| --- | Log | opened Thu Oct 21 00:00:07 2021 |
| --- | Day | changed Thu Oct 21 2021 |
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| 00:54 | <stephen> | hi guys, I want to install wine on my debian 11, I added "deb https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian/ bullseye main" into sources.list and then I run "sudo apt update", it said that the source cannot be used to update safely, so the source is defaulted, how could I do? |
| 00:56 | <sney> | you need to follow the instructions on https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian to add the key |
| 00:56 | <sney> | either with apt-key or by placing it in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ |
| 00:59 | <stephen> | you mean place the release.key into /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/? |
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| 01:00 | <sney> | yes |
| 01:02 | <stephen> | should I do anything after that? |
| 01:06 | <sney> | 'apt update' after making any change to apt configuration |
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| 01:08 | <stephen> | it still not working |
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| 01:11 | <stephen> | I'll try to reboot the system |
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| 01:12 | <somiaj> | release.key? The instructions say winehq.key, did you grab the wrong key |
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| 01:13 | <sney> | hrm, even winehq.key says it expired in 2020 |
| 01:13 | <twb> | Their .deb might itself patch /etc/apt |
| 01:14 | <twb> | proprietary things often do |
| 01:14 | <somiaj> | hmm, I forget how I set it up here, but I don't have winehq.key in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ but I think I used apt-key which catnated it to /etc/apt/trusted.gpg |
| 01:14 | <sney> | ah, I dearmored it and now it works |
| 01:14 | <sney> | never remember when that's necessary |
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| 01:17 | <stephen> | gosh, that doesn't work :( |
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| 05:25 | <arczi> | hi all _o/ |
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| 05:25 | <gpioneer> | hello, I'm on Bullseye stable, but I just backported the new kernel. Does this install any new backported things that might be unsupported? |
| 05:26 | <gpioneer> | and if I switch back to the older stable kernel (if there is such an option during boot even), is it as if I never backported the kernel in the first place in terms of being "stable"? |
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| 05:30 | <SignumFera> | Hi All, I am trying to compile Linphone on a Debian 11 however I am getting an ld error about overridden definitions. The compile works fine on Ubuntu 21.04 |
| 05:30 | <SignumFera> | https://paste.debian.net/1216225 |
| 05:30 | <SignumFera> | Any advice or pointers appreciated |
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| 05:35 | <jm_> | gpioneer: you backported it yourself or what? |
| 05:36 | <jm_> | if you just installed a kernel from backports then both kernels are still installed and you can select older one at boot |
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| 05:36 | <jm_> | ,kernels |
| 05:36 | <judd> | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.14.0-trunk-686-pae (5.14.3-1~exp1); sid: 5.14.0-1-686 (5.14.6-3); bullseye: 5.10.0-8-686 (5.10.46-5); buster-backports: 5.10.0-0.bpo.8-686 (5.10.46-4~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-17-686-pae (4.19.194-3); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.17-686-pae (4.19.194-3~deb9u1); jessie-backports: |
| 05:36 | <judd> | 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1); bookworm: 5.14.0-1-686 (5.14.6-2); bullseye-backports: 5.10.0-8-686 (5.10.46-5) |
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| 05:39 | <gpioneer> | jm_ nono not myself, just used the current available backport. Although I think judd/bot has outdated info: https://packages.debian.org/bullseye-backports/kernel-image-5.14.0-0.bpo.2-amd64-di |
| 05:40 | <jm_> | gpioneer: right, see above, you're all good if you want to switch back |
| 05:40 | <gpioneer> | i also backported firmware-linux. I'm getting worried this just updated a whole bunch of stuff and I made a mistake and now I have something that might be unstable.. I'm not knowledgable enough to know if just selecting the older kernel would negate all the background stuff the backporting did |
| 05:42 | <jm_> | naah, unlikely to cause any issues, don't worry about it |
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| 05:52 | <gpioneer> | Good to hear, phew! Technically, is this a "frankendabian"? |
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| 05:55 | <jm_> | no |
