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---Logopened Thu Oct 14 00:00:19 2021
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00:52<klysm>Hi I'm facing irc-related SSL issues.
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00:52<sney>you may want to ask in the support channel for your irc client, a bunch of them pushed updates or have workarounds for that letsencrypt situation
00:53<klysm>ii irssi 1.0.7-1~deb9u1 i386 terminal based IRC client
00:53<klysm>ok
00:54<klysm>what's the #support channel
00:54<sney>I think it's #irssi on libera
00:54<klysm>no libera nor freenode here
00:56<Sqrt{not}>%irssi
00:56<dselect>[irssi] the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup . See also http://irssi.org/documentation/faq . http://www.irssi.org/ #irssi on open.ircnet.net and irc.libera.chat.
00:57<Sqrt{not}>,v irssi
00:57<judd>Package: irssi on amd64 -- stretch: 1.0.7-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.0.7-1~deb9u1; stretch-backports: 1.2.0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 1.2.0-2+deb10u1; bookworm: 1.2.3-1; bullseye: 1.2.3-1; sid: 1.2.3-1
00:57<Sqrt{not}>you might want to try that stretch backports irssi
00:58<sney>though, I wasn't hit by the LE expiry, would that be a ca-certificates thing rather than the client?
00:58<sney>or maybe openssl
00:58<Sqrt{not}>,v irssi --arch i386
00:58<judd>Package: irssi on i386 -- stretch: 1.0.7-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.0.7-1~deb9u1; stretch-backports: 1.2.0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 1.2.0-2+deb10u1; bookworm: 1.2.3-1; bullseye: 1.2.3-1; sid: 1.2.3-1
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01:20<awal1>"[irssi] the best <IRC> client ever" ? that is subjective :P
01:20<awal1>someone should repair that
01:21<somiaj>our bot is always a bit opinonated
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01:22<somiaj>I think you can can redownload some certs with dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates, though I haven't had any issues
01:22<somiaj>though I guess i'm not on stretch either
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01:39<klysmo>k using stretch-backports irssi, no changes in messages detected.
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01:41<somiaj>https://libera.chat/news/letsencrypt-ca-expiry -- is that what you are running into?
01:41<somiaj>maybe dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates can help update your root certs
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01:42<somiaj>I'm not quite sure on the details, but it seems to affect older installs mostly
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01:53<klysmo>upgrading ca-certificates worked
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02:31<FH_thecat>does Debian use /etc/mail/mailer.conf ?
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02:31<FH_thecat>I need to specify path to sendmail program, to be used by cron
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02:32<FH_thecat>the documentation I found online, seems to refer to BSD
02:33<FH_thecat>or does debian use other file where I can configure custom script for sendmail ?
02:37<sney>MTAs in debian ship a sendmail binary or symlink, if you don't have one of those installed then just stick your sendmail script in $PATH
02:38<jm_>cron just uses /usr/lib/sendmail AFAIK
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02:38<FH_thecat>jm_: my question is, how can I specify custom script to be used instead of sendmail
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02:50<zxspectrum>is there an aot command to see if bullseye-backports has any updates to my exisitin packages?
02:51<zxspectrum>*apt
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02:53<themill>aptitude search ~Vbpo~i
02:54<jm_>FH_thecat: I don't think you can actually
02:54<jm_>FH_thecat: well you could replace /usr/lib/sendmail with something of your own, but upgrades will overwrite that etc.
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02:57<zxspectrum>themill: thanks
02:58<themill>there might be an apt search pattern that can also do it
03:00<themill>zxspectrum: apt list '?installed?version(bpo)'
03:01<themill>or «apt list '?installed?archive(bullseye-backports)'»
03:01<xoddf2>When closing the laptop lid in Xfce, XScreenSaver locks, but displays improperly (as a screen shot of the desktop instead of the black screen with the XScreenSaver unlock dialogue over it). How do I fix it?
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03:01<xoddf2>For some reason, it also reverts to the default wallpaper until unlocked.
