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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-11-12

---Logopened Fri Nov 12 00:00:00 2021
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00:46<Wangus>I can't even seem to escape this horrible, horrible OS. I've been searching for 20 minutes to find how to create a bootable USB for another distro on Debian, and I can't find a thing!!
00:46<Wangus>Please, for the love of god, somebody come and help me escape this Debian nightmare.
00:46<Wangus>I swear, I am about to snap.
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00:47<sney>so snap, then. or ask a specific question. you seem articulate, describe the problem
00:48<Wangus>I NEED TO KNOW HOW TO CREATE A BOOTABLE USB ON DEBIAN, TO INSTALL ANOTHER OS.
00:48<Wangus>I had thought it was obvious, but clearly not!
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00:50<sney>if the image is a usb image, and most of them are, cp /path/to/file.iso /dev/sdX, where sdX is your usb drive.
00:50<sney>it's in the install guide and the instructions are so short it's easy to miss. https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/ch04s03.en.html
00:51<sney>but since debian doesn't decide what other distros use for images, this might work or it might not. check the other distro's manual to make sure.
00:51<themill>You'd follow the instructions that $other os provides...
00:51<Wangus>Thank you. I will never know why this did not appear anywhere in my internet searches.
00:51<another>most linux isos are hybrid nowadays. don't know about other OSs
00:51<Wangus>And yes. It is an .iso file. Normal procedure.
00:52<sney>.iso doesn't mean anything by itself so "normal procedure" will vary based on what whoever it was did to create their installer
00:52<Wangus>themill: They did not provide any instructions.
00:53<sney>then there is only this,
00:53<themill>Sounds like a distro to avoid.
00:53<sney>!tias
00:53<dpkg>TIAS is "Try It And See".
00:53<another>Out of curiosity: Which distro?
00:53<Wangus>Manjaro.
00:53<Wangus>I figured it would be less trouble than Debian has proved to me.
00:53<Wangus>Call me stupid if you wish.
00:54<another>98% chance their ISOs are hybrid
00:54<sney>I would be very surprised if their images aren't hybrid. have you tried it yet?
00:54<Wangus>Not yet. I am still trying to figure out exactly what I need to type.
00:55<Wangus>It might seem intuitive and obvious to you guys, but to a novice, it is not.
00:55<another>cp foo.iso /dev/disk/by-id/<TAB><TAB>
00:55<themill>no instructions... https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=Burn_an_ISO_File#Writing_to_a_USB_Stick_in_Linux
00:55<themill>5sec with google.
00:55<another>cp foo.iso /dev/disk/by-id/usb-<TAB>
00:56<sney>and even though google has been sabotaging their own algorithm lately, you could also find that from the manjaro website where you presumably downloaded the image
00:56<sney>another's tip is good, though.
00:56<Wangus>I am glad that you were able to find it, mill. I am clearly just searching dumb cunt things like, "How to mount an .iso in Debian -windows"
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00:56<themill>how about you ask the question you have not the solution you think is needed
00:57<themill>that goes for all your questions over the past few days btw
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00:57<Wangus>How about you go and literally fuck yourself, you arrogant worm.
00:57<sney>lol
00:57-!-mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ
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01:02<siva>helo
01:04<sney>hi
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01:04<siva>ware are you ?
01:04<sney>the internet
01:05<siva>country ?
01:05<sney>!chat
01:05<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic or #moocows; or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/
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01:13<tom>hi
01:14<sney>hi
01:14<tom>where u from?
01:14<sney>the internet
01:14<tom>oh
01:16<tom>are u male or female?
01:16<sney>!chat
01:16<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic or #moocows; or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/
01:16<tom>hahaha
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01:16<tom>i know that
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01:17<sney>2 in a row, going for 3?
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01:47<tarzeau>if there's amd64-microcode and intel-microcode. where is arm64-microcode ?
01:47<sney>that'll come once the nvidia acquisition goes through
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03:09<wyre>hi guys, how can I remove the conf files for these old kernel images? https://bpa.st/6O2Q
03:10<wyre>apparently that `rc` means the package has been removed but its status is ... `Conf-files`? 🤔
03:10<Anarka>purge
03:11<Anarka>apt purge thisoldkernel
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05:40<twb>wyre: "r" and "c" are separate code letters -- "removed" and "configured".
05:40<twb>wyre: a package is in this state if you 'remove' rather than 'purge' -- the config stays around in case you install it again
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05:50<wyre>twb, so to perform a full uninstall you have to use `sudo apt purge` instead `sudo apt remove`?
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06:15<at0m>wyre: purge also removes any config files in /etc/, but not in /home.
06:15<wyre>I see ... thank you guys 😁
06:16<at0m>'full uninstall' is a bit ambiguous, since there might be stuff in databases like /var/lib/..
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06:16<at0m>a bit like how any files created using the package won't get removed either
06:17<petn-randall>at0m: Those are usually also removed on purge.
06:17<at0m>petn-randall: db's in /var/lib?
