| --- | Log | opened Sun Oct 17 00:00:23 2021 |
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| 01:16 | <grummund> | deb https://deb.debian.org/debian-security/ bullseye-security main |
| 01:16 | <grummund> | deb http://security.debian.org/ bullseye/updates main |
| 01:17 | <grummund> | Hi, Do the above both effectively acheive the same thing? And is one better than the other? |
| 01:19 | <raven523> | they are different. you probably want both |
| 01:20 | <somiaj> | bullseye/updates no longer exists, bullseye-updates is something else |
| 01:20 | <somiaj> | !bullseye/updates |
| 01:20 | <dpkg> | There is no "bullseye/updates" repository for security updates. To reduce confusion with <bullseye-updates> (which is for other bug fixes), security updates are distributed via the <bullseye-security> repository "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main". Note that you may also need to adjust your Default-Release and pinning settings for apt. |
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| 01:24 | <z386> | gday everyone! |
| 01:24 | <z386> | does anyone know if there is an official firefox repo for apt? |
| 01:25 | <grummund> | So security.debian.org is only a thing for previous releases. |
| 01:25 | <another> | !sources.list |
| 01:25 | <dpkg> | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Bullseye" has three lines: "deb https://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main" "deb https://deb.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main" "deb https://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <bullseye-updates> and `man sources.list`. |
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| 01:27 | <grummund> | !bullseye-updates |
| 01:27 | <dpkg> | bullseye-updates is a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. The updates may be important bug fixes or low priority security fixes. All packages from bullseye-updates will be included in point releases. https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <bullseye-security> which is for <security> updates (<bullseye/updates> was renamed and does not exist). |
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| 05:37 | <grummund> | Can the apt-get warning "Package '...' is not installed, so not removed", be silenced without implying --yes ? |
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| 06:13 | <Tj> | grummund: other than redirecting output to /dev/null ? |
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| 06:19 | <grummund> | Tj: yes because that would silence all output. |
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| 06:21 | <Tj> | grummund: there isn't a way; the message is written from apt-private/private-install.cc::pkgSourceList::TryToRemove() |
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| 06:22 | <grummund> | ok, thank you. |
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| 06:23 | <grummund> | afaict, -qq silences thw warning, but implies --yes and cannot be overriden with --assume-no. |
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| 06:26 | <Tj> | apt-get remove $package | grep -v 'so not removed' |
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| 08:04 | <bonerboi> | hey, recently updated the software on my raspbian and after a reboot cryptsetup isn't taking in my long (129 characters) password anymore. known bug? |
| 08:04 | <jkc> | bonerboi: Raspbian support is #raspbian on libera.chat. |
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| 08:49 | <grummund> | apt-get seems not to honour this option, is it correct? |
| 08:49 | <grummund> | apt-get -o Dir::Etc::main=/tmp/apt.conf .... |
| 08:49 | <grummund> | (debian 10) |
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| 08:53 | <cowboypenguin> | If I wanted to move to 5.14 on stable, using backports, what's the best practice for keeping it updated? If I apt install -t bullseye-backports linux-image, will apt update && apt upgrade start tracking the backported kernel? |
| 08:53 | <cowboypenguin> | I'm hoping that moving to 5.14 will make my bluetooth audio stop dropping randomly. |
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| 08:55 | <dvs> | cowboypenguin: yes, installing linux-image-amd64 will track backports |
| 08:55 | <cowboypenguin> | Great! Thank you. |
| 08:55 | <dvs> | np |
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| 09:05 | <cowboypenguin> | nvidia said no to my backported kernel :( |
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| 09:32 | <scorpion2185[m]> | cowboypenguin check Deb wiki about nvidia, you need driver from backports if you use backport kernel |
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| 09:40 | <scorpion2185[m]> | I logged in on spectral but nothing happens |
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| 09:49 | <scorpion2185[m]> | I created a room and it crashes |
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| 09:50 | <scorpion2185[m]> | does it use python3-matrix-nio? |
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| 10:14 | <DracuLars> | why is there no dosbox-x package in debian? (Just want understand reasons) |
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| 10:17 | <tarzeau> | nobody packaged it? |
| 10:18 | <Sqrt{not}> | there is "dosbox" |
| 10:19 | <Sqrt{not}> | %dosbox |
| 10:19 | <dselect> | DOSBox is an open source x86 emulator designed to run old <DOS> games under unsupported platforms. See /usr/share/doc/dosbox/README.Debian for Debian-specific notes. See also http://www.markus-raab.org/Howtos/Hardware/midi regarding sound. http://www.dosbox.com/wiki/DOSBox_FAQ http://www.dosbox.com/ #dosbox on irc.libera.chat. |
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| 10:30 | <DracuLars> | reason of interest:using bullseye dosbox on raspberry pi4, is a bit slow, hope dosbox-x is faster... |
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| 10:49 | <scorpion2185[m]> | %spectral |
| 10:50 | <marcello42> | hey I am using the debian installer (expert mode) and need to format the disk manually to use special flags (-cc) on mke2fs - I saw the installer is mounting into /target .. just to be safe: if I do mount them manually via shell and skip the partion part in the installer does anything touch the partions again or is there another way to achieve formating with -cc flag "easier"? well it is not a big deal but the |