03:01<somiaj>apt list ~Vbpo~i also works
03:02<themill>ah very good, I'd not looked enough at the apt patterns to be fluent yet ;)
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03:02<somiaj>Yea, it will take a while to get use to which of the aptitude flags it includes (and the few they changed the syntax off)
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03:03<somiaj>but in this case, it is the same
03:03<themill>the ?narrow stuff in particular is somewhere between different and doesn't work
03:05<jm_>if I read apt man page I'd never guess it supports that, cool :)
03:05<somiaj>jm_: man apt-patterns
03:05<somiaj>issue is knowing which manual page to read, also this is new (in apt 2.0, so in bullseye but not buster)
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03:05<xoddf2>s/unlocked/the lid is reopened/
03:06<jm_>somiaj: I am aware of those from aptitude days, I am saying man apt under SYNOPSIS does not lead one in the right direction
03:06<themill>(it's also for apt list while it's for aptitude search)
03:06<zxspectrum>do you have to have the backports repo in sources.list?
03:06<somiaj>yea, that took me a while to figure out, I kept wondering why apt search ~foo~bar didn't work...
03:06<somiaj>zxspectrum: yes, this only searches through your local cache
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03:07<somiaj>jm_: agreed, they are hiding in the apt-patterns manual page which is not even directly mentioned under 'list' option
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03:08<Unit193>I hate that I'm going to forget these.
03:09<themill>!bdo list
03:09<dpkg>To list all packages you have installed from <debian backports>: «aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Debian Backports))' --disable-columns -F%p»; apt must know about the origin repository for this to work (i.e. you have a 'deb' line for it in sources.list and 'apt-get update' has been run). To list all backported packages available for your system: «apt list '?origin(Debian Backports)'». See also <which repo>.
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03:09<themill>^^ I can't yet find a rune to replace the first of those aptitude things, for instance
03:10<themill>(other than «apt list '~Vbpo~i' | grep backports» and hope noone ever makes a package with backports in the name.
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03:11<somiaj>yea, doesn't appear you can use CURRENT as a version
03:11<themill>also the ?narrow works differently from what I can see
03:12<somiaj>I don't have any backports installed, but what about apt list '?all-versions(~Vbpo~i)'
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03:13<themill>lists noting
03:13<themill>+h
03:13<somiaj>what I got here, but I also have no backports installed, wasn't sure if that would only list all installed versions
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03:14<themill>?all-versions(~Vbpo)' means that all versions available have to have bpo in the version string -- i.e. only packages that are missing from bullseye but in bullseye-backports would be included
03:14<zxspectrum>adriansmith
03:15<somiaj>yea, i was being hopefully including ~i would restrict all-versions to just the installed version
03:16<somiaj>yea looks like apt list needs to either include a CURRENT, or maybe a ?installed-version(PATTERN) which only searches installed packaged version
03:16<zxspectrum>i guess just running atp update will give you an output of what would be upgraded
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03:18<zxspectrum>it would be good though to be able to check the backports repo without adding the repo to your sources
03:18<somiaj>zxspectrum: bullsye-backports packages will not be upgraded to automatically (until you manually install them)
03:20<somiaj>so adding the backports repo will not install anything in your system without manually asking it to
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03:50<Ou42>hello. Debian bullseye KDE on live usb keydrive w/ persistence. Not sure if I deleted it or if it wasn't there from the start, but there's no volume control icon near the clock. How to install one?
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03:54<uos>11
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03:55<Ou42>yes! I want to turn the vol up to 11, but I cannot, because there is not vol control.
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03:56<umlaeute>chances are, it is already on 11
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03:57<Ou42>umlaeute: yes. probably. any help?
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03:58<Ou42>off topic, does deb 11 do auto updates?
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03:58<Ou42>I issued, $ sudo apt upgrade
03:58<Ou42>and then get, Waiting for cache lock: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend. It is held by process 4310 (unattended-upgr)
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03:59<somiaj>Ou42: sounds like just bad timming, waiting for unatteneded-upgrade to finish
04:00<somiaj>and yes, unattneded-upgrades does auto updates and upgrades (for secuirty patches) if it is installed
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04:01<Ou42>somiaj: OK, ty. is it possible to get notified before the updates start? I'm trying to get away from this as it's one of the reasons I'm interested in ditching Windows.
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04:03<somiaj>you can configure it, though update is painless
04:03<umlaeute>uninstall 'unattended-upgrades`?
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04:03<somiaj>note update (and upgrade) are vastly different, just updating your cache once a day is nice so you don't have to rember to do this
04:03<Ou42>somiaj: I'm not so sure it is 'painless' perhaps my laptop is too old or too grouchy.
