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---Logopened Mon Oct 25 00:00:34 2021
00:01<tjcarter>In that case, I think I'm superfluous at the moment, so I'm going to run some scheduled maintenance on /dev/albino
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00:04<DOOMBOX>twm only requires 1816 kB extra
00:04<DOOMBOX>menu twm packets
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00:05<DOOMBOX>i hope lightdm will add that to the menu
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00:56<Rick_sysop>Hello i have some brief news to inform and send. regarding ASUS EEePC 1000HE i was here not long ago asking a explicit question regarding BIOS update -
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00:57<Rick_sysop>Now i have brief - summary of the report what happened, and how to aftermath went.
00:59<Rick_sysop>https://zentalk.asus.com/en/discussion/54063/asus-eeepc-1000he
01:01<Rick_sysop>I'm asking - now looking for a Distro/tool know from which i can make use of, in order to reset - factory erase Tablets and Smartphones.. (Android)
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01:02<Rick_sysop>Is there any tool like that, or any Distro that i can make use of.?
01:05<sney>there is always some risk of bricking a device when attempting a bios update, it's rare, but possible. sorry you had to experience it.
01:06<sney>WRT android factory reset, that's completely out of the scope of #debian, and varies wildly from device to device and vendor to vendor, with nothing universal that I am aware of.
01:06<Rick_sysop>sney: Yes .. it was a terrible experience .. nontheless from which i could tell.. ASUS did deliberetly do something in order for the machine to become useless in the end.
01:07<sney>your best bet is to learn the hardware keys that trigger the reset in whatever set of devices you are dealing with, and do that. usually you have to hold a couple buttons at the same time for 15 seconds and then the reset will happen.
01:07<sney>that is unlikely, it's much more plausible that your device was simply old and experienced some failure, however I'm not a representative of asus and can't promise either way
01:07<Rick_sysop>sney: (From the beginning the reason i did this disclosure was because the pre built-in EZ Flash Utillity didn't work as expected.. from which i had no other option than use MS-DOS environment from USB pendrive and use their AFUDOS utillity combined with their respectively .ROM file
01:08<Rick_sysop>sney: well ... hard to tell. The only thing i can for sure tell is that the machine (AFTER sucessful brain surgery) didn't even start.. No fan, no light.. no screen, colour.. nothing.
01:08<sney>if you're just going to complain about the experience with your eeepc, that's not #debian's problem either, maybe you should go to ##hardware on Libera if you want to discuss general hardware breakage stuff
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01:09<Rick_sysop>sney: no i'm not here to complain, i just wanted to share information, explicit information Regarding this machine and Debian.
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01:09<sussudio>don't pc these days have a backup bios
01:10<Rick_sysop>sussudio: this is a machine from 2009 ... i know it's 2021 but still.
01:10<sney>many these days do. 10" eeepc models were... yes, a bit older
01:10<somiaj>also aren't eeepc's only a partial pc...*hides*
01:10<Rick_sysop>sussudio: and Yes .. it's a DIFFERENT different story can't compare at all ... ASUS pre builtin EZ Flash Utillity for LEGACY BIOS..
01:10<sussudio>i'm pretty sure one of my pcs from like 2000 had one
01:10<Rick_sysop>you cant compare that to EZ Flash Utillity V3 for UEFI bios.
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01:10<sney>my 1000HA still boots, but the keyboard port is toast, so it's not useful as a laptop anymore. so it goes. everything dies eventually.
01:11<sney>good lifespan, tbh.
01:11<Rick_sysop>sney: the thing i did with 1000HE was dissasemble everything take spare parts ... and throw rubbish in the dumpster.
01:11<sussudio>sney: there's usb to ps2 adapters
01:11<sney>sussudio: I could plug an external keyboard into it, yes. this is why I specified "useful as a laptop"
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01:12<Rick_sysop>sney: Can you explain further so i understand. What is (WRT android factory reset) do you have a reference or information i could read.?
