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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-10-10

---Logopened Sun Oct 10 00:00:13 2021
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00:01-!-simonpatapon is "Simon Patapon" on #debian-quebec #buddhism #debian-next #oftc #debian #bitlbee
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03:04*awal1 think that gnome apps have better lok when using breeze theme than when using adwaita/gtk3
03:04<awal1>look
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03:51<amoe>Hello, does anyone know how Tracker is supposed to work? Is it normal for 'tracker-extract' systemd unit to be restarting continuously, like every 10 seconds? It doesn't seem to be failing, it's just finishing successfully without indexing anything.
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05:54<lord_rob>Hi! I have installed a fresh copy of Bullseye because my old config was becoming completely unstable. But now I can't make wifi to work on my Thinkpad x230. Any idea how I could fix it ? I already hava firmware-iwlwifi installed
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06:20<judd>Package: qemu on amd64 -- stretch: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u9; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u9; stretch-security: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u9; buster: 1:3.1+dfsg-8+deb10u8; buster-security: 1:3.1+dfsg-8+deb10u8; buster-backports: 1:5.2+dfsg-9~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1:5.2+dfsg-11; bullseye-security: 1:5.2+dfsg-11+deb11u1; bullseye-backports: 1:6.1+dfsg-6~bpo11+1; bookworm: 1:6.1+dfsg-6; sid:
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06:39<tomreyn>lord_rob: you should provide more details there - logs, error messages, or how you tell that wifi 'does not work'.
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06:42<tomreyn>this might produce some useful info: cat /proc/{version,cmdline}; lspci -knn | grep -EA3 'Network controller'; dmesg | grep -i 'firmware|iwl'
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07:02<mendel_munkis>I ran a program which changed my screen resolution then crashed, I used xrandr to reset it but then noticed that dunst seems to still be using the adjusted size.
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07:03<mendel_munkis>restarting dunst didn't change anything and restarting i3 extended the effect to certain UI elements as well, is there anything sshort of a reboot I can do to fix my resolution?
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07:17<mosasaur>try a different WM to see what that does
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07:35<jocc>hi! Please help me, which is the latest deb release with ppc64 (not ppc64el) support? I want to install on POWER4+
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07:43<cef>@jocc: Jessie.
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08:01<jocc>@cef: sure? I'we ust found that Jessie was the first with ppc64el and not ppc64
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08:21<RoyK>,v fuse
08:21<judd>Package: fuse on amd64 -- stretch-security: 2.9.7-1+deb9u1; stretch: 2.9.7-1+deb9u2; buster: 2.9.9-1+deb10u1; bookworm: 2.9.9-5; bullseye: 2.9.9-5; sid: 2.9.9-5
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08:21<judd>Package: fuse3 on amd64 -- buster: 3.4.1-1+deb10u1; bullseye: 3.10.3-2; bookworm: 3.10.5-1; sid: 3.10.5-1
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08:23<test>Hey, I talked a little about a bug I've found in Debian stable with twb. Is he online now?
08:24<test>I don't know how to use IRC very well, but I guess he isn't.
08:24<test>Either way, is someone online right now that could help me?
08:25<test>I was going to report a bug through the reportbug command and I've found something. Bug #950232
08:25<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/950232 in software-properties-common (open): «software-properties-common: Wrong URL for Bullseye security updates»; severity: important; opened: 2020-01-30; last modified: 2020-01-30.
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08:26<test>?
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08:26<test>Is judd a bot?
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08:26<test>#950232
08:26<test>What a coincidence then. I think I also talked with you before @judd.
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08:29<petn-randall>test: judd is a bot, yes.
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08:32<test>@petn-randall I'll take that as a joke for now. :P
08:32<petn-randall>judd: are you a bot
08:32<test>There is something I don't understand guys.
08:32<petn-randall>test: Actually, not, judd and dpkg are channel bots
08:32<petn-randall>dpkg: are you a bot
08:32<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
08:33<test>what oO
08:33<test>Bug #950232
08:33<knolle>don't try to spam it
08:33<test>Ok, sorry. I just didn't get why it give me the bug link before but not now.
08:34<knolle>because that wasn't even 10min ago
08:36<test>It makes sense. Either way, I was often told that Debian has a very rigorous process of analyzing packages until they are able to be considered stable. I have even watched some speeches from people closely related to the Debian project. Something like it doesn't let a package goes to the stable branch if there are remaining bugs in testing.
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08:37<test>And I have to say that I got really surprised to see a few bugs even minutes after installing my system, Debian stable bullseye. :/
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08:38<test>But my surprise was bigger when I was in the process of reporting a bug and found that the same bug already got reported on January, 30th, 2020.
08:39<test>Not trying to be attacking the project or anyone here, just trying to understand. Can someone tell me why a severe bug like this, reported way before Bullseye got released as stable, wasn't fixed and even got into the final stable release?
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08:51<RoyK>just upgraded my home server to bullseye, and there now four process trees with pipewire - what is this?
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08:57<azeem>RoyK: it's some new-fangled audio/video pipline, replacing pulseaudio and (part of?) what the X server used to do I think
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09:00<RoyK>azeem: no x on this machine
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09:09<RoyK>azeem: so any idea what those processes are there for?
09:11<test>Does anyone know the answer to my question?
09:11<bremner>test: if you want to learn about what kind of bugs keep a package out of testing, you can read more at https://release.debian.org
09:12<test>@bremner Thank you!
09:13<azeem>RoyK: I wrote "audio" as well
09:14<RoyK>azeem: no audio in use on this either - it's a server
09:15<azeem>*nod*
09:16<bremner>test: the extremely short version is that "severity: important" is not "release critical"
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09:17<bremner>of course the severity of bugs is decided by humans, and they don't always agree with each other
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09:17<test>I see.
09:18<test>I'm reading more of the sublinks on the page you provided.
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09:20<RoyK>azeem: but why are those there?
09:20<bremner>RoyK: "aptitude why pipewire" might help
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09:21<test>@bremner I have also heard that a package only migrates from sid to testing and to stable after some conditions are met, like number of bugs it has, or severity of them. Can you elucidate this more for me?
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09:28<bremner>test: basically migration is controlled by the number of "release critical" bugs with severity serious or higher
09:29<bremner>a release critical bug is one severe enough that it is better to remove the software from the next stable release
09:29<test>I see...
09:29<test>Would at least you agree with me that the bug I've mentioned is critical enough for that?
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09:31<test>software-properties-gtk is the only package I know, and a lot of other people too, to manager sources in a graphical way. A lot of people use and depend upon this software to work properly. Being it to change to a closer mirror or to enable contrib and nonfree, in a graphical way that is easier for beginners.
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09:33<test>I decided to install Debian on my machine, was excited since Bullseye got released as stable, and literally the first thing I did after install (and after doing a backup through Timeshift) was open software-properties-gtk and change to a local mirror (and people told me that it shouldn't even be done anymore, since deb.debian.org is a good CDN capable of handling that). But even if I select Main server it simply puts a broken URL into my sources.list that b
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09:34<azeem>test: your line was cut-off at "into my sources.list that b[...]"
09:34<test>and then I get 404 when trying to retrieve security updates. Someone just a little more beginner than me probably wouldn't noticed that, and would then have a system without security updates for who knows how much time... This is a serious security issue in my point of view. :/
09:34<test>Oh
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09:35<test>"it simply puts a broken URL into my sources.list that breaks apt"
09:35<test>@azeem
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09:37<test>And this isn't the only bug related to apt/managing packages I've found. There is another one, that I still don't know whats the cause, that makes gnome software have lots of problems when trying to retrieve and update packages. A lot of people simply don't use and don't know how to use a terminal to manage their software installations and updates.