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| 07:00 | <krumelmonster> | I suddenly get "Permission denied (publickey)." for dropbear-initramfs on a debian buster system. My ssh keys didn't change. There was a power outage because of a storm and I really need to boot this system, what could have gone wrong? |
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| 07:06 | <krumelmonster> | It works with `-i .ssh/id_rsa -o HostKeyAlgorithms=ssh-rsa -o PubkeyAcceptedKeyTypes=ssh-rsa -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no` but will complain that remote host identification has changed which it will not complain without the 'ssh-rsa'-options. I believe something's wrong with cipher negotiation. I will ask in #archlinux as well because I believe this may well be caused by an update to the ssh client on this archlinux-laptop |
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| 07:30 | <dioput12> | Has anyone successfully running debuginfod successfully in stable? |
| 07:30 | <dioput12> | I'm trying to debug `bash`, but unfortunately I can't |
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| 08:02 | <hays> | is there a shortcut to runn apt update && apt upgrade |
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| 08:04 | <tarzeau> | hays: there exist aptitude-robot which runs daily and does it for you that can be configured, as well as cron-apt i think |
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| 08:08 | <hays> | thanks for the suggestions |
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| 08:13 | <han7> | When downloading from repositories deb.d.o and security.d.o does Debian log my IP address and packages that I download? I have read privacy policy on debian.org but it doesn't mention. |
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| 08:22 | <stephen> | Hi guys, there was an error when I tired to install an app using apt, what should I do? |
| 08:22 | <stephen> | Related packages have unsatisfied dependencies: baidunetdisk: Dependency: libappindicator3-1 but unable to install it E: Errors cannot be corrected, because you require a certain amount of life, which breaks the dependencies between their packages. |
| 08:22 | <grove> | !bat |
| 08:22 | <dpkg> | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 08:24 | <sussudio> | ,v baidunetdisk |
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| 08:24 | <judd> | No package named 'baidunetdisk' was found in amd64. |
| 08:24 | <sussudio> | ,v libappindicator3-1 |
| 08:24 | <judd> | Package: libappindicator3-1 on amd64 -- stretch: 0.4.92-4; buster: 0.4.92-7 |
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| 08:26 | <stephen> | should I change another mirror source? |
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| 08:26 | <sussudio> | are you even running debian, stephen |
| 08:26 | <grove> | You should probably ask whoever made the package you're trying to install |
| 08:27 | <stephen> | sussudio: yes I did |
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| 08:27 | <grove> | Then installing that package may quickly lead you to a frankendebian |
| 08:27 | <grove> | !frankendebian |
| 08:27 | <dpkg> | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian and <reinstall> |
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| 08:30 | <grove> | But guessing from the little information you have shared (I - through dpkg - asked you to provide more information), the package you're playing with is not meant for the version of Debian you're running (it would seem it's for Stretch or Buster, a wild guess would say you're on Bullseye) |
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| 08:31 | <stephen> | yes I'm using bullseye |
| 08:31 | <stephen> | that might be the problem |
| 08:32 | <grove> | So that guess was right, that only strengthens my belief that you don't know what you're doing, but you're working towards getting a frankendebian |
| 08:32 | <stephen> | maybe the package just a bit out-of-date |
| 08:35 | <stephen> | OK I'll try not to install apps from random websites as much as possible |
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| 08:44 | <SignumFera> | stephen: I believe what grove is attempting to state is that when asking for support more information is always better. That said, I believe your best course of action is to petition the website where you downloaded the .deb from to build a bullseye package. |
| 08:46 | <stephen> | Oh, thanks, I will |
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| 08:56 | <han7> | I use the full disk encryption option when doing my installations. Decrypting the system (when booting computer) with Buster took about 30 seconds, with bullseye it takes about 5 seconds. Is this normal? it's the same computer with about same used up space on harddrive |
| 08:56 | <marcello42> | hey, I just noticed there is an option for unattended updates. What is the benefit compare doing it with a cronjob? |
