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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-11-16

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02:51<kmf58>hi all has your guys are going?
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02:57<GiuseppeBadaBopi>Good here, how about you?
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02:59<hudo>If multiple key pairs are created in ~/.ssh with different protocols, maybe ECDSA and RSA, and both protocols are okay/accepted for the remote and the local side, which of the protocols will then be used ?
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03:01<hudo>And another question, in ~/.ssh existed a RSA key pair and a ECDSA key pair. I used ssh-copy-id to transfer to the remote server, and was surprised, that only the RSA pub key was transferred. After moving the RSA key pairs away from the directory, I used again ssh-copy-id, now the ECDSA pubkey was transferred.
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03:02<hudo>What are the rules for ssh-copy-id ? Why was only one pubkey transferred and why was this protocol choosen ?
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03:06<GiuseppeBadaBopi>"""
03:06<GiuseppeBadaBopi>If the -i option is given then the identity file (defaults to ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub) is used
03:06<GiuseppeBadaBopi>From the man page
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03:09<hudo>@Giuseppe, do you refer to the ssh-copy-id command ? BTW I did not use the -i option
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03:13<GiuseppeBadaBopi>yeh hudo, i am no expert on it, but it seems that the pubkey in .ssh is default unless you specify
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03:15<hudo>@Guiseppe both pub keys were initially in .ssh , I wonder why ONLY ONE pubkey was transferred , and WHY this one pubkey was chosen ( if -i option was specified )
03:17<hudo>@Guiseppe, okay in the man it says, the identity file defaults to ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
03:18<GiuseppeBadaBopi>yes
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03:18<hudo>so maybe I have to repeat my test with e.g id_ecdsa and id_ed25519 ( no id_rsa )
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03:22<GiuseppeBadaBopi>i guess you can specify which id/key you want to use, not sure if you can copy multiple at the same time though, i'm don't know enough about ssh
03:23<hudo>If now multiple protocols are defined between local and remote machine, and a login with ssh 'remote_user@remote_machine' is executed, how can I check which protocol is used and why THIS protocol ?
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03:26<Anarka>ssh user@host -v
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04:02<d4rkpr13st>hey
04:02<d4rkpr13st>anyone around to help
04:03<tarzeau>!help
04:03<d4rkpr13st>okay
04:03<d4rkpr13st>!help
04:04<hudo>Anarka , thanks
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04:07<d4rkpr13st>no help for anyone here ..
04:07<grove>!ask
04:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
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04:11<grove>The "help" command to the bot (at least in om) makes it say what commands it knows, what d4rkpr13st needs is to just ask his question
04:11<grove>!next
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04:11<grove>s/ om/ pm/
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05:24<jonasb>What channel should I use to ask installation questions? Installer behaviour specifically
05:25<petn-randall>jonasb: This channel is fine.
05:29<jonasb>Ok, I'm using the firmware-netinst.iso and am trying to do a preseed install on a laptop, but I only end up with an error about the passphrase for my WiFi being too long or faulty - even before it asks me about it...
05:32<petn-randall>jonasb: Are you planning on doing a lot of automated installations? Otherwise I'd just use the regular installation method, where I'm sure that it works.
05:32<petn-randall>jonasb: preseed is always a bit hacky, I feel.
05:35<jonasb>I'm trying to test out an easy way to reinstall some 50 workstations and laptops that are running Fedora today - and thought that it would be nice to have some automation
05:35<jonasb>I have the preseed working fine in a couple of VM's, but now when I tried it on physical HW it fails before starting on this stupid error
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05:42<jonasb>Even if I connect a network cable to it it fails with the passphrase error: "Invalid passphrase" 'The WPA/WPA2 PSK passphrase was either too long (more than 64 characters) or too short (less than 8 characters).' - But it never asks for a passphrase before it ends up here...
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05:45<petn-randall>jonasb: I don't quite understand where in the step this error shows up. Maybe you're supposed to provide theh passphrase via preseed?
