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04:36<zabriski>hey, I'm on debian 11 running kde plasma as my DE, and I wanted to try LXDE, but when I try to install it with --install-suggests it wants to remove systemd-timesyncd. Any idea why this might be, any how I could get around it but still get all the extra packages related to LXDE?
04:38<petn-randall>zabriski: I'm guessing that one of the packages suggests a different timesync daemon, like ntpd or crony, and that will force the removal of systemd-timesyncd.
04:38<petn-randall>zabriski: So I'd rather install it without --install-suggests, and then work it from there.
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04:39<zabriski>petn-randall: is there any clever way to search and find which one is trying to use different timesync, or would it just be a "manually install until it tries to yeet my timesync package" sort of situation?
04:40<petn-randall>zabriski: You can use aptitude for that.
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04:41<petn-randall>zabriski: If you select a package, it has a field that shows you the packages that depend on that package.
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04:49<zabriski>petn-randall: I'm not seeing a way to show the conflicts of the entire task package with recommends though, and it seems like it's some dependency of a dependency sort of a situaton. Am I missing something here?
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04:50<tomreyn>apt-rdepends should also be able to list it
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05:00<zabriski>apt-rdepends seems like it'll work but I don't understand how to get it to output what package is causing the conflict/replacement of systemd-timesyncd
05:01<zabriski>it seems like the follow conflicts flag doesn't allow me to check the conflicts of the depends of task-lxde-desktop the way that I'm trying to
05:02<petn-randall>zabriski: timesyncd Conflict: time-daemon, and that is a virtual package that's provide by all time daemons.
05:03<petn-randall>zabriski: So I'm guessing that some package suggests a specific one, and that conflicts with timesyncd. You should be able to spot the package in the list of packages to be installed when you run the apt command.
05:04<petn-randall>zabriski: One way to work around this is to `apt install --suggests lxde systemd-timesyncd`.
05:04<petn-randall>The resolver should at least do the right thing here and keep it installed.
05:06<zabriski>that does it, thanks. Normally I'd be smart enough to just figure this out manually but the task package for lxde with suggests is 1245 packages
05:07<zabriski>also how did you find the conflict with timesyncd? I was about to try piping the output of apt-redepends into a text file and search it but you gave me the answer before I was able to
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05:09<petn-randall>zabriski: open aptitude, search for systemd-timesyncd, open it, and it will list the package dependencies there.
05:10<petn-randall>I guess you can do the same via `apt-cache show systemd-timesyncd`.
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05:12<zabriski>that's awesome, I had no idea that was a thing I could do, thanks dude
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05:49<johnH0s>I am rewriting some code in the PhD app to read the data from RAM (source-code) instead of disk drive,but it will increase the number of lines to 150K or close.it exports as source-code
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05:49<johnH0s>so, I just add an "include file$"
05:49<johnH0s> I hope it will load the data in 1 second or so, because RAM is faster than disk
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05:58<DusXMT>johnH0s: You could also use tmpfs, that stores files in ram
05:59<johnH0s>it does?
06:00<DusXMT># mkdir /mnt/ramdisk
06:00<DusXMT># mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /mnt/ramdisk
06:01<DusXMT>and perhaps chmod 1777 /mnt/ramdisk
06:01<DusXMT>The /tmp by default is not backed by tmpfs on Debian
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06:05<johnH0s>ok cool
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07:16<g00se>Why would only /dev/sdb be visible. What happened to /dev/sda?
07:17<DusXMT>look at dmesg, it'll most likely be described there
07:17<g00se>Will do
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07:20<g00se>Hmm. Looks like a disk that isn't even used has failed
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07:35<zabriski>hey, after installing lxde and rebooting my mouse and keyboard don't work and I can't get into a tty to try and fix it
07:35<zabriski>how do I recover from this
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07:37<cc>edit the boot line in grub to boot into single user mode
07:37<cc>boot into that, you will end up in a root console
07:37<cc>fix whatever needs fixing and reboot
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07:46<jm_>no need to edit it, debian adds that to advanced menu in grub by default
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07:47<zabriski>I can't even boot into single user mode, I get failed to register device with error -19
07:47<petn-randall>zabriski: Did you accidentally remove your login manager? I'm still baffled how the tty would be broken.
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07:48<zabriski>no, login manager and everything else was working, I accidentally killed the wrong process in lxde and couldn't logout, so I dropped out to a tty to systemctl reboot and then whole system borked
07:48<selckin>you can boot from usb drive, and then mount & chroot into your install (if you ever installed gentoo you know how)
07:49<zabriski>and I've got EDAC sbridge: Failed to register device with error -19 and can't boot into literally anything from the debian install on disk
07:49<zabriski>and I can't find documentation as to what error -19 means in this context
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07:50<jm_>probably ENODEV
07:51<zabriski>and what does that mean for me?
07:52<jm_>my guess would be that's not your real problem, but hey, who knows
07:52<zabriski>no, what is ENODEV?
07:52<jm_>do you have errno tool installed?
07:52<zabriski>no
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07:53<jm_>well related error text is ¨No such device¨
07:54<zabriski>the only thing I can find related is something about usb devices screwing up but as far as I know my hardware is fine
07:54<zabriski>the mouse and keyboard appear to work just perfectly
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07:55<jm_>try booting without quiet boot option (for that you should edit your boot entry)
07:57<zabriski>will do, I just have no idea how installing lxde somehow caused this, I was assuming that it just borked xorg somehow but this just doesn't make any sense. I just booted into a linux mint live image and verified that the keyboard and mouse work through the usb ports they're connected to
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07:58<zabriski>it boots just fine, I just can't do anything on the login screen
07:58<jm_>yeah I think we're all a bit confused about it at this point - I'd expect at least one getty running that you could switch to
07:58<petn-randall>zabriski: I also don't think your issue is in any way related to installing lxde, this is something else entirely.
07:59<jm_>does keyboard have power? do any leds come on, i.e. capslock/numlock...
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08:00<zabriski>caps and numlock are dead, but they work before the login screen comes up
08:00<zabriski>like if I mash the arrow keys I can see it putting out the ]> or whatever chars it does
08:00<jm_>definitely weird
08:00<zabriski>but once it gets to login, nothing
08:00<jm_>bleh need to run
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08:02<zabriski>what can I even try? install cd and try to use rescue mode or something?
08:03<selckin>have the previus kernel version in grub? ssh in?