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| 08:58 | <grawity> | han7: different KDF – previously cryptsetup/LUKS used PBKDF2, which relied on heavy CPU usage to be secure; nowadays it prefers Argon2 which instead relies on RAM |
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| 09:00 | <han7> | thank you grawity |
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| 09:12 | <grove> | marcello42: cron is old, but compared to systemd timers, I guess the advantage of unattended-upgrades is that it might handle a lot of "corner" cases your own solution doesn't (because you hadn't thought of them) |
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| 09:15 | <marcello42> | grove, I see thanks |
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| 09:16 | <marcello42> | but doesn't cronie for instance is dependent on the systemd triggers/timers? |
| 09:16 | <marcello42> | isn't |
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| 09:19 | <han7> | is auth.log in /var/log/ or similar log files ever going to reveal passwords? |
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| 09:39 | <grove> | marcello42: I have no idea, I'm not an expert, still trying to get used to setting up timers instead of cronjobs. And still missing a good replacement for the good old `at` |
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| 10:18 | <SignumFera> | Hi All, I am trying to compile Linphone on a Debian 11 however I am getting an ld error about overridden definitions. The compile works fine on Ubuntu 21.04 |
| 10:18 | <SignumFera> | https://paste.debian.net/1216225 |
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| 10:23 | <pxe> | hello, I can boot just fine a bullseye live iso over pxe/tftp+nfs (fwiw I used the unofficial one, firmware amd64 xfce) |
| 10:25 | <pxe> | is there any way I could do the same with a netinst or a dvd1 iso ? do I fail just because they don't provide nfsboot support ? |
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| 10:28 | <pxe> | my goal is "only" to preseed, ideally over the official dvd iso, entirely offline (or with very low bandwidth) and without usb media |
| 10:29 | <pxe> | aka "preseeding in a sneakernet" |
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| 10:30 | <zoke> | pxe: I guess you could mount the dvd-iso and make the package repository on the iso available over http/ftp and use that as the "mirror" for a netinstall |
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| 10:31 | <zoke> | but I wouldn't use the netinstall iso over pxe... I would just grab the kernel and initrd from the netinstall and use them for the pxe boot |
| 10:33 | <pxe> | zoke: in that case, wouldn't those from debian-install-netboot package do just the same ? |
| 10:33 | <zoke> | pxe: if you're reffering to kernel and initrd. I guess so... I've always snagged those directly from the repos |
| 10:35 | <pxe> | I am hoping not to need yet another service on the installer laptop (on top og tftp which is slow, and nfs needed for live iso) |
| 10:36 | <pxe> | and if I go the local http or ftp route, will I also have to discard errors cf. unsigned repo ? |
| 10:37 | <zoke> | I currently host the kernel + initrd on http and only use tftp for the pxe-conf |
| 10:38 | <zoke> | that ended up way faster in my case |
| 10:38 | <zoke> | using unsigned repos is iirc just a single line in the preseed |
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| 10:40 | <zoke> | but the repo on the ddv should be signed (hopefully) |
| 10:40 | <zoke> | s/ddv/dvd/ |
| 10:42 | <pxe> | iirc it was not ( and isn't necessary since one should verify iso signatures, as a whole ), but I'll look into it |
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| 10:44 | <pxe> | zoke: I can see a Release file, unsigned AFAICT |
| 10:45 | <zoke> | pxe: probably right... but iirc it's a single line in the preseed to allow unsigned repos |
| 10:47 | <pxe> | yes, but then it rules out any updates and extra preseeded packages from official repos during installation (or they'd get blindly accepted), right? which using an install media does permit |
| 10:48 | <pxe> | is that not possible to serve the entire thing just like an installation media, but from a pxe boot, thus still allowing small extra bits from signed mittors? |
| 10:48 | <zoke> | the netinstall iso? |
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| 10:49 | <zoke> | I would (and have) set up a local apt mirror and then use that for all local systems |
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| 10:50 | <zoke> | and use the kernel + initrd for pxe-boot |
| 10:50 | <zoke> | no iso-files needed |
| 10:50 | <pxe> | (sorry, I'm lagging) yes, or even better the dvd1 iso, but over pxe. Plus preseeding as desired.. |
| 10:52 | <pxe> | right, so that would mean a local http mirror on a laptop, also unsigned then -- and can I avoid duplication with the iso contents; i.e. overlay it in some sort? |
| 10:53 | <zoke> | if you do an apt-mirror it should/will have the signed Release files |