05:46<jonasb>It happens long before I'm to provide the preseed cofig, so I doubt it's related to my config. I think it's a bug in the initrd that's booted when using this iso and choosing 'Advanced Install -> Automated install'
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05:50<jm_>try checking d-i messages on tty3/4 for clues
05:50<jonasb>This is what it looks like: https://bygden.nu/tmp/IMG_6212.jpeg
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05:56<grove>It's been quite a number of years since I played with preseeding, and it was only on virtual machines. But you should probably say something more specific about what you have done and when this error shows up ("long before I'm to provide the preseed cofig[sic]" is not very specific)
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05:58<jonasb>tty4 says: http://paste.debian.net/1219708
06:00<jonasb>Yeah, well - if you use the 'Advanced Install -> Automated Install' option it scans the USB-drive, installs the initrd, configures the network and then asks for the preseed config-file. I admit that it's not that "long before" but still _before_ I get any questions about the preseed, or any questions at all...
06:02<jonasb>It happens during the boot of the install-initrd
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06:04<Yonle>well, i'm planning to switc back from devuan to debian
06:04<Yonle>so is it ok?
06:05<jonasb>"Is it ok?" what does that mean?
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06:08<Yonle>well, i mean is it ok to switch from devuan to regular debian?
06:08<jonasb>Why wouldn't it be?
06:08<Yonle>hm
06:08<Yonle>i see
06:09<Yonle>By the way i'm gonna compress Debian xfce iso on my cloud with xz so i can download it (due to bad network)
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06:09<jonasb>So, @petn-randall & @grove a video showing how I get to where it fails: https://youtu.be/OP7_P-1tuy4
06:09<Yonle>but i think both devuan and debian is same, just devuan does not has systemd
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06:10<Yonle>Guess, i'ma stay here and ask some relevant question
06:10<jonasb>And, no - it doesn't matter if I use the Graphical installer or the curses installer - I end up with the exact same error anyway
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06:18<troethe>I've got my interfaces configured via /etc/network/interfaces. How do I make it run DHCP again, if I re-plug the network cable to another network?
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06:19<jm_>perhaps tools like ifplugd can help
06:20<petn-randall>jonasb: IIRC you need to provide it in preseed, too. Otherwise the passphrase will be "", which is too short. :)
06:20<petn-randall>troethe: `ifdown <iface>`, followed by `ifup <iface>`.
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06:21<troethe>petn-randall: I was looking for an automatic solution
06:21<troethe>jm_: Thanks! This looks like just what I need!
06:23<sussudio>troethe: unplugging and putting back the cable should do it?
06:23<troethe>sussudio: It doesn't. I think this only works when using NetworkManager
06:24<sussudio>troethe: it will detect an unplugged cable.
06:24<sussudio>i read a bunch of scorpions went all biblical in egypt.. maybe they'll visit marwan.
06:25<troethe>sussudio: I don't know what to tell you.. I replugged the cable and it kept its old address.. Only after doing dhclient <if> or ifud/ifdown did it work.
06:25<petn-randall>troethe: If you need interactive events, I'd rather use network-manager. ifupdown is not really designed for this.
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06:40<troethe>petn-randall: ifplugd as suggested by jm_ works pretty well. Can recommend!
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06:43<judd>78.15.0esr-1~deb11u1; experimental: 91.1.0esr-1; sid: 91.3.0esr-1
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06:52<jonasb>So, @petn-randall @grove - any further thoughts on my mysterious passphrase problem?
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06:56<at0m>jonasb: on irc, no need to @mention :)
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07:23<hgabor84>hi
07:25<hgabor84>Can anyone help me with this problem: "inactive servers: winbindd"?
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07:29<jonasb>So, the "Invalid passphrase" problem does NOT happen with 'buster' as it does with 'bullseye'...
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07:33<jonasb>Would the problem with the problem with WiFi password before starting the installer be a bug agaist 'debian-installer' or against something else?
07:34<sussudio>jonasb: you probably made a typo.
07:35<jonasb>No, it fails _before_ asking me for a passphrase
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07:35<jonasb>Look at this: https://youtu.be/OP7_P-1tuy4
07:35<sussudio>no.
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07:36<jonasb>sussudio: what do you mean "no"?
07:36<sussudio>i'm not going to look at your youtube video.