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04:04<umlaeute>i tend to agree with somiaj
04:04<Ou42>for clarity what is unattended? updates or upgrades?
04:05<somiaj>anyways, you can check /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades and turn things off
04:05<umlaeute>although: its only painless if you do not have a long-running aptitude session (like i typically have). as in #995256
04:05<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/995256 in aptitude (open): «aptitude: TUI loops "Can't find a source to download ..." error»; severity: normal; opened: 2021-09-28; last modified: 2021-09-29.
04:05<umlaeute>Ou42: it's two different things and i was confused, sorry.
04:05<Ou42>it seems to be upgrading things
04:05<somiaj>there is both updates package list, and upgrades.
04:06<umlaeute>'unattended-upgrades' installs new security patches without user-interaction
04:06<Ou42>'Updates' icon near clock initially said 55 things now it says 52.
04:06<somiaj>note you can as suggested also just remove the unatteneded-upgrades package, this is an optional package and usually not installed by default (must be something with your live system)
04:06<somiaj>Ou42: yea, it only installs security updates, but since there was a point release, you have a bunch of other non security updates for that point release
04:07<Ou42>there's always something
04:07<Ou42>OK, different Q ...
04:07<somiaj>anyawys, just remove that package if you don't want it. I use it on my servers but not my desktop
04:08<somiaj>it usually isn't installed by default, but when using some kde image, maybe the desktops install it by default to help desktop users keep up to date on their secuirty packages
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04:08<Ou42>$ sudo apt remove unattended-upgrades
04:09<somiaj>yup, just remove that package if you don't want it, or modify the configuration file I pointed you at and turn it off
04:10<Ou42>Waiting for cache lock: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend. It is held by process 4310 (unattended-upgr)
04:10<Ou42>OK, I tried, but I'm too noob.
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04:10<Ou42>I can do CLI stuff, but I need a bit more ... VECTOR. Direction and Magnitude! Oh Yeah!
04:11<somiaj>vectors don't have to have direction or magnitude
04:11<Ou42>huh?
04:11<somiaj>anyways, might just have to wait for that to finish in this case, but then you can turn it off
04:11<somiaj>only inner product spaces have direction and magnitude
04:11<Ou42>what's a vector then?
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04:12<somiaj>look up vector space, it is off topic here.
04:13<Ou42>OK, but I think you dis'd Vector. He's irked.
04:14<Ou42>equally, if you are unfamiliar, duck: "vector oh yeah"
04:14<Ou42>it's worth it
04:14<Ou42>OK, so how to get an ETA for these unattended upgrades?
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04:15<somiaj>might just need to watch the process, 'ps fax | grep 4310' do you see process 4310 running?
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04:17<Ou42>I guess I just keep sending off "sudo apt update" and see how many packages are left
04:17<Ou42>39 now.
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04:18<somiaj>we just happened to have a point release lately, outside of those (every 2-3 months) upgrades are small and only related to secuirty
04:18<somiaj>point release are usually small (overall) and should only contain major bug fixes, since debian is mostly frozen
04:19<Ou42>yeah, i picked it for it's stability
04:20<Ou42>I've dabbled w/ Mint and Xubuntu in the past
04:20<Ou42>first time on a live usb install too
04:20<somiaj>is this over usb2 by chance?
04:20<somiaj>yea, the live system should speed things up, but still persistance and write speed over usb is a bit slow compared to a standard disk
04:21<Ou42>so too big a jump. It's supposed to be usb3 but I think my laptop is wonky. I get BSoD's. I don't think it's the hw but I can't really tell and what litle I've been able to test against says the hw is fine.
04:22<somiaj>usb3 is a bit faster, but still slower than sata, though maybe because of flash might be closer to a spinning disk
04:22<Ou42>I've got a spinner (hdd) not ssd internal. I'd love to be able to ditch Windows completely, but yeah. My ideal situation would be to have a VM, but if the host isn't stable then shrug?
04:22<somiaj>I don't keep up on all the changes.
04:22<Ou42>it's a key drive. so probably not usb3 speed
04:23<Ou42>I did put my Mint VM on an ext SSD. but again, kinda fearful Windows would BSoD while in the VM and then lose everything.
04:23<somiaj>oh well it is way to late here, best of luck
04:23<Ou42>only 1:30am it's early.