| 10:53 | <pxe> | oh ok, never gone that route yet, thanks |
| 10:54 | <zoke> | if you go that route you won't need the isos |
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| 10:55 | <pxe> | yes I still need them, for those clients that can't pxe at all, or fail to, etc. |
| 10:56 | <zoke> | if they can't pxe boot you can use the netinstall iso on usb/dvd/cd and still point them to use the apt-mirror |
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| 10:59 | <pxe> | yes, thus I still need to carry and maintain iso :) but maybe a netinst+firmware could suffice for those |
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| 10:59 | <pxe> | but anyway, since I can boot a live over pxe+nfsboot, can't I use this also as a basis for a classic installer with preseeding? |
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| 11:02 | <zoke> | don't see why not... but I've never used any other iso than the netinstall |
| 11:02 | <zoke> | so can't really help with that |
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| 11:02 | <pxe> | i.e mixing the nfs-enabled kernel from live with the body of the dvd1 iso? :) |
| 11:03 | <pxe> | zoke: thanks for the time you took to answer me |
| 11:03 | <zoke> | pxe: np |
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| 11:04 | <pxe> | I read a lot, I'm afraid this is an area where our docs and wiki need much love, especially PXE and even NFS |
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| 11:07 | <pxe> | by the way, until I disabled NFSv4, I could mount vers=3 from a stock kernel, but not from the live ISO, does it make any sense? |
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| 11:08 | <pxe> | (from its initramfs, I mean) |
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| 11:22 | <han7> | When downloading from repositories deb.d.o and security.d.o does Debian log/store my IP address and packages that I download? I have read privacy policy on debian.org but it doesn't mention. |
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| 11:25 | <bremner> | han7: there is a an onion server if that's your concern. |
| 11:25 | <jarl> | I would be surprised if they didn't log your IP address |
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| 11:26 | <tarzeau> | did you know there's https://wiki.debian.org/DebianPrivacy ? |
| 11:26 | <tertu> | i would prefer having different rules for different ssids if possible, given that is sometimes useful |
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| 11:30 | <han7> | jarl: agree. is it connected to packages I download? |
| 11:30 | <jarl> | That information would be easy to correlate, provided the webserver's log settings aren't customized a lot |
| 11:30 | <han7> | bremner: yeah. Do you know if I can use tor browser instead of regular tor to connect? |
| 11:31 | <han7> | tarzeau: no, I will read now. thank you |
| 11:33 | <han7> | jarl: yes it would but they dont have to store if they dont want to. my question is whether they do |
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| 11:41 | <bremner> | han7: I just know there's a list of urls at onion.debian.org |
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| 11:52 | <han7> | bremner: yes, and instructions how to connect is here: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList but if debian say they dont store what packages I download ther is no reason to :I would not mistrust debian, hence my question if they do or not |
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| 11:52 | <bremner> | han7: deb.debian.org uses a fastly CDN, so it's somewhat out of Debian's control what gets logged |
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| 11:56 | <han7> | bremner: i see. thank you for your help :) |
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| 12:00 | <pxe> | hmm, lost connexion sorry if anyone tried to answer me |
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| 12:01 | <pxe> | oh, and I read someone was asking about Tor, but I lost the backlog too -- I could answer some of it thou :) |
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| 12:02 | <Tj> | is there a way to pass multiple packages in one call to reprepro? e.g. reprepro ... includedeb codename 1.deb includedeb codename 2.deb includedeb codename 3.deb ... |
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| 12:13 | <han7> | pxe: it wasnt my primary question, bremner answered that one, but I wondered if when using tor with apt, is it possible to use tor browser instead of regular tor? |
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| 12:16 | <han7> | pxe: when following the instructions on https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList about tor with apt, can I skip installing the tor package and instead have tor browser running? |
