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---Logopened Mon Nov 15 00:00:04 2021
00:00<tzf>at : .xsession-errors
00:00<somiaj>oh in .xsession-errors you are going to see errors from everything, most of them won't apply to zoom
00:00<somiaj>anyways, seems zoom redirects its stderr and stdout to a logfile, that is probably the best place to look
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00:02<tzf>yes i am now looking there now
00:02<tzf>i checked .xsession-errors because you suggested it as well
00:02<somiaj>yea, that was before I realized that zoom redircts its stdout/stderr to its own log file
00:03<somiaj>.xsession-errors is just the standard output of stderr for applications ran from a wm
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00:05<tzf>ok. somiaj, in /home/user/.zoom/logs i can find one file : << zoom_stdout_stderr.log >> and many << crash_5.8.3.145_debian_2021-1110-101511.dmp >>
00:05<tzf>but i can't read them
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00:06<somiaj>those might be core dumps, you may have to contact zoom support and work with them, they might know how to read those files
00:06<tzf>okay
00:06<somiaj>in general Debian can't really support zoom, but now you know, check those logs, contact their support. I can't get it to crash here
00:07<tzf>yes i perfectly understand that
00:07<tzf>close sources programs are just good at we close the door at them...
00:08<somiaj>It appears zoom is providing info about the crash, but it appears it is a core dump of some type, which requires build headers to read
00:08<tzf>thank you all for your help ! i see more clearly now !
00:08<tzf>yes'
00:09<somiaj>so you just create a meeting, record the meeting to the computer, say record 30seconds, then 'end meeting for all' and it crashes?
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00:10<tzf>end the meeting, and one the spot start a second meeting before first meeting finish it converting
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00:10<tzf>on* the spot
00:11<somiaj>so why not just wait until the recording is done before staring another meeting?
00:12<tzf>because one hour meeting take 10minutes converting... one class start from 8 to 9(converting) start 9 to 10(crash)
00:12<somiaj>classes you are in or classes you are hosting?
00:13<tzf>classe madame is hosting, she is the teacher
00:13<twb>sounds to me like "conversion" = ffmpeg
00:13<somiaj>Anyways, I can't get it to crash here doing what yous aid, starting another meeting really quickly
00:13<twb>it is normal for ffmpeg to be slow. If it is too slow, tune the output
00:13<twb>e.g. smalelr resolution
00:13<tzf>zoom do it own converting, shall i send you a scrot about it?
00:13<twb>tzf: so you have to patch how zoom calls ffmpeg
00:14<twb>Or, another easy fix, is to just have two computers
00:14<somiaj>twb: zoom doens't depend on ffmpeg, it is probably using its own encoder.
00:14<tzf>it's its own encoder it seems
00:14<twb>somiaj: almost certainly embedded ffmpeg tho
00:14<twb>libffmpeg or whatever
00:14<twb>unless zoom is incompetent at that also...
00:15<twb>tzf: since the american spies copy every zoom conversation, maybe you can just ask them for a copy
00:15<twb>https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2021/08/zoom-lied-about-end-to-end-encryption.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2020/04/security_and_pr_1.html
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00:16<somiaj>I ended up just using windows the year I had to work remotely, just to avoid issues like this. Not the best solution, but my job required it and I didn't have time to debug issues
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00:17<tzf>so sorry i closed by mistake and i haven't seen your 3 last sentences
00:17<somiaj>not missing much, anyways, contact zoom support is about the best you can do here
00:17<tzf>ok
00:17<somiaj>though I cannot get it to crash here, and I'm unsure what could be different about your setup
00:18<tzf>ok
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00:18<tzf>as soon as i get it fix hopefully i will come and give an update
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00:21<tzf>have a nice time, for me to go
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00:51<jpw>i see the default password hashing mechanism has switched to yesencrypt in bullseye. are there any utilities to generate these hashes supported by the distro? `openssl passwd` doesn't yet.
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01:10<Konomi>I have a strange problem, my mozilla/firefox directory has two files named prefs.js anyone know how?
