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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-11-08

---Logopened Mon Nov 08 00:00:38 2021
---Daychanged Mon Nov 08 2021
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00:56<yoyoyo>Hello
00:56<yoyoyo>apt-secure dont let me intstall packages from old releases
00:57<yoyoyo>I run debian 11
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03:29<user>hello!
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03:30<Guest5332>hello man, how are you doing? ))
03:30<Thrift>fine, thank you,and you?
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03:31<Guest5332>i am okay too, thanks!
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03:35<grove>!chat
03:35<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic or #moocows; or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/
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03:44<Guest5332>I am trying to click on #debian-offtopic but it redirects me nowhere!
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03:45<awal1>#debian-offtopic is on libera.chat server
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03:48<grove>Nonsense, there are 98 peple in #debian-offtopic on OFTC - not much seems to be happening there now thogh
03:48<at0m>#d-o reguires registered nick
03:48<at0m>on here, at least
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05:39<bhola>sney: good morning.
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05:40<bhola>somiaj: good morning.
05:40<bhola>any update on wsl2 Debian networking?
05:42<bhola>I will be grateful if you please share your knowledge about it.
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07:43<bhola>sney: Hi. you got my previous messages?
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07:45<petn-randall>bhola: From the backlog, if you're interested in learning about Linux, I recommend installing it on a machine or VM. WSL2 has a lot of specifics in it that don't generally apply.
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07:47<bhola>petn-randall: I do actually have a separate machine linux machine and what I learnt make sense on that linux machine. but I was puzzled when I learnt that it was not the case with wsl2 linux. and I was wondering what changed drastically here in WSL2.
07:50<bhola>petn-randall: and more importantly I just wanted to know how network interfaces are brought up and configured in WSL2. This is also part of the same learning process.
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07:52<bhola>Last night, sney: was installing WSL2 linux in his windows 10 machine and he wanted to look himself how it was working. That's why I was cusrious if he found something which could help me understanding how interfaces are managed in WSL2
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09:21<jkc>bhola: WSL2 is Hyper-V under the hood. The network interface you're seeing is a virtual interface connected to a Hyper-V vSwitch that NATs traffic via the host's physical interface.
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09:23<jkc>The host OS also has the ability to manage elements of the WSL container's configuration; this is how the NIC gets configured even though there's no management process running inside the WSL container.
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09:26<jkc>So that element of it is a WSLism (fun to say that - wizzlism) and not a Debianism.
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10:22<bhola>jkc: Thanks for your comments. It makes things a bit clear. So what I got is that Debian has nothing to with configuring and bringing up the interface (eth0 in my case). This is being handled by the WSL before presenting me the shell prompt. Is this what you meant?
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10:24<bhola>Furthermore, Is it possible to manage the virtual switch?
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10:31<tuxd3v>lhvf, indeed, but I have radeonsi working..
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10:34<mh3f>I have two displays configured one on top of the other with the top being the primary. I'm using MATE on buster. The total height of the window puts it behind the bottom panel. Is there a way to fix this while keeping the arrangement? https://i.imgur.com/lFvmahA.png
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10:42<mh3f>looks like this is the issue https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-panel/issues/303
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10:43<amacater_>bhola: Effectively, WSL is a small shim over Hyper-V and so the interface is generally already configured to effectively appear as an interface which is then NATted to the Windows machine interface
10:44<amacater_>The interface can be used to contact other WSL VMs, effectively.
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12:20<plaur>is an update of firefox-esr being worked on? mozilla published security updates for 91.3.0 on november 2nd, but stable is still on the vulnerable 78.x
12:20<sney>yes
12:20<plaur>minor updates to a given ESR release are normally available after 1 day or so
12:22<sney>esr 91.3.0 was uploaded to sid 6 days ago, and it seems there are some issues with freezing and also a rust dependency
12:22<sney>once it gets sorted out, it's normal for stable to get the new esr
12:23<sney>ah and a mesa dependency too
12:23<plaur>that would be great, i was thinking about switching to the flatpak version from mozilla to get faster updates (i guess or chromium you have to use the flatpak, the packaged version can't keep up with upstream, at least not in debian stable)
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12:24<sney>it's becoming pretty popular to go flatpak/snap for browsers, yeah. you'd be in good company.