08:04<zabriski>previous kernel is also borked, I never set anything up to be able to ssh so I don't think I can
08:04<selckin>try to boot from usb/cd if that also doesn't work might actually be hw problem
08:05<zabriski>I can boot into linux mint from a cd, debian kde is just too fat and it's never come up on any system when I've tried to boot it from cd
08:06<zabriski>I can verify that the keyboard and mouse are absolutely functional on the ports they're plugged into though
08:06<selckin>https://wiki.debian.org/RescueLive
08:09<selckin>so if you figure out the problem you can fix it, but have to know the problem first :/
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08:11<zabriski>I'm assuming it's something to do with xorg input stuff, that's what I've heard
08:12<zabriski>but I also just got a device descriptor error -32 on trying to boot into linux mint live so I just don't know
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08:12<selckin>disable xorg/display manager from auto starting, then you can at least login into console and start it for some rapid testing
08:14<zabriski>since i'm already about to do this resuelive thing wouldn't it make more sense to do console stuff from there instead?
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08:14<selckin>well if you can boot without xorg, you're at least that far and don't have to do the rescuelive things every try
08:15<zabriski>ok, how would I prevent xorg from auto starting then?
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08:17<selckin>https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/569514/how-to-disable-and-enable-gui-of-debian-10
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08:28<zabriski>running with no gui the keyboard still won't work
08:28<zabriski>it just worked perfectly in mint live cd
08:30<zabriski>what packages control whatever usb input processing stuff do I need to reinstall/reconfigure?
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08:31<selckin>maybe check dpkg & apt logs in /var/log/ what you've recently updated
08:34<zabriski>I just installed task-lxde-desktop before this, it's 1245 packages, there's no way I'd be able to narrow down what broke what
08:36<selckin>can always try uninstall that and apt-get autoremove (should remove all the other deps), maybe you're lucky
08:38<zabriski>well considering that I can't get network to work in the chroot because when I try to mount resolv.conf it says the mount point is a symbolic link to nowhere, I guess I have no other choice
08:39<zabriski>unless someone can tell me why https://wiki.debian.org/RescueLive doesn't work when it comes to getting network
08:40<selckin>just put 'nameserver 8.8.8.8' in /etc/resolv.conf
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09:02<zabriski>is it possible to get into the live system rescue if my system is still technically bootable but not usable, or should I just give up and reinstall?
09:03<selckin>don't understand
09:03<selckin>thats what rescuelive explains
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09:05<zabriski>I'm reading something here about a recovery/rescue (however it's phrased) version of the installer that's on the CD
09:05<zabriski>idk it might be outdated
09:05<zabriski>because removing lxde didn't do anything for my non functional input devices
09:06<sussudio>why would it
09:07<zabriski>because that's the last thing I did before everything stopped working for no discernable reason, and it's not a hardware isue
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09:09<zabriski>at this point I'm about ready to give up unless someone has some really galaxy brain answer as to how installing task-lxde-desktop with the recommends on top of kde plasma (yes I now know it's dumb) and rebooting would cause my mouse and keyboard to completely stop working for my install, even in single user mode with no gui I can't login or get to any other tty, no capslock, nothing
09:10<selckin>its not dumb, should work
09:11<zabriski>I was told installing that way would be pointless because it includes all the other software that serves the same function as the stuff that comes with kde
09:12<selckin>well, its like having 3 cars you know, maybe you like to switch it up and if you have the garage space
09:12<zabriski>idk I guess I'm just reconfiguring debian after doing something seemingly normal has somehow broken my system in a way that mystifies even the most knowledgeable people I can find
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09:12<zabriski>I have absolutely 0 idea anymore
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09:14<selckin>not really a thing thats easy to debug remotely
09:14<zabriski>this is also the same install that refused to execute any bash scripts from dolphin for absolutely no reason, but only for a day. nobody was able to reproduce the issue including me, so I guess it was just cursed. Thanks for all the help anyways, I did learn a fair bit
09:14<selckin>what error
09:15<zabriski>it was acting like i forgot the top bit with /bin/bash, the shebang I think it's called, when it was a valid script other people could execute
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09:16<zabriski>everyone had no idea, I went to bed and the screen autolocked as it had done several times during troubleshooting, I woke up and problem magically solved after 0 input
09:16<selckin>ppl recommend '#!/usr/bin/env bash' for example now, since it can be /bin/bash or /usr/bin/bash etc, so it searches $PATH
09:16<selckin>sounds like it didn't +x have tho
09:16<zabriski>oh, I did that, and it was +x
09:16<zabriski>the whole nine yards
09:16<zabriski>multiple times
09:17<selckin>and people put in sh instead of bash and assume it'll be bash and use bash features, and then its boom actually an sh/busybox and script errors
09:18<zabriski>oh, I assure you, it was a valid script, I had multiple other people run hello world scripts that did nothing on my install and they were perfectly fine
09:18<selckin>mounted with noexec
09:18<selckin>altho thats hard todo accidently
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09:19<zabriski>what, like the volume was mounted with a flag to prevent exec or something? I haven't heard that one
09:20<selckin>yeah
09:20<selckin>often used on tmp dirs
09:20<zabriski>this was a fresh install btw, this happened the day after I installed it, hadn't rebooted or installed anything except steam and discord
09:20<zabriski>and I didn't reboot in between the problem occuring and fixing itself
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09:20<selckin>ghosts in your machine
09:22<zabriski>i am dead serious when i say it was cosmic rays
09:22<zabriski>it's literally the only explanation that makes sense
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09:22<selckin>not really, the 'dolphin' parts add a lots of layers that could go wrong
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09:24<zabriski>on a brand new install with nothing changed apart from installing 2 programs?
09:24<zabriski>I mean I'm about to have another brand new install so I can try to replicate this again but I doubt it'll happen
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09:25<zabriski>also any recommendations for a super light DE to run alongside plasma that won't make my whole install commit die when I try to use it? I'm honestly not so sure about trying LXDE again
09:26<selckin>i don't use a DE
09:27<zabriski>well how do you consume content that's not all text?
09:28<selckin>awesome-wm
09:30<zabriski>so would it be possible to have awesome-wm or similar as an option alongside kde? I like to have all of the heavy flashy stuff that kde offers but sometimes I'm trying to squeeze every last tiny bit of system resources out of my pc that I possibly can
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09:31<selckin>you can boot into a display manager (like lightdm) think kde has a kdm, then you pick the user + session(which can then be kde/plasma, or awesome-wm or any other window manager
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09:33<zabriski>oh, I understand now, I totally screwed my install by trying to get lxde the way I did I'm almost positive now
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10:58<MarkTevanian>Hello everyone!, I am looking for some advice to solve a bluetooth issue
10:58<petn-randall>MarkTevanian: Ask away, and someone knowing the answer will respond.
