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---Logopened Mon Oct 18 00:00:22 2021
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00:28<stephen>Hey guys, I just want to install debian on my laptop, which directory should I choose on the page: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/
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00:29<jm_>iso-cd is the simplest/smallest
00:30<sney>stephen: if you have a network connection, iso-cd, and then the netinst iso; if you don't, iso-dvd and then dvd-1
00:30<sney>bt-* are the same thing but via bittorrent
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00:34<stephen>I've got a wireless network card
00:35<stephen>I couldn't connect WiFi when I was using the normal netinst version
00:35<stephen>could iso-cd do that ?
00:39<sney>probably as long as your wifi nic just needs firmware. if it's an integrated nic, not usb, this is most likely the case
00:39<sney>but there are always n+1 new wifi card models and it's hard to keep track. so your best bet is to try it.
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00:40<stephen>ok, I'll have a try
00:40<stephen>thanks
00:41<sney>np
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02:21<tjcarter>sney: Waiting for USB 4.0 so we can all just get Intel "USB" wifi devices. 😛
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02:25<tjcarter>sney: at work we have a list of "just working" USB wifi dongles that you can just plug into a Linux Mint standard machine with firmwares and they work without compiling an out-of-kernel module. There is ONE 802.11ac device on the list. And Netgear stopped manufacturing it.
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02:26<tjcarter>(The one in my tool bag was scavenged from eBay.)
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03:34<twb>tjcarter: is that including linux-firmware-nonfree &c?
03:35<tjcarter>That list likely does include firmwares since Mint would come out of the box with those.
03:35<twb>I actually haven't had to deal with USB wifi for like 4 years, because everything shipped with either an 802.3ab port, or an internal 802.11ac on a 30mm M.2 slot
03:36<tjcarter>We give computers to people who may not have ethernet available and wouldn't know what m.2 was to begin with. 😁
03:39<tjcarter>BTW my /dev/media0 thing this morning … Debian doesn't TAG+="uaccess" it because there's an expectation of being in group video
03:40<tjcarter>I wasn't—but since v4l devices have TAG+="uaccess" I didn't need to be.
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04:42<seojin>한국인 없나?
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06:58<Human_G33k>hi i try to remove systemd (to make test with other init system) but it's not working. https://paste.debian.net/1215840/
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06:58<frogzilla>looking for some help to get my usb wifi adapter running on debian bullseye stable
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07:04<JPT>Human_G33k: Looks like you first need to install another init system, then switch to it and then purge systemd.
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07:05<JPT>At least that's what it says in your output: "systemd is the active init system, please switch to another before removing systemd."
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07:05<Human_G33k>ok i will try
07:06<Human_G33k>i miss that part thx
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07:06<JPT>Good luck, I never tried such a big thing :)
07:06<frogzilla>looking for some help with my usb wifi adapter
07:08<Human_G33k>frogzilla: can you tell us the brand and model ?
07:09<frogzilla>its a tplink archer t3u plus
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07:11<Human_G33k>for what i read on a random blog on internet you need rtl8822BU
07:11<frogzilla>i just tried a script from github but the terminal says i havent installed rsync and some other required packages installed
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07:12<frogzilla>thats right. im looking to run rtl8822bu. on linux mint i could just install it via terminal. but on debian its way more complicated for me as a beginner
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07:14<Human_G33k>maybe it's provide by a realtek-rtl package.
07:15<mosasaur>if you do "lsusb" there should be some hexcode like xxxx:yyyy you can use that to search for drives
07:15<mosasaur>drivers
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07:16<frogzilla>i get the output 2357:0138 for it. how do i search for the drivers exactly?
07:16<Human_G33k>try a aptitude install or apt install -f if says missing package it should install what is needed or just install with apt install packagename
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07:17<frogzilla>but which package should i install?
07:18<Human_G33k> i havent installed rsync and some other required packages installed
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07:19<frogzilla>ok ill try
07:21<Human_G33k>try to install "hight level" packages first. for ie rsync and not their dependancies if the output list rsync and their dependancies. If not just copy paste and run
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07:22<Human_G33k>if the github script is outdated (for lib that embed version number in name) use apt search to find new one.
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07:24<frogzilla>what are "high level" packages?
07:24<jm_>in which context are you asking?
07:24<frogzilla>for installing packages
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07:25<frogzilla>rsync worked with apt install. but dkms wont.
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07:25<jm_>!bat
07:25<dpkg>[Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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07:26<jm_>or in other words, is installing from network mirrors working for you or not?
07:27<frogzilla>no, i have no network. only a usb wifi adapter. the tplink archer t3u plus to be precise. trying to install rtl8822bu
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07:27<frogzilla>now im getting the message that there are a few packages that i have to install in order to get dkms installed too
07:28<jm_>right, you'll need to install its dependencies, and it's not just 2-3 packages
07:28<frogzilla>yeah. and thats the problem i have. is there any option to install multiple packages at once?
07:29<jm_>I am not sure I understand that question, both apt and dpkg support that, so there must be something I'm missing
07:31<frogzilla>the dependencies showing up for dkms are lsb-release, gcc, dpkg-dev, make, patch, dctrl-tools and so on
07:31<frogzilla>and at the bottom it says that i have defect packages o.o
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07:32<jm_>yup, and you'll also need at least one of the recommended packages linux-headers-...
