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| 01:09 | <rogueny> | Hi friends, any idea if firefox is going to be updated tomorrow? its EOL for the current version |
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| 01:19 | <sussudio> | ,v firefox-esr |
| 01:19 | <judd> | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 78.14.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 78.14.0esr-1~deb11u1; bookworm: 78.14.0esr-1+b1; buster-security: 78.15.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye-proposed-updates: 78.15.0esr-1~deb11u1; bullseye-security: |
| 01:19 | <judd> | 78.15.0esr-1~deb11u1; experimental: 91.1.0esr-1; sid: 91.2.0esr-1+b1 |
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| 01:38 | <kidx> | any one know how to get the latest obs |
| 01:40 | <truth2> | kidx: What are "obs"? |
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| 01:41 | <kidx> | obs-studio |
| 01:47 | <truth2> | kidx, Thanks. I expect the answer depends on whether you're using Debian, and if so, which distribution. Debian's testing and unstable distributions seem to have version 27.1.3+dfsg1-1, much like https://obsproject.com/download |
| 01:49 | <truth2> | If you're using either Debian's testing or unstable distribution, maybe you could do root$ apt install obs-studio |
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| 01:51 | <truth2> | kidx, But, if you are using Debian's stable distribtuion, the following link might be interesting |
| 01:51 | <truth2> | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/8049/how-to-install-some-packages-from-unstable-debian-on-a-computer-running-stabl |
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| 02:33 | <ach> | need help can someone say wat wrong Nov 02 07:31:35 ServerL ddclient[41122]: WARNING: cannot connect to www.dynv6.com:80 socket: IO::Socket::INET: Bad hostname 'www.dynv6.com' |
| 02:34 | <SignumFera> | ach: That says the domain www.dyn6.com can not resolve. Looking on my pc I get the same result |
| 02:36 | <ach> | you have forgotten the v and over firefox it does? |
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| 02:38 | <SignumFera> | Only while retyping to IRC. Looks like the domain without the www resolves |
| 02:39 | <ach> | no |
| 02:41 | <sussudio> | ach: www.dynv6.com does not resolve. dynv6.com does, though. |
| 02:42 | <ach> | Nov 02 07:39:09 ServerL ddclient[41534]: WARNING: cannot connect to dynv6.com:80 socket: IO::Socket::INET: Bad hostname 'dynv6.com' |
| 02:42 | <SignumFera> | ach: https://nextcloud.net-it.co.za/s/gzX4Mj6pD8g79La www.dynv6.com failing to resolve in firefox |
| 02:43 | <sussudio> | it resolves here. this has nothing to do with debian... |
| 02:43 | <ach> | !o |
| 02:43 | <dpkg> | hmm... o is OH! |
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| 02:44 | <sussudio> | -!- Irssi: dynv6.com: 5.45.100.251 95.216.144.82 159.69.43.243 |
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| 02:47 | <SignumFera> | ach: Maybe see if the server you are running the ddclient on can resolve the hostname then troubleshoot from there? |
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| 02:59 | <ach> | it's quiet now till i will wait |
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| 04:03 | <Spartan> | Can anyone help me with debian 11 on dell G5SE? Ryzen5 4600H Amd Radeon 5600M |
| 04:03 | <dreamer> | that depends on what your issue is |
| 04:03 | <dreamer> | https://sol.gfxile.net/dontask.html |
| 04:04 | <Spartan> | Debian 11 is getting installed , but my CPU and GPU fan are not running |
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| 04:04 | <Spartan> | It's not spinning , and my laptop gets very hot |
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| 04:06 | <enyc> | Spartan: I *can* say 2 things -- (1) bios/uefi-firmware update can affect/fix these things etc (2) Ryzen 's can benefit from particularly new linux kernel, though I'd have thought debian11 5.10 kernel would be new-enough myself |
| 04:07 | <enyc> | As 'gaming edition' laptop maybe it was windows-centric in testing etc. good question |
| 04:08 | <Spartan> | Is there any other things to take control of fans manually? |
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| 04:09 | <enyc> | Spartan: fwiw I'd try booting pop-os 21.04/21.10 live-image, does that run fans while booted? or MX21 *AHS* [special new kernel] image, does that run fans while booted? |
| 04:09 | <enyc> | Spartan: there are ways, varies on system type, e.g. thinkpads have a particular acpi module |
| 04:09 | <enyc> | some systems expose via /sys and various fan control device classes etc etc |
| 04:09 | <cc> | https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dell_G5_SE_5505 has info about fan control |
| 04:10 | <enyc> | "The Dell G5SE-5505 laptop isn't working with usual fan managers" |
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| 04:12 | <Spartan> | I tried those arch wiki fan control things ending, but ending up like fans run continuously ... |
| 04:13 | <Spartan> | Even in windows, the fans won't work only the Alienware control center takes control for fans |
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| 05:05 | <Spartan> | Is there any website to check hardware compatibility for debian other than Arch wiki |
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| 06:29 | <RoyK> | ,v jmeter |
| 06:29 | <judd> | Package: jmeter on amd64 -- stretch: 2.13-2; bullseye: 2.13-4; buster: 2.13-4; bookworm: 2.13-5; sid: 2.13-5 |
