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00:00<kmf58>ola
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00:08<Sqrt{not}>hi kmf58
00:08<kmf58>hi
00:09<kmf58>how is it doing
00:13<sussudio>!chat
00:13<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic or #moocows; or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/
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00:17<tzf>sussudio, my issue is not from Debian but from the router modem wifi box... Sorry for disturbing
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02:00<twb>Is it possible to make "man -Tpdf bash" work for zh_CN locale?
02:01<twb>When I try it, all Chinese characters are lost from the PDF. I don't know if this can be fixed with more fonts or something.
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02:08<sussudio>twb: have you tried adding --encoding=utf8
02:09<sussudio>also, i don't see pdf as an option for -T
02:13<twb>--encoding=utf8 seems to make it emit text/plain instead of text/pdf
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02:21<sussudio>first google result says man -Tpdf man >man.pdf
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03:19<alan92>Hi, I get "Enter password to unlock your login keyring" box when I start Google Chrome. This is Buster x64, I'm NOT using autologin. How do I solve this for good?
03:20<twb>sussudio: yes but that only works for Latin scripts
03:21<twb>sussudio: try man -Tpdf /usr/share/man/zh_CN/man1/bash.1.gz >tmp.pdf
03:21<twb>alan92: chrome is trying to unlock your gnome keyring
03:21<alan92>I'm using xfce, is that why it happens every time?
03:21<twb>alan92: I get it as well, but only once per restart, so I just cancel out of it
03:22<twb>alan92: can you reproduce with Debian software?
03:22<twb>alan92: e.g. "apt install chromium"
03:22<alan92>but chrome != chromium
03:23<twb>alan92: right. Chrome is not supported here.
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03:36<Tas-sos>Hello Debian community! o/
03:36<Tas-sos>I've a script that when ends return some exit codes, can I push/force it with some trick to return every time 0 ?
03:36<Tas-sos>with some pipeline ro something.. ?
03:38<themill>`my-bad-script || true` suppresses exit code failures (assuming it is being run through a shell)
03:40<themill>(we also discourage cross-posting questions btw)
03:40<twb>Tas-sos: is this in a systemd unit?
03:41<twb>SuccessExitStatus=42 # it's OK for this program to exit(42) instead of exit(0)
03:42<twb>If it's not a systemd unit, you could do a similar thing with || (($? = 42)) to check a specific exit status
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03:42<twb>Or just ||: or ||true to ignore ALL error codes, as themill suggested
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03:51<twb>Can rhythmbox play ytdl:// URLs, like mpv and vlc?
03:52<twb>It doesn't discover a .m3u full of those just droppde into ~/Music/, anyway
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04:06<twb>Weird. Seems like if I just drop music in there, I have to "import" it, even though that's where rhythmbox imports it to
04:06<twb>And I expect that just adds it to the giant .xml file that represents all state in rhythmbox... :(
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04:16<coc0nut>willl never version of python be implemented anytime soon ? hasnt python 3.10 come out?
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04:22<twb>"Python 3.10.0 Release Date: Oct. 4, 2021"
04:22<sussudio>"unlock your gnome keyring" sounds vaguely rapey.
04:22<twb>coc0nut: are you asking about Python in Debian 11, or Python in Debian?
04:23<grove>coc0nut: Bullseye is stable, that includes not getting new versions of stuff (including python) - testing/unstable already has Python 3.9 (Bullseye has 3.7), and they will probably get 3.10, but they are off-topic here, go to #debian-next
04:23<ansgar>grove: Bullseye has Python 3.9 too. Buster has 3.7.
04:23<ansgar>You missed the last two years :)
04:23<twb>two many "b" codenames
04:23<twb>*twoo
04:24<twb>aaaaaaargh
04:24<ansgar>"You are unsure whether to use two or too? Just write twoo!" :)
04:24<coc0nut>using debian 11 stable.
