com/6n1JvdL.png
12:12<sazamoracl>it is a output only screenshot.
12:12<qqqq>(#bash) I have one-item-per-line list of .avi files, how to show all them but except ones that appear anywhere in already-watched.txt (which is in format also one-record-per-line *.avi)
12:13<bremner>yes, so why not use a text pastebin?
12:13<sazamoracl>bremmer: ohb i didnt know it exist, ok, let me try.
12:13<bremner>nevermind. It just narrows your audience that's all
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12:15<sazamoracl>https://paste.gnome.org/pt9lzqgxq
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12:15<sazamoracl>bremmer: haha ok I'll usit on future.
12:16<bremner>sazamoracl: does it work better if you use the powersave policy?
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12:16<sazamoracl>bremmer: unfortunatelly, no difference.
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12:17<bremner>her the same command says "frequency should be within 400 MHz and 4.80 GHz."
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12:17<bremner>I'm a bit skeptical of the top end, but anyway I don't know why yours is different
12:18<sazamoracl>I've see previous generation of the same process on a win laptop and the process stay on 1Ghz, but automatically when you lunch some app it scale to almost 3Ghz, then goes back to minum, I have not that ' automatically' only I'm able to choose to stay on minum or almost maximun.
12:19<bremner>I suppose it could be a bug in cpupower
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12:19<bremner>if you look at the frequencies in powertop are they locked to 1000Mhz ?
12:20<mooff>it should scale ~normally out of the box
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12:21<mooff>any chance it's set like that on the bios/efi?
12:21<sazamoracl>bremmer: yes, they are only scaling between 980mhz and 999mhz
12:22<sazamoracl>moof: Hi, thanks for comment. Yes, I got 3 power profiles on bios available, it could affect this cpu behaviour ?
12:23<bremner>sazamoracl: btw, you should learn about nick completion (usually TAB) in your irc client
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12:23<mooff>sazamoracl: i'm not an expert but just thinking through it with you
12:24<mooff>yes, the settings in bios/efi can e.g. disable frequency scaling entirely, set limits, etc
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12:24<mooff>but if you didn't change any of them before/after the problem started, i guess it may not be the cause
12:24<mooff>found this on Google: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php/77509-CPU-Frequency-800MHz-instead-of-3-1GHz-with-Kernel-5-8
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12:26<mooff>what does 'cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/status' show?
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12:30<sazamoracl>moof: Just checked the link. Right, the same issue. It is scaling, thats true, but in a minimun range of hz. Ok, let me paste that output.
12:31<sazamoracl>moof: active
12:32<mooff>if you run 'echo passive > /sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/status' as root, how does the cpupower output change?
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12:34<fernie>maybe try booting with intel_pstate=no_hwp, https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v5.10/admin-guide/pm/intel_pstate.html
12:37<sazamoracl>mooff: doesnt allow me to execute it, it says permission denied. even with sudo.
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12:42<sazamoracl>mooff: I see. Ok, i'll try to check that information, it is new for me. I just would like to know if it is still correct installing cpufreqd and cpupower for intel scaling ?
12:42<sazamoracl>they are not installed by default on debian base install in fact.
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12:44<bremner>I don't have cpufreqd installed
12:44<bremner>and afaik scaling works fine
12:45<g00se>Do I need to go Stretch->Buster->Bullseye or can I go Stretch->Bullseye?
12:45<bremner>sazamoracl: note that sudo doesn't really work as you expect with output redirection
12:45<enyc>g00se: you need to go release->release->release
12:45<enyc>g00se: package dependencies/conflicts/etc not tested/expceted-tow-tork going 2 releases forwards at once
12:45<g00se>OK, thought so. Just checking ;)
12:46<enyc>g00se: also consider -- storing your dpkg -l and install notes, configs, and doing a clean install, add relevant packages/configs only, etc.
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12:50<sazamoracl>bremmer: yes, you right. Now applied 'passive' mode, it relead full cpu frecuency.
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12:50<g00se>Yeah, that's quite a biggie
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12:51<mooff>sazamoracl: try uninstalling cpufreqd, rebooting, and see if it scales then
12:51*mooff afk 👋
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12:52<Human_G33k>hi
12:53<sazamoracl>mooff: Its a full frecuency, not scaling to minimun when on idle. Let me uninstall and reboot. Thank for help.
12:53<Human_G33k>i want a tool like conky but working on tty
12:53<sazamoracl>bremmer: Thanks for help, I'll reboot.
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12:53<mooff>Human_G33k: conky works on the tty
12:54<Human_G33k>i know conky work on it but during my last try it will loop the display not
12:54<Human_G33k>fix display as for ie htop
12:54<mooff>i bet it's configurable
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12:54<Human_G33k>humm i will check
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14:50<coc0nut>hm raspian questions accepted here?
