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---Logopened Sat Oct 30 00:00:41 2021
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00:09<mason>tuxd3v: grep -r logrot /etc/*cron*
00:10<tuxd3v>mason, many thanks, it was my fault
00:10<mason>no worries
00:10<tuxd3v>I didn't had logrotate installed :D
00:10<tuxd3v>it pushed also cron ofcourse now everything is explained :)
00:10<mason>But something else was rotating your logs?
00:10<mason>Or they weren't being rotated but you thought they were?
00:11<tuxd3v>yes, but I don't know what
00:11<tuxd3v>I mean the system logs, yes
00:11<mason>interesting
00:11<mason>I'd be curious to know what it is if you find out. Worst case, set up auditd to watch /var/log and see what does it.
00:11<tuxd3v>indeed, I have being fighting to find what :D
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00:22<tuxd3v>indeed I checked and logrotate bynary wasn't present
00:23<mason>tuxd3v: That's okay. You see something rotating your logs, don't install logrotate. Instead install/set up auditd and set a rule to look at /var/log, and after a day or so it'll show you what process is rotating your logs.
00:23<tuxd3v>but I have dmesg logs compressed and rotated
00:23<mason>tuxd3v: Ah, are you sure that's not just the per-boot dmesg?
00:24<mason>tuxd3v: If that's the ONLY one, then it's a thing that happens when booting so you get a clean dmesg from each boot. I don't remember where that's configured offhand.
00:25<mason>Maybe /etc/init.d/bootlogs
00:25<tuxd3v>its only dmesg, but I have several compressed files 0,1,2,3,4, plus one uncompressed
00:25<tuxd3v>hummm
00:25<mason>tuxd3v: Yeah, read that init.d script
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00:26<tuxd3v>mason, thanks again :)
00:26<mason>Happy to help.
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00:32<cflip>i have just installed debian on my computer, and i can't seem to connect to the internet. networkctl says the carrier is continously gained and lost
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00:33<cflip>i had no internet problems on the live xfce desktop, but the installed debian won't connect
00:34<mason>cflip: Firmware issue maybe?
00:34<mason>cflip: Your NIC might need something from firmware-linux-nonfree or something.
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00:35<cflip>firmware-linux-nonfree is already installed
00:35<mason>What's the NIC?
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00:36<mason>I tend to just use ifupdown here, so maybe there's something special you have to do for networkctl.
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00:38<cflip>i think it's a realtek RTL8111
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00:38<sney>r8169 firmware is in firmware-realtek, and not always needed
00:39<mason>Realtek NICs can be flaky sometimes, but if it worked during the live session I can't think that's it.
00:39<cflip>yeah the fact that it only works on the live session is strange
00:39<mason>ah, ty
00:39<mason>cflip: Got firmware-realtek installed?
00:39<cflip>looks like that's already installed too
00:39<mason>Ah, so it's not that then.
00:40<mason>cflip: Maybe ditch networkctl and do it by hand, or with ifupdown, or dhclient, or Network Manager at least to compare.
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00:40<mason>Maybe make sure there aren't a couple methods fighting over it.
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00:41<cflip>is dhcpcd supposed to be installed by default?
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00:42<mason>Mm, I'm never sure what's there by default.
00:45<jmcnaught>dhcpcd is not installed on Debian by default, but is on some derivatives. On Debian ifupdown is used by default, and desktop environments will pull in network-manager (or connman…) as a dependency.
00:48<cflip>ifup doesn't seem to recognize my interface enp5s0, even though it shows up on ip addr
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00:53<jmcnaught>ifup works on interfaces defined in /etc/network/interfaces
00:54<jmcnaught>https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration and "man interfaces"
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00:56<cflip>ifup eth0 says "Failed to get interface index: No such device"
00:56<cflip>eth0 is in /etc/network/interfaces.d/setup
00:57<jmcnaught>Is your interface named eth0 or enp5s0?
00:58<cflip>enp5s0 according to ip addr
00:59<cflip>when i used enp5s0 it said "ifup: unknown interface enp5s0" but using eth0 shows "Failed to get interface index: No such device"
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01:04<jmcnaught>cflip: can you put "head -v -n -0 /etc/network/interfaces{,.d/*}" on https://paste.debian.net/ ?