09:38<test>Speaking of myself, I love the ability to navigate in a graphical way, being comfortable like that, and sometimes doing apt commands also.
09:38<test>They seem like severe bugs to me that shouldn't have made into a stable release of Debian.
09:38<dvs>funny, I can't list the files of the software-packages-common package (at least the bullseye version)
09:39<test>I'd just like to know now if someone here at least agrees with me on those things. :/
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09:40<test>@dvs I'm not sure what you mean. I'm talking about the packages software-properties-gtk and gnome-software if I'm not mistaken.
09:40<azeem>did you even mention the bug number yet?
09:40<test>Yes. It is bug #950232
09:40<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/950232 in software-properties-common (open): «software-properties-common: Wrong URL for Bullseye security updates»; severity: important; opened: 2020-01-30; last modified: 2020-01-30.
09:41<test>At least the first one, on software-propeties-gtk. The other one I haven't found yet.
09:41<test>I think I still have some screenshots of it.
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09:41<Sebastinas>I think important is fine for that bug. It's a bug, yes. We wouldn't remove the package because of the bug and also wouldn't wait for it to be fixed to release.
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09:42<test>@Sebastinas but isn't a fix like that simple enough for such a critical issue? I mean, people would get without security updates just by changing their mirror. :/
09:42<test>would be*
09:43<azeem>test: you could help towards fixing it by providing a patch
09:43<test>I was having problems even to get here and use IRC and to report a bug, I'm not sure if I'm capable to do that. I think I'm still too dumb for that yet..
09:44<test>By the way, thank you guys for having patience and being nice with me.
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09:47<user45367>Hello. Im having problems with my bluetooth adapter in bullseye
09:48<user45367>I have the following trouble: after some time of startup, when i try to pair with bluetooth, i get "Connection Failed: Resource Not Ready" in Blueman GUI
09:48<user45367>If i restart the PC, i can pair sucefully my device
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09:49<user45367>Also, i have the following mseesage when i try to "scan on" in the "bluetoothctl" command
09:49<user45367>"Failed to start discovery: org.bluez.Error.NotReady"
09:52<dvs>azeem: agreed.
09:52<azeem>to what?
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09:54<dvs><azeem> test: you could help towards fixing it by providing a patch
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09:56<azeem>ah, rigth
09:56<test>I'd love to do that, but there are some huge requirements before I'm able to do something like that.
09:56<test>At first, I would need to know how to do that. Considering I'm dumb, I would need to be guided through each step.
09:57<azeem>!apt-src
09:57<azeem>hrm
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09:57<azeem>test: I assume that package is written in a script language, so it shouldu suffice to download the source package, extract it, finding the place and then correcting
09:58<azeem>not easy, but with some perseverance, possible
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09:58<test>And the hardest requirement I see is to know how I could do something like that without identifying myself. I like to have privacy and remain anonymous wherever possible. And I don't have the required knowledge yet to be able to protect my identity while doing something like that...
09:58<test>> but with some perseverance, possible
09:59<test>I definitely will have it. But not sure if it is the right moment of my life... Maybe in a year from now I'll have the required knowledge to do something like that. Because I really do want to contribute to free software projects.
10:00<azeem>you can pastebin the patch somewhere and I can submit it for you
10:00<test>azeem... you are almost convincing me now :P
10:01<test>Ok, let's try it. I know how to put deb-src into my sources.list, but I actually never tried downloading a source before. Any tip?
10:02<test>I'll log here using my Debian system.
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10:03<azeem>!deb-src
10:03<dpkg>You can have apt download the <source package> from which a <binary package> was compiled using a "deb-src" line in your <sources.list>. A line like "deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian sid main" does NOT make any binary packages available. Ask me about <source> <package recompile> <ssb>; make sure the "build-essential" package is installed. You might need linux-headers-$(uname -r) package installed.
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10:03<azeem>!source
10:03<dpkg>As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; retrieve dependencies with <apt-get build-dep>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> <source package>
10:03<test-debian>Here I am!
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10:04*azeem is going jogging now, have fun and good perseverance, see you later
10:04<test>It would be more fun if you were here with me, but okay, I'll try. see you later.
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10:07<RoyK>what are these processes? http://paste.debian.net/1214936/
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10:08<RoyK>it seems qemu6 is inn bullseye-backports, but how can I install it?
10:10<user45367>RoyK: https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
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10:11<mimmo>wine
10:11<test-debian>Ok, I have these files now: software-properties-0.96.20.2 software-properties_0.96.20.2-2.1.dsc software-properties_0.96.20.2-2.1.debian.tar.xz software-properties_0.96.20.2.orig.tar.xz
10:11<test-debian>software-properties-0.96.20.2 ├── software-properties_0.96.20.2-2.1.debian.tar.xz ├── software-properties_0.96.20.2-2.1.dsc └── software-properties_0.96.20.2.orig.tar.xz
10:12<test-debian>I have no idea now what to do with them.
10:12<test-debian>I'll mess around a little
10:12<another>what do you want to do?
10:12<mimmo>test-debian: Debian 11.0 "bullseye"
10:12<test-debian>I want to see the "source" of the package
10:12<dvs>that's old!
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10:13<test-debian>But there are too many files. I'm not used to programming... Maybe I could search inside all of them for the term I want?
10:14<test-debian>'apt-get source software-properties-gtk' gave me 3 different files + a directory
10:15<another>e.g. `tar -tvf <tar-file>`
10:15<mimmo>irc.debian.org
10:16<another>shows you the file list of a tar file
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10:16<mimmo>wine
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10:20<test-debian>@another I've decompressed the 2 files. I think I should now search inside all files and directories here for a term. What's the best tool to do that? find?
10:20<test-debian>grep maybe?
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10:21<another>grep -R term folder
10:21<test-debian>thanks!
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10:23<test-debian>Okay, I guess I can't do everything by myself... xD
10:23<test-debian>Can someone help me with patching this bug?
10:24<test-debian>It doesn't look like it should be hard. But I'm not used to doing something like that.
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10:46<Sqrt{not}>test-debian, you could reply to the bug, and briefly summarize your own problems that were caused by the bug. This would confirm that it is still a problem, and give another angle on how it affects new users. send email to: 950232@bugs.debian.org
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11:18<marco>I completely broke my apt. All was well until this morning: gnome-software complained about updating packages: "unmet dependencies". I googled about it and fell here: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/-/issues/951 where somebody suggested "apt dist-upgrade". I did but didn't notice that many packages were going to be removed. I simply let it run hoping that everything would be ok once completed. After a time, apt stopped
11:18<marco>complained of many errors. Now, I can't do a "sudo apt-get install -f". What should I do?
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11:22<Sqrt{not}>marcodiego, let's sort it out step by step. can you show us your /etc/apt/sources.list file in a pastebin?
11:24<marcodiego>Sqrt{not}, https://paste.debian.net/1214944/
11:25<marcodiego>Sqrt{not}, It still updates something from waydroid when I do an "apt-get update"
11:25<jkc>Check /etc/apt/sources.list.d for additional files.
11:26<marcodiego>jkc, Sqrt{not} ls on /etc/apt/sources.list.d : https://paste.debian.net/1214946/
11:26<marcodiego>should I chmod -x these files?
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11:32<jkc>That does nothing, they're not executable to begin with.
