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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-11-11

---Logopened Thu Nov 11 00:00:03 2021
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00:10<satanpol>this non-free thing has gone too far
00:10<satanpol>good bye
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00:13<tizef>sarnold, that is my box : huawei b612s-25d
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00:22<tizef>sarnold, it says : Supports NAT and Network Address and Port Translation (NAPT), which complies with RFC2663, RFC3022, and RFC3027.Supports CONE NAT.Supports fragmented message identification during common NAT.
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00:51<Guest5593>just started using Debian 11 few weeks ago, cannot get bridging for KVM to work at all. anyone know if there is a know problem with bridging in Debian 11?
00:52<Guest5593>known problem*
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01:01<sney>It's normal for kernel/driver behavior to change somewhat between debian releases, but if your bridging issue isn't mentioned in https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBullseye or https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html then it is not a known issue
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05:54<david>hi, before Debian 9 in order to build custom debian packages, I was able to customize my debian/rules PATH by adding export `PATH:=/opt/specific-compiler/bin/:${PATH}`, now in Debian 9 it seems that this does not work as it is the system gcc that is taken and not the specific compiler specified in the debin/rules PATH. any feedbacks on how could I solve this issue ? Thanks
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06:20<grove>"now in Debian 9"? Current Debian stable is version 11
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06:53<abff>grove: are you implying there's a #debian-last and #debian-last-last
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07:03<grove>No, I was just wondering why you said "now" about something that happened more than 4 years ago
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07:17<tjcarter>remove the word and reparse, I think it'll make sense.
07:17<tjcarter>actually no, there does appear to be a typo in there
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07:49<bylzz>is there an archive somewhere with old daily cloud images from 2020?
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08:12<g00se>Is there a way of piping yes to a process after the fact? Regretting not giving the yes flag to e2fsck
08:12<petn-randall>g00se: Nope, but you can abort and restart it again.
08:13<g00se>Thanks – aagh it took quite a while to get to an endless series of prompts ;)
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08:15<petn-randall>g00se: more importantly, e2fsck has a -y flag.
08:15<g00se>Yes, thanks
08:15*g00se wonders whether to use testdisk
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10:22<rvandegrift>bylzz: probably not - the dailies on cloud.d.o are all we have. if you need some help tracking down a change, #debian-cloud can probably help
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10:28<bylzz>rvandegrift: I will check there thanks, I need to get hold of one or two specific images in some way
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10:53<ckosloff>My power supply crapped out, so I replaced it, new power supply works OK but computer fails to start with weird message:
10:53<ckosloff>[ 2.49881] nouveau 0000:06:00.0:bus: MMIO read of 00000000 FAULT at3e6684
10:53<ckosloff>[ IBUS]
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10:54<ckosloff>I suppose that IBUS relates to a motherboard issue
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10:56<petn-randall>ckosloff: Have you checked the filesystem? I'd also install debsums to verify the installed packages.
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10:59<ckosloff>petn-randall: I cannot get past that error, so how check filesystem, I can use rescue mode from netinst CD, again how check file system?
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11:00<petn-randall>ckosloff: Use a live system like grml and run fsck.
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11:01<ckosloff>I don't know how to use grml, dunno what it is, can use bulleye netinst to boot in rescue mode
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11:04<ckosloff>petn-randall: Ok, now downloading GRML, will burn, then what?
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11:10<enigma9o7>I want to install python3-gbinder as it is dependency of something else I want to test (from outside debian repo). When I apt search, I see the package listed, but when I try to install, it doesnt exist, when I try to apt policy theres no candidate, when I apt show it says its virtual....
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11:12<sussudio>,v python3-gbinder
11:12<judd>No package named 'python3-gbinder' was found in amd64.
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11:14<enigma9o7>Yeah those are the kinda issues Im running into, although apt search shows it.
11:14<sussudio>!frankendebian
11:14<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian and <reinstall>
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11:15<enigma9o7>This is pure bullseye afaik...