06:17<petn-randall>at0m: yes, at least with postgres.
06:18<petn-randall>at0m: If a package leaves files after install/purge, piuparts will complain, and AFAIR that's considered a RC bug.
06:18<at0m>right. not with mariadb i guess, since multiple packages might use the same db. it gets complicated quick then
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06:19<wyre>petn-randall, what's RC?
06:19<petn-randall>In this case "release-critical", so a bug that needs to be fixed with high priority, and packages with RC bugs won't enter testing or get into the next release.
06:21<wyre>I see
06:21<at0m>reading man dpkg, postrm script decide what purge will remove
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06:34<wyre>what does mean the dfsg in version number? https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/asterisk
06:36<phsw>wyre: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMentorsFaq#What_does_.2BIBw-dfsg.2BIB0_or_.2BIBw-ds.2BIB0_in_the_version_string_mean.3F
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06:37<stevenm>Is there anyway I can mark packages for install (or for removal, or for 'purge removal') but not actually take the action.
06:38<stevenm>e.g. i could have one line to say what I want to purge remove, then after line to say what I want to install (which may include have overlap with what I said to remove)... then a final 'apt-get install -f' or something to execute those combined tasks?
06:38<Klaus_D1eter_>so I am seeing a weird issue: I have recently upgraded to bullseye from oldstable. It seems since then xrandr is not recognizing any more when there is an external screen connected to the hdmi port.
06:38<Klaus_D1eter_>I used to be able to hit a key combination to ask the firmware of my laptop (UX305FA) to output video to that hdmi port and switch between on/off/mirroring modes
06:39<wyre>phsw, I see, thank you very much ... I'm curious because apparently there are later LTS versions for asterisk (like v18) but bullseye has still the v16 😥
06:39<Klaus_D1eter_>that key combination seems no longer be working.
06:40<Klaus_D1eter_>what is the correct place for that kind of issue and what would be good steps to investigate? I have validated the cable works with a different machine. I have validated the screen works with a different machine. I have checked BIOS settings on whether it is possible to turn off the port there (but there is no setting for it).
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06:52<grove>stevenm: You can do something fancy with `dpkg --set-selections`
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06:54<stevenm>i thought that was just used for pre-seeding answers
06:56<grove>Isn't that kind of similar to what you want?
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07:08<stevenm>nope
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07:20<at0m>stevenm: aptitude's ncurses UI allows for such
07:21<at0m>you can mark them, and not execute the install/removal on quit, too
07:21<at0m>*you can mark them, and not execute the install/removal, and have these states saved on quit, too
07:21<at0m>then execute all the marks later
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07:24<pa>somehow my system (Debian 10) got "broken"... i found the problem, but am not sure what caused it nor how to fix it.. oke so the problem is that i cant do anykind of root stuff... i found out that when typing echo $PATH as root will give me: /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games ... but when i look inside /etc/profile, i see: if [ "`id -u`" -eq 0 ]; then PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" ... and
07:24<pa>just to be sure i run id -u as root and it returned the expected 0... any ideas how to fix this?
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07:25<grove>at0m: Thank you, I had a feeling one (or maybe it's all of them) of the UI's could, but could remember if it was aptitude or dselect
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07:26<colo>pa, how exactly do you elevate to root-privs?
07:26<pa>su
07:26<blast007>!buster su
07:26<dpkg>Starting with buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details.
07:27<colo>and there we have it, I think :)
07:28<pa>blast007: thanks that worked...
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07:29<pa>colo: ahh you tanks as well..
07:29<colo>np
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07:33<pa>funny thing, is that i have been using deb10 since it came out.. i remember hearing about this before.. how i suddenly forget about it, i have no clue... old habits i guess... bu just for curiosities sake, technicality whats the - doing? whats the difference between su and su - and why did it change in buster?
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07:36<blast007>not sure on the details, but the wiki link above says that 'su' in buster is provided by a differenc source package, so maybe the 'su' in buster is based on entirely different software than previous versions
07:36<blast007>different*
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07:50<judd>Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 78.14.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 78.14.0esr-1~deb11u1; bookworm: 78.14.0esr-1+b1; buster-security: 78.15.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye-proposed-updates: 78.15.0esr-1~deb11u1; bullseye-security:
07:50<judd>78.15.0esr-1~deb11u1; experimental: 91.1.0esr-1; sid: 91.3.0esr-1
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07:53<pa>i just now made and alias; alias su="su -" and that works.. but later i read in the provide link that it says: Put ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes in /etc/default/su (create it) to get an approximation of the old behavior. would there be any big differences / downsides to just using an alias instead?
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08:17<renken>Hello, do you know which package is responsible for /etc/profile.d/zz-live-config_xinit.sh? I noticed possibly a bug and I wish to patch it upstream
08:18<Anarka>dpkg -S /etc/profile.d/zz-live-config_xinit.sh
08:18<dpkg>You Fool! /etc/profile.d/zz-live-config_xinit.sh is installed!