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| 06:57 | <RoyK> | not sure if jmeter is still in debian - the current version is 5.4.1 and isn't really compatible with 2.13, that being from 2015 or thereabout |
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| 08:49 | <otisolsen70> | Is there an easy way to take an existing folder and "lift it into memory" e.g. by mounting it as tmpfs or ramfs so that whatever content is in there is also moved into memory? Example, if I mount /tmp as tmpfs, then /tmp will just be an empty folder mounted in memory. But whatever files were in there on the /tmp folder on the file system is no longer visible. I want to "lift" the folder to memory in place. Is that possible? |
| 08:53 | <ansgar> | otisolsen70: cp files on a tmpfs and make sure no swap or so exists? |
| 08:54 | <otisolsen70> | ansgar, this is what I came up with: mv /root/mem /root/mem2 && mkdir /root/mem && mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /root/mem && rsync -vaP /root/mem2/ /root/mem |
| 08:54 | <otisolsen70> | ansgar, but seems a bit cumbersome |
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| 09:03 | <at0m> | otisolsen70: and then, before umount'ing, rsync back? |
| 09:04 | <otisolsen70> | at0m, good point |
| 09:04 | <otisolsen70> | There is a lot of error handling to take care of here.... Is there no more elegant way of doing this? |
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| 09:13 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | Hey friends, I want to learn how to chain some commands to achieve a task, but I don't really know how the glue works and am missing a piece, too. This is my example: I have a .rss feed file that I want to find all .mp3 files in and then download those. I already used "rg .mp3 ." to get a list of all linked files inside (see here https://paste.debian.net/1217807/) and I know how to download files with wget. But the step in the midd |
| 09:13 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | missing. How and with what tool would you use to turn the list into just a raw "1.mp3 2.mp3 3.mp3" type line, and how would the passing along be done? (rg -> line-making -> wget) Thanks. :) |
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| 09:18 | <jm_> | flatbed_dizzy_avenue: text parsing tools, i.e. sed/awk/perl/... |
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| 09:19 | <at0m> | also, wouldn't wget regexp be able to just get urls matching a certain extension? |
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| 09:27 | <otisolsen70> | ansgar, what do you mean make sure no swap exists? |
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| 09:28 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | I was thinking that the middle step is probably in part what awk was made for. I wasn't around yet when old school unix cool was taught, so I was hoping that one of you might spell out a line of how my example would be done in practice, so that I can understand how it works by looking at that. |
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| 09:34 | <jm_> | «| awk '{print $3}'» will get you very close |
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| 09:51 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | jm_ if you don't mind I'll tell you what I have understood so far, and then if you feel so inclined you can help me with the next step. So with rg .mp3 . | awk '{print $3}' awk reads the output of rg and then prints the 3rd element of each line which contains the .mp3 link. Now what I am thinking is that to get this to be usable by wget I need to strip off everything outside the " " marks (task 1) and then pass that list to wget ( |
| 09:51 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | ). What doesn't seem to work for task 2 is just doing rg .mp3 . | awk ... | wget as wget doesn't seem to just read urls from stin properly. Is there a character I can put behind wget to make it read what came out of the pipe before? Or would some kind of Parentheses type syntax be used? like wget (rg .mp3 . | awk '{print $3}' | awk 'only the stuff inside "" ') |
| 09:53 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | I am reading https://man.openbsd.org/awk.1 to get an idea what awk can do, but I am having some trouble applying the high level concepts explained there to this specific task. |
| 09:53 | <jm_> | flatbed_dizzy_avenue: once you get it to print just URL-s, | while read u; do wget "$u"; done |
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| 09:55 | <jm_> | to strip the url= par you can also use something simpler like cut |
| 09:58 | <chrisgt> | | awk '{print $3}'|tr -d '"'url= |
| 09:58 | <chrisgt> | do that |
| 09:58 | <chrisgt> | and you'll get just the URL |
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| 09:58 | <jm_> | you can also do all of this in awk too |
| 09:58 | <chrisgt> | ten dump it to a file and do something like for $i in file; do wget $i |
| 10:00 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | yeah I assumed awk can do all the steps I am using rg awk and cut for right now. I'll do it like this first to understand the concept, then I'll be back for more |
| 10:01 | <jm_> | info gawk gives you a very good manual |
| 10:01 | <RoyK> | ,v postgresql |
| 10:01 | <judd> | Package: postgresql on amd64 -- stretch: 9.6+181+deb9u3; stretch-security: 9.6+181+deb9u3; buster-security: 11+200+deb10u3; buster: 11+200+deb10u4; bullseye: 13+225; bookworm: 13+230; sid: 14+231 |
| 10:02 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | Do info pages and man pages have different contents and purpose? |