07:37<sussudio>look at your logs. there's probably missing firmware or something.
07:38<jonasb>It's 60 seconds of me trying to install bullseye using preseed and proof of it failing before giving me any chance to interact. I'm installing buster right now - it works fine. I want to report a bug agaist bullseye, and am wondering what package to report it against
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07:40<jonasb>And - it fails with "Invalid Passphrase" even though I'm connected with a network CABLE...
07:41<sussudio>logs will tell
07:41<jonasb>http://paste.debian.net/1219708
07:41<jonasb>That's what the logs tell
07:42<sussudio>"netcfg: INFO: Could not find valid BOOTIF= entry in /proc/cmdline" sounds like you messed something up with the preseed
07:42<petn-randall>hgabor84: You need to provide a lot more context for people to answer to that.
07:42<jonasb>And, as previously stated, it works fine with Debian 10 "buster"
07:42<petn-randall>!context
07:42<dpkg>Try to give enough context! For example, let us know which command/program you are running, what you expected, and what you got instead. Try to be as specific as possible. If your command produced output, share the complete command (with all parameters!) and its output on https://paste.debian.net.
07:43<jonasb>I haven't provided the preseed config when it fails, that happens AFTER the netcfg...
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07:46<sussudio>someone should probably either fix 18 year old bugs from bugs.debian.org or remove them to make it less cluttery.
07:49<hgabor84>I need to use Gadmin-samba - this is the version available for debian 10 what I'd like to activate now in freshly installed debian 11 system.
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07:50<hgabor84>Its status Activated but it also sends this message: "inactive servers: winbindd". I've already installed all the samba and winbindd packages of course.
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08:41<Guest6031>hello is anyone there
08:42<sussudio>no.
08:42<Guest6031>haha
08:42<Guest6031>funny
08:42<Guest6031>im not able to install rt3290 bluetooth driver plaeeese help
08:43<Guest6031>on deepin 20.2.4
08:43<sussudio>what is a "deeping 20.2.4"
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08:44<themill>!deepin
08:44<dpkg>deepin is a Chinese distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported on #debian. Try their forums at https://www.deepin.org/en/
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09:48<dreamer>so, somehow dbus claims `org.freedesktop.portal.Desktop` doesn't have an owner (as I understand it), so a program trying to open a filebrowser fails with https://bpa.st/Y5XA
09:48<dreamer>any ideas? this worked fine a couple days ago
09:49<sussudio>!any ideas
09:49<dpkg>Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of string, a little sauerkraut, and 42 starving platypuses. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours!
09:49*knghtbrd hands dpkg some string
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09:50*knghtbrd doesn't have any brilliant thoughts about the dbus thing though
09:52<knghtbrd>my experience is that dbus has effectively rendered the Linux desktop about as fragile as Windows everr was. If you haven't rebooted recently, give that a shot, it'll probably work 😕
09:53<knghtbrd>(if you upgraded something, that's especially likely.)
09:53<petn-randall>TBH I've not had a single dbus issue in the last 10 years. So not sure if that's comparable.
09:53<knghtbrd>petn-randall: I have, but they're almost always solved by a quick reboot.
09:53<knghtbrd>and caused by installing upgrades
09:54<sussudio>i got rid of dbus.
09:54<knghtbrd>I don't understand it … I've just seen it, and seen that restarting fixes it. (Logout/login doesn't always because something seems to stay running after you logout nowadays…)
09:55<knghtbrd>THAT seems weird to me.
09:55<knghtbrd>You start a session by logging in to DE of choice. Then you logout. Session keeps running, wut?
10:00<GiuseppeBadaBopi>Can't remember that i have had any dbus errors either for many years, the only issues i really ever had is with GNOME shell, could be because of dbus though, but only ever saw issues on GNOME
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10:12<umlaeute>how would i check if a package is available in the repositories?
10:13<umlaeute>'apt-cache show foobar'?
10:13<umlaeute>i only want to check the availability (in a script) without actually installing it
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10:21<petn-randall>umlaeute: yes, that would work.