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01:11<Konomi>even have the exact same inode number >.<
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01:24<Konomi>hmm I moved one of the files out now it shows as ? in the terminal output for the remaining one
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01:28<twb>Konomi: as in 'find -ls' reports 'prefs.js' twice?
01:28<twb>Konomi: sounds like your filesystem is corrupt
01:29<Konomi>twb: it's working fine other than this one anomaly
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01:33<twb>I would 1) check backups; 2) force fsck; 3) maybe backup and restore the firefox conf specifically?
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01:37<Konomi>I'm on btrfs also asking them there is not fsck
01:38<Konomi>tempted to just copy the directory and remove the directory itself but I'd probably end up with directory not empty
01:38<Konomi>trying all that
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01:40<Konomi>that worked it still complained about the file missing but rm -r on the directory containing the file I couldn't do anything with is gone
01:40<twb>Konomi: "btrfs fi scrub /" or whatever then
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01:41<twb>https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/btrfs-progs/btrfs-scrub.8.en.html
01:41<twb>https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/btrfs-progs/btrfs-check.8.en.html
01:41<Konomi>I've got scheduled scrubs they never picked it up and just left but I'll run one anyway
01:46<Konomi>https://serverfault.com/questions/65616/question-marks-showing-in-ls-of-directory-io-errors-too apparently other people have had this happen before
01:46<Konomi>no clear solution though
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01:48<twb>It means the directory is corrupt
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01:53<Konomi>twb: someone in btrfs said something along the lines of it being a broken "dentry"
01:53<Konomi>web search says
01:53<Konomi>> A dentry is the glue that holds inodes and files together by relating inode numbers to file names. Dentries also play a role in directory caching which, ideally, keeps the most frequently used files on-hand for faster access. File system traversal is another aspect of the dentry as it maintains a relationship between directories and their files.
01:54<twb>>handwave<
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02:16<Konomi>no errors found on scrub or any previous scheduled scrubs but I presume btrfs doesn't care about a broken dentry if it was that
02:17<twb>Konomi: did you do a "check" also?
02:18<twb>Konomi: the manpage I linked to said that "scrub" is crap on btrfs
02:19<Konomi>hmm I'd need to reboot and get some live media
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03:45<Konomi>I found one other bad inode via btrfs check it was just some discord cache directory so I removed it rerun btrfs check no errors now
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03:50<twb>Cool
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03:50<twb>I'm glad the test tools helped
03:50<Konomi>I'm going to run --check-data-csum as well it's listed as safe and basically a read only scrub but I don't want to have to reboot again so mise well
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03:52<Konomi>thanfully the extents weren't affecting anything important
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03:54<Konomi>probably from when I had a bad motherboard freezing my system replaced that thankfully
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04:03*twb hugs ZFS
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04:04<Konomi>I imagine zfs on root wouldn't be a fun time ;p
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04:16<twb>Konomi: my laptop, home NAS, work server, work router/firewall, and a couple of customer servers, are all doing that.
04:16<twb>All on Debian 11
04:17<Konomi>I thought you needed native kernel module to have zfs as the root?
04:18<twb>zfs-dkms is sufficient
04:18<Konomi>what happens if dkms fails to build?
04:18<twb>However /boot/efi cannot currently be on ZFS
04:18<twb>Konomi: then your system breaks
04:18<twb>Konomi: just like any other important dkms
04:19<Konomi>ouch I'd rather stick with btrfs, also I thought /boot/efi always had to be on fat32 reguardless cause of microsoft?
04:19<twb>I ran btrfs before but it just wasn't getting stable fast enough
04:20<twb>With ZFS I get transparent compression (so need about 60% less disk) and I can do incremental encrypted backups to untrustworthy countries like USA
04:21<Konomi>without getting into a debate I think btrfs could probably do all of that as well but eh, btrfs has been good for me
04:22<Konomi>only trouble I ever got into was the whole freespace thing back in 4.12? haven't had a problem since
04:23<Konomi>it would've been nice if scrub had picked up on this extent issue though
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04:30*enyc meows Konomi twb
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04:30<GiuseppeBadaBopi>Hi, i used https://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/bullseye/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso for an installation in a server, i have installed Nginx and some other packages, to the question: is there a default firewall enabled, i can't seem to reach things in the server even though ports are open in router
04:30*Konomi mews back
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04:30<Konomi>shouldn't be one
04:31<Konomi>all my installs even netinst/stable never had a firewall by default
04:31<GiuseppeBadaBopi>Locally i can reach everything fine, so that is a bit odd.