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12:25<plaur>sney: do you know why such transitions aren't planned in advance? the dates for sunsetting an ESR release are known and there's an overlap - couldn't such dependencies for the next version be done in advance, while the old version is still offered?
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12:25<at0m>plaur: debian stable's goal isn't to "keep up with upstream", just security fixes get merged
12:26<sney>right, but this is the approach buster took with firefox-esr, to use the version currently supported by upstream.
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12:26<plaur>hmm. maybe i should go to flatpak after all...
12:26<sney>unfortunately mozilla and debian's release cycles don't line up.
12:26<at0m>and there's backports for more recent versions
12:26<at0m>,v firefox-esr
12:26<judd>Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 78.14.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 78.14.0esr-1~deb11u1; bookworm: 78.14.0esr-1+b1; buster-security: 78.15.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye-proposed-updates: 78.15.0esr-1~deb11u1; bullseye-security:
12:26<judd>78.15.0esr-1~deb11u1; experimental: 91.1.0esr-1; sid: 91.3.0esr-1
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12:27<sney>flatpak is certainly the approach that will get you a current browser today.
12:27<plaur>at0m: what sney said, the browser codebases are huge, not even RedHat can keep up backporting just security fixes. mozilla offers the ESR release for enterprises, and RHEL and Debian recompile it with some minor patches
12:28<at0m>plaur: ah, i see
12:28<sney>as for your other question, I don't know. the firefox maintainer is a mozilla employee so he should be able to have some advance warning. and it's not like bullseye is old yet, either.
12:28<at0m>,v firefox
12:28<judd>Package: firefox on amd64 -- experimental: 92.0-2+b1; sid: 94.0-1
12:28<sney>there has been some indication in the past that our 1 firefox maintainer is a bit overworked, so it could be more of that, idk
12:29<Sebastinas>The new ESR wants rust 1.56, which wants llvm-toolchain-13. The latter is not even in testing yet.
12:30<sney>and uses EGL by default, which requires a newer mesa. (though that setting could probably just be changed.)
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12:31<plaur>I can imagine there's lots of work to backport all dependecies (and chromium vendos them - even fedora has trouble keeping up with chromium) :(
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12:33<plaur>sney, Sebastinas: thanks
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12:34<sney>np
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12:56<jkc>bhola: You CAN muck with the underlying vSwitch, but I wouldn't suggest it.
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13:00<bhola>jkc: I want to. dosesn't matter what happens. I can reinstall wsl and even windows. Is there any software for configuring the vSwitch.
13:02<jkc>Weird, its like what I just typed was intended to imply that its a bad idea. If you want to go down that road, search engines exist. Go nuts.
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13:02<zumbi>sney: EGL was needed for arm, which had not a good big GL story IIRC
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13:41<aptsecure>hey hey
13:41<aptsecure>I still have problem with APT secure
13:41<aptsecure>can someone help?
13:41<aptsecure>I tried everything from adding deb [] https://.... etc
13:41<aptsecure>nothing works
13:42<jeremiah>What exactly is the issue aptsecure?
13:42<aptsecure>I want to install some old packages from a previous Debian release but I can't do in Debian 11
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13:43<jeremiah>One approach may be to use http (e.g. not https) to pull in updates to any potentially missing certificates, _then_ switch back to https.
13:43<aptsecure>not working
13:43<aptsecure>tried
13:43<jeremiah>Which URL did you try?
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13:43<aptsecure>I have debian-archive-keyring too
13:43<jeremiah>What was the error message?
13:44<aptsecure>number 1 expired keys
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13:44<jeremiah>But that's not the error message.
13:44<aptsecure>number 2 even if I try allow insecure still not work
13:44<aptsecure>one moment I started the VM
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13:45<jeremiah>I can't reproduce your steps without more info.