01:12<sney>in fact I ran it as a low power server for a month or so before realizing that was silly
01:12<sussudio>sney: did you physically break it
01:12<sney>Rick_sysop: WRT means with regards to, and the rest you can google. android has several forums and at least one irc channel on libera
01:13<Rick_sysop>sney: aha ok ok.. Sorry if i disturbed or asked a question out of the scope.
01:14<sney>sussudio: it would need a new motherboard in order to be able to work with an internal keyboard again. I replaced the keyboard, and that wasn't it, and it's no longer practical to keep replacing parts in a ~13 year old netbook.
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01:14<sney>I suppose I did break it, in the way that laptops eventually break from the stresses of being portable
01:15<sussudio>i only have 1 functional laptop and i don't take it anywhere
01:15<sney>then it will have a long and productive life
01:17<somiaj>My biggest gripe recentaly is plugs. Had a laptop and now my smart phone both die because the port for the plug just stopped working, and if you can't power/charge it, it is useless
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01:23<sussudio>somiaj: have you tried removing the battery for a while to reset it, for some inexplicable reason, that worked with a few devices here, including a camera.
01:24<somiaj>can't remove the battery in the phone, and the laptop, it was totally the plug connection just broke, and you can't replace it
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01:24<somiaj>though I guess my phone does wireless charging so I could get that to keep using it, but in general, I find that the power plug port seems to be a weak link
01:24<sussudio>also helps with buggy camera software that gets stuck and shuts it off with the lens half retracted... these things really need firmware updates
01:24<sney>plugs are also prone to collecting lint and dirt, and cleaning them is not always trivial
01:25<sney>usb-micro was particularly bad about this but it probably applies broadly
01:25<somiaj>sney: I kinda think my cleaning it is what partially broke it. I am now understanding why wireless charging my have it's use
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01:25<somiaj>funny thing, usb-min/micro never have had any problems with, but usb-C I have had problems with
01:25<sney>indeed, wireless charging is quite handy
01:25<sussudio>they should have never stopped adding those little rubber plugs for ports...
01:26<somiaj>yea, I use to think it was mostly a gimic, but now that I've had enough plugs just go bad, it is a useful gimmic
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01:38<fudgespinner>twb: I agree Core 2 system is hardly low-end as the CPU performance is somewhat on par with smartphones from 2014-2016. But it certainly unable to keep up with anything that requires Nehalem/Westmere or even SSE4.x in mind. (Penryn-based Celeron and Pentium didn't support SSE 4.1 and very few software utilise SSSE3 or even SSE3 if Pentium 4 compatibility is still a concern.) Namely hardware CRC32 crunching capabilities that can be useful
01:38<fudgespinner>for Btrfs.
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01:44<fudgespinner>And another factor of Intel integrated graphics of the time, Gen3 is utterly horrible, Gen4 (and Ironlake found in Westmere processors to lesser extent.) wasn't performing very well nor deliver fully compliant, nearly bug-free OpenGL support either.
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01:47<fudgespinner>But if it wasn't meant to be plugged in and surf the web all the time, the integrated graphics can be easily ignored as it works fairly well.
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03:33<bong_na>ok
03:34<bong_na>hi
03:34<bong_na>omg
03:34<bong_na>nobdys chtin
03:34<bong_na>boringggg
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03:35<fudgespinner>this is a support channel
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03:41<fudgespinner>BTW, are there any way to set up a single machine, multiple user setup?
03:41<fudgespinner>I want to experiment with setting up two users for each TTY and seamlessly switch it within each of that.
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03:54<fudgespinner>I am aware of fast user switching, but I think of running full screen (and certainly Windows games) on one tty whilst having normal desktop for everything else.
03:54<fudgespinner>Which might helps on debug without secondary monitor for terminal output or forcefully kill them if such full screen or Windows apps freezes
03:54<fudgespinner>A little rephrase: full screen application on one tty and normal desktop on another tty
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04:36<ElPresidenteP>How has everyone's day been?