01:05<cflip>alright one minute
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01:08<cflip>https://paste.debian.net/1217351/
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01:13<jmcnaught>cflip: change eth0 on both lines to enp5s0
01:14<cflip>hey, internet seems to be working now!
01:14<cflip>thanks for the help
01:14<jnip>poggers
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01:17<jnip>so, in summary, the issue was due to improper interface detection in /etc/network/interfaces? that was a strange issue.
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01:20<jnip>he said his usb live booted debian had internet but as soon as he installed debian and booted into it, he obviously got the "no carrier" error.
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01:36<kidx>hello how do i get corectrl to show my amd gpu?
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02:43<kidx>any one know how to properly install corectrl
02:43<kidx>I have it installed but the gpu is not reconizing
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03:23<kidx>just wanto to controll my gpu fan speed
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03:30<user01>what was ufraw replaced with in debian 11?
03:31<sussudio>,v ufraw
03:31<judd>Package: ufraw on amd64 -- stretch: 0.22-1.1; buster: 0.22-4
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03:33<user01>yes there is no nufraw? that is the new name
03:35<sussudio>,v nufraw
03:35<judd>No package named 'nufraw' was found in amd64.
03:36<user01>maybe rawtherapee or rawstudio i need now
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03:46<sussudio>ufraw was removed 2 years ago for being out of date. https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/ufraw
03:46<sussudio>,v ufraw-gimp
03:46<judd>No package named 'ufraw-gimp' was found in amd64.
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03:57<somiaj>The bug report says there are other tools avilable, but doens't mention any
04:01<kidx>anyon know about corectrl
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04:01<kidx>how to get it to read my gpu
04:01<somiaj>what gpu do you have?
04:01<kidx>i am on Debian 11
04:01<kidx>Vega64
04:01<kidx>the Liquid cooled version
04:02<somiaj>maybe ask back later when others who might be more familar with the card and/or corectl are around
04:03<kidx>i dnt know who is more familiar
04:03<kidx>but ill ask back i just dont want it to over heat when gaming
04:03<somiaj>I don't either, but this is just an odd time, the weekend is often slow, and during the week other times have more users active
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04:15<kidx>ok
04:19<kidx>how do i install the proper drivers
04:19<kidx>that is one thing all the game so far are laggy
04:19<somiaj>amdgpu comes with the kernel, usually you only need firmware-amd-graphics from non-free
04:20<kidx>how i install that
04:20<kidx>how to install that
04:20<kidx>sorry for the repeat
04:20<somiaj>!non-free
04:20<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>.
04:21<somiaj>just like any other package, apt install <package>, you may have to enable non-free sources first
04:21<kidx>i am new to that how do i do that
04:21<somiaj>!non-free sources
04:21<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
04:21<kidx>i am coming from ubuntu
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04:26<kidx>ok after that then what do i do thats done
04:26<kidx>to install the gpu drivers for amd
04:26<somiaj>install the package I mentioned, firmware-amd-graphics
04:27<somiaj>note the drivers are already in the kernel, debian just puts the non-free firmware in a separate repo because it doesn't meet the DFSG
04:28<kidx>oh i was trying to use the amd drivers so i can get better preformance
04:29<kidx>cause i am not getting good preformance
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04:30<kidx>any way to switch the main driver used? like even though its in the kernel right its not detected or maybe i need a reboot
04:30<kidx>i guess everything should be running off that amd non free driver after reboot right
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04:31<somiaj>what do you mean use the amd drivers? they are in the kernel, you just need firmware
04:32<kidx>yes but i am getting errord
04:32<somiaj>what error?
04:32<kidx>errors when install what you said
04:32<somiaj>,i firmware-amd-graphics
04:32<judd>Package firmware-amd-graphics (non-free/kernel, optional) in bullseye/amd64: Binary firmware for AMD/ATI graphics chips. Version: 20210315-3; Size: 5813.5k; Installed: 48254k; Homepage: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git
04:32<somiaj>what errors?
04:32<kidx>possible missing firmwares
04:33<somiaj>did you install the firmware package I suggested the reboted?