04:24<somiaj>add one time zone, and I should have been in bed hours ago
04:24<Ou42>I used to say, sleep is for sissies! but now I fall asleep on the couch all the time.
04:25<Ou42>somiaj: gn & ty
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04:26<Ou42>27 left to go
04:27<Ou42>OK, so let's assume I try this again, but instead of Live I install natively to the ext and instead of a usb keydrive I get an ext SSD that is USB3 rated
04:29<Ou42>This is not Debian related, but I've had this problem before... is it possible to create this bootable on the ext ssd w/o touching anything on the int hdd? specifically in regard to booting? I'm OK (for now) w/ having to hit F12 to get a boot menu and select the "usb drive"
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04:30<Ou42>(edit: it's not been my experience in Debian that leads me to believe that some UEFI table is updated on the int hdd when installing natively to the ext drive )
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04:39<Ou42>I asked because in the past, per https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=148166
04:39<Ou42>"5. When asked where to install GRUB. Specify the disk you installed the OS to."
04:40<Ou42>wasn't available or in addition to it, the UEFI partition on the int hdd was still written to. Is this the case w/ Debian as well due to limitations/reqs of UEFI?
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08:05<bremner>I vaguely remember some ssh-specific replacement for fail2ban. Does that ring any bells?
08:06<Sebastinas>sshguard?
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08:07<bremner>that looks like it, thanks.
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08:50<bremner>oops, sshguard is not in stable. /me checks tracker
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08:54<bremner>welp, it looks a bit fragile.
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08:57<Sebastinas>I'm hoping for a backport with the fixed config file
08:58<sussudio>,i sshguard
08:58<judd>No package named 'sshguard' was found in bullseye/amd64.
08:58<sussudio>,v sshguard
08:58<judd>Package: sshguard on amd64 -- stretch: 1.7.1-1; buster: 2.3.1-1; bookworm: 2.3.1-2; sid: 2.3.1-2
08:59<bremner>Sebastinas: do you recommend it then?
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08:59<bremner>I always disable passoword login for ssh, so I'm not sure if it's net gain to run some anti-bruteforce tool
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09:01<Sebastinas>Same here - at somewhat reduces the noise in the logs though.
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09:20<grove>I reduce the log noise by running ssh on a non-standard port on my server, a bit of client side work, but a log easier on the server side
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09:34<Tj>best practice is to only allow SSH within a VPN, or use something like fwknop (firewall port knocker)
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09:40<bentham>Best practice according to whom? For many people ssh -D *is* (functionally) the VPN
09:41<imMute>Tj: why would you need to run SSH inside of a VPN?
09:42<koollman>nah best practice is to not allow ssh. Why even have services listening to the network at all ? ;)
09:43<another>"Best practice" on that front is news to me, too. What would you do if your VPN is down?
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09:44<koollman>my actual (not best) practice is to limit the ssh on most servers to some subnets or known ip addresses. Then have only public ssh access on those
09:45<koollman>if you have 10 servers, maybe you don't need to open all of them to the big bad internet. Maybe only 3
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09:47<another>sure. but that depends more on your deployment and I wouldn't put it under "best practice for everyone"
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09:51<bremner>best practice is leave your computer disconnected from power and network
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10:16<muronglie>?
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10:32<testnewdebuser>hi
10:32<testnewdebuser>i have an issue with debain 11 trying to install nvidia driver
10:32<testnewdebuser>Detected NVIDIA GPUs: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GP106M [GeForce GTX 1060 Mobile] [10de:1c20] (rev a1) Checking card: NVIDIA Corporation GP106M [GeForce GTX 1060 Mobile] (rev a1) Uh oh. Failed to identify your Debian suite.
10:33<testnewdebuser>attempted to install nvidia-driver from apt but that fails
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10:34<testnewdebuser>dpkg: error processing package nvidia-driver (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-driver
10:34<dpkg>testnewdebuser: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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10:40<blast007>!bat
10:40<dpkg>[Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
10:43<testnewdebuser>https://paste.debian.net/1215404/
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10:50<blast007>!kali
10:50<dpkg>Kali Linux https://kali.org/ is a security/penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but is different enough that we don't provide support in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.libera.chat or https://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian> and read https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html
10:50<blast007>you'll have to ask Kali support. We only support Debian here.
