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---Logopened Thu Nov 18 00:00:08 2021
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00:01<Mava42>any news on current status of live-build on buster ?
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00:05<enigma9o7[m]>What does that mean, i'm curious?
00:07<Mava42>is it working as expected and documentation in https://live-team.pages.debian.net/live-manual is currant
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00:09<Mava42>haha, seems the documentation is slightly outdated " --net-root-path is an obsolete option"
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00:10<Mava42>... and still using sudo or su will mess up the environmental variables stating debootstrap is missing
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01:17<aloo_shu>hmm they left
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01:36<aloo_shu>I would have thought dd live iso to pendrive, shrink single partition to iso size + a little headroom just in case, make ext4 partition in gained space, set labellive-rw on it, pray and boot?
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03:03<tcez>hello guys
03:03<tcez>how are you today
03:03<tcez>;)
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03:10<theviru>hello
03:10<theviru>I am using deb
03:11<freq>how it feel
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04:04<philipp>Hi, i am using debian on some vms. A few years ago we started creating some packages on our own. Now I have a tricky problem: I want to distribute a config file for another package to all of my VMs - can I do this with a selfmade package - distributing a file that may be marked as config file in other packages? Or shall I use an empty package and rewrite the config file in the postinst hook?
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04:04<philipp>or is there another option?
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04:08<jm_>there are such packages in debian, i.e. exim4-config or krb5-config for example
04:09<philipp>but they do not contain files and try to override the configs of another package....or do they?
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04:13<jm_>they do contain files, and yes, they don't overwrite the package in another file
04:13<jm_>the files in another package*
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04:14<philipp>i need to overwrite files from original debian packages (ocsinventory-agent)
04:15<philipp>another option would be to rebuild that package - but this seems to be much more work cause we do have stable, oldstable and some server on ubuntu (jehova....)
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04:18<jm_>maybe some other config management solution would be a better fit then
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04:19<philipp>mh. I think a package with a postinst-rewrite could be the best option. single fire.
04:20<philipp>I won't install a complete config-management-solution for just one config ;-)
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04:24<philipp>or is using debconf-get-selections / debconf-set-selections an option?
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07:53<Sqrt{not}>Mava42, your path problems might be this?
07:53<Sqrt{not}>%buster su
07:53<dselect>Starting with buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details.
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08:22<satanpol>having difficulty activating my NIC during debian install. i have the non-free but its requesting ucode files that are not downloadable.
08:23<satanpol>i have a working kali install with the same ucode files but I cannot figure out why debian will not use the same ones.
08:25<petn-randall>satanpol: The "same" ones? Are you sharing them between the installations?
08:25<petn-randall>satanpol: Are you using the non-free installer?
08:26<satanpol>yes
08:26<satanpol>no to the first question. i mounted the other distro to see what it used and it uses the same ones i got from the kernel git
08:27<petn-randall>satanpol: AFAIK kali uses testin/unstable snapshots from Debian, so they might be newer.
08:27<petn-randall>*testing
08:27<Sqrt{not}>satanpol, what is the name of the missing microcode files?
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08:29<satanpol>kali operates with iwlwifi-7265D-22.ucode and iwlwifi-7265D-29.ucode which I have both files. but when I get to the point where it asks for the files, the text installer asks for the numbers between 23-28 which I do't have nor can i see wher ei can get the
08:29<satanpol>them*
08:30<satanpol>i have them on the USB stick, which i tried in the root of the stick and in the firmware directory and not picking them up there
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08:32<satanpol>iwlwifi-7265{23-28}.ucode
08:32<satanpol>are the files the installer requests
08:33<satanpol>sorry 7265 is7265D
08:33<Sqrt{not}>satanpol, debian bullseye also has iwlwifi-7265D-22.ucode and iwlwifi-7265D-29.ucode --- which installer are you using, exactly?
08:35<satanpol>sorry using a broken vbox... it's the firmware-11.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso from the nonfree dirs at debian
08:36<satanpol>which yes, i can see that. the graphical installer did not report why it was not accepting the selection of the iwlwifi driver, so i swapped to text
08:37<satanpol>which then lays out that its looking for the other files...which mystifies me because, yes, the firmware is there
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08:38<satanpol>i am installing this on a physical machine, didn't mean to throw any confusion.
