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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-11-17

---Logopened Wed Nov 17 00:00:07 2021
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00:05<Yonle>!quit
00:05<dpkg>try /quit
00:05<Yonle>misstyped lol.
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00:10<GrayDolf>Lemme guess, you thought it was Discord?
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00:10<GrayDolf>IDEA!
00:11<GrayDolf>tizef, do you use PCManFM that much?
00:11<tizef>yes
00:11<GrayDolf>Gah, I accidentally followed a dead end lead.
00:12<GrayDolf>Sry
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00:17<tizef>sarnold, thanks, all is there : /usr/bin/xdg-open >>> lil complicated to me but ! thanks I will look at this
00:18<enigma9o7[m]>i know that pcmanfm is somehow integrated a little bit with openbox but dunno how exaclty, but i know it controls desktop icons, they work together in lxde, etc
00:19<enigma9o7[m]>like the icons on the desktop will always be pcmanfm, if you remove that, no more icons on desktop, cant do those with another file manager
00:20<enigma9o7[m]>well im ean i dont think so
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02:40<mendel_munkis>does anyone now if it's possible to prefill a buffer in nano with text from a file without opening said file?
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02:50<grawity>Ctrl-R
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05:48<otisolsen70> As I understand, I should be able to install Debian linux on a QNAP TS-409 PRO. Does anyone have experience installing Debian on QNAP devices?
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05:50<jm_>https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/QNAP has some links
05:50<jm_>heck even qnap has some pages for it
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05:52<otisolsen70>jm_, yes, I found that. And it does look fairly straight forward. However, a few things: 1) it the HOWTO says to install Debian 9, then upgrade to debian 10, and so on. I am curious why to start with debian 9. Does that mean that the installer for 10 and 11 wont work? 2) http://www.cyrius.com/debian/orion/ mentions TS-409 on the list of "no longer supported".
05:52<otisolsen70>jm_, link to qnap pages for this?
05:52<otisolsen70>jm_, I did not find these on ddg
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05:55<otisolsen70>It seems on http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/openrd/install/ that only the debian 9 installer works. And then you have to upgrade from there. This seems a bit worrisome
05:56<otisolsen70>If I want to buy a cheap consumer level NAS on which to install Debian, which one should I go for?
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06:31<RezaHoss_>Hello.
06:31<RezaHoss_>I was using gnome feeds in debian 11 well, but from some days ago from reinstalling debian 11 it loads articles very late or never. I wait for much time but the app does not show nothing even articles' titles. What can be the problem?
06:31<g00se>Getting quite confused about the readout from badblocks. Here's what blkid tells me about the first partition, measured in KiB:
06:31<g00se>1 1024kiB 237990912kiB 237989888kiB primary ext4 boot
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06:32<g00se>But badblocks tells me I've four bad ones, consecutive, starting at 154961512
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06:32<petn-randall>g00se: Please past the full output, including the command used.
06:33<g00se>Well when i ran badblocks, I used /dev/sda. badblocks -nv /dev/sda
06:34<g00se>sudo badblocks -sv -n -o /tmp/bb.log /dev/sda
06:34<g00se>If i punch in those block numbers into /dev/sda1, I'm not finding them where I expected to
06:36<g00se>There a possible 'one off error' in that /dev/sda1 doesn't start at zero, but even so…
06:36<g00se>Nothing found with sudo badblocks -vn /dev/sda1 154961515 154961512
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06:40<grove>The only problem I see in installing
06:41<sussudio>g00se: do you have a samsung ssd
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06:43<g00se>This is spinning rust
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06:44<sussudio>ok
06:45<jm_>otisolsen70: sorry was away - https://wiki.qnap.com/wiki/Debian_Installation_On_QNAP - you could also use stuff like freenas/truenas
06:46<sussudio>g00se: how old is that thing
06:47<g00se>Not sure, possibly around 10 years
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06:48<grove>(sorry got a little disturbed there, and that half statement should have been sent - what I meant to write follows)
06:48<sussudio>g00se: copy your data off it, it's way past its useful lifetime...
06:48<grove>The main problem I see in installing Debian 9 and upgradng immediately is that it takes longer than just installing Debian 11
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06:50*g00se was thinking of reusing it. Not worried about what's on it
06:51<sussudio>g00se: run smartctl --test=short, then --test=long. it will probably fail somewhere.
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06:59<otisolsen70>jm_, do you know why I have to use the debian 9 installer? Ie. why debian 10 or 11 installers do not work? Is this an indication that it is no longer supported?