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10:59<MarkTevanian>A few days ago I ran update & upgrade commands, and now when I connect my bluetooth speaker it wont show in the output devices list
10:59<petn-randall>MarkTevanian: What release are you on?
10:59<MarkTevanian>I tried a few tricks from many forums, like reinstalling blueman, pulseaudio mofules, etc, but the problem is still there
11:00<sussudio>and you checked the logs, ofcourse...
11:00<MarkTevanian>no I havent, im on the latest kali linux rolling release, but since it is debian based I thought I could get some help here
11:01<MarkTevanian>I already tried to join the kali linux channel but they ask for some registration first
11:01<sussudio>!kali
11:01<dpkg>Kali Linux https://kali.org/ is a security/penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but is different enough that we don't provide support in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.libera.chat or https://forums.kali.org/ Also ask me about <based on debian> and read https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html
11:02<maryjane_>!ubuntu
11:02<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on irc.libera.chat instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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11:04<blast007>MarkTevanian: I wouldn't use Kali for general purpose use. It's not going to be a secure system. A normal linux distribution like Debian would be much better for general purpose use.
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11:06<petn-randall>MarkTevanian: Kali is a snapshot from Debian testing at some point, so the problem won't exist in Debian stable, and likely not anymore in Debian testing. I'd ask the Kali support about this.
11:07<petn-randall>MarkTevanian: And I agree with blast007 that Kali isn't a good daily driver, I'd rather use it a VM if you need the tools as it's HW support isn't great.
11:09<MarkTevanian>thank you so much guys for your answers
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11:10<MarkTevanian>the main reason why I use kali is to learn more about offensive security
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11:10<MarkTevanian>I will also take your advice and maybe install a Debian stable OS version
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11:12<MarkTevanian>thanks so much habve a great day
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12:06<RoyK>,v hdparm
12:06<judd>Package: hdparm on amd64 -- stretch: 9.51+ds-1+deb9u1; buster: 9.58+ds-1; buster-backports: 9.58+ds-4~bpo10+1; bookworm: 9.60+ds-1; bullseye: 9.60+ds-1; sid: 9.60+ds-1
12:07<somiaj>RoyK: you can /msg judd v hdparm if you just want that info for yourself
12:08<RoyK>somiaj: sorry
12:09<somiaj>It is fine, just letting you know in case you didn't
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13:18<A|an>Where is the man page for the type command (which is part of the POSIX Programmer's Manual)
13:19<enigma9o7[m]>libcaca
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13:22<A|an>funny
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13:32<Sqrt{not}>A|an, do you have that command installed somewhere?
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13:39<Sqrt{not}>A|an, if not installed, then (of course) the answer is: on the WWW for example: https://www.unix.com/man-page/posix/1p/type/
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13:40<alexrelis>How do I make an external flash drive the default boot disk with /boot/efi and /boot/ on a system that already has Grub installed on the internal SSD?
13:40<alexrelis>I made a clone of my ESP and /boot partitions on a flash drive and edited /etc/fstab but the system won't boot.
13:40<A|an>sorry...yes, type works...evidently I need manpages-posix installed...which is now cooperating with an install
13:41<A|an>yes...i was using https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/type.1p.html
13:42<A|an>I was just wondering (when man type wouldn't work, but I have access to the command) where the manpage was on the system
13:42<A|an>answer: it's not
13:42<alexrelis>Basically my laptop's firmware has a bug where it keeps clearing EFI boot entries for internal drives. So I need to boot from USB to get my system working.
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13:48<Sqrt{not}>alexrelis, some of my systems have a firmware setting for the boot order of physical device types
13:48<A|an>Sqrt{not}: Kinda strange...manpages-posix and manpages-posix-dev are listed as current packages, but I get a "unable to locate package" when I attempt to install...and my sources list allows non-free...so, kinda in a quandary
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13:49<A|an>I may have to put this off till later (I didn't know it was going to turn into a science project!)
13:49<Sqrt{not}>,v manpages-posix
13:49<judd>Package: manpages-posix on amd64 -- buster/non-free: 2013a-2; stretch/non-free: 2013a-2; bookworm/non-free: 2017a-2; bullseye/non-free: 2017a-2; sid/non-free: 2017a-2
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13:51<alexrelis>Sqrt{not}: My computer is a System76 machine which uses Coreboot. No devices are appearing in the boot menu. This is a known bug. The only thing that works is a Debian Live USB.
13:51<alexrelis>The settings are pretty barebones. Not much to configure besides setting a one time boot entry.
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13:53<Sqrt{not}>alexrelis, there is a #coreboot channel on libera
13:53<A|an>Sqrt{not}: This is a stupid question (which never stops me) but the package name is manpage-posis...and 2013a-2 is not included somehow, right?
13:53<A|an>manpage-posix
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13:54<Sqrt{not}>A|an, no, manpages-posix
13:54<A|an>yes, that's what I've been using...typo above
13:56<Sqrt{not}>I see it on this system, 2013a-2 which debian release are you on there?
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13:56<Sqrt{not}>I opened aptitude and searched for it, came up right away
13:57<A|an>still on buster
13:57<A|an>today I'm installing bullseye
13:57<A|an>anyway...I'm doing an apt-get install
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13:59<A|an>"aptitude install manpages-posix"..."Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "manpages-posix"
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14:00<sussudio>,v manpages-posix
14:00<judd>Package: manpages-posix on amd64 -- buster/non-free: 2013a-2; stretch/non-free: 2013a-2; bookworm/non-free: 2017a-2; bullseye/non-free: 2017a-2; sid/non-free: 2017a-2
14:00<Sqrt{not}>A|an, I would double-check the sources.list entry to make sure it has non-free?
14:00<A|an>okay
14:01<A|an>I had it commented out and released it, but I'll take another look
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14:01<A|an>Actually, that's gotta be the problem...no other explanation
14:02<Sqrt{not}>if you just recently "released" it (edited to uncomment?) did you do `apt update` since then?
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14:04<A|an>good point (I did, but not sure at what point...I've been fighting this thing)
14:05<Sqrt{not}>maybe show us the sources.list entry, for a fresh-eyes sanity check?