08:21<renken>Sadly no results Anarka
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08:23<petn-randall>Anarka: Doesn't sound like a file that's shipped in Debian. Where do you have it from?
08:23<Anarka>petn-randall renken asked :)
08:24<petn-randall>woops, yeah, renken ^
08:24<renken>I use lb (live-build) tool to create Debian live ISO
08:26<renken>but I can't find it there either
08:27<petn-randall>renken: I'd check out their IRC: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive
08:27<petn-randall>If they don't respond within a day, I'd try the mailing lilst.
08:28<petn-randall>*list
08:28<renken>Thank you very much petn-randall, I wasn't sure which package is responsible for it that's why I asked here. I'll send a message there
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08:29<petn-randall>No problem, we're here to help, and point in the right direction if needed.
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11:03<bentham>I'm new to this idea of EFI partitions. Are they supposed to be bootable?
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11:04<bentham>Should they be raided, or not?
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11:05<bentham>I've always just booted from /dev/md0 (root partition, ext4) in the past. But now, should I have a separate partition for EFI on each of my raid hard drives?
11:06<petn-randall>bentham: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFI_system_partition
11:06<petn-randall>bentham: They're something that your BIOS reads. They also exist for the old school MSDOS partition table.
11:08<petn-randall>bentham: IIRC you *can* raid them, as long as you put the raid meta-data to the end of the disk. Because otherwise your EFI bios chokes on that.
11:09<bentham>petn-randall: so, it sounds like it would be better for me to NOT raid them.
11:09<bentham>(or certainly easier, and I don't know what I gain by raiding them)
11:09<bentham>Should I flag it as bootable, or continue booting from my / partition?
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11:13<Tj>bentham: with RAID-1 mirror, if the primary boot disk dies, it's possible to boot using the other in limp-along mode (degraded) whereas without, you've got to go back to an external boot device for recovering it
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11:18<Tj>bentham: e.g, I'd create EFI-SP partitions on both devices, MD mirror then with --metadata=1.0 but point the firmware menu to the underlying device. That way the OS keeps everything up to date but if 1 side dies, you can still boot manually by either editing the firmware entry or better-yet, use the EFI removable media path (e.g. /EFI/BOOT/BOOT64.EFI) . grub-install can be passed
11:18<Tj>--force-extra-removable to create that as well as the regular /EFI/debian/ path
11:18<bentham>Tj: I'm in a debian installer right now (yay!)
11:18<bentham>so I get the chance to do it Right (TM) in the standard way
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11:19<Tj>bentham: its more fun to practice it in a VM, since it takes a few manual steps to prepare :D
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11:21<bentham>Tj: blah
11:21<bentham>I don't practice things.
11:22<Tj>I'll see you in a few hours when it finally works then :D
11:22<bentham>I'd like to do this right; if that entails installing it in an incomplete way and then fixing it up, then great.
11:23<bentham>But it sounds like what you're saying is that the Debian Installer is not set up to do EFI in a way that works with multi-disk RAID.
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11:31<petn-randall>bentham: The boot chain is like this: UEFI → ESP → grub stage 1 → grub menu from /boot → your kernel/initramfs from the selection
11:31<petn-randall>bentham: Debian is completely fine with RAIDing /boot/efi, but your BIOS won't be.
11:33<petn-randall>bentham: You can a) have it raided with metadata block 1.0 b) you just have one disk ESP and leave the other partition blank c) same as b, but you regularly copy the live ESP onto the reserve one.
11:34<bentham>petn-randall: thanks for this. So I'm sitting at the installer; how much space at the front of the disk should I allocate to the EFI partition?
11:35<bentham>I'll create the partition on both disks, but I guess I can only mount it on one of them, OR should I raid it first?
11:35<petn-randall>bentham: /boot/efi is 512MB here, with ~28MB used.
11:36<petn-randall>bentham: Not sure if you can. Might be easier to just follow the defaults.
11:36<petn-randall>bentham: If you want to raid them, you will need metadata format 1.0.
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11:39<bentham>petn-randall: Right. So I'll create an unraided partition (on both hard drives) and only use the one on the first hard drive at this stage
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11:41<petn-randall>bentham: TBH that's how I'd keep it. If one disk fails, you'll then have to "manually" recreate the ESP to boot from it.
11:42<bentham>petn-randall: that makes sense. Thanks for this.
11:42<bentham>How do I manually recreate the ESP when the time comes?
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11:43<bentham>Would it be better to seek to raid it some day? Does it need to be at the end of the disk?
11:43<petn-randall>bentham: format is fat32, mount it to /boot/efi, and run grub-install /dev/otherdevice. That should be enough in theory.
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11:52<bentham>petn-randall: so no restrictions with respect to location on the disk?
11:52<bentham>first primary partition OK?
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11:54<somiaj>note, you do need to be booted into uefi for this to work.