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10:51<blast007>is this some weird hybrid of kali and debian? I see there's also debian sources in there.
10:53<testnewdebuser>debian base but added kali source into it
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10:57<blast007>!frankendebian
10:57<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian and <reinstall>
11:00<testnewdebuser>had these issues befor ei added the repositorys
11:00<testnewdebuser>but ok we
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11:31<noarb>does anybody know what language syntax from https://pygments.org/languages/ the APT conf files are most similar to? I found "Syntacticly, the configuration language is modeled after what the ISC tools such as bind and dhcp use..." from https://linux.die.net/man/5/apt.conf
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12:04<asdflkj>how do I tell why a package is [installed, automatic]? (find its reverse deps)
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12:05<pert>asdflkj: a simple way is to simulate removing it (apt -s remove foobar) and see what else gets removed. you can get the exact reason from aptitude with 'aptitude why foobar'
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12:07<asdflkj>thanks
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12:33<somiaj>asdflkj: aptitude why packagename is also very useful
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12:56<gbs>приувейф мир йопта
12:56<ansgar>!ru
12:56<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.oftc.net) - debian-russian@lists.debian.org
12:56<gbs>эта старая дрянь еще работает или не?
12:57<gbs>by
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14:27<mattst88>something wrong with systemd_249.5-1?
14:27<mattst88>dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/systemd_249.5-1_arm64.deb (--unpack): unable to sync file '/var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci//postinst': Input/output error
14:27<dpkg>mattst88: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
14:27<mattst88>https://dpaste.com/CEVVLA7YT
14:28<sarnold>check dmesg
14:29<sarnold>those io errors are often caused by failing hardware and that usually leaves log entries in dmesg
14:31<mattst88>I considered that; dmesg doesn't show anything, and the failure is reproduceable
14:31<mattst88>the double // in /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci//postinst made me wonder if some shell variable was unset
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14:34<Sqrt{not}>mattst88, you will get better answers for sid questions in #debian-next
14:34<mattst88>Sqrt{not}: thanks, I'll give that a try
14:35<sarnold>mattst88: oh hah, arm64 ... is that running on an sdcard?
14:35<sarnold>mattst88: sd cards are notorious crap
14:35<mattst88>sarnold: no, it's an internal eMMC disk, I think
14:35<sarnold>mattst88: if that's on an sd card just do yourself a favour and replace it as one of your first debugging steps :)
14:35<sarnold>ah. hm.
14:35<sarnold>I don't know much about that
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14:40<sney>I'm looking at systemd's salsa repo, and there weren't any changes to the debian/ package scripts at least since the version in testing, which doesn't have this issue on amd64 (or arm64, presuming you are currently on 247.9-4)
14:40<sney>so if this isn't a disk error, maybe the deb just got mangled on download and you should remove it from /var/cache/apt/archives and try again
14:40<sarnold>can you run smartctl on emmc?
14:41<sney>mattst88: ^ a couple things
14:41<sney>I don't think those support smart, it's just a flash device with a different interface
14:42<mattst88>thanks, let's give that a try
14:42<TeddyHornsby>Hello, everyone!
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14:42<TeddyHornsby>Am I in the right place to ask about problems transitioning from a fresh stable install to an unstable system?
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14:43<mattst88>same result after deleting /var/cache/apt/archives/systemd_249.5-1_arm64.deb. :(
14:43<sney>TeddyHornsby: unstable support is in #debian-next
14:43<TeddyHornsby>Ah, okay! Thanks!
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15:22<bolt>I'm sure I'm screwing up something stupid in my attempt to use openssl here, but can anyone tell me why my 'Hello world' isn't coming back out? https://paste.c-net.org/MovedAwfully
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15:29<Habbie>bolt, replace the second 'printf' with 'echo'
15:30<sussudio>things not coming back out are what those late night emergency room visits are for.
15:31<bolt>sussudio: :D
15:31<bolt>Habbie: it waits for a newline... *facepalm*
15:32<bolt>Habbie: thanks!
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15:33<Habbie>bolt, np :)
15:35<sarnold>Habbie: nice :D
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15:44<artur>niiiiiomM how are you's
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15:45<artur>Im founding for firefire do you know how instal???
15:45<bremner>what is firefire?
