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00:02<somiaj>really depends on what you want to do with it, but you don't need to mount stuff in there for many things
00:03<tp43_>I need to install python3
00:03<somiaj>why are you using a chroot for that?
00:04<tp43_>somiaj, I need to install another package that needs python3, git, repo, ... And that other package isn't installing on debian 11, but installs fine on debian 10. It is a cross compile toolchain for embed systems.
00:04<tp43_>debootstrap does not install chroot, or is chrt the program?
00:05<tp43_>There is no chroot pkg
00:06<tp43_>binutils
00:06<tp43_>need to be root
00:07<tp43_>Ok I am in chroot. nice
00:08<tp43_>How do I see the debian Buster or Bullseye on my system.
00:09<tp43_>so I can only use chroot as root?
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00:16<somiaj>once inside you can make any user you like
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00:17<tp43_>somiaj, and then just su - myusername to switch right
00:18<somiaj>yup
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00:23<tp43_>somiaj, thx
00:25<tp43_>somiaj, did you try to get a full desktop going in a chroot by chance? Is it just as easy?
00:25<somiaj>that is a bit more difficult once you need actual hardware access and if your gpu is currently being used
00:25<somiaj>there is tools like schroot as well
00:26<somiaj>though once you start needed a full desktop, a vm is probably a better option
00:28<tp43_>somiaj, ok I am not going to bother with it. I just needed the shell. But later I might need access to usb device and ethernet too.
00:29<tp43_>what is a command I can enter to know, I am in debian 11 or the chroot debian 10?
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00:30<tp43_>this works /etc/os-realease
00:30<tp43_>but ... hmmm, I have a feeling there is a better chroot specific way
00:31<tp43_>I guess in chroot you are supposed to use adduser, not useradd. And then create home directory manually using mkdir. Cause I tried and it didn't
00:32<tp43_>I tried useradd, and it gave error, can not cd to user's home dir.
00:32<tp43_>cause does not exist
00:33<tp43_>oh man, not just that, I have to set permissions too
00:35<tp43_>oh wait no, chown
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00:39<somiaj>useradd doesn't create home direcotries by default, adduser does
00:39<somiaj>should just do more reading
00:39<tp43_>debootstrap works with just debian and ubunut, what about rpm systems?
00:40<tp43_>somiaj, oh that is why.
00:41<somiaj>you can debootstrap from any system, but it is a tool for debian (which some debian based distros also work with it)
00:41<tp43_>mainly it will create the home directory and chown the directory which is what I did manually, so I am good to go, unless you know of something else, besides name, telephone and stuff
00:42<tp43_>but in that scripts folder I think it is all debian versions. 1 sec while I scroll up to find the directory of scripts
00:42<tp43_>this one /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts
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00:45<krion>somiaj & sarnold ty for the link and the bug. So if I get this correctly, in fact the behaviour on the stretch is incorrect where on bullseye it's correct
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00:46<tp43_>No I think debootstrap is for debootstrap debian system. For fedora or other rpm ones, they have their counterparts tools corresponding to debootstrap
00:47<krion>i'm referring to http://paste.debian.net/1215600/
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01:01<somiaj>krion: that is what it sounds like, and it was mostly just inconsistant, so due to a missing field in the locale some things wouldn't format time correctly
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01:21<krion>tyvm i'm relieved to have an explanation
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01:48<tp43_>ok I am having fun with debootstrap, testing is sid, not bookworm. I guess sid is always the name of testing. So I have buster, bullseye, and bookworm.
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01:49<tp43_>Is there any release I should install that would be fun?
01:49<tp43_>fun for any reason?
01:49<sney>sid and testing are not the same thing, but usually they have the save versions of a lot of packages
01:50<sney>if you have buster, bullseye, and bookworm, you currently have oldstable, stable, and testing. you could have a separate sid instance.
01:50<tp43_>sney, I did debootstrap testing and then cat /etc/os-release and it says bookworm/sid. But I named the chroot dir bookroom, so that might be why that name is there.
01:50<sney>testing and unstable always say that
01:51<tp43_>I need stable, and then I needed oldstable. Then for fun I installed testing.