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08:41<Sqrt{not}>The files should be part of the non-free image. what are you doing with kernel git? how does that connect to the downloaded installer?
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08:43<Sqrt{not}>satanpol, another possible source of problems might be the writing of the installer to the USB. How did you write the installer to the USB? How did you add your extra firmware to the USB?
08:43<satanpol>okay, when I select the iwlwifi driver from the menu, it pauses, then returns to a screen asking me to provide iwlwifi-7265D-23.ucode to -28.ucode. it's not selecting from what is in the non-free firmware provided in either debian or the kernel
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08:44<satanpol>i used windows with rufus and it's bootable and mountable
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08:44<Sqrt{not}>did you use rufus "DD" mode, or the "ISO" mode?
08:44<satanpol>iso
08:45<blast007>you have to use DD mode
08:45<satanpol>why
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08:45<Sqrt{not}>that's right, ISO mode alters the image
08:45<blast007>because Rufus's ISO mode mangles the Debian installer
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08:45<satanpol>okay
08:45<satanpol>then i go that direct
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08:46<Sqrt{not}>that should help. the firmware nonfree installer should have the correct files already
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08:50<satanpol>that's just weird that ISO mode did that
08:50<satanpol>but it went right to selecting my network
08:51<satanpol>thanks
08:51<satanpol>i didn't expect that it would do that. thanks blast007
08:52<satanpol>and thank you for walking me that for Sqrt{not}
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08:56<jm_>that's why we have:
08:56<jm_>!rufus
08:56<dpkg>rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. Debian CD/DVD images MUST be written in "DD Mode," otherwise it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
08:56<Sqrt{not}>satanist, YW, it's a known trap of rufus. If you haven't seen it, this webpage also helps with the install: https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/installmanual
08:59<vincent->"cruel and unusual ways" ... xD
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09:09<RoyK>hi all. I have dns-search in /etc/network/interfaces, but it doesn't end up in /etc/resolv.conf - any ideas?
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09:14<DusXMT>Makes me wonder if Rufus could be made to show a warning message when it detects a Debian image and the ISO option, something like "Warning: The Debian project strongly suggests not to use ISO mode for their installation media. Do you wish to proceed anyways?"
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09:33<towo`>DusXMT: why specify only debian? all hybrid iso images shouldn't written in iso mode
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09:34<DusXMT>towo`: Which might not be the opinion of the author of said tool
09:34<DusXMT>If it explicitly modifies the installer
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09:47<petn-randall>DusXMT: Well, Debian instead provides a installation guide instead of prodding every tool on the planet to do the right thing™.
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09:48<DusXMT>petn-randall: if the tool is popular enough to the point where we need a bot message for it?
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09:49<petn-randall>I mean sure, but if you're not reading the installation guide in the first place you'll just run into an issue later on.
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10:53<scorpion2185[m]>what happened to nomacs?
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10:54<Ollie_>Is this the right place to get help on installing drivers for Integrated Intel® UHD Graphics 750?
10:55<scorpion2185[m]>yes do you have non-free enabled?
10:55<Ollie_>non-free?
10:55<scorpion2185[m]>in apt sources
10:56<Ollie_>I'm not sure, will have to check
10:56<scorpion2185[m]>apt edit-sources
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11:02<chrisgt>for exmple, this is my first line of sources.list
11:02<chrisgt>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main non-free contrib
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11:03<scorpion2185[m]>yes just add "non-free" and "contrib". firmware are not free (but distribuitable)
11:04<Ollie_>Thanks Scorpion2185, I'm not able to ascertain that right now
11:05<Ollie_>ok, so if i do that and the apt-get update it may get the drivers?
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11:06<chrisgt>you have to apt update to get the package list, then apt install <driver>
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11:08<Ollie_>ok, so how do I know what the driver is, my device is 4c8a
11:09<Ollie_>I thinkit may be the i915 grapics driver, does that sound about right>?