11:15<enigma9o7>some backports i guess
11:16<enigma9o7>libreoffice and inxi from backports but i doubt that matters
11:16<enigma9o7>ohhhhhhh ok i figured it out. its only for arm64
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13:49<coc0nut>hm, i did a resize of the partition on debian vm. to this i had to delete the swap partiion and add a new swap after... after this i get a slow bootup because of "Dependency failed for swap" i might have to reattach the swap ? been searching abit, but cant find any good stuff about it
13:50<petn-randall>coc0nut: check your /etc/fstab, it's probably referring to the UUID of the old swap partition.
13:50<coc0nut>yeah, the new one is not mounted at all i guess
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13:51<coc0nut>and /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume also points to the old one
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13:52<petn-randall>It should work as soon as you have fixed both. The latter is only needed for hibernate/resume.
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13:54<coc0nut>trying a reboot
13:54<coc0nut>seems fixed :p
13:55<petn-randall>yay \o/
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13:57<coc0nut>it does hang abit before loading the modules on boot tho
13:58<coc0nut>5-10 secs
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14:00<somiaj>you can check to see if systemd-analyze blame gives you any clue of services taking a bit of time to start
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15:05<lucas>hi, I'm experiencing hard freezes on a laptop running Debian 11 with i915 graphics. the last two freezes were while playing videos. each time, there's a small visual glitch when the system freezees. I did not have any issue with Debian 10. Does that ring a bell by any chance?
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15:12<free2>what kind of visual glitch?
15:12<lucas>slightly corrupted display
15:13<free2>I see
15:15<blast007>tried running a memory test?
15:19<enigma9o7>when you upgraded from debian 10 to 11, did you upgrade kernel too, or were you already using newer kernel in buster?
15:19<enigma9o7>cuz could be kernel driver issue, or could be xorg issue, probably, if it worked before and doesnt now
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15:31<lucas>blast007: yes, nothing detected during a memory test
15:31<lucas>enigma9o7: yes, kernel upgraded as well. I'm now trying to run 4.19 instead of 5.10. we will see.
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15:56<ckosloff>I am trying to repair a no-boot error in bullseye using fsck on my boot disk, using grml so it will be unmounted, this disk has a DOS swap partition, command I use is fsck -ycr /dev/sda, but it doesn't work because of the dos partition, how to proceed?
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15:59<sney>ckosloff: fsck is used on filesystems, not whole disks. you would have to tell it which /dev/sdaX you are trying to check.
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16:08<coc0nut>"Gave up waiting for suspend/resume device" is holding up my bootup time for quite a while. can i do a sudo rm /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume and a update-initramfs -u?
16:08<coc0nut>@ somiaj :p
16:09<somiaj>I wouldn't delete that file, you could just put RESUME=none if you don't want it set to any partition, or put the uuid of your new swap partition
16:10<coc0nut>i putted the new uuid
16:11<somiaj>this is used for hibernate, so either use the uuid of your swap partition or use none if you want to disable resume. I personally wouldn't delete this file
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16:12<coc0nut>it affects the bootup. its a vm, so hibernate isnt really needed
16:13<coc0nut>should i just set it to none when i dont really need hibernate?
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16:15<somiaj>seems reasonable
16:15<coc0nut>tried that, but didnt help much. still same
16:15<coc0nut> "Gave up waiting for suspend/resume device"
16:16<coc0nut>might not be the resume file then
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16:19<coc0nut>ah, i just had to run update-initramfs -u :)
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16:34<shibboleth>what's the reason why only single-dvd deb11/bullseye isos are published?
16:34<shibboleth>used to be three dvds
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16:39<petn-randall>lucas: i915 covers a wide range of graphics cards. Which make/model is this laptop?
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16:41<ckosloff>sney: so how find the partition identifier?
16:42<petn-randall>ckosloff: `blkid` will output them.
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16:45<ckosloff>petn-randall: found them, how the hell I got a dos partition tabe with squashfs , I cannot understand, I installed with netinst, anyway will have to reinstall system, although I am sure I marked it as ext4
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16:46<Morty>Hiloo
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16:47<free2>Hi, do you need help with debian?