| 10:50 | <marcello42> | debian installer is not my best friend tbh :) |
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| 10:56 | <Sqrt{not}> | marcello42, I think the installer has an option to use a partition as-is, without being formatted by the installer. You could prepare that partition in advance (with live system, or whatever) and then just give it to the installer |
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| 10:58 | <marcello42> | @sqrt - I was lookin for such but still not sure how to verify - I mean a quick format is quicker done than seen! dropping a shell in debian works just fine so there is not a need to use another iso at all |
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| 11:07 | <cpi> | hello world |
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| 11:08 | <cpi> | hello |
| 11:13 | <DracuLars> | Other Question: Debian variant with Panfrost enabled for Odroid N2+? anything on the horizont? |
| 11:13 | <Sqrt{not}> | marcello42, in the manual partitioner, when you select a partition, it will tell you how it is currently partitioned, and ask you how to use it. you can select to use it that same way (e.g. ext3 or whatever it is) and the next question is "format the partition" where you can select "no, keep existing data" |
| 11:15 | <marcello42> | <Sqrt{not}>, thanks! I surely didn't see that the 20th time I tried. I'll try it as soon as I can access the machine again. |
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| 11:20 | <Sqrt{not}> | marcello42, (I am in the non-graphical expert installer of bullseye, but I think it has been like that in other versions.... I have never tried the graphical installers, so if that is where you are, I don't know) |
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| 11:24 | <marcello42> | nope I use the same as you, the GUI is btw exactly the same from what I can tell :) just uses some, imo, unnecessary graphic components, but I guess that is just a preference of choice |
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| 11:32 | <cpi> | hello |
| 11:33 | <Sqrt{not}> | hi cpi, welcome |
| 11:34 | <twb> | Sqrt{not}: the actual questions in both graphical and text mode should be identical |
| 11:34 | <Sqrt{not}> | twb, yah, I just ran through that part in graphical, and questions/choices seem identical |
| 11:34 | <twb> | Sqrt{not}: and yes, you can definitely tell partman (the partitioning part of d-i) to use an existing FILESYSTEM without calling mkfs |
| 11:34 | <cpi> | so im trying to get the morse code plugin to work but i cant seem to find it anywhere after getting it from synaptic |
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| 11:35 | <twb> | I routinely pause d-i and call parted and mkfs by hand, because d-i uses base-1000 (4GB) and I want base-1024 (4GiB) |
| 11:35 | <cpi> | its called cwirc |
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| 11:40 | <Sqrt{not}> | cpi, which linux version are you running? |
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| 11:41 | <cpi> | raspbian |
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| 11:42 | <Sqrt{not}> | cpi, that is a little different from regular debian, but they have their own irc channels: |
| 11:42 | <Sqrt{not}> | %raspbian |
| 11:42 | <dselect> | Raspberry Pi OS (previously called Raspbian) is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.libera.chat for support. https://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 11:43 | <cpi> | ok rad thank you guys! |
| 11:43 | <Sqrt{not}> | cpi, no problem, good luck |
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| 11:44 | <twb> | Or you can run Debian and get support here :-) |
| 11:45 | <cpi> | im wanting to use my pi to morse chat |
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| 11:50 | <marcello42> | twb, thanks for making this clear! So I assume it is in the selection menu at 'partition disks', is it? |
| 11:51 | <twb> | marcello42: you need to choose there "manual partitioning" |
| 11:51 | <marcello42> | sure ok thanks! |
| 11:51 | <twb> | marcello42: it will show existing partitions. Select one, choose "use as ext4", "use as /" and then change "format" to "use as is" |
| 11:51 | <twb> | marcello42: I may have the exact wording slightly wrog |
| 11:51 | <marcello42> | aaah now |
| 11:52 | <marcello42> | so this will not reformating great! wasn't that clear to me sadly so thank you |
| 11:52 | <marcello42> | you both ;) |
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| 11:53 | <twb> | marcello42: yes it is not obvious the first time :-) |
| 11:54 | <twb> | marcello42: you may want to do a small test first, to make sure it works how you think |
| 11:54 | <marcello42> | I will spin up a VM later, good advice |
| 11:54 | <twb> | marcello42: you can also do a completely manual install using debootstrap or similar, it is in the Installation Guide under "install from another unix" |
| 11:54 | <marcello42> | coming from arch I am used to different workflow installing the OS ;) but I will spin up a home lab and I think debian is the best choice here |
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| 11:55 | <twb> | That is how I make Debian Live images: https://github.com/cyberitsolutions/bootstrap2020/blob/main/debian-11-minimal.py |
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| 11:56 | <marcello42> | twb, I will have a look here. I also installed debian10 on my qnap arm. Stupid enough I have to reflash it now, since I cannot log in because I only have added root as a user and yea.. loggin in over ssh does not work anymore :D I mounted the drive and added permitrootlogin but yea.. It does not boot anymore |
| 11:57 | <twb> | marcello42: do you have local terminal at all? |
| 11:58 | <scorpion2185[m]> | that's another case of root discrimination |
| 11:58 | <marcello42> | twb, nope it is completely headless not even a keyboard to plugin |
| 11:58 | <twb> | marcello42: if you can edit boot prompt, add "break=bottom", then do something like "wget https://github.com/marcello42.keys >> /root/.ssh/authorized_keys" |