04:25<twb>coc0nut: debian 11 is very unlikely to get Python 3.10, except possible as opt-in "backport"
04:25<grove>ansgar: Well, I did check what `rmadison` has to say, just confused the lines for Buster and Bullseye
04:25<coc0nut>ok :)
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04:28<grove>(rmadison says the version in stable+testing+unstable is 3.9.2-3, but also that there's a 3.9.4-1 in experimental, so it shows that something is happening)
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04:29<coc0nut>i think even python 3.10 still is unstable
04:29<coc0nut>yet to release the final 3.10
04:30<twb>coc0nut: python.org seems to disagree, unless .0 is special
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04:32<coc0nut>https://computingforgeeks.com/how-to-install-python-on-debian-linux/ <- this article is from 14 october where it says Python 3.10 is the latest release version of Python but not stable as compared to the previous version Python 3.9, the final candidate is yet to be completed soon.
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04:36<coc0nut>id rather use the repo than installing some unstable stuff. debian 11 is quite new :) was just wondering if they would upgrade to 3.10 in stable repo.
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04:53<dreamer>of course not
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04:53<dreamer>debian11 will be on py39
04:53<dreamer>it'll only do bugfix releases
04:54<dreamer>debian12 will probably have py11 then? ;)
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04:57<twb>probably
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05:55<guardian>Hello, is this Vagrant box created by the Debian project? https://app.vagrantup.com/debian/boxes/bullseye64
05:55<twb>I don't know, but https://cloud.debian.org/images/cloud/ are official
05:56<twb>Does vagrant not have some better authentication mechanism than "ask strangers on IRC" ?
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05:57<guardian>the page say nothing so I'm defaulting to asking here :|
05:59<twb>I looked at it and I don't see anything either. On that basis my knee-jerk reaction is 1) that image can't be trusted; and 2) ALL OF VAGRANT probably can't be trusted, if they care so little
05:59<guardian>alright in fact https://app.vagrantup.com/debian makes it sound like it's official
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05:59<twb>I don't see anything like "announcement: new image" on https://lists.debian.org/debian-cloud/
06:00<twb>"maintained by Debian Developers but are not yet an official part of the Debian project."
06:00<twb>guardian: OK so they could still be completely crazy
06:00<twb>But it's at least someon who passed the DD exam
06:00<twb>(Assuming you trust their self-reported state :-)
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06:05<guardian>anyway, I asked because I wanted to report a bug about locales... and I suddently remembered I had `SendEnv LC_ALL` in my ~/.ssh/config
06:05<guardian>sorry for all that noise :(
06:05<otisolsen70>Is there an easy way to configure something globally so that everything that is run as a certain user is given a certain nice (and maybe ionice) value? Could I set something in the user's login shell perhaps?
06:05<twb>guardian: no worries; I know exactly the error you mean
06:06<twb>otisolsen70: not easily
06:06<otisolsen70>twb, ok. :/
06:07<twb>otisolsen70: "systemctl edit user@1000.service" would work for some GUI and SSH logins
06:07<twb>otisolsen70: are you trying raise niceness, or lower it?
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06:08<otisolsen70>twb, raise niceness. (ie. lower prio)
06:09<twb>Is this for a GUI user?
06:09<otisolsen70>twb, I would like it to work for cronjobs as well
06:09<otisolsen70>twb, not really GUI. I hardly use GUI at all on this machine
06:09<twb>cron jobs are easy, just add "nice" in front of the command
06:09<otisolsen70>twb, yes. But I want something that works even if the user forgets to put nice in front of it
06:09<guardian>Now I'm curious. I have at least 2 ways to prevent my problem from happening again: changing sshd_config to comment out "AcceptEnv LANG LC_*" or generating at least the en_US.UTF-8 locale when provisioning the Vagrant box. And both ways involve using perl or sed to replace text in config files. Is there something more straightforward?
06:09<otisolsen70>twb, that is why I considered putting something in their login shell
06:09<twb>Or even something like "chronic nice ionice -c3 chrt --idle 0 nocache do-bad-thing"
06:10<otisolsen70>chronic?