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| 10:04 | <jm_> | in most cases yes, sometimes there's just one |
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| 10:10 | <grove> | flatbed_dizzy_avenue: I would go in (what seems to be, but I might not have read my backlog careful enough) a different direction and loop over the generated list, the final command then becomes something like `for m in $(rg .mp3 file.rss); do wget $m; done` |
| 10:13 | <grove> | Now I just looked at bit more at my backlog, it seems that is what jm_ said 20 minutes ago |
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| 10:14 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | grove https://anchor.fm/s/4f3f4e64/podcast/rss. This is the file I started with if you want to follow along. Goal is to download all the .mp3 files. Of course I can do this manually (lame) or use some podcast player, but I am hoping to learn how this would be done with "standard" utilities in a bash one liner. I started with rg because that is a tool I know. But it seems like awk would be powerful enough to do everything and then i |
| 10:14 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | ust a matter of handing it over to wget. |
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| 10:17 | <grove> | I know awk is quite powerful, but I've never learned that, if I was to do it with one script I would probably do it in perl |
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| 10:24 | <abrotman> | flatbed_dizzy_avenue: there's a #bash on Libera that might be a better place to ask |
| 10:25 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | thats a good tip. |
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| 10:25 | <chrisgt> | the other thing is, you can grep out .mp3 tags and stuff. but that's kind of extremely danger |
| 10:26 | <chrisgt> | especially when you're taking input from the internet, input from an unknown source. that's how you get nasty bugs |
| 10:26 | <chrisgt> | i'd probably parse the xml file, make sure the tag is correct, make sure the type is audio/mpeg, make sure the file length isn't ridiculous, etc. |
| 10:26 | <chrisgt> | validate your inputs |
| 10:28 | <at0m> | ,i podget |
| 10:28 | <judd> | Package podget (misc, optional) in bullseye/amd64: Podcast aggregrator/downloader optimized for cron. Version: 0.8.8-1; Size: 51.5k; Installed: 189k; Homepage: https://github.com/dvehrs/podget; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/podget |
| 10:29 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | My main though was: Hey I have this text file open in gedit and could now go manually selecting with my mouse the links and ctrl+c them in a row into my terminal to wget them. |
| 10:29 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | Surely this is kind of a standard task with computers that people have thought about and solved before, so that is where this started. |
| 10:29 | <at0m> | flatbed_dizzy_avenue: hence, podget? |
| 10:29 | <at0m> | unless you like the exercise ofc |
| 10:31 | <chrisgt> | this is where i like the feature in windows where you can hold alt and select a random block of text |
| 10:31 | <chrisgt> | i wish really bad linux had that |
| 10:31 | <at0m> | chrisgt: konsole has that, and kate |
| 10:31 | <at0m> | block select, that is |
| 10:32 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | sorry I didn't realize the podget part was directed at me. I like the exercise, too though, so far I have spend more time learning this than I would have just doing it manually, but I thought what I figure out now will be handy later. |
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| 10:42 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | ok this is where I am now: https://paste.debian.net/1217862/ . The urls this prints are valid (if you manually select one and wget that it works), but the command doesn't work like this. It seem that it first tries to download empty lines for some reason, but then for the second part there is a Scheme missing that I don't really understand. |
| 10:43 | <grove> | flatbed_dizzy_avenue: Without any error checking (or anything else sane), it becomes something like `perl -nle 'use LWP::UserAgent; my $ua = LWP::UserAgent->new; if ($_ =~ m/enclosure url/) { ($u) = ($_ =~ m|"(https://.+\.mp3)"|); print "Getting $u\n"; $r = $ua->get($u, ":content_file" => "$..mp3"); }' rss` |
| 10:45 | <grove> | (The mp3 files ends up with strange numbers as their names, but at least the should be ordered - one of the sane (and probably simpler) things to add, is a counter in the loop, that names the files 1.mp3, 2.mp3, ...) |
| 10:48 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | That one is exciting |
| 10:48 | <grove> | (I think LWP::UserAgent is in the libwww-perl package, so that package is required, but I wanted to do as much as possible in perl) |
| 10:49 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | No, that does make sense. And it seems this package is part of the default install too |
| 10:55 | <grove> | Well, that package has "Priority: optional", but it has 366 reverse depends (in Buster), so it's not unlikely to have been pulled in by something you've installed |
| 10:56 | <zoke> | flatbed_dizzy_avenue: I would change the 'awk | cut' part from the paste to something like: awk '/.mp3/ {sub("url=|\"", "", $2); print $2}' |
| 10:57 | <zoke> | wrong example... should say: awk '/.mp3/ {gsub("(url=|)\"", "", $2); print $2}' |
