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00:01<demo>debian-offtopic saludos desde Cuba.
00:03<Sqrt{not}>Rick_sysop, when you tried the update from USB drive, how did you write the USB?
00:03<demo>debian-offtopic conociendo MX Linux.
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00:04<dpkg>MX Linux is a popular distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported in #debian. Support is available on their forum: https://forum.mxlinux.org/. It is related to <antix>. If you are new to linux, or want a distro with IRC support, try Debian instead: https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian
00:04<Sqrt{not}>!es
00:04<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat. - https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/
00:04<Rick_sysop>Sqrt{not}: Please see attached pictures in this link https://zentalk.asus.com/en/discussion/54063/asus-eeepc-1000he/p1?new=1&fbclid=IwAR2983ODEiU7FPLAl-9iictO2IjVj5i3r0k3y8tJyJ_KBYIOwsANethGZfc
00:04<Rick_sysop>Sqrt{not}: i used Win 7 Ultimate to format USB pen drive as FAT partition and just downloaded saved the 1104.ROM File to Root of pen drive
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00:05<Rick_sysop>The file is beeing found ... the USB aswell, problem is that it does not Complete reading file in order to chronological order proceed erase and write it .
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00:06<Rick_sysop>It just stays like that for hour and hour and hour. Tried different USB pen drives.. i tried 0607 ROM File aswell.. (because i thought mayibe i need to Flash Version from version, chronological order - not jump upwards in hiearchy 3-4 version)
00:06<demo>join #debian-es gracias
00:07<Rick_sysop>Sqrt{not}: i'm wondering, can i from within Debian forcefully flash the .ROM file. and if so, is my only choice flashrom ?
00:07<Rick_sysop>Flashrom -L gives me a full list.. unfortunatly only EEePC 700 is present, and the word "BAD" meaning, flashrom doesn't explicit support 1000HE.
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00:11<Rick_sysop>Sqrt{not}: Do you have any idea, how i can resolve this, or how i can from within Debian force flash write 1104.ROM? Do you perhaps know if this can be achived through FreeDOS (AFUDOS) ?
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00:14<Sqrt{not}>Rick_sysop, no, sorry, I don't know other method to force the update.
00:14<Sqrt{not}>Rick_sysop, so, you wrote the BIOS update file to the pendrive from windows7, not from linux?
00:14<Rick_sysop>Sqrt{not}: i tried both, doesn't matter
00:15<Rick_sysop>There's a Bug on this mainboard .. or ASUS did deliberetly do this because of "Old consumption" Like they want force ppl buy new hardware.
00:15<Rick_sysop>Sqrt{not}: besides reading AsUS guideline regarding EZ Flash utillity (ALT F2) And besides reading Debian Wiki ( Works on Windows OS)
00:17<bnw>Hi, is there a way to dynamically decide the URL of the repo used by apt-* ? Either by specifying a .list file when running apt-* or something like using -o "Dir::Etc::sourcelist mirror1.list" ?
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00:19<bnw>The goal is to minimize network interruption in a CI pipeline.
00:19<Sqrt{not}>Rick_sysop, I don't know what else to suggest, looks like you are trying the right things. it looks like the bios update tries to read your file, but doesn't finish.
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00:20<Rick_sysop>Sqrt{not}: exactly like that.. exactly like that could'nt say it better...
00:20<Rick_sysop>Sqrt{not}: EZ Flash Utillity (ALT + F2 during post) Detects USB ---> Reads file ... But never never completes the reading, because of this it does not proceed Erase n'or Writing ....
00:21<Rick_sysop>Because of this, im deserted and running 0605 Unfortunatly.. The fortunate part is Debian 10 works fine.. OS is nothing wrong. I just want to Update the BIOS really that's all.
00:21<Rick_sysop>Debian Wiki says "1000HE only available with windows OS: Successfully updated bios with 1000HE.ROM revision 1002, solved acpi issue reading temperature with linux 2.6.32
00:22<Rick_sysop>I'm wondering... what type of Windows OS... are they meaning Windows 7 X86 --- With Ez Flash utillity V3 (because this didn't work at all, not at all) due to System Requirements is W10 atleast... and this machine CPU is Intel Atom no way im going Windows.
00:22<Sqrt{not}>yah, I saw that -- i guessed they meant that the 1000HE originally is sold only with windows, but maybe not.
00:23<Rick_sysop>Sqrt{not}: it's so confusing really, "Works with Windows OS" ... - Then how come dmidecode can detect BIOS is upgradable. ? How come, Flashrom -L give me a brief list ... Unfortunatly 1000HE is not involved here.