| 11:58 | <twb> | marcello42: or if the rootfs is on a SD card, you can do the same by moving the card to something else temporarily |
| 11:59 | <marcello42> | the rootfs is in the flash memory (16MB) which is soldered to the board |
| 11:59 | <twb> | There are limits to my powers :-) |
| 11:59 | <marcello42> | :D |
| 11:59 | <marcello42> | it only boots from the designated offset in the ROM |
| 12:00 | <marcello42> | but the guys from the deb team made a great job to get it fully working |
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| 12:04 | <DracuLars> | Thanks for making Debian, use it since a very long time, goodbye... |
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| 12:06 | <bremner> | scorpion2185[m]: just because you want to use your system in a very strange way doesn't mean anyone else is obligated to help you do so. There is no such thing as "root discrimination". |
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| 12:11 | <marcello42> | another perhaps more general question, is there any disadvantage using legacy bios compare to EFI for a debian install (especially in a VM) if debian is the only OS which should run here? The only thing I could think of is that legacy support will be dropped one day, but from how I do understand it is, that would ONLY be related to the bootloader rather than to the OS. |
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| 12:30 | <TobiX> | marcello42: Well, there are some security features you only get to use with UEFI Secure Boot... (For example: https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/manpages/kernel_lockdown.7.en.html) |
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| 12:32 | <TobiX> | Well, you can use them without UEFI Secure Boot, but then they are easily circumvented (just edit the grub config and reboot) |
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| 12:42 | <marcello42> | I see |
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| 12:49 | <tjcarter> | hm, seems udev rules do not grant console access to /dev/media* … is there a reason for that or are they just not keeping up with how webcams do webcammy things nowadays? |
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| 12:54 | <TobiX> | tjcarter: Do you mean /dev/video* - Those get ACLs assigned by logind IIRC |
| 12:55 | <tjcarter> | No, /dev/media* |
| 12:55 | <tjcarter> | I get two /dev/video* and a /dev/media* for each webcam device (internal and external) |
| 12:55 | <tjcarter> | I don't know why two /dev/video devices, that's weird |
| 12:56 | <TobiX> | Some webcams are two video devices :/ |
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| 12:56 | <tjcarter> | Three in this case |
| 12:56 | <tjcarter> | well, two video devices and a media controller |
| 12:56 | <TobiX> | My thingpad webcam is video0 and video1, but only video0 delivers a picture |
| 12:56 | <TobiX> | thinkpad* |
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| 12:58 | <FLD> | i also get 1cam2videos |
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| 12:59 | <TobiX> | FLD: :D |
| 12:59 | <tjcarter> | For some reason this is seeing my Logitech C930e as /dev/video0, /dev/video1, and /dev/media0. 81:0, 81:1, and 239:0 |
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| 13:00 | <tjcarter> | There's also a fun little bug where the v4l device keeps crapping itself under 5.14 kernels … but realizing I didn't have access to the media controller was discovered while trying to debug that |
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| 13:02 | <TobiX> | Aren't the video devices enough to do "webcammy" things? |
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| 13:08 | <tjcarter> | making it so I only have one camera here: https://termbin.com/7ze9c |
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| 13:08 | <tjcarter> | Found a file online Debian doesn't seem to ship with |
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| 13:09 | <tjcarter> | https://termbin.com/vrso |
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| 13:10 | <tjcarter> | adding that fixes the problem: https://termbin.com/dmtu |
| 13:10 | <tjcarter> | I now have full access to e.g. set this thing to 30 fps at 4k |
| 13:11 | <tjcarter> | er not this one, this won't do 30 fps at 4k, my ipevo document camera will |
| 13:11 | <tjcarter> | was trying to use that on lappy, but I just plugged the ipevo in on the desktop and the option now exists |
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| 13:20 | <tjcarter> | ah, cause discovered, I'm having AMD's famous USB disconnects |
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| 13:23 | <Sqrt{not}> | marcello42, the menu flow in the partition is a little non-intuitive. Select "Manual"; select your partition;Enter to change "Use as: Do not use";arrow to select appropriate filesystem (matching what it was already reported as); arrow down to "Format the partition: yes format it";hit enter to change the message to "no, keep existing data"; then proceed as normal. |
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| 13:44 | <twb> | bremner: well; it's true that treating root specially is a dirty hack inherited from Unix, because it was simpler than having a full MLS capabilities system |
| 13:45 | <twb> | bremner: I suspect that scorpion2185[m] is talking about e.g. chromium refusing to run as root because that would be Bloody Stupid |
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| 14:00 | <scorpion2185[m]> | bremner: who said that everyone else is obligated? who runs as root is discriminated like that guy that now has to reinstall the OS |
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| 14:04 | <matt`> | I'm running Firefox via flatpak on bullseye (under Gnome) and fonts like Helvetica are rendered poorly. They look like bitmap fonts. Some internet sleuthing reveals that this may be related to xdg-desktop-portal and/or xdg-desktop-portal-gtk, which bullseye's flatpack depends upon, but which do not seem to run when I run firefox with flatpak. Any idea where I can go from here? |