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14:50<coc0nut>just installed ufw on raspian bullseye 11... arm
14:51<coc0nut>but it has no iptables ?
14:51<avu>!raspian
14:51<dpkg>Raspberry Pi OS (previously called Raspbian) is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.libera.chat for support. https://www.raspbian.org/
14:51<nr0q_radio>!debian
14:51<dpkg>i guess debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
14:51<coc0nut>wondering if it uses anything else or if i must install it
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14:52<coc0nut>#raspbian has no members on this server :p
14:52<coc0nut>i mean very little members hehe
14:52<avu>coc0nut: as the message says, the channel is on Libera, you are on OFTC here
14:53<coc0nut>ah yeah, found it :) thx!
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14:57<somiaj>coc0nut: this is oftc, notice the factoid said libera
14:57<somiaj>oh I'm slow
14:57<coc0nut>hehe :)
14:57<coc0nut>just hope #raspbian on libera is as helpfull as this super nice channel :P
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16:09<butilka123>can i disable konqueror?
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16:43<butilka123>[22:09:35] <butilka123> can i disable konqueror?
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16:44<somiaj>what do you mean by that?
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16:44<somiaj>as in what effect would disabling konqueror do you want?
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16:49<butilka123>Its allways starting and i dont want it
16:49<butilka123>the starting and the internet explorer
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16:52<Sqrt{not}>butilka123, konqueror is the web browser and file explorer. what else is starting that you do not want? what does it look like?
16:52<somiaj>internet explorer?
16:53<butilka123>https://i.imgur.com/tkzC5HU.png
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17:08<mooff>internet explorer indeed :)
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17:33<Sqrt{not}>%konqueror
17:33<dselect>Konqueror is a web browser and file manager, a core component of <KDE>. It replaces kfm (KDE file manager). http://wiki.debian.org/Konqueror http://www.konqueror.org/faq/
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17:33<Sqrt{not}>butilka123, maybe those web pages ^^^^^ can help?
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17:36<butilka123>I just removed it with "apt sudo apt remove konqueror", ty :D
17:36<Sqrt{not}>OK, that should work :)
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17:37<butilka123>Well i didnt know that if you write first letter big it wont find it
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17:40<jkc>butilka123: Case sensitivity is a thing in the Unix/Linux world. Might want to get used to that. And yanking out a core component of KDE seems like a poor plan.
17:41<butilka123>i´ll keep that in mind ty
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17:41<butilka123>I got annoyed from microsoft and now im here
17:41<jkc>In other words, you should probably reinstall it.
17:42<jkc>If you want to use a different browser, by all means install one (firefox, etc.) and do so.
17:42<butilka123>Ive got firefoy
17:42<butilka123>x*
17:42<butilka123>its here by default
17:43<jkc>Then reinstall konqueror and leave it be.
17:43<butilka123>k
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18:05<Konomi>is it just my bad memory or is this point release much closer to the stable release than previous versions of debian?
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18:12<somiaj>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianBuster
18:12<coruja>hm? it actually _is_ the stable release, meaning an updated version of it
18:13<somiaj>07-06 to 09-07 in buster, while 08-14 to 10-09 for bullseye
18:13<somiaj>seems comparable
18:13<coruja>ah, closer concerning release data, i see
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18:14<coruja>s/data/date/
18:15<Konomi>yeah sorry I was struggling a bit to explain it
18:16<Konomi>maybe I was just paying more attention this time /shrug thanks for the info
18:16<Konomi>or the pandemic has fried my sense of time, one or the other
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19:11<hesco>last night I asked here:
19:11<hesco>I just added two 2tb ssd drives to my desktop; used fdisk to add a partition to each of them; then mdadm --create to add them to a raid1 array (/dev/md1). I used `watch cat /proc/mdstat` to monitor the sync process (which seems to have taken nearly six hours). mkfs.bfs fails to make a file system on the md1 array; and mounting it into the filesystem, and using `df -h` to check up on it shows I
19:11<hesco>have a partition which is only 2.9gb, where I expect to see something closer to 2tb. What might I be missing here, please?
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19:13<sney>hesco: haven't used md arrays in a while, but try 'mdadm -D' to see what mdadm thinks is the status of your array
19:14<sney>I would guess that something funky happened during the create stage
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19:15<hesco>with no answers, this morning I tore down the RAID1 array and rebuilt it using the instructions at: https://wiki.debian.org/SoftwareRAID, this time creating the RAID1 array from the raw devices, rather than using partitions on those drives. I left it syncing and building all day while I attended a meeting downtown. When I get back home I use mkfs.bfs to create a file system on the resultant
19:15<hesco>/dev/md1 device, then mount it to the file system and run `df -h`. I am still am getting 2.9gb, while expecting closer to 2tb.