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10:25<enigma9o7[m]>apt priority would work too to see whts available
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10:58<grove>`rmadison` is also an option
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11:03<umlaeute>enigma9o7[m]: i'd like to use that in a script. 'apt' has big fat warnings that it doesn't have a stable API and should not be used in scripts...
11:03<scorpion2185[m]>I tried revolt on another computer high CPU bug
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11:03<umlaeute>grove: rmadison is not installed by default (i know that i didn't spell that out)
11:04<imMute>umlaeute: that's the "apt" command, not "apt-cache" or "apt-get"
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11:05<umlaeute>imMute: i took 'apt priority' as using the "apt" command, not "apt-cache" or "apt-get"
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11:07<umlaeute>but in reality the correct command is probably 'apt-cache policy' (and 'apt priority' is just a typo)
11:07<imMute>umlaeute: ah, right. I missed that one.
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11:28<dreamer>54
11:28<dreamer>woeps
11:29<dreamer>knghtbrd: I did reboot yesterday. after that this issue ..
11:29<dreamer>I don't want to reboot :(
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11:58<gnychis>I'm really struggling to get my microphone hfp/hsp profile to work on Debian 11. I've followed so many threads. I have PulseAudio and the hfp profile shows up but I get an error that it can't switch to it. Some threads said install pipewire and I did but then the profile itself stops showing up. So then I switched back to Pulseaudio and have been trying all of the threads that suggest using ofono but
11:58<gnychis>ofono-phonesim doesn't seem to be supported in Debian 11 because of some Qt requirement. So I'm feeling stuck, and wold greatly appreciate any help/guidance
11:58*enyc meows
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12:29<sussudio>!fix enyc
12:29*dpkg takes enyc to the vet for a "special" visit.
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12:48<scorpion2185[m]>can I updated system time wioth a command?
12:48<scorpion2185[m]>*with
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12:49<sussudio>date
12:49<sussudio>or ntpdate pool.ntp.org
12:49<scorpion2185[m]>I looked the man page, is that possible?
12:50<scorpion2185[m]>I mean with interent time
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12:51<sussudio>what else would you use ntpdate for
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12:53<scorpion2185[m]>is possiblw with some command installed by default?
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12:53<sussudio>like i said, date.
12:55<scorpion2185[m]>how? I also looked a date article but I didn't find that
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12:55<sussudio>it literally says to on the manpage.
12:55<sussudio>date - print or set the system date and time
12:55<scorpion2185[m]>how can I set from internet ?
12:56<sussudio>...
12:57<scorpion2185[m]>client for setting system time from NTP servers (deprecated)
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12:58<scorpion2185[m]>so if it literally says to on the manpage , how do you set the time automatically from internet?
12:59<sussudio>i'm done. if you don't get it by now, just google.
13:00<enigma9o7[m]>I once looked for a commadn to update time from internet and couldnt find it.
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13:00<enigma9o7[m]>ntp works automatically if your clock is already close enough, otherwise, i dont think you can force it
13:01<scorpion2185[m]>yeah I am looking something to force the update immediately
13:01<imMute>ntp will adjust the clock if it's too far off, and ntpdate is the command for "update immediately with time from the internet"
13:01<dreamer>knghtbrd: after reboot same issue. this is f-ed
13:01<scorpion2185[m]>imMute: ok thanks but what's the one of date?
13:01<enigma9o7[m]>yep understood, i looked for something liket hat myself once and couldnt figure it out, its not gunna be obvious in google search like someone implied
13:01<knghtbrd>😞
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13:03<imMute>scorpion2185[m]: what?
13:03<knghtbrd>Sorry, I don't have any ideas … dbus is not something I really understand how to debugg
13:03<scorpion2185[m]>date is installed automatically, that's the reason.
13:03<scorpion2185[m]>Why ntpdate is deprecated? security? htpdate seems an alternative
13:04<imMute>I've not heard that ntpdate is deprecated...
13:05<imMute>htpdate sounds like a bad implementation though.
13:05<petn-randall>scorpion2185[m]: LITERALLY next to the deprecation warning are alternatives listed.
13:05<petn-randall>scorpion2185[m]: I recommend installing ntpd and using that, assuming this is a physical server.