07:32<mosasaur>frogzilla: I just found this, maybe it helps https://github.com/Mange/rtl8192eu-linux-driver/issues/204
07:32<frogzilla>which packages?
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07:35<jm_>for amd64 kernel it's linux-headers-amd64
07:35<Tj>frogzilla: if you have another Internet-connected PC you can use apt-offline to grab the required packages and trnansfer them to the non-networked PC via removable media
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07:40<frogzilla>tried to install linux-headers-amd64_5.10.70-1_amd64.deb via apt install, but now the terminal shows up that its dependency is linux-headers-5.10.0.9-amd64..
07:40<jm_>linux-headers-amd64 is just a meta package to pull in the latest available version
07:40<jm_>you only need its dependency
07:41<frogzilla>the ones listed here? https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/any/dkms/
07:42<jm_>wait, you're not using debian?
07:42<mosasaur>frogzilla: just to make sure, do you have firmware-realtek installed?
07:43<frogzilla>i do. but im confused because of the other link above
07:43<frogzilla>i dont think that i have
07:43<mosasaur>ah that was just an example of how to use the device code to get some more hints
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07:44<frogzilla>oh, i see
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07:44<frogzilla>should i just search for the dependent packages manually?
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07:45<jm_>frogzilla: if you can't do it on a debian system use https://packages.debian.org/ to find packages, deps and get links to download
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07:47<frogzilla>it there no, which contain multiple packages in one?
07:48<jm_>right now I understand high-level packages question - nope
07:49<jm_>if you have debian and working apt mirror, meta packages achieve that
07:49<jm_>but for manual download like you need, no
07:49<jm_>but tools like apt-offline can probably help you to make it easier
07:50<frogzilla>for what is apt-offline?
07:50<Tj>frogzilla: see https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/apt-offline
07:50<Tj>will even work to fetch files on MS Windows
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07:58<frogzilla>now.. i installed one package without issues but the next ones of the dependencies shows me up other dependencies
07:58<frogzilla>do i have to install dozens of packages manually now?
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08:04<jm_>yes, that's why apt-offline was suggested
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08:17<frogzilla>ok, apt-offline is installed now. but how to i update with it?
08:18<Tj>frogzilla: see "man apt-offline" towards the end where it describes the command sequence
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08:21<Tj>frogzilla: in your case, in sequence 2, you'd also want the "--install-packages XXXXX" added to the apt-offline set ..." command on the disconnected machine
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08:25<frogzilla>are the packages with apt-offline included?
08:26<grummund>Hi, Accepting the caveat that it's deprecated, what's the right way to enable /etc/rc.local on Debian 10 ?
08:28<grummund>'systemctl enable rc-local' says: "The unit files have no installation config (WantedBy=, RequiredBy=, Also=, ... This means they are not meant to be enabled using systemctl."
08:28<Tj>grummund: the better question would be, why is it required ?
08:29<frogzilla>i just followed sequence 2 which says apt-offline set upgrade.sig --upgrade. the output now is gethering details needed for upgrade operation
08:31<marcello42>Hey, questions about mkfs together with badblocks. I do have a drive which says according to blockdev --getbsz a value of 4096, however fdisk says 512bytes logical 4096 physical - what is that about? Furthermore, I created a ext2 partition without -cc flags which has been created with 1024 since I did not specify the blocksize. Apart from the logical/physical question given that I also created an ext4 which
08:31<marcello42>appears to have a blocksize of 4096 according to blockdev I am wondering if I might encountered false negatives during the badblocks test? I am super confused with the attributes maybe someone can clarify that for me? I know it is kinda generic but I am running debian oldstable
08:32<marcello42>man did not satisfy it for me at all :) if some parts are not quite clear it might be my bad English sorry for that :D
08:37<Tj>marcello42: logical/physical is the drive geometry. Physically the smallest block the drive can write is 4096 bytes, but its Logical Block Addressing (LBA) is based on 512 byte blocks (sectors). That means if you want to write to the logical sector 2 (the 3rd 512-byte sector) the drive will need to read the 1st physical sector (of 4096 bytes), patch in the new data at offset 1024,
08:37<Tj>then write back the 1st physical sector
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08:38<Tj>marcello42: so physically the drive writes 8 logical sectors at a time, at multiples of 8 offset from 0
08:39<marcello42>thanks! So doing 4K sectors for the partition would be the best choice (if not having tons of files below 2K I guess)
08:39<marcello42>or even below 4*2^9+1
08:40<Tj>marcello42: usually partitioners will position the starting sector on optimal multiples so it aligns with the drive physical geometry ( so a read of the first sector of a partition is always the start of a physical sector)
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08:42<Tj>marcello42: you can generally leave it at the defaults. Oftentimes the block size used in file-systems is chosen to match the memory page size (4096 bytes) anyhow
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08:44<marcello42>thanks for making this clear. How about perhaps having wrong results with badblocks? I am not aware what mkfs.ext2 feeds into badblocks with -cc flags; could it be a problem that ext2 is sized to 1K blocks if the drive has 4K blocks?