06:10<twb>otisolsen70: https://manpages.debian.org/chronic
06:10<otisolsen70>twb, thanks
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06:11<twb>guardian: you shouldn't be setting LC_ALL normally
06:11<otisolsen70>twb, nice command. Did not know it.
06:11<twb>guardian: default locales can be set via a preseed. ssh-server can be configured via dropin
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06:12<twb>guardian: e.g. https://github.com/cyberitsolutions/bootstrap2020/blob/main/debian-11-main.py#L288-L293
06:13<twb>e.g. https://github.com/cyberitsolutions/bootstrap2020/blob/main/debian-11-main/openssh-hardening.conf.tarinfo https://github.com/cyberitsolutions/bootstrap2020/blob/main/debian-11-main/openssh-hardening.conf
06:13<twb>(Sorry those URLs are so long)
06:13<twb>I'm not sure if AcceptEnv can be patched via dropin; the other option is ansible
06:13<twb>er, augease
06:14<twb>Of course you could also just switch to tinysshd which probably doesn't support locales in the first place
06:14<twb>And is about 10MB smaller
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06:15<guardian>well I could provision a Vagrant box myself. I did that a while ago with Packer and preseeding. But in this project it's convenient to just pick the box from hashicorp's servers
06:16<guardian>but yeah maybe the culprit is SendEnv LC_ALL
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06:16<guardian>I don't remember why I added that to ~/.ssh/config
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06:27<Gan0nk>hello All
06:27<Gan0nk>anyone can help me..
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06:32<filePeter>Gan0nk: Sure, ask ahead.
06:32<Anarka>.ask
06:32<Anarka>meh :)
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06:44<bentham>Most of us don't respond to people who don't bother to give us something to which it is worth responding.
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07:43<at0m>Anarka: !$factoid has dpkg respond, ,$factoid for judd. so, !ask
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08:52<aloo_shu>I wonder if we can have a factoid telling helpers that it is far friendlier, and often even faster and less disruptive, to talk to a newcomer than to throw a factoid at them first thing
08:57<mosasaur>metafactoids
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09:00<bremner>aloo_shu: feel free to do that yourself of course, but don't expect volunteers to enjoy being "managed"
09:01<aloo_shu>right on, so then, why would support seekers enjoy it
09:01<bremner>well, support seekers are getting free labour.
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09:02<bremner>I'm not saying people should be rude, just that it is very easy to appear entitled, which is not a good thing
09:02<bremner>anyway, this is all somewhat offtopic for this channel.
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09:08<twb>is eclipse not in debian 11? Or did its name change or something?
09:08<bremner>maybe not. It's famously hard to package
09:09<twb>There's about 80 libeclipse-foo-bar packages but nothing just "eclipse"
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09:12<twb>What's that thing ipython got rebranded as... it's misspelt... ah "jupyter"
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10:45<twb>https://www.openstenoproject.org/ if you want to try it on your rando 6KRO USB keyboard
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11:00<Human_G33k>hi for make some test i want to know if there is a way to know disk space needed for a full installation (all packages) and a way to have a simulation about size needed by partitions.
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11:09<imMute>Human_G33k: it's impossible to install every package provided by Debian. and nobody installs everything they actually can install.
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11:14<Human_G33k>imMute: i know about conflict. I don't care what people do. I know what i want to do …
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11:15<imMute>no, there's no way to know how much disk space an impossible situation takes up. becasue it's impossible
11:16<imMute>Human_G33k: what are you actually trying to do?
11:17<Human_G33k>know how many space disk is needed where for install all possible package.
11:17<tzf>Just give a try !
11:18<mosasaur>if there's reproducible builds, it would be possible
11:18<imMute>there's no such "all possible packages". for example, if package Foo and package Bar are both optional, but can't both be installed at the same time - which one would be included in "all possible packages" ?