| 12:16 | <pxe> | han7: yes it should be, I've used Tor Browserès builtin tor client for other aps in the past, look at its port iitc it is 9051 by default |
| 12:17 | <pxe> | iirc* |
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| 12:17 | <han7> | pxe: no it is 9150 |
| 12:18 | <pxe> | apps* etc. sorry for the typos :) and look at apt-transport-tor configuration to select which socks you use |
| 12:18 | <pxe> | right |
| 12:19 | <pxe> | and use V3 onions for debian repos, V2 is about to be dropped entirely by tor clients |
| 12:19 | <han7> | okay, I might try my hand at that. thank you for your help |
| 12:19 | <pxe> | welcome |
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| 12:22 | <pxe> | han7: however, I'd suggest to install tor client "proper", from deb.torproject.org, you may use its apparmor profile etc. look at Tails for inspiration... |
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| 12:42 | <jkc> | han7: Why are you so paranoid about what packages you download? No one cares. |
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| 12:43 | <jkc> | It's silliness to go through all of this just for apt. |
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| 12:45 | <tertu> | is it OK to put amdgpu in /etc/modules? |
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| 12:47 | <towo`> | you can do that, but why? |
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| 12:49 | <somiaj> | tertu: if it isn't loading automatically for your amd card, you should try to figure out why. |
| 12:50 | <somiaj> | tertu: also it appears you are cross-posting |
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| 13:27 | <hefe> | How long does it usually takes for bugs to get fixed? I still can't install Debian because of a bug in shim. |
| 13:28 | <sney> | depends on the bug |
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| 13:29 | <sney> | has it been fixed upstream? |
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| 13:30 | <Sqrt{not}> | hefe, is there a debian bug number for your bug? |
| 13:31 | <hefe> | Yes and #995940 |
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| 13:32 | <hefe> | In the meantime, even a new version of shim has been released. Of course, it is obvious that this version will not be available in stable right away. But the bug is just a single if-query that makes everything fail. |
| 13:36 | <scorpion2185[m]> | can I move notifications? on openbox |
| 13:40 | <somiaj> | hefe: is this debian stable? |
| 13:41 | <hefe> | The bug is present in Debian Stable since 10.10 |
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| 13:46 | <somiaj> | Providing a patch might help the bug report, though unsure when/if it will be fixed. The bug report doesn't contain much info except the problem exists. |
| 13:46 | <sney> | doesn't look like there has been any activity in salsa for a few months, https://salsa.debian.org/efi-team/shim |
| 13:47 | <sney> | since this is installer related, giving a reminder in #debian-boot might help get things moving |
| 13:47 | <otisolsen70> | What tool can I use to record my screen to video on Debian? |
| 13:47 | <otisolsen70> | Through an X session in which I play a game (minecraft) |
| 13:49 | <scorpion2185[m]> | simple screen recorder |
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| 13:50 | <somiaj> | obs-studio can do this, though there are other apps (that is also capable of streaming) |
| 13:50 | <scorpion2185[m]> | it's a lot of option, check if you select the correct audio |
| 13:50 | <scorpion2185[m]> | despite the name |
| 13:52 | <somiaj> | hefe: as for a work around, would just using an older installer image then upgrade/dist-upgrade at least help you install debian? |
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| 13:55 | <han7> | pxe: thank you for your help |
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| 13:58 | <han7> | jkc: it was mostly a sidetrack and i'm happy to learn new things :) also, tor users in general are farily tired of having people bringing up paranoia, "nothing to hide" etc. For the future you might want to avoid being one of the ridiculers, you're not the first. |
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| 14:04 | <otisolsen70> | scorpion2185[m], thanks. Seems to work |
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| 14:12 | <hefe> | somiaj: I'll try that tonight. Otherwise I'll need to switch to Suse. They've managed to fix the bug months ago and I need a working OS (Windows won't do). |
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| 14:27 | <joshu> | hi what happens when debian runs out of toy story codenames? |
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| 14:27 | <bremner> | no more releases |
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| 14:28 | <blast007> | we crowd fund a new Toy Story movie |
| 14:28 | <bremner> | we start using old windows release names. |
| 14:28 | <bremner> | Debian NT, Debian ME |