13:45<jeremiah>Having the exact error message helps with diagnosing an issue.
13:46<aptsecure>No problem I will post it in a second
13:46<aptsecure>paste.debian.org?
13:46<aptsecure>paste.debian.net
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13:47<jeremiah>I'll take a look. :-)
13:47<jeremiah>Oh.
13:47<aptsecure>one second
13:47<jeremiah>Either one works aptsecure
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13:49<aptsecure>jeremiah https://paste.debian.net/1218721/
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13:52<aptsecure>I have tried also "deb [allow-insecure=yes] http://archive.debian..... in sources.list but is not working
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13:56<petn-randall>!frankendebian
13:56<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian and <reinstall>
13:56<petn-randall>aptsecure: Whatever you're trying to do, mixing bullseye and squeeze won't work.
13:57<aptsecure>I have to use libboost-dev-all=1.420
13:57<aptsecure>1.42.0
13:57<petn-randall>aptsecure: For what exactly?
13:57<petn-randall>!goal
13:57<dpkg>Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
13:58<aptsecure>I need for running a binary compiled in squeeze
13:58<petn-randall>aptsecure: In that case I'd use debootstrap to create a squeeze chroot, and run it from there.
13:59<petn-randall>aptsecure: Or install squeeze in a VM, depending on what kind of binary that is.
13:59<aptsecure>chroot programs can be exposed to the public? for example when running on a server
13:59<petn-randall>aptsecure: What's the name of the tool you're trying to run?
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14:03<aptsecure>ohh
14:03<aptsecure>wait
14:03<aptsecure>error while loading shared libraries: libboost_system.so.1.42.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
14:03<aptsecure>nothing
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14:03<aptsecure>I don't think so I have this compiled bymyself
14:04<petn-randall>and what's the name of this elusive program?
14:04<aptsecure>bitcoin
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14:05<petn-randall>aptsecure: https://bitcoin.org/en/full-node#linux-instructions
14:05<aptsecure>no no
14:05<aptsecure>I have to run Bitcoin version 0.8.1
14:06<petn-randall>Why? I'm sure that's not compatible to the current network.
14:06<aptsecure>It is perfectly compatible
14:06<somiaj>The last person with this issue just opted to use an outdated vm, since they too want to use this old version of bitcoin before whatever change happened.
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14:06<petn-randall>aptsecure: Again, explain to us why, that'll help in the long run.
14:06<aptsecure>Keeping the network alive and well
14:07<somiaj>bitcoin did some change in their source, and this is the last version some users want to run due to that change. This really isn't supported in #debian and the best advice is to just run an isolated stretch vm (I think that is the last version of debian it built on)
14:07<petn-randall>aptsecure: By running outdated, unsupported versions?
14:07<aptsecure>you know, since 2015 the Bitcoin protocol dramatically changed by one single entity Blockstream Inc which literally paid millions to "Bitcoin Core" developers to impelemt segwit, lightning and all kinds of crap
14:08<somiaj>Though I forget what change bitcoin did that has some users wanting to run this older version, but here again not really supported by #debian.
14:08<aptsecure>A reminder that before 2015 there was just Bitcoin, "Bitcoin Core" is invented by Blockstream once again
14:09<petn-randall>aptsecure: Sounds like it's not in any way related to #debian.
14:09<petn-randall>All those features weren't implemented with 0.8.2, either.
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14:10<aptsecure>Also Bitcoin 0.8.1 released by Gavin Andresen who was stupid enough to give write access to some Blockstream people who stabbed him in the back and revoked his access to the repository, Gavin was the person Satoshi entrusted in supervising Bitcoin's development not this Blockstream monkeys
14:10<aptsecure>apt secure and installing an old package is related to Debian
14:11<aptsecure>what is not related is the program and the why
14:11<petn-randall>It's not. Ancient versions aren't supported here.
14:11<aptsecure>actually the problem is not in accient version
14:11<aptsecure>it is in Debian 11
14:12<petn-randall>*plonk*
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14:13<somiaj>mixing packages from different versions of debian is not support. The last person I saw who shared similar views opted to just run a stretch vm, or better yet maybe you can compile the needed libaries yourself and install them locally
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14:20<aptsecure>compile the libraries in squeeze and move them to Debian 11?