01:51<sney>when bullseye was testing it said bullseye/sid until very late in the cycle
01:51<tp43_>sney, What would be fun release to install, like for any reason that I can't think of because I do not know anything.
01:52<tp43_>except the list there is /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts. Any of those would be fun for me?
01:52<sney>again... testing and unstable often have the same versions of many packages. one of those packages is base-files, which determines what is in /etc/debian_version.
01:52<sney>"fun" is for you to decide
01:53<sney>usually people who are playing with the tools install sid.
01:53<tp43_>sney, like what tools
01:54<tp43_>I am going to install woody for fun since it was my first ever debian install
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01:54<sney>like debootstrap
01:54<sney>or package building stuff, etc
01:54<tp43_>sney, yeah, I am having fun with debootstrap today
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01:58<tp43_>woody does not have /etc/os-release. Anyone remember how to see os release name in woody?
02:00<tp43_>what is the oldest release there in /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts?
02:02<sney>https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ has a list of the releases in order, back to 3
02:02<sney>er, 2
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02:04<tp43_>dmesg shows it.
02:04<tp43_>sney, yep hamm is the oldest one probably eh
02:05<tp43_>no hamm is not there
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02:07<tp43_>potato didn't work, complained about a gpg key
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02:09<tp43_>sarge works
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02:13<tp43_>sarge and woody boot have process /root/woody/i386
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02:26<smoney>somiaj: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/01eef515/
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03:57<tjcarter>I wouldn't expect debootstrap to work for anything pre-sarge even if such things were in the archive.
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03:59<tjcarter>I wanna say potato was about when the package pools system came to life and we began properly maintaining sources for 3 years as required by the GNU GPL.
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04:03<tjcarter>All the GnuPG sigs on the archives weren't there in potato I suspect, and modern versions of debootstrap would demand that.
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04:35<Tj>wouldn't --no-check-gpg work aorund that?
04:35<tjcarter>it might
04:35<Tj>or would it still expect to download signatures at least, even if not verify them
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04:38<ansgar>tjcarter: All the old releases have split Releases / Releases.gpg though I think?
04:38<ansgar>InRelease in addition to Release{,.gpg} for stable releases is fairly new (I think since buster?)
04:41<tjcarter>not sure about that. There's a big stretch from sometime around sarge until about the time of just before jesse that I wasn't really paying the least bit of attention to what Debian was doing TBH, and spotty then until more recently.
04:41<tjcarter>between sarge and maybe 2015/2016 … I just used Debian stable on some home servers and didn't think about it.
04:42<tjcarter>Between ~ 2003 and 2018 my primary work machine was a Mac.
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04:43<tjcarter>At first needed it to be for school, then it wasn't terribly convenient since all the software I needed was available on the fruitier platform
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04:46<tjcarter>For me things started to sour a bit in 2015 because I kinda needed a new machine, and what Apple had to offer was laughable. Hackintoshed it in 2016, and by 2018 the company's business practices and the laughable Mac Pro were the last straw for me. Ended up back on sid for awhile, then Mint for work, back to sid because Ubuntu is Ubuntu.
04:46<Tj>https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~cjwatson/blog/no-more-hash-sum-mismatch-errors.html
04:46<Tj>says "...Debian’s repository supports it as of stretch, ..."
04:48<jesse>huh
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04:55<tjcarter>as he likely wrote the support for it, I'm inclined to take his word for it. 😁
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05:18<ansgar>Tj: Hmm? That is by-hash which is unrelated to InRelease / Release.gpg.
05:20<ansgar>Tj: Oh, it also mentions InRelease. But InRelease used for testing/unstable was much earlier than InRelease used for stable (because someone had to figure out a way to get all signatures we want into InRelease)
05:21<tjcarter>ansgar: the release before would've had it in unstable/testing
05:22<ansgar>tjcarter: Hmm? We used to have *only* Release (no InRelease) for stable for several Release while unstable/testing already had InRelease.
05:22<tjcarter>if the interface wasn't yet consistent, that'd make sense.