04:33<kidx>i got errors when installing it
04:33<kidx>firmware missing
04:33<kidx>maybe i dont need those firmwares
04:33<somiaj>You should be getting errors like that when installing
04:33<somiaj>share the actual output you got at paste.debian.net
04:34<kidx>i should or shouldn't
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04:34<Guest4436>hi
04:34<somiaj>sorry shouldn't
04:34<Guest4436>I hear that the Debian project is attacked RMS
04:35<somiaj>You hear wrong
04:35<kidx>http://paste.debian.net/1217363/
04:35<Guest4436>Did the Debian project in any way attacked FSF.org founder Richard M. Stallman?
04:35<somiaj>Guest4436: no
04:35<Guest4436>Signatories against RMS
04:35<Guest4436>Molly de Blanc (Debian Project, GNOME Foundation)
04:35<Guest4436>Elana Hashman (Debian Technical Committee Member, Open Source Initiative Director, Kubernetes SIG Instrumentation Chair)
04:36<Guest4436>Neil McGovern (GNOME Foundation Executive Director, Former Debian Project Leader)
04:36<somiaj>https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_002 -- the debian project voted to make no public statement. Members of the project are free to do what they want
04:36<somiaj>this is also not debian support
04:36<somiaj>kidx: those are just warnings, now that you installed the firmware, reboot
04:37<kidx>am i in the wrong for asking for help
04:37<somiaj>kidx: no, that is for Guest4436, they question isn't really a support question.
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04:37<kidx>you mean this aint a political place
04:38<Guest4436>anything related to Debian can be said or asked here
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04:38<kidx>anyones opinions are theres of them self and not to be talked about here in support
04:39<kidx>if debian declined to make a statement then debian has spoken
04:39<Guest4436>go and create a #debian-support instead of using the main channel to claim that we can't talk about Debian because you providing here support
04:39<somiaj>Sure, so I shared the vote, but no need to discuss this further. The result is Debian made no official statement one way or another. Since there are tons of volunteers to the project, indviduals are free to support what they choose.
04:40<kidx>so i can go create what ever debian channel i want?
04:40<Guest4436>if the individuals free to support this and that against RMS than they should NOT USE OFFICIAL DEBIAN TITLES to make those statements!
04:40<kidx>i am confused from guest
04:40<kidx>ill brb
04:41<kidx>@somiaj thanks for your help
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04:43<Guest4436>because debian staff made those statements claiming to be members of the "Debian project and Debian leader and Debian technical Committee member", they did so not as individuals but as representatives of the Debian project, they did claimed official titles and so the later voting was just a show after that Debian realized the mistakes fast backtracked
04:44<somiaj>this is off topic here and nothing will be resolved by discussing this.
04:46<Guest4436>oh so now is off topic because its about the Debian?
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04:46<Guest4436>censor the channel fast and I write a blog post about it
04:48<Guest4436>Tor Project did the same like Debian attacked RMS.
04:48<Guest4436>disgraceful fucking maniacs running both Debian and the Tor Project
04:49<bentham>Guest4436: Go away, Richard. I like much of what you've written, but your behaviour is not acceptable.
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04:49<bentham>Guest4436: I'm talking to you, Guest4436. Go away now.
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04:49<Guest4436>or what you report me to the NSA
04:50<Guest4436>I know who are you dickhead
04:50<Guest4436>you work for tor project
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04:52<bentham>Thanks! For the record, I hope it was clear that I meant that I like much of what RMS has written, not what Guest4436 had written.
04:52<somiaj>Yea, have a feeling that is the same troll that has been active most the day
04:52<bentham>Yea, it's pretty toxic.
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08:24<Tj>do we have a tool to effeciently determine which *installed* package(s) caused another package to be installed via a Depends/Recommends/Suggests as opposed to across the entire archive with "apt-cache rdepends $pkg" ?
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08:44<bremner>aptitude why?
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08:48<Tj>bremner: thanks. I was getting no intelligible results but I figured out the packages must have been installed manually
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09:00<abff>aptitude why is a life saver
09:01<abff>that function should be added to apt
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10:09<FelixActually>I just plugged a powered USB hub into my computer and connected my keyboard and mouse to it, and they don't work. They work when connected directly to the computer. What could be the cause?
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10:11<FelixActually>Nothing shows up with lsusb when I plug the keyboard into my computer directly to execute that command and my mouse into the USB hub
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10:17<qwer>@ FelixActually Current you need is bigger than USB port can give to you... 500mA USB
10:18<FelixActually>qwer: Surely a keyboard and mouse don't require that much?