16:48<Morty>Naah, I'm good
16:48<Morty>thanks thoe
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16:51<lucas>petn-randall: UHD Graphics 620
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16:52<petn-randall>lucas: So whiskeylake GPU?
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16:54<lucas>petn-randall: no, Kaby Lake Refresh (i7-8650U)
16:55<lucas>petn-randall: well also used for whiskeylake
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16:57<petn-randall>lucas: I'd use the kernel from backports, that might fix a few issues for you. It did for me.
16:57<petn-randall>(i7-8565U here)
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16:59<Morty>I wonder how many people are using PS OS
16:59<lucas>petn-randall: thanks, I'll give it a try (I downgraded to the buster kernel for now to ensure that it's really a kernel regression)
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17:59<Sqrt{not}>shibboleth, I think the full DVD set is still published.
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18:00<shibboleth>not on deb downloads, neither https or torrent
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18:01<Sqrt{not}>shibboleth, however, you must use the jigdo method to get the extra DVDs after #1
18:01<shibboleth>jigdo, however?
18:01<shibboleth>k
18:01<Sqrt{not}>jigdo up through DVD 19
18:01<shibboleth>anyone know why no torrents?
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18:04<Sqrt{not}>the extra DVDs are not needed very often, the usual scenario is to download only the packages you need via apt install, or in the net installer
18:05<Sqrt{not}>the donors of the host disks prefer that we use jigdo when putting together those other DVDs
18:05<nickdiazswag209>is it possible to use an older version of ruby with bullseye than the one that comes with it? (2.7)
18:05<nickdiazswag209>it seems like that shouldnt be a problem, but seems like the repo only supports 2.7
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18:06<Sqrt{not}>,v ruby
18:06<judd>Package: ruby on amd64 -- stretch: 1:2.3.3; buster: 1:2.5.1; bullseye: 1:2.7+2; bookworm: 1:2.7.6; sid: 1:2.7.6
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18:06<Sqrt{not}>nickdiazswag209, 2.3 and 2.5 are there,but that is pretty nonstandard thing to do
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18:07<Sqrt{not}>nickdiazswag209, other, even more ancient versions might be in the archives
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18:11<nickdiazswag209>Sqrt{not}: ah, how do i get 2.5 on a buster? do i add the buster repository into sources.list?
18:11<nickdiazswag209>yeah i realize its not a standard thing to do :P
18:12<nickdiazswag209>i have a ruby gem, that works with 2.5, but not on bullseye, which uses 2.7
18:12<Sqrt{not}>nickdiazswag209, yeah, and then there is some syntax in apt to force the repo, i think like apt install ruby/buster ??? check the man page
18:13<nickdiazswag209>sqrt, thanks!
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18:16<somiaj>nickdiazswag209: I would install it locally (vs though dpkg), there are ways to create a local install and virtual enviorment for ruby
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18:16<somiaj>,i ruby-build
18:16<judd>Package ruby-build (ruby, optional) in bullseye/amd64: tool to compile and install different versions of Ruby. Version: 20200401-1; Size: 56.0k; Installed: 563k; Homepage: https://github.com/rbenv/ruby-build
18:17<somiaj>maybe that is something that would be useful
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18:17<somiaj>https://github.com/rbenv/ruby-build#readme
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18:20<nickdiazswag209>yeah thats the other way to go. I'm just trying to get a docker container to work, which is based off debian image. Preferably i'd like change as little as possible! :)
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18:20<somiaj>why not just use a buster docker image then?
18:21<Noisytoot>Is there a package that provides GnuTLS bindings for Guile 3.0? The guile-gnutls package is for Guile 2.2
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18:25<somiaj>Noisytoot: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=964284
18:25<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/964284 in guile-gnutls (open, patch): «guile-gnutls: update to use guile 3.0»; severity: normal; opened: 2020-07-05; last modified: 2021-09-27.