15:46<artur>from library from Debian
15:46<artur>firewall sorry
15:46<bremner>!firewall
15:46<dpkg>A firewall is a boundary - usually a computer or network appliance - between your private network and the Internet. A firewall cannot protect the computer it is running on. Ask me about <iptables>. See also <arno-iptables-firewall>, <ferm>, <firehol>.
15:47<bremner>hmm. I don't think those are the most popular choices anymore
15:47<bremner>!ufw
15:47<dpkg>Uncomplicated firewall (ufw) is an <iptables> front-end with syntax similar to OpenBSD's Packet Filter (PF). https://launchpad.net/ufw
15:47<ansgar>.oO( Obviously a firewall can protect the computer it is running on... )
15:47<sarnold>ferm's still used :)
15:47<artur>aha
15:47<artur>:))
15:47<ansgar>dpkg: firewall =~ s/A firewall cannot protect the computer it is running on. //
15:47<dpkg>OK, ansgar
15:48<artur>i will wait in The library itis going and innstall
15:48<artur>or something like this
15:48<artur>oh may dzi
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15:51<Habbie>sarnold, :)
15:51<sarnold>:)
15:51<bremner>artur: I can't really understand your messages
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15:53<artur>bremner: i cant use debian steel going for stop and traing to make ok
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16:30<jkc>These days, you're using nftables even if you're using iptables.
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17:02<luis_>Good day for all. I have a question about swap. I have a 4GB partition for swap but when I see on htop the info appear 2.25GB. Is this normal?
17:03<dogen>no
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17:04<sarnold>once upon a time the largest swap files were two gigs
17:04<sarnold>which htop might show as 2.25 gigs because there's massive pedentry going around
17:05<sarnold>depending upon what version of mkswap you used, I wonder if it respected that old silly number..
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17:06<luis_>My computer is very older and I needed the swap because it freeze lasting.
17:07<luis_>I the installation isn't catch the partition and I added it modifying /etc/fstab
17:07<luis_>The installation isn't catch the partition and I added it modifying /etc/fstab
17:08<luis_>but from 4GB recognize 2.25GB, htop say
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17:09<sney>what does 'free -m' say for total swap
17:10<luis_>thank sney. Mem 3272 Swap 2303
17:11<sney>ok, sounds like mkswap didn't use the whole partition
17:12<sney>I've never seen that before, but it sounds like sarnold has some experience with it
17:12<luis_>How I do for mkswap use the whole partition?
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17:13<sney>what debian version is this?
17:13<luis_>excuses sarnold, I don't see your reply. thanks sney
17:13<luis_>Bullseye
17:14<sney>are you sure the swap partition is 4GB? what does 'parted -l' tell you?
17:15<luis_>I go to that
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17:16<luis_>Ups, parted -l say nothing :(, but with disk program I see the 4GB
17:16<sney>it wouldn't say "nothing" but make sure you run it as root.
17:17<luis_>Ups, not like root. I go to that now
17:18<luis_>Do I put the output here?
17:19<luis_>Are like 20 lines
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17:19<sney>look at the line for your swap partition and see what it says for "size"
17:20<sney>if you want to paste the whole thing, put it on https://paste.debian.net/ and link here
17:20<luis_>ok
17:21<luis_>https://paste.debian.net/1215446/
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17:23<sney>ok, yeah that's 4GB. strange, just try 'mkswap /dev/sda2' again. you will probably need to swapoff first
17:24<luis_>with sudo both? I imagine it
17:24<sney>yes, any system administration needs to be done as root / with sudo. in #debian we assume you know this
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17:25<luis_>excuses, noobie at the horizont
17:25<kwilczynski>Fancy.
17:25<kwilczynski>You have zram too.
17:25<cambrian_invader>what's a cli frontend for udisks2 which can handle partitioning/formatting?
17:26<cambrian_invader>e.g. if I want to run org.freedesktop.UDisks2.Block.Format without having the documentation open
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17:27<kwilczynski>cambrian_invader: Front end? Why not use parted?
17:27<cambrian_invader>I want to do it as a regular user
17:28<luis_>https://paste.debian.net/1215448/
17:29<luis_>In this moment in htop I have 0 swap
17:29<kwilczynski>luis_: 0 swap usage most likely.
17:29<kwilczynski>luis_: Kernel won't just put things there immediately.