| 14:28 | <joshu> | i wonder if debian is hidden in toy story movies? |
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| 14:39 | <jeremiah> | Can anyone help me with this BSOD on Debian ME? |
| 14:40 | <jeremiah> | I can't find my registry file. |
| 14:40 | <hefe2> | somiaj: Do you think that I can boot the installer when swap the Shim-Deb with an older one (from 10.9)? |
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| 14:43 | <otisolsen70> | jeremiah, BSoD? That is a Windows thing, right? |
| 14:43 | <otisolsen70> | Oh. Sorry, did not realize it was a joke |
| 14:45 | <jeremiah> | heh, sorry |
| 14:45 | <jeremiah> | I was just trying to hang out with the cool kids. |
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| 14:50 | <Sqrt{not}> | hefe2, asking that question in #debian-boot might give the reminder that sney was suggesting a while ago. |
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| 14:53 | <scorpion2185[m]> | otisolsen70 check if the audio is registered I had to use pulseaudio option |
| 14:53 | <scorpion2185[m]> | can I move notifications? I installed notify-osd now |
| 14:54 | <scorpion2185[m]> | before I had notification-daemon |
| 14:54 | <otisolsen70> | scorpion2185[m], ok. I dont need audio for this specific use. But thanks for the tip |
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| 14:57 | <hefe2> | Sqrt{not}: What do you mean? |
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| 14:59 | <han7> | is auth.log or similar log files in /var/log/ ever going to reveal passwords? |
| 15:00 | <Sqrt{not}> | hefe, the people who would start using the fixed version of shim, pay more attention in #debian-boot, so you would gently remind them it needs work. |
| 15:01 | <Sqrt{not}> | han7, no |
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| 15:03 | <han7> | thank you ,sqrt |
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| 15:04 | <sarnold> | han7: if you find any, please file bug reports |
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| 15:07 | <han7> | haha will do sarnold |
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| 15:43 | <scorpion2185[m]> | when I use conky and spacefm to handle the desktop if i click on it conky disappears |
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| 15:45 | <repair> | it's no coincidence that conky rhymes with wonky |
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| 15:47 | <Sk[8]lA> | Hi |
| 15:47 | <at0m> | sup Sk[8]lA |
| 15:48 | <Sk[8]lA> | Do you know the procedure to request a package creation in the stable/unstable repos ? |
| 15:48 | <sney> | !rfp |
| 15:48 | <dpkg> | Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, a RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>. The best way of getting software packaged is to do it yourself: ask me about <nmg>. |
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| 15:54 | <alex11> | stable will very likely not get approved |
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| 15:54 | <alex11> | it's a frozen release |
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| 15:54 | <alex11> | packages have to enter through unstable first, your best bet for stable is stable-backports |
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| 16:03 | <scorpion2185[m]> | is there a standard for icons folder? It seems that usually distros have: usr/share/icons and there are some in /usr/share/pixmaps but only for a few apps. |
| 16:05 | <scorpion2185[m]> | .desktop files can read icon without full path, is there some standard? |
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| 16:12 | <scorpion2185[m]> | http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/fhs/fhs-3.0.html can't see it here |
| 16:13 | <Sk[8]lA> | ok, so this wnpp system is so complicated |
| 16:13 | <Sk[8]lA> | is there any simple system to add packages |
| 16:13 | <sney> | Sk[8]lA: wnpp is how packages are requested. you don't need to understand the whole process, just send an email using the template provided. |
| 16:14 | <Sk[8]lA> | ok but when I try to use reportbug, I have this error ValueError: No closing quotation |
| 16:15 | <sney> | so send an email normally, from your email client. that same page links this as an example, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=927076 |
| 16:15 | <judd> | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/927076 in wnpp (open): «RFP: xournalpp -- hand note taking software»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2019-04-14; last modified: 2021-07-06. |
| 16:15 | <sney> | it's pretty straightforward. |
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| 16:19 | <twb> | Sk[8]lA: that indicates a bug in a config file somewhere |
| 16:19 | <twb> | Sk[8]lA: do you get more than just "ValueError: No closing quotation" ? Other lines? |
| 16:19 | <Sk[8]lA> | ok I'll look into it |
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| 16:20 | <Sk[8]lA> | that's the full error |
