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00:32<troethe>Why does `apt install package && apt remove package && apt autoremove` not get me back to the initial state?
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00:34<enigma9o7[m]>what makes you think it doesnt
00:34<enigma9o7[m]>and why not just `apt purge whatever`
00:34<themill>troethe: because there is an asymmetry in install vs remove: install installs packages where "recommends" or "depends" are listed. remove keeps packages where "suggests" are listed
00:34<enigma9o7[m]>ah shit this is irc i cant delete that msg earlier. ubt yeah. apt remove doesnt remove sconfig files.
00:34<enigma9o7[m]>you gotta like `apt purge` instead
00:35<themill>!suggestsimportant
00:35<dpkg>When considering if a package can be autoremoved, apt considers a Suggests relationship to be something that it should not break. Apt has no way of knowing if that suggestion is important to you or not. If you want apt to break Suggests relationships: "aptitude -o Apt::AutoRemove::SuggestsImportant=false remove". Be sure to read what it is planning.
00:36<troethe>Ahh thanks!
00:36<themill>unsatisified recommends in the initial state that then get satisfied by the install operation will have a similar effect
00:37<themill>soft dependencies (Recommends and Suggests) are awesome parts of Debian's packaging system... but with features comes complexity.
00:37<enigma9o7[m]>wow dkpg yer smart
00:37<enigma9o7[m]>apt is kinda magic awesome
00:38<troethe>themill: Is there then a canonical way to undo a `apt install`?
00:38<enigma9o7[m]>apt purge
00:38<enigma9o7[m]>but wait till themill answers cuz im probably wrong
00:39<themill>troethe: not really. Either look at /var/log/apt/history.log, use snapshots, use containers or use backups.
00:39<troethe>themill: Thanks. I am beginning to see the appeal of nixos.
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00:40<enigma9o7[m]>i keep hearing that bullshit left and right btw
00:40<enigma9o7[m]>what is wrong with apt i mjust starint to love it and everone like nix
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00:42<strugee>another reason that won't get you back to the initial state: postinstall scripts can do stuff and usually the postremoval scripts undo them but not always
00:43<strugee>dunno if there's anywhere where it's done that way on purpose, but there's always bugs if not!
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00:44<troethe>themill: But shouldn't apt maybe just mark packages that are installed as part of suggestions as 'manual'? Because the user more or less manually decided to get those packages? Then apt autoremove could ignore suggestions.
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00:45<themill>The issue is where the user doesn't know that they've satisfied some Suggests.
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00:46<troethe>themill: Maybe I worded that wrong. I meant that apt autoremove could then remove packages that are suggestions but marked as 'automatic'. Because then it knows that those suggestions where only installed "accidentaly"
00:46<themill>Today I install A but not its suggested package B. Tomorrow I install C which depends on B. I use A for the first time the day after and am happy that it all works nicely and unwittingly rely on features provided by A. I also try C and decide it is junk and remove it. Does B stay or go?
00:47<strugee>themill: s/features provided by A/features provided by B/?
00:47<themill>yeah, was about to say that
00:47<strugee>:P
00:47<troethe>themill: B should go, because when I installed A i didn't choose to install its suggestions.
00:48<themill>troethe: and then I'm sad because A broke and I don't know why.
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00:48<themill>It doesn't matter which decision apt makes about B, people will think it was the wrong decision.
00:48<troethe>themill: If A breaks because I removed B, it shouldnt be a suggestion, but a dependency
00:49<themill>no, suggests would be fine -- it's an enhancement to the features
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00:50<strugee>troethe: by "A breaks", that doesn't mean that the application won't run at all - just that a particular workflow is broken by the removal of certain features
00:50<themill>(the same situation can happen with recommends)
00:51<troethe>themill: Yea ok I can see how someone would see it that way
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00:51<strugee>tradeoffs!
00:53<themill>You then add in upgrades between releases and suggests/recommends/depends are added or removed, it becomes even more complicated.
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00:55<themill>Also add to the soft-dependencies, the need to be able to still function when the current set of packages is broken (because someone did dpkg -r --force-stuff on it, or because a maintainer script failed) and all the nice algorithms that you might have met about working with graphs and resolvers start to look a bit flaky.