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00:24<Rick_sysop>Sqrt{not}: besides This what i mentioned and what im documenting and told you..
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00:24<Rick_sysop>Sqrt{not}: as a last last resort.. i found this https://github.com/Dertosh/asus-bios-update
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00:25<Sqrt{not}>hmm, dpkg knows another channel here for eeepc:
00:25<Sqrt{not}>!eee
00:25<dpkg>The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. Mailing lists: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net.
00:25<Rick_sysop>The problem with this is that it gives me an error when i'm executing it.. The error, is because of the python script, it expects a value of 2, but result is 1. One moment i will paste the error for you.
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00:26<Sqrt{not}>there are 4 users there
00:27<Rick_sysop>Sqrt{not}: sudo python3.7 ./asus-bios-downloader.py
00:27<Rick_sysop>[sudo] l▒senord f▒r sysop:
00:27<Rick_sysop>Traceback (most recent call last): File "./asus-bios-downloader.py", line 63, in <module>
00:27<Rick_sysop> os.popen('dmidecode -s bios-version').read()[:-1]).split('.')
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00:27<Rick_sysop>Sqrt{not}: sorry for me writing too quickly.
00:27<Sqrt{not}>!paste
00:27<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>.
00:28<Sqrt{not}>Rick_sysop, I am out of ideas, i suggest you try that other channel for eeepc
00:28<Rick_sysop>dpkg: eee!
00:28<dpkg>The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. Mailing lists: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net.
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00:29<somiaj>Rick_sysop: do they provide an .exe to update the bios using a freedos live image?
00:30<Rick_sysop>somiaj: No.. Not at all. they provide a .ROM file Which is the BIOS file... ASUS Legacy Machines have Built in EZ Flash utillity .. to open this during post you need to press ALT + F2
00:31<somiaj>Just checking for alternative ways since the flash utility seems to be having issues.
00:31<Rick_sysop>somiaj: They provide a DOS tool, called "AFUDOS" which i did try using through FreeDOS but it was strange because it required me to insert the 1104.ROM and then use -O as a output save file.. since i didn't find any documentation or guideline for that, i didnÃät proceed in that path.
00:31<Rick_sysop>somiaj: i am thinking like this.. can we re-write the Current Github Python script accordingly?
00:32<Rick_sysop>Or i am thinking like this.. can i help add support for explicit 1000HE to Flashrom?
00:32<Rick_sysop>somiaj: yes the built in Ez Flash utillity seems to have a problem ... i don't know for what reason, Either its BUG in the mainboard.. or ASUS did deliberetly do something to put it out of order.
00:33<Rick_sysop>With your help with all your effort. please help me with this.. i want to make this solid functioning procedure for Debian and explcit 1000HE.
00:34<Rick_sysop>somiaj: For newer machines (Read 2015+) ASUS provide EZ Flash utillity V3 -- ofc is prerequired Windows 10 and of course, it's for UEFI based BIOS'es
00:35<Rick_sysop>and this is .EXE.. but for BIOS Legacy ... it's a totally different story, different procedure. So ask me i disclosure and help me we resolve this togheter and document it for Debian.
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00:36<somiaj>not sure then, I just know I've had decent luck using .exe to flash bios/uefi on machines that I didn't have windows on
00:36<somiaj>with using freedos, I think grml has that as a boot option
00:36<Rick_sysop>somiaj: this is a engineering question. A question on how to Disclosure this and how to proceed resolving it.
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00:38<Rick_sysop>ASUS Software Department. Anyone know how i'll get in contact with them.? besides what i've already done here - https://zentalk.asus.com/en/discussion/54063/asus-eeepc-1000he/p1?new=1
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00:41<jm_>maybe try fixing that python script, looks like it has issues parsing output of dmidecode -s bios-version
00:41<Rick_sysop>jm_: can you help me write python.?
00:42<Rick_sysop>jm_: this is the code for it. the script. https://github.com/Dertosh/asus-bios-update/blob/master/asus-bios-updater.py
00:42<jm_>Rick_sysop: start by running the command manually and see what it says
00:43<fernie>uefi should be able to update it just fine. have seen sometimes firmwares that need to be first updated to certain level before you can update to newer. so maybe try next versio first
00:43<jm_>note that I will have to leave for about 2h pretty soon
00:43<Rick_sysop>jm_: it says 0605
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00:44<Rick_sysop>jm_: https://pastebin.com/Hs82TfPZ
00:44<Rick_sysop>jm_: output from manually run dmidecode . https://pastebin.com/Hs82TfPZ
00:45<Rick_sysop>jm_: I think the problem with the script is that it expects 2 values, but since it only gets one. Therefore it prints error.