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11:54<somiaj>There is an efi boot flag you may need to add to the partition too (forget if this is actually needed or not)
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12:36<bentham>somiaj: The installer sets the bootable flag for me on the EFI partition and does not let me set a bootable flag on other partitions if I have an EFI partition.
12:37<bentham>Why do I want LVM? I've never used it before and have always been happy.
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12:38<bentham>I've read the docs on this; I guess I can change the size of certain partitions.
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12:40<jkc>There is no actual boot flag for EFI system partitions.
12:41<jkc>The boot flag is inherent in the GPT partition type GUID.
12:42<jkc>GPT also has no boot flag in general, so that's why you can't set a boot flag on any other partition. They're actually unnecessary and have been for a long time.
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12:42<bentham>jkc: oh, interesting.
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12:42<bentham>Thanks very much.
12:43<bentham>Now why can I not configure volumes inside the LVM as encrypted volumes?
12:43<jkc>Do you have a single disk?
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12:43<bentham>two disks with raid1
12:44<bentham>I had an idea to put four raid1 volumes (not root) into a volume group
12:44<bentham>and then encrypt two of them.
12:44<jkc>Whoa. No.
12:44<bentham>jkc: OK, why not?
12:44<jkc>Why would you at all?
12:45<bentham>Well, I want to avoid using encfs
12:45<bentham>which is normally how I encrypt data on my servers and workstations; I figured that encrypting the whole volume would be better.
12:45<bentham>Maybe not?
12:45<jkc>On the logical device that is presented as the RAID1, set that as an encrypted disk, e.g. LUKS. On the virtual disk presented from that, use that as your LVM's physical volume.
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12:46<jkc>It's more cumbersome to encrypt each individual volume. Just encrypt, essentially, everything. Then you can manage your LVMs as any normal LVM, with the understanding that the data is encrypted before it hits the disk.
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12:46<bentham>jkc: Ah, so you're saying that I'm doing it in the wrong order.
12:46<jkc>Basically.
12:46<jkc>LVM on LUKS on RAID on disks.
12:46<bentham>And that I should have two partitions -> raid1 -> LUKS -> LVM
12:47<bentham>right.
12:47<bentham>(I was transposing LVM and LUKS)
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12:47<bentham>I should not have followed the order suggested by the Debian Installer.
12:47<bentham>:)
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12:48<jkc>I think that's what guided partitioning will do, but I could be mistaken.
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12:48<bentham>jkc: *nod*
12:49<bentham>I'm a bit worried about this; I only wanted to encrypt two of my partitions because I want to make sure the system will boot without my presence to type the decryption password.
12:49<jkc>So your solution was to leave the other disks unencrypted...?
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12:49<bentham>jkc: Yes, I planned to leave /, /usr, and /var unencrypted.
12:49<jkc>Don't do that.
12:49<jkc>Just encrypt the whole system, and look into using a keyfile for booting.
12:49<bentham>jkc: So do you recommend that I just forget LUKS altogether?
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12:50<bentham>If I use a keyfile for booting, then what is the point of using encryption?
12:50<bentham>Maybe I'm missing something.
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12:51<bentham>Would the keyfile be for some partitions only?
12:51<jkc>Encrypt everything, or encrypt nothing. Don't encrypt piecemeal.
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12:52<jkc>Use a USB key to hold the keyfile, the system boots via that. Pull the USB stick, no more key.
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12:52<Idk>Where am i
12:52<Sqrt{not}>%new2irc
12:52<dselect>You are chatting on IRC. IRC is the original group chat. Similar to platforms like Slack, Matrix, or Discord, IRC was invented in the 1980s and formalized with RFC 1459 in 1993. This channel, #debian, is for help with the debian operating system. Ask us a debian support question, or read more about IRC at https://netsplit.de or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC
12:53<petn-randall>bentham: GPT has no concept of primary partitions, there's no practical limit like with MSDOS partition tables.
12:53<bentham>jkc: Yea, that's what I thought you meant. But the usefulness of that is much less for me, since this is a server sitting in a place that I'll always want to boot it remotely, wherever I am.
12:53<Idk>Ok
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12:53<bentham>petn-randall: I like that.
12:53<jkc>bentham: What data are you trying to protect?
12:53<bentham>jkc: just home directory data, and data on network volumes that this server will serve.
12:54<jkc>And who are you trying to protect it from?
12:54<bentham>not things like SSH host keys, and certainly not the boring stuff in /usr
12:54<bentham>(sorry, boring was the wrong word.)
12:55<bentham>jkc: I want to protect it from people who might break into the room with the server, unplug my device, and haul it away.
12:55<jkc>And the datacenter you're using is so completely inept that that's actually possible?
12:55<bentham>jkc: In this case.... yes. I think so.
12:55<bentham>Or, rather, I don't know otherwise.
12:56<jkc>Uh. Then you have much larger problems than this.
12:56<bentham>jkc: Maybe so. In which case, maybe I'll leave it unencrypted and just use encfs for the sensitive stuff.