04:36<ElPresidenteP>I know I'm brave asking that at 4:36 EST :P
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04:37<bentham>I think you mean 04:36 EDT.
04:38<ElPresidente>bentham, most likely
04:38<bentham>And this is a channel about Debian, not people's days.
04:39<ElPresidente>Who's support experience is being interrupted?
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04:41<at0m>ElPresidente: the ones keeping an eye on here to help people out. ask your support questions here, take the rest to #debian-offtopic please :)
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05:23<Daniel>I am trying to install on a debian wheezy on a unifi xg 8 gateway a mysql server, but I cannot because of: https://pastebin.com/VwndymMz
05:23<Daniel>and I cannot remove or modify ubnt-debian as its needed for the gateway to work :)
05:24<Daniel>is there any way I can avoid installing psmisc to install mysql-server ? or some other way around?
05:25<at0m>Daniel: that's because, while unify is debian-based, and uses apt, it's not debian
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05:25<Daniel>I know that, I asked if there's a workaround
05:26<at0m>i ran into such with my router. went for openwrt since..
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05:27<at0m>also, afaik, any such packages changes you make will be reverted on reboot, when it restores from read-only mounted storage (can only be written on re-flashing)
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05:29<Daniel>Wont revert a thing, I am using it only from cli, not adopting anywhere, keeps everything just fine at reboot
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05:30<Daniel>i run a USG-XG-8 gateway
05:30<at0m>Daniel: do they have a repository of packages?
05:31<Daniel>they don't nothing's enabled
05:31<Daniel>you can only update the firmware and thats it, I added debian's repos
05:31<Daniel>and the product is discontinued as far as I know
05:32<Daniel>I plan on running freeradius with strongwan for ike2v/l2tp vpns, so I wanted to use a mysql database for radius authentications not secret files
05:32<Daniel>strongswan
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05:33<Daniel>I also use openwrt on other small devices like tp-links home use
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05:33<Daniel>but this doesn't seem to be compatible :)
05:34<at0m>:/
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06:27<fudgespinner>so okay brief question. how to run applications as different, non-root user?
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06:29<at0m>fudgespinner: su -c $command - $user
06:29<at0m>or to get to shell for that user, from another user su - $user
06:31<SignumFera>Although I prefer sudo -u $user $command or sudo -u $user -s
06:34<at0m>SignumFera: all valid :) i put sudo on multi-user systems. when it's just me with access, su
06:34<tarzeau>does anyone else wants to login multiple times and run GNOME with the same user on the same machine? (it fails for me, x local session, and xrdp the 2nd one)
06:35<fudgespinner>thank you
06:35<Human_G33k>Daniel: try opnsense or pfsense pretty sure it support it
06:35<SignumFera>at0m: force of habit I am afraid, sudo is part of my default debian post install, install
06:37<at0m>sudo's large benefit, imho, is that you don't need to handout root pass (or any other for that matter ) to other users
06:37<at0m>others just get placed in a group and can work from there, with more specific permissions
06:37<SignumFera>Yup, meaning I also don't need to memorize the root password, only my own
06:38<at0m>and if your account is compromised..
06:38<at0m>so is root
06:38<at0m>ok, all slim chances =)
06:39<SignumFera>Indeed. Also assumes I use password auth on SSH and not key auth with my key safely encrypted at rest. As you said, all slim chances :)
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06:52<joeDoe>I'm having trouble with gnome-calendar and evolution forgetting what is on a remote calendar server. Thought I'd try something else. I searched "kalendar" in aptitude looking for kde's calendar app. The only result is konsolekalendar. I'd rather go graphic. So what package is kalendar in? Anyone know?
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07:00<jm_>from konsolekalendar package's tags: interface::graphical
07:00<jm_>joeDoe: ^^^^^
07:03<joeDoe>jm_: thanks. Seems to contradict the first line of the description ("konsolekalendar is a command-line interface..."), but thanks. I'll give it a go
07:03<jm_>joeDoe: yeah it means cli too, maybe check if there are screenshots for it (find it on packages.debian.org)
07:03<jm_>I'll be back a bit later
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07:06<joeDoe>oh man. I was afraid of that. I install 1 pkg and there 184 dependancies.