10:20<qwer>@ FelixActually My kbd needs 500mA + mouse another 100mA
10:21<FelixActually>Then with just the mouse plugged in, shouldn't it work?
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10:27<Tj>FelixActually: have you monitored the kernel log when connecting those devices? "journalctl -k -f"
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10:28<FelixActually>Tj: If I plug the hub directly into my PC it works, but I have another USB cable which I need
10:29<FelixActually>I plug that into my PC and into the hub and it lights up, but anything connected to the hub doesn't work
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10:33<Tj>FelixActually: is the hub USB3 or USB2 ? same question for the port on the PC the hub connects to?
10:33<FelixActually>The hub is USB 3 and I think the PC ports are 2
10:34<minimal>qwer: he said a *powered* USB hub so the devices will draw power from the hubs power supply, not the computer's USB port
10:34<Tj>FelixActually: the 'cables' you describe sounds like the issue
10:34<FelixActually>I have something which was called an "active" cable, 5 metres long
10:34<FelixActually>If I plug that into the hub's cable nothing connected to the hub works
10:34<minimal>FelixActually: does "dmesg" or "journalctl" output show the hub being "discovered" when you plug it in?
10:35<FelixActually>If I plug the hub into my PC directly, it works, and if I plug one thing into the "active" cable that thing works
10:35<Tj>FelixActually: so the active cable is the problem
10:35<FelixActually>Why does the active cable work by itself though?
10:36<FelixActually>Is the active cable plus the hub's cable too long of a distance or something?
10:36<FelixActually>I think the hub's cable is 1.5 metres
10:36<Tj>FelixActually: single device vs a hub - maybe the repeater in the cable isn't designed to cope with more than one device.
10:36<minimal>FelixActually: there are maximum distance limitations defined for USB. Active cables let you use longer cables but they are designed for device-to-hub, not hub-to-computer
10:37<Tj>FelixActually: your situation is hub (in the PC) to hub (external)
10:37<minimal>I use an active cable here for a printer and it works fine but that is device-to-hub
10:37<scorpion2185[m]>Sometimes when resuming for hibernation the mouse sensitivity is reset, can I run a command when resuming hiebrnation?
10:40<Tj>active USB cables are effectively transparent hubs (repeating the signal)
10:40<minimal>FelixActually: there are explanation of USB cable lengths, active cables etc here: https://www.yourcablestore.com/USB-Cable-Length-Limitations-And-How-To-Break-Them_ep_42-1.html
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10:43<minimal>FelixActually: what hub cable? There is a 5m active cable from computer USB port to powered Hub, correct? So where does the 1.5m "hub cable" go between?
10:45<FelixActually>5 metre USB cable with port plugged into computer, USB cable plug connected to port of USB hub's cable, USB hub's other port which is a different shape connected to the ub
10:45<FelixActually>*hub
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10:46<minimal>"USB hub's other port which is a different shape connected to the hub"? the hub's other port is connected to itself? or to another hub?
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10:47<FelixActually>The USB hub came with a cable with two ports, one of which is a standard USB port which would go into a computer USB port and the other being a flatter shape
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10:48<FelixActually>I was plugging the standard end into the port end of the active cable
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10:49<minimal>and connected the "flatter shape connector" where?
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10:49<FelixActually>To the corresponding port of that shape on the hub
10:50<minimal>have you looked at "lsusb -t" output to see the topology of the whole set of connections? i.e. how many "hubs" in sequence
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10:51<minimal>FelixaActually: I am confused, you appear to be saying you have connected the "flatter shape" connector of a cable coming from the powered USB hub back into another port of the *same* powered hub
10:52<FelixActually>The USB hub has four "standard" ports and one port for the flatter USB plug which is on one end of the cable which came with it
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10:55<shad0wfx>hi
10:55<minimal>you haven't answered my question though, you have a cable with a flat connector which you said you plugged into a flat connector port of the powered USB hub but you have not clarified what is connected to the other end of that flat connector cable
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10:56<FelixActually>The cable has two plugs
10:56<Tj>FelixActually: is the upstream port (the one connecting to the PC) on the USB3 hub USB-C
10:56<FelixActually>One is the flatter one which goes into USB hub and the other is the "standard" one which goes into one of the computer's ports
10:57<FelixActually>Tj: Not sure what you mean
10:57<Tj>FelixActually: sounds like you're talking about USB type-A vs type-B connectors but it is confusing
10:58<minimal>FelixActually: "The cable has two plugs" - you mean the cable has 2 plugs in total? (one per end) or that the cable has 3 plugs (2 at one end, 1 at the other)?