12:56<jkc>I would look to see if your datacenter has any kind of published SOC 2 Type II or ISO 27001 report.
12:57<jkc>If so, read it. You might be surprised at how strict physical access security is at most datacenters.
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12:58<bentham>jkc: I appreciate that; thanks for that guidance.
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13:00<bentham>I guess I should just put my LVM on a single big partition, huh?
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13:00<bentham>(and I'll leave / out of it)
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13:08<bentham>jkc: Thank you very much for your help. I feel that I just travelled through time, forward by about a decade.
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13:16<bentham>argh, how do I opt out of the package popularity contest after opting in?
13:17<bentham>The installer seems to not let me change that option and does not give me the option to change it after I made the mistake.
13:17<bentham>I guess I start over now? :(
13:17<sney>dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest
13:18<bentham>sney: not in the installer
13:18<sney>(from your system, after the install is finished)
13:18<bentham>sney: OK.
13:18<bentham>Why does it not let me undo my mistake?
13:18<bentham>(the installer I mean)
13:18<bentham>it should be idempotent
13:19<sney>dunno, maybe expert mode does
13:19<bentham>I am in expert mode.
13:19<sney>then it's probably just something that was never needed/tested before
13:20<bentham>Am I right that 'popularity-contest' is what the Installer means when it asks me whether I would like to participate in the package usage survey?
13:20<bentham>That was just a guess of mine. An educated guess maybe.
13:20<bentham>But still a guess.
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13:20<sney>,i popularity-contest
13:20<judd>Package popularity-contest (misc, optional) in bullseye/amd64: Vote for your favourite packages automatically. Version: 1.71; Size: 67.1k; Installed: 189k; Homepage: https://popcon.debian.org/
13:20<sney>it's the name of the package.
13:20<bentham>Yes, yes.
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13:22<bentham>I'm starting over.
13:23<imMute>bentham: you don't need to reinstall to disable popularity-contest
13:24<bentham>imMute: sure, but I don't want it to be enabled during the installation and the period between the time I do the installation and the time I get around to removing it.
13:25<imMute>fair enough.
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13:53<dpkg>methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package
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13:54<amacater_>dpkg-reconfigure popcon shouud do it
13:57<somiaj>bentham: LVM is optional, and I don't use it (just another layer to worry about for data recovery). It does come with some advatnages, like allowing you to have a single file system span multiple physical drives, being able to easily grow/shrink partitions, be able to take snapshots of your file systems quickly and easily, so it does have a lot of useful features many users want and thus is a useful layer
13:57<somiaj>if you use the features.
13:58<somiaj>well I should say I don't use it on my home systems. I use it on my laptop (because of encryption) and some servers I manage due to raid and allowing a bit easier ways for backups
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14:59<mushroom>hi! I know there is an automatic "build" system in which package maintainers upload source code, this system automatically compiles the code in a package, and this package pass by several stages (unstable, testing ...). I would like to know how individual packages are checked against malware, and how the "build" system itself is checked also against malware. Thx! :)
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15:09<ObsidianOrb>I cant seem to get my second monitor to work. Debian 11 Stable w/KDE. I used this command to enable both outputs "xrandr --setprovideroutputsource 1 0" but the screen still doesnt work. It worked previously under Pop!_Os
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15:10<ckosloff>I am at my wits end. Power supply crapped out so I replaced, but hit another problem IBUS wouldn't let me login, computer stopped, so my bad I should have run fsck on /dev.sda1 but instead I decided for the brute force appraach. Zreoed out drive with dd if=/dev/zero of=dev/sda. and attempted reinstall from netinst.
15:12<somiaj>ObsidianOrb: you have done xrandr --listproviders (do you see the second provider there, is it still given the same index value '1 0'?
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15:13<ckosloff>Everything works up to Select and install software, it fails near completion, tried resuming the process several times and it never reaches completion.
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15:16<ObsidianOrb>somiaj: yes it shows both but I dont really understand the other info it lists: https://pastebin.com/3VkN1ErN
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15:16<Sqrt{not}>ckosloff, how does it fail?
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15:17<somiaj>hmm, not sure why you can't add the other provider then
15:17<somiaj>just wanted to make sure it was being detected
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15:18<ObsidianOrb>it wasnt until I used that command "xrandr --setprovideroutputsource 1 0"
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15:22<ckosloff>Sqrt{not}: it doesn't say, simply stops and after a while a dialof appears saying the asn installation step faile, if a rerun it fails again
15:23<ckosloff>Sqrt{not}: sorry about typos
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15:28<Sqrt{not}>ckosloff, what is the last thing that succeeded? can you switch to VT4 [alt+F4] and look for relevant log messages ?
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15:38<ObsidianOrb>Hey I got it working, I installed arandr and added the second source and it worked
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15:51<ckosloff>Sqrt{not}: will retry formatting the target (sda1) and restarting process, will let you know
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15:56<Sqrt{not}>ckosloff, OK. I may be away from my computer, but if it fails again, please stay at the failure, don't reboot or something, so that we can ask you questions, and you can look at things in the installer, OK?