14:05<A|an>tahdah
14:05<A|an>I knew it was someting stupid
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14:06<A|an>Processing triggers for man-db...what I wanted
14:06<A|an>Thx Sqrt{not}
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14:07<Sqrt{not}>A|an, ok, good job :)
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14:10<somiaj>A|an: note since you commented it out, do you have a separate line for non-free? You can include this all in a single line
14:12<A|an>yes, i do
14:15<A|an>Ihttps://i.imgur.com/Oksoqo8.png
14:15<somiaj>It is usually suggested you use a single line, so something like deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main non-free contrib
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14:16<somiaj>wow you have tons of duplicates there, you don't need to use both the deb.debian.org and ftp.us.debian.org mirror (pick one, we suggest the CDN deb.debian.org for most users)
14:16<somiaj>multiple lines for contrib and non-free do work, but usually not the recommended method
14:16<somiaj>also for text, please use a text pastebin, like paste.debian.net, vs an image
14:17<A|an>lol...the souces list has traveled with me across numerous releases...I intend to prune it...in fact, the one that set to use with the new installation is very terse
14:17<somiaj>but tons of duplicates, You can safely remove most of those lines
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14:17<A|an>yes, I know and agree
14:18<A|an>oh, sorry...I'll use pastebin from now on
14:19<A|an>I thought pastebin had fallen by the wayside
14:19<alexrelis>Sigh, my system is still not booting. What could be the issue? The flash drive is GPT and I made an ESP partition and a /boot partition and my laptop's UEFI is still unable to detect it.
14:20<alexrelis>Edited fstab and ran a grub-install to the flash drive as well.
14:21<alexrelis>I also tried to copy the partitions to another flash drive just in case the UEFI had trouble reading the Sandisk I have.
14:24<A|an>somiaj: Having a sources list that contains duplicate or obsolete information, does that cause problems of any sort?
14:24<A|an>Lines that aren't commented out
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14:26<julio_cesar>Hi! Is there another way to watch ip cameras in Debian besides ONVIFView and ZoneMinder?
14:28<enigma9o7[m]>vlc
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14:29<somiaj>A|an: It works, but it may make things take longer than they should, and in general just makes things harder to maintain
14:30<julio_cesar>really? i don't know that
14:31<A|an>ok, thx
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14:31<somiaj>mpv / mplayer might be able to as well. It could depend on the camera though
14:31<julio_cesar>Always give connection refused in ONIFView
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14:32<julio_cesar>Thanks for all
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14:36<cpach>hi folks! is it "normal" for a PC to not send out a Displayport signal during boot?
14:37<cpach>context: trying to boot a refurbished Lenovo Thinkcentre M72e that i've bought.
14:37<sussudio>it is with mine, since it doesn't have displayport.
14:37<cpach>(^_^)
14:37<cpach>there is an ssd therein but i have no idea if there is any OS installed at all. trying to boot the machine from a USB stick.
14:37<enigma9o7[m]>yeah none of my pcs sending out displayport signals
14:37<sussudio>port may be disabled in setup
14:37<cpach>tricky
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14:38<enigma9o7[m]>try dsub
14:38<cpach>so i'm not sure if the pc is actually booting from the USB drive. since i cannot see the bios
14:38<cpach>enigma9o7[m]: i.e. VGA?
14:39<cpach>i'm afraid i have no monitor with VGA support :-/
14:39<enigma9o7[m]>well, vga implies 640x480, but yeah analog connector
14:39<cpach>i'm afraid that's a noop
14:39<A|an>somiaj: What's your thoughts on using zfs on a root partition, or period, for that matter.
14:41<A|an>Would using it on a boot partition be a good idea?
14:41<somiaj>I personally have no reason to use anything except ext? for my setup, and it is a very standard, tried and tested file system that just works without issues, and is comprable to most other file systems.
14:42<somiaj>So unless you have a very specific reason for using another file system, I suggest just sticking with ext?
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14:42<somiaj>note zfs does have some nice features, but if you are using lvm, you have those features via lvm anyways
14:42<A|an>yes, my inclination too
14:42<A|an>thx
14:42<somiaj>but if you don't need those features, to me it is just another layer between you and your data. I don't use lvm for the same reason, since I don't use any of its features, I don't want that extra layer between me and my data
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14:43<somiaj>I guess I should have said lvm has many of the features you may want from zfs, but not all
14:44<realroot> where do I put a sound for an alarm? /usr/share/sounds/sound-icons?
14:44<A|an>I consider ext4 the rock-solid standard, but I was really curious about zfs...supposedly the maintainers of ext4 plan to migrate to another file system, with ext4 being the last...that's what prompted me to consider zfs
14:45<somiaj>I haven't heard anything about ext4 plan to migrate, maybe they'll come up with ext5 to add some more features, but I odn't keep up on these things
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14:46<A|an>btrfs is the one they're considering
14:46<A|an>https://www.ilsistemista.net/index.php/linux-a-unix/6-linux-filesystems-benchmarked-ext3-vs-ext4-vs-xfs-vs-btrfs.html
14:47<A|an>can't find the post that described their intention, but...that's what they have planned (supposedly)
14:48<mh3f>I have dnsmasq setup with SSHFP records. However, when I ssh into a server, I still receive a prompted whether to continue connecting. It states it can't establish authenticity although it says "Matching host key fingerprint found in DNS". Am I missing something else?
14:48<somiaj>I do recall now many years ago a lot of people thought btrfs was going to replace ext? as the default file system used by the linux kernel and most distros, but that never happened
14:49<mason>mh3f: What's your VerifyHostKeyDNS setting?
14:49<somiaj>zfs seems to be the popular one now, though over time I've seen popular file systems come and go, and ext sticks around because it is just rock solid, well known, and often about as good in preformance as the other ones
14:49<mh3f>mason: I'm using -o VerifyHostKeyDNS=yes
14:49<somiaj>Anyways, I will probably stick with ext? for a while even after any major change in the defaults since I don't install fresh sytems that often.
14:50<enigma9o7[m]>when did ext4 replace ext3, and how long did that transition take (as far as debian and other distros using it as default)?
14:50<mason>mh3f: Hrm, from my reading that ought not to prompt you.
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14:50<mason>somiaj: FWIW, ZFS is over 20 years old.
14:51<somiaj>I think the other file systems have their uses, and if you are in a situation you need their features, there is nothing wrong with using them. Many I think just jumping on the popular/sns wagon though.
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14:51<somiaj>mason: not in linux, but yea due to being built on a very old and powerful filesystem, it has actually become quite stable in linux fairly quickly
14:51<A|an>That's actually it, for me...I don't really need it
14:52<mason>I think I first used it on Linux like eight years ago. Makes me wonder when it first appeared in non-FUSE form... Looking.
14:52<somiaj>I think lvm slowed things down a lot on this front, since lvm can do a lot of the snapshot/subvolumes type of things that is useful.