19:16<hesco>Still confused about what is missing here.
19:16<sney>oh, you're stil rubber ducking. let us know when you are ready for help
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19:17<hesco>sney: `mdadm -D /dev/md1 indicates that my array size is 2000.26 GB.
19:17<hesco>sney: yes, I am ready for some help.
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19:18<sney>ok, and does 'parted -l' show the correct size for the md partition as well?
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19:21<sney>hesco: also, why bfs? it seems pretty limited. are you looking for btrfs?
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19:22<hesco>sney: yes, parted -l says 2tb as well. Output available at: https://gist.github.com/hesco/c5639b9d2bd94144f246526dc6ef2159
19:23<hesco>and yes, I actually want btrfs. I was told it would be more gentle on my ssd drives than would be ext4, which I usually use.
19:23<sney>ok, then it's this filesystem. whatever you're doing, I doubt it has to do with sco boot volumes.
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19:23<hesco>umount-ing then and recreating the fs.
19:24<sney>try creating the filesystem again, with mkfs.btrfs this time, and it'll probably be full size.
19:24<sney>(fwiw, most superstition about filesystems and SSD wear is just that. but btrfs has some neat snapshotting features that might be useful to you. you can also have btrfs create the mirror and handle the filesystem rather than involving md)
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19:28<hesco>my installation is missing mkfs.btrfs. what package might provide that please?
19:28<sney>btrfs-progs
19:28<sney>!apt-file
19:28<dpkg>apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "apt install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <judd-file>, <auto-apt>, <dlocate>.
19:29<hesco>I just installed btrfs-progs and it did not provide that executable, at least not in /sbin
19:30<hesco>ah, its in /bin, it seems
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19:31<hesco>sweet, that seems to be working, 'Perfoming full device TRIM (1.82TiB) ...'
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19:32<hesco>thanks sney++ !!!
19:32<sney>np
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19:35<hesco>And success! df -h now reports 1.9T at /mnt/md1 !!!
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19:35<sney>!congratulate hesco
19:35<dpkg>Good show hesco, you did it!
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20:00<hesco>only thing left now is to be impatient with my rsync for the estimated 9hrs to copy over the new material onto the new md1 RAID1 device, from md0. And maybe when I replacement drive becomes available, try and figure out which drive on md0 is the failing one which was removed from the array and get it replaced.
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20:11<hesco>I can see which drive is failing expressed as a /dev/{device}, but am unsure how to conveniently translate that into a specific physical drive, without mounting each of them them to an external usb. I imagine the failing drive might still look like an old snapshot of the current data. I had not been monitoring the array for failure, not sure how of sync these snapshots might be. Guess I can
20:11<hesco>touch a sentinel file onto the legacy one disk RAID1 array before I shut that down. Anyone who may have faced this before, any input would be appreciated.
20:12<sney>usually matching /dev/disk/by-id/ entries to serial numbers works
20:13<sney>and you can ls -l that directory to see which sdX they are
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20:17<hesco>ah, thanks!
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20:25<hesco>so this is the serial number on the working drive? /dev/disk/by-id/wwn-0x5002538e7019b66b -> ../../sdc, and the other 1tb physical drive is the one I want to pull?
20:26<sney>hesco: usually it's an ata-vendor-model kind of string
20:27<sney>like on this system I have /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Samsung_SSD_870_EVO_1TB_S6PTNZ0R628030F
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20:31<hesco>so for this drive: /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Samsung_SSD_860_QVO_1TB_S4PGNG0KC26320F -> ../../sdc, the physical drive will have a serial number reading: S6PTNZ... ?
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20:31<sussudio>why would you buy a qvo
20:32<hesco>rather S4PGNG0KC26320F
20:32<hesco>apparently because I had not yet heard your story on them.
20:32<sussudio>the price difference is not that much
20:32<sney>sussudio: it was on sale and this is a thinkpad from 2013
20:33<sney>oh, hesco's. probably a similar answer tbhp
20:35<hesco>I picked out the most affordable ssd drives by a brand which had not yet burned me in the past, which were in stock at Fryes as they were shutting down the local store, liquidating the inventory, just as I was in the mood to invest in an edit suite.
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21:39<aloo_shu>what cli! tool can I use to convert a page downloaded with wget -pk , i.e. a folder with a tree of html docs linkuing between each other, into one flat html file
21:41<sney>not strictly a cli tool, but I bet that's in BeautifulSoup's bag of tricks. packaged in python3-bs4
21:41<aloo_shu>I could re-run wget with --no-directories added, but documents would still need to get combined
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21:54<aloo_shu>nah, not quite it for me, also no frontend in its dependants
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