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07:04<jm_>otisolsen70: sorry, no idea - I'd first try a newer one and see how it goes
07:04<g00se>sussudio: I'll give that a go, though i don't have much confidence in SMART
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07:08<hgabor84>hello
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07:09<hgabor84> I need to use the utility named Gadmin-Samba which was very useful for two of our fileserver machines in the past many years with older version of debian. Now I'd like to use this with all of the saved unique settings with importing the proper config files to a newer machine with freshly installed with debian 11. Everything seems good because I could install the latest version of Gadmin-Samba what is available for debian 10 but after launching it
07:09<hgabor84>just always send this message on the top right of the window: "Status: Activated, inactive servers: winbindd". I've already installed all the important samba and winbindd packages, of course.
07:09<hgabor84>please help me!
07:09<hgabor84>thanks you.
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07:11<petn-randall>hgabor84: You're trying to use a package from buster on a bullseye machine. That won't work and is not supported.
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07:12*gothenburg pillar på petn-randall
07:12<gothenburg>afk
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07:12<petn-randall>gothenburg: what?
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07:13<hgabor84>It was usually worked on older debian versions between two neighbour versions.
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07:15<petn-randall>hgabor84: That's pure coincidence, and still not supported.
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07:16<petn-randall>hgabor84: So your options are either to reinstall and stay on buster, which will still be supported for quite a while, or to use a different tool.
07:17<hgabor84>ok, thanks for the information.
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09:21<tzzzf>hi, I have two file managers, how to make one the default one from xdg-open, difficult?
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09:23<tzzzf>I have found that my zoom crash with pcmanfm and thunar but if I remove them and keep only ranger, then no crash...
09:23<tzzzf>so i want to make ranger default file manager from CLI
09:24<petn-randall>tzzzf: none of those should crash, really. But you can configure the default from the settings of your DE.
09:25<tzzzf>oops, I mean zoom.us itself crash... yes you are right, file managers do not crash... hehe
09:25<tzzzf>my debian is a noDE, only Xorg and Openbox
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09:27<mh3f>maybe `xdg-mime default name-of-filemanager.desktop inode/directory`
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09:28<mh3f>change name-of-filemanager.desktop to the name of the actual .desktop file
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09:40<tzzzf>hmm... thanks
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09:47<mh3f>ranger.desktop is the name of ranger desktop file in /usr/share/applications
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09:56<tzzzf>mh3f> maybe `xdg-mime default name-of-filemanager.desktop inode/directory`>>> i don't understand that part >>> inode/directory
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10:00<tzzzf>oops
10:00<tzzzf>mh3f, ok i got it
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10:12<tzzzf>when i do >>> xdg-mime default name-of-filemanager.desktop <<< i miss something right?
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10:15<tzzzf>oh... i see
10:16<tzzzf>this work : xdg-mime default name-of-filemanager.desktop inode/directory
10:16<tzzzf>so i reboot now thx
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10:23<tzzzf><mh3f> maybe `xdg-mime default name-of-filemanager.desktop inode/directory` >>> no need "maybe" !!! it work !!!!! woohooo !!! you made my day \o/
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10:56<scorpion2185[m]>edit ~/.config/mimeapps.list
10:56<scorpion2185[m]>to set defautl file manager : inode/directory=<FM>
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11:41<tzzzf>somiaj, okay i very confirm it's a zoom problem i don't why, captalism source !?
11:42<tzzzf>i have installed previous .deb 5.4 instead of 5.8 and now all okay
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12:32<Sqrt{not}>%qotd0
12:32<dselect><try_catch_this> for the record I dont care what you use, to me I get things done faster with guis.
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13:29<duxsco>hi, i am facing same issue: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=995940
13:29<duxsco>is there a solution?
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13:48<somiaj>duxsco: outside of turning off secure boot?
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13:48<somiaj>ahh seems this even messes with normal boot
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13:49<somiaj>one work around is to do a manual install using debootstrap if you can get a live image to boot, though unsure if you will run across issues making the install bootable due to this bug or not
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13:51<duxsco>somiaj, i have secure boot disabled
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13:51<somiaj>have you tried to see if any of the debian live images boot? Can you get any other distro's installer to boot?
13:51<blast007>if a 10.9 installer was used to install and then the system was updated to the latest packages in 10 or was upgraded to 11, would it fail to boot after the upgrade?
13:52<duxsco>booting from sysresccd, archlinux and win10 iso worked today
13:53<duxsco>i had to install win10 because the freedos bios file provided by fujitsu is broken...