14:53<mason>I was still scarred by the earlier LVM snapshot model.
14:53<somiaj>enigma9o7[m]: since ext3 and ext4 were compadable and one could just upgrade an existing ext3 to ext4, I belive it was fairly quick (maybe a single debian release, or two (one added as a feature preview, the next replaced it)
14:53<enigma9o7[m]>ah ok, i didnt relaize they were compatible, that woulda made it easier
14:54<somiaj>but overall I recall once ext4 hit and benchmarked similar to other file systems at a time, it basically became the standard fairly quickly as a default.
14:54<somiaj>note other filesystems were better at certain cases, lots of tiny files, or very large files, but for a mix and standard use it was comprable
14:55<mason>enigma9o7[m]: FWIW, I use EXT4 exclusively on GNU/Linux where I can't use ZFS for some reason.
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14:55<mason>I trust it.
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14:58<somiaj>mason: looks like first relase of zfsonlinux was April 2015, v0.6.1, and the 2.0 release just came out Nov 2020
14:58<mason>FWIW, comparing LVM to ZFS misses some of the critical bits that come from ZFS being a CoW filesystem and crossing hard layer boundaries. The critical bits would be the way snapshots work and the ability to send/receive incremental streams using snapshots, and self-healing at the file level when you have multiple sources of truth, the most common form of that being two or more disks in a redundant
14:58<mason>configuration.
14:58<mh3f>mason: I think I figured out why: "debug1: found 6 insecure fingerprints in DNS" I need to configure DNSSEC
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14:59<somiaj>yea, self healing sounds nice, though in my limited use I haven't had ext ever go bad on me, it is always the hardawre
14:59<mason>somiaj: That's the first one they list on the upstream site, but I think it was around before that. IIRC the ftpmasters rejected the initial ZFS On Linux packages offered in 2014.
14:59<mh3f>on to the next rabbit trail
14:59<mason>mh3f: Ah, interesting.
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14:59<mason>somiaj: Even if it's the hardware, ZFS will notice and heal. EXT4 itself, yeah, it's rock solid.
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15:00<somiaj>and yea, zfs is quite a powerful file system, and well trusted (I still think it needs a little more maturity in the linux port). I do find that now that we have zfs on linux, I don't hear about btrfs as much anymore.
15:00<alexrelis>I think that Debian Testing and Sid should ship with BTRFS by default.
15:01<alexrelis>With the ability to roll back to previous snapshots from Grub.
15:01<somiaj>as for btrfs, I was kinda surprised all the effort to try to replace ext4 with it seemed to just die out, it was getting really stable.
15:01<mason>somiaj: The issue with btrfs, and this is not the common view but I think it matters, is that you must chase the bleeding edge of the Linux kernel to get fixes, which drastically cuts down the testing audience, where ZFS On Linux runs on a wide range of kernels and hence lets folks use it on whatever stable kernel their distribution offers.
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15:01<somiaj>or at least I haven't heard much about it in the last few years
15:02<alexrelis>But ZFS isn't officially supported by the Linux kernel. I think it's not the best idea to make it the default if that is the case.
15:02<mason>Fedora's bumped up btrfs adoption recently, and I think it's gaining ground other places. Frankly we'll all benefit from having more self-healing CoW filesystems avaiable.
15:02<mason>alexrelis: Yeah, it'll ~never be the default.
15:02<somiaj>mason: ahh didn't realize that, and yes, having to constantlly upgrade a kernel to get a fix to your filesystem will cutdown its use in the server world alot.
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15:03<alexrelis>SUSE has the best BTRFS support.
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15:05<A|an>now i'm back to being really intriged with zfs
15:05<mason>A|an: My standard advice is "explore everything - the more you learn, the more wisdom you can apply to anything you tackle"
15:05<somiaj>A|an: might be worth testing them out on a test system, but me personally although the features sound great, I am happy with ext4.
15:05*kveroneau thinks ZFS is quite amazing, but isn't for them.
15:06<A|an>I intend to setup a homelab system at some point in the near future and I'll probably use ZFS with it.
15:06<A|an>Get familiar with it
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15:08<A|an>But I'm sticking with EXT4 for everydaycarry, as they say
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15:11<mason>A|an: #zfsonlinux (Libera) is a good support community.
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15:12<utente>hello
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15:14<A|an>thx for the tip
15:14<A|an>thx everybody for the insight
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15:24<alexrelis>Anyone know how to install grub to a flash drive?
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15:28<sussudio>you could just type that into google.
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15:35<alexrelis>sussudio: I'm trying but it seems like it doesn't fully do what I want it to do.
15:36<alexrelis>Like I just tried installing grub to a USB with the official documentation and it installed a bootable grub but there's no entries to boot in my system.
15:37<alexrelis>How can I make it so that grub is installed on both my internal SSD and my USB flash drive and updates on both when both are plugged in?
15:37<xnaas>I was reading https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Wayland (the Wayland section) and it mentions a Xorg patch. Said patch was merged some time ago, but I don't know if it's available in bullseye or not.
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15:42<johnjay>question. I accidentally changed sources.list from bullseye->bookworm and did a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
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15:42<johnjay>i thought the correct thing is to do a sudo apt-get fullupgrade. what exactly did i do?
15:43<johnjay>lsb_release says i'm bookworm and and i have bookworm versions of packages
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15:43<sney>so now run apt full-upgrade to complete the process
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15:44<sney>full-upgrade (aka dist-upgrade) tells apt to also install/remove packages when handling dependencies. upgrade just upgrades existing packages, so with larger upgrades it will not get the whole thing, essentially
15:44<johnjay>well. so it's not a bad thing doing just upgrade? i thought that should fail because upgrade can't pull in new deps or something?
15:44<sney>they can be run sequentially without breaking anything. that's how upgrades are usually done.
15:45<johnjay>what do you mean by "the whole thing"?
15:45<johnjay>i guess i thought it would fail with broken package errors
15:45<sney>that would be pretty unusual.
15:45<johnjay>like. you upgrade package A which depends on B now but it can't install B
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15:46<sney>apt's dependency solver would not even try to upgrade package A in that case
15:46<johnjay>or idk can't uninstall something it did depend on
15:46<sney>hence, not the whole thing
15:46<johnjay>well i did apt-get
15:46<johnjay>i think the wiki says to use apt
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15:46<johnjay>i know apt is more clever in some way
15:47<sney>that's a matter of preference in most cases. read the man page for apt-get and pay close attention to the difference between 'upgrade' and 'dist-upgrade'
15:47<johnjay>so i thought 'sudo apt-get upgrade' should fail or give broken packages
15:47<sney>again, that would be very unusual.