| 10:57 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | https://paste.debian.net/1217862/ would anyone mind taking a look at why the "| while read u; do wget "$u"; done" doesn't pick up the lines properly here. It's probably quite obvious, but I am not seeing it. Scheme not found I don't understand |
| 10:57 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | thanks zoke |
| 10:58 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | I appreciate y'all taking the time, I am learning something here. |
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| 10:59 | <Guest4720> | hello |
| 10:59 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | I'd like to get a awk and pipe into wget example working because that seems like something I could come up with on the fly, while the perl variant works but I don't think I could just repeat that tomorrow without looking at my notes. |
| 11:00 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | hey Guest4720, if you have a question just ask it and include the detail people would need to follow along. |
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| 11:02 | <zoke> | flatbed_dizzy_avenue: curl https://anchor.fm/s/4f3f4e64/podcast/rss |awk '/.mp3/ {gsub("(url=|)\"", "", $2); print $2}' | while read u; do echo $u; done | while read u; do wget $u; done |
| 11:02 | <zoke> | flatbed_dizzy_avenue: that works for me... |
| 11:03 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | Thanks, I'll go about understanding why that one works. |
| 11:04 | <zoke> | flatbed_dizzy_avenue: and you can tweak output filename with some simple bash-fu using bash variable substitution |
| 11:04 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | The main thing I was missing it seems is the bash-fu, so I appreciate this. |
| 11:04 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | :) |
| 11:05 | <zoke> | that paste was fubar... with double loops... |
| 11:05 | <zoke> | curl https://anchor.fm/s/4f3f4e64/podcast/rss |awk '/.mp3/ {gsub("(url=|)\"", "", $2); print $2}' | while read u; do wget $u; done |
| 11:05 | <zoke> | that is more correct |
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| 11:07 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | yeah I pasted that end part without really understanding what it does. the "while read u" is tripping me up still. is u just an arbitrary name for a temporary variable or what is going on there? |
| 11:07 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | "read - read line of input into variables". yeah, ok |
| 11:08 | <chrisgt> | since there are multiple lines in the file, while read u means go line by line, with each line as $u |
| 11:08 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | what makes it iterate to the next line? |
| 11:08 | <chrisgt> | EOL character |
| 11:09 | <chrisgt> | probably \n |
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| 11:11 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | if I want to replace the starting " curl https://anchor.fm/s/4f3f4e64/podcast/rss |" with reading from a local.rss file, how do I do that? reading the file and have it written out to stdout? |
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| 11:13 | <zoke> | flatbed_dizzy_avenue: just replace it with 'cat local.rss' |
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| 11:16 | <zoke> | flatbed_dizzy_avenue: cat fubar.rss |awk '/.mp3/ {gsub("(url=|)\"", "", $2); print $2}' | while read u; do wget $u -O "${u##https*2F}"; done |
| 11:17 | <zoke> | flatbed_dizzy_avenue: will give prettier filenames without https-part in the name |
| 11:18 | <zoke> | however... the resulting names may make it hard to know the order if that's relevant |
| 11:19 | <grove> | You can change what 'while read' splits on, I don't exactly remember how and it would just confuse matters (and as it took me some attempts to get that perl thing working, I'm not surprised you say you would need to check your notes to use it tomorrow) |
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| 11:21 | <zoke> | grove: read -d <delim> |
| 11:22 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | thanks. I am having a bit of trouble understanding the loop in the end more deeply. I get what it does, but I don't really "get" the instruction. |
| 11:22 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | In terms of natural language it makes no sense. But the man page says: while CONDITION; COMMANDS...; end -- "while repeatedly executes CONDITION, and if the exit status is 0, then executes COMMANDS." |
| 11:23 | <zoke> | as long as read returns a value it will run the commands in the between 'do' and 'done' |
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| 11:25 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | So will it read u then do wget $u then read the next line into u then do wget $u and so on, or will it read u see a new line read u again till input is depleted and then do wget $u multiple times? Does that question make sense? |
| 11:26 | <zoke> | it will read stdin and save each line as $u. Then run wget $u until read receives an EOF and exits with a status other than 0 |
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| 11:27 | <zoke> | at that point the loop ends |
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| 11:27 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | ok so it executes CONDITION CONDITION CONDITION ... and then COMMANDS COMMANDS COMMANDS. That would match what the manpage says. |
| 11:28 | <zoke> | check condition, execute command, check condidtion again, execute command |