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16:08<trevorksmith>Anyone good with regex know what regex i could use in bash to capture all these disks? - https://pastebin.com/raw/yiZpKt0T
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16:09<trevorksmith>I assume the best thing to do here it to run a for loop for all disks with mkfs.ext4 once i get the regex correct.
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16:11<ckosloff> Sqrt{not}OK
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16:39<ckosloff>Sqrt{not}: if you are still there, there is something new in the installer, it was never there before, it is the PAM authentication profiles, I have to select at least one to pas this step Once I select UNIX and another time I added another one, it failed both, this is a ridiculous step.
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16:54<ObsidianOrb>Hey I just rebooted and all my second monitor settings got wiped. How do I make them permanent?
16:55<ObsidianOrb>It seems that after reboot I have to run this: "xrandr --setprovideroutputsource 1 0" to get both sources to be recognized then activate my second screen
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17:04<somiaj>ObsidianOrb: you can put that command in ~/.xsessionrc and it should be ran before start kde
17:05<somiaj>You can also write a custom xorg.conf.d/ snippit to enable the second provider by default when xorg is loaded, though the details are a bit vague to me here
17:09<ObsidianOrb>do I need to create a new ~/.xsessionrc file or should there be one already?
17:10<trevorksmith>If i have redundant SAS paths for drives, is it normal to see the drive multiple times under lsblk?
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17:17<Sqrt{not}>ckosloff, which step are you at in the installer, when you see this PAM question?
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17:21<somiaj>ObsidianOrb: you can create it if it isn't there
17:21<Sqrt{not}>ckosloff, which installer image are you using? what is the filename you downloaded?
17:23<bentham>OK, now I'm in
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17:24<ObsidianOrb>somiaj: ok thanks!
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17:26<bentham>er, sorry. What I meant to say was: I'm getting an error with the bullseye installer. When I look at /var/log/syslog, I see (dates removed):
17:26<bentham>https://paste.debian.net/1219334/
17:26<bentham>Ordinarily I would fix this by hand. But this is in the installer! And it isn't 'unstable'. It is bullseye.
17:27<bentham>amd64. I used the 'firmware' netinst image.
17:28<bentham>Why is this happening? Is there a way to resolve it? I don't even want bind9; I want unbound anyway. But this is during the 'Select and install software' phase, and I get a fatal error.
17:28<somiaj>,v perl-base
17:28<judd>Package: perl-base on amd64 -- stretch-security: 5.24.1-3+deb9u5; stretch: 5.24.1-3+deb9u7; stretch-proposed-updates: 5.24.1-3+deb9u7; buster: 5.28.1-6+deb10u1; bullseye-security: 5.32.1-4+deb11u1; bullseye: 5.32.1-4+deb11u2; bookworm: 5.32.1-6; sid: 5.32.1-6; experimental: 5.34.0-2
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17:29<bentham>somiaj: Yes, I figured that much. But why is it trying to install something that wants 5.32.1-4+deb11u1
17:29<somiaj>My guess is you have the security sources but not the bullseye sources which updated as much.
17:30<bentham>I did tick the 'security' box, along with 'backports'
17:30<somiaj>or you have some conflict, anyways since this is at the tasksel stage, you can just skip this stage, install the base system, and then update from there.
17:30<somiaj>I did see someone else with this issue, are you using the 11.0 or 11.1 installer?
17:30<bentham>let me check.
17:31<somiaj>personally if it was me, I would skip the tasksel (install additional software stage), and finialize the install of the base system. Reboot into the base system, double check the sources, make sure the system is up to date, then start to install additional software
17:31<bentham>11.1.0
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17:32<bentham>Well, I don't want to have to discover everything that I want by hand. I really do like tasksel for the initial installation.
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17:32<somiaj>that's fine
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17:33<somiaj>just rerun tasksel once you are into your base system (outside the installer) and everything is updated
17:33<bentham>I'm remote.
17:33<somiaj>you can also install the metapackage task-foo for the tasks you want which is what tasksel does anyways
17:33<bentham>If I reboot now, will I still be able to ssh into it? It seems like a lot of faith.
17:34<codex_>hi, i'm a copmlete noob needing help installing nvidia drivers on antix
17:34<bentham>OK, is there a list of the task-foo that tasksel does so that I can do that by hand?
17:34<somiaj>There you'll have to ensure ssh server is installed, you could also switch to a shell and manually update your install and install ssh
17:34<bentham>Better still, is there a way for me to do it by hand *inside the installer*?
17:35<towo`>codex_: here is #debian, not #antix
17:35<somiaj>anyways, I have seen at least one other have this issue with the installer and some conflict between the security sources and the main bullseye sources. Maybe don't select security during the install, and then install the security stuff afterwards
17:35<somiaj>I am surprised I couldn't find a bug report about this, it isn't common, but it has hit a few users here
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17:36<bentham>somiaj: OK, doing that
17:36<bentham>somiaj: that does seem to work.