00:45<jm_>Rick_sysop: right, and the script apparently expects two values separated with "," - what script does is downloads the latest firmware and unzips it into /boot/EFI, so try that
00:45<Rick_sysop>jm_: GotCha!
00:46<jm_>Rick_sysop: there's an URL in the script, but it requires model name which is the value missing from the output - I suppose you can find the file using some other way
00:46<fernie>so it does nothing more than copy it to fat drive, can be usb or efi part both the same what comes to updating it
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00:47<Rick_sysop>jm_: okay , one problem. i don't have /boot/EFI
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00:47<Rick_sysop>jm_: and this machine is Legacy BIOS... older than 2015 - is manufactured 2009.
00:48<Rick_sysop>jm_: the file that's desired and needed is 1104.ROM
00:48<Rick_sysop>currently it's running 0605.ROM
00:48<jm_>Rick_sysop: ahh then forget about this method - unfortunatelly I have no other ideas if its own updater fails
00:48<Rick_sysop>jm_: can we somehow compile or add this explicit machine to Flashrom.? And if so, how?
00:49<jm_>Rick_sysop: perhaps you can find older BIOS versions and try to update to those first, then to the latest you can find
00:49<Rick_sysop>jm_: IF i run flashrom -L i get a full list.. if i grep EEe i find EEePC 700. (unfortunatly it's labeled Bad) Bad as in bad support..
00:50<Rick_sysop>jm_: i did try this aswell, .. Chronologically jump from 0605 --> 0607 it's the same.. same thing happens. Reading reading reading but never completes reading and because of this it does not proceed with erasing and writing. (This within Ez Flash Utillity ALT + F2 during post)
00:50<jm_>but I really have to go now, sorry
00:51<Rick_sysop>dpkg: eee!
00:51<dpkg>The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. Mailing lists: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net.
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00:51<fernie>if it has ez flash and all, sounds like uefi in bios emulation mode
00:51<fernie>probably broken, restore defaults
00:51<Rick_sysop>fernie: yeah it has Ez Flash utillity pre built, But it does not behave or function as expected.
00:52<Rick_sysop>fernie: okay will try that, Inside BIOS to Restore everything. One moment.
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01:09<sysop_rick>Sqrt{not}: hello again
01:09<sysop_rick>fernie: Hello, sorry for beeing away a moment. i restarted the machine and i was inside BIOS (F2) i did press Load default setup and save.
01:10<sysop_rick>fernie: i will try one more time, to write 1104.ROM to a FAT32 partitioned USB Pen drive.. and then restart the machine (Upon restart press ALT F2 in order to go inside EZ flash utillity)
01:10<sysop_rick>As i told previously as i stated already.. the problem is Jumping .. writing update from 0605 ---> 1104 However i try however i bend and try to disclosure try to forcefully write it, it has not worked out for me.
01:11<sysop_rick>fernie: This is an engineering software department question. (I'm thinking IF someone know python, maybe we can write the script accordingly but the script as mentioned expects 2 values dmidecode, mine is giving 1) flashrom also should be considered IF Possible can we disclosure compile 1000HE for support in flashrom -L ?
01:13<sysop_rick>fernie: is there any way any opportunity to use - remake the Flashrom template explicit for EEePC 700 and re-write it for 1000HE ?
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01:24<sysop_rick>fernie:
01:24<sysop_rick>fernie: https://zentalk.asus.com/en/discussion/54063/asus-eeepc-1000he/p1?new=1
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01:33<sysop_rick>Anyone have any clue?
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01:34<sysop_rick>https://zentalk.asus.com/en/discussion/54063/asus-eeepc-1000he/p1?new=1
01:34<sysop_rick>dpkg: eeepc!
01:34<dpkg>The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. Mailing lists: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net.
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01:37<sysop_rick>asking in channel #debian-eeepc aswell
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01:37<sysop_rick>unfortunatly that channel says in topic .. "EOL" meaning end of product.