04:31<enyc>+1 no, there isn't a default firewall
04:31<GiuseppeBadaBopi>It had Ubuntu Server prior to this with disabled UFW, and then i had no issues.
04:31<enyc>GiuseppeBadaBopi: I could only think default-gateway set wrong on debian, but then it wouldn't talk to internet
04:31<GiuseppeBadaBopi>And regular server packages doesn't pull any firewall packages either?
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04:32<enyc>GiuseppeBadaBopi: ISP changed something in their network/nat/firmwall their end?
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04:32<enyc>I helped a friend set up OpenWRT routers and get rid of annoying ISP routers lately!
04:32<GiuseppeBadaBopi>No they have not, my IP is public and address is same as before. not NATed
04:32<GiuseppeBadaBopi>Not an ISP router either
04:32<Konomi>systemctl list-units | grep firewall just in case
04:33<GiuseppeBadaBopi>thanks @Konomi i will check that
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04:34<Qan_Remote>Something I can't google straigt away: can I upgrade several older versions to the new one ?
04:34<Qan_Remote>Like 7 to 11 ?
04:34<Konomi>I mean "can" yes
04:34<Konomi>will it go smoothly? no probably not
04:35<Qan_Remote>So I should do 4 upgrades then ?
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04:35<Konomi>oof that's hard to answer I've never seen anyone do it
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04:35<Qan_Remote>Do what ? 4 upgrades ? Sure you have, with time in between ?
04:35<Konomi>myself I'd just go to the latest version and fix things but I can generally fix a lot of problems easily
04:35<Qan_Remote>Or do you mean in 1 go ?
04:36<Konomi>also doing each version would obviously take longer
04:36<Konomi>I've always kept up to date so maybe someone else will know I can't really answer hoping more than 1 major release
04:36<Qan_Remote>Kinda sucks, but ok. System is bare, so should be fast.
04:37<Qan_Remote>Ouch, postgressql right almost fergot
04:37<Qan_Remote>Have to do a dump-to-upgrade first, or will debian take care of that ?
04:38<Anarka>theres info on postgres debian package readme on what to do but you should for sure have a backup before doing it
04:40<Qan_Remote>Found it, debian should do it, but a db-dump is a good plan
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07:52<AndroUser>I have an issue who can support me
07:53<AndroUser>When I rotate screen, mplayer is not playing in its frame
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08:38<TP211>Which channel do I go to (If I want to ask questions about APT)?
08:38<TP211>Is it #debian-dpkg?
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09:22<AndroUser>Who can support me
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11:01<bentham>I'm noticing something very strange with my newly installed bullseye system.
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11:01<bentham>The function keys are not producing the right outputs.
11:01<bentham>For example, F3 is tab, F4 is 'a', F5 is 'd', and so on.
11:02<bentham>I have a window manager that depends upon the function keys intrinsically.
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11:02<bentham>In fact, I have the same home directory across two debian bullseye amd64 machines with identical keyboards and keyboard configurations.
11:02<bentham>(or so I think)
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11:03<bentham>I tried dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration but it does nothing. It has the same values as the correct keyboard, which works.
11:03<bentham>I've tried a few different window managers and see the same problems regardless.
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11:03<bentham>Am I missing something fundamental perhaps? Maybe an xorg package?
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11:15<bentham>this is what I get when I run xev and press the F4 key: https://paste.debian.net/1219607/
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11:17<bentham>whereas I want this behaviour instead: https://paste.debian.net/1219608/
11:18<bentham>Not sure why it thinks that Super_L is pressed
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11:21<blast007>have you tried another keyboard on that computer?