| 11:28 | <zoke> | until condition fails |
| 11:28 | <zoke> | so between each command block the condition gets checked again |
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| 11:38 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | | while read foo; do echo $foo; done I guess what I am having trouble wrapping my head around is that this "while read" is a condition as well as the means of iterating over the multiple lines of SDTIN. It checks whether it could read (exit status of read) something. If it could it will execute COMMAND (and that is echoing the current line). The part I didn't know is that read will "consider the job done" once it meets a "new |
| 11:38 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | And that reading SDTIN once will deplete current line, so that if SDTIN get read again it will result in the next line being read. |
| 11:39 | <Sqrt{not}> | EBOFH: broadcast packets on wrong frequency |
| 11:41 | <zoke> | flatbed_dizzy_avenue: read is the condition for while... they are separate commands |
| 11:41 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | yeah |
| 11:41 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | but this only terminates if read "reads" something different on each iteration |
| 11:41 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | that it does wasn't obvious to me |
| 11:42 | <Sqrt{not}> | not necessarily something different, but when read fails to read, the loop ends |
| 11:42 | <imMute> | flatbed_dizzy_avenue: iteration terminates when read returns a non-zero status code - as in it hits the end of the input. it'll read something different each iteration (assuming each line of the input is different anyway) |
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| 11:44 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | I didn't know that read will not "read" SDTIN all at one, but only till it meets the new line character at which point it will store the stuff it "read" in the var and return success. |
| 11:44 | <zoke> | flatbed_dizzy_avenue: there is a section on read in 'man bash-builtins' |
| 11:45 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | Ok, thanks everybody, this was quite insightful for me, have a nice day! |
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| 11:51 | <jim> | hi, was ssh changed to ask for the local user's password, to unlock the local private key? |
| 11:52 | <chrisgt> | only if you create your private key with a password |
| 11:52 | <yang-mobile> | jim, first 3 attempts are with ssh key |
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| 11:56 | <chrisgt> | if key auth fails 3 times ,it asks for the remote password. but if you create a password on the private key, you need to enter that to unlock it |
| 11:56 | <somiaj> | you can also add the -v, or -vvv flag, to see more output of exactly what ssh is doing |
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| 11:57 | <jim> | somiaj, ok |
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| 12:06 | <bremner> | !ask |
| 12:06 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 13:26 | <bumper> | Why |
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| 13:26 | <Sqrt{not}> | because! |
| 13:27 | <bumper> | bump |
| 13:27 | <bumper> | wthehell |
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| 13:28 | <Sqrt{not}> | !new2irc |
| 13:28 | <dpkg> | You are chatting on IRC. IRC is the original group chat. Similar to platforms like Slack, Matrix, or Discord, IRC was invented in the 1980s and formalized with RFC 1459 in 1993. This channel, #debian, is for help with the debian operating system. Ask us a debian support question, or read more about IRC at https://netsplit.de or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC |
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| 13:30 | <bumper> | nice |
| 13:30 | <Parodper> | /msg dpkg irclog |
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| 13:32 | <bumper> | ops |
| 13:35 | <bumper> | When debian new version will be realesed and how to upgrade |
| 13:37 | <sney> | debian 11 just came out, so debian 12 will be around 2 years from now |
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| 13:37 | <Sqrt{not}> | bumper, what version are you running now? |
| 13:37 | <bumper> | Ty I have debian 10 how to upgrade pls |
| 13:37 | <sney> | upgrade instructions will probably be the same as previous versions, the release notes will say for sure |
| 13:38 | <bumper> | I assume is possible to upgrade without proceed with fresh installation |
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| 13:39 | <Sqrt{not}> | https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 13:39 | <bumper> | I run debian 10 in one Virtual server and debian 9 to the other |
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| 13:40 | <Sqrt{not}> | bumper, if you want to upgrade the debian 9 VM, you should first upgrade to debian 10 |
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| 13:41 | <bumper> | Ok step 1 from 9 to 10 --- step 2 from ten to eleven |
| 13:42 | <Sqrt{not}> | https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 13:42 | <bumper> | What about the application installed such as virtualmin |
| 13:44 | <bumper> | Thanks for the links i ll take my time to read all. |
| 13:44 | <kveroneau> | Debian upgrades are actually very painless, awhile back just for kicks, I installed the first ever version of Debian I used, 3.0 Woody, and followed the upgrade guide, and upgraded it all the way up to Debian 10 Buster with very minimal issues along the way. I was in the process of making a YouTube video to showcase this feat, but never got around to it and instead got distracted with xbill. |