| 16:20 | <Sk[8]lA> | ile "/usr/bin/reportbug", line 2385, in <module> |
| 16:20 | <Sk[8]lA> | main() |
| 16:20 | <Sk[8]lA> | File "/usr/bin/reportbug", line 805, in main |
| 16:20 | <Sk[8]lA> | args = utils.parse_config_files() |
| 16:20 | <Sk[8]lA> | File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/reportbug/utils.py", line 989, in parse_config_files |
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| 16:20 | <twb> | Sk[8]lA: OK so probably ~/.reportburc |
| 16:20 | <twb> | Sk[8]lA: OK so probably ~/.reportbugrc * |
| 16:21 | <twb> | Sk[8]lA: that or /etc/reportbug.conf which is unlikely |
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| 16:23 | <Sk[8]lA> | I assume it's all default, right N |
| 16:23 | <Sk[8]lA> | ? |
| 16:23 | <Sqrt{not}> | !paste |
| 16:23 | <dpkg> | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
| 16:24 | <Sk[8]lA> | ok thanks for the tip, I didn't know |
| 16:24 | <Sk[8]lA> | good idea with termbin, I have it in my bashrc |
| 16:25 | <Sk[8]lA> | that's the error twb: |
| 16:25 | <Sk[8]lA> | that's the error @twb |
| 16:25 | <Sk[8]lA> | https://termbin.com/d16o |
| 16:26 | <twb> | Sk[8]lA: that error is saying "your ~/.reportbugrc is fucked" |
| 16:26 | <Sk[8]lA> | ok I should delete it then |
| 16:27 | <Sk[8]lA> | work much better ;-) |
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| 17:23 | <han7> | tarzeau: i've read the page you linked earlier and the pages of the related projects, I hope the pure blend happens so we can use it, thank you for posting. |
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| 18:16 | <charly> | Hello, I'm trying to debootstrap a Wheezy (currently on a Bullseye) and I end up in segfault : https://paste.debian.net/1216335/ |
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| 18:18 | <charly> | I'm trying to play with --foreign/--second and cdebootstrap, but to no avail until now. Am i missing something obvious ? |
| 18:22 | <sussudio> | charly: apart from http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/InRelease not existing, like it says? |
| 18:23 | <sussudio> | why are there 2 slashes in /opt/chroot//var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 18:29 | <charly> | sussudio: mmh, it got the Release file so it should be alright, I guess ? |
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| 18:33 | <sussudio> | charly: you have a slash too many somewhere. |
| 18:34 | <sussudio> | if it shouldn't be there, dpkg should have filtered it out |
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| 18:55 | <user_> | hi |
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| 18:57 | <FelixActually> | Why is it that some people will join the room, say "hi" or something, and then leave almost immediately? |
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| 18:59 | <sarnold> | probably they figure it's dead and there's no point in hanging around |
| 19:00 | <FelixActually> | If they think it's dead after waiting for so little time, they must be kids who expect constant activity :) |
| 19:00 | <FelixActually> | Back in myyyy day...! |
| 19:00 | <somiaj> | also not many understand/use irc, or are trying out some app, and move on |
| 19:00 | <sarnold> | we had to push our irc servers uphill both way.. |
| 19:01 | <FelixActually> | In thirty feet of snow! And fire! Both at the same time! |
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| 19:14 | <ChmEarl> | charly, Bullseye kernel is very new, try `vsyscall=emulate` on kernel cmdline |
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| 19:15 | <ChmEarl> | charly might get the debootstrap working for wheezy |
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| 19:37 | <charly> | ChmEarl: it works ! Thanks ! I'm not sure it'll usable in all situations (some containers...) but we'll probably be ok. (and I got to understand vsyscall a little :) |
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| 19:46 | <arcane_> | Hey |
| 19:46 | <arcane_> | How are you guys doing? |
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| 19:47 | <arcane_> | Hmm, not very lively at this time? |
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| 19:48 | <arcane_> | asd |
| 19:48 | <somiaj> | !chat |
| 19:48 | <dpkg> | This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic or #moocows; or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/ |
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| 21:17 | <A|an> | Is iptables deprecated in favor of nftables? |
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| 21:19 | <somiaj> | has been in a while |
| 21:19 | <somiaj> | in general iptables on debian is using nftables anyways, and is just a wrapper |
| 21:20 | <A|an> | thx' |
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| 23:51 | <ht706> | 大 |
| 23:51 | <ht706> | 小 |
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