14:22<b2ag>hi @all. I want to disable autoconf in debian bullseye but all my attempts so far have failed. It's not the first time I struggle with configuring ipv6. why is it so hard?
14:22<imMute>b2ag: disable autoconf for IPv6? you mean remove the "fe80:blah" addresses?
14:23<b2ag>exactly
14:23<Habbie>why?
14:23<imMute>b2ag: you can't. link local addresses are required for IPv6 operation.
14:23<b2ag>I'm using /etc/network/interfaces and last attempt was to add "pre-up /sbin/sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.vmbr0.autoconf=0" to the devices, but "sysctl net.ipv6.conf.vmbr0.autoconf" still gives me "1"
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14:23<Habbie>autoconf is about router advertisements anyway, not about fe80
14:24<b2ag>I thought this would by auto_ra?!
14:24<imMute>b2ag: https://sysctl-explorer.net/net/ipv6/autoconf/
14:24<b2ag>oh, ok
14:24<Habbie>https://tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ch11s02.html
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14:27<b2ag>regarding "why?": I want to reduce "arp traffic" in our comany network. I see a lot of "arp" stuff in "ip n" regarding fe80:: stuff which is not needed on this VM host anyways. we have switches which behave like their arp cache is overflowing.
14:28<aptsecure>how this related to debian?
14:28<imMute>b2ag: removing that traffic would make stuff not work at all. the real solution is to make your subnets smaller
14:29<aptsecure>this is #networking
14:29<aptsecure>not debian
14:29<b2ag>ok. back to my original question: to get rid of fe80:: stuff you say I need to disable ipv6 all together?
14:29<Habbie>indeed, and i suspect the #networker crowd will be much better equipped to correct b2ag's confusion
14:30<imMute>aptsecure: the original question was more debian specific since it's a configuration question (I'm a mod in #networking and I usually send people to a distro specific channel to ask how to configure something since it's usually distro specific)
14:30<imMute>b2ag: yes, the link local addresses are *required* for proper IPv6 operation.
14:30<aptsecure>lol
14:30<aptsecure>I have to play lotto
14:31<Habbie>b2ag, yes
14:31<b2ag>can I configure this for a specific interface with debian?
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14:40<aptsecure>where are the libraries in debian 11?
14:40<aptsecure>path
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14:42<aptsecure> - /usr/local/lib ???
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14:46<b2ag># libc default configuration
14:46<b2ag>/usr/local/lib
14:46<b2ag># Multiarch support
14:46<b2ag>/usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
14:46<b2ag>/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
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14:46<aptsecure>lol
14:46<aptsecure>thanks
14:46<b2ag>/usr/local/lib /usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
14:47<Sqrt{not}>aptsecure, your compiling environment might set $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
14:48<aptsecure>I tried to compile now libboost 1.42.0 and failed on Debian 11
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14:49<aptsecure>I compile now on squeeze and move the lib to bullseye
14:52<b2ag>I've managed to disable ipv6 on my vmbr0 interface. thanks for hinting me in the right direction. used /etc/sysctl.d and not /etc/network/interfaces though. is there a way to do it in the interfaces file? also regard "your network setup is wrong": there is nothing I can to about this. contractors managing the cisco stuff. I'm not allowed to touch it. it's a mitigation not a fix. I'm aware of that.
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14:52<aptsecure>lol
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14:54<aptsecure>b2ag --> sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.default.disable_ipv6=1
14:54<b2ag>thats what I've already done by means of /etc/sysctl.d
14:54<b2ag>but for vmbr0 and not default
14:55<b2ag>I was asking if there is some "iface vmbr0 inet6 disabled" syntax
14:55<aptsecure>you don't have to touch anything apart from /etc/sysctl.conf to disable ipv6
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14:57<aptsecure>better if you just nano /etc/sysctl.conf and add it there not by using the oneliner.