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13:54<somiaj>I would try the live imgaes, you could also try blast007 approach, use an older installer which did work, then just upgrade your system (and hopefully it is just the installer and not debian in general that doesn't boot on this device)
13:54<sney>blast007: not usually, that's a pretty normal workflow
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13:55<blast007>sney: sorry, I was meaning in this specific case where the shim-signed package is erroring out on boot
13:56<blast007>wasn't sure if it was just a problem during the boot of the install media or if it would also happen during a normal boot
13:56<somiaj>the bug does say, 'installing and running', so I'm assuming this means even upgrading would break things, as it is a bug in shim
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13:56<somiaj>isn't there a way to remove shim if not using secure boot, or would you have to build your own kernel (or are there non signed ones?)
13:56<mason>somiaj: It's its own package.
13:57<mason>somiaj: grub-efi-amd64-signed IIRC
13:57<somiaj>so maybe they could use an older installer, then remove shim (or at least the hooks to include it in the initramfs/boot priority) and get it to work?
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13:58<somiaj>https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-in/000149191/ubuntu-error-something-has-gone-seriously-wrong-invalid-parameter-shim-was-unable-to-measure-state-into-the-tpm -- not exactly your machie, but Dell says there is a flag you can turn on in the bios that can fix this
13:58<mason>Or (skill-intensive?) pop in a boot entry that doesn't point to the shim.
13:58<somiaj>duxsco: maybe your firmware has some settings you can toggle to get it to work?
13:59<blast007>I know little about apt pinning, but is that something you could use to keep the shim-signed at the 10.9 version?
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14:01<somiaj>seems to be something with this particular firmware, here are users of opensuse having the same problems, but no actual fix https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/554628-USB-Installer-not-working-get_second_stage()-failed
14:01<duxsco>tpm was already turned on. turned m
14:02<duxsco>turned it off just now and trying again
14:03<duxsco>tpm on/off doesn't make any difference on my fujitsu laptop
14:04<somiaj>You have fully upgraded the firmware from fujitsu for that? Looks like you probably need to do some manual innervetion to just avoid shim, use an older version, of see if apply the commit in the bug report can help, but overall it might just be that hardware just isn't working nicely with shim from my google searches
14:05<duxsco>i upgraded bios 1.14->1.25 today, installed newest ssd firmware and want to do a fresh debian install
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14:12<blast007>if 10.9 installs correctly, you could start with that (doing an offline install so it doesn't upgrade the shim-signed package) and then try to keep it on a working version. https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/10.9.0/amd64/
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14:36<duxsco>in above bug link, it's assumed that this fixes the issue https://github.com/rhboot/shim/commit/ada7ff69bd8a95614aa63dd618764daf428f235d
14:37<duxsco>so, i was looking for installing via pxe. but, i am surprised that files are not signed
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14:46<duxsco>i there an option to copy installation media to ram upon boot?
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15:12<sy_>Cannot get HDMI audio going
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15:13<sy_>no one here eh?
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15:14<kveroneau>sy_, I had a similar issue with my Thinkpad Laptop, the solution I found was to run "alsamixer" and ensure it's not "muted", as for some reason the HDMI audio out can be muted by default for some reason.
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15:14<kveroneau>Guess they didn't wait long enough.
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15:15<XileX>One minute was too long of a wait
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15:18<hdb2>quick bash question: I want to find all empty directories and delete them. I want to use this command: find /my/dir -type d -empty -delete my only concern is that there are spaces in some of the dir names, and the man page doesn't give any warnings in the section on -delete about spaces. anything I need to be concerned about?
15:19<hdb2>my other option would be using something like -print0 | xargs -0 etc...
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15:19<free2>you can also ask in #bash
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15:20<hdb2>free2: yup, that's where I was headed next! :)
15:20<free2>alright :)
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15:22<somiaj>hdb2: note that this is not really bash but find, and since you are applying the -delete command to find the spaces shouldn't matter. It would only be if you were trying to use the file names in some other command that you may need to escape the spaces.
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15:24<hdb2>somiaj: yeah, I would think there would be a warning if it was dangerous.
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15:25<duxsco>hdb2, "find /my/dir -type d -empty -exec rmdir -v {} +". see: https://dpaste.com/9328FY8W7
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15:27<hdb2>duxsco: thank you!
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15:38*duxsco is trying a pxe install
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16:06<duxsco>pxe boot doesn't work either...
16:06<duxsco>i was mislead by the comment in the shim fix: https://github.com/rhboot/shim/commit/ada7ff69bd8a95614aa63dd618764daf428f235d
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16:40*duxsco will install ubuntu due to https://github.com/rhboot/shim/commit/ada7ff69bd8a95614aa63dd618764daf428f235d :/
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16:40<duxsco>i meant due to https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=995940
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16:45<judd>No package named 'kvm' was found in amd64.