11:18<Human_G33k>humm let me think
11:18<Human_G33k>the one taking most space
11:18<imMute>mosasaur: you have to actually install packages to see how much space they take up - some packages do stuff in postinst that wouldn't be reflected in the Installed-Size
11:19<imMute>Human_G33k: what about a more complicated situation involving dependencies where Foo is bigger than Bar, but installing Bar pulls in more packages ultimately resulting in more disk space usage.
11:19<imMute>the whole point I'm trying to make is what you're asking for isn't actually useful. how much disk space you need is dependent on what you actually want to install
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11:19<Human_G33k>so you tell me there is no way for me to calculate it ?
11:20<imMute>Human_G33k: correct.
11:20<Human_G33k>debian is as bad as that Oo
11:20<mosasaur>imMute: what part of reproducible don't you understand /s
11:20<tzf>Lol
11:21<Human_G33k>i prefer mosasaur ^^
11:21<imMute>mosasaur: I know what a reproducible build is. reproducible builds means the .deb is identical, not what gets installed on the system
11:22<Human_G33k>imMute: i guess we can at least make some calculation about what is needed
11:22<Human_G33k>for ie package size + max 2% size
11:23<imMute>Human_G33k: the package indices list an Installed-Size for each package. that would be the size of the files that the package extracts (*not* including stuff created by postinst). you could write a script to look at that data and try to follow dependencies. I dunno what you're going to gain from it though.
11:23<tzf>Human_G33k, you even want install Gnome, KDE, Xfce and co... All together ???
11:23<Human_G33k>tzf: yes is part of the plan
11:24<tzf>Hehe, nice!
11:24<tzf>Do you have a 2TB HDD ?
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11:24<mosasaur>maybe use statically built packages
11:25<Human_G33k>tzf: more several 16 To
11:25<Human_G33k>also i already calculate i will need more than 75 To for a full mirror
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11:25<tzf>Supa ! Den do it !!! Message me to give an update, I am I terested to no about it
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11:26<imMute>Human_G33k: that's way more than you need to mirror Debian
11:26<tzf>75T??? Oh....
11:26<imMute>Human_G33k: https://www.debian.org/mirror/size says you need a little under 4 TB to mirror Debian.
11:27<tzf>I see...
11:27<imMute>Also, wtf is a "To" ? I assume you meant "TB" ?
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11:28<Human_G33k>yes to
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11:29<Human_G33k>the mirror i want will embed more stuff.
11:29<imMute>Human_G33k: What is "75 To" ?
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11:29<Human_G33k>bytes
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11:30<tzf>Terra octets ?
11:30<imMute>Human_G33k: It's spelled "TB". Not "To" and not "Tb" either.
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11:34<Human_G33k>In french To because bytes == octets
11:34<Human_G33k>my bad
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12:44<Ehdinayan>hello peopple
12:45<Ehdinayan>am I in or not
12:47<bremner>yes
12:49<Ehdinayan>Oh cool, thanks. I was searching for help in order to get BCM4352 firmware for Debian develop branch, I am not finding it
12:50<Ehdinayan>I am in kernel 5.14.0-2 in Sparky Linux Game over edition
12:50<Ehdinayan>based on this Debian branch
12:51<Ehdinayan>Does anyone know where to find out thank you very much
12:51<imMute>Ehdinayan: generally this channel doesn't/can't support other distros, even if they're based on Debian.
12:52<Ehdinayan>Ok can I make a DEbian distro question?
12:52<imMute>Ehdinayan: that said, I googled "Sparky Linux BCM4352 firmware" and this page came up: https://tutorialforlinux.com/2021/08/13/broadcom-wl-driver-sparkylinux-installation-step-by-step/ maybe that'll help
12:52<imMute>and of course you can ask Debian distro questions in here.