11:09<chrisgt>i915 used to be the driver for intel graphics, not sure if it suppotrs 11th gen or not. i don't have anything that new
11:10<scorpion2185[m]>firmware-linux-nonfree ?
11:10<chrisgt>apt-cache search i915 gives me these two results:
11:10<chrisgt>xserver-xorg-video-intel - X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver
11:10<chrisgt>firmware-misc-nonfree - Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel
11:10<Ollie_>I've been scouring the internet forums for support on this but no joy, I don't even know if one exists yet
11:11<chrisgt>i'm pretty sure the intel driver framework is built into the kernel. you just need the binary driver blobs
11:11<chrisgt>which it appears this firmware-misc-nonfree package is
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11:18<scorpion2185[m]>doesnìt dmesg show missing firmware?
11:18<scorpion2185[m]>*doesn't
11:19<scorpion2185[m]>then apt-file search <firmware>
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11:21<Ollie_>dmesg does state that my graphics device is not properly supported
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11:22<Ollie_>I can post the output but thought I had to does that in https://paste.debian.net/
11:23<Ollie_>I have update my sources.list to include non-free contrib and run apt-get update
11:24<Ollie_>christgt, when I run apt-cache search i915 I get the same result
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11:25<Ollie_>any ideas what is the sanme of the driver, is it xserver-xorg-video-intel?
11:25<Ollie_>if so then now I apparently have the newest version
11:26<enigma9o7[m]>i915 is built in, dont have to install anything extra do ya? thats what one of my old machines uses...
11:26<chrisgt>according to the info on that, you shouldn't use it
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11:26<chrisgt>the output is long, but run apt-cache show xserver-xorg-video-intel
11:27<chrisgt>enigma9o7[m]: it depends on what's supported in the kernel. i'm guessing 11th gen is not supported
11:27<chrisgt>but yes, generally intel cards just work
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11:28<Ollie_>so this is what I get from dmesg Your graphics device 4c8a is not properly supported by the driver in this
11:28<Ollie_>kernel version
11:29<Ollie_>To force driver probe anyway, use i915.force_probe=4c8a
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11:30<chrisgt>you might need to either build a custom kernel or backport one.
11:30<chrisgt>but try that, it can't hurt
11:30<chrisgt>worst case, it breaks your GUI and you revert the change
11:31<Ollie_>my machine is 11th gen
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11:31<chrisgt>yes, i know this becasue when i google that card, it shows as 11th gen ):
11:31<chrisgt>:)
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11:33<chrisgt>yea, my 10th gen laptop uses the i915 driver
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11:35<blast007>Ollie_: had you posted the link to your paste? it doesn't automatically get linked here
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11:39<Ollie_>blast007, I ended up posting the details of the dmesg output in the channel, sorry if that broke the rules, I've never been on an IRC channel before :)
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11:40<Ollie_>chrisgt i'm not that familiar with building a custom kernel and hints?
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11:40<Ollie_>any hints?
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11:41<chrisgt>on idea if it's even required for this. have you tried to force the card?
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11:42<Ollie_>not sure if I understand, theere is no card it is onboard
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11:53<jimpop>sometime back (sarge?) I used a curses based app that showed net traffic, anyone recall what that might have been?
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11:54<jimpop>it had per interface, and generalized views, as well as traffic details and filters.
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12:00<chrisgt>oh shoot, i know EXACTLY what you're talking about
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12:00<chrisgt>iftop?
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12:02<knghtbrd>iftop and mtr ❤️
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12:02<chrisgt>or bmon
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12:05<jimpop>hmmm
12:05<jimpop>not bmon
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12:05<Ollie_>chrisgt, thanks for your help earlier much appreciated, I need to jump now
12:05<jimpop>not iftop either, the one i recall was cures with colors
12:06<dada>debian11 nvidia-smi: no No running processes found???
12:06<dada>debian11 nvidia-smi: no No running processes found???
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12:06<jimpop>ahhh, iptraf-ng
12:06<jimpop>thx chrisgt for the help
12:07<jimpop>knghtbrd too
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12:07<knghtbrd>oh that's also a good idea
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12:10<petn-randall>!next
12:10<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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12:14<enigma9o7[m]>hello hello
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12:14<kveroneau>petn-randall, you were saying? :)
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12:14<petn-randall>dada_: We can read you loud and clear, no need to spam the channel.