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18:26<nickdiazswag209>somiaj: bullseye fixes a lot of vulnerabiltiies in other packages like libc, etc
18:26<somiaj>Noisytoot: looks like you aren't alone on this, they tried to get it available for buster, but didn't due to some issues. You may have to backport the package once they get it to the point it can be used.
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18:26<somiaj>nickdiazswag209: buster still has security support, do you have the CVE for the libc vuln you are talking about and are you sure it hasn't been backported and fixed in buster?
18:28<somiaj>https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/glibc seems buster even has a fix for a disputed issue that isn't fixed in bullseye
18:29<somiaj>ahh there are some problems they determined as minor issues
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18:32<nickdiazswag209>somiaj: nice... maybe buster would work then
18:33<nickdiazswag209>for example, based on this link https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2021-33574 you can see its fixed in bookworm
18:33<nickdiazswag209>how do i install the backported packages?
18:34<somiaj>the security fixes (when they are made) are backported and applied to stable, so just run buster, you'll have the up to date versions from the security team.
18:35<somiaj>It appears the security team considered that a minor issue and didn't fix it, at some level due to debian's builds of libaries, issues maybe just minor and not warnet a DSA
18:35<nickdiazswag209>yeah ive done that, but it didnt install packages with the security vulnerabilities. let me give an example
18:36<somiaj>yea seems the one you linked is related to a another issue which which could be opened back up. Yes debian won't fix every CVE that hits, but for the most part I trust they make decent decisions on when one is needing to be fixed, vs just standard security practices will protcet the system.
18:36<nickdiazswag209>like this one: v
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18:36<nickdiazswag209>oops, https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2021-35942
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18:37<somiaj>yea, as I mentioned, this is determined to be a minor issue, [buster] - glibc <no-dsa> (Minor issue)
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18:38<nickdiazswag209>ah ok, i wasnt aware of the notes, was just going based on my security scanner's categorization of what's critical and whats not :)
18:39<nickdiazswag209>thanks for pointing that out
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18:41<somiaj>security scanners may not correctly know if debian's packages are vuln or not since they use upstream version, but don't know if debian has patched the issue or not
18:41<somiaj>now as noted, debian won't patch each and every CVE, but if you trust the debian security team, they will be supporting buster for another 4-5 months and the LTS team (different team) will then support buster for another 2 years
18:42<somiaj>so there is security support to backport fixes for issues they deem are major enough (which as noted isn't everything)
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18:43<nickdiazswag209>somiaj: here's another one, with a note "No security issue by itself", https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-9893
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18:43<somiaj>security scanners may not correctly know if debian's packages are vuln or not since they use upstream version, but don't know if debian has patched the issue or not
18:43<somiaj>now as noted, debian won't patch each and every CVE, but if you trust the debian security team, they will be supporting buster for another 4-5 months and the LTS team (different team) will then support buster for another 2 years
18:43<somiaj>so there is security support to backport fixes for issues they deem are major enough (which as noted isn't everything)
18:44<nickdiazswag209>somiaj: got it! that helps a lot
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18:45<somiaj>yea unsure what they mean by that. But most likely one would have to be using it with some third party tool to make the vuln an issue
18:45<somiaj>also sometimes due to debian's build flags vulns just won't affect debian. Security is very complicated and not just a 'this is a safe version vs this isn't
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18:46<somiaj>But if you trust the debian security team to be reasonable, buster is fine to run as an image
18:46<nickdiazswag209>somiaj: thanks so much
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18:47<nickdiazswag209>that makes a lot of sense... security scanners may be labeling things incorrectly
18:47<somiaj>Yea, and due to how debian handels security will often give false positives
18:47<nickdiazswag209>what do you mean by how debain handles security?
18:48<somiaj>though debian doesn't just patch everything, they consider how major of an issue first.
18:48<nickdiazswag209>like they would label something critical, when really it isnt?
18:48<somiaj>debian backports the fix to the version in debian, and security scanners rarely have this info
18:48<nickdiazswag209>ohh i see
18:48<somiaj>so they see, oh version < 2.23 is vuln, debian has version 2.21, so it is vuln (but debian may have backported the fix to 2.21 and it be just fine)
18:48<nickdiazswag209>how do i tell if it has or not? the website security-tracker.debian.org should say right?