12:54<Ehdinayan>Well Inmute I am not so cool doin searchsthatś quite clear thanks jajaj
12:54<Ehdinayan>Looks fine thanks
12:56<Ehdinayan>But I would like to Know if it is possible there is some firmware for Debian Stable wich is not available for Develop branch, and if it is the case should I try to install Stable firmware in Develop branch if module will be auto-builded according to kernell?
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12:59<imMute>you should not mix packages between versions of a distro and definitely not across distros
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15:16<BadPractice>hey
15:16<BadPractice>anyone here?
15:17<sarnold>a few hundred people..
15:17<BadPractice>i think i broke my debian on a autoremove https://pastebin.com/3S1eS7t2
15:19<BadPractice>im worried specially about the grub errors
15:19<sarnold>wow that's a lot of errors in what I thought would be pretty simple output..
15:19<bentham>BadPractice: Hm. What does 'mount' say?
15:20<BadPractice>https://pastebin.com/QFZrHvPs
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15:21<BadPractice>apperently i was not supposed to autoremove beforerestarting and switching the kernel
15:21<sarnold>I'd hope autoremove wouldn't remove the kernel you're currently running
15:21<sarnold>(though I can't promise that..)
15:22<bentham>To be sure, what does 'uname -a' say?
15:23<BadPractice>sarnold, there is at least another (newer kernel) in /boot that has not gotten deleted
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15:23<BadPractice>bentham, Linux hufnagl-laptop 4.19.0-17-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.194-3 (2021-07-18) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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15:24<sarnold>aha cool cool. looks fine.
15:24<bentham>BadPractice: Thanks. It appears that you removed 4.19.0-16.
15:24<sarnold>(well, 'fine' in the sense that autoremove didn't remove the running kernel :)
15:24<bentham>And you are running 4.19.0-17.
15:24<bentham>I'm worried mostly about /dev/sda
15:25<BadPractice>bentham, me too. im worried i restart and grub is busted
15:25<bentham>What does 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' say?
15:25<sarnold>since there's an nvme drive with /boot it *feels* like the sda stuff is holdovers from an old configuration
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15:27<BadPractice>bentham, strange my system does not find fdisk although its installed
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15:27<bentham>BadPractice: /sbin/fdisk then
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15:29<BadPractice>bentham, no medium found
15:29<sarnold>that's a very cd-rom-ish thing to say :)
15:30<BadPractice>bentham, https://pastebin.com/KXTKVU7g
15:31<bentham>BadPractice: how about '/sbin/fdisk -l /dev/nvme0n1'
15:32<bentham>I've never used nvme. So maybe I'm out of my depth here.
15:32<sarnold>bentham: that's lines 2 through 13 in that output
15:33<BadPractice>grub-emu fails
15:33<bentham>Right. So maybe try grub-install /dev/nvme0n1
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15:34<sarnold>my guesses: (a) perhaps /dev/sda is now a cdrom drive, and perhaps it wasn't always a cdrom drive due to silly device names (b) grub config is still using sda even though it's not needed any more (because newer nvme drive)
15:34<BadPractice>bentham, https://pastebin.com/hZ8dPF3H
15:34<sarnold>if my guesses are right, perhaps dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc will do the trick
15:34<bentham>^^
15:35<bentham>What sarnold said.
15:37<BadPractice>sarnold, nope https://pastebin.com/PmdLgMCa
15:37<sarnold>argh
15:39<BadPractice>grub-emu just crashes...
15:40<bentham>What happens when you run grub-install /dev/nvme0n1?
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15:41<BadPractice>https://pastebin.com/ivpe3rwT
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15:43<bentham>BadPractice: Well, that is nice. Do you have a Debian installer or Debian Live system around, perhaps on a USB drive?
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15:44<BadPractice>bentham, found a usb stick with knoppix 8
15:45<bentham>I think you must tell grub to use /dev/nvme0n1 as the drive with the master boot record.
15:45<BadPractice>bentham, grub-emu still does not work
15:45<sarnold>what's grub-emu?
15:45<BadPractice>how does this happen?
15:46<BadPractice>error: no such device: dd3a6....