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01:47<sysop_rick>fernie: i will at this moment erase my USB pen drive
01:47<sysop_rick>and write the 0607 file to it, hopefully in order to proceed write 1 step up from where i am.. i'm at 0605
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02:20<sysop_rick>Anyone have a clue regarding,
02:20<sysop_rick>https://zentalk.asus.com/en/discussion/54063/asus-eeepc-1000he/p1?new=1
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03:37<SignumFera>Hi All, I am trying to compile Linphone on a Debian 11 however I am getting an ld error about overridden definitions. The compile works fine on Ubuntu 21.04
03:37<SignumFera>https://paste.debian.net/1216087
03:37<SignumFera>Any advice or pointers appreciated
03:41<sysop_rick>I'm having problem flash new BIOS rom file for machine ASUS EEePC 1000HE
03:41<sysop_rick>https://zentalk.asus.com/en/discussion/54063/asus-eeepc-1000he/p1?new=1
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04:49<sysop_rick>Hello i'm having some problems with ASUS EEEPC 1000HE
04:51<marcello42>sysop_rick, what is your problem with your pc?
04:51<grove>!smart questions
04:51<dpkg>Asking the right question can be hard, and effective communication is easier if you give us extra information. https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html has some suggestions. The key points are: tell us what you actually did and what you were trying to achieve, provide the full command and full output in a <pastebin>.
04:51<sysop_rick>marcello42: https://zentalk.asus.com/en/discussion/54063/asus-eeepc-1000he/p1?new=1
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04:52<marcello42>you mind just to tell the question and what happened before the problem occured?
04:53<sysop_rick>marcello42: the problem i have is to Flash BIOS ROM. to latest 1104.ROM explicit for EEEPC 1000HE
04:53<sysop_rick>marcello42: When i format USB pen drive as FAT32 and write 1104.ROM file (does not matter if i use 0607 one or latest 1104 one, it starts detecting the USB pen drive followed by reading the actual file but there .. the problem occur.
04:54<sysop_rick>It does not complete reading the explicit ROM File and therefore does not proceed in the chronological order as expected.
04:54<grove>Have you tried another USB drive?
04:54<sysop_rick>grove: i tried other USB drives, i tried multiple ROM files. no one of them will be written in within EZ Flash Utillity (Upon POST pressing ALT + F2)
04:54<marcello42>usually it is done by downloading the firmware from the manufacture extract it and copy it on a fat32 formated flashdrive, reboot the machine go into bios and look for the option to flash or check the manual about the procdure or 3rdly there is a readme in the archive - never ever power off the machine during flash it might take up to 10 minutes without changing the screen wait for reboot
04:55<sysop_rick>marcello42: No, For newer UEFI machines you have EZ Flash Utillity V3
04:56<sysop_rick>marcello42: but for this since it's legacy hardware upon POST during boot, if you press ALT F2 EZ flash utillity will start -- when that starts it detects USB and starts reading the file.. problem is it never never complete reading that file and therefore does not proceed with chronological order to erase and write
04:56<sysop_rick>marcello42: see Link see attached pictures -- for reference please.
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04:56<sysop_rick>marcello42: do you know HOW i can proceed using FreeDOS combined with AFUDOS from their website?
04:56<marcello42>you mean to boot into freedos?
04:57<sysop_rick>marcello42: boot to FreeDOS can be achived using any Pen Drive and write the FD12Legacy Iso to it. But when inside FreeDOS there is a tool from ASUS called "AFUDOS"
04:57<marcello42>if it is just meant for flashing they often provide the complete ISO which contains a bootable dos
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04:58<sysop_rick>if you run AFUDOS, you have the parameters AFUDOS /I <INPUT-FILE> /O <OUTPUT-FILE> since i didn't find appropriate guideline or reference i didnt go this path yet, but im afraid that it's my last option.
04:58<marcello42>ISOs are not used for flashing, the suffix should be .bin if it is an ISO it is meant for writing to the pen as tools like cat or dd
04:59<sysop_rick>marcello42: yes but in my case the file to flash is called .ROM
04:59<marcello42>yes that sounds appropirate
05:00<sysop_rick>marcello42: okay give me one moment.. will reboot the machine and boot FreeDOS live environment.
05:00<marcello42>kk
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05:01<grove>I have never owned a EEE, and hadn't heard about them for years. From your description my guess would be that whatever the EZ flash utility tries writing to is broken, so you would probably not have anymore luck using other methods. But I guess it can't hurt to try
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05:02<sysop_rick>grove: yeah your'e probably right.. we are talking about a old old machine 2009.
05:02<sysop_rick>grove: but i mean.. the computer itself is working i have Debian 10 running on the hard drive on it.
05:02<sysop_rick>grove: it's just that i don't like the old BIOS on it. 0605 i would prefer to have latest 1104 instead.
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05:08<sysop_rick>grove:
05:09<sysop_rick>grove: afudos /i<ROM FILENAME> [/o<save ROM filename>]
05:09<sysop_rick>grove: do you think there might be a bug on the mainboard for some reason.? that prevent it from writing. Will try AFUDOS in just a minute. one moment.