08:44<guifipedro_>this link is broken [1], can we have a permanent link with "latest stable", the most closer is [2]. Is there a more appropriate channel to discuss this? Thanks [1] https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.0.0+nonfree/multi-arch/iso-cd/firmware-11.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso [2] https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/
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08:49<somiaj>guifipedro_: where are you seeing the link to 11.0.0?
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08:49<Tj>marcello42: "blockdev" reports on the underlying physical device (via reading /sys/block/$dev/queue/{logical,physical}_block_size )
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08:50<Tj>marcello42: file-system blocks are not the same as device blocks.
08:51<guifipedro_>somiaj: I stored on my notes, and I send it to some people via email. now it returns 404 because it is archived. I would like to have a current.iso permanent link :)
08:52<somiaj>You could maybe email the cd team, but since they are unofficial, it is probably better to just send out the link https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/ which will contain the current image
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08:53<somiaj>you can also use the mailing list debian-cd@lists.debian.org, which is what is reocmmended here https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/
08:54<somiaj>there is also #debian-cd, https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianCd
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08:55<marcello42>Thanks Tj
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09:19<guifipedro_>thanks somiaj
09:20<frogzilla>what do i do after the command "sudo apt-offline install bundle.zip" in apt-offline? terminal shows me some output in red, mostly gpgv and some green "packages"?
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09:42<laanan>Hi folks, I would love to understand the difference between a remote instance and a local instance of the same user. For example, I am logged in at a remote computer as, let's say, *user1*. I then go to a remote computer and connect: ssh user1@remotehost.
09:44<laanan>Using the *who* command, I get a user at tty7 and display :0, and a user at pts/0 with the remote ip listed in the same column as the display for the other user
09:44<sussudio>one is here, the other is there.
09:44<laanan>(which I take to mean there is no display for the remote user)
09:45<laanan>sussudio, I get that, what I mean is, then how do I differentiate if I need to manipulate
09:45<mosasaur>you can get one with ssh -Y
09:45<laanan>for instance, if I want to get to the X display of the local version
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09:45<laanan>Oh, what does the -Y switch do?
09:45<mosasaur>it gives you a display
09:46<laanan>Aaaaahhh
09:46<laanan>ok
09:46<laanan>I guess more generally, though
09:47<laanan>still, If I am wanting to export DISPLAy or whatever, how do you differentiate between the two? Like, the local user is user1.debian, right?
09:47<laanan>What's the domain of the remote user?
09:47<laanan>is it user1.remotehost?
09:47<mosasaur>via x11vnc you can get a copy of the remote display
09:49<frogzilla>how do i install the synced packages from the bundle.zip with apt-offline?
09:49<laanan>mosasaur, yes, I've done that before. The issue is, if you try to run x11vnc as the remote user, it's challenging to get access to the local user's display
09:49<laanan>the auth guess switch works sometimes for me, however, I'd like to understand the underlying framework better so I can better troubleshoot when it doesn't work
09:51<scorpion2185[m]>is normal that aplay sounds very bad? when `aplay /path/to/song-file`
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09:52<mosasaur>laanan: why not run a script on the remote machine via ssh
09:53<laanan>mosasaur: how do I get the script to run under the local user?
09:53<laanan>Sorry if this is an overly basic question :-(
09:55<laanan>For example, if I run x11vnc -display :0 -auth guess, the output is: The VNC desktop is: debian:0 PORT=5900
09:55<laanan>but the display I want is user1:0
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09:56<laanan>and if I run the command with user1:0, x11vnc crashes with the comment that it can't access the Xserver
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09:57<laanan>I *think* I can work around this using xhost, but, again, how to tell the computer I want to give user1.remote access to user1.local's X???
09:57<will0w>scorpion2185[m]: if the levels are too high it could be clipping. you can try alsamixer to lower the levels
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10:01<laanan>from xhost: xhost +si:localuser:some_user
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10:02<laanan>that command should be able to grant the remote user access to the local user's X, but, again how to differentiate???
10:03<mosasaur>laanan: You could tell x11vnc to serve any display on the remote side, and still present it as display :0 to the viewer
10:03<laanan>As far as I can tell, both users are user1.debian
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10:07<mosasaur>port 5900 is usually display :0
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10:09<otisolsen70>Is it possible to set up a debian source in sources.list with authentication? Say, if I have a private repository to which I want to control access?
10:10<ansgar>otisolsen70: "Client authentication" in man:apt-transport-https(1).
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10:11<otisolsen70>ansgar, thanks
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10:27<tangarora_>do
10:29<scorpion2185[m]>will0w it plays it so disturbed that I can't imagine what's the audio file
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10:32<sussudio>yeah Disturbed are pretty bad.
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10:34<imMute>you shut your mouth.
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10:37<jkc>You may not like their music, but they're actually extremely talented.
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10:43<Sqrt{not}>scorpion2185[m], clipping is bad. did you try will0w's suggestion?
10:45<scorpion2185[m]>-t, --file-type TYPE File type (voc, wav, raw or au)
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10:47<scorpion2185[m]>I download a voc mvp can handle it but aplay doesn't. but it works with wav
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10:53<scorpion2185[m]>doesn someone use spectral ? After I enter log in credentials nothing happens
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10:53<somiaj>aplay just plays wavs, and really doens't support various compressions/codecs
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10:59<Sqrt{not}>scorpion2185[m], did you add that "-t TYPE" thing to your command?