15:46<bentham>BadPractice: In my opinion, you should fix grub before you try to reboot. But in case you reboot first, at least you have a way to recover.
15:47<bentham>grub-emu - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (emulated version)
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15:47<BadPractice>bentham, if reboot now, i dont think the system will boot
15:48<bentham>BadPractice: I do believe that your grub is trying to write to /dev/sda, which is probably a cdrom drive or similar, as sarnold says.
15:48<BadPractice>bentham, i do not have a cd rom nor have i connected one
15:48<bentham>Maybe it is a USB drive. Either way, grub is confused.
15:49<bentham>You'll need to find someone here who is a grub expert for that.
15:51<BadPractice>bentham, i did connect a arduino that was ttyUSB
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15:51<BadPractice>i dont know what to do...
15:51<Tj>did someone call?
15:51<BadPractice>Tj, are you a grub expert?
15:52<Tj>BadPractice: an ex is a has-been and a spert is a drip under pressure
15:52<Tj>BadPractice: but I know a little about GRUB :)
15:52<sarnold>yay :)
15:52<BadPractice>Tj i did a apt-autoremove and my grub broke
15:53<sarnold>Tj: https://pastebin.com/3S1eS7t2 gobs of "/dev/sda: open failed: No medium found" errors..
15:53<bentham>but grub-install /dev/nvme0n1 seems to work
15:53<sarnold>Tj: other pastebins we've asked for along the way https://pastebin.com/QFZrHvPs https://pastebin.com/KXTKVU7g https://pastebin.com/hZ8dPF3H https://pastebin.com/PmdLgMCa https://pastebin.com/ivpe3rwT
15:53<BadPractice>Tj, and grub-emu fails
15:56<BadPractice>any idea?
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16:00<asterius>Hi, i'm searching for the bluebird window theme but I don't seem to find it despite installing all gtk themes available
16:00<asterius>Is there another source of download?
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16:01<BadPractice>so do i have to install a backup now? :(
16:01<at0m>asterius: like https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/bluebird-gtk-theme ?
16:01<BadPractice>Tj you are still there?
16:02<asterius>yes, like that
16:02<Tj>phew! sorry about that delay ... I'm in tmux, mis-pressed some keys and got stuck in some weird mode where I couldn't interact and couldn't figure out how to get out of it!!
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16:02<asterius>I cannot find that bluebird theme on the themes tab, I would like the blue ones
16:02<asterius>on the window borders
16:02<Tj>BadPractice: will look at your pastebins now
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16:05<Tj>BadPractice: can you show " { lsblk; sudo blkid; cat /boot/grub/device.map; } | nc termbin.com 9999 "
16:06<BadPractice>Tj, dosent that open a remote port? cant i just paste?
16:06<Tj>eh? no! it just sends the report to termbin so we can read it
16:07<bentham>BadPractice: Maybe you're thinking of 'nc -l'
16:08<BadPractice>https://termbin.com/8g1k
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16:09<BadPractice>also put out: /boot/grub/device.map: No such file or directory
16:09<Tj>BadPractice: so there is no sda; that means there's something else in the grub config with it hard coded
16:10<Tj>BadPractice: try this: "sudo grep -sarn sda /etc/default/grub* etc/grub.d/"
16:10<Tj>oops, typo
16:10<Tj>BadPractice: try this: "sudo grep -sarn sda /etc/default/grub* /etc/grub.d/"
16:11<BadPractice>Tj, no output
16:11<BadPractice>Tj, i dont think there ever was a /dev/sda. I have a cryptsetup
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16:13<Tj>BadPractice: precisely, and it doesn't get invented from nowhere. Usually you see that when there's a GRUB device.map with it in. So there must be something else. It doesn't look to affect the actual boot configuration but it would be good to fix
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16:14<BadPractice>Tj grub-emu fails
16:15<BadPractice>guess i have to reboot and be scared...