| 13:45 | <sarnold> | kveroneau: lol xbill, nice |
| 13:45 | <imMute> | kveroneau: that would be a pretty cool video to watch! |
| 13:45 | <kveroneau> | Mind you, this upgrade test did have a minimal set of packages installed, I believe it had XFree86, and a basic Window manager. So, for more complex installations, such as with web and mail services, expect a bit more work to upgrade those config files. |
| 13:45 | <sarnold> | it reminds me of the "upgrading windows 1.0 to windows $latest" video from a few years back. the kicker on that video was the horrible colour scheme the guy choose, Hot Dog Stand or something like that, and how it survived into the future |
| 13:46 | <kveroneau> | sarnold, that was my inspiration for trying it in Debian actually. :) |
| 13:46 | <sarnold> | lol |
| 13:46 | <sarnold> | kveroneau: did you also start with Hot Dog Stand? :) |
| 13:47 | <kveroneau> | There's just not enough interesting Linux or Debian videos like this online. There's tons of "Windows through the years", but very little fanfare for Linux in this regard. I did however, make a "KDE through the years" video. :) |
| 13:47 | <kveroneau> | sarnold, thankfully no. I kept most cosmetic defaults. |
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| 13:49 | <tulpa> | my VPS has Debian 11. I use mobaxterm to ssh in, using private/public keys. In my ~/.ssh there is only a known_hosts file. No authorized_keys file. Where could it possibly store the authorized_keys file? |
| 13:49 | <kveroneau> | KDE Through the years from 1.1 to 4.4.5, it's long as it's unedited and raw, but goes through each in some detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AHOplevjAU |
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| 13:50 | <kveroneau> | Also, not every version, as it mostly focuses on the KDE versions shipped with Debian. |
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| 13:52 | <tulpa> | or is my debian system using the known_hosts file to let me in? |
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| 13:53 | <imMute> | tulpa: known_hosts is used by the client, not server side. |
| 13:53 | <imMute> | tulpa: check /etc/ssh/sshd_config to see if it configured a different path for authorized_keys. |
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| 13:54 | <imMute> | tulpa: OTOH, there's a possibility that it can use ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub in addition to the authorized_keys file, maybe that's how? |
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| 13:54 | <sarnold> | kveroneau: oh man that first lyx screen looks so sharp |
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| 13:55 | <kveroneau> | sarnold, I was trying to keep an overall theme. |
| 13:56 | <imMute> | tulpa: just in case you were wondering: the known_hosts file stores the server key fingerprints of the servers you connect to, so that on future connections it can detect if the key has changed (which can mean the connection is MITM'd) |
| 13:57 | <tulpa> | thanks. so i checked /etc/ssh/sshd_config. the key file is commented out so it should be in the default location if i am reading it correctly |
| 13:58 | <tulpa> | there is no id_rsa.pub in my /home/tulpa/.ssh/ |
| 13:58 | <imMute> | tulpa: that's very strange... no /home/tulpa/.ssh/authorized_keys either? |
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| 13:59 | <tulpa> | correct it does not exist |
| 13:59 | <tulpa> | yet i am able to ssh in passwordless to that account |
| 14:00 | <imMute> | bizarre. as far as I know, that shouldn't be possible... |
| 14:00 | <tulpa> | the client i'm using is mobaxterm. I'm poking in it trying to figure out how it did this |
| 14:02 | <zoke> | is there some shared session magic going on? |
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| 14:03 | <tulpa> | oh i think i got it now. it's actually using password, saved in mobaxterm. not keys. i'm trying to move to putty and gen keys and that threw me off. sorry! |
| 14:05 | <imMute> | tulpa: aha! mystery solved! |
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| 14:19 | <chrisgt> | tulpa: using mobaxterm on windows? |
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| 14:20 | <chrisgt> | it's not debian... but on windows i use windows terminal from the windows store which links into WSL. works really well for linuxy stuff. |
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| 14:27 | <tulpa> | chrisgt, yes mobaxterm on windows. I just moved over to MTPutty as it is free |
| 14:28 | <shakary> | ciao |
| 14:28 | <chrisgt> | so is windows terminal + WSL |
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| 14:28 | <chrisgt> | you can even install debian |
| 14:29 | <tulpa> | I may check that out at some point. Right now this multi putty app works for managing my VPS |
| 14:29 | <tulpa> | thanks all for the help :) |
| 14:29 | <chrisgt> | yea, putty works. but win terminal lets you ctrl+click hyper links and stuff. it's rather handy |
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| 15:07 | <anis> | hello |
| 15:09 | <tulpa> | icecast2 in debian 11. since i updated from 10, it doesnt' start properly when i reboot. if i start it manually after boot it works. where would i look? |
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| 15:09 | <sarnold> | first check the logs |
| 15:10 | <sarnold> | they might be telling you the problem :) |