17:36<bentham>I guess I'll add security sources after the installation completes.
17:37<somiaj>I would report a bug against the debian-installer about this. I'm not quite sure what causes it, but there is some conflict due to patches added to debian with the point release not in bullseye-security
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17:37<somiaj>but if just installing the security fixes after the install works, this should get you on your way
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17:38<bentham>somiaj: yes, I think so, thanks very much.
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17:41<somiaj>Sqrt{not}: ckosloff: ^^ could that be the same issue you are running into?
17:43<Sqrt{not}>%antix
17:43<dselect>antiX is a distribution <based on debian> that is designed to be run on older or low-memory systems. It uses sysvinit or runit in place of <systemd>. It is related to <mxlinux>. It is not supported in #debian. Support is available on their forum: https://antixforum.com. If you are new to linux, or want a distro with IRC support, try Debian instead: https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian
17:43<Sqrt{not}>codex_, we don't know about antix here. see above for where you can ask
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17:51<luiz>hi, how can i reduce the overheating in debian?
17:53<somiaj>This is more hardware related than debian, what hardware (desktop/laptop)?
17:54<luiz>i use a dell inspiron 7520 laptop
17:55<somiaj>I would clean it first, make sure there isn't any buildup in the fans, blow them out if possible
17:55<somiaj>also make sure the fans are working
17:55<somiaj>and maybe get some sort of stand to rest the laptop on so you get airflow under it, I have used small wired basets for this in the past
17:56<somiaj>keep the machine from sitting on surfaces it can't get good airflow
17:56<luiz>other distros linux dont overheat that much in my laptop, but im a fan of debian and prefere it than any other distro...
17:57<somiaj>If there is some software you have installed taking a lot of cpu ussage use tools like top/htop to track it down
17:57<somiaj>under top at near the top, what is the load average?
17:57<luiz>ok, is there any adittional drive or pkg that helps to reduce the overheating?
17:57<kveroneau>Could it be related to Debian missing some sort of package which is needed to regulate his CPU fan?
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17:58<somiaj>kveroneau: maybe firmware could help with this, but usually this is done by the bios firmware and not the os
17:58<somiaj>I would first make sure there isn't some process that is eating up way to much cpu keeping things running
17:58<somiaj>knowing the load average would be a good place to start
17:58<kveroneau>Yeah, he should post the output of `uptime` for us.
17:59<kveroneau>This will show how the CPU has been running for the last bit.
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18:00<Sqrt{not}>somiaj, yep, sounds like somewhat similar issues.. Still not enough detail on ckosloff's situation,,, hopefully they will return and give more information
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18:01<luiz>top shows 0.70 0.64 0.35 avarage
18:02<luiz>core temp ups to 99celcius sometimes, with multiple apps
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18:02<somiaj>usually the os isn't in charge of telling the hardware to turn on the fan as it heats up/is under a load
18:02<somiaj>though that load average isn't bada at all, no run away processes.
18:03<somiaj>I can't think of what would be needed at the software level. There isn't any package that 'makes debian run cooler', though maybe firmware could help
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18:03<somiaj>what is the output of 'dmesg | grep -i firmware'
18:03<luiz>i use some large libs in RStudio, videos, bluetooth audio...
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18:04<luiz>20:04:40 up 26 min, 1 user, load average: 0.77, 0.51, 0.33
18:05<somiaj>If some other distro doens't have this problem, you may want to check what sort of firmware they use or look at if they have additional software. but in general it is the job of the mainboard's firmwarew to keep things cool, not the os
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18:07<luiz>[ 0.120285] Spectre V2 : Enabling Restricted Speculation for firmware calls
18:07<luiz>[ 1.885058] [drm:radeon_pci_probe [radeon]] *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware installed
18:07<luiz>[ 1.885111] See https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware for information about missing firmware
18:07<luiz>[ 2.036798] [Firmware Bug]: ACPI(PEGP) defines _DOD but not _DOS
18:07<luiz>[ 2.037394] [Firmware Bug]: Duplicate ACPI video bus devices for the same VGA controller, please try module parameter "video.allow_duplicates=1"if the current driver doesn't work.
18:07<luiz>[ 4.443222] platform regulatory.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware regulatory.db
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18:12<tomreyn>luiz: use a pastebin, see /topic
18:13<tomreyn>but this already suggests you may want / need to install firmware
18:13<tomreyn>that may or may not be related to the overheating issue - more likely not.
18:13<somiaj>looks like they are missing some firmware for their gpu, which means rendering is done on the software side, this could cause thinsg to not require so much cpu
18:13<somiaj>well it could be if they do heavy graphics/gpu stuff that is not be offloaded to the gpu because of no drm
18:14<tomreyn>yes, that's right
18:14<somiaj>oh they weren't kicked, on second
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18:15<tomreyn>but that'd still be a bad design in terms of thermals.