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13:06<ad900>hello
13:06<ad900>can someone help me with something
13:06<sussudio>no
13:06<ad900>pepe sad
13:06<dreamer>pepe gtfo
13:06<dreamer>so, seems dbus-monitor gives a tiny bit more info now, but honestly no clue how to interpret this: https://bpa.st/USUA
13:07<ad900>how do i gain rootpriveledge
13:07<scorpion2185[m]>imMute: You see deprecated in the short description "apt search ntpdate"
13:07<blast007>ad900: if you have a Debian Linux support question, just ask it and we'll see if we can help
13:07<blast007>ad900: did you set a root password when you installed Debian?
13:07<ad900>yes
13:07<ad900>it does not take it when i type sudo -aG add user
13:07<blast007>then you'd use 'su -' in a terminal and type in your root password
13:07<imMute>scorpion2185[m]: ah, I see it now. so use the listed alternative.
13:07<ad900>it asks for the password i type it it doesnt take the password
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13:08<imMute>ad900: when you use sudo it's asking for your user's password, not root's password.
13:08<petn-randall>ad900: sudo asks for the *user* password, `su -` asks for the *root* password.
13:08<blast007>if you set a root password during the install, your non-root user account will *not* be added to the sudo group
13:08<ad900>both root and user password are same
13:08<ad900>for simplicity sakes
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13:08<blast007>then you should have just not set a root password and used sudo
13:09<ad900>use different passwords?
13:09<ad900>ok i'll install again
13:09<imMute>ad900: if you supplied a root password during install then your user is not part of the sudo group and that's why sudo isn't working. use 'su -' to switch to root
13:09<blast007>that isn't the issue here, but that would be good practice yes
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13:09<blast007>the issue here is that you're not in the sudo group so you can't use sudo
13:09<ad900>i've installed it 4 times now it doesnt take long like it
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13:10<imMute>ad900: you don't need to reinstall...
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13:10<enigma9o7[m]>on the screen where you set the root password, if you read the small print, at the bottom it says something about if you dont set a root password, then whatever user you create will have sudo rights.
13:10<ad900>damn i already deleted the partition
13:10<scorpion2185[m]>Where are listed alternatives? I used apt search
13:10<ad900>itll just take 1 min
13:10<scorpion2185[m]>I can see htpdate
13:11<imMute>scorpion2185[m]: "ntpdate is deprecated. Please use sntp instead for manual or scripted NTP queries/syncs."
13:11<petn-randall>ad900: I recommend not setting the root password, and exclusively using sudo. Having the same password makes no sense securitywise.
13:11<somiaj>also by default there is systemd-timesyncd which should be keeping your clocks synced.
13:11<petn-randall>scorpion2185[m]: I'm going to assume you're trolling from this point onwards.
13:12<ad900>i'll go step by step ask you guys about it
13:12<blast007>ad900: just leave the root password blank when you install. that's it.
13:12<somiaj>scorpion2185[m]: you should not have to do anything to have time being set from the internet if using default setup in debian with systemd-timesyncd
13:13<scorpion2185[m]>Yes the battery that keeps the track is dead
13:13<ad900>itll allow me to leave it blank?
13:13<scorpion2185[m]>so forcing update will fix it immediately
13:13<blast007>ad900: yes...
13:14<blast007>ad900: read the information on the screen where you set the root password
13:14<ad900>yeah it did
13:14<ad900>had to set user password couldnt leave it blank
13:15<blast007>well right
13:15<blast007>we didn't say to leave that one blank :)
13:15<blast007>user != root
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13:15<ad900>is there support for rtx graphics card on linux?
13:15<ad900>i mean in debian
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13:16<scorpion2185[m]>somiaj: can I use systemd-timesyncd to force update?
13:16<somiaj>afiak it should just be running as a service and automatically keeping things in sync, what does 'systemctl status systemd-timesyncd' say?
13:17<blast007>ad900: assuming you're on Debian 11: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_11_.22Bullseye.22 (this driver lists support for the RTX 2000 series, but not 3000 series)
13:17<scorpion2185[m]>it is running but takes a lot of time to update the clock sometimes
13:17<blast007>wait, no, it does list the 3000 series too
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13:18<ad900>There seems to be 4 variants of my gpu let me find out my pci id
13:19<blast007>https://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/460.91.03/README/supportedchips.html
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13:20<somiaj>scorpion2185[m]: you can check the docs, man timesyncd.conf, seems you can set how often it polls the servers.