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16:46<mason>,v libvirt-daemon-system
16:46<judd>Package: libvirt-daemon-system on amd64 -- stretch: 3.0.0-4+deb9u4; stretch-security: 3.0.0-4+deb9u4; buster: 5.0.0-4+deb10u1; bullseye: 7.0.0-3; bookworm: 7.6.0-1; sid: 7.6.0-1
16:46<mason>and
16:46<mason>,v libvirt-clients
16:46<judd>Package: libvirt-clients on amd64 -- stretch: 3.0.0-4+deb9u4; stretch-security: 3.0.0-4+deb9u4; buster: 5.0.0-4+deb10u1; bullseye: 7.0.0-3; bookworm: 7.6.0-1; sid: 7.6.0-1
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16:46<mason>and I guess a couple others, but anyway
16:49<XileX>I once thought that SecureBoot made booting more secure by using some magic. It was a surprise to see that it just means that the 1st thing loaded at boot is signed by Microsoft
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16:50<sarnold>there's new database signatures floating around that will restrict your boot to kernels that have some notorious kernel flaws fixed; I don't think any of the distros have been publishing them yet for fear of breaking each other's users
16:52<sarnold>(the 'old style' of database updates used a vast amount of limited storage to express this issue, so there's a newer format that'll take less storage space. Some systems were apparently bricked by the old format when too much of the storage space was used.)
16:52<Sqrt{not}>duxsco, is it possible with your machine, orthogonal to secure boot, to force it to old-style BIOS boot? The installer should boot that way, hopefully completely avoiding shim,etc.
16:54<mason>XileX: SecureBoot is also useful if you enroll your own keys.
16:56<duxsco>i am not familiar with secure boot. is it possible to secure efi files that way?
16:57<mason>duxsco: That's what it's for.
16:58<mason>duxsco: Neutral viewpoint: https://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/secureboot.html
16:58<duxsco>hm, i already use encrypted boot partition. having /efi secured is interesting
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16:59<mason>duxsco: Something has to accept your key to unlock. SecureBoot's intent is to make sure you trust what's unlocking the rest.
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17:01<duxsco>i think i am going to use that. but, have to install debian on my mom's laptop first...
17:02<duxsco>s/to use that/to personally use that/
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17:04<duxsco>Sqrt{not}, i enabled "csm", but it's still not working. i couldn't find anything else in the direction of BIOS
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18:03<mason>duxsco: CSM is effectively legacy BIOS and ought not to suffer from the issue at all. Strange.
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18:12<duxsco>mason, yeah. the issue is "solved" for me. i decided to install ubuntu on my mom's laptop. i don't like snappy package management, but it's better than taking the plane: https://youtu.be/JD87BKcQu44
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19:39<kansa>Why does the debian firefox-esr package have multiple unfixed CVEs for a while now?
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19:40<somiaj>Because the security team hasn't deemed any of them grave enough to force an upload, I also think there is a current issue with compiling the new esr in bullseye
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19:42<kansa>Thanks. Can you tell me where I can find such details, for example that there's an issue with the compilation. I only check the security bug tracker
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19:42<somiaj>https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/firefox-esr
19:42<somiaj>yea that is about it, that lets you know they are vulnerable, but really doesn't state to much about them in this case
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19:44<kansa>Ok thanks
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20:13<Doctor_Code>What application does Debian Bullseye use to automatically mount external USB drives? I would like to change the mount point. (or make my Samba share mounted in /media refelect the proper free space)
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20:15<sarnold>Doctor_Code: probably it's udisks2
20:15<sarnold>Doctor_Code: it might also be a udev rule
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20:16<Doctor_Code>It was not plugged in at the time of install, I plugged it in after and it automatically mounted. I will check udisks2, thank you!
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20:20<Doctor_Code>sarnold: That appears to lead me in the right direction - I see an entry in /proc/self/mountinfo relating to my external drive. I shall read some docs. Thank you!
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20:22<sarnold>Doctor_Code: ooh, are you lucky enough for any of the mount options to clearly say where that mount came from?
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20:39<Doctor_Code>sarnold: No. I however, did not see any refference to my external drive in fstab. The docs for udisks said to include output from /proc/self/mountinfo I at least see refference to the external drive there. I probabbly could just manually unmount the drive and mount it to /mnt/myexternaldrive - but there is no fun in that!
20:39<sarnold>Doctor_Code: yeah you might as well try to make things work as you wish :)
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23:08<axolotl>Hello, can you help me? I'm trying to get a working Debian USB with persistence
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23:54<enigma9o7[m]>What did you try doing?
23:54<enigma9o7[m]>Pretty sure installing to usb should work, debian doesnt care what kinda drive as long as it can see it and boot it.
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