18:15<tomreyn>luiz: you can now talk again
18:15<somiaj>luiz: You may find that installing firmware-amd-graphics will help, it will at least allow you to use drm with your gpu
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18:16<somiaj>if you had more stuff that got lost due to the flood, paste the full output at paste.debian.net
18:17<luiz>ok
18:17<tomreyn>firmware-amd-graphics is in the "non-free" repository, you'll need to add this to apt
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18:25<luiz>tks guys
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18:31<jim>Hi all, someone helped me the other day and I forgot who it was and I really appreciate the help. I'm having trouble with konsole crasjhing. I tried to run it in another termial and got the message "could not find binary: firejail". I thought I deleted firejail and my autoremove said it was being removed but it's not I guess. The only way to run konsole was to put sude in front of the command in the properties.
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18:33<somiaj>well could not find binary: firejail means that the binary is removed, but for some reason your setup with konsole is looking for it
18:33<somiaj>my guess is you have an issue with your user configuration, here is a test you can do
18:33<somiaj>create a new non-root user
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18:33<somiaj>see if things work well with that user, if so you can deduce that the problem is with that users confiuration files
18:34<somiaj>the other option is just go track down konsoles configuration files in $HOME and delete them (move them out of the way)
18:34<jim>I pref to do the latter
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18:35<ObsidianOrb>somiaj: I added the command: "xrandr --setprovideroutputsource 1 0" to .xsessionrc but after another reboot it still didnt work. I had to run the cmd again before the source was available via arandr
18:36<somiaj>how do you log into xorg/KDE?
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18:36<ObsidianOrb>I just login with default login screen
18:36<ObsidianOrb>I installed Debian stable and selected KDE as my DE
18:36<somiaj>okay so a display manager, ~/.xsessionrc should be parsed by this, so I'm surprised that didn't work.
18:37<ObsidianOrb>Yeah I am not sure either, I thought my setup was pretty standard
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18:38<somiaj>https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/166448/xorg-set-provider-source-output-in-xorg-conf
18:38<somiaj>the advise there is the same as I gave you
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18:38<somiaj>they offer another method at the system level, create a script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ but ~/.xsessionrc should work
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18:39<ObsidianOrb>Is there any formatting necessary or just adding the command is enough?
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18:39<somiaj>you can test if it works by running 'source /path/to/script'
18:40<somiaj>It is just a shell script, so putting the command as you shared here should be enough
18:40<ObsidianOrb>does it need exec permissions?
18:41<somiaj>nope
18:41<somiaj>because it is sourced
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18:42<ObsidianOrb>I get X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
18:42<ObsidianOrb>but all thats in the file is the command
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18:50<somiaj>wonder if this is being ran to early in the bootup process
18:51<somiaj>maybe just make a .desktop file and set it up to autostart, so look up how to run a command when kde starts using an autostart
18:51<somiaj>I'm just surprised this isn't working
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19:04<Sqrt{not}>ObsidianOrb, where is your .xsessionrc located? what directory is it in?
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19:08<iirked>secret channel?
19:09<somiaj>It is meant to help stop random spam bots
19:10<iirked>i wont tell them
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19:14<tjcarter>Secret channel! Secret channel! Secret secret secret secret CHANNELLLLL!
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19:23<k-man>i replaced the battery in my laptop, but now the battery level seems erratic
19:24<k-man>like it will say criitically low, then when i plug in the power, it will jump to 40%
19:24<k-man>is there some way to calibrate it?
19:25<ObsidianOrb>Sqrt{not}: it's in my home dir
19:26<somiaj>k-man: some hardware you want to run the battery completely dead then fully charge it, that should help calibrate the hardware
19:30<tjcarter>That ought to help a lot—if it doesn't, you may have a bad battery. It happens annoyingly.
19:31<tjcarter>But try a drain/charge cycle first for calibration
19:31<k-man>righto thank you
19:32<k-man>i shall try
19:32<k-man>how will i tell it not to sleep
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19:34<k-man>nm, found it in power settings
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20:01<feiqu>My kernel log is getting spammed by the following message all the time: "ucsi_acpi USBC000:00: possible UCSI driver bug 2" and "ucsi_acpi USBC000:00: conX: failed to get status" (X is an increasing number). Is it possible to supress this error?
20:01<feiqu>I don't see any problem regarding that error, so I don't see any need to debug that.
20:08<iirked>how do you read kernel log?
20:08<iirked>dmesg?
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20:09<feiqu>Yes, exactly
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21:14<Sqrt{not}>feiqu, does dmesg say anything about loading/missing USB-C firmware? What processor is this? Do you have any USB-C devices connected to it?
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21:50<feiqu>I found some other errors by upowerd which seem to be related to the kerner errors and other errors complaining about a BIOS bug. I'll install a UEFI update the next days, that may help getting rid of that error.
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23:40<Guest5753>howto remove a package that fails to remove with apt-get purge PACKAGE? package post-removal script subprocess returned error exit status 1
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