07:06<joeDoe>kde stuff mostly
07:06<joeDoe>same thing happened when installng gnome-calendar
07:06*joeDoe doesn't run either kde or gnome, sigh
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07:13<at0m>joeDoe: maybe ask in #fluxbox or the channel of the desktop environment you're running? they might be more familiar with such.
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07:32<demo>running on old chromebox linux works well but no sound
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07:37<demo>I am running with low resources, so using a low resource debian based distro from usb
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07:38<at0m>demo: make sure alsamixer has no essentials muted
07:39<at0m>then, as root, alsactl store
07:39<at0m>those will then become the new defaults
07:40<demo>thank you. I will try that.
07:42<demo>I could live without sound but would be nice if possible
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07:48<demo>I know the sound works, as I tried another distro and sound worked, but the os was too slow, using too much memory
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07:49<at0m>demo: did you check alsamixer? anything muted there?
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07:53<demo>I have been getting spoiled. On most machines anymore things just work anymore.
07:53<at0m>that doesn't help solve your current problem :P
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07:55<demo>The chromebook has been a special case of weird difficulty
07:55<at0m>nope, still doesn't help. i'm off. good luck :)
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08:55<milei>HOLA GENTE
08:55<milei>ALGUIEN HABLA ESPAÑOL?
08:55<ansgar>!es
08:55<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat. - https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/
08:55<maryjane>Português
08:56<jm_>!pt
08:56<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-br ) - debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org
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08:57<milei>ALGO INTERESANTE?
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09:00<milei>BYE BYE
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09:48<zathras>When I enable admin login in Rainloop (with php-fpm7.4 & nginx) I get a -102 auth error in the app log. How can I fix this please?
09:48<zathras>(even with the default password)
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10:23<will0w>zathras: maybe ask on #nginx
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10:31<scorpion2185[m]>in ~/.Xmodmap remove mod4 = Super_R
10:31<scorpion2185[m]>keycode 134 = Hyper_R
10:31<scorpion2185[m]>add mod3 = Hyper_R
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10:35<scorpion2185[m]>will that remove super_r as modifier?
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10:40<at0m>scorpion2185[m]: does it?
10:40<somiaj>!tas
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10:41<somiaj>!tias
10:41<dpkg>TIAS is "Try It And See".
10:41<somiaj>though you may have to manually run xmodmap to read that config file, as it may not do this by default when you load your Xsession.
10:41<scorpion2185[m]>I don't have super_R in the map
10:42<somiaj>then seems to work
10:42<somiaj>If the key is not listed in the output of 'xmodmap' then it is not considered a modifier by xorg.
10:42<scorpion2185[m]>xmodmap: ~/.Xmodmap:249: bad keysym in remove modifier list 'Super_R', no corresponding keycodes
10:43<scorpion2185[m]>changed to super_L got some other errors when sourcing the file
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10:45<scorpion2185[m]>not error it works but now super_r is hype_L wtf
10:45<scorpion2185[m]>some warnings so
10:46<scorpion2185[m]>how do I remove as modifier super_L? i turned super_R into hype_L
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10:47<somiaj>try just '4' instead of mod4
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10:48<scorpion2185[m]>by default super_R is hyper_R.
10:48<scorpion2185[m]>just "4 = Super_L" to remove it as modifier?
10:49<scorpion2185[m]>*remove 4...
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10:49<somiaj>I haven't tried, I'd just have to play around with it, maybe see if I can find something in google if it didn't work.
10:50<scorpion2185[m]>bad remove modifier name '4', not allowe
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10:50<somiaj>yea, looks like your systnax was correct, you can try it from the command line
10:51<scorpion2185[m]>how?
10:51<somiaj>xmodmap -e "remove mod4 = Super_L" worked for me
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10:53<scorpion2185[m]>also for me i was trying somethign else, now I can bind only that key , it sees it as "super+super L"
10:53<scorpion2185[m]>thank!!!