| 14:04 | <scorpion2185[m]> | I was talking about "I also installed debian10 on my qnap arm. [...] I have to reflash it now, since I cannot log in because I only have added root as a user and yea.. loggin in over ssh does not work anymore :D I mounted the drive and added permitrootlogin but yea.. It does not boot anymore |
| 14:04 | <scorpion2185[m]> | marcello42 said that |
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| 14:11 | <fernie> | matt`: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1621915#c3 |
| 14:13 | <marcello42> | scorpion2185[m], what is matter I do not get what you are talking about, perhaps it is me since my English is kinda limited, but do you mind to elaborate what you wanted to tell me? |
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| 14:15 | <scorpion2185[m]> | I didn't want to tell you anything in particular, just that because root log in doesn't work you had to reflash OS |
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| 14:18 | <marcello42> | yea, well I just wanted to setup a simple fileserver with the least amount of overhead on a very limited device which is anyway only accessible in LAN. perhaps not best practice but if you get phyiscal access to the device you can anyway do whatever you want to the device. |
| 14:18 | <tjcarter> | well my cheap-ass KVM is still a flaming pile of dog crap, but … yeah, I'm otherwise amazed. Current BIOS has fixed a number of USB instabilities. If you're having weirdness with USB, particularly on AMD systems with later kernels, check for upgrade |
| 14:18 | <marcello42> | so deactivating root doesn't bring any benifit at all |
| 14:18 | <marcello42> | (in my case) |
| 14:19 | <scorpion2185[m]> | https://www.garyshood.com/root/ |
| 14:20 | <twb> | scorpion2185[m]: "PermitRootLogins without-password" is in the Debian 9 or 10 release notes >shrug< |
| 14:21 | <twb> | You can always change that default, or use GNU ssh instead of OpenSSH |
| 14:21 | <scorpion2185[m]> | nice tell it to marcello42 is not me as I said, root log in security http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/faqs/login.html |
| 14:22 | <twb> | Both those links seem to miss the principle-of-least-privilege and defense-in-depth doctrines. |
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| 14:32 | <matt`> | fernie : That for that link. It works! ..but feels like an unfortunate hack. |
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| 14:34 | <sanosuke> | Hello! My name is Sanosuke. |
| 14:34 | <sanosuke> | I need some help with my screen res |
| 14:34 | <sanosuke> | problems w/ EDID in fact |
| 14:35 | <tjcarter> | sanosuke: too high or too low, or just totally wrong? |
| 14:35 | <sanosuke> | Just low res showing on my 2nd analog screen |
| 14:35 | <sanosuke> | Trouble seem to be in the lack of EDID reading |
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| 14:36 | <sanosuke> | I tried loading edid at boot |
| 14:36 | <sanosuke> | here is my proc cmdline |
| 14:36 | <sanosuke> | BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.4.0-3-amd64 root=UUID=4585016b-6561-4414-81b4-1659445df032 ro quiet splash video=HDMI-A-1:e |
| 14:37 | <fernie> | matt`: yeah idk how it works for these flatpaks and why isnt the systemwide config at /etc/fonts/conf.d/70-no-bitmaps.conf used, which does same thing |
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| 14:37 | <tjcarter> | sanosuke: you're under X? |
| 14:37 | <sanosuke> | I tried adding drm.edid_firmware=DVI-I-1:1705S1.edid,1705S1.edid video=DVI-I-1:e |
| 14:38 | <sanosuke> | Yes |
| 14:38 | <tjcarter> | (I don't know how to do this for Wayland) |
| 14:38 | <tjcarter> | xrandr | nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 14:39 | <sanosuke> | https://termbin.com/8ch4 |
| 14:39 | * | tjcarter looks |
| 14:40 | <sanosuke> | Here's the verbose variant |
| 14:40 | <sanosuke> | https://termbin.com/ubg1 |
| 14:40 | <tjcarter> | which one is your primary? |
| 14:40 | <sanosuke> | DVI-I-2 |
| 14:41 | <sanosuke> | My oldie VGA monitor is plugged on DVI-I-1 |
| 14:41 | <sanosuke> | I downloaded its edid |
| 14:41 | <tjcarter> | why are you providing it twice? |
| 14:41 | <tjcarter> | drm.edid_firmware=DVI-I-1:1705S1.edid,1705S1.edid |
| 14:42 | <sanosuke> | and tried to load it at boot |
| 14:42 | <sanosuke> | using this guide |
| 14:42 | <sanosuke> | https://wiki.debian.org/RepairEDID |
| 14:42 | <sanosuke> | because it didn't work |
| 14:42 | <sanosuke> | so tested adding it for every monitor |
| 14:43 | <tjcarter> | Did you put 1705S1.edid in /lib/firmware? |
| 14:43 | <sanosuke> | I'm using nvidia 340 legacy drivers btw, dunno if it's related to my issue |
| 14:44 | <sanosuke> | yes i did |
| 14:44 | <tjcarter> | shouldn't be |
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| 14:44 | <sanosuke> | https://termbin.com/1l2m |
| 14:45 | <tjcarter> | ah, a quick glance at that … did you rebuild your initramfs? |
| 14:45 | <sanosuke> | I installed wxEDID to check it's alright |
| 14:45 | <sanosuke> | mmm, nope |
| 14:45 | <tjcarter> | as root, update-initramfs -u -k all |
| 14:45 | <sanosuke> | should I :S |
| 14:46 | <sanosuke> | on its way |
| 14:46 | <tjcarter> | any time you add stuff to kernel or to kernel firmware, you want to update the initramfs |
| 14:46 | <sanosuke> | alright |
| 14:47 | <sanosuke> | but how does it know I added it to kernel |
| 14:47 | <sanosuke> | I just edited /edt/default/grub |
| 14:47 | <sanosuke> | etc* |
| 14:47 | <sanosuke> | and run updated-grub |
| 14:47 | <tjcarter> | for that you update-grub |
| 14:47 | <sanosuke> | yes, sry misstyped |
| 14:48 | <tjcarter> | (you could also add it to your module options since I think drm gets modprobed, lemme check) |
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| 14:48 | <sanosuke> | thx a lot, tale your time |
| 14:48 | <sanosuke> | take* |
| 14:48 | <matt`> | fernie: yes, and I don't know to what extent Fontconfig is still relevant for Gnome (which might have its own font config mechanism?). I think I'll just install firefox natively the old fashioned way! |
| 14:49 | <tjcarter> | yes, it could've been done using modutils, but it doesn't hurt to do it on kernel command line |
| 14:49 | <tjcarter> | matt`: Gnome still uses fontconfig's caches and whatnot |