11:23<bentham>blast007: That's a fine plan.
11:24<bentham>Actually, I think I got it. This keyboard has strange defaults, and I forgot the special thing that I had to do to set it up.
11:24<bentham>Thanks all.
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12:06<blast007>colinmc: Please keeps messages in the channel
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12:09<colinmc>blast007 configure keyboard are easy, research in google
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12:09<blast007>I'm not configuring a keyboard
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12:10<colinmc>talk of freeBSD Unix, have debian 10.9 in other portable, freeBSD and Debian, are bigger Unix
12:10<colinmc>Your Unix are system V, are very easy and more bigger of freeBSD
12:11<colinmc>will update debian 10.9 to 11.1 more later
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12:12<colinmc>My first computer dragon 64k with Unix and Pc xt, write little in C/C++, how for example tetris or super mario bros
12:12<colinmc>remakes only in debian
12:12<colinmc>45/M/Catalonia
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12:15<colinmc>have 16 computers and will other 5 portables, will make laboratory of much Unix of much colours, how openBSD, netBSD, debian hurd, Aix, Sco, solaris, slackware, kilie, ubuntu, openSuSE, dragonfy, ghostBSD
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12:15<colinmc>dragonfly
12:15<colinmc>talk of old computer, are slow, have new portables how leonovo
12:16<colinmc>Mac os big sur to macintosh are Unix shit
12:17<colinmc>blast007 in installation of debian you cant try your language
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12:17<colinmc>and cant encrypted partition
12:17<blast007>what
12:18<colinmc>blast007 debian are easy linux
12:18<colinmc>linux are Unix system V, and are good but are easy
12:19<colinmc>english high almost very high
12:20<colinmc>Slackware run promot how unix system BSD, but slackware system V, are small Linux but are good
12:20<blast007>!chat
12:20<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic or #moocows; or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/
12:21<colinmc>dpkg ok i understand i go in network with debian and much Unix's
12:21<dpkg>colinmc: i haven't a clue
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13:13<Meecosha>This looks fun
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13:15<jeremiah>Indeed it is.
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13:22<grump-e>is there any image of debian i can put on a CD to get started?
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13:23<grump-e>don't have any blank dvds ... or usb sticks... trying to figure out how to install debia...
13:23<enigma9o7[m]>the net installer fits on a cd, but you'll want a network...
13:24<grump-e>that is fine, i can plug the unit in to a router
13:25<grump-e>i figured it would need a connection given that it'll need more files... just need a minimum install to be in *nix land
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13:26<enigma9o7[m]>https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.1.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-11.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso for example
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13:36<grump-e>OK cool... i think i am on the path
13:36<grump-e>trying to bust out! of win10... -.-
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13:37<Sqrt{not}>grump-e, also see the install manual: https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/installmanual
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13:38<grump-e>thanksSs
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14:33<spawacz>mason: guess what, im just done restoring all the data from yesterday
14:33<spawacz>and disk was NOT an issue
14:33<spawacz>facepalm.jpg
14:33<spawacz>i have some dodgy motherboard that breaks disks when you change kernel boot options, something with iommu
14:35<spawacz>and i was toying with these past day
14:36<mason>spawacz: Ah!!! Yeah, it's always good to verify all the different pieces. The disk seemed like a fair bet, but we couldn't rule out the controller.
14:37<mason>I'm glad it's understood and under control today.
14:37<spawacz>https://archived.forum.manjaro.org/t/installed-linux-on-gigabyte-970a-ds3p-motherboard-lost-all-data/110018
14:38<spawacz>This is literally my situation 100%
14:39<spawacz>well, technically i still dont understand what this magical switch does
14:39<spawacz>but i sure will read on that
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15:44<fake_sney>can I use timedatctl to update system time form internet?
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15:46<sney>o_o
15:47<jkc>fake_sney: Yes. timedatectl set-ntp on
15:48<fake_sney>thanks i will try it , can I run a command when resuming from hibnernation?
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15:55<fake_sney>clock need to be updated after
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15:57<jkc>fake_sney: That's a setting, not a command. Once enabled, it'll just do it regularly.