11:32<jkc>Do you want those repos, still?
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11:32<marcodiego>jkc, any device? I'm willing to remove them if that fix my system
11:33<marcodiego>jkc, can I move them to another directory?
11:33<jkc>That will work.
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11:34<Sqrt{not}>marcodiego, how long ago did you comment out (with #) those first lines in sources.list that talk about "stable" ?
11:35<marcodiego>jkc, done: https://paste.debian.net/1214947/
11:36<marcodiego>Sqrt{not}, think it was a few weeks ago. I installed this debian from debootstrap. I'm not entirily sure initial config was sane, but it was working perfectly till this happened
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11:37<marcodiego>Sqrt{not}, should I uncomment those lines?
11:37<Sqrt{not}>no! you should be OK. when you installed, did you install buster?
11:38<marcodiego>Sqrt{not}, I think "lsb_release -a" always said bullseye
11:39<Sqrt{not}>OK, that is good
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11:40<Tj>marcodiego: are you able to share the apt history.log? as in " cat /var/log/apt/history.log | nc termbin.com 9999 "
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11:41<marcodiego>Tj: https://termbin.com/f81j
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11:46<Tj>marcodiego: ouch!
11:46<marcodiego>Tj, please tell me it is fixable
11:47<Tj>marcodiego: everything is fixable... once we know how it broke :)
11:48<marcodiego>the log makes it well clear when everything broke: the "apt-get dist-upgrade"
11:48<Tj>marcodiego: I've checked a few of the removed packages and their versions are from bullseye, which is good. What isn't clear is why they were removed
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11:50<marcodiego>Tj can the packages be reinstalled forcefully?
11:51<Tj>marcodiego: we may be able to identify commands you used that could have broken it. Do you generally prefix commands with "sudo" each time, or become 'root' user with "sudo -i" ? If the former, the auth.log should show all commands you issued using 'sudo'
11:51<marcodiego>Tj, isn't my bash history enough?
11:52<marcodiego>Tj I almost never su to root
11:53<Tj>marcodiego: look at /var/log/auth.log for the times between "2021-10-09 23:43:03" and "2021-10-10 11:00:21"
11:53<Tj>marcodiego: bash history doesn't track timestamps
11:53<Habbie>it does if the session is still open, but they're lost afterwards, by default
11:53<marcodiego>Tj, does " sudo cat /var/log/auth.log | nc termbin.com 9999 " does it for you?
11:54<Tj>Habbie: I don't see any timestamp data here with bullseye/bash
11:55<Habbie>Tj, sorry, was looking up the secret spell: HISTTIMEFORMAT="%c " history
11:55<Tj>marcodiego: if you're happy to share that - it may contain some confidential details you may not want to share
11:55<marcodiego>also, I know the exact command that broke it: it was the first apt-get dist upgrade after installing xosview
11:55<marcodiego>Tj, there's nothing sensible in this installation, I'll share it
11:55<Tj>Habbie: oooo thanks, wish I'd known of that before!
11:55<Habbie>Tj, it sometimes comes in handy
11:56<Habbie>Tj, but then comes the predictable disappointment when 100 lines back all timestamps start being the same - because they were loaded from .bash_history
11:56<Tj>Habbie: for diags, for sure, many thanks. All these years and never spotted that was a runtime 'view' option, rather than a config for recording
11:56<marcodiego>here is my auth.log: https://termbin.com/ihqm
11:56<Habbie>Tj, it appears to be both
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11:59<Tj>marcodiego: can't see anything before the actualy dist-upgrade to cause the issue, so either it is in earlier log entries or something else caused this
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12:00<marcodiego>Tj, so... do you need more info? Anything I can do?
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12:00<marcodiego>Tj, but indeed, it was working perfectly before the dist-upgrade
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12:00<Tj>marcodiego: I think you're going to have to manually install some basic packages to get things rolling, the challenge is identifying which packages :)
12:01<marcodiego>Tj, time is not a problem for the next few hours :) Don't want to abuse your goodwill though. Can I get this list of "basic packages" from a deboostrap?
12:02<Tj>marcodiego: no, not that; usually this is caused because some (group of) package(s) declare a 'Conflicts:' or 'Replaces:' that forces other packages to be removed.
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12:04<marcodiego>Tj... ok. So it maybe a problem on the debian repos?
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12:13<Tj>marcodiego: can you do " apt-get -o=Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true dist-upgrade |& tee /tmp/dist-upgrade.log " and then share the /tmp/dist-upgrade.log
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12:14<marcodiego>Tj, : https://termbin.com/b1cy
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12:19<Tj>marcodiego: can you show us what you backed up? " ls -latr /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bak/ " in case they give a clue
12:20<marcodiego>Tj, I dont think that is of much help, but I'll list it here: jellyfin.list jellyfin.list.save waydroid.list waydroid.list.save
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12:24<Tj>marcodiego: I may have identifed a clue from your auth.log "Oct 10 10:51:26 karolina-UB82X PackageKit: uid 1000 obtained auth for org.freedesktop.packagekit.system-sources-refresh"
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12:25<marcodiego>Tj, not sure if it may have any influence, but I have guix installed on this system. Sometimes it messes with some of my environment vars
12:27<Tj>marcodiego: show us " ls -latr /var/lib/apt/lists/ "
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12:28<marcodiego>Tj: https://termbin.com/nius
12:29<Tj>marcodiego: this is very strange!
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12:31<Tj>marcodiego: what does this report? " apt-cache policy libqt5gui5 "
12:31<marcodiego>https://termbin.com/eu4m
12:32<marcodiego>Tj, https://termbin.com/eu4m
12:32<Tj>marcodiego: let's try installing a few key packages. start with " apt install libqt5gui5 "
12:33<marcodiego>fingers crossed...
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12:34<marcodiego>Tj, no luck: https://paste.debian.net/1214956/
12:34<Tj>marcodiego: aha!! "libqt5gui5 : Conflita: libqt5gui5-gles mas 5.15.2+dfsg-4 está para ser instalado"
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12:36<Tj>marcodiego: and "apt-cache policy libqt5gui5-gles" shows "Replaces: libqt5egldeviceintegration5 (<< 5.6.0~beta+dfsg-5~), libqt5xcbqpa5 (<< 5.6.0~beta+dfsg-5~)"
12:36<Tj>marcodiego: I suspect, but need to prove, that this is the cause
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12:38<Tj>marcodiego: and also shows "Conflicts: libqt5gui5"
12:38<Tj>marcodiego: so, something in dist-upgrade caused those 2 -gles packages to install, and due to Replaces/Conflicts, that caused other packages to be removed
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12:39<Tj>marcodiego: so first lets remove those 2. "apt purge libqt5gui5-gles libqt5quick5-gles"
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12:40<marcodiego>Tj, doesn't work: https://termbin.com/544dn and finishes with "E: Dependências desencontradas. Tente 'apt --fix-broken install' sem nenhum pacote (ou especifique uma solução)."
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12:42<marcodiego>maybe these packages have to be purged using dpkg?
12:43<Tj>marcodiego: that's OK, it's starting to make sense. There are a set of packages that need one or the other of those packages. I think we have to break the install ourselves using 'dpkg --remove' to remove those 2, then apt should be able to install the packages we want installed.
12:43<Tj>marcodiego: try "dpkg --remove libqt5gui5-gles libqt5quick5-gles"
12:43<Tj>marcodiego: if we're in luck that should only remove those 2 and no others
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12:44<marcodiego>Tj, no luck: https://paste.debian.net/1214958/
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12:45<Tj>marcodiego: grrr!