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15:48<sney>if apt{-get, itude} can't install a package because of an unsatisfiable dependency, it won't try to install that package
15:48<johnjay>oh it says that if upgrade finds it can't do it with a package unless another package is changed it just don't do anything
15:48<johnjay>ahhhh ok
15:48<johnjay>but you're saying that's actualy fairly rare?
15:49<sney>sometimes weird stuff happens when you're upgrading testing or sid, due to transitions etc.
15:49<XileX>johnjay: You're now running "testing" and get more frequent updates
15:49<johnjay>ok. i thought apt-get would try to upgrade every package. and then if that package depended on something new it would fail
15:49<johnjay>bc it wouldn't install it
15:49<sney>but in normal operation, apt won't get to a broken state just from 'apt upgrade' instead of 'apt full-upgrade'.
15:49<johnjay>so right now my system is in a hybrid state, with some packages stable and some testing?
15:49<sney>that's what it sounds like yes
15:50<johnjay>ok. but that's not a bad thing
15:50<johnjay>that's what i was also wondering
15:50<johnjay>like if i left it like this does that violate some policy
15:50<sney>it's not inherently broken, but you should finish the upgrade if you want it to work predictably and if you want support from us :)
15:50<johnjay>ok. is full-upgrade synonymous with dist-upgrade?
15:50<sney>yes
15:51<johnjay>ok. last question. the debian wiki says to use apt throughout this process
15:52<johnjay>is that also standard? as opposed to apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade
15:52<sney>!why apt
15:52<dpkg>apt is promoted over apt-get for interactive use. It uses fancy colors and has output format differences. It removes the .deb files that it downloads during an install or upgrade. It installs new packages during upgrades. apt-get has a stable command-line interface and is promoted for scripting.
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15:52<sney>it comes down to personal preference, if you prefer to use apt-get then that's fine
15:52<johnjay>ok
15:52<alexrelis>apt is better.
15:53<sney>!start an apt frontend war
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15:53<XileX>There is also aptitude
15:53<jkc>apt is better.
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15:58<xnaas>speaking of, does one need to dist/full-upgrade for a point release?
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15:58<xnaas>e.g. 11 → 11.1
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16:00<Sqrt{not}>xnaas, no, in fact if you regularly do apt upgrade, you already have the point release.
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16:01<xnaas>coolio; figured, but wasn't sure!
16:01<xnaas>thanks :)
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16:04<alexrelis>How do I install grub on both my internal SSD and an external USB flash drive so that both can allow me to boot into my operating system and be updated whenever my system upgrades?
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16:04<tuxd3v>hello guys, how can I find the package that contains:
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16:05<sarnold>tuxd3v: apt-file search kaveri_uvd.bin
16:05<sarnold>alexrelis: try dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc -- though I'm not actually sure if that's supposed to work or not
16:05<perkelix>howdy! In /etc I have found a few files with the extension .dpkg-remove and I'm wondering what they are?
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16:06<alexrelis>sarnold: thanks
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16:17<tuxd3v>sarnold, many thanks, I don't know why.. but I forgot about it..i am installing a syd machine :)
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16:17<tuxd3v>.
16:17<sarnold>tuxd3v: until you use something often enough to *know* it, it's easy to forget
16:17*sarnold glares at git
16:18<tuxd3v>yeah, I know, but I just want 2 versions on my machine..
16:18<tuxd3v>stable, and unstable :)
16:18<sarnold>haha
16:19<tuxd3v>:)
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17:51<spaceloop>Hi, I'm running debian 10. I have two drives in my laptop, an ssd and an hdd. The filesystem on the hdd is not mounted, but still about every second there is a some disk activity (I can hear noise and the disk activity LED flickers). It stops when I run udisksctl power-off. How do I find out what is causing this?
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17:58<mason>spaceloop: Any errors in dmesg?
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18:02<tristero>do you have a swap partition on that hdd?
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18:03<spaceloop>mason: no errors: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/870c4764/
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18:05<mason>spaceloop: Not sure what's causing the periodic checks. I could envision a bus error causing periodic reprobes.
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18:05<mason>but that should show up in dmesg
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18:06<somiaj>spaceloop: maybe share the output of 'mount' also state what drive the hd is
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18:08<somiaj>also could this be some auto mount tool of a desktop that is peridotically looking at this unmounted file system so it can appear in a file manager with the option to mount it?
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18:10<spaceloop>`$ sudo mount | grep sda` exits without any output. If I do mount it, it's `$ sudo mount | grep sda/dev/sda1 on /media/bigstorage type ext4 (rw,relatime)`
18:12<spaceloop>somiaj: I'm using xfce, Thunar does display the name of the mountpoint when it is not mounted
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18:18<somiaj>how often does this happen, wonder if you just don't log in to xfce, but instead just open up a console if you get the same effect.
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18:22<spaceloop>I'll give it a try, I'm pretty sure this happens constantly, also when not logged in. Only if I power off the drive with udisksctl it stops.
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18:23<somiaj>Might have to keep an eye on the process that are running, is udisk running?
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18:24<spaceloop>Huh, it does stop when logging out of the xfce session!
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18:24<somiaj>so probably thunar is just wanting to auto mount this, maybe see if you can configure thunar to ignore this drive with its auto mount tools
18:25<Animortis>Hey guys, I just switched to an AMD card over Nvidia. Having some fun figuring out if it's working. Anyone have any tips?
18:25<Animortis>Bullseye
18:25<somiaj>Many amd cards will work better if you install firmare-amd-graphics from non-free
18:26<somiaj>but outside of that, provided it is supported by the kernel in bullseye, it should 'just work'
18:26<Animortis>I got that
18:26<Animortis>Hmm
18:26<Animortis>Well, I'm trying to up my refresh rate above 60 hz. I can do a lot more. Is there a standard way to manage that?
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18:26<Animortis>With Nvidia, I'd use nvidia-settings
18:26<somiaj>you can check the output of xvinfo or even glxinfo, or check your Xorg.0.log file to see what driver it is loading
18:27<somiaj>check out xrandr, do you see any modes that have a refresh rate > 60hz?
18:27<blast007>if you're using Gnome, that's part of the settings application
18:27<somiaj>so run xrandr -q
18:27<somiaj>and yea, many DE's have a front end to this
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18:27<Animortis>Nope, none above 60
18:28<somiaj>Have you rebooted since you installed the firmware?