12:15<petn-randall>!context
12:15<dpkg>Try to give enough context! For example, let us know which command/program you are running, what you expected, and what you got instead. Try to be as specific as possible. If your command produced output, share the complete command (with all parameters!) and its output on https://paste.debian.net.
12:15<petn-randall>dada_: If you want help from this channel, see above. ^^^
12:16<scorpion2185[m]>can I install nomacs from buster?
12:17<petn-randall>scorpion2185[m]: I don't know, can you?
12:17<kveroneau>./configure && make && make install
12:17<scorpion2185[m]>is it safe? on bullseye
12:17<petn-randall>scorpion2185[m]: no.
12:17<petn-randall>!frankendebian
12:17<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian and <reinstall>
12:17<petn-randall>scorpion2185[m]: I also think we've sent you this factoid a few times now.
12:18<scorpion2185[m]>better build it nfrom source? why no more?
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12:18<dada_>install nvidia dirver later , run nvidia-smi show No running processes found
12:18<scorpion2185[m]>yes but just nomacs could be safe
12:18<petn-randall>scorpion2185[m]: What do you mean with "why no more"? It's never been supported to mix releases.
12:19<scorpion2185[m]>no more nomacs on the tracker I can see removed but why?
12:19<petn-randall>scorpion2185[m]: We're not stopping you, if that's your question. If your system breaks, you get to keep the pieces.
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12:19<petn-randall>!why is nomacs not in testing
12:19<dpkg>nomacs is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/nomacs
12:19<scorpion2185[m]>no is not that the question
12:20<petn-randall>dada_: What processes do you expect?
12:21<dada_>run nviaia-smi later
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12:23<scorpion2185[m]>on the pc upgraded from buster I still have it, i can try flatpka version
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12:41<scorpion2185[m]>!kernel-guide
12:43<petn-randall>scorpion2185[m]: flatpak is the safest option, as there's no risk of breaking your system. Or you can simply use one of the many image viewers already packaged in Debian.
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12:43<scorpion2185[m]>since I can use it on the upgraded pc can I repack it or something?
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12:47<blast007>you're saying you have software built for a different version of Debian still installed? there's the chance that will break
12:47<blast007>I'd consider that an incomplete upgrade
12:48<scorpion2185[m]>I am saying that nomacs is still installed on 11. I discovered today that it was removed
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12:52<blast007>it's not packaged for Debian 11, so either you compile it for Debian 11 or you use the flatpak version
12:52<enigma9o7[m]>or the buster version (with the "chance it will break")
12:53<blast007>no, that shouldn't be dine
12:53<blast007>done*
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12:54<enigma9o7[m]>or the sid version
12:55<blast007>but not in Debian 11
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12:56<sney>and if a package is only in oldstable and sid, there's a good chance that the version in sid is broken
12:57<enigma9o7[m]>I jus ttested the one in sid, works on bullseye for me.
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12:58<enigma9o7[m]>https://i.imgur.com/yQDTKqo.png
12:58<Guest6216>LINUX
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13:00<scorpion2185[m]>thanks, sid version is the same of buster 3.12
13:02<petn-randall>,ssb nomacs
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16:22<obsview>I'm having an absolute hell of a time figuring out how this nextcloud install is mounting an NFS share. It's not in /etc/fstab. systemctl -t mount shows a "misc-nextcloud.mount" which appears to be what's doing it, but I can't find the actual misc-nextcloud.mount file anywhere to see what it's doing. I read that it should be in /usr/lib/systemd/system, but it's not.
16:22<obsview>Debian 10
16:23<jeremiah>obsview: systemd can mount as well.
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16:23<jeremiah>See `systemd.mount`
16:24<jeremiah>systemd.mount: A unit configuration file whose name ends in ".mount" encodes information about a file system mount point controlled and supervised by systemd.
16:25<sarnold>obsview: it nextcloud might just be issuing the mount(2) syscall itself
16:26<obsview>Wouldn't any of the systemd methods for mounting result in a misc-nextcloud.mount (mounted under /misc/nextcould) unit file existing somewhere?