17:29<sney>swapon -a, after formatting it
17:30<luis_>Ups, I do not format it
17:30<kwilczynski>You did. With mkswap.
17:30<kwilczynski>:)
17:30<luis_>:D
17:30<luis_>thanks
17:30<kwilczynski>(and yes, I assumed you enabled it too)
17:31<kwilczynski>Generally, I would recommend people use a swapfile these days.
17:31<kwilczynski>Since it's easier to manage if it needs to shrink/grow.
17:31<kwilczynski>Partitions are cumbersome.
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17:32<dvs>???
17:32<luis_>swap -a show an error for UUID.
17:33<dvs>gparted make it easy-peasy
17:33<jkc>gparted should be uninvented.
17:33<sney>luis_: if you had it in fstab, you'll need to update the uuid with that new one
17:35<luis_>Ok, I go to update fstab now
17:36<dvs>jkc: so what? just use parted?
17:37<jkc>I've never used parted, but if it misrepresents and mislabels things as badly as gparted does, then no. Use gdisk and mkfs.
17:38<jkc>(or fdisk, I'm fairly certain it supports gpt now?)
17:38<dvs>I couldn't have set up my UEFI disks without gparted.
17:40<jkc>Sure you could.
17:41<jkc>And probably without much difficulty.
17:41<luis_>now do not appear errors but recognize 2GB only
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17:43<luis_>sney, Now do not appear errors but recognize 2GB only again
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17:44<sney>luis_: if you run 'swapon' with no options, does it say 4GB or 2GB for the size?
17:45<luis_>Only 2GB
17:45<kwilczynski>luis_: Collect and then add to a pastebin the following: free -tk; cat /etc/fstab; mount; swapon; fdisk -l
17:45<kwilczynski>luis_: You might use sudo too.
17:45<ThJevekNC>hi i need some help, i got an issue on my debian install https://hatebin.com/kerhjzisfk it tell me missing mmx64.efi iso was burned using balena etcher, tried with ventoy same issue
17:45<ThJevekNC>any idea ?
17:46<ThJevekNC>i am currently using arch on a surface laptop so i wanted to switch to debian but i am stuck here
17:47<dvs>!etcher
17:47<dpkg>Etcher is not a reliable way to copy Debian images for installation. Instead, use cp or dd for linux or win32diskimager for Windows. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.en.html See <malicious etcher>
17:47<luis_>thanks, kwilczynski. I go to that
17:47<kwilczynski>luis_: You also have zram set up and activated - is this something you did by yourself?
17:47<ThJevekNC>i tried a few other and i isolated its not coming from etcher
17:47<ThJevekNC>like i said the same issue is happening with ventoy
17:48<ThJevekNC>i tried dd
17:48<luis_>kwilczynski, nope
17:48<ThJevekNC>and again i clearly said i was not on windows anyway
17:49<jkc>ThJevekNC: No one said you were on windows. You said you used etcher.
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17:50<ThJevekNC>i said i tried with ventoy also wich yielded the same result
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17:50<ThJevekNC>anyway i isolated the medium i tried multiple usb drive same issue
17:51<ThJevekNC>i tried with the simple netinst and also the non free frameware same issue also
17:51<luis_>kwilczynski, the output for the commands https://paste.debian.net/1215452/
17:51<kwilczynski>Also, for some folks interested about swap and such: https://chrisdown.name/2018/01/02/in-defence-of-swap.html and https://www.linuxatemyram.com/ (an actual domain name), and https://askubuntu.com/questions/174579/how-do-i-use-zram
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17:57<ThJevekNC>i heard about a fix writting grubx64.efi has mmx64.efi anyone encoutered the same issue ?
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18:14<Linko>Hello, if I don't set a password for my MX Linux login, what is the default password?
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18:16<jkc>This being #debian, we have no idea.
18:17<sney>!mxlinux
18:17<dpkg>MX Linux is a popular distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported in #debian. Support is available on their forum: https://forum.mxlinux.org/. It is related to <antix>. If you are new to linux, or want a distro with IRC support, try Debian instead: https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian
18:18<Linko>Ok, I will reinstall it and set a password directly
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18:36<Sqrt{not}>luis_, it is odd that your swap partition /dev/sda2 starts at sector 63 of the disk, and /dev/sda1 is at the end of the disk, after /dev/sda4 ... how did the disk get set up like that?