| 14:50 | <sanosuke> | I'll need some guidance to do it using modutils if that can do the trick |
| 14:53 | <tjcarter> | you'd create /etc/modprobe.d/drm-<your machine>.options with edid_firmware=DVI-I-1:1705S1.edid then update-initramfs as above |
| 14:54 | <sanosuke> | awesome, ima try it! Thx |
| 14:54 | <tjcarter> | excuse me that's wrong |
| 14:54 | <tjcarter> | optiond drm edid_firmware=DVI-I-1:1705S1.edid |
| 14:54 | <tjcarter> | options drm edid_firmware=DVI-I-1:1705S1.edid |
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| 14:55 | <tjcarter> | (you could just have it be on the linux command line though!) |
| 14:55 | <twb> | tjcarter: I was only half listening. Are you basically writing an extra EDID blob to the mainboard, and then telling the kernel to use it? |
| 14:56 | <twb> | Oh never mind |
| 14:56 | <tjcarter> | twb: he's got a monitor that isn't reporting EDID, so he's adding it as a firmware blob |
| 14:56 | <twb> | I thought you said /sys/firmware not /lib/firmware |
| 14:56 | <tjcarter> | I had to learn this crap for an old, even crappier KVM than the one I have now. |
| 14:56 | <twb> | I understand now |
| 14:56 | <sanosuke> | K, gonna reboot to check if it works |
| 14:56 | <tjcarter> | back then X11 would crash if the monitor disappeared |
| 14:57 | <sanosuke> | brb |
| 14:57 | <sanosuke> | Thx again, brb |
| 14:57 | <tjcarter> | monitor/keyboard went away = oh noes! *crash* |
| 14:57 | <tjcarter> | Solution was dummy USB keyboard and hard-coded EDID |
| 14:57 | <twb> | tjcarter: one time my monitor was reporting wrong modelines on DVI-D but not D-sub. And I didn't have a D-sub cable anymore. So I googled, found an old Xorg.0.log someone had pastebinned, copied the modelines from that, and put them into xrandr. It worked! |
| 14:58 | <twb> | Then I noticed the pastebin was uploaded by... myself, 6 years earlier :-) |
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| 14:58 | * | tjcarter lols |
| 14:59 | <twb> | http://ix.io/26yn <-- the actual command, still in my notes |
| 14:59 | <tjcarter> | Or! When you find a question on stackexchange and it has no answer, asked by you 8 years earlier. |
| 14:59 | <tjcarter> | Or worse! when you answer yourself "I figured it out" and didn't put the solution. I mean it's bad when someone does that, but if it was you, hang your head in shame. |
| 15:00 | <tjcarter> | that hasn't happened to ME yet. |
| 15:00 | <tjcarter> | the one where I didn't get an answer the first time has. |
| 15:01 | <twb> | tjcarter: I never do that for exactly that reason |
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| 15:01 | <tjcarter> | oh good, because I'd laugh at you if it had. I always explain the solution I found if I found one. |
| 15:01 | <sanosuke> | I'm back |
| 15:01 | <tjcarter> | did it help? |
| 15:02 | <sanosuke> | not yet look at this file i edited |
| 15:02 | <sanosuke> | maybe i did wrong |
| 15:02 | <sanosuke> | I typed sudo cat /etc/modprobe.d/drm-kms-helper.conf |
| 15:02 | <sanosuke> | https://termbin.com/2zeae |
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| 15:03 | <tjcarter> | that first line won't help much because you don't have any HDMI |
| 15:04 | <sanosuke> | count it as removed ;) |
| 15:04 | <tjcarter> | twb: can you think of something I'm forgetting? |
| 15:05 | <sanosuke> | I did the update-initramfs thing |
| 15:05 | <tjcarter> | yeah, gimme a second, let's see if it took |
| 15:06 | <twb> | tjcarter: re sanosuke's problem? Sorry, no idea |
| 15:06 | <twb> | tjcarter: I don't even run X anymore :P |
| 15:06 | <sanosuke> | xD |
| 15:07 | <sanosuke> | k, i'll be back after dinner |
| 15:07 | <tjcarter> | sanosuke: cat /sys/module/drm/parameters/edid_firmware |
| 15:07 | <sanosuke> | so I let the gurus think xD |
| 15:07 | <sanosuke> | sudo cat /sys/module/drm/parameters/edid_firmware |
| 15:07 | <sanosuke> | DVI-I-1:1705S1.edid,1705S1.edid |
| 15:07 | <twb> | whenevver I see "XD" I think of nerve stapling in Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri |
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| 15:07 | <twb> | https://alphacentauri.fandom.com/wiki/Nerve_stapling |
| 15:08 | <tjcarter> | oh, remove the part ,1705S1.edid I don't know if that's screwing it up |
| 15:08 | <sanosuke> | aight |
| 15:08 | <tjcarter> | we'll be here when you get back (or someone will be if I'm not) |
| 15:08 | <sanosuke> | thumbs up |
| 15:09 | <sanosuke> | Thx once again |
| 15:09 | <sanosuke> | Ciao!!! |
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| 15:09 | <tjcarter> | may you find success on your next reboot! 😁 |
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| 15:15 | <tjcarter> | twb: I just went and configured emoji in Debian long before Debian was really set up for it by default. Accessibility reasons. |
| 15:16 | <tjcarter> | How does a screen reader know what "xD" i supposed to be? However it knows exactly what 😆 is. |
| 15:17 | <tjcarter> | Because 😆 has a specific defined name for what that character is, it's not ambiguous. |
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| 15:18 | <twb> | tjcarter: KOLOBOK LIVES |
| 15:21 | <tjcarter> | Granted, that's gotten a little screwy in modern times … FAMILY WITH POLYAMOROUS OPEN RELATIONSHIP WITH MAN, TWO WOMEN, ONE NON-BINARY, AND THREE CHILDREN: A BOY AND TWO GIRLS, ONE DOG (TERRIER), TWO CATS,AND PET IGUANA … I mean that's probably only slightly an exaggeration of current emoji compositions. |
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| 15:21 | <tjcarter> | It was easier when there was emoji for "FAMILY", but when you want to start expressing the "It's Complicated" of MY family … good luck with that. |
| 15:23 | <tjcarter> | "MY" being of course entirely subjective to the individual, because everyone's is going to be somewhat different. |
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| 15:23 | * | tjcarter notes lack of composition character for "albino", so he's just classic non-specific yellow. |
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| 15:26 | <sanosuke> | Hi again! Back from dinner (and reboot...) |
| 15:26 | <sanosuke> | no luck yet |
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| 15:27 | <sanosuke> | 😶 |