12:45<marcodiego>I've never seen apt break so hard :/
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12:47<Tj>marcodiego: there's something weird since those libqt5gui5* packages due declare Conflicts on each other, as well as Replaces, but I note not "Provides" for the virtual packages
12:47<Tj>marcodiego: let's work on something other than the GUI packages for now, see if we can get anything to behave at all
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12:48<coruja>marcodiego: side-question, do you have a system backup available?
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12:48<somiaj>,V libqt5egldeviceintegration5
12:48<judd>No package named 'libqt5egldeviceintegration5' was found in amd64.
12:48<Tj>marcodiego: " apt-get -o=Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true perl |& tee /tmp/dist-upgrade.log " and then share the /tmp/dist-upgrade.log if there are failures
12:49<marcodiego>coruja, no. I don't want to lose this system but I was using using mostly for experimentation to learn about installing and using debian from debootstrap
12:49<coruja>marcodiego: ok, maybe think of system backups in future, in case of breaking things again
12:49<marcodiego>Tj, when I type it, I get "E: Operação perl inválida"
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12:50<Tj>marcodiego: hahah typo
12:50<Tj>marcodiego: " apt-get -o=Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true install perl |& tee /tmp/dist-upgrade.log " and then share the /tmp/dist-upgrade.log if there are failures
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12:51<Tj>marcodiego: I /think/ this is due to you building software on this system and some -dev packages
12:51<marcodiego>Tj, https://termbin.com/q6up
12:52<marcodiego>Tj, Only thing I installed from sources was waydroid (which I already uninstalled), CDE and rlt8821CU driver. Maybe it is GUIX fault?
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12:53<Tj>marcodiego: it looks likely it is guix somehow, but doesn't help in resolving the conflicts
12:54<Tj>marcodiego: unless it has installed hooks into apt that are interferring of course
12:55<marcodiego>Tj, I don't think guix installed any hook. This is my output from "export | grep -i guix" https://paste.debian.net/1214960/
12:55<Tj>marcodiego: try "sudo apt install libqt5gui5 libqt5quick5"
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12:56<Tj>marcodiego: we're got to get those 2 back in to force out the -gles counterparts so that packages that depend on either aren't preventing the package replacement
12:57<marcodiego>Tj, https://termbin.com/xoqc
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12:58<lord_rob>Hi! I have installed a fresh copy of Bullseye because my old config was becoming completely unstable. But now I can't make wifi to work on my Thinkpad x230. Any idea how I could fix it ? I already hava firmware-iwlwifi installed
12:58<Tj>marcodiego: try "sudo apt install --fix-broken libqt5gui5 libqt5quick5"
12:59<marcodiego>Tj, https://termbin.com/askp
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13:00<Tj>marcodiego: I think I gave the options in the wrong order!
13:00<Tj>marcodiego: " sudo apt --fix-broken install libqt5gui5 libqt5quick5 "
13:01<Tj>marcodiego: oh, maybe we're suppoed to use apt-get not just apt
13:01<marcodiego>Tj, https://termbin.com/b8qm
13:01<Tj>marcodiego: as in " sudo apt-get --fix-broken install libqt5gui5 libqt5quick5 "
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13:01<marcodiego>Tj, https://termbin.com/12cq
13:02<Tj>marcodiego: same problem so not that!
13:02<marcodiego>maybe dpkg?
13:02<Tj>marcodiego: so we know the problem - these alternate packages have incorrect dependencies
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13:03<lord_rob>I was told earlier by tomreyn to do " cat /proc/{version,cmdline}; lspci -knn | grep -EA3 'Network controller'; dmesg | grep -i 'firmware|iwl' " here's the output : http://paste.debian.net/1214961/
13:03<marcodiego>Tj, any way to force (un)install them or change their dpendencies?
13:04<Tj>marcodiego: well dpkg --remove didn't help since that'd remove all the packages that depend on the removed packages
13:06<Tj>marcodiego: try just downloading the packages: " apt-get --download-only install libqt5gui5 libqt5quick5 "
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13:07<marcodiego>Tj, https://termbin.com/k6io
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13:07<marcodiego>Tj, should I hand download it?
13:08<Tj>marcodiego: try downloading to the current directory (might want to "pushd /tmp" first) : " apt-get download libqt5gui5 libqt5quick5 "
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13:09<marcodiego>Tj, success!
13:09<marcodiego>Tj, what should I do now?
13:09<Tj>marcodiego: well, we only downloaded them. We now need to persuade 'dpkg' to install those over the -gles packages
13:10<Tj>marcodiego: assuming PWD is still /tmp/ "sudo dpkg --install *.deb"
13:10<Tj>marcodiego: I suspect dpkg will need some --force-XXXX option
13:10<marcodiego>Tj, no need. Success again!
13:10<marcodiego>looks like we're walking!
13:11<marcodiego>Tj, do you need the output?
13:11<Tj>marcodiego: not if it was successful
13:11<marcodiego>Tj, so, it is done
13:11<marcodiego>next step?
13:11<Tj>but now check if the -gles versions are uninstalled with "apt list --installed 'libqt5*-gles' "
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13:12<marcodiego>Tj, it comes out empty
13:12<Tj>marcodiego: yay! now try " sudo apt install perl "
13:13<Tj>marcodiego: actually " apt-get --fix-broken install " might work now
13:13<marcodiego>Tj, apt install perl: https://termbin.com/tdpi
13:13<marcodiego>Tj, should I try " apt-get --fix-broken install " now?
13:14<Tj>marcodiego: yes :~)
13:14<marcodiego>Tj, https://termbin.com/sv4y
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13:20<Tj>marcodiego: let's try installing some of the underlying libraries. " sudo apt install libkf5kiowidgets5 libkf5declarative5 libkf5iconthemes5 libkf5quickaddons5 libkf5runner5 libkf5plasma5 "
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13:21<marcodiego>Tj, https://termbin.com/1qv2t
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13:22<Tj>marcodiego: we need to add more!
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13:22<marcodiego>Tj, which?
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13:23<Tj>marcodiego: let's try installing some of the underlying libraries. " sudo apt install libkf5kiowidgets5 libkf5declarative5 libkf5iconthemes5 libkf5quickaddons5 libkf5runner5 libkf5plasma5 kio libkf5configwidgets5 libkf5xmlgui5 "
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13:24<marcodiego>Tj, https://termbin.com/h49fi
13:25<Tj>marcodiego: looks like we're getting closer
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13:27<Tj>marcodiego: " sudo apt install libkf5kiowidgets5 libkf5declarative5 libkf5iconthemes5 libkf5quickaddons5 libkf5runner5 libkf5plasma5 kio libkf5configwidgets5 libkf5xmlgui5 libkf5textwidgets5 libkf5wallet-bin libkf5configwidgets-data libkf5kdegames7 kross plasma-framework libdpkg-perl perl libio-socket-inet6-perl libnet-dns-perl libnet-ssleay-perl texlive-binaries "
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13:28<marcodiego>Tj, https://termbin.com/b33v1
13:28<marcodiego>it is getting smaller
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13:29<Tj>marcodiego: " sudo apt install libkf5kiowidgets5 libkf5declarative5 libkf5iconthemes5 libkf5quickaddons5 libkf5runner5 libkf5plasma5 kio libkf5configwidgets5 libkf5xmlgui5 libkf5textwidgets5 libkf5wallet-bin libkf5configwidgets-data libkf5kdegames7 kross plasma-framework libdpkg-perl perl libio-socket-inet6-perl libnet-dns-perl libnet-ssleay-perl texlive-binaries libkf5krossui5
13:29<Tj>libkf5kiofilewidgets5 libkf5parts5 libkf5newstuff5 libdigest-hmac-perl libnet-ip-perl libperl5.32 libkf5plasmaquick5 libglib2.0-dev "
13:30<Tj>marcodiego: running out of space in the IRC message size
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13:31<marcodiego>Tj, https://termbin.com/i69is
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13:32<Tj>marcodiego: can you add the required packages to the command line manually now? You can see which ones are required?