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16:07<somiaj>note by default systemd-timesyncd should be keeping your time in sync with the internet.
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16:56<micha>Hi, I want to start a gui program (Bitwig) only after some performance optimization of the system (disable SMT, minimum CPU clock 1800). I have a nice bash script that uses sudo to do that. Now I want to call the bash script from a GNOME .desktop file, but I can't see a way to enter my password.
16:56<micha>Is there a "proper" way to do this?
16:56<enyc>micha: hrrm various approaches...
16:57<enyc>micha: there are graphical-sudo gksudo and stuff
16:57<enyc>micha: its' also possible to set up sudo permisisons so your user can call particular commands with NOPASSWD etc....
16:57<enyc>micha: [not a good idea to make all sudo [something] no-password.
16:57<somiaj>I think gksudo is basically gone, you can either setup sudoers to allow you to run this without a password, or you can use polkit
16:58<micha>somiaj, right I think gksu is only in stretch
16:58<somiaj>you can also set a uid bit on the exectuable, there are various methods, though polkit is the more common gui way these days
16:59<micha>ok, thanks!
17:00<kveroneau>That's why I love Plasma still. In Plasma, you can create .desktop files and easily enable "Run as different" user requirement with ease.
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17:01<kveroneau>With PolicyKit, you can try using `pkexec`
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17:03<kveroneau>eg. `x-terminal-emulator -e pkexec nano` will run `nano` in your default terminal as root.
17:03<kveroneau>pkexec does not appear to pass the X Display around though.
17:04<kveroneau>But it might work with Wayland.
17:04<tertu>so somehow under plasma
17:04<tertu>a bunch of kinds of files now have defaulted to opening in okteta.
17:04<tertu>which, i love okteta, it's great. i do not typically want to open an mp3 in okteta.
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17:07<ABEL>hola
17:07<kveroneau>tertu, seems like your MIME database got messed up. If you create a new temp user, and log in with that, do MP3 files open with the correct program then?
17:08<micha>kveroneau: yup, pkexec works... thanks!
17:08<kveroneau>If so, then your local MIME database to your user got corrupted or something. You can either manually fix it all, or just remove it from your ~/.local/share/mime/ directory.
17:09<kveroneau>Then run `update-mime-database`
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17:09<kveroneau>micha, glad that worked out for you.
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17:09<micha>is there a way to authenticate only once with pkexec? So I set cpufreq as root, call bitwig as myself, unset cpufreq as root?
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17:11<kveroneau>micha, I'm sure it's possible, but I am sure it will also be tricky. Hmm, I wonder if rtkit might be more useful for this.
17:11<coc0nut>I dont actually like that the debian.org page is translated.. :p makes it confusing. english is the language for computers. imo
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17:13<kveroneau>micha, there appears to be a GNOME applet for cpufreq, you might just need to add yourself to a specific group to make it work under your user.
17:14<micha>ok, thanks!
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17:15<tertu>i am on unstable so maybe i should go into next about this
17:15<tertu>tbh
17:16<kveroneau>tertu, it could be a bug in unstable.
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17:47<The-Fly>dumb question of the day - Is there a way to setup sources.list in /etc/apt so that it pulls the same version of a package that was released at a given point, and not necessarily the latest ? I need to setup a VM that only uses packages that were current when 11.1 was released, and not anything further (such as security updates, bug fixes, etc)
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17:50<somiaj>well if you want 11.1 you can just not include security repos, but once 11.2 comes out you can no longer only get 11.1 packages
17:50<somiaj>though this seems like a very odd (and unsupported use case)
17:51<somiaj>there is also snapshot for older packages, but in this case if you want the current point release but no security updates, don't include security sources or stable-updates
17:51<The-Fly>agreed that its odd. I'm doing some bug hunting
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17:51<ckosloff>after 2-3 days of tinkering with the bulleye installer, unsuccessfully, I decided to use old stable, it installed, I had my computer back, but my joy was short-lived, because I had freezes, causing me to shut down from power to restart, firefox was failing bady. so I decided to upgrade to bulleye by tweaking my sources.list, the proces got a seg fault, and after reboot I could no longer boot into my user, it was going on a loop,
17:51<ckosloff> at this point I think that some hardware is going bad, I tried replacing memory, installed new sticks, so the only thing left is to replace hard drive,. Any suggestion before I take the brute force approach of wiping hard drive again?