05:23<ansgar>tjcarter: No, the problem was that this: http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/Release.gpg has multiple signature blocks, but InRelease requires merging them into one.
05:23<tjcarter>ah
05:24<tjcarter>That might take some time to implement, yeah.
05:25<Tj>ansgar: no, Colin talks about adding InRelease.
05:25<Tj>"The first step was to add inline-signed versions of the Release file, called InRelease, so that there would no longer be a race between fetching Release and fetching its signature. APT has had this for a while, Debian’s repository supports it as of stretch, ..."
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06:21<fudgespinner>does anyone has idea on how to set up local mail, I want to set up to send me email for errors to my normal Google mail account.
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06:26<Fraggle2>fudgespinner: why not send them via mail client?
06:26<fudgespinner>Well then, how I can set that up?
06:27<Fraggle2>your local mailserver on a private IP might be blocked by other servers
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06:27<fudgespinner>The most useful case would be ufw firewall logs and samba login attempts.
06:27<fudgespinner>for me, and right now at least
06:33<Fraggle2>I just read that you could use soiḿething like "echo "Hello I am a mail" | mutt -s 'Backup Files' -a backup.tgz -- xy@example.com" in a script
06:33<Fraggle2>for example
06:33<fudgespinner>I see...
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06:40<fernie>you can configure the local mta, to relay all via authenticated google smtp, so can just use mail command to send what ever. if that what you were after
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06:53<tjcarter>fudgespinner: I use nullmailer for that
06:55<tjcarter>fudgespinner: if you set up mutt/neomutt to support smtp, you can use mutt to send mail, but if you want things like cronjobs and whatnot to Just Work, nullmailer will get you a working sendmail command
06:56<tjcarter>ssmtp does similar
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06:57<jas4711>isn't it possible to be subscribed to @lists.debian.org mailing lists (in order to post) without receiving each and every email? i want the mailman 'nomail' behaviour
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06:58<useruser>hello all
06:59<useruser>what should i install on 5.10.0-8-amd64 in order to run i386 32-bit app? thank you in advance
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07:03<tjcarter>useruser: you mostly need to dpkg --add-architecture i386 as root
07:03<useruser>anything else?
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07:03<tjcarter>apt update to download i386 package lists
07:03<useruser>thanks!
07:03<tjcarter>any i386 packages you need (so, steam basically) will be available
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07:04<tjcarter>alternative option if you're just using this for steam is to install steam via flatpak
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07:05<tjcarter>it's still gotta download a bunch of i386 stuff, but more targeted to the stuff steam actually needs
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07:12<fudgespinner>a lot of peeps didn't recommend using Steam from Flatpak, however.
07:12<fudgespinner>but if it works, it works.
07:14<useruser>flatpak is kind of sandbox for gnome?
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10:38<smoney>Hey all. I'm having trouble updating 11.0 to 11.1. My sources.list file is pointed at the main debian servers but for some reason my computer isn't updating. Any thoughts?
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10:40<dioput12>My bluetooth in ath9k has been disappeared, It always says no hci0 again.
10:40<dioput12>https://paste.rs/Bz2
10:41<dioput12>I'm trying to reinstall "firmware-atheros", however no luck.
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11:04<mosasaur>I was going to suggest "sudo bluetoothd", but it seems dbus is now intercepting that.
11:06<dioput12>mosasaur: It's completely disappeared. There's content in /var/lib/bluetooth, but it's useless now.
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11:08<dioput12>Even with `hcitool dev` displays nothing detected.
11:09<mosasaur>is it an usb dongle?
11:10<dioput12>mosasaur: Nope, my wireless adapter.
11:11<mosasaur>do you also have a dongle, to compare things with
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11:14<dioput12>mosasaur: unfortunately I don't have any.
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11:29<dioput12>or maybe, i'll disable it with "options ath9k btcoex_enable=0" in /etc/modprobe.d/ath9k.conf
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11:31<mosasaur>or maybe try to disable the OBEX stuff somehow, in case that's causing the problem
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11:40<dioput12>mosasaur: Anyway with `hcitool dev`, it's only show "Devices: "
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11:41<mosasaur>over here it lists my one device
11:42<grummund>Is this correct to override the apt config:-
11:42<grummund>apt-get -o Dir::Etc::main=/path/to/apt.conf -o Dir::Etc::SourceList=/path/to/sources.list ...