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| 15:31 | <twb> | tjcarter: Unicode combining characters for melanin are based on Fitzpatrick, which uses a single sliding scale for tendency to burn vs. tan when exposed to ultraviolet energy. Albinism might be classed as fitzpatrick-1; I don't know if there's a specific TR about it |
| 15:31 | <twb> | tjcarter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitzpatrick_scale |
| 15:31 | <zleap> | I don't expect an answer to this directly but could someone please explain why the hell in 2021 the thunar file manager does not even include a basic file search facility |
| 15:32 | <sanosuke> | k, I guess, I'll try harder tomorrow. Cya tomorrow!! |
| 15:32 | <tjcarter> | because in 2021 thunar wants to be small and use little resources. |
| 15:32 | <twb> | zleap: you're supposed to use an external tool like catfish |
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| 15:33 | <zleap> | ok |
| 15:33 | <twb> | zleap: thunar can search within the current directory IIRC |
| 15:33 | <zleap> | i can't find the search facility |
| 15:33 | <zleap> | ok so i just do apt install catfish then |
| 15:33 | <twb> | catfish is what I shpi |
| 15:33 | <twb> | *ship |
| 15:33 | <zleap> | ok |
| 15:33 | <twb> | You'll probably want to also install findutils and mlocate |
| 15:33 | <zleap> | is catfish a gui tool |
| 15:34 | <twb> | Or even plocate these days... |
| 15:34 | <twb> | zleap: yes, catfish is a GUI |
| 15:34 | <twb> | It is part of XFCE |
| 15:34 | <twb> | https://docs.xfce.org/apps/catfish |
| 15:34 | <zleap> | catfish doesnt appear to be inclded by default |
| 15:35 | <twb> | https://docs.xfce.org/apps/catfish/usage |
| 15:35 | <zleap> | ok got it |
| 15:35 | <tjcarter> | somehow catfish is not part of the xfce task |
| 15:35 | <zleap> | i'll make a blog post to tell people |
| 15:35 | <twb> | It might be replaced as default by something else nowadays |
| 15:35 | <tjcarter> | that really ought to be corrected |
| 15:35 | <zleap> | tjcarter, yeah i think new users coming from windows / mac may somehow expect a search for file facility |
| 15:36 | <zleap> | i will make a blog post anyway |
| 15:36 | <tjcarter> | Users coming from Mac/Windows are probably using Gnome, KDE, or Cinnamon |
| 15:37 | <twb> | "grep-aptavail -FHomepage xfce" and then looking for "search" only finds xfce4-smartbookmark-plugin |
| 15:37 | <tjcarter> | but yes, XFCE could use a little more care |
| 15:38 | <twb> | Hrm, can plocate read databases created by mlocate? |
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| 15:38 | <twb> | "Breaks: mlocate" is not promising |
| 15:39 | <twb> | Wow, in Debian 12 mlocate is gone |
| 15:44 | <azeem> | progress |
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| 15:53 | <tjcarter> | plocate doesn't use mlocate's index |
| 15:53 | <tjcarter> | its own is way smaller |
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| 15:55 | <twb> | tjcarter: I thought it might support the old format for backcompat |
| 15:56 | <twb> | it doesn't |
| 15:56 | <zleap> | https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/catfish-file-search |
| 15:56 | <zleap> | just made a blog post |
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| 16:01 | <twb> | tjcarter: https://bugs.debian.org/996735 |
| 16:02 | <tjcarter> | My big XFCE "why is this dumb?" involves plugging in USB headphones |
| 16:02 | <tjcarter> | gee, you probably don't want to switch to those |
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| 16:02 | <tjcarter> | nor do you really want a convenient way to do that without digging through pulseaudio! |
| 16:03 | <twb> | It's not actually substantially smaller for me: 2.9M test.mlocatedb 5.9M test.plocatedb |
| 16:03 | <tjcarter> | where you … "set fallback" ? wut? |
| 16:03 | <twb> | Withouth compression=zstd, they're both ~6½MB |
| 16:03 | <tjcarter> | wow, that's the opposite of smaller |
| 16:03 | <twb> | 6.6M test.mlocatedb 6.3M test.plocatedb |
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| 16:04 | <tjcarter> | I don't even wanna know how big my db is |
| 16:04 | <twb> | tjcarter: re USB headphones, are you using pipewire, pulseaudio, or something else? |
| 16:04 | <twb> | tjcarter: xfce in Debian 11 defaults to pa |
| 16:04 | <tjcarter> | I have pulseaudio |
| 16:04 | <tjcarter> | it doesn't automatically switch |
| 16:04 | <twb> | interesting |
| 16:04 | <twb> | I didn't think the GUI had to be involved in that AT ALL |
| 16:05 | <tjcarter> | Cinnamon's has this weird thing where devices appear multiple times in SPDIF and not flavors (when the devices in question don't have SPDIF) |
| 16:11 | <tjcarter> | twb: I haven't played with pipewire much. It's running, but it's running in the same capacity that it is under bullseye. I haven't done any due dilligence yet on how or if to migrate to it as a primary audio thingy. |
| 16:12 | <twb> | I did a basic test of "can I hear noises in youtube in chromium in xfce" and it worked the same with pipewire as pa |
| 16:12 | <twb> | With this: http://ix.io/3C4j |
| 16:13 | <twb> | Hrm interesting... "disable pulseaudio" there should error if pulseaudio is not installed. Which implies it WAS installed, even in pipewire builds. |
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| 16:16 | <tjcarter> | does xbell work with pipewire? |
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| 16:17 | <tjcarter> | with pulse I need https://termbin.com/hhhw |
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| 16:19 | <tjcarter> | crap, gotta run |
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| 16:39 | <whoody362> | hey. is there any way to install the tp link archer t3u plus on debian stable? |
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| 16:47 | <jmcnaught> | whoody361: is it USB? What happens when you plug it in? After plugging it in check the commands "dmesg" or "journalctl -e" to see if there are messages about missing firmware. |
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| 16:48 | <pert> | it is USB, but he just left :( |
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| 16:48 | <whoody361> | hey. is there any way to install the tp link archer t3u plus on debian stable? |