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05:27<marcello42>perhaps there is a write lock on it?
05:28<marcello42>2009 was a year jumpers still existed
05:29<sysop_rick>marcello42: i have a good positive news.
05:31<sysop_rick>marcello42: https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/247059871_1017492875772983_5412682341884718365_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=zWSU-QIaOJwAX-fbWGl&_nc_ht=scontent-arn2-1.xx&oh=8e6d1c65aa2093c6dc576a0d72c64fac&oe=6195EB01
05:32<sysop_rick>marcello42: i just got this message just now. Am going for FreeDOs - from within FreeDOS 1.2 using i was able to get this, using AFUDOS utillity downloaded and saved to same usb pen drive
05:32<grove>The mainboard wasn't my prime suspect, it was the eeprom/nvram/<whatever was used> that stored the BIOS
05:32<sysop_rick>marcello42: what does "This program must be run in MS-DOS mode" -- Does this mean i need to first install FreeDOS to it's hard drive
05:32<sysop_rick>and then after installation successful i will write the new .ROM?
05:33<sysop_rick>grove: yeah exactly the small EEprom chip in within the actual mainboard.
05:33<grove>That "MS-DOS mode" probably just means that you shouldn't run it from within windows
05:35<grove>sysop_rick: You might argue so, but in this case I think it's meaningful to be specific. A bug on the actual mainboard might affect your Debian running on the machine, a bug in the EEprom probably won't
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05:36<sysop_rick>grove: And i think ( i assume from what i experience and see, that there might be a bug on the EEprom) But this needs to be disclosured before i actually can tell.
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06:22<Litos523>Hello, good afternoon. I have a little problem with Filezilla. If I download it from the official website, version 3.56 allows me to connect to storj sites, because it implements the tardigrade protocol. But if I install it from the repos, the same version 3.56 says that it doesn't know that protocol. Can you give me a hand?
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06:33<Litos523>Anyone alive in the room? :)
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06:34<Nemoder>yes
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06:36<Litos523><Nemoder> Why is no one talking at all?
06:37<Nemoder>It's a support channel, not a chat channel. If nobody is replying then you may have to wait some time for somebody who knows to help
06:38<Nemoder>Litos523: I took a look at the filezilla package and it looks like --enable-storj is disabled by default
06:38<Nemoder>you could rebuild from source and enable that if you need it
06:38<Nemoder>or file a bug report feature request
06:41<Litos523>Thank you. I don't understand why they have disabled that feature when compiling, but it seems easier to go to the official release than to ask the Debian maintainers to modify the package they just created.
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08:08<duf>Hi! Any recommendation on how to mirror data from a directory on existing system to external HDD? (not like backup, but like raid)
08:10<Tech49_>duf, if you want to have an exact copy have a look at the â dd command
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08:11<Tech49_>You could even create a sector by sector exact cooy if you must
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08:17<duf>thanks. do you know if this can be adjusted only as "one time" copy? because I am looking for a continuous copy of all savings on, say directory "Documents". I'll check the man
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08:27<jarl>duf: I'd suggest inotify+rsync as a primitive solution, but it might have issues deconflicting things if you end up with multiple syncs at the same time
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08:29<sep>duf if you want a raid, why not configure one? forinstance with lvm mirror or mdadm ? if it must be file based you can use lsyncd, it basicaly do inotify+rsync but in a easier package
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08:40<EmleyMoor>Is there an IAX softphone in bullseye? If not, how do I get a SIP softphone to work when on a box behind NAT?
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09:48<Sqrt{not}>sysop_rick, (I am just catching up on the scrollback here, but) I see you formatted your USB as FAT32.. But I remember one of those websites you linked earlier, explicitly says it must be formatted FAT16, and NOT FAT32. have you tried following that instruction?
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10:07<Sqrt{not}>sysop_rick, it was this web page from debian wiki https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/UpgradeBIOS which says "Yes, it really does need to be FAT16." and even tells you how to do that in debian.
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11:39<Tj>Is anyone aware of any initramfs-tools add-ins for mounting a separate /etc/ ?
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11:43<Tenkawa>Tj: with a ton of rewrite it might be possible but the better question would be "what would you gain from doing this"
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11:45<Tj>it's already there, or supposed to be
11:45<Tenkawa>Tj: no. its not
11:46<Tj>doesn't need much to do but didn't want to needlessly reinvent the wheel
11:46<Tj>Tenkawa: yes, it is.