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13:33<marcodiego>Tj, libsocket6-perl, libkf5bookmarks5, libkf5newstuffcore5, libperl5.32 ?
13:33<Tj>marcodiego: I'm not sure about the libperl5.32:i386 bits
13:33<marcodiego>Tj, I'll try without it
13:34<Tj>marcodiego: so yes, use what you just showed
13:34<marcodiego>Tj, https://termbin.com/9uyz
13:35<Tj>marcodiego: add " libperl5.32 "
13:37<marcodiego>Tj, https://termbin.com/i1qb
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13:37<Tj>marcodiego: this is a multiarch issue between amd64 and i386
13:38<Tj>marcodiego: can you rerun the command with "LANG=C" set so I can see the English error message?
13:38<marcodiego>https://termbin.com/tfnq9
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13:40<Tj>marcodiego: I hate these circular dependencies!
13:40<marcodiego>so do I
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13:43<Tj>marcodiego: #we're so close too
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13:43<marcodiego>hope so
13:44<Tj>something has caused libperl5.32:i386 to be required, which is causing this
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13:45<marcodiego>Tj, can't we list packages that need libperl5.32:i386 and unninstall them?
13:45<Tj>marcodiego: I'm doing that now
13:46<Tj>marcodiego: what does "dpkg --print-foreign-architectures" report?
13:46<marcodiego>Tj, i386
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13:47<marcodiego>Tj, if we have to remove it, I won't oppose
13:48<Tj>marcodiego: looking at my bullseye installs they don't use a foreign-arch; try removing the package with " dpkg --remove libperl5.32:i386 "
13:48<Tj>marcodiego: that'll either remove, or tell you about the packages depending on it
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13:49<marcodiego>Tj, libsnmp40:i386 depends on it
13:49<marcodiego>Tj, should I try to unninstall it with dkpg?
13:49<Tj>marcodiego: yes
13:49<Tj>marcodiego: although this could lead down another rabbit-hole !
13:50<marcodiego>Tj, libsane1:i386 depends on libsnmp40:i386 . Should I try to do it cascade style until it works
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13:51<marcodiego>?
13:51<Tj>marcodiego: it looks like you may have to but I don't understand how this got installed in the 1st place
13:51<marcodiego>Tj, not sure too, but I think it was when I tried to install qemu build dependencies
13:52<marcodiego>Tj, libsane1 was removed
13:52<marcodiego>Tj, libsnmp40 too
13:53<Tj>marcodiego: OK, you can remove libperl5.32:i386 now ?
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13:53<marcodiego>Tj, libperl5.32:i386 removed!
13:53<Tj>right, back to the BIG apt install!
13:53<marcodiego>Tj, ok! Fingers crossed!
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13:55<marcodiego>Tj, progressing...
13:57<marcodiego>Tj, think is was seccessful! https://termbin.com/vtui
13:58<Tj>marcodiego: thank goodness! now do "apt-get --fix-broken install" just in case
13:58<Tj>marcodiego: and you may now still need to install the top-level packages that were earlier removed by dist-upgrade
13:59<marcodiego>Tj, "apt-get --fix-broken install" didn't complaim, but listed a lot of "no longer required" packages
13:59<marcodiego>Tj, what should I do now? dist-upgrade?
14:00<Tj>marcodiego: right, since the top-level packages got removed. now do "apt install kde-plasma-desktop task-gnome-desktop "
14:00<Tj>marcodiego: what you now have to do is reinstall those top-level packages until you no longer see "no longer required" reported
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14:01<Tj>marcodiego: I'm working from your original /var/log/history.log 's dist-upgrade removal list ot identify them. https://termbin.com/f81j
14:01<marcodiego>Tj, understand. I just don't know how to find out such packages
14:04<marcodiego>Tj, "apt install kde-plasma-desktop task-gnome-desktop " was successful
14:04<Tj>marcodiego: the list of files "apt-get --assume-no autoremove" reports will help
14:05<Tj>marcodiego: we have to use logic and tools to figure out which are the top-level packages that Depend: on others
14:06<marcodiego>Tj, "apt-get --assume-no autoremove" listed many packages. Do you want this list?
14:07<Tj>marcodiego: yes please
14:07<Tj>marcodiego: you could just reinstall the list but then they'd all be marked 'manual' not 'automatic' and not get uninstalled as expected
14:07<marcodiego>Tj, https://termbin.com/pci8
14:09<Tj>marcodiego: oh my!
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14:11<marcodiego>Tj, can't we list the packages that were removed by the dist-upgrade and then install them?
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14:12<Tj>marcodiego: because we only want to list the top-level packages, and we have no easy way to identify those when they're not installed. If they were installed we could use "debfoster --show-keepers"
14:13<Tj>marcodiego: I'm writing a script to parse the list
14:13<marcodiego>Tj, "debfoster --show-keepers" says "command not found"
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14:16<sussudio>marcodiego: so install it and/or run it with sudo if it's already installed.
14:17<marcodiego>Tj, debfoster installed from apt-get. "debfoster --show-keepers" says "The keeper list is empty."
14:18<marcodiego>Tj, I mean "sudo debfoster --show-keepers" says "The keeper list is empty."
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14:19<Tj>marcodiego: yes, as I said, it's no good in this situation. However, you have to do "sudo debfoster -q" first to build its database
14:20<Tj>marcodiego: I've filtered the package list and removed all lib* packages so far
14:20<marcodiego>Tj, I'm sorry for giving you so much work :/
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14:22<Tj>marcodiego: here's the cleaned list; from which we now pick out the obvious top-level packages and reinstall them https://termbin.com/9hul
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14:22<marcodiego>Tj, so I have to apt-get install this list?
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14:26<Tj>marcodiego: we'll do it in batches. "sudo apt install akonadi-server anjuta apache2 apt-file arduino ark bless blinken bluedevil build-essential calligra devscripts dkms dolphin dragonplayer git gitweb gnome gnome-software php7.4-cli powerdevil "
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14:29<Tj>marcodiego: " sudo apt install mono-devel openshot perlmagick php-pear picmi python2.7 python-all q4wine rosegarden sane-utils stellarium swaks sweeper step xmlto "
14:29<marcodiego>still installing the first batch...
14:29<Tj>OK
14:31<marcodiego>first batch successful!
14:31<marcodiego>following to the second...
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14:34<marcodiego>Tj, second batch successful! What's next?
14:34<Tj>marcodiego: now I need the latest "apt-get --assume-no autoremove" list
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14:35<marcodiego>Tj, https://paste.debian.net/1214972/
14:37<Tj>marcodiego: list is much reduced now https://termbin.com/1114 --- I'm working through it for another batch
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14:39<nwf>Hello channel. I've checked out the `bullseye` branch of https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/linux.git and am attempting to rebuild the official deb files. But README.Debian says to run `fakeroot make -f debian/rules.gen build-arch_ppc64el`, which dies of `make: debian/rules.gen: No such file or directory`. If I try the command from the official builder (`dpkg-buildpackage
14:39<nwf>--sanitize-env -uc -us ...`), that dies with `dpkg-buildpackage: error: cannot read debian/control: No such file or directory` even though the official builder appears to run `make` to create that file. So the question is, which piece(s) am I holding wrong?