10:58<Tj>FelixActually: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_hardware#Connector_types
10:59<Tj>minimal: sounds to be like a Y-cable with USB-A and USB-B or USB-a and USB-C at one end
10:59<FelixActually>The cable has two plugs in total
11:00<Tj>FelixActually: and you choose one of those 2 plugs to connect to the PC?
11:01<FelixActually>There's only one plug on the cable that came with the USB hub that can go into the PC
11:01<FelixActually>The "standard" one
11:01<FelixActually>The other one connects to the USB hub
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11:02<Tj>FelixActually: would this be the plug-end that connects to the PC? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_hardware#/media/File:USB_3.0_Type-A_receptacle_blue.svg
11:03<shad0wfx>If it fits its the right one..
11:04<FelixActually>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Usb_connectors.JPG
11:04<FelixActually>The second-to-last-one in this image
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11:05<Tj>FelixActually: the 5th? that's a USB 1.1/2 USB-A
11:05<FelixActually>It looks similar to that at least
11:05<FelixActually>It has the blue part indicating it's 3.x
11:05<Tj>FelixActually: does it have a blue tab inside?
11:06<Tj>FelixActually: OK, so it has more pins as well, on the reverse side of the tab
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11:06<FelixActually>What are we attempting to establish right now though?
11:06<FelixActually>I'm a bit lost
11:08<Tj>That the link is USB 3 all the way through, to begin with, since you are daisy-chaining 2 cables
11:08<FelixActually>Oh, okay
11:08<FelixActually>It is
11:09<FelixActually>Although if the computer doesn't have USB 3 ports is that a problem?
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11:09<minimal>FelixActually: did you look at "lsusb -t"?
11:09<FelixActually>I would have to mess with things again to check that
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11:09<FelixActually>I currently have the mouse plugged into the active cable and the keyboard plugged into the hub
11:09<Tj>FelixActually: that is the next thing I was going to ask... in /theory/ it would be OK but with an active USB*3* transparent hub in the link I'm not sure how the USB2 hub in the PC would see that.
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11:10<FelixActually>So you think that's why it doesn't work?
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11:10<FelixActually>Actually, I wonder if there are USB 3 ports at the back of this PC
11:10<FelixActually>It's in an awkward position for me to check that though
11:11<Tj>FelixActually: you should be able to check that from Linux
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11:12<FelixActually>How can I do that?
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11:16<minimal>FelixActually: lsusb -t would show you any hubs in sequence
11:16<FelixActually>"3.0 root hub"
11:16<FelixActually>I guess there are 3.0 ones at the back then
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11:16<FelixActually>I might as well try it
11:17<minimal>USB3 has *shorter* maximum distance limitations
11:17<FelixActually>What's the maximum?
11:18<Tj>FelixActually: check the ports with:
11:18<Tj>for s in /sys/bus/usb/devices/usb?; do if cat $s/speed | grep -q 5000; then echo "Superspeed: $s"; grep . $s/*\:*/*port?/connect_type; fi; done
11:18<FelixActually>Whatever you just said, it scares me
11:19<Tj>FelixActually: it finds superspeed hubs and then reports on the type of each port
11:19<FelixActually>Would that accomplish the same thing as lsusb -t?
11:20<Tj>FelixActually: no, lsusb doesn't report unused ports
11:21<FelixActually>It listed some USB 3 ones though
11:21<FelixActually>With nothing connected
11:22<minimal>that link I posted details max cable lengths
11:23<Tj>FelixActually: lsusb -t would report root_hubs on the controllers but not any ports on those hubs, unless a device is connected to the port
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11:27<Tj>I've refined the shell script, previous version doesn't report 10G speed hubs.