10:54<somiaj>as for binding the key, it will depend on the software to bind, and I don't know openbox
10:55<somiaj>If removing Super_L as a modifier still doesn't allow you to bind the key in openbox, maybe they have some hard coded tool to prevent that
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10:56<scorpion2185[m]>I use lxhotkeys it allows me to bind only super_L, but I can't add other keys . and when I press it nothing happens
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10:56<somiaj>https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/214956/how-to-set-a-single-modifier-key-as-a-shortcut-in-openbox
10:57<somiaj>Unsure if that helps
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11:03<scorpion2185[m]>I ll check
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11:08<scorpion2185[m]>yes, thanks I just have to bind it manually without lxhotkeys
11:10<scorpion2185[m]>why scrot doesn't sound?
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11:13<scorpion2185[m]>too bad lxpanel menu doesn't have toggle option
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11:16<kveroneau>A toggle option in theory is just a code change and a compile away. Or a feature request on GitHub.
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11:21<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:40<scorpion2185[m]>kveroneau: is lxpanel still developed? also when I use other shortcuts it triggers just super shortcut better check xcape solutions
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11:53<scorpion2185[m]>xcape is supposed to start when releasing menu shortcut gets in the way. not when using super+<letter>
12:06<scorpion2185[m]>rebooted and it's working, is there an overview app?
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12:12<scorpion2185[m]>i see that there are some budgie pkgs, are there as standalone? there is a previews
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14:10<scorpion2185[m]>*them . Are budige packages standalone?
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14:11<sney>what do you mean by standalone
14:12<scorpion2185[m]>are them for budgie desktop? Is not in the included DE
14:12<sney>budgie is one of the desktops packaged for debian, just like xfce or gnome or whatever
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14:13<scorpion2185[m]>really? but it is not in tasksel
14:13<scorpion2185[m]>budgie
14:13<scorpion2185[m]>,i budgie-desktop
14:13<judd>Package budgie-desktop (x11, optional) in bullseye/amd64: Desktop package for budgie-desktop. Version: 10.5.2-4; Size: 26.0k; Installed: 40k; Homepage: https://github.com/solus-project/budgie-desktop; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/budgie-desktop
14:14<sney>sure, it's newer, so it doesn't have a task yet
14:15<sney>I'm not sure what the criteria are, but for a while e.g. cinnamon and lxqt didn't have tasks either
14:15<scorpion2185[m]>is it based on gnome?
14:15<sney>it's gtk, I don't know if it's based on gnome. you could probably find out by looking at the homepage.
14:15<at0m>from screenshots.debian.net you got as reply, "Budgie-Desktop is written from scratch utilising many GNOME based sub-systems such as GNOME-Session and Mutter"
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14:20<scorpion2185[m]>I looked wikipedia and I am looking official site, is it lightweight?
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14:21<sney>stop asking questions you can just research yourself
14:21<at0m>seems lightweight, though couple gnome depends that may draw in some extra
14:21<sney>we are not here to read websites to you
14:22<scorpion2185[m]>I tried to search , maybe someone already knows
14:23<at0m>do they have a support channel? active development?
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14:24<sney>it was developed for solus linux, and they use it as their man DE, so that's who would know.
14:24<sney>only about 200 people have ever installed it on debian, and a lot of that is probably maintainers testing: https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=budgie-desktop
14:24<at0m>and then one ends up running $modernwebbrowser which runs off with 3GB of RAM
14:25<scorpion2185[m]>I joined #budgie-desktop-dev and asked
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14:56<alex11>i'm hearing borgbackup has a GUI - is it included in the package or is there something else for that?
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14:57<sussudio>don't believe what the voices tell you.