16:26<sarnold>I don't think so
16:28<sarnold>obsview: https://termbin.com/jquk
16:29<sarnold>it's certainly possible to have foo.mount things in systemctl output that don't have corresponding files
16:29<jeremiah>Apparently you can have a kind of dynamic mount as well.
16:30<obsview>I couldn't find anywhere in nextcloud that was mounting it. This could be a one-time systemd.mount command, maybe with the -A (automount) option for restoring on reboot?
16:30<jeremiah>obsview: Does /proc/self/mountinfo say anything?
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16:33<obsview>https://paste.debian.net/1219993
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16:35<obsview>Does this tell me anything about how it gets created? (I'm sorry I don't know more. I've always used fstab.)
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16:37<jeremiah>Well even systemd says fstab is what should be used. :-)
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16:37<jeremiah>But you can do some funky stuff with mount points and namespaces nowadays.
16:40<jeremiah>I don't know if that info tells you how it was created, I kinda doubt it.
16:40<jeremiah>obsview: But are you hoping to change the mount point or something?
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16:41<jeremiah>Is there no way to do that via other means in nextcloud's config?
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16:42<obsview>My goal here is to move nextcloud's user data mount point. I have another share prepared, and the easiest way for me to do it is to remove the old share and symlink my new one in in its place. (This avoids a massive database update within Nextcloud.)
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16:44<obsview>Started w/fstab, then discovered systemd.mount (hey, I learned what happens to my fstab entries at least!), couldn't find unit file. Even if I manage to kill the mount, it makes me nervous that I don't know the method by which it's happening. I can't find any examples of using systemd.mount with -A, probably because it's such an absurd method (instead of fstab or unit file).
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16:47<jeremiah> :-)
16:48<jeremiah>You can do mounts in process namespaces.
16:50<jeremiah>This can give you a different root for different namespaces.
16:50<jeremiah>Perhaps this is what NextCloud is trying to do? I.e. provide more isolation for the root process.
16:51<jeremiah>I don't know the mechanism by which this occurs.
16:51<mason>obsview: Be aware that if you use things like PrivateTmp you end up with the whole process in a different namespace.
16:51<obsview>I'm searching and reading to get my head around how I could tell if it's mounted in a process namespace.
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16:54<jeremiah>There are utilities to read namespaces like lsns in the util-linux package.
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16:54<obsview>What do the three numbers at the start of each line in /proc/self/mountinfo mean?
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16:55<sarnold>check proc(5) for details; they're mount id, parent mount id, and major:minor of st_dev on files on the filesystem
16:55<obsview>Thank you!
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17:04<obsview>HA! https://paste.debian.net/1219999/
17:04<sarnold>NICE
17:05<sarnold>man I haven't seen automounter thing in ages, and then it was for homedirs, not these 'device' things..
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17:05<jeremiah>TIL
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17:10<obsview>Thanks again :)
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17:46<Sqrt{not}>DusXMT, towo`, I sent a friendly email to Pete Batard, author of rufus, showing what happened today.
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18:13<DellGuy>Hi, I have two separate questions relating to Firefox ESR. 1. According to lsb-release -a, I have Debian 11 (bullseye). According to the package search (https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firefox-esr), bullseye should have the firefox-esr package giving me " Mozilla Firefox web browser - Extended Support Release (ESR) 78.14.0esr-1~deb11u1: amd64 arm64 armhf i386 mips64el mipsel ppc64el s390x". But when I look at FIrefox's "About" screen, it says
18:13<DellGuy>Firefox version 78.15.0esr, and not 78.14.0esr. What gives?
18:14<mason>,v firefox-esr
18:14<judd>Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 78.14.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 78.14.0esr-1~deb11u1; bookworm: 78.14.0esr-1+b1; buster-security: 78.15.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye-proposed-updates: 78.15.0esr-1~deb11u1; bullseye-security:
18:14<judd>78.15.0esr-1~deb11u1; experimental: 91.1.0esr-1; sid: 91.3.0esr-1
18:14<DellGuy>Question 2: is there a way to find out when a new version of Firefox ESR will be sent out to us Debian users? (Apologies if I am not using the right terminology here.) I am asking since Slack, and plenty of other websites, will stop supporting Firefox 78 soon.