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13:21<ad900>okay found my pci id on the list there's no clcikable buttons?
13:21<scorpion2185[m]>I guess I could restart the service to update time right?
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13:21<ad900>wil sudo apt egt update install eveyrhting it needs itslef?
13:22<blast007>ad900: you'd follow the instructions in the wiki link
13:22<blast007>apt update does not install updates. it downloads the package lists.
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13:22<ad900>ok got to the real confusing part
13:23<ad900>the package one with xfce gnome etc
13:23<ad900>kde etc
13:23<blast007>pick whatever desktop environment you want. the default is Gnome.
13:23<ad900>yes leave it as it it?
13:23<blast007>up to you to decide
13:23<enigma9o7[m]>heh
13:23<enigma9o7[m]>you'll get many opinions on that
13:23<ad900>yes
13:24<enigma9o7[m]>thats why its a choice....
13:24<enigma9o7[m]>is it new modern powerful pc?
13:24<enigma9o7[m]>or old slow machine you're trying to recycle?
13:24<ad900>so im leaving it at debian desktop envoiment gnome and standard
13:24<blast007>given it had an RTX graphics card, I'd say it's powerful enough :)
13:24<enigma9o7[m]>ok yeah
13:25<ad900>new lappy im tired of playing games and windows in general kinda always liked linux never had the time to go through it
13:25<enigma9o7[m]>one reason to not use gnome is it takes more resourceds so not good for old or slow pc, but yeah not an issue there. so back to personal preference, which you wont know til you try.
13:26<ad900>so im running this right now on hyper v to check it out will switch as main when i install it stable first time
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13:27<blast007>oh, if you're doing it through Hyper-V then don't worry about the GPU, since that won't show up in the VM
13:30<ad900>Man i was scrounging through discord linux groups for help for a week
13:30<ad900>most of them are dead except fedora
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13:37<kveroneau>ad900, IRC is still the best place for any live free technical support imo
13:38<sarnold>probably better than most paid offerings, too
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13:42<knghtbrd>the problem with irc is that there seem to be markedly fewer people to provide that support nowadays, and the need for idling is a lot higher
13:43*knghtbrd is a little torn on whether to recommend flatpak for steam or not
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13:44<knghtbrd>Haven't done my homework to make e.g. proton via flatpak available to anything outside of steam … that's definitely a desirable thing
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14:01<scorpion2185[m]>can I see example of xautolock corners somewhere?
14:02<scorpion2185[m]>is this the file for corner actions` Resources can be specified in your ~/.Xresources or ~/.Xdefaults`?
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14:21<inez>can i ask about sysvinit here or is that my own issue.
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14:21<sarnold>you can ask, but far fewer people are using it these days
14:22<inez>okay
14:22<inez>i just switched to it and nothing works, not even the power button on my pc.
14:22<inez>i should probably just go back to systemd?
14:23<sarnold>hmm. I *think* acpid handled power button, but I'm not 100% sure on that..
14:23<sney>debian is tested more with systemd than any other init system, so that's what's most likely to work out of the box without tinkering
14:24<inez>okay
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14:24<sney>yeah, something acpi, /etc/acpi/scripts? powerbutton.sh? /me buffering memories from 8+ years ago
14:26<inez>yeah i don't know how to do anything without being able to use the decktop enviroment, like idk how to get into command line without running it from the de. so idk how to switch back to systemd. i had the really dumb idea of removing power to the system and now trying to start up agian it got stuck after entering the password to my encrypted lvm thing. i guess i can reinstall, idk.
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14:27<enigma9o7[m]>alt+alt+f2
14:27<enigma9o7[m]>err ctrl+alt+F2
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14:28<inez>enigma is that to open command line?
14:29<enigma9o7[m]>That will switch you to the second tty. So yes, a way to login without desktop.