14:57<b2ag>still to have a /etc/sysctl.d/vmbr0-disable_ipv6.conf instead of writing this into /etc/network/interfaces where all the other network config lives is asking for trouble. but I guess no one cares because /etc/network/interfaces is a legacy monster on it's own and everybody is happy when it's finally gone.
14:58<aptsecure>only edit sysctl.conf
14:59<aptsecure>everything else can stay how it is
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15:00<fernando>hi
15:00<b2ag>aptsecure: thanks for trying to help. but hinting a worse solution to the thing which already works for me when I'm asking for a more elegant solution is not helping at all.
15:01<aptsecure>actually if you look closely than the correct path is "source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*"
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15:01<b2ag>over and out
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15:01<aptsecure>anyway, to disable ipv6 you only have to add one single line to /etc/sysctl.conf
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19:34<jkc>The correct path is not, and will never be, "disable ipv6."
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19:42<Unit193>Sometimes it can be.
19:43<sarnold>fixing other people's routing tables can be pretty difficult
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21:14<twb>OK so I have a VM running Debian 11, and I'm trying to make it speak NFSv4.x (4.0 or 4.1 or 4.2 -- I don't care) to a NFS server running Debian 9 and nfs-utils 1.3.x
21:15<twb>I'm forwarding exactly and only 2049/tcp
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21:19<sarnold>hmm, is that enough? I thought you also needed portmapper and lockmgr for NFS to work
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21:20<jkc>Yeah, you're blocking required stuff.
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21:20<jkc>111/tcp,udp, 2049/tcp,udp, 4045/tcp,udp
21:21<twb>13:00 <twb> https://serverfault.com/questions/954661/what-services-and-ports-are-required-for-nfsv4 "NFSv4 runs on TCP port 2049. Unlike previous versions of NFS, this is the only port that is required."
21:21<jkc>Guess I don't know enough about NFSv4.
21:21<twb>If I explicitly force as much as possible I get this:
21:21<twb>root@desktop-inmate:~# mount -o ro,sec=sys,nfsvers=4.2,tcp,proto=tcp,port=2049,nomigration 10.0.2.100:/srv/netboot /mnt ==> mount.nfs: Operation not permitted
21:22<twb>With 111/tcp forwarded I was getting that for 4.2 and 4.0, and "access denied" for 4.0
21:22<twb>Anywya, time to start tcpdumping
21:23<sarnold>yeah, I'd heard that nfsv4 was finally fixed to port 2049 but I also thought the other two were still needed for things to go smoothly. heh.
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21:25<twb>On my actual in-the-wild systems I'm still allowing {111,2049,32767-32769} {tcp,udp} where 32767 &c are hard-coded in sysctl
21:25<twb>*BUT* that is a setup that was originally v3 only and is now v4 only
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21:28<twb>https://cyber.com.au/~twb/tmp/tmp.pcap
21:28<twb>The actual conversation looks OK to me -- NFS client isn't attempting any spurious ports
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21:29<twb>The server side is in-kernel, so I'm not sure how to get better logging
21:30<twb>Oh wow, even Debian 11 stlil uses nfs-utils 1.3
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21:30<twb>2.5 is only in experimental
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21:34<twb>*which* operation isn't permitted
21:34<twb>That feels like it's coming from the VM's kernel, not the NFS itself...
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21:42<twb>It's definitely not trying any ports other than 2049
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21:44<twb>sysctl sunrpc.nfs_debug sunrpc.nfsd_debug look promising
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22:05<twb>OK this might be relevant. -o nfsvers=4.0 talks to 111/tcp
22:05<twb>As does -o nfsvers=4.1
22:06<twb>Sorry, no. nfsvers=4.1 does not. There were still packets coming in from the previous 4.0 attempt
22:06<twb>My NFS server definitely supports vers=4.2 in normal operation
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23:31<ChiLLabiS>Hi! Is this the official Debian channel?
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23:32<Sqrt{not}>yes
23:33<ChiLLabiS>Okay, thank you for the answer! :)
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