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18:15<sney>2 is easier to answer, oddly -
18:15<mason>DellGuy: So, you're getting 15 from bullseye-security
18:15<DellGuy>judd: Exactly. So I wonder how I ended up with 78.15.0esr, and not 78.14.0esr-1... Not super important, just curious.
18:15<DellGuy>@mason, oh, okay, is that another release scheme? Sorry, I am kind of new to this.
18:15<mason>DellGuy: So, you're getting 15 from bullseye-security
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18:15<sney>there is an issue with getting an updated llvm-toolchain to build and install on debian, and that's holding up some firefox-esr 91 dependencies
18:16<mason>DellGuy: No, it just tracks what's in the base repo vs security separately.
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18:16<mason>And for 2), what he said. :)
18:16<DellGuy>@mason so a separate release function makes sure I get a newer version, kind of.
18:16<DellGuy>Lol at me going "@" on IRC...
18:16<sney>once that is resolved (and it is being actively worked on) then rust and firefox will follow and it will migrate to bullseye
18:16<DellGuy>sney: Cool. Crossing my fingers for that. Thanks.
18:17<sney>np.
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18:18<DellGuy>Just wanted to know it would happen at some point.
18:18<DellGuy>Thanks guys.
18:19<DellGuy>Just now realizing judd is a bot, btw, lol
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18:19<sney>if mozilla didn't require rustc (>= 1.51) for firefox-esr 91, then there wouldn't even be a problem
18:19*sney grumbles something about crab people
18:20<sney>and yes judd is our handy debian-database bot
18:20<mason>judd is helpful
18:22<DellGuy>Lovely judd.
18:22<DellGuy>Thank you and good night
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18:37<toad_>Libreoffice has stopped working. At first I thought it was the lock file, but fixed that and it still breaks. Generic instructions for fixing it say to move the config out of the way (I think this is ~/.config/libreoffice/4) ... this does not fix the problem. Ideas?
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18:39<toad_>Safe mode also fails ... the only thing that works is -env:UserInstallation=file:///tmp/test ...
18:40<toad_>I have an apparmor profile but I thought I'd set it to complain only ... which is strange because it is definitely having filesystem issues ...
18:42<toad_>Is the file picker a separate process? (LXDM)
18:42<toad_>Nothing obvious on the process list but if it was spawned by some indirect RPC stuff ...?
18:43<toad_>It is definitely all in complain mode and yet it is getting errors ... apparmor bug even?
18:44*iflema was appamour to fight sudo?
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18:45<iflema>toad_: any flags= in the profile? @ the opening bracket - fing
18:45<toad_>"In theory, deny rules should be enforced even in complain mode." ... hmmm
18:46<toad_>Looks like this behaviour may have changed at some point? I thought the point of complain mode was it doesn't enforce anything?
18:46<iflema>yeah but check the profile when you enforce and complain it adds flags=. You may have been confused constanly setting and restarting?
18:48<toad_>Ok it didn't like my deny rules ... I had no idea that they were enforced in complain mode ...
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18:51<sarnold>deny rules are enforced in complain mode
18:51<sarnold>it's there to help refine a profile
18:52<toad_>Well it means if I explicitly allow a bunch of stuff and then deny the rest, in complain mode it denies everything?
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18:54<toad_>That's only because I was adding my own deny's above an inherited profile's over-broad accept's which is a bad idea, fine
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18:54<sarnold>it'll only deny the deny rules, as well as (a complicated thing involving files on disconnected filesystems when the 'attach_disconnected' flag isn't in use)
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18:54<toad_>Yeah, I see
18:54<sarnold>nah, adding your own deny rules is fine, you've just got to be aware that they're there :)
18:57<toad_>Thanks!
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21:41<tuxd3v>dear friends, I am searching a way to install avconv,avprobe but I don't find a package for it..
21:41<tuxd3v>does any one knows where to find them
21:41<tuxd3v>?