14:29<enigma9o7[m]>clt+alt+f7 to get back to desktop if you have it running
14:31<inez>when it asks for localhost login what does it want? like the name of the localhost?
14:31<sney>your username, then press enter, then your password
14:31<sney>(or root if you have a root password set)
14:31<inez>what username, the user account name?
14:32<enigma9o7[m]>the same one you login to desktop with, your username and password
14:32<inez>not working
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14:32<inez>i tried my root and my normal user acxount
14:32<inez>neither work
14:33<inez>ig i can reinstall debian i have all.my files archived idrc
14:33<enigma9o7[m]>try again and this time type the right letters
14:33<inez>lol
14:33<sney>yes, if you are lost trying to log in, you should probably reinstall
14:34<inez>ok
14:34<inez>i got ir
14:34<inez>root worked i must have typoed the first time
14:35<inez>is it just apt get systemd?
14:35<inez>or should i try to do something to fix sysvinit?
14:35<inez>or is this some issue wirh kde?
14:37<inez>apt install systemd isnt working as cant connect to deb.debian.org
14:37<inez>rip
14:37<sney>these instructions are probably still accurate, https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Installing_and_Testing
14:37<inez>oh ethernet not fully pluhged in
14:37<sussudio>!fix inez
14:37*dpkg takes inez to the vet for a "special" visit.
14:37<inez>i dont understams
14:38<sussudio>inez are you one of scorpion2185[m]'s other identities
14:38<inez>no?
14:39<sussudio>would you know if you were
14:39<inez>idk
14:39<inez>rhats kinda meta
14:39<inez>im just going to reinstall debian
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15:49<scorpion2185[m]>bug deepin-music bug surf bug revolt
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16:18<jby>!devuan
16:18<dpkg>Devuan (https://devuan.org/) is a Debian <derivative>, meant to avoid dependencies on <systemd>. Not supported in #debian, please see #devuan on irc.libera.chat for support.
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16:29<inez>soo it says user isnt a sudoer but when i try to add it it says user already in sudo group??
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16:29<inez>what does that mean?
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16:30<sarnold>check the output of 'id' in that shell, my guess is you haven't logged in again after adding the user to the group
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16:35<inez>the out put is uid=1000(user) gid=1000(user) groups=1000(user),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip,44(video),46(plugdev),109(netdev),115(bluetooth),112(lpadmin),125(scanner)
16:35<inez>sudo isnt in my groups
16:35<inez>very weird
16:35<inez>ig i can edit the file if the commans isnt working?
16:35<somiaj>so logout and back in
16:35<inez>or do i need to restart?
16:36<somiaj>groups are only set at the moment you login
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16:37<inez>ohok
16:37<inez>sorry
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16:39<hudo>in bullseye i have a problem with copy/paste using tigervncserver I think 1.11 , in buster copy/paste worked
16:40<hudo>there was somewhere an archive of all irc debian-related channels since 1995 , has someone the link, please ?
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16:41<Sqrt{not}>hudo, look at the channel message you saw when you joined this channel
16:42<somiaj>!cross-post
16:42<dpkg>Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
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16:42<somiaj>hudo: anyways, might just need to try to debug what is happening with your clipboard. You can check changelogs and various things, but it just might be some user setup if your vnc isn't allowing copy/paste to the local clipboard
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16:46<inez>sorry idk why new messages here werent showing
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17:47<inez>is there a way to start kde in the command line?
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18:03<inez>https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3071 is this out of date?
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18:07<somiaj>inez: if you use startx you will have to put the kde startup command in ~/.xsession, and it should work just fine
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18:08<somiaj>note, I would use ~/.xsession over ~/.xinitrc on debian
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18:08<somiaj>and that should work otherwise, also just be aware that this session maybe slightly different than one you log into from a DM, but that is just because of how various shell scripts are sourced during the startup process
18:11<inez>how do i use the xsession thing
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18:23<ckosloff>Sqrt{not}: Still in the woods, I loaded old stable again but it freezes quite often, upgrading to bullseye completely crashed the system, this is what did: I loaded old stable taking care NOT to to select Debian desktop environment because that would load Gnome, so I booted into a terminal finaly. Fom rhere I installed task=kde=desktop, which got me into a grphic environment, I hurried to back up the whole installation with
18:23<ckosloff>clonexilla , before wrtiting the image I ran memtest86 from same CD and it threw tons of errors, memory sticks are brand new, so it coudl also be the motherboard, in which case I'm really screwed. I still have old memore sticksin case I wnat to try them back
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18:35<inez>i changed the xsessions file
18:35<inez>but it still opena dwm
18:36<inez>do i need to delete the xinitrc or whatever
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19:08<inez>anyone know how to boot into kde from command line?