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18:28<somiaj>anyways, it could be that it just isn't detecting any modes above 60hz with the edid/gpu combo
18:28<somiaj>you can look at your Xorg.0.log file for info about what it is detecting
18:29<Animortis>I think so. I'll reboot again.
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18:30<Animortis>What is xvinfo supposed to say?
18:30<Animortis>Glamor textured video?
18:30<Animortis>I don't have glxinfo
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18:31<alexrelis>Is it possible to make btrfs subvolumes while my / mountpoint is within a snapshot?
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18:32<somiaj>Animortis: glxinfo is part of mesa-utils, that provides more about the glx capabilities of your current display, xvinfo doesn't seem to say as much as xrandr -q about possible modelines (thus refresh rates) avialable
18:34<Animortis>Well, under Nvidia I could get 144hz no problem. AMD I'm getting 60... So I'm either missing something or the drivers can't handle it (which I doubt)
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18:34<Animortis>Seeing an extended renderer for AMD saying it's accelerated
18:35<Animortis>In glxinfo
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18:35<somiaj>what is the output of 'xrandr -q' at paste.debian.net, also share your Xorg.0.log either in /var/log or $HOME/.local/share/xorg/
18:35<blast007>Animortis: I'm using an AMD RX 570 with a 144Hz display (which was previously used with nVidia, so it's a g-sync display) and I can run at 144Hz
18:35<somiaj>use paste.debian.net or termbin or some other pastebin (please don't use pastebin.com)
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18:36<Animortis>blast007: Then yeah, I'm missing something
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18:36<somiaj>which AMD card do you have?
18:36<somiaj>again, have you restarted since you installed the firmware-amd-graphics?
18:36<Animortis>Brand new RX 6900 XT. Going to do a linux-only gaming build next year.
18:36<Animortis>Ah yes, let's reboot first... brb
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18:37<somiaj>could that card be a bit too new for bullseye's kernel?
18:37<somiaj>I don't know amd at all
18:38<spaceloop>somiaj: I've found the culprit! It was the panel's sensor plugin reading the disk temperature :)
18:38<spaceloop>thanks for the help!
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18:39<somiaj>woot!!
18:39<somiaj>I wouldn't have guessed that, but glad we figured out it was some DE thingy
18:39<blast007>yeah, I have no experience with the RX 6000 cards. I'd *like* to, but... I'm not going to pay the silly prices right now.
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18:40<Animortis>OK back
18:40<spaceloop>yep, that helped a lot. I basically started killing processes and narrowed it down that way...
18:40<somiaj>Animortis: any change in the output of xrandr -q
18:40<Animortis>somiaj: Nope
18:40<Animortis>Though I'll note it says at like 1440 and lower, it has 144hz available...
18:41<Animortis>It's a 4K monitor...
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18:41<somiaj>You sure the card supports 144hz at 4k? Xorg.0.log would tell you what modelines it detected, but even my 2k monintor doens't support higher refresh rates at full resolution.
18:42<Animortis>It does. I've been using it with Nvidia and on Windows no problem at that refresh and hz
18:42<somiaj>though there are a lot of things moving around here. It could also be this card is a bit too new for bullseye. I don't know amd, so unsure how bleeding edge this card is
18:42<somiaj>,kernels
18:42<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.14.0-trunk-686-pae (5.14.3-1~exp1); sid: 5.14.0-1-686 (5.14.6-3); bullseye: 5.10.0-8-686 (5.10.46-5); buster-backports: 5.10.0-0.bpo.8-686 (5.10.46-4~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-17-686-pae (4.19.194-3); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.17-686-pae (4.19.194-3~deb9u1); jessie-backports:
18:42<judd>4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1); bookworm: 5.14.0-1-686 (5.14.6-2); bullseye-backports: 5.10.0-8-686 (5.10.46-5)
18:43<somiaj>wonder if the bot isn't updated on bullseye-backports. I would expect the 5.14 kernel in backports
18:43<somiaj>Unsure if the newer 5.14 kernel would help with such a new card, though maybe you need newer firmware, which isn't in backports yet
18:43<somiaj>but you can get the 5.14 kernel from backports
18:43<Animortis>I'm wondering if it's that too
18:43<somiaj>But look at the Xorg.0.log file, this will tell you info about what is being detected
18:44<Animortis>OK, yes... The log file
18:44<Animortis>Before I do, are backports kernels stable? I was running sid for a while, and it was a mess. Now, it was also on a btrfs raid, but a mess nonetheless.
18:44<somiaj>Note, I personally still use nvidia, mostly because the non-free driver has just worked for me and find it a bit better supported than the open amdgpu driver (which is using non-free firmware)
18:45<somiaj>depends on what you mean by stable, the backport packages are built for stable and integrate with stable just fine. And since the kernel is basically a single package, the risk is small. If it doesn't work, just go back to the stable kernel
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18:46<somiaj>but the backport kernel does have less testing than the stable one, and dosen't get direct security updates (you'll just have to wait for a new kernel to make it into testing and then be backported)
18:48<Animortis>https://paste.debian.net/1220139/
18:50<somiaj>well lines 350-380 show a lot of modelines being detected.
18:51<somiaj>Not sure why it isn't detecting the higher modelines you want. There are ways to configure custom modelines and try to force your output to obey them, this can be hit or miss though.
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18:52<Animortis>Well, guessing this is too cutting-edge for the open driver... Gonna try the backport kernel, though I don't recall sid giivng me any better results...
18:53<blast007>were you saying that Windows saw the higher refresh rates with this AMD card?
18:53<somiaj>Animortis: try 'gtf 3840 2160 144', does that give you a modeline for 144hz?
18:53<Animortis>somiaj: Yes!
18:54<somiaj>Animortis: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/227876/how-to-set-custom-resolution-using-xrandr-when-the-resolution-is-not-available-i
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18:54<somiaj>Animortis: you can try to force that modeline using xrandr, and see if you get it, this can have mixed results.
18:55<Animortis>Gonna try
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18:59<Animortis>Quick ask: How can I tell the display name?
18:59<Animortis>Oh wait, caps...
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19:02<Animortis0>Borked
19:02<Animortis0>Out of ranged the monitor, which is like extra confusing
19:04<Animortis0>So going with "too new" as the answer atm
19:07<blast007>if that display doesn't support DSC, you might only be able to go up to 4K@120Hz
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19:08<Animortis>DSC?
19:09<blast007>Display Stream Compression
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19:09<Animortis>Rebooting again brb
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19:16<Animortis>Alright, thanks guys. I'll keep at it. Gotta run.
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19:37<alexrelis>Do you guys recommend snapper or timeshift?