16:16<Tj>BadPractice: let's capture a shell log to see where it is coming from. "sudo bash -x /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig |& tee /tmp/grub.log "
16:17<Tj>BadPractice: this runs the script but doesn't change anything, and it has set the script to report every command it executes so we can see where it comes from
16:17<Tj>BadPractice: when it finishes share the log with "cat /tmp/grub.log | nc termbin.com 9999 "
16:18<BadPractice>Tj https://pastebin.com/1WiRxStA
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16:18<Tj>BadPractice: I cannot see things at pastebin.com; they fill the site with invasive ads and scripts so it is blocked
16:18<BadPractice>Tjh ttps://termbin.com/llvca
16:19<BadPractice>Tj https://termbin.com/llvca
16:19<Tj>Thanks :D
16:20<Tj>wow, that is weird. Obviously the mentions of /dev/sda are not in sync with when they were triggered since stdout and stderr are not syncheonised
16:21<BadPractice>so the config is okey?
16:21<BadPractice>Tj can the system reboot?
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16:24<Tj>BadPractice: possibly, but not clear yet what is wrong. What I do see, is when each script in /etc/grub.d/ is read it causes a trigger of exactly 8 /dev/sda reports
16:26<Tj>BadPractice: reboot should be fine though
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16:31<BadPractice>i sucessfully rebooted
16:31<BadPractice>grub-emu was wrong
16:32<BadPractice>stupid tool...
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16:32<sarnold>yay :)
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16:33<BadPractice>my heart
16:33<BadPractice>uff
16:33<BadPractice>i feel like a want to smoke a cigarette and im not smoking...
16:37<BadPractice>Tj thank you so much
16:40<Tj>BadPractice: I'd love to know how and why you see those /dev/sda messages - "no medium found" suggests it may be being confused with a cdrom device
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16:44<BadPractice>Tj mee too. Are you often here?
16:47<Tj>BadPractice: yes
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19:29<madduck>As of late, my Thinkpad (running unstable, Intel video) fails to turn on external monitors I plug in. X recognises them, XRandR can configure them, but the monitors themselves think they're suspended and don't receive a signal. Doesn't matter whether I use the DP output of the docking station, VGA there, or the built-in HDMI port.
19:30<madduck>has anyone experienced something like this?
19:30<sney>my t430 is a little unreliable with that, but the monitor always activates if I run xrandr
19:30<sney>also, unstable support is in #debian-next
19:31<madduck>okay, thanks for letting me know!
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19:52<calm-tedesco>hi :)
19:52<calm-tedesco>i am a noob running debian testing version for first time, i would like to report bugs etc, but i really don't know how to look if a bug in particular is already reported or how to debug an issue by myself....
19:52<calm-tedesco>for instance
19:53<calm-tedesco>i am seeing gsd-usb-protect segfaulting in the kernel buffer
19:56<themill>check bugs.debian.org
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19:59<mason>calm-tedesco: Check out #debian-next which is specifically for that sort of thing.
20:00<sney>calm-tedesco: the sid faq (https://deb.li/sidfaq) has a lot of general info about this, and links to more
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21:26<richard_h>are there tools that will give me information about a woff font file?
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21:27<sarnold>'file' knows enough to read some data out of them; not much, but depending upon what you want, maybe enough?
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21:27<richard_h>that's enough to tell me it's a woff font :-)
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21:28<sarnold>"Web Open Font Format, CFF, length 960, version 1.0" on one I had laying around
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21:28<richard_h>yep, similar but True Type
21:28<richard_h>I was hoping for the name of the font
21:29<richard_h>gnome-font-viewer does it
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21:34<themill>'fc-scan' can give you font names for ttf files
21:37<themill>«fc-scan -f '%{fullname}\n' foo.ttf» (but of course font names are complicated and there might be fields other than fullname that are really what you want)
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22:15<tuxd3v>since mesa merged support in Clover opencl driver for amd graphics( Image support ), its possible that we will see mesa clover package in debian?
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