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11:00<somiaj>ahh I guess aplay does work with voc with --file-type option
11:01<Sqrt{not}>scorpion2185[m], maybe also enable the VU-meters option, and look at what it shows you?
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11:06<sanosuke>Hello every1!
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11:06<sanosuke>Any1 willing to help me w/ my low screen res??
11:07<sanosuke>Yday tjcarter helped me a lot, but we couldn't workaround it
11:07<sanosuke> 😵‍
11:08<sanosuke>😧
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11:09<sanosuke>I'm trying to make my kernel preload the edid of my VGA screen so i could get higher resolutions ...
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11:10<sanosuke>Look at DVI-I-1 (xrandr --verbose| nc termbin.com 9999)
11:10<sanosuke>https://termbin.com/krl5
11:10<sanosuke>C'mon
11:11<sanosuke>$ cat /proc/cmdline
11:11<sanosuke>BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.4.0-3-amd64 root=UUID=4585016b-6561-4414-81b4-1659445df032 ro quiet splash drm.edid_firmware=DVI-I-1:1705S1.edid video=DVI-I-1:e
11:12<sanosuke>$ sudo cat /sys/module/drm/parameters/edid_firmware
11:12<sanosuke>DVI-I-1:1705S1.edid
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11:12<sanosuke>$ grep -i edid /var/log/Xorg.0.log
11:12<sanosuke>[ 23.654] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.4.0-3-amd64 root=UUID=4585016b-6561-4414-81b4-1659445df032 ro quiet splash drm.edid_firmware=DVI-I-1:1705S1.edid video=DVI-I-1:e
11:12<sanosuke>[ 30.260] (WW) NVIDIA(0): Unable to read EDID for display device CRT-1
11:12<sanosuke>[ 30.297] (**) NVIDIA(0): Using HorizSync/VertRefresh ranges from the EDID for display
11:12<sanosuke>[ 30.297] (**) NVIDIA(0): device CRT-1 (Using EDID frequencies has been enabled on
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11:14<sanosuke>😭😭😭😭
11:14<sanosuke>Sry for that flood
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11:14<sanosuke>I just need some helping hand
11:14<sanosuke>Hola! Hablo español y frances
11:15<azeem>stop flooding
11:15<azeem>if somebody can help you, they will answer, be patient
11:15<sanosuke>ok, I guess I ll try forums
11:15<sanosuke>alright
11:15<azeem>maybe try asking again tomorrow
11:15<sanosuke>Sry
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11:19<sanosuke>Any1 willing to help me w/ my low screen res??
11:20<azeem>17:15 < azeem> maybe try asking again tomorrow
11:20<Sqrt{not}>[08:15:28] <azeem> if somebody can help you, they will answer, be patient
11:21<sanosuke>K, cya tomorrow i guess
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11:29<marcello42>Hey, I earlier asked a question but I noticed it is not completely answered regarding bad blocks :) - my harddrive has physical 4K sectors what happens if I use mkfs.ext2 (which actually uses 1K blocks) and calls badblocks with -cc flag ? Is badblocks using 1K for its operation? I would assume since it is also the default. Would I have a perhaps false result since the device uses 4K sectors?
11:31<imMute>marcello42: is this a raw NAND/NOR flash device or a standard hard drive?
11:32<marcello42>standard hdd good you ask
11:32<imMute>then you don't need to worry about bad blocks. the drive firmware handles hiding them from you entirely
11:32<imMute>marcello42: generally when you have to worry about bad blocks, it's when you're using a raw flash device. in which case using ext is bad idea.
11:34<marcello42>you would prefer f2fs over ext4 for a flash drive? I have usually btrfs on my flash devices but not exclusively some are running ext4 didn't saw a really downside so far, maybe you wanna share your thoughts w/ me?
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11:35<petn-randall>marcello42: Unless you set it differently, mkfs.ext2 uses 4k blocks. It says so in the man page.
11:35<marcello42>petn-randall I did use standard settings and it set it to 1K
11:36<marcello42>petn-randall, at least blockdev --getbsz gave 1024 as a result
11:36<imMute>marcello42: for a *raw* flash device. not stuff like SSDs or USB flash drives.
11:37<imMute>marcello42: this is usually only seen in embedded devices, btw.
11:37<petn-randall>marcello42: does smartctl show the same?
11:37<marcello42>right also like roms I assume imMute
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11:38<marcello42>petn-randall, which flag do I have to set?
11:38<imMute>marcello42: probably. I've not dealt with ROMs before, from what I can tell flash is cheap enough nobody uses ROM anymore.
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11:38<marcello42>imMute, I guess they are still used for adruino (or how you spell it)
11:39<imMute>marcello42: I've never seen a ROM associated with an arduino project...
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11:40<marcello42>I saw a couple of videos where they used PICs and needed to write to the components with a special device I guess it was ROM but perhaps I am wrong and it was flash
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11:42<imMute>if you can write to it, it's not a ROM. ROM == Read Only Memory. and neither PICs nor Arduinos can run linux, so it's a moot point anyway.