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17:51<somiaj>you can also get old versions of packages from snapshot for that, and downgrade just the ones you want.
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19:30<joeDoe>how come "dpkg -l "*" | grep weechat" doesn't output weechat-matrix, but I can find it in aptitude?
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19:33<joeDoe>I thought the "*" made it list everything
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19:34<sarnold>dpkg -l only prints packages that dpkg knows about -- if you've never installed weechat-matrix, then dpkg doesn't know about it -- compare dpkg -l | wc -l vs apt-cache search a | wc -l
19:34<dpkg>No packages found matching only prints packages that dpkg knows about -- if you've never installed weechat-matrix, then dpkg doesn't know about it -- compare dpkg -l | wc -l vs apt-cache search a | wc -l
19:35<sarnold>dpkgplz
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19:36<themill>dpkg, cookie?
19:36<dpkg>themill: are you smoking crack?
19:36<themill>rude bot
19:38<joeDoe>haha, maybe the bot couldn't find the package because of the spaces in the name :P
19:38<joeDoe>anyway, thanks
19:39<joeDoe>I've never used apt-cache before :)
19:41<joeDoe>dpkg -l | wc -l gives 1024 lines whereas dpkg -l "*" | wc -l gives 2424 lines. What are those extra 1,400 packages?
19:41<dpkg>No packages found matching | wc -l gives 1024 lines whereas dpkg -l "*" | wc -l gives 2424 lines. What are those extra 1,400 packages
19:41<joeDoe>oops
19:42<joeDoe>and oh yeah, 56,214 for apt-cache search !!
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20:05<Sqrt{not}>ckosloff, if you think the disk is possibly bad, you should run smartctl to see if there are already reported problems with it.
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20:29<ckosloff>Sqrt{not}: so I am reinstalling without desktop environmentbecause I don't want the installer to cause failures b installing all the gnome shite, whih is difficult to take out, completely, so I am botting into terminal, as root apt install smartmontools?
20:31<dvs>good plan
20:33<ckosloff>already installed
20:33<ckosloff>now got some work to do
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21:35<richard_h>systemd[106869]: gpgconf: error running '/usr/lib/gnupg/scdaemon': probably not installed
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21:36<richard_h>I'm not sure what precisely is logging that, but should it? I don't have any smartcard stuff installed; that's not an error ...
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21:55<abrotman>richard_h: are you just trying to clear the error?
21:55<abrotman>does that number match a PID on your system?
21:56<richard_h>not a current pid; it happens at login time
21:56<sarnold>it does seem silly to log it as an error when it's entirely normal
21:57<richard_h>yes, more or less - I'm cleaning up my logcheck output
21:57<richard_h>most of it I filter, but some looks inappropriate to log in the first place
21:57<sarnold>if you were trying to debug a problem around gpgconf / scdaemon you might be thrilled to have it, but I have to imagine almost no one cares about scdaemon
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22:57<ckosloff>Sqrt{not}: ran long test with smartctl and it did not report errors, however errors exist, stop errors when it goes in a loop until it times out, I would have never imagined that upgrading to bullseye would crash the sytem, will comment further tomorrow.
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22:58<ckosloff>Sqrt{not}: and memtest86 only runs in Windose
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23:17<mason>Is there something akin to "aptitude -v why" that can tell me why if I want to delete one package, another specific package needs to be uninstalled?
23:17<mason>I'm not seeing the direct line between the two.
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23:19<mason>I'd love for apt to explain inclusions of the sort.
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23:26<mason>And that tool is apt-rdepends, although it's necessary to follow the chain by hand.
23:27<mason>(The original question was "Why in the world does purging libelogind0 want to delete init?" The answer ended up being, "because util-linux depends on libsystemd0.")
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