14:57<FLD>seeing is believing
15:00<somiaj>,i vorta
15:00<judd>Package vorta (utils, optional) in bullseye/amd64: Desktop Client for Borg Backup. Version: 0.7.5-1; Size: 299.4k; Installed: 1003k; Homepage: https://vorta.borgbase.com
15:00<somiaj>that is what apt search borgbackup gave me, unsure what a desktop client is though
15:00<somiaj>but sounds guish
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15:09<alex11>i'm being really lazy, i could have just searched for GUIs for borg and then see if they're packaged in debian
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16:28<kali_>hi
16:28<kali_>anyone there
16:28<somiaj>!kali
16:28<dpkg>Kali Linux https://kali.org/ is a security/penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but is different enough that we don't provide support in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.libera.chat or https://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian> and read https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html
16:28<kali_>hi
16:29<kali_>somiage
16:29<kali_>somiaj
16:29<kali_>how is everyone
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16:29<kali_>hello
16:29<somiaj>!chat
16:29<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic or #moocows; or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/
16:30<kali_>oh sorry
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17:55<onelegend>hoi
17:56<somiaj>Greetings, do you have a question about debian?
17:59<shuvarek>Not really now. Maybe in the future, as I am using Raspberry Pi 400.
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18:01<shuvarek>Really I am here by accident, as I try to use Libre.Chat, and I do not know how to do it as XChat does not have it in the server list.
18:01<somiaj>you can go to their website, and use xchat to join it directly using the /server or /connection option
18:01<somiaj>yea, libre.chat is fairly new, so you need to manually add it
18:01<somiaj>sorry /connect
18:01<bentham>not to be confused with libera.chat?
18:02<shuvarek>I add the name, but into servers but ofc it does not work like that
18:02<somiaj>https://libera.chat/
18:02<somiaj>arg yea, I forgot the a, :/
18:02<bentham>and switched the 'r' and 'e'. but I am pedantic.
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18:03<somiaj>shuvarek: are you trying to connect via sal or non-encyrpted, if doing sal you may have to setup a cert first.
18:04<somiaj>https://libera.chat/guides/connect
18:04<shuvarek>somiaj, I do not know yet, just installed xchat and try to connect with smth.
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18:04<shuvarek>thatns
18:05<shuvarek>I have not use it for few years
18:05<shuvarek>thanks
18:05<somiaj>note the 6697 is secure port, 6667 is standard, will have less steps, but be unsecure.
18:05<shuvarek>i have seen in the that it was 6667
18:05<shuvarek>but maybe the name was wrong?
18:06<shuvarek>should I write something like http://libera.chat, or with different protocol?
18:06<shuvarek>irc.libera.chat
18:07<shuvarek>From their web
18:07<shuvarek>or maybe even irc.eu.libera.chat
18:07<somiaj>just use irc.llibera.chat, don't use http:// that is web, but you are connecting via irc, so just enter in the server name
18:07<somiaj>yea, you can use their eu servers if that is more appropriate
18:07<shuvarek>I will try them
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18:07<shuvarek>that why I said differen protocol
18:08<shuvarek>just I do not need to say the protocol I think
18:08<somiaj>xchat shouldn't require any thing besides the server name and port, so irc.eu.libera.chat, and if you don't provide a port 6667 is used by default.
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18:10<shuvarek>unknow host (irc.eu.libera.chat)
18:12<shuvarek>Ok. I have got it
18:12<shuvarek>should put the name in different window in the place of "server"
18:16<shuvarek>Thank you guys
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19:22<PMT>Hi all, my system has a strange stall during boot on bullseye that wasn't there on buster - if you watch it boot, it gets to the line that starts 0.69 in https://www.dropbox.com/s/kmtcpixtomw19z1/what%20up%20boot.jpg?dl=0, sits there for over 50 seconds, then gets to the line that starts with 0.71 and continues on like it didn't just sit for a minute without knowing.
19:23<somiaj>PMT: although you are now cross-posting, is it an entropy thing, if you sit and wiggle the mouse does it boot faster? Could it be something in your initramfs causing a delay before systemd is started?