18:37<kwilczynski>Sqrt{not}: I asked the same question. A very interesting layout. :)
18:37<kwilczynski>I also think he is wasting some space on sda4.
18:37<kwilczynski>If this is just the boot partition.
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18:42<Sqrt{not}>FWIW this debian box has "/dev/sda7 1914155008 1953413119 39258112 18.7G Linux swap" and `free` shows "Swap: 19629052 1316 19627736"
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18:56<Sqrt{not}>luis_, 2 more questions: (1) what is the computer, what model, what CPU, what company made it? (2) How did you install bullseye onto this computer?
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18:57<kwilczynski>Mystery solved. He has 32 bit architecture, and on x86 maximum size of swap area is 2 GB.
18:58<kwilczynski>So one has to combine few swap partitions or swap files to get > 2GB of swap space total.
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18:59<Sqrt{not}>kwilczynski, how did you find out?
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19:05<luis_>Sqrt{not}, thanks for your reply.
19:06<luis_>Sqrt{not}, https://paste.debian.net/1215457/
19:07<luis_>Sqrt{not}, and It's really Emmabuntus based on Bullseye for 32 bits
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19:16<luis_>Sqrt{not}, kwilczynski make me a great support. He finds that is a limitation of mkswap to 2G.
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19:27<Sqrt{not}>luis_, in the future, you will get better support from the Emmabuntus people --- they know much, much more about emmabuntus than we do in this channel. Here we support debian.
19:28<Sqrt{not}>%emmabuntus
19:28<dselect>Emmabuntüs is a linux distribution, based on debian and ubuntu. It is not debian, and is not supported here. Seek help at http://forum.emmabuntus.org/ or https://emmabuntus.org/
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19:28<kwilczynski>Sqrt{not}: It's basic Linux knowledge z not strictly Debian or otherwise related.
19:29<sney>that may be true in this case, but #debian policy about this exists for a reason. I think the ubuntu channels are a little more casual about supporting derivatives, but here we don't do it if at all possible
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19:33<kwilczynski>So if a Debian user has a general Linux question, then what happens?
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19:35<sney>if they're using debian, they get support in #debian. if they're not, then they don't.
19:35<sney>this is a boundary that dates back to the knoppix days. sometimes people get upset with it but it *largely* keeps things sane in here.
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19:38<Sqrt{not}>kwilczynski, **especially** if we don't know we are talking about something else... when we assume it is debian, we are assuming things that are not true, and our answers are not as good as they might be.
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19:41<Sqrt{not}>kwilczynski, if it's basic linux knowledge, that is probably available in the emmabuntus support venues.
19:41<kwilczynski>Fine. You don't need to justify not willing to help Linux users to me any more.
19:41<kwilczynski>I really don't care. And as kernel developer I find it appealing. But, it is what it is.
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19:42<kwilczynski>appalling*
19:43<kwilczynski>To for bed. It's 2am here.
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19:48*Sqrt{not} edited the ummagumma factoid to include the standard: If you are new to linux, or want a distro with IRC support, try Debian https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian
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22:53<nickgaw>Hi, With the LVM with encryption what encryption method does it use by default?
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22:58<aloo_home>"sshd[..]: pam_systemd(sshd:session): Cannot create session: Already running in a session"
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22:59<aloo_home>why, oh why, after sshd and pam_unix happily accept the login
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23:00<sarnold>nickgaw: check cryptsetup --help output, it has a bunch of defaults in the output
23:00<nickgaw>Hi, If I do the debian-installer options to do encrypted installation with LVM what encryption method does it use?
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23:01<aloo_home>so I can't scp/rsync a file while that other login is active? because?
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23:02<sarnold>aloo_home: my guess is that's an informational message that you can ignore
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23:06<nickgaw>Is it ok to ask about connecting to other irc networks here or should I not do so if I am having problems connecting to them?
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23:18<aloo_home>sarnold: no, the session is getting closed, rsync fails. even as another user with no other session. systemd perhaps didn't like that I restarted sshd without applying in writing & with 3 copies ?
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23:23<sarnold>aloo_home: weird :(
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23:46<hobo_shu>oh the glory. so now, I set usePam to no in the global sshd_config, rebooted, and can't log in at all
23:47<hobo_shu>tbf, more than one thing could have gone wrong
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