11:46<Tenkawa>etc has to be accessible by the root filesystem
11:46<Tj># Always load local and nfs (since these might be needed for /etc or
11:46<Tj># /usr, irrespective of the boot script used to mount the rootfs).
11:46<Tenkawa>yeah... thats not its own fs
11:47<Tenkawa>you cant split it
11:47<Tenkawa>root isnt an initram
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11:47<Tenkawa>and /etc is on /
11:47<Tj>ah well, added it now
11:47<somiaj>Sounds like an XY-problem, what issue are you actually having?
11:48<Tenkawa>somiaj: which you noticed I asked and got no answer to
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11:50<somiaj>Tenkawa: yea, I was trying to state it again, maybe we could figure out the actual issue to provide better support.
11:50<Tenkawa>nod
11:51<twb>There are some related technologies like etcd
11:52<twb>And if systemd is init in the initrd, it can handle such mounts. dracut could do that, initramfs-tools can't.
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11:58<Tenkawa>twb: from what I'm reading in systemd/initrd.. /etc is the exception and cannot be separated
11:59<Tenkawa>there are "no" scenarios listed that it will work in
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12:01<Tenkawa>the bug reports I found were all closed with "were not going to implement due to no reason for it"
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12:02<twb>Tenkawa: you can _in principle_ start with a completely empty /etc
12:02<twb>Normal debian probably can't handle that, though
12:03<Tenkawa>thats my point
12:03<Tenkawa>"as it stands"
12:03<Tenkawa>its non functional
12:03<twb>Well if it's something you care about, you have some problems to work on :-)
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12:04<Tenkawa>and as was stated in some of the reports "a bad idea" tm
12:04<twb>Well, as somiaj hinted, it's a means to an end --- what's the end?
12:04<Tenkawa>haahaa indeed
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12:07<Tj>the actual issue is using a separate /etc/ - that's it
12:08<jkc>The actual issue is WHY?
12:10<Tenkawa>using a seperate /etc also is potential for an added data corruption point too
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12:10<Tenkawa>adding complexity can be dangerous
12:11<twb>Tenkawa: if you don't have a use case then I don't care
12:11<Tenkawa>twb: I'm not asking.. Tj is
12:12<Tenkawa>I think its a bad idea
12:12<jkc>It IS a bad idea.
12:12<Tenkawa>why add complexity where its "not needed"
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12:23<twb>Well anyway. I set up nslcd on Debian 11 the same as I had on Debian 9, and- oh hrm, maybe it's that thing that I suspected but didn't seem to be a problem
12:24<twb>Aha!
12:24<twb>The problem was that /usr/local/share/ca-certificates/com.prisonpc.crt wasn't world-readable
12:25<twb>nslcd was reporting that as "permission denied" rather than "no valid cert found"
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12:28<tertu>okay so how do i figure out what service or whatever is managing wifi under plasma?
12:28<tertu>i'd like to set whatever it is to also start up under i3/sway
12:29<tertu>(honestly it would be nice if it was totally de independent and just started with the machine...)
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12:30<twb>tertu: probably network-manager by default
12:30<twb>tertu: you can move it entirely into systemd-networkd if you don't need different rules (dhcp vs. static) for different SSIDs
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12:32<kop>One would think that this would get fixed in stable: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=996105 I suppose I'll wait and see.
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12:34<twb>tertu: are you interested in that?
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12:34<twb>looking at my notes, it seems I created /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant-wlp1s0.conf then did "systemctl enable --now wpa_supplicant@wlp1s0"
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12:35<twb>Where that .conf contains blocks like network={ ssid="Telstra-DEADBE" psk="ABCDEF1234" }
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12:36<twb>And then just have /etc/systemd/network/upstream.network with [Match] Name=wlp1s0 [Network] DHCP=yes UseDomains=yes
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12:46<Tj>somiaj: I wasn't after support; just any awareness of existing functionality. Added it now. Use-case is hundreds of read-only VM guests all using the same single read-only root-fs block device but using different configurations (/etc/). This is to mirror what we already do with unprivileged OS containers (idempotent single image with tmpfs for runtime state and different /etc/
12:46<Tj>bind-mounted from host)
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13:01<twb>Tj: so yes basically the same use case as etcd
13:01<twb>Tj: i'm 90% sure you can make it work with a tweak somewhere, but I don't know exactly whre or what
13:01<twb>Tj: see live-boot-initramfs-tools package for a similar case
13:02<twb>(That makes all of / a COW overlay, rather than only /var and /etc)
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13:02<twb>You can also run qemu-systemd-x86_64 with the -snapshot option, which makes a cow overlay in /var/tmp on the host system
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13:03<twb>This is possible via libvirt domain.xml passing an option directly to qemu
13:04<twb>/etc/libvirt/qemu/slime.xml- <qemu:commandline><qemu:arg value='-snapshot'/>
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13:05<twb>You can also achieve the same result with chained qcow2 images, such that the original read-only image is a COW ancestor for a separate per-VM stub qcow2
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13:06<Tj>twb: we don't use any of that
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14:32<TehRabbitt>Hey, trying to get persistent static routes working on Debian 10 but it doesn't seem to work when the interface comes up
14:32<TehRabbitt>I'm trying to use: up ip route add 10.10.200.0/24 via 10.10.1.1
14:33<TehRabbitt>but nothing appears when I try to run an ip route after a reboot
14:33<TehRabbitt>(I'm placing this in /etc/network/interfaces under ens192)
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14:37<somiaj>TehRabbitt: care to share your interfaces file to see how you are placing this there?