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19:25<somiaj>also since you said it didn't occur in buster, have you tried to boot busters 4.19 kernel? Same issue, if so that might narrow it down to an initramfs issue
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19:26<PMT>somiaj: I no longer have buster's kernel installed, but I can try reinstalling it for the experiment. And the system does not and never has had a keyboard or mouse attached during normal operation, save for the BMC.
19:27<somiaj>well the mouse thing was just a way to add entropy to the system, sometimes kernels need it to boot, though I thought they fixed most of that.
19:27<PMT>Yeah, so did I, I'm just mentioning that it shouldn't have changed.
19:27<somiaj>well if the 5.10 kernel has entropy issues but the 4.19 doesn't
19:28<somiaj>,i haveged
19:28<judd>Package haveged (misc, optional) in bullseye/amd64: Linux entropy source using the HAVEGE algorithm. Version: 1.9.14-1; Size: 38.7k; Installed: 90k; Homepage: https://issihosts.com/haveged/
19:28<somiaj>again just things to test, but I would first test the 4.19 kernel, see if that is the issue, and if you still have the issue with the 4.19 kernel, then maybe check if there is much difference in the initramfs
19:29<PMT>somiaj: this is, I believe, before PID 1, though, so I don't think this would help?
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19:29<somiaj>,i early-rng-init-tools
19:29<judd>No package named 'early-rng-init-tools' was found in bullseye/amd64.
19:30<somiaj>maybe haveged runs in initramfs before systemd, but just spitting out ideas that come to mind. I can't really think of anything else
19:30<somiaj>though most the entropy isses were fixed in buster, I doubt they would have reappeared in bullseye, it was just a thought.
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19:30<PMT>It's not a bad idea, I'm happy to try it, just thinking aloud.
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19:38<PMT>I suppose it's time to lob my IRC config onto a system other than this one for a bit and start rebooting a bunch to experiment.
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19:38<somiaj>do you reboot enough this extra 30sec to a minute matters? Or just more courious why?
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19:40<PMT>somiaj: not usually, and it's more than 60 seconds, I just only started timing after a while. I just want to know what changed.
19:42<PMT>(Because sometimes, when I encounter bugs in kernel code I'm fixing, I do reboot more often than "a week or three after Debian stable ships a new kernel", and then I really do mind an additional 60s of boot time each time.)
19:43<PMT>In the worst case, down the kernel bisect hole I go.
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19:45<PMT>Ah yes, apt is unhappy because linux-headers-4.xx would require ... which requires libc6-dev version [oldstable]. Oh well, no DKMS modules for me during this experiment.
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20:01<PMT>...the problem was absolutely mad.
20:01<PMT>It was a USB3 hub with no devices plugged into it connected to the motherboard which had heretofore worked fine for over a year.
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20:03<safinaskar2>how to enable bash-completion for root?
20:03<safinaskar2>i entered container "debian:bullseye" from docker hub
20:04<safinaskar2>then i installed bash-completion, but completion still doesn't work
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20:12<sussudio>safinaskar2: are there files in /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/
20:12<sarnold>did you restart the shell in question?
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20:25<safinaskar2>sussudio: yes
20:25<safinaskar2>sarnold: yes
20:27<safinaskar2>i tried to manually run function "_init_completion" from /usr/share/bash-completion/bash_completion and it returns "1"
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20:27<safinaskar2>i suspect that this is because this is bare minimal system (debian:bullseye from docker hub and nothing else)
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20:30<sarnold>safinaskar2: check dpkg-divert --list -- I heard some/many docker images have a bunch of "useless" stuff configured to not even install the files, and I think dpkg-divert was the tool used for that
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20:33<safinaskar2>sarnold: i checked. "dpkg-divert --list" contains "sh" and "man sh" only
20:35<sarnold>nice and short..
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20:47<tjcarter>not many diversions on a standard install before you install dev tools
20:48<tjcarter>then binutils-multiarch will divert all the things.
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21:12<owen>are you kidding me?
21:12<sney>?