14:40<nwf>(Sorry, meant to link to official builder build log, too: https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=linux&arch=ppc64el&ver=5.10.70-1&stamp=1633057713&raw=0)
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14:41<Tj>marcodiego: " sudo apt install cdparanoia cvs cvsps dvd+rw-tools dvdauthor dvgrab edict elfutils elpa-desk emacs fakechroot figlet flatpak-builder fp-ide-3.2.0 gnugo growisofs jq k3b melt mono-utils openjade qhull-bin recordmydesktop screen sshfs signon-plugin-oauth2 teckit uil vcdimager "
14:42<marcodiego>Tj, "Unable to locate package elpa-desk" should I just remove it from the list?
14:42<Tj>marcodiego: typo, should be elpa-dash
14:43<marcodiego>progressing...
14:43<marcodiego>Tj, done! Do you need a new autoremove list?
14:43<Tj>marcodiego: after that re-run the autoremove listing and see what is still remaining. You should be able to figure out which of those to install to clear the list entirely
14:43<Tj>marcodiego: yes
14:44<marcodiego>Tj, it is still quite big: https://paste.debian.net/1214975/
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14:45<Tj>marcodiego: mostly libs, so we need to figure out what top-level packages pulls those in
14:45<marcodiego>Tj, I'd love if there was a apt command to do it automatically
14:46<Tj>marcodiego: yes, would be nice. Here's the latest cleaned up list https://termbin.com/1w1p
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14:48<marcodiego>Tj, will you send me another batch?
14:48<Tj>marcodiego: start off with the fp* using " apt install fpc-3.2.0 "
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14:49<Tj>marcodiego: and " apt install libgtk2.0-dev "
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14:50<marcodiego>Tj, done!
14:50<marcodiego>I think I can install kdenlive and lazarus, right?
14:51<Tj>marcodiego: sure, and also "qml-module-qtwebkit"
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14:52<Tj>marcodiego: and also "dh-lua"
14:52<marcodiego>Tj, what about kde-edu, kde-games and texmaker?
14:53<Tj>marcodiego: go for it - if you recall what you know should be there, install it!
14:53<Tj>marcodiego: the more top-levels you recall and install, the smaller that autoremove list will become
14:55<Tj>marcodiego: I notice possibly "musescore" too? I'm using "apt-cache rdepends <packagename>" to identify the reverse dependencies of some of these packages, and then from that trying to intelligently guess which of the listed packages pulled the target in
14:55<marcodiego>yes, I had musescore installed
14:56<Tj>marcodiego: and looks like "asymptote-x11" too (that pulls in some of the python3-* libs)
14:58<marcodiego>Tj, also, I had many packages there were installed by "apt-get build-dep"
14:58<Tj>marcodiego: yes, those are the harder ones to id, except for -dev packages of course
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14:58<Tj>marcodiego: but i think you're about back to some sensible state now aren't you?
14:59<marcodiego>Tj, autoremove list is now in "488 MB disk space" do you want it?
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14:59<Tj>marcodiego: yes, lets try to reduce that some more
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14:59<marcodiego>Tj, https://paste.debian.net/1214977/
15:00<marcodiego>Tj, isn't there a way to list all packages that were installed before disaster struck?
15:01<Tj>marcodiego: not easily since you started from debootstrap, unless that was a bare minimum, in which case there may be further 'install' lists in /var/log/apt/history.*
15:02<marcodiego>Tj, hmmm... so I'll wait for another suggestion for the next batch
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15:05<Tj>marcodiego: here's the command to generate the cleaned list, "apt-get --assume-no autoremove |& sed -n -e 's/^ \(.*\)/\1/p' | sed 's/ /\n/g' | sort | grep -v '^lib' "
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15:07<Tj>marcodiego: did you have 'playonlinux' installed?
15:07<marcodiego>Tj, I had
15:07<Tj>ok, that is on the list to readd then, I found several packages as rdepends of that
15:09<Tj>marcodiego: I have to leave for dinner now; you should be able to resolve the remaining bits
15:09<marcodiego>Tj, thanks!
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15:10<marcodiego>Tj, I'd like to know how you did it, so I could fix the system myself if it ever breaks again in the future
15:10<Tj>marcodiego: did it? lots of experience
15:10<marcodiego>:)
15:10<Tj>marcodiego: being able to recognise what packages are expected, and what dependency relationships look like
15:11<vv221>My wild guess would be knowledge of "meta-packages", and a heavy use of `apt rdepends $package` ;)
15:11<marcodiego>Tj, how can I get a list of packages that were unninstalled by the dist-upgrade? I think that would help a lot
15:11<Tj>vv221: in this case no, it was 99% 'intuition' a.k.a. experience
15:11<Tj>marcodiego: that's in the /var/log/apt/history.log
15:12<marcodiego>Tj, thanks! I take a look at that! You deserve an award!
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15:19<Sqrt{not}>nwf, what is your actual goal here?
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15:22<nwf> Sqrt{not}: https://bugs.debian.org/990279 suggests that my amdgpu-on-PowerPC woes are due to a forgotten backport to the stable 5.10 series. I would like to add that patch and rebuild an otherwise stock kernel.
15:22<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/990279 in src:linux (open, upstream, patch): «linux-image-5.10.0-7-powerpc64le: Upgrade to 5.10.0-7-powerpc64le from 5.10.0-0.bpo.5-powerpc64le breaks amdgpu»; severity: normal; opened: 2021-06-24; last modified: 2021-08-10.
15:23<nwf>In the interim, I have been pointed at https://kernel-team.pages.debian.net/kernel-handbook/ch-common-tasks.html and so far it's working (though admittedly, it's only gotten as far as making the sphinx docs)
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15:24<nwf>(I can't jump up to the stable 5.14 series in sid, which has the missing patch, though, because zfs is broken on PowerPC there, so I've hand-rolled the equivalent amdgpu patch back to 5.10)
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15:29<Sqrt{not}>nwf, glad to hear it's starting to work... sounds like an educational adventure
15:30<nwf>An involuntary one, to be sure, but yes, nevertheless, I suspect it will have been educational by its end.
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16:07<marcodiego>if anyone was following my saga, I got the list all packages that were removed from the botched dist-upgrade and used a command to install each of them. I now have my system with the mostly same packages installed before the problem happened :)
16:08<ejohb>:)
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17:14<lord_rob>Hi! I can't use my wifi on Bullseye. I think it's a firmware problem, as I can see : [ 5.346177] iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: firmware: failed to load iwl-debug-yoyo.bin (-2)
17:14<lord_rob>How could I fix that?
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17:17<azeem>lord_rob: that seems to be just a debug thing and not the cause of wifi not working
17:17<azeem>see e.g. the discussion in https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=208421
17:17<Sqrt{not}>the (-2) is -ENOENT which means it doesn't find that file on your filesystem
17:18<azeem>lord_rob: not sure what the problem is; as bullseye is still pretty close to bookwork, you can try installing the 5.14 kernel from there and see whether that helps
17:18<azeem>(I did it in order to get bluetooth working on my T14s e.g.)
17:19<azeem>lord_rob: also, how do you know wifi isn't working?