18:49<somiaj>yea, that will let you know the status of any CVE in debian
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18:49<nickdiazswag209>if it says "vulnerable" in the release, im assuming its not fixed. But as i've pointed out a few, the notes say its not all that major...
18:50<nickdiazswag209>the thing is even though Stretch is under LTS support, the amount of critical vulnerabilities that scanner comes up with, are a lot more than Buster
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18:50<nickdiazswag209>you'd think even Stretch would be as secure as buster
18:50<somiaj>correct, that means that debian hasn't fixed it, but being vuln to something that requires a very specific setup may not be that big of a deal in the long run
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18:50<somiaj>!lts
18:50<dpkg>Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <jessie-lts> and <stretch-lts> and see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net.
18:50<somiaj>!stretch-lts
18:50<dpkg>Security support for Debian 9 "stretch" from the Debian Security Team ended July 6 2020. The <LTS> team will continue to provide limited security support for some architectures and a subset of packages until June 30 2022 (total 5 year life). See https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information
18:51<nickdiazswag209>!buster-lts
18:51<dpkg>It is expected that extended security support for Debian 10 "Buster" will be offered by the <LTS> project after the Debian Security Team ceases supporting buster in mid 2022. See https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information.
18:51<somiaj>stretch no longer has LTS support, it does have elts support though, but this is for a very limited number of packages that people pay to keep supported
18:51<somiaj>buster hasn't started lts support yet, buster still has debian security support (old stable gets one year of support after the release)
18:51<somiaj>then lts supports it for 2 years (they don't support desktop packages but most server side stuff)
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18:51<nickdiazswag209>i think stretch is still under LTS isnt it? it's jessie thats under eLTS
18:52<nickdiazswag209>i get your point about LTS though
18:52<somiaj>then lts supports it for another 2 years for those who really can't afford to upgrade and are willing to pay a third party money to fix things
18:52<somiaj>"Security support for Debian 9 "stretch" from the Debian Security Team ended July 6 2020"
18:52<nickdiazswag209>if you look here: https://www.debian.org/releases/, it says it's under LTS still
18:52<somiaj>oh you are correct, that is jessie, the factoid is incorrect
18:52<somiaj>yea
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18:53<somiaj>stretch will have lts support until buster hits lts next summer
18:54<nickdiazswag209>that buys me some peace of mind, i guess i have a little bit of time to look into rubybuild :)
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19:11<dabukalam>i have a virtual interface vlan100, i'm trying to do the same for that but it doesn't work - 'net.ipv4.conf.vlan100.forwarding = 1`
19:12<dabukalam>however i can see the pointer at cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/vlan100/forwarding
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20:54<joeDoe>does cpu microcode exist for the ARM cpu's supported by Debian, or is microcode an Intel/AMD thing only?
20:57<joeDoe>I ask because apt on my sheevaplug is now warning me that it "Failed to check for processor microcode upgrades". It didn't used to do that before recent upgrades from stretch to bullseye. I think it started happening on Buster, but the time on buster before going to bullseye was so short I'm not sure.
20:58<sney>it's only x86_64 as far as I'm aware, but I suppose the kernel has support for loading it in the future if that changes for other architectures
20:59<sney>hm, 32-bit x86 as well
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21:02<joeDoe>sney: ack, so I think I disregard that warning on updates to this box. Thanks
21:02<joeDoe>I think *I'll* disregard...
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22:45<kpd>hi
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22:46<sney>!next
22:46<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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22:49<Wangus>Hey guys. I want to give this OS one last shot. I need help installing/playing a game.
22:53<Wangus>I don't need it to be pretty, I don't need it to be long-term viable.
22:54<Wangus>I am trying to install/play a WoW server called TurtleWoW. There is no help available for this; I have tried it through Steam, Wine, Lutris, and more; which all failed for various reasons.
22:55<Wangus>Right now, I don't know where to start.
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