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14:38<somiaj>though I almost wonder if post-up would better than up for this
14:39<twb>somiaj: good catch
14:39<twb>somiaj: I don't remember if "up" is "pre-up" or "post-up"
14:39<twb>I don't see a "dev $DEV" in there either
14:40<somiaj>the manual page doesn't say much, just 'up command'
14:40<twb>I usually use systemd for this nowadays
14:40<somiaj>I think this is mean for manual settings, so it runs when you bring up manual devices, but post-up is probably better here
14:40<twb>[Route] Destination=203.7.155.128/26
14:40<twb>[Address] Peer=10.194.71.1/32 Address=10.194.71.2/32
14:40<twb>^ like that
14:40<TehRabbitt>somiaj: I would paste it but i'm accesing it through a console screen with no copy paste functionality
14:41<TehRabbitt>somiaj: i've tried post-up and just up
14:41<Tj>TehRabbitt: try adding the rule manually using the exact same command - what happens?
14:41<twb>TehRabbitt: curl '-sSfFf:1=</etc/network/interfaces' ix.io
14:41<TehRabbitt>@Tj it works great when I use the exact same command from the command line
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14:42<somiaj>TehRabbitt: what about running 'ifdown ens192 && ifup ens192' does it work then too? See if this is just an issue with the boot timing
14:42<Tj>TehRabbitt: the via 10.10.1.1 means that address must be reachable to accept that route. Will it be available when that interface is being brought up?
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14:46<TehRabbitt>doing an ifup ens224 just gives me the "File exists" error
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14:46<TehRabbitt>if I do an ip addr I do see the interface up
14:46<TehRabbitt>and it does pass traffic
14:46<TehRabbitt>when I do a ip route, it just doesn't show the routes.
14:48<TehRabbitt>if I try an "ifdown ens224" it responds back that it's nto configured
14:48<somiaj>TehRabbitt: that is why you have to bring down the interface first
14:48<TehRabbitt>even though I do see it configured.
14:48<somiaj>ifdown --force ens224
14:49<TehRabbitt>okay, that worked. let me try bringing it back up now
14:50<TehRabbitt>same deal, the interface comes up, can pass traffic, but the routes don't come up
14:50<TehRabbitt>I can add the routes manually but they aren't persistant
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14:51<TehRabbitt>I used to be able to do this in the interfaces file in Debian 8 / 9 no issue, obviosuly using net-tools
14:51<somiaj>did you change it back to post-up?
14:51<TehRabbitt>somiaj: I did
14:52<somiaj>Unsure what the issue could be, what about Tj comment, could there be an issue with availability at the time the interface is brought up?
14:53<somiaj>It would be nice if you could share the interfaces file, maybe there is something subtle, but you have everything indented correctly? Aren't mixing tabs and spaces?
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14:54<Tj>TehRabbitt: if the route isn't being added there should be a report in the log. "journalctl -u ifup@ens224.service"
14:56<TehRabbitt>"ifup@ens224.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'."
14:56<TehRabbitt>it's the only thing there
14:56<TehRabbitt>but that was also timestamped 2:23:46
14:56<TehRabbitt>it's 2:56 now
14:57<Tj>TehRabbitt: "systemctl restart ifup@ens224.service" then check again
14:57<Tj>TehRabbitt: the fact it failed tells you something :)
14:58<TehRabbitt>Same error :P
14:58<TehRabbitt>"Started ifup for ens224
14:58<TehRabbitt>RTNETLINK answers: File exists
14:58<somiaj>post-up scripts will cause the interface to fail if the script doesn't return a sucessful exit code
14:58<TehRabbitt>ifup:failed to bring up ens224
14:58<somiaj>well in that case, you need to force down the interface just to be safe, most likely what is happening
14:59<TehRabbitt>somiaj: I removed any of hte other routes, just went down to a single route, and let me see if I can get it up on a pastebin or such.