11:28<Tj>for s in /sys/bus/usb/devices/usb?; do speed=$(cat $s/speed); if [[ $speed -ge 5000 ]]; then echo "Superspeed: $s $speed"; grep . $s/*\:*/*port?/connect_type; fi; done
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11:34<FelixActually>I guess it was that easy
11:34<FelixActually>I plugged it into a USB 3 port and it works now
11:34<FelixActually>Both my keyboard and mouse are plugged in and working
11:34<FelixActually>I didn't think this computer had USB 3 ports
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11:41<FluffyFoxeh>How do I stop Debian 11's sudo from sending an e-mail when someone Ctrl-C's out of a sudo prompt ("a password is required")?
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11:42<FluffyFoxeh>This was not an error in Debian 10-
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11:48<bremner>man
11:48<bremner>oops
11:49<FelixActually>no manual entry for oops
11:51<bremner>lame
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14:01<aluk4>Bullseye 11 did/does not detect the second HDD during/after install beside Windows 10. Windows 10 sees both the SDD and the 2nd HDD. What/where should I configure for the HDD to be detected. My machine is Acer A515-56. Thanks.
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14:01<cc>does it not show up in fdisk -l
14:02<aluk4>No, it does not.
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14:06<sney>look in dmesg for driver errors, firmware warnings etc
14:08<aluk4>To add: the SDD partitions are given as /dev/nvme0n1p1, different from the usual /dev/sdXX. All external USB drives are detected with the usual designation
14:08<cc>might be some weird bios/uefi config
14:09<cc>like some sort of RAID
14:09<sney>nvme support is mostly fine in bullseye, it's been around for a while now and the 5.10 kernel is pretty current
14:10<aluk4>It has InsydeH20 Bios, version 1.17
14:10<sney>oh wait, this is a dual boot system, did you make sure to disable windows fast boot? that can cause many different hardware detection issues
14:13<aluk4>Yes, it is dual boot. I believe I disabled fast boot; can't recall. But I did disable secure boot.
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14:13<sney>secure boot has been supported since debian 8 or 9, that doesn't matter. go check fast boot.
14:13<jada>is there experienced user to help with irc connection?
14:13<sney>fast boot uses some caching stuff with the efi that can prevent linux from properly accessing devices.
14:14<somiaj>fast boot can also be a pain to disable, to me I had to actually run a command in cmd to do it, just using the menus didn't disable it for me
14:14<somiaj>disable it fully
14:15<sney>jada: if you need help with oftc go to #oftc
14:15<jada>thank you
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15:00<aluk4>Back again, with my no-detect-2nd-HDD issue with Bullseye 11 multi-boot with Windows 10. My InsydeH2O v. 1.17 BIOS is set: No Fast Boot, & No Secure Boot. Windows 10 sees both the SSD and HDD. Bullseye sees only the SDD.
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15:04<Sqrt{not}>aluk4, did you take a look in dmesg for any relevant messages?
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15:14<Tj>aluk4: is it using some Intel 'RAID' RST driver rather than AHCI? that's the usual case
15:14<Tj>aluk4: there's normal a kernel message saying you need to change the mode to AHCI
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15:19<aluk4>I've looked at dmesg - problem firmware entries are about other devices/hardware, not storage. The AHCI entries seem ok - no error messages.
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15:19<Tj>aluk4: can you share the kernel log? " journalctl -k | nc termbin.com 9999 "
15:21<aluk4>There's SCSI host0, host1 entries for the SSD and HDD respectively I think, but without error flags.
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15:25<aluk4>Ok. I've run the journalctl command.
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15:29<sney>aluk4: you should get a url from termbin to share here
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15:47<aluk4>How do I do that - getting the termbin url?
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15:49<sney>aluk4: it should have printed to your shell when you ran 'journalctl -k | nc termbin.com 9999'
15:51<aluk4>Thanks. I'll run it again. Here it is: https://termbin.com/bfah
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16:03<Tj>Pro-tip for others caught out by being unable to create a nested LVM PV in an LV - use "pvcreate --config "devices/scan_lvs=1" /dev/mapper/$VG-$LV" - see /etc/lvm/lvm.conf for the full info on scan_lvs.