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19:09<sarnold>I think you can configure lightdm to log in to a specific user without any interaction, yeah
19:10<inez>idk if you are talking to me
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19:14<somiaj>inez: the exact same way as that post, just put all the commands you want to run when your xsession loads in that file, in this case just exec startkde
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19:28<inez>okay im back
19:28<inez>idk if those went through
19:28<inez>but startx is only working with xinitrc
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19:50<somiaj>It works with .xsession, you just don't want both
19:51<inez>idk why it always lags out
19:51<somiaj>the advantage with .xsession is it works with startx and displaymanagers
19:51<inez>im going to ask kde people for advixe
19:54<somiaj>why don't you want to use a display manager?
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19:59<INTL>time wasted
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20:05<Sqrt{not}>ckosloff, that does not sound good if memtest86 finds lots of errors on new memory. Does it also show similar errors on the old memory sticks?
20:05<inez>i have a pretty full 2tb drive
20:05<inez>its not my boot drive
20:06<inez>i assume it doesnt show up when i type df
20:06<inez>do only mounted drives show up?
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20:10<Sqrt{not}>inez, that's right
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20:15<ckosloff>Sqrt{not}: will tell you when I test on old sticks, clonezilla could not do a clean image, backup unusable, there is definitely a hardware issue that I could not isolate yet, thank you.
20:16<ckosloff>inez: it won't show if it's external
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23:12<GrayDolf>How do I change window borders in Compiz?
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23:12<GrayDolf>Compiz/KDE
23:13<GrayDolf>NVM
23:13<GrayDolf>You can do it in Settings
23:13<GrayDolf>:P
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23:22<uos>...
23:22<GrayDolf>yea
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23:41<tizef>hi, i have two files managers... how to make one of them ''favorite'' into my operating system ? ( the CLI way )
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23:43<enigma9o7[m]>at the command line, there is no favorite file manager, its whatever you type will launch. you must be setting it for a desktop.
23:43<enigma9o7[m]>even in a desktop, when does a file manager get launched as a favorite?
23:43<enigma9o7[m]>its not like you can "click" on a file, and your file manager opens
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23:43<enigma9o7[m]>cuz you'e have to be in the file manager already to see that file to click on
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23:44<GrayDolf>Like, KDE has a thing where you can prefer a file manager (like GNOME Nautilus over KDE Dolphin, or Konqueror over Dolphin, et cetera)
23:45<enigma9o7[m]>so you want to set the KDE favorite file manager from command line apperantly. hopefully its stored in a text file, then you may be able to do it with sed or something.
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23:47<GrayDolf>Like, Dolphin accepts CLI args for a specific path, like (~$ Dolphin /foo/bar/)
23:48<enigma9o7[m]>arguments rule
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23:52<tizef><enigma9o7[m]> so you want to set the KDE favorite file manager from command line apperantly. hopefully its stored in a text file, then you may be able to do it with sed or something. >>> yes something like this
23:53<tizef>where can be this text file...
23:53<enigma9o7[m]>yep, so your mission first is figure out where your desktop stores this preference. and if not kde, i'd make sure the preference even exists cuz i cant think of a situation where it would be used.
23:54<enigma9o7[m]>oh wait i thought of it finally
23:54<sarnold>probably xdg-open is the thread to pull on
23:54<enigma9o7[m]>like in browser or other app where you tell it to open containing folder
23:55<GrayDolf>One of the /usr/ subfolders possibly?
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23:57<tizef>I use Xorg and Openbox... I have PCmanFM and Ranger... it automatically open PCmanFM at first(as favorite?) but I want it open Ranger as favorite
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