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11:43<marcello42>anyway you are right! Thanks for the info about bad blocks. So the article I read was a bit wrong. imMute
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11:49<scorpion2185[m]>Sqrt{not}: I added -t voc . it doesn't even start with this file . `aplay: voc_play:2474: unknown blocktype 9. terminate.` what's VU?
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11:58<wyre_>hi guys, why -regex doesn't match the .deb packages? 🤔 http://ix.io/3C96
11:58<wyre_>I'm using apparently the right regex
11:58<wyre_>it should match them 🤔
11:58<Sqrt{not}>scorpion2185[m], I thought you said "I download a voc" -- maybe I misunderstood. If you are still talking about aplay, it has an option "--vumeter=TYPE"
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12:02<imMute>wyre_: first throught is that -regex and -iname are not the same thing. and I think -iname/-name takes a regex anyway
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12:06<Tj>iname/-name only use * ? []
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12:06<Tj>(uses fnmatch() library function)
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12:19<Tj>wyre_: the -regex matches the entire path, not just the filename part. so you'd need " find ./ -regex ".*rs485.*\.deb" "
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12:52<INFINITY>hola
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12:55<Sqrt{not}>hi INFINITY
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12:56<mendel_munkis>I have a logfile which has ~15G of 3 repeated lines of extra verbose output. having lowered the verboseness is there any way to remove those particular lines without losing the rest of the log? (there is far to little free space for sed -i /x/d).
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12:58<FLD>one alternative is to compress the log file
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13:07<eugenmayer>mendel_munkis, cat + grep inverse .. that's about as fast as you can get it
13:07<mendel_munkis>same space problem. but thanks
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13:10<jarl>Hey folks! I've got a question related to contributing to a specific Debian package, and how to go about it/who to contact/etc. The short of it is that we use FreeIPA at work, and I noticed this weekend that it had not been included in Bullseye. I'd like to try and assist in getting it back into Bookworm, and hopefully backported to Bullseye as well. Is it just as simple as emailing the maintainer and offering a hand?
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13:12<imMute>jarl: definitely start with emailing the maintainer
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13:13<jarl>imMute: Thanks :) I'll do that first thing tomorrow
13:13<sney>jarl: it looks like the main problem(s) are being discussed in #970880 with the most recent post 5 days ago
13:13<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/970880 in freeipa-server (open): «freeipa-server: FreeIPA server installation fails with Certificate issuance failed (CA_REJECTED)»; severity: serious; opened: 2020-09-24; last modified: 2021-02-04.
13:14<jarl>Is there anything I should make sure to read up on beforehand?
13:14<sney>if you want to contribute, the best bet would be to help get that bug closed
13:14<jarl>sney: Yeah, I've been following that issue, and it appears to have been resolved based on what I've read (and tested myself)
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13:15<sney>oh? well, in that case, yeah, just email the maintainer
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13:16<eugenmayer>mendel_munkis if you cannot use an USB stick or copy it on a different disk you are free to wast 2 hourse finding a onliner, mounting a ramdisk or whatever (if that make sense for you)
13:16<jarl>I did see a bunch of various lintian issues + other actions needed, so I wasn't sure if there was anything I was missing
13:17<mendel_munkis>I'm going to go with the hope that nothing else in there is very important.
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13:33<kop>!ask
13:33<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:45<spawacz>Is there a debian image paste website?
13:45<spawacz>like one for text?
13:45<petn-randall>!paste
13:45<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>.
13:46<petn-randall>spawacz: Try one of those sites. ^^^
13:46<spawacz>https://ibb.co/tLdvCC2
13:47<spawacz>Okay so that's debian netinst on rockpro64
13:47<spawacz>How can i fix the display issue? The initial boot and console output it prefect
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13:47<spawacz>only the part with blue squares, borders etc is messy and unreadable
13:47<spawacz>i have no experience in that, it's the first time I'm using serial pins
13:48*Otter uses cereal puns
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13:51<petn-randall>spawacz: That's on a rockpro64 with serial output? You might need to set up the client correctly that's reading out the pins; I'm guessing that there's a chapter somewhere in the install guide.
13:51<petn-randall>spawacz: The "perfect" part is the video output of the device itself?
13:51<spawacz>no, the perfect part is the boot menu and shell
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13:52<spawacz>everything that involves drawing the borders msses the display
13:52<spawacz>the curses menu only sucks
13:54<scorpion2185[m]>Sqrt{not}: yes I was talking about aplay, I download a .voc to try aplay , beside wav there are some rare file supported. But it doesn't even start, while with unsupported files it starts but play them VERY badly
13:54<scorpion2185[m]>So --vumeter=TYPE doesn't make any difference
13:54<spawacz>to my eye it seems like the installer is incorrectly reading the dimensions of the screen?
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13:56<petn-randall>scorpion2185[m]: What are you trying to achieve? I don't think aplay supports .voc files.
13:57<petn-randall>scorpion2185[m]: You can likely use vlc to play those files.
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13:59<scorpion2185[m]>aplay does support voc `-t, --file-type TYPE 
 File type (voc, wav, raw or au)` or at least claims that.
13:59<scorpion2185[m]>It's for a script that plays a sound, I download a voc just to test for curiosity I don't think that anyone has some voc file. I can use anyway mpv to play that voc.