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17:20<Sqrt{not}>but I agree that missing file is not your actual problem. what are the symptoms of " I can't use my wifi" ?
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17:21<lord_rob>azeem: because the green light is turned off
17:21<azeem>could be a hardware kill-switch or something? What system is this?
17:21<azeem>like a hot-key I mean
17:21<somiaj>you could check out the output of 'rfkill'
17:21<somiaj>though that might not be installed by default
17:22<lord_rob>here's the output of dmesg | grep iwlwifi : http://paste.debian.net/1214993/
17:22<azeem>[ 5.621217] iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: RF_KILL bit toggled to disable radio.
17:22<azeem>there you go
17:22<somiaj>also run 'ip a' do you see a wifi interface there?
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17:22<azeem>!rfkill
17:22<dpkg>/dev/rfkill is the Linux rfkill (radio frequency <killswitch>) device interface, available since Linux 2.6.31. It is used to enable and disable wireless networking devices (e.g. wireless LAN, Bluetooth, WiMAX). The rfkill userspace tool for accessing this interface is in the rfkill package. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Documentation/rfkill
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17:27<lord_rob>I think rfkill should be installed directly on debian install
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17:28<lord_rob>(maybe it is but I installed bullseye from the live iso)
17:29*lord_rob rebooting
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17:31<somiaj>a lot of the time it is hardware switch vs software, so rfkill just informs you it is on, but you have to hit some fn+key to toggle the hardware switch
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17:36<lord_rob>WiFi is still not working :( [ 4.708671] iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: RF_KILL bit toggled to disable radio.
17:36<somiaj>what did you actually change, did you install rfkill?
17:37<somiaj>I would first look at hardware wifi kill toggles
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17:37<lord_rob>somiaj: I installed rfkill yes
17:38<somiaj>what is the output of rfkill, does it say it is a soft or hard block?
17:38<lord_rob>dmesg | grep iwlwifi : http://paste.debian.net/1214994/
17:38<azeem>the output of rfkill
17:38<azeem>it's a command
17:38<somiaj>that is not what I asked for
17:39<lord_rob>yes
17:39<somiaj>'what is the output of rfkill' that means run rfkill
17:39<lord_rob>hard block
17:39<somiaj>that means it is your hardware, you have a hardware kill switch you need to togle, this is not a software issue
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17:39<azeem>lord_rob: so again, what kind of system is this?
17:39<somiaj>usually the softkill isn't enabled (which is why rfkill isn't usually installed by default), and there is some hardware switch, might be an fn+some key
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17:39<somiaj>though this varies from hardware to hardware how you toggle the hardware kill switch
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17:43<lord_rob>ok problem fixed thanks ! I needed rfkill, it was the problem
17:43<azeem>cool
17:44<somiaj>how did you fix the problem? And rfkill doesn't do anything for 'hard blocks' so you didn't need it
17:45<somiaj>just try to understand the actual problem, rfkill and linux/debian can do nothing for a 'hard block'. It can help inform you of this hard block but can't really do anything about it, the issue was a hardware configuration
17:45<lord_rob>the wifi hard switch was off, I don't understand why. I used to toggle it on and off for testing. But it was on to begin with. I guess I kept it off by mistake
17:46<somiaj>rfkill had nothing to do with this, so 'I needed rfkill, it was the problem' is false.
17:46<azeem>can we move on?
17:46<azeem>let's all agree somiaj is right
17:46<lord_rob>yes
17:47<somiaj>this is often why rfkill isn't installed by default, usually a soft block isn't turned on by default, so a tool to toggle soft blocks isn't needed (though it is useful to determine the cause of the block)(
17:47<somiaj>anyways, glad you figured out the problem, I just like to ensure something is learned from the fix. (:
17:47<lord_rob>thank you azeem and somiaj :)
17:47*azeem is surprised there isn't a systemd-based utility for that, but I guess that means it's really not a common thing
17:48<somiaj>most likely rfkill is a front end to toggleing something in /sys (wild guess)
17:49<azeem>it's maintained by Lamont, so likely predates /sys
17:49<azeem>*rimshot*
17:50<azeem>anway, good night
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17:50<lord_rob>gn I leave too
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17:51<somiaj>I did find some issue where a udev rule can set the soft block to on/off when the device is detected
17:51<azeem>(btw, there's systemd-rfkill.service, but I guess it uses rfkill internally)
17:52<Paganini>Hi people! Does anyone here uses Evolution e-mail client?
17:52<somiaj>yea, I wonder what substytem rfkill is actually using to toggle the soft block, seems most just suggest rfkill
17:52<somiaj>Paganini: you should just ask your question. Do you have an issue with evolution on debian?
17:52<Paganini>I'm trying to manage my calendar agenda (events) in a similar way as the Microsoft Outlook that I've used these years, but I miss some functionalities.
17:52<Paganini>Maybe is some lack of experience an my behalf but I can't select several notes at the same time...
17:52<Paganini>And I cannot select and view for example 2 days in the view panel, except if they are days next to each other... Example: cannot select day 5 and day 28 at the same time...
17:52<Paganini>Could you please tell me if there's a way on how to do it? Or could you please help me suggesting alternatives?
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17:53<Paganini>I'm trying to manage my calendar agenda (events) in a similar way as the Microsoft Outlook that I've used these years, but I miss some functionalities.
17:53<Paganini>I'm trying to manage my calendar agenda (events) in a similar way as the Microsoft Outlook that I've used these years, but I miss some functionalities.
17:53<somiaj>Paganini: we saw most of your message, please don't slow spam it
17:54<Paganini>somiaj: Don't I need to reapeat it? I was kicked, don't know why.
17:54<somiaj>https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution
17:54<somiaj>Paganini: you spammed to many lines to quickly
17:55<somiaj>Anyways, I don't use evolution so cannot answer you, they list an email list (probably what I would suggest) and a irc channel on irc.gimp.org that you could try if no one speaks up here
17:55<Paganini>No spam! Is just that my question has several lines, in order to be able to explain the issue.
17:56<somiaj>yea, but it was a flood and the bot detected it because it was so fast. You could have also put them on fewer lines. Anyways, no issue now, you can wait around here see if anyone can help, or try evelolution's user support methods I linked
17:57<Paganini>I've tried irc.gimp.org. But it seems nobody answers there...
17:57<Paganini>I will probably use their email list, as you suggested.
17:58<somiaj>it appears their mailing list is the better place for user support, you may have wait a few days for someone to reply though
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18:00<Paganini>somiaj: Ok thanks. But do you know if there's another program which allows me to do what I need? It doesn't need to be Evolution email client...
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18:02<somiaj>I don't, espically if you want all the integration evolution has
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18:03<somiaj>though if it is just a calendar app you want, you could search for debian calendar apps and try various ones out to see if any suit your needs
18:03<somiaj>maybe run 'apt search --names-only calendar'
18:04<somiaj>though I'm not seeing anything that stands out in that search
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18:10<boud>Are there any well-known hacks needed when compiling upstream gcc on arm64 using debian gcc? Example: compile 10.2.0 upstream source with debian 10.2.1-6, or 11.2.0 upstream with debian 11.2.0-8?
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18:11<boud>I browsed the debian/ directory in the gcc-11 source and didn't see anything obvious that was arm64 specific.
18:11<somiaj>,v gcc
18:11<judd>Package: gcc on amd64 -- stretch: 4:6.3.0-4; buster: 4:8.3.0-1; bookworm: 4:10.2.1-1; bullseye: 4:10.2.1-1; sid: 4:10.2.1-1; experimental: 4:11.2.0-1
18:12<boud>I'm asking because on 10.2.0/10.2.1-6 I get an ICE - internal compiler error.