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15:03<TehRabbitt>I was able to get the file. I was using sample IPs before, but this is the actual interfaces file: https://pastebin.com/hq7t3ZgX
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15:04<TehRabbitt>I had to create a temporary route so I could SSH to it to grab it that way but obviously need to remove that route to test ;)
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15:07<somiaj>hmm, can you have multiple post-up lines?
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15:07<somiaj>'each of these options can be given multiple times in a single stanza'
15:07<somiaj>okay, just checking
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15:08<TehRabbitt>somiaj: yeah, this is one of those things that should "just work" but for some reason it doesn't
15:08<somiaj>why are you deleting the route then adding it back?
15:11<TehRabbitt>somiaj: I tried that after searching for a bit myself before hopping on here ;) . Someone had posted an example and that's how they modified theirs for Debian 10
15:11<TehRabbitt>https://www.mybluelinux.com/debian-permanent-static-routes/
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15:13<somiaj>try adding a || true to that first thing, wonder if once one post-up command fails, the whole interface stops not moving forward
15:14<TehRabbitt>somiaj: I think that was it.
15:14<TehRabbitt>I'm rebooting with a 2nd route added to check.
15:14<TehRabbitt>Yep, that's it.
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15:15<TehRabbitt>this is the correct syntax for future reference:
15:15<TehRabbitt> post-up ip route add 10.10.0.0/16 via 10.10.161.254 dev ens224
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15:15<TehRabbitt>you don't need the del, and it does seem to need to be post-up
15:16<somiaj>yea, I suspected the post-up, and you didn't mention that del originally
15:16<somiaj>anyways, I think that del is due to the link you showed, that persons setup has a gateway, so maybe a route was being setup for them they were deleting
15:16<TehRabbitt>yeah, didn't realize the del was part of the issue
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15:16<somiaj>the || true there could make it so it is possible to have that to delete the route if it is sometimes present
15:17<somiaj>but yea, that page using up and deling the route first just seems odd, they may have had some strange setup to require that
15:17<TehRabbitt>That's true, as a way to remove the route and replace it if it did exist
15:17<TehRabbitt>That's my thinking, but they should mention that on their site then lol.
15:17<TehRabbitt>not gonna lie, still getting used to not using net-tools ;)
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15:19<somiaj>also glad the issue was the thing you didn't mention here, because everything else seemed fine
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15:21<TehRabbitt>somiaj: honestly I forgot I had that there lmao. I had only added it after it didnt' work the first time, I was like "well let me try to follow what this person did" and nope. nada.
15:21<TehRabbitt>the post-up was the trick
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15:25<TehRabbitt>thank you for helping me figure that one out
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16:39<guifipedro_>hi, the other day I was looking at the source code of tasksel and its manpage and I could not understand what is the package that triggers the installation of the desktop. I am also interested on seeing how that selection is reflected in popcorn ; mate-desktop works [1] but tried different with xfce with no luck [2] [1] https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=mate-desktop [2] https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=xfce-desktop
16:40<sney>it's the task-*-desktop packages, and task-desktop
16:40<sney>if you look at the Depends field for task-desktop, understanding that | is an OR operator, it's pretty straightforward
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16:42<somiaj>and the main difference between task-foo-desktop and foo-desktop is it will often install various other things not specifically part of the desktop like libreoffice, firefox, etc
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18:43<guifipedro_>thanks sney and somiaj for your answers !!!
18:43<sney>np
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19:43<anon8947>Does the grub version now in Debian support btrfs boot partitions?
19:44<anon8947>Though I suppose that's really only relevant for legacy boot these days.
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20:09<anon8947>Seems that 2.02+ supports it?
20:10<anon8947>Ah, I see. oldstable's version was right in the midst of that being implemented. Guess that's no longer a concern then.
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23:31<twb>themill: remember the other day I was bitching about lack of linux-image-amd64 wrapper package in bullsye-backports?
23:31<twb>Check for expected upgrades... linux-image-amd64/bullseye-backports 5.14.9-2~bpo11+1 amd64 [upgradable from: 5.10.70-1]
23:31<twb>It's here now!
23:31<twb>And my build script's little warning tool warned me
23:32<themill>yes, I noticed it had been accepted through backports NEW too
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