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14:03<scorpion2185[m]>*downloaded
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14:06<scorpion2185[m]>I used `xset dpms 7200 7200 7200` but monitor turns off after 10 minutes
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14:08<scorpion2185[m]>must be screensaver
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14:09<somiaj>there are also other things that can blank your screen. What DE do you use?
14:10<scorpion2185[m]>Openbox
14:11<somiaj>also xset dpms 7200 7200 7200 doesn't do anything, xset [dpms standby [ suspend [ off]]] [dpms force {standby|suspend|off|on}]
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14:12<scorpion2185[m]>It changed this: `xset q DPMS (Energy Star): Standby: 7200 Suspend: 7200 Off: 7200`
14:13<somiaj>scorpion2185[m]: Try to be a bit more clear what commands you actually ran, what you typed there is also not a valid command, but `xset q` gave me this info is
14:13<somiaj>note dpms and screen blanking are two different things, so you need to configure both if you want to change the default 600 timeout
14:15<somiaj>I don't know if openbox contains screen blanking/locking tools you may have to also configure
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14:16<scorpion2185[m]>it works on my system I checked again now, and I ran `xset s off` for screensaver no
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14:17<scorpion2185[m]>*now
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14:24<Sqrt{not}>scorpion2185[m], if you typed literally " --vumeter=TYPE" without reading the man page to see what are legal values of "TYPE", you will not get any benefit from that.
14:25<scorpion2185[m]>I used mono and stereo but the voc doesn't even start
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14:26<Sqrt{not}>OK, my suggestion for --vumeter was because I thought your complaint was a file that played but was very distorted. I am not keeping up apparently ;)
14:27<scorpion2185[m]>right I also tried another file but since it's not supported it doesn't work, wav works fine
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14:28<Sqrt{not}>OK good, glad to hear you got it fixed.
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15:30<little_debbie>I have a question about an issue I am having with the latest buster update -- 5.10.63-v7+
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15:31<little_debbie>can someone help - it pertains to being unable to read/write /sys/class/leds/led0/brightness -- something has changed since the previous build
15:31<little_debbie>for led1, everything is working OK, but for led0, I can echo out a value and the LED turns on/off, but the value in brightness does not update after the echo command
15:32<little_debbie>prior to the latest kernel update a few days ago, led0 was working properly
15:33<little_debbie>I am running Raspian 10/buster on a pi 3B
15:33<cambrian_invader>bisect?
15:33<little_debbie>can someone help?
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15:34<little_debbie>echo 1 (or 0) > /sys/class/leds/led1/brightness and cat /sys/class/leds/led1/brightness work fine
15:35<little_debbie>echo 1 > /sys/class/leds/led0/brightness turns on teh LED but does not update the brightness value (or only intermittently updates it)
15:35<little_debbie>echo 0 > /sys/class/leds/led0/brightness turns off the LED, but does not update the brightness value (or only intermittently updates it)
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15:35<imMute>little_debbie: why would the brightness value change other than when you write to the file?
15:36<little_debbie>it wouldn't - i have set both triggers to none
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15:37<little_debbie>(or it shouldn't) -- and it was working fine before the latest kernel update that seems to have moved these files to /sys/devices/platform/leds/leds/led0/1
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15:37<little_debbie>to clarify: cat /sys/class/leds/led0/trigger = [none]
15:38<little_debbie>and cat /sys/class/leds/led1/trigger = [none]\
15:38<little_debbie>also -- led1 works fine and led0 doesn't
15:38<imMute>IIRC trigger none just means it's manually controlled (rather than automatically controlled by like disk or network or cpu activity)
15:38<little_debbie>and, as far as I can tell, everything is the same for both leds in terms of permissions, etc.
15:39<little_debbie>imMute - correct. I am controlling it manually and the brightness value is not updating but the LED is turning on and off
15:39<imMute>so you echo into the file and the LED responds, but when you cat the file, the wrong value comes out?
15:39<little_debbie>and since it is set to none, the OS should not be interfering
15:39<little_debbie>imMute - yes correct
15:40<Tj>little_debbie: isn't that kernel build by the RasPi team ? have you checked the RasPi issue tracker?
15:40<little_debbie>led0/brightness is not storing/reading the value correctly (intermittently)
15:40<little_debbie>I have not check their issue tracker - just checking here to see if I am missing something grossly obvious
15:41<little_debbie>led1/brightness is setting/storing/readikng properly
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15:42<little_debbie>I guess I can report it as a raspian bug - something is definitely screwy - and it has happened since the directory move of the leds in the latest release
15:42<little_debbie>I have also tried using tee instead of echo and that doesn't really change or affect the problem
15:43<imMute>little_debbie: sysfs is riddled with symlinks, it's unlikely that something "moved"
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15:43<little_debbie>I also tried flushing the output - that didn't help
15:43<imMute>little_debbie: /sys/class/leds/led0 was likely a symlink the whole time.