| 16:49 | <jmcnaught> | whoody361: is it USB? What happens when you plug it in? After plugging it in check the commands "dmesg" or "journalctl -e" to see if there are messages about missing firmware. |
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| 16:51 | <whoody362> | nothing happens. i can get it to work on mint with a script on github which i basically copy/paste. but in debian stable i cant. |
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| 16:51 | <whoody362> | the next problem is, i have the machine on dualboot, so i cant just put in the command. otherwise i cannot write here :s |
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| 16:53 | <twb> | So that's just a USB<->802.11ac adapter? |
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| 16:55 | <twb> | https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/usb-adapter/archer-t3u-plus/ |
| 16:55 | <pert> | whoody361: could you give us the relevant output of the 'lsusb' command so we can identify the chip for sure? |
| 16:55 | <pert> | especially with USB devices, manufacturers like to switch the internals out without changing the model name/number |
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| 16:56 | <twb> | Yes what really matters is the chip |
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| 16:59 | <lnxnoob> | sorry, had disconnect |
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| 17:00 | <pert> | could you give us the relevant output of the 'lsusb' command so we can identify the chip for sure? especially with USB devices, manufacturers like to switch the internals out without changing the model name/number |
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| 17:01 | <lnxnoob> | alright, ill take a look and come back with the output |
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| 17:03 | <twb> | And if you have 2 computers, use IRC on the other one instead of rebooting... |
| 17:03 | <sney> | wonder what their next nick will be. /s |
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| 17:14 | <lnxnoob> | im back again. the output for the usb wlan is: Bus 002 Device 002: ID 2357:0138 TP-Link 802.11ac NIC |
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| 17:15 | <jmcnaught> | lnxnoob: maybe you can tether your phone over USB to your computer? Having some connectivity would help troubleshooting. Or maybe use IRC from another device so you don't keep disconnecting? |
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| 17:18 | <lnxnoob> | i can. but because its late i thought about doing it tomorrow. |
| 17:18 | <lnxnoob> | or do you think that it is done quickly? |
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| 17:19 | <jmcnaught> | lnxnoob: if you installed GNOME, KDE, or Xfce as a desktop when you installed Debian then NetworkManager will probably detect and enable the USB networking device (your phone) |
| 17:20 | <pert> | lnxnoob: was this a device you purchased recently? if you expected it to work better with GNU/Linux, perhaps you could return it. unfortunately off-the-shelf hardware has to be chosen selectively for GNU/Linux, especially if you want it to work with a minimum of proprietary software |
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| 17:21 | <pert> | of course we'll still try to get it to work, but just a thought |
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| 17:26 | <lnxnoob1> | sorry, i got disconnected again. so i installed xfce with debian buster stable. what is network manager? will it work over my iphone? |
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| 17:27 | <jmcnaught> | lnxnoob: I do not know if iphone can do USB tethering, most Androids can |
| 17:27 | <lnxnoob> | and no, i didnt purchase the usb wlan recently. had it here and on windows it worked just fine out of the box. what is a good usb wlan adapter that works with debian? |
| 17:28 | <pert> | lnxnoob: I must disclose that they've provided me compensation in the past for my Debian packaging work related to it, but this works with exclusively free software and is pretty much the best you can do: https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-n-usb-adapter-gnu-linux-tpe-n150usb |
| 17:29 | <pert> | there are a few other vendors that are Free Software Foundation Respects Your Freedom-certified that sell them too |
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| 17:30 | <LtL> | jmcnaught: iphone can do tethering via usb. |
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| 17:35 | <lnxnoob> | and how? |
| 17:36 | <jmcnaught> | "Siri? Tether over USB." |
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| 17:38 | <LtL> | lnxnoob: use the charging cable and plug the usb end in to a usb port |
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| 17:38 | <lnxnoob> | and itll just work so? |
| 17:39 | <LtL> | lnxnoob: iirc, you need to enable hot spot on the phone |
| 17:40 | <LtL> | I rarely need to do it, but i assure you it can work |
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| 17:41 | <twb> | Does iOS let you change the phone's name yet, for when your wife's name is Siri? |
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| 19:41 | <olmos_bcn> | hi , hola , someone could helpme... i have 2 screens and i have problem with resolution |
| 19:42 | <twb> | olmos_bcn: what is the problem? |
| 19:42 | <olmos_bcn> | eii thks .... im sorry for my english |
| 19:42 | <olmos_bcn> | im from spain |
| 19:42 | <olmos_bcn> | but i will try to explaind |
| 19:42 | <olmos_bcn> | so i have two screens one by hdmi cable |
| 19:43 | <olmos_bcn> | and other with vga |
| 19:43 | <olmos_bcn> | i have this cardproduct: CometLake-S GT2 [UHD Graphics 630] |
| 19:44 | <olmos_bcn> | i can't put best resolution in monitor that have vga cable |
| 19:45 | <olmos_bcn> | this is my problem |
| 19:46 | <twb> | olmos_bcn: OK. Please run the command "xrandr", and pastebin the output. |
| 19:47 | <twb> | olmos_bcn: also, if you prefer, you can ask for help in Spanish on #debian-es |