21:41<tuxd3v>they are tool belonging to VAAPI
21:46<joeDoe>I'm trying to get weechat-matrix to work. When I run "/matrix connect matrix_org", I receive a certificate, then get the error "stderr: Error with command 'matrix_sso_helper'" from weechat and I get disconnected a few minutes later. The github page for weechat-matrix says to install matrix_sso_helper somewhere in my $PATH, but I can't find it in Debian. I don't see it at
21:46<joeDoe>https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/arm64/weechat-matrix/filelist, the "locate" command can't find it, and I can't find searching either package names or package contents at https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages. Can someone tell me where to find it other than on the github page? Is it packaged for Bullseye?
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21:52<jlu5>tuxd3v: avconv and friends come from libav which is an ffmpeg fork. you should be able to find ffmpeg and ffprobe tools with similar CLI/ behavior in the ffmpeg package
21:52<sarnold>joeDoe: you could try apt-get source weechat-matrix -- I see it in some ubuntu sources of weechat-matrix, and it might be in yours as well
21:54<tuxd3v>jlu5, isn't vaapi based in libav?
21:54<tuxd3v>https://www.libav.org/index.html
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21:58<joeDoe>sarnold: "$ sudo apt-get source weechat-matrix\nReading package lists... Done\nE: Unable to find a source package for weechat-matrix"
21:59<mason>judd: Did you have deb-src lines in your sources.list?
21:59<mason>joeDoe: *
21:59<mason>s/Did/Do/
22:00<joeDoe>mason: yeah, "deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main"
22:00<mason>tuxd3v: https://wiki.debian.org/HardwareVideoAcceleration
22:00<mason>tuxd3v: Not sure about those tools, but there's VAAPI stuff in Debian.
22:01<mason>,v weechat-matrix
22:01<judd>Package: weechat-matrix on amd64 -- bullseye: 0.2.0-2; bookworm: 0.3.0-1; sid: 0.3.0-2
22:01<tuxd3v>mason,jlu5, many thanks
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22:01<tuxd3v>yeah I am using vainfo to check what codecs my card can acelerate.. at least what is supported..
22:01<joeDoe>mason, the box weechat-matrix is on is arm64 not amd64
22:02<mason>oh, hrm
22:02<joeDoe>can judd say about that
22:02<joeDoe>?
22:02<mason>Dunno. Not seeing an option on package.debian either.
22:02<tuxd3v>but I would like to do a benchmark, with avconv :)
22:02<tuxd3v>just to see it work :)
22:02<marc_>is there a memory testing program i can apt-get
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22:03<sarnold>,v memtest86+
22:03<judd>Package: memtest86+ on amd64 -- buster: 5.01-3; stretch: 5.01-3; bookworm: 5.01-3.1; bullseye: 5.01-3.1; sid: 5.01-3.1
22:03<sarnold>yay :)
22:04<sarnold>though iirc this program only works in 'legacy mode', not uefi mode
22:04<marc_>says not available
22:05<mason>joeDoe: https://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/w/weechat-matrix/ has arm64 packages and what look like source package bits, and it's Python
22:05<sarnold>joeDoe: here's what I've got in my ubuntu source packages, probably same as in the debian source packages https://termbin.com/0hjq
22:05<Sqrt{not}>marc_, which version of debian are you running there?
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22:06<marc_>21 i think
22:06<marc_>im on a dual e5-2687w
22:06<mason>marc_: What's /etc/debian_version say?
22:07<mason>joeDoe: Any chance you added the source line and didn't 'apt update' ? Maybe that would matter. Unsure, for source packages.
22:08<joeDoe>mason: bingo. Lemme see what happens...
22:08<Sqrt{not}>marc_, or maybe, what is in /etc/issue ?
22:09<marc_>DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
22:09<marc_>DISTRIB_RELEASE=20.04
22:09<marc_>DISTRIB_CODENAME=focal
22:09<marc_>DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS"
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22:10<mason>I blame sarnold.
22:10<sarnold>I also blame sarnold
22:10<mason>Then we're agreed.
22:11<joeDoe>Oh! that apt-source source command downloaded some stuff!