15:43<imMute>just writing to the file is enough due to how sysfs works
15:43<little_debbie>from my testing in the previous version, I think it wasn't symlinked, but I could be mistaken
15:44<little_debbie>hmm...well...something is definitely intercepting the write because the light turns on/off, but then doesn't read/write the file
15:44<imMute>AFAIK, /sys/class should *only* be symlinks to the real device locations (well and maybe a layer or two of directories for organization)
15:44<little_debbie>OK - gotcha
15:45<imMute>definitely report it to the RasPi team, Debian itself wouldn't have made any such changes. (It might be an upstream bug in the kernel though)
15:45<little_debbie>OK - I will report to Raspian - I think it is a bug based on the different behavior between led0 and led1 and the fact the led1 is working OK
15:46<imMute>it could very well be that the two LEDs are controlled in completely different ways
15:46<little_debbie>one is obviously controlled by aliens
15:46<little_debbie>unless I'm the alien. hmmm...
15:47<little_debbie>maybe I am symlinked to an alien ^_^ anyway -thanks for the help!
15:47<little_debbie>appreciate it
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16:52<spawacz>is it legal to boot from netboot sdcard and install real debian on the same card via installer?
16:52<spawacz>or that's gonna blow up?
16:52<spawacz>cause i did that with rockpro64 and it refused to boot.. but the partitions were mountable and i could chrrot inside them
16:52<somiaj>Try it out and let us know, but I do think since netboot can also work with pxe boot, everything should be in memeory once you boot
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16:56<somiaj>is this on an arm system? Those might require some voodoo to make them boot, I think that is one reason many use images to start with.
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16:59<spawacz>yeah arm
16:59<spawacz>i found some 5GB image of debian stretch from 2019 and it booted too
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17:00<spawacz>but my one after netinst does not, and the error is just generic
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17:00<redbrass>Anyone familiar with the "expect" command? I have a script that runs fine, but exits with some garbage characters I'd like to get rid of.
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17:00<somiaj>spawacz: https://raspi.debian.net/ have you tried those? Or is this not a pi and thus those won't work?
17:01<spawacz>it's rockpro64, different board
17:01<somiaj>can you pxe boot it just to be safe with the netboot image?
17:02<spawacz>i dont know what pxe boot is
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17:02<somiaj>booting over a network
17:03<redbrass>spawacz: pxe boot is used when you have a device that may not have storage - so you boot to your os via the network (usually a TFTP setup, though my knowledge here is dated)
17:03<spawacz>i need to go sleep, i spent like 8 hours on it today
17:03<spawacz>i will read on that
17:03<spawacz>there is a slight chance that i messed the installation because the serial was dropping letters
17:04<spawacz>anyways
17:04<spawacz>thanks
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17:05<imMute>spawacz: https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/ROCKPro64#Booting_from_USB_or_PXE
17:05<spawacz>yeah i saw that
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17:11<spawacz>okay it blinked and stayed white
17:11<spawacz>maybe i'll go sleep 30 min later today
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18:30<feiqu>I'm wondering why the package "torbrowser-launcher" is part of contrib rather than free, I can't see any non-free packages as dependencies of it. Is it because it requires downloading the actual browser from a third party source?
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18:37<amacater_>It's free software that needs non-free software to work - so sometimes, yes, launchers/downloaders that "get" non-free software have to go into contrib
18:37<jmcnaught>https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#the-contrib-archive-area
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18:43<feiqu>But what does it make different from vanilla Firefox browser, which makes it requiring non-free software?
18:44<bremner>it does what now?
18:48<somiaj>feiqu: changelogs are useful, /usr/share/doc/torbrowser-launcher/changelog.Debian.gz, it mentioned it was moved to contrib due to this bug. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=751366
18:48<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/751366 in torbrowser-launcher (closed): «torbrowser-launcher: should be in contrib archive area (not main)»; severity: serious; opened: 2014-06-12; last modified: 2014-08-04.
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18:49<somiaj>contrib may depend on non-free software, or just provide stuff debian can't or doesn't distribute, in this case it just appears that since debian doesn't distribute the executable, it cannot be in main due to policy.
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18:55<somiaj>feiqu: I think the logic here is that since debian doesn't distribute this executable, debian has no way to verify if it is DFSG and control it to ensure it stays DFSG free.
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18:57<feiqu>somiaj: Thanks, that makes sense and I also found it mentoined in the copyright file: "contrib package because it's just a downloader of prebuilt Tor Browser Bundle". Should have looked for that file first, sorry!
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19:28<twb>it's in contrib for the same reason that "download flash" and "download DVD cracking library" are
19:29<twb>The script that does downloading is DFSG (hence not non-free), but the stuff it downloads could be shady af (hence not main)
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19:57<twb>OK so "apt install libnss-ldapd" didn't update nsswitch.conf in Debian 11. It used to in Debian 9. What changed?
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19:58<twb>Hrm, there's a debconf option...
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21:12<shadowpho>hello quick question! I think I hosed my installation of debian accidently
21:12<shadowpho>I need to remove python3.7, but it requires awk
21:12<shadowpho>how can I temporarily install awk?
21:12<twb>shadowpho: that sounds a bit confused
21:13<twb>shadowpho: why are you trying to remove python?
21:13<shadowpho>because I want to upgrade my system :)
21:13<shadowpho>so I ran dist-upgrade which wants to install python 3.9 and remove 3.7
21:13<shadowpho>but apparently removing 3.7 requires awk
21:13<shadowpho>pastebin here: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/c4dcc9f7/
21:14<shadowpho>line 60 is the actual error
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21:14<twb>30 Recommended packages: 31 apt
21:14<twb>...your system doesn't have apt installed?