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16:05<Tj>aluk4: " ata1.00: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x4)"
16:11<Tj>aluk4: earlier "pci 10000:e0:1c.4: BAR 13: failed to assign [io size 0x1000]" and similar errors near there may be related
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16:21<Sqrt{not}>aluk4, also, the problem with windows fast boot is that you must disable it from within windows. you said above you disabled fast boot in the BIOS, but also see these instructions:
16:21<Sqrt{not}>%fast boot
16:21<dselect>Windows fast startup is enabled by default and will interfere with a dual-boot linux installation, and risks damaging the Windows filesystems during dual boot. Disable it with the instructions here: https://www.windowscentral.com/how-disable-windows-10-fast-startup See this section of the buster installation guide: https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch03s06.en.html#disable-fast-boot
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16:27<Unknown>how old is buster?
16:28<Unknown>!buster
16:28<dpkg>Buster is the codename for the <oldstable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06. "Buster" is Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianBuster . Ask me about <install buster>, <release notes>, <stretch->buster>. <apt suite changed>
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16:32<aluk4>Thank you all, very much. I'll go into Windows and take out fast boot.
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17:38<esselfe>Hi, when I use su it takes about 1m20s but with sudo it's instantaneous, any ideas?
17:39<esselfe>(bullseye)
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17:39<Booda>sudo su -
17:40<Sqrt{not}>no, that is stupid.
17:40<sney>!sudo su
17:40<dpkg>Typing "sudo su" is like typing "cat file | cat". If you want a non-login shell as root, just use "sudo -s". If you want a login shell, "sudo -i". There's no need to run two different superuser-elevation programs chained back to back. See also <buster su>
17:40<sney>esselfe: sometimes dns timeouts can do this
17:40<esselfe>sudo su also takes forever
17:40<mason>sudo su -c "bash -l"
17:40<esselfe>using su as root works
17:41<esselfe>but not as a normal user
17:41<Sqrt{not}>%buster su
17:41<dselect>Starting with buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details.
17:41<esselfe>yeah I always use 'su -'
17:41<mason>sorry, sudo su -lc "bash -l"
17:42<Sqrt{not}>mason, stop it. that is bad advice
17:42<esselfe>mason: also hangs
17:42<Sqrt{not}>esselfe, ignore mason, they are trolling.
17:42<esselfe>let me try to strace it :P
17:42<esselfe>ok
17:44<esselfe>well from strace I get auth failure although the password is right
17:44<esselfe>like it asks for a password then comes the shell very late
17:45<Sqrt{not}>esselfe, what did you strace? and which password did you enter?
17:45<esselfe>'strace -f "su -"
17:45<esselfe>oh without double quotes
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17:46<Sqrt{not}>esselfe, did you enter the correct root password?
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17:46<esselfe>yes, quadruple checked also used passwd to set it again
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17:47<esselfe>it's weird that the auth fails with strace
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17:49<Sqrt{not}>esselfe, can you login as root at a text login terminal, using that password?
17:50<esselfe>it's on a server on DigitalOcean, I only have the VNC via web and ssh to a normal user via terminal
17:51<esselfe>the vnc way autologs in a a normal user
17:51<esselfe>autologins*
17:51<esselfe>the password is good because it gives me root after 1m20s
17:52<esselfe>(not with strace though)
17:53<Sqrt{not}>esselfe, what about with sudo? how do you do that, and does it work OK?
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17:54<esselfe>yes, I can use 'sudo -i' with the normal user's password
17:55<esselfe>it's just annoying because that user's password is quite long, as I ssh in with keys, then use su normally
17:55<Sqrt{not}>that sounds like the way to go then ;) is there any reason to use the "su -" way instead?
17:55<esselfe>for the shorter password
17:56<esselfe>I'd really like to fix it
17:56<esselfe>oh maybe targetpw in sudoers can do it
17:56<esselfe>just thought about that!
17:56<esselfe>then I'd use 'sudo -i' :)
17:57<esselfe>but it's still not fixed...
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17:59<Sqrt{not}>esselfe, if you are logging in only via ssh with keys, why does the normal user password need to be long and complicated?
18:01<esselfe>because I don't normally use it with password, so I once thought to make it safer and though ssh config option "PermitRootLogin no" would do it
18:01<esselfe>anyway I'm happy now :)
18:02<esselfe>thanks for your time
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20:59<deb>hi
20:59<deb>I need to install Debian 6.0.10 (squeeze)
21:00<deb>and some packages like libssl libdb
21:00<deb>can I install the packages or the repositories are inaccessible
21:00<deb>?