22:11<mason>Cool.
22:11<sarnold>dude quit entirely :(
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22:11<mason>sarnold: Ah, I suppress joins/parts so I was wondering if the non-underscore similar nic was him, but figured he'd say something if so.
22:11<marc_>Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS"
22:12<Sqrt{not}>%ubuntuirc
22:12<dselect>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.libera.chat and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using HexChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
22:12<mason>marc_: That'd be #ubuntu, which while related to Debian isn't quite cricket.
22:12<marc_>ok
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22:12<mason>Oh, right, and Libera. I forget where I am.
22:13<joeDoe>ah crap, apt-get source downloaded to the working dir, and not to something like /var/cache/apt/etc...
22:13<sarnold>you and me both
22:13<mason>joeDoe: Yeah, not a bad idea to mkdir foo ; cd foo ; apt source foo
22:14<sarnold>I usually do mkdir /tmp/foo so a reboot will clean up after my mess :)
22:14<joeDoe>mason: too late :(
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22:14<mason>sarnold: The way I have it wired into my brain, and file or directly named foo is subject to immediate deletion, so it's sort of a just-in-time clean-up.
22:14<sarnold>oh that's nice
22:14<mason>joeDoe: ls -ltr and the new files will be at the end of the list, for tracking what to clean up.
22:15<sarnold>I've got piles of things named '*deleteme*' strewn all over the place
22:15<mason>heh
22:15<joeDoe>mason: cool, thanks
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22:27<aloo_shu>any alternatives to mc (midnight commander) in debian? I think sorting by date it does, but bulk selecting then deleting is a bit of a pita iirc. I'd know how to do that in nnn (nice lean cli file manager), but it's not in debian, afaik
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22:28<mason>aloo_shu: https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/nnn/nnn.1.en.html
22:29<aloo_shu>oooooh!
22:29<aloo_shu>,v nnn
22:29<judd>Package: nnn on amd64 -- buster: 2.2-2; bullseye: 3.5-1; bookworm: 4.3-1; sid: 4.3-1
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22:29<sarnold>aloo_shu: vidir from moreutils maybe? I don't know how far I'd trust it with odd-named contents..
22:29<aloo_shu>right, I'm not even on buster (yet)
22:30<mason>aloo_shu: It's worth upgrading for security support if nothing else.
22:32<aloo_shu>tbf 'security' is such a catch-all, while everyone has different risks, and different values attributed to what they could lose
22:34<aloo_shu>but nice to learn that nnn has found its way into debian
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22:39<themill>,i nnn
22:39<judd>Package nnn (misc, optional) in bullseye/amd64: Free, fast, friendly file manager. Version: 3.5-1; Size: 67.6k; Installed: 146k; Homepage: https://github.com/jarun/nnn; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/nnn
22:42<aloo_shu>actually having it already
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22:46<aloo_shu>I'm migrating in a different way, I'm having a bullseye netinstall image in a vm on a friend's server already, and my old 32 bit stretch install from a netbook is living in a chroot there
22:48<sarnold>https://xkcd.com/1360/
22:48<aloo_shu>so I can have the best of both worlds, fresh, lean start, and very controlled migration, it's just not as push-button
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22:52<Sqrt{not}>mmmmmmm, QBASIC
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22:54<tuxd3v>jlu5,mason, the avconv, avprobe and others were present in the libav-tools package, but in debian 11 it seems not packaged..
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23:02<jlu5>yes, debian switched back to ffmpeg some releases ago
23:02<jlu5>for most purposes you can replace references to avconv with ffmpeg and things should just work[tm]
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23:06<jlu5>https://superuser.com/a/507473 for some more context
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23:12<sarnold>oh neat
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23:16<mason>,v shotcut
23:16<judd>Package: shotcut on amd64 -- stretch-multimedia: 17.06-dmo1; bullseye: 21.01.29+ds-1; bookworm: 21.09.20+ds-1; sid: 21.10.31+ds-1; buster-multimedia: 1:19.06.15-dmo1+deb10u1; bullseye-multimedia: 1:21.03.21-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:21.10.31-dmo1
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