21:14<shadowpho>umm
21:14<shadowpho>weird it definitely does
21:14<twb>shadowpho: is this Debian, or Raspbian?
21:14<shadowpho>sudo apt apt 1.8.2.3 (armhf)
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21:15<shadowpho>Raspbian, apologies if maybe this isn't the right channel then?
21:15<twb>!raspbian
21:15<dpkg>Raspberry Pi OS (previously called Raspbian) is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.libera.chat for support. https://www.raspbian.org/
21:15<shadowpho>thank you I'll go check it out then
21:16<twb>You probably want to "apt install awk", or if that's not possible, find and "dpkg --install awk_xxx_xxx.deb"
21:16<twb>shadowpho: beyond that hint, talk to #r* channels
21:16<shadowpho>apt install awk does not work, complains that the whole system is fubar :)
21:16<shadowpho>gotcha
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21:18<sarnold>there's probably no awk package, there's probably a gawk and a mawk available. probably gawk is the more linuxy choice.
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21:24<twb>sarnold: one of those two is Essential: yes iirc
21:24<twb>Priority: required
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21:24<sarnold>twb: that'd make sense
21:25<sarnold>ah, it's mawk on my system, dunno if that's carried over from debian or not
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21:41<leoni>When did Xfce switch to GTK 3?
21:42<twb>leoni: Debian 10 -> 11
21:42<leoni>Is it possible for me to share an image through here? Through Imgur that is.
21:42<twb>knock yourself out
21:45<leoni>https://i.imgur.com/fxQkisC.png
21:45<leoni>Has anybody noticed this misalignment of things?
21:46<leoni>I know it's silly to feel bothered by this, but Greybird theme is the only GTK theme I can use that doesn't feel broken.
21:46<leoni>And Bluebird.
21:46<leoni>btw this didn't happen pre-Debian 11.
21:46<leoni>The top left image being Greybird.
21:49<twb>I've stopped caring, since GTK4 won't support themes at all
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21:49<twb>(And AFAICT gtk3's theme support is pretty derp)
21:50<leoni>Huh
21:51<leoni>That's... interesting.
21:51<leoni>I wasn't even aware of GTK 4.
21:52<somiaj>no themes for gtk4? So you can't change the colors at all, or is there just some other method to change basic colors/look?
21:52<leoni>I don't know, I don't think that's entirely true, right?
21:52<somiaj>not that I care that much, I just use defaults anyways
21:53<somiaj>google seems to say, GTK4 has proper themeing support via CSS.
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21:54<leoni>Can I make an off-topic question? Why is there a need for a variety of GUI kits?
21:55<somiaj>leoni: often a combination of history and taste.
21:55<leoni>Alright, so I guess it's about functionality and preferences.
21:55<sarnold>some people thought this looked a bit bland.. http://www.xwinman.org/screenshots/twm-system.gif
21:55<leoni>Huh
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21:55<sarnold>so they jazzed it up by adding a 3d version .. http://www.xwinman.org/screenshots/wm2-default.gif
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21:56<leoni>Oh wow.
21:56<somiaj>Use to be each wm kinda created their own thing using xlib directly, but this required lots of different code changes. Motiff and Tk were some of the original
21:56<sarnold>the King of gui toolkits, motif, was much sharper http://www.xwinman.org/screenshots/mwm-jmrutt.jpg but was distributed under a non-free license, so the lesstif project was formed to make something that was similar..
21:57<somiaj>but due to looks/features/what people thought they should do others were made. qt being non-free at the start was a big drawback and I think allowed gtk to gain lots of ground
21:57<somiaj>yea, lots of the original ones were non-free
21:57<leoni>That looked sooo robust.
21:57<leoni>I kinda like it.
21:58<somiaj>nowdays, it is just what people like so some softawre is built using this library, others using this library, so people who want to run both pieces of software ahve both
21:58<sarnold>leoni: every few months I look through the screenshots on http://www.xwinman.org/
21:58<somiaj>though with gnome you can mostly stick with gtk and kde mostly with qt, unless you want apps that use the other. I think the biggest issue with fully qt is lots of de indepdnent things like firefox use gtk
21:58<mason>https://tkdocs.com/ is still kicking
21:58<sarnold>once upon a time to find something new and fresh, now to reminisce. heh.
22:00<leoni>Thanks for that link mason.
22:00<mason>sure
22:00<leoni>I might take a deeper look at it.
22:00<mason>It's worthwhile. Good multi-language toolkit.
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23:03<Karatorian>So I updated my system (I'm running sid) and now I can't use 5GHz channels in hostapd anymore. Before it worked fine.
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23:03<Karatorian>'iw list' has the NO-IR flag on all the 5GHz channels.
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23:13<twb>Karatorian: do you set a country
23:13<twb>Karatorian: also sid belongs in #debian-next
23:14<Karatorian>Yes I set a country. I will ask in #debian-next
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23:27<sodo>https://imgur.com/DD9s7xL.png
23:27<sodo>what's the problem here?
23:27<sodo>i can't shrink minimum partition size is too big
23:29<sodo>https://imgur.com/mVGL4Fo.png
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