21:01<somiaj>!archive.debian.org
21:01<dpkg>Debian has archives of no-longer-supported releases at http://archive.debian.org/ . To use with <APT>, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For old versions of specific packages, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ [for DFSG free ISOs] or https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/archive/ [for non-free images]
21:01<somiaj>you can find old install images there, though you have to manually change the mirror to archive
21:03<deb>yeah, I downloading now amd64-DVD-1.iso
21:03<deb>I don't understands what is DVD-2.iso DVD-3.iso etc
21:04<somiaj>Just more packages
21:04<somiaj>though only dvd 1 has an installer on it
21:04<deb>https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.10/amd64/iso-dvd/
21:04<deb>nice
21:04<somiaj>most popular packages on DVD1, and as they get less and less popular they are put on later dvd's. Though since you are most likely going to use the archive mirror, even the netinstall iamge is enough (just use it to install a base system)
21:05<deb>netinstall automatically use archive.debian.org?
21:06<somiaj>no
21:06<deb>:/
21:07<somiaj>but you don't need the network to use the netinstall to install a minimial base system
21:07<somiaj>my prefered method -> install minmial base system with netinstall, reboot into it, update sources.list, install the other software you want
21:08<deb>I have to compile bitcoind and later move it to Debian 11 to run it. I can't compile old version of bitcoind in Debian 11
21:08<somiaj>You could probably just do that in a chroot, and not even have to do an install using debootstrap
21:09<deb>I prefer to do properly in a virtual machine
21:10<deb>thanks for your quick response somiaj
21:12<deb>http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/
21:12<deb>this ^?
21:12<somiaj>!squeeze sources.list
21:12<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main". Put "Acquire::Check-Valid-Until false;" in /etc/apt/apt.conf and run «aptitude update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <squeeze-lts> <squeeze-updates> and "man sources.list".
21:12<deb>:)
21:12<deb>you rock!
21:13<deb>lts definitelly will not work
21:13<somiaj>that isn't what that says, all the lts packages have also been coppied to archive
21:14<somiaj>and squeeze was just the first lts release, so it had a seperate repo, future ones the lts packages are just put into the main repo
21:14<deb>nice
21:14<somiaj>you don't need it, but it would contain any lts bug fixes/security updates (not that you expect it to be secure anymore)
21:15<deb>I just have to compile bitcoind nothing else when I get the compiled file I simply move it to Debian 11 and run it there
21:16<FelixActually>Why do you have to use such an old Debian version for that?
21:16<deb>Because I need Bitcoin version 0.8.1
21:17<FelixActually>And you can't compile that on Debian 11?
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21:17<deb>no, I can't
21:17<deb>would be better
21:17<FelixActually>So why do you need that version specifically?
21:17<deb>because that is the oldest version of bitcoind which can be run today
21:18<FelixActually>But why do you need to run it?
21:20<deb>because I reject the current development in Bitcoin, they merged segwit, now they merging taproot... all without consensus, the protocol has dramatically changed since 2014 because of Blockstream Inc and I reject that, so I run the oldest version possible
21:21<FelixActually>Okay
21:21<deb>:)
21:21<FelixActually>Are there no forks which resolve these issues?
21:21<deb>no
21:21<deb>zero
21:22<FelixActually>That's unfortunate
21:25<FelixActually>Perhaps if you have understanding of programming (or the correct mindset to learn it) you could try to start your own fork for resolving these issues
21:25<FelixActually>And hopefully other people would join you in developing it
21:25<deb>the only option we have is to go back to 0.8.1 and start again from there, I feel like some kind of guardian who defending the blockchain from future protocol changes, while it is less secure (and no UI or wallet will be enabled) I still recommend not to use the software which distributed by bitcoincore.org which founded around 2014, in fact they kicked Gavin Andresen from the GitHub repository not long after that, Gavin released Bitcoin 0.8.1
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21:27<abff>just use monero :p
21:27<deb>no thanks
21:27<deb>I come to debian to ask about Debian 6 and I got answer, I needed that to compile bitcoind, I'm not interested in anything else.
21:28<abff>I know just meming
21:28<deb>in fact I have to go, thanks everyone!
21:28<abff>good luck
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