11:42<dioput12>I completely lost here, maybe I'll give Windows a shoot to check whatever these obstacles.
11:42*dioput12 or maybe it's completely my hardware issue.
11:44<mosasaur>probably, on another laptop with no BT 'hcitool dev' also only says "Devices:"
11:46<dioput12>But my WiFi is working, LOL.
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11:51<joeDoe>I recently set up a radicale server, and added a couple of calendars to it. Huge problem, any appointment I add to the calendar with either evolution or with gnome-calendar (I don't run gnome, though) disappears. I haven't gotten as far as seeing how long it takes to disappear, but I added a test appointment this morning. After about 5 min, it was still there. Then I forgot about it. Now, a
11:51<joeDoe>couple of hours later, the test appointment has disappeared. anyone heard of this, or can help debug?
12:00<joeDoe>I don't get the calendar format on the server. I created and populated 3 calendars, but on the server under /var/lib/radicale/collections/collection-root/joe/ there are 74 directories all ending in ".ics" with long hex digit strings for names. So I'm not even sure how to check if an event is getting written to the server or not
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12:09<mosasaur>maybe try to use 'ripgrep' to scan that directory for strings
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12:30<joeDoe>mosasaur: thanks for the suggestion. plain ol' grep worked fine. I see that a couple of test events I've added since first discovering the problem are present in files in the radicale directory. So I don't get why neither gnome-calendar nor evolution can see these events
12:32<joeDoe>I wonder if the events disappear when the calendars are refreshed. I created a new test item and am following to see how long before it disappears from the calendar. The calendar is set to refresh every half hour. Will see if that's it
12:33<joeDoe>18 minutes later the event is still visible
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12:45<joeDoe>the event has disappeared. At 20 minutes, it was still there. Now, roughly 28 minutes, it is gone
12:46<joeDoe>grep'ing for the event on the server shows it still there.
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12:47<joeDoe>Can anyone suggest why both clients are losing their view of the radicale server?
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13:11<mosasaur>joeDoe: maybe set a new event, grep for which one it is, copy it to some tmp dir, then, when the event is gone, try to diff them
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14:09<joeDoe>mosasaur: thanks for the suggestion. It's worth a try. I suspect it will be inconclusive, though, because I was basing my count of time passed since the event was created on the timestamp of the file and directory where the event got placed. That never changed, so I don't think anything on the server is changing, but, here goes...
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14:45<joeDoe>mosasaur: test done. Nothing happens on the server. The before and after of all the files in the dir where the event got written are identical after the event disappears
14:46<joeDoe>For some reason, evolution and gnome-calendar are forgetting everything on the server
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15:01<scorpion2185[m]>what's default qt font? and what size? On openbox they are bigger
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15:32<EmleyMoor>I have two iaxmodems started but cannot see where I am starting them from. It's not inittab or /etc/init.d - where might it be?
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15:34<sussudio>what's an iaxmodem
15:34<sussudio>!iax
15:35<EmleyMoor>iaxmodem as in the package of that name. It's a device for handling fax comms through asterisk
15:35<EmleyMoor>(implemented in software)
15:36<sussudio>i had a similar thing in DOS.
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15:36<sussudio>try locate iax
15:39<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... looks like I might have written it into systemd
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16:28<Tj>apt-file list iaxmodem shows, "iaxmodem: /etc/init.d/iaxmodem" which'll be converted to a systemd unit via systemd-sysv-generator
16:29<Tj>it's runtime and the unit will be in /run/systemd/generator.late/
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16:57<gfu>from my old server I have got my mysql database files from the /var/lib/mysql directory, on a new server is it possible to just move that there and stuff will just work? because I am having some trouble doing that
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17:52<tp43_>gfu, you can probably become an expert of the underlying system and do that. But you can do it the simple way with an export and import.
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