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20:39<Guest6323>hi there
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21:22<tuxd3v>hello guys, I have too many disks in /dev that doesn't exist :/
21:22<tuxd3v>debian 11
21:23<enigma9o7[m]>oh noes! i'd try the 3 monkey solution
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21:23<tuxd3v>https://paste.debian.net/1220146/
21:23<tuxd3v>how do I remove them?
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21:30<enigma9o7[m]>well, even ghandi knew the power of the three wise monkeys. in otherwords, just pretend you dont see it,then it wont matter any more.
21:33<enigma9o7[m]>🙈 🙉 🙊
21:34<alexrelis>tuxd3v: listen to enigma9o7. The power of the three wise monkeys are within you. Let it be.
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21:35<enigma9o7[m]>oh sorry
21:35<enigma9o7[m]>i will
21:35<tuxd3v>:D
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21:36<tuxd3v>I don't know if its systemd that creates this mknods, suposedly it should be evdev..crazy
21:36<dvs>tuxd3v: how to get rid of them? Unplug the devices?
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21:36<tuxd3v>ho and this after a boot up
21:36<tuxd3v>no.. I don't have those devices
21:37<tuxd3v>they don't exist phisically
21:37<dvs>lsblk -f can give more of a hint.
21:37<alexrelis>tuxd3v still has a 3.5 inch floppy drive on his system.
21:38<dvs>O_O
21:39<tuxd3v>alexrelis, now that you talk about it... I don't really know if the system is confuse.. :D
21:39<tuxd3v>I do have a scsi sd card reader
21:39<tuxd3v>but is empty
21:40<enigma9o7[m]>i have a scsci dat drive
21:40<enigma9o7[m]>also empty
21:40<enigma9o7[m]>but i could bust out some 1GB tapes from 1991 with all the latest warez
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21:40<tuxd3v>:D no no, I mean the slots are empty :)
21:42<enigma9o7[m]>I not only have 3.5" floppy, i got 5.25"
21:43<dvs>tuxd3v: that's exactly where those drives come from
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21:43<alexrelis>Even though they're empty, they still appear in /dev/. This is normal.
21:43<tuxd3v>as sd* devices ?
21:43<alexrelis>My DVD-ROM drive shows under dev, even though I don't have a disc playing.
21:43*dvs clicks on enigma9o7[m] 's save icon
21:43<tuxd3v>usually sd is for sata devices
21:44<dvs>tuxd3v: yup
21:45<tuxd3v>humm, I think I have discovered one... the CDROM :/
21:45<enigma9o7[m]>https://i.imgur.com/P0ufBwq.jpg
21:45<tuxd3v>it has a sata to ide adapter..
21:45<enigma9o7[m]>well i have cdrom, cdrw, and dvdrom
21:45<enigma9o7[m]>all seperate drives
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21:48<alexrelis>Holy cow, I need a setup like that.
21:49<enigma9o7[m]>that pictured machine also has the first amd64 cpu (athlon64)
21:49<tuxd3v>alexrelis, yeah enigma9o7[m] is prepared for judgment day's on terminator movie :)
21:50<dvs>immune to EMP
21:50*dvs looks for the modem
21:50<enigma9o7[m]>exgternal
21:50<enigma9o7[m]>usrobotics hst dual speed baby
21:50<enigma9o7[m]>got the 16550 inside
21:51<alexrelis>Is that your daily driver?
21:51<enigma9o7[m]>Nah, its setup for my young kids to play games and watch videos.
21:51<enigma9o7[m]>I use a 2010 laptop as daily driver ;)
21:52<enigma9o7[m]>http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-619862d9e5bd77.69483012.png
21:52<enigma9o7[m]>thats me
21:52<dvs>dual speed... ah the days of multiple standards
21:52<enigma9o7[m]>(i do have other machines running pure debian)
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21:53<dvs>uh huh...
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21:54<tuxd3v>enigma9o7[m], that's anice machine core i7 with 8GB RAM
21:55<alexrelis>Not bad.
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21:55<alexrelis>I have a Thinkpad X200 from 2008 and a System76 Galago Pro from 2020.
21:57<tuxd3v>I have here a xeon L5430 adapted for LGA 775 :)
21:57<tuxd3v>the problem is only 4 GB Ram ddr2 800Mhz
21:58<tuxd3v>socket 771 can be adapted with some good work to 775 ;)
21:59<enigma_p4>https://i.imgur.com/l57WWTl.jpg
21:59<tuxd3v>and so I passed from a core2duo to a 4 core xeon :)
21:59<dvs>never heard of a 771
21:59<enigma_p4>I got some older hardware.
21:59<dvs>ah xeon
21:59<tuxd3v>yeah
21:59<tuxd3v>its a xeon with a socket that can be adapted to lga 775, which I did and it works
21:59<tuxd3v>it gives a nice punch to the machine
22:00<dvs>I had a Core 2 Quad Q9400 until last year.
22:00<tuxd3v>now the problem is the ram
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22:00<tuxd3v>ddr2 800Mhz very dificult to find..
22:00<tuxd3v>I would love to get 2 sticks
22:00<tuxd3v>2*4GB each
22:00<tuxd3v>its the maximum that the MB supports..
22:01<enigma_p4>Unless you're running VMs or something, 8GB is plenty anyway.
22:01<tuxd3v>yeah, but I only have right now 4GB :/
22:01<tuxd3v>it swaps all the time :D
22:03<dvs>tuxd3v: get an SSD for it! ;-)
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22:03<enigma_p4>that is actually the biggest speed improvement i've doine to my p4; a $20 128GB SSD
22:03<enigma_p4>turned it from slow noisy thing to fast thing
22:03<enigma_p4>noisey cuz the 40gb ide drive used to make a friggen lot of noise every time you lcicked on anything
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22:04<tuxd3v>now, I wanted to test mesa last release 21.3
22:05<tuxd3v>enigma_p4, agree, I also have a 128GB SSD on it, its pretty fast
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22:05<tuxd3v>A video about the mod I have done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9mA7J_YSZs
22:06<tuxd3v>its exactly what I have done
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22:09<tuxd3v>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSYVkit0-nY
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22:27<tuxd3v>I think I will compile Clover from mesa 21.3
22:27<tuxd3v>to know if it already reports opencl 1.2
22:28<tuxd3v>with mesa 20.3.5 it reports opencl 1.1 :/
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22:39<tuxd3v>alexrelis, enigma_p4 , you were right.. it detects my sdcard reader and creates 4 sata disk nodes:https://paste.debian.net/1220151/
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