| 15:11 | <sney> | the service may be trying to start it before some service it depends on is responding |
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| 15:12 | <tulpa> | i looked in /var/log, did cat syslog.log | grep icecast and tried that on a few other logfiles, nothing there. |
| 15:13 | <tulpa> | can i delay the service start? |
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| 15:32 | <tulpa> | journalctl -u icecast2 : https://paste.debian.net/hidden/15b4b619/ |
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| 15:33 | <tulpa> | i see where i booted but don't see icecast2 failing. |
| 15:34 | <tulpa> | i remember after boot i started it manually then it worked. |
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| 17:47 | <rgammans> | Should being a member of libvirt be enough to allow you to become root (via shenanigans) ? Or is this something I should report. It's just that I'm not sure where the libvirt sec boundary is. |
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| 17:51 | <mason> | rgammans: That's worth reporting. |
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| 17:53 | <rgammans> | mason: Will do. Just didn't want to report a 'Well that's to be expected, you on the wrong side of the magic door already' |
| 17:54 | <rgammans> | working on some mail now.... |
| 17:54 | <mason> | ty! |
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| 18:09 | <kveroneau> | rgammans, what do you mean by shenanigans? Is it something people with libvirt installed should be aware of? |
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| 18:14 | <rgammans> | kveroneau: Yes, probably, if they give access to non-priv users to create their own domains |
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| 18:17 | <rgammans> | kveroneau: It took me by surprise, but I was explictly poking in that area. But I expected somethingelese to have stopped me. - I don't want to go into too many details here for obvious reasons. |
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| 18:31 | <sarnold> | rgammans: I think libvirt group membership is known to be root-equivalent |
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| 18:36 | <kveroneau> | I think I should be good. I use libvirt on my personal machines, which aren't shared with anyone else. It's still concerning, and a good reason not to just give any user libvirt access. |
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| 18:37 | <rgammans> | sarnold: is that documented somewhere - because I looked before I started and couldn't find it unlike the docker group for instance |
| 18:38 | <kveroneau> | So, now the question begging to be answered here is, which virtualization system is more secure, VirtualBox vs libvirt haha |
| 18:38 | <rgammans> | well, I'm trying to move off VirtualBox since it's not in debian by default |
| 18:39 | <kveroneau> | I used to use VirtualBox as my sole virtualization go-to, but last year I decided to convert myself to a more open source solution, and migrated everything over to libvirt/kvm. |
| 18:40 | <kveroneau> | rgammans, cool! It's well worth the investment in your time. I found libvirt to be leaps more powerful for experienced power-users than VirtualBox ever provided. |
| 18:41 | <kveroneau> | rgammans, oh, and do check out the stellar "virt-install" tool. :D |
| 18:42 | <kveroneau> | virt-install is great for creating repeatable installations in a single command-line you can share, like this: virt-install --connect qemu:///system --virt-type kvm --name $1 --location http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/buster/main/installer-amd64/ --os-variant debian10 --disk size=4,pool=disks --memory 1024 --vcpu 2 --network network=default,model=virtio |
| 18:42 | <kveroneau> | Now you too can install a new Debian Buster VM with just a simple paste. :D |
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| 18:43 | <kveroneau> | I have similar scripts to install Windows with unattended floppy images to fully automate their installs with a single command. |
| 18:43 | <kveroneau> | Who need Packer.io or Vagrant? :p |
| 18:43 | <rgammans> | Hmm. I have used those other tools but.... |
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| 18:43 | <kveroneau> | Packer and Vagrant do support libvirt btw :) |
| 18:45 | <rgammans> | i had noticed, but I had another issue... |
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| 18:45 | <kveroneau> | What might that be? I might be able to help, as I made a similar conversion. |
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| 18:48 | <rgammans> | that's a bit related to the problem I started with |
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| 18:52 | <kveroneau> | rgammans, oh but I'm sure you know already that the "qemu-img" command can convert "vdi" images to "qcow2" images better suited for libvirt. It makes it much easier to migrate VMs from VBox to libvirt that way. |
| 18:54 | <rgammans> | yeah,.. I don't reslly have any prod workloads on Virtualbox. so i can rebuild images with provisioning scripts |
| 18:54 | <kveroneau> | Another way to migrate is to merely export an OVA appliance from VirtualBox, and import that into libvirt. |
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| 18:58 | <flatbed_dizzy_avenue> | rgammans I'd think it'd still make sense to report the vulnerability you might have found there. If it really turns out to be something that isn't in fact a security guarantee at all, which wasn't made obvious, you have found a bug in the documentation still. |