18:12<boud>hmmmm
18:12<somiaj>Unsure here, so the issue is debian's gcc doesn't compile code correctly on arm64?
18:13<somiaj>also 11.2.0-8 where are you getting this debian version, I see no gcc of that version in debian.
18:13<boud>Yes, that's the issue. But I see that versions disagree... The system is actually debian/mobian, not debian directly.
18:13<somiaj>so maybe this debian derivative has done something to break gcc on arm64.
18:14<somiaj>I don't know the answer to complining gcc, because it is not something I have done, but we also only support debian pure blends here. So at this point it is unsure if your actual issue (gcc not working) is due to debian's package or your derivatives changes
18:14<somiaj>but in general if you aren't running debian pure blend, we don't offer support here
18:15<somiaj>so even if we knew how to compile gcc on debian arm64 that advice might not work on your sytem.
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18:15<boud>https://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gcc-10/gcc-10-base_10.2.1-6_arm64.deb seems to be debian bookworm, not mobian
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18:16<somiaj>ahh yea, I guess the meta package won't get updated as much as the actual package, that explains things
18:16<boud>Sorry, not bookworm
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18:16<boud>bullseye
18:16<somiaj>,v gcc-10-base
18:16<judd>Package: gcc-10-base on amd64 -- bullseye: 10.2.1-6; bookworm: 10.3.0-11; sid: 10.3.0-11
18:16<somiaj>,v gcc-11-base
18:16<judd>Package: gcc-11-base on amd64 -- bookworm: 11.2.0-8; sid: 11.2.0-8
18:17<boud>That matches better.
18:17<boud>I'm not asking for support, just wondering if there's a good place for clues.
18:17<somiaj>either way, it could be an issue with the base system and not just the package, in general we don't want to guess what derivatives have done when debugging things. As for where to go, I would start with your distro support
18:17<somiaj>!mobian
18:17<dpkg>visit https://wiki.mobian-project.org/doku.php?id=install and https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/PINE64/PinePhone
18:17<boud>Mobian aims to integrate into standard Debian as much as possible.
18:18<somiaj>yea, still some small differences mean things that work in debian no longer work elsewhere, it is hard to track.
18:18<Sqrt{not}>or even https://wiki.mobian-project.org/doku.php?id=start
18:18<somiaj>but your actual issue is the compiler doens't work and thus you think complining upstream may fix it?
18:19<Paganini>somiaj: Thanks for all your help.
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18:20<boud>The actual issue is science reproducibility in Maneage (https://maneage.org) - which does not aim to become a distribution, although I see it as partly being a user-level-only micro-distribution.
18:21<boud>This aims to bootstrap from a minimal unix-like (or posix compatible) system so that scientist X can reproduce the full pipeline from raw source + scripts + data of scientist Y's peer-reviewed publication and end up with the same pdf presenting the same results.
18:22<boud>So that scientist X doesn't have to spend 3 months trying to work out what scientist Y really did in all the very specific details - e.g. library differences.
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18:24<boud>So: the compiler does work for any ordinary source (as far as I know), except for compiling the compiler itself.
18:25<boud>The reason for compiling the upstream version is so that scientist X has (as far as possible) the exact same computing environment as scientist Y did, even though they may have been using very different unix-like systems, and might be 5 or 10 or 20 years apart.
18:25<boud>We don't want to force scientist X in 2041 to install debian from 2021.
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18:31<boud>I'll ask about this in #mobian if the bug persists, though I'll probably file the primary bug report at Maneage. However, this issue is likely to be low priority in the Mobian community - getting a phone that satisfies expectations of a 'daily driver' smartphone doesn't have 'doing reproducible science' as a high priority.
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19:14<Sqrt{not}>boud, a more interesting question for 2041 might be how reproducible such things will be on a mainstream OS distribution (such as debian) with support for various general purpose computers; as opposed to what happened on a niche smartphone-like splinter distro running on specialized hardware
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19:29<Gerowen>Is there a way to copy/paste things out of an SSH terminal in Vinagre? I can paste things into it with shift+insert, but I can't figure out how to copy and paste something from that so that I can paste it elsewhere.
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19:34<Sqrt{not}>Gerowen, do you run it under gnome? if so, do the gnome copy/paste mechanisms work?
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19:37<Gerowen>When I right click any text in the terminal window I just get nothing. Keyboard shortcuts do work though, which is why I can paste things with shift+insert. Is there some other copy shortcut besides ctrl+c, since that just cancels whatever command is running?
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19:40<Sqrt{not}>Gerowen, one level I know of is to highlight text with the mouse, then in the other window paste it with the 3rd (center) mouse button (or scroll wheel)
19:43<Sqrt{not}>Gerowen, also, I think the keyboard copy paste in gnome can also be accessed via ctrl/shift/C and ctrl/shift/V
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19:44<Gerowen>The middle click thing works, but it also pastes it into the current terminal window in addition to putting in the clipboard. crtl+shift+c doesn't seem to work.
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19:45<Sqrt{not}>ctrl/shift/c "copies" it into some other clipboard.. then you use ctrl/shift/v to paste it at the new place
19:46<Gerowen>The ctrl+shift+c though gets forwarded to the remote machine as ctrl+c and cancels whatever is running.
19:46<Gerowen>Since the middle click option doesn't add a return character though I might be able to live with that.
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19:46<Sqrt{not}>can't you just use the highlight/middle click thing?
19:46<Gerowen>Ima check out Remmina and see if it's any different.
19:47<Gerowen>The highlight middle click works, but in addition to putting it in the middle click clipboard, it also pastes it right back into that machine, so I'd have to backspace and erase it before continuing.
19:48<Sqrt{not}>middle click is "paste" the thing is probably already in the middle click clipboard before you do that
19:49<Sqrt{not}>you just highlight the text with the mouse and that gets it into that middle click clipboard -- just the highlighting
19:49<Gerowen>Ah that was it, thanks!
19:49<Sqrt{not}>that works pretty much all across standard gnome (and other environments too)
19:50<Gerowen>I'd never known about that shortcut, that's pretty neat.
19:50<Sqrt{not}>heh, yes, very very handy
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21:14<boud>Sqrt{not} As fas as I know arm64/aarch64 is the most common architecture for smartphones; Mobian is the Debian derivative that strongly cooperates with the other pinephone distributions; the pinephone and librem 5 are probably the only well-known smartphones that come with a GNU/Linux distribution out-of-the box and whose hardware is maximally FOSS; and in 20 years GNU/Linux phones will have more powerful
21:14<boud>hardware.
21:14<boud>But thanks for the opinion :).
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21:24<Sqrt{not}>boud, good points. I try to remember 2001 --- maybe Nokia feature phones, and Sun workstations and Solaris. I don't think I could have predicted the advances in those things in 20 years.
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22:55-!-mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ
22:55-!-themill changed the topic of #debian to: Debian 11.1 "bullseye" /msg dpkg bullseye | oldstable, Debian 10 "buster" /msg dpkg buster | Stretch (Debian 9) on limited LTS support: /msg dpkg stretch-lts | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog | Community expectations: http://deb.li/conduct
22:56-!-mode/#debian [-o themill] by themill
22:56<themill>(topicdiff: point release 11.1 was released)
22:58<tjcarter>🎉
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23:47<Sqrt{not}>(not as exciting, but 10.11 also released)
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