| 19:47 | <olmos_bcn> | Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 2384 x 768, maximum 16384 x 16384 DP-1 connected primary 1024x768+1360+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm 1024x768 60.00* 800x600 60.32 56.25 848x480 60.00 640x480 59.94 HDMI-1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) HDMI-2 connected 1360x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 410mm x 230mm 1360x768 |
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| 19:49 | <twb> | olmos_bcn: your output was truncated. Try https://paste.debian.net |
| 19:49 | <Cari-gb> | Boa noite. Alguém que fale português? |
| 19:49 | <twb> | !pt |
| 19:49 | <dpkg> | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-br ) - debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org |
| 19:50 | <twb> | olmos_bcn: it seems your screen is detected as 1024x768 max resolution. |
| 19:50 | <olmos_bcn> | yes |
| 19:50 | <twb> | olmos_bcn: this is "DP-1" which is Display Port not VGA |
| 19:50 | <twb> | olmos_bcn: are you using some kind of adapter cable? |
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| 19:51 | <olmos_bcn> | no, i use vga cable from card to screen and hdmi from card to screen to |
| 19:51 | <olmos_bcn> | too |
| 19:52 | <olmos_bcn> | if i change the monitor who have hdmi cable have max resultion ... but the monitor with vga cable always 1024x768 |
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| 19:52 | <twb> | olmos_bcn: OK there are two possible problems |
| 19:52 | <olmos_bcn> | ok |
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| 19:53 | <twb> | olmos_bcn: 1) your graphics card cannot drive both monitors at full resolution. This is unlikely. |
| 19:53 | <twb> | olmos_bcn: 2) the detection is broken. This uses "DDC" or "EDID" protocol. |
| 19:53 | <twb> | olmos_bcn: my guess is DP->VGA is somehow breaking that |
| 19:54 | <twb> | I don't know exactly how to fix this, but you might try this tool: gddccontrol |
| 19:54 | <olmos_bcn> | i have other partition with windows and they working good |
| 19:54 | <twb> | olmos_bcn: you can also look at Xorg.0.log |
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| 20:00 | <olmos_bcn> | where is Xorg.0.log? |
| 20:00 | <sney> | in /var/log usually |
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| 20:01 | <Cari-gb> | Goodnight. |
| 20:01 | <Cari-gb> | I am a Debian 10 user and I want to enable the use of multiple virtual terminals, with the commands ctrl+alt+Fx |
| 20:01 | <Cari-gb> | How do I enable this function? Can someone help me? |
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| 20:04 | <twb> | Cari-gb: that should Just Work, it's the default behaviour |
| 20:06 | <Cari-gb> | In Debian 10 this function is disabled |
| 20:07 | <sney> | that smells wayland-related |
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| 20:30 | <twb> | sney: WFM on Debian 11 with gnome3 wayland |
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| 20:35 | <tjcarter> | or sddm for KDE |
| 20:36 | <tjcarter> | "why shouldn't the DM use the first three VTs?" ^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 20:36 | <tjcarter> | That, above, and the fact that this is NOT the first time the question has been asked |
| 20:37 | * | tjcarter wanders off to get ready for another appointment since he doesn't know how to "break" the holy Gnoman Empire's decree that nobody needs their VTs anymore. |
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| 20:38 | <twb> | tjcarter: I've never seen it coopt more than 1 or 2 |
| 20:38 | <twb> | Is the unstated confusion arising bceause the GUI takes vt1 instead of vt7? |
| 20:38 | <twb> | And the OP didn't try Ctrl+Alt+F4 only F1 |
| 20:39 | <tjcarter> | apparently it's possible for it to eat up to 3. And it may or may not permit you to changge them regardless. |
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| 20:40 | <tjcarter> | One a coupld of days ago changed VTs to find only black screen and flashing cursor waiting, though I don't know how/if that resolved. |
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| 20:41 | <twb> | tjcarter: that is normal under system stress, because getty starts on-demand now |
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| 20:42 | <twb> | getty *should* auto-start once you switch to a terminal, for terminals up to 8 |
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| 21:44 | <plusi> | I installed gnome desktop environment on my server for a graphical interface, how would one access that now? anyone got something simple and fast to recommend? |
| 21:45 | <sney> | xrdp |
| 21:45 | <sney> | though a full desktop gui will not be particularly snappy over a network |
| 21:46 | <sney> | ,i xrdp |
| 21:46 | <judd> | Package xrdp (net, optional) in bullseye/amd64: Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) server. Version: 0.9.12-1.1; Size: 435.5k; Installed: 2951k; Homepage: http://www.xrdp.org/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/xrdp |
| 21:46 | <plusi> | got it. its enough to just apt install xrdp right? |
| 21:46 | <twb> | cool kids use broadway |
| 21:46 | <twb> | that runs gnome inside a web browser |
| 21:47 | <plusi> | twb that sounds awesome actually. i didnt know of it |
| 21:47 | <twb> | broadwayd :0 & GDK_BACKEND=broadway BROADWAY_DISPLAY=:0 virt-manager & firefox-esr http://127.0.0.1:8080 & |
| 21:47 | <sney> | me neither |
| 21:47 | <twb> | only works for GTK3 apps |
| 21:47 | <plusi> | lmao vouch |
| 21:48 | <sney> | rdp handles login and session launching, it's the same protocol and works much the same as windows remote desktop |
| 21:48 | <plusi> | sney thats dope |
| 21:48 | <plusi> | what u guys say about vnc and spice? |
| 21:48 | <sney> | vnc is 1990s technology |
| 21:49 | <sney> | spice seems fine but I've never had to bother with it |
| 21:49 | <twb> | sney: well, so is RDP |
| 21:49 | <plusi> | both are still widely used so it doesnt matter =D |
| 21:49 | <twb> | fortunately you can still choose X which is 1980s tech :P |
| 21:49 | <plusi> | i think some old tech is actually better |
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| 21:51 | <sney> | sometimes, but vnc is not included in that |
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| 21:52 | <plusi> | sney ill end up going with both xrdp and broadwayd |
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