| 18:58 | <kveroneau> | rgammans, if you did want to try a convert, check out "virt-convert", which does come in handy if say you download a premade Linux OVA Applicance from somewhere and want to use it with libvirt. |
| 18:59 | <rgammans> | I'm going to have to reboot (brb- hopefully) |
| 18:59 | <rgammans> | - yeah I think I agree.... |
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| 18:59 | <kveroneau> | Reboot? Are you on Windows rgammans? |
| 18:59 | * | kveroneau just noticed that they already left. |
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| 19:42 | <anon> | I need the created files to be created with the permission to execute. |
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| 19:42 | <sarnold> | what is creating the files? |
| 19:43 | <anon> | i create files by thunar but i will create by script too |
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| 19:51 | <Sqrt{not}> | %permissions |
| 19:51 | <dselect> | For information on permissions, read «info coreutils 'File Permissions'», http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions and http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html . For further information, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod and follow the setuid and setgid links within. See also <ssh permissions>, <qotd232>. http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
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| 19:56 | <Sqrt{not}> | anon, for files created by a script, the script can give them execute permission. |
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| 20:07 | <aloo_shu> | touch to create empty files (with the default permissions), chmod to change permissions |
| 20:08 | <anon> | sqrt, yes, i will try |
| 20:08 | <sarnold> | better is to create the file with the correct permissions in the first place; chmod to a filename can be dangerous |
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| 20:09 | <aloo_shu> | because - it could be open? |
| 20:09 | <somiaj> | if running from a script, depending on what language the script is written in, you can just use source or python3, etc to run it |
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| 20:40 | <Sqrt{not}> | so, is there a preferred CLI tool for creating a file with arbitrary permissions? |
| 20:40 | <anon> | how i change path of Places on thunar or change icon? https://imgur.com/RNnGVhV.png |
| 20:40 | <anon> | sqrt, i get success on create file with permission of run |
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| 20:43 | <sarnold> | Sqrt{not}: the 'install' tool comes close |
| 20:44 | <anon> | sqrt, this message is to me? |
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| 20:44 | <simonpatapon> | hello where can i get help with amdgpu : https://pastebin.com/GdkZM8rG |
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| 20:46 | <Sqrt{not}> | anon, no, I ask a general question, and sarnold gives an answer |
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| 20:49 | <anon> | simonpatapon what is the ip of pastebin.com? |
| 20:51 | <richard_h> | $ host pastebin.com |
| 20:51 | <simonpatapon> | anon: it has many |
| 20:51 | <simonpatapon> | 2 ipv4 and 2 ipv6 |
| 20:51 | <simonpatapon> | wich one you need^ |
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| 20:52 | * | Sqrt{not} sees possible mayhem from `install` as well: clobbering existing files/directories? |
| 20:52 | <richard_h> | ... and why? |
| 20:53 | <anon> | richard_h, it is without access here |
| 20:54 | <anon> | simonpatapon, get first 1 ipv4 |
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| 20:57 | <simonpatapon> | https://paste.debian.net/1217989/ |
| 20:57 | <simonpatapon> | thanks for your time |
| 20:58 | <sarnold> | simonpatapon: eww |
| 20:59 | <simonpatapon> | hey sarnold |
| 21:00 | <simonpatapon> | i re in a few |
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| 21:06 | <simonpatapon> | re |
| 21:06 | <richard_h> | anon: you can't resolve the ip address, but you can visit the site once you've got it? I'm confused ... |
| 21:11 | <twb> | richard_h: sounds like "DNS is down" to me |
| 21:11 | <richard_h> | yes, possibly |
| 21:12 | <simonpatapon> | gonna try a kernel param amdgpu.noretry=0 |
| 21:12 | <anon> | richard, i only try |
| 21:12 | <simonpatapon> | rebootin |
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| 21:19 | <simonpatapon> | :( |
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| 21:40 | <simonpatapon> | ill try an 4.19 kernel i think this bug was introduced in 5.2 |
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| 21:41 | <simonpatapon> | maybe i could try rolling back to older linux-firmware for amdgpu |
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| 21:46 | <simonpatapon> | apt-cache search firmware |
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| 22:12 | <anon> | where do I find the list of icons I can use in file.desktop files? |
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| 22:21 | <twb> | anon: /usr/share/icons |
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| 22:21 | <twb> | anon: it's slightly complicated because then there's themes and often theme A and theme B won't have the same names |
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| 23:13 | <Sqrt{not}> | %famous last words |
| 23:13 | <dselect> | <r3v> RevSlowmo: oh... well if you want something fancy, I don't know... i don't backup anything :) |
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