21:13<Sqrt{not}>owen, would I kid you? have I ever seen you before? relax :)
21:13<owen>onyxia
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21:14<owen>stooooooooop
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21:15<sney>!new2irc
21:15<dpkg>You are chatting on IRC. IRC is the original group chat. Similar to platforms like Slack, Matrix, or Discord, IRC was invented in the 1980s and formalized with RFC 1459 in 1993. This channel, #debian, is for help with the debian operating system. Ask us a debian support question, or read more about IRC at https://netsplit.de or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC
21:15<owen>ayy lmao
21:16<owen>nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
21:17<owen>ARE YOU KIDDING MEE!!!
21:17<sney>owen: chat works better if you actually read what other people say, instead of just talking to yourself
21:18<owen>onyxia
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21:18<owen>SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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21:19<sney>!next
21:19<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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21:20<dvs>txen
21:21<owen>":)''
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21:25<onelegend>wtf
21:25<onelegend>oh btw, who uses debian from scratch here?
21:25<onelegend>*I don't need help, I'm just curious
21:26<sussudio>!polls
21:26<dpkg>"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
21:26<sussudio>bite, my pretties.
21:26<Sqrt{not}>that one is pretty obsolete I think.
21:27<Sqrt{not}>%debian from scratch
21:27<dselect>"Debian From Scratch" was a live CD image providing a full-featured kernel and rescue environment, with tools to build a custom live CD. Obsolete and unmaintained, dfsbuild was removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #570272. Ask me about <debian live>.
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21:45<onelegend>fun fact
21:45<onelegend>I already said I don't need help
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21:45<onelegend>but anyways, I successfully completed the guide
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21:48<onelegend>oh I misunderstood you, apologies
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22:43<Thrift>Hello everyone, I'd like to ask some questions about how does “the” clipboard work on x11.
22:43<Thrift>I have read this article( https://www.uninformativ.de/blog/postings/2017-04-02/0/POSTING-en.html ), and I've know about a basic principle of how two clients paste each other.
22:44<Thrift>But what puzzles me is that if there is only one client program at present, I mean, how does it work to copy a plain text from one place to another in a client program.
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23:38<Sqrt{not}>Thrift, Imagine that your one program is an editor, editing the source code of a program. Variations on your one bit of plain text can occur in multiple places in the source code.
23:39<Thrift>ye
23:39<Thrift>yep
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23:42<Thrift>When you want to copy text from application A to application B, it goes like this:
23:42<Thrift>Copy text in program A: program A asserts selection ownership.
23:42<Thrift>Paste text in program B: program B notes that program A owns the selection.
23:42<Thrift>program B asks A for the text.
23:42<Thrift>program A responds, and sends the text to program B.
23:42<Sqrt{not}>no
23:42<Thrift>program B pastes the response.
23:43<Sqrt{not}>where did you get this idea of asserted selection ownership?
23:43<Thrift>https://www.jwz.org/doc/x-cut-and-paste.html
23:43<Thrift>look at this article
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23:49<sney>jwz was probably right 19 years ago, but he's too busy running a nightclub these days to make sure his old documentation is still accurate. Xorg could have easily changed clipboard behavior a few times since then
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23:51<sney>(not that I really get it either, other than to say my system always seems to have two independent clipboards responding to different keystroke combos)
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23:52<Sqrt{not}>hmmmmm. I think it is more helpful to think of the 2 kinds of copying/pasting to occur in the window manager, which takes a copy of the selected/copied content from the first window, and inserts it on demand anywhere else later.
23:53<somiaj>yea, the two clipboards can be annoying, sometimes I'm unsure what gets coppied, and more and more programs don't owner the selection is automatically put into the clipboard, which requires me to use a key binding, even more annoying
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23:54<somiaj>clipboard managers end up being a useful solution
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23:58<Thrift>so what is the behavior of the clipboard now?
23:59<somiaj>probably looking at what clipboard managers do will help figure things out, though you may also find an x11 channel more appropriate. Do you have an actual goal here?
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