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08:07<Woofie>hi
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08:09*Otter eats Woofie with some crab
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08:19<Sqrt{not}>hi Woofie
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08:22<enigma9o7[m]>wolf tastes gross
08:22<enigma9o7[m]>crab is ok
08:22<enigma9o7[m]>even regular dogs taste better than wolf
08:23<enigma9o7[m]>damnit irc channel my bad debian channel all bad cant eeven delete stuff sorry sorry ill leave
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08:26<crab>enigma_p4: ok?!
08:26<crab>im just ok?
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08:27<crab>oh maybe a different enigma... :|
08:27<abff>wow
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09:09<lechner>Hi, my Firefox stops working when I download a file. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks!
09:10<sussudio>what does that even mean
09:10<BCMM>lechner: what sort of "stops working"?
09:10<BCMM>e.g. does it freeze? does it close?
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09:12<lechner>BCMM: it freezes, shows a defunct process, and then starts another one which does not appear to do anything
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09:12<BCMM>have you tried running firefox from a terminal to see if it has any interesting stdout?
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09:24<lechner>BCMM: https://dpaste.org/v0BF
09:24<lechner>BCMM: I tried SIGCONT but had to INT
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09:36<mooff>my nvidia GPU crapped out last month, and i've been on integrated graphics since
09:37<mooff>when i try to use wine, it hangs. after Ctrl-c, it eventually prints this error: 00c4:err:winediag:nodrv_CreateWindow Application tried to create a window, but no driver could be loaded.
09:37<mooff>any ideas?
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09:44<sussudio>mooff: did you install the non-free firmware for your video
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10:10<Bo0Zz>Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/a9d239eba648205b89bd2923f17af213/pasted.txt
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10:11<Bo0Zz>how do i fix this?
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10:12<sussudio>,v wireplumber
10:12<judd>Package: wireplumber on amd64 -- bookworm: 0.4.5-1; sid: 0.4.5-1
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10:12<sussudio>!debian-next
10:12<dpkg>#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on libera.chat. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc
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10:16<Bo0Zz>thanks for your help
10:16<Bo0Zz>in advance
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10:18<mooff>sussudio: it's Intel integrated graphics. i thought it was baked into the kernel
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10:18<mooff>the nvidia GPU is still plugged in, the fans spin, etc, but my displays are connected to the mobo instead
10:18<mooff>the nvidia module is still loaded, heh
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10:31<mooff>i blacklisted the nvidia modules, now "lsmod | grep nvidia" is empty. the i915 driver is loaded
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10:34<Bo0Zz>you dont need the nvidia gpu?
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10:38<mooff>i'd love it, but it hangs the system. i think it's a hardware fault
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10:39<Bo0Zz>pull it out
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10:40<Bo0Zz>too much mining?
10:40<blast007>might also want to completely purge the nvidia drivers if you're not using it. https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Uninstallation
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10:42<mooff>doing that now
10:42<mooff>Bo0Zz: no ;)
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10:45<Bo0Zz>you dho0ulf remove the board from the system hence some update/upgrade might reinstall the drivers
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10:46<Bo0Zz>also energy efficiency
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10:54<sazamoracl>Hi All. I would like to install a kernel version from backports.
10:54<sazamoracl>It would be possible doing it considering that the backported nvidia-driver it is not ready yet ?
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10:57<Bo0Zz>i goy 1 amd carf to sell
10:58<Bo0Zz>exchange
11:00<Bo0Zz>forget about ever worrying about kernel updates again
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12:36<Tas-sos>Hello Debian GNU/Linux community o/
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12:37<Tas-sos>I have the EPSO L386 ( WiFi ) printer and I have install the linux drivers in my desktop and laptop
12:37<Tas-sos>from my Desktop I can do everything.. but from my laptop via WiFi I cannot do anything.. :-/
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12:38<Tas-sos>what can I do, in order to be able to also (at least) print from my laptop via WiFi to this printer ?
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12:39<Tas-sos>Desktop & Laptop runs on Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)
12:42<somiaj>What have you don on the desktop to make it work?
12:42<somiaj>I assume you just put in the IP address of the printer into CUPS and select the appropraite printer type (probably have to install the correct printer files)
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12:43<somiaj>One thing you can do to rule out a wifi issue, if you plug your laptop into a cable like your desktop does it just work?
12:43<Tas-sos>Ah! Sorry, my desktop is connected with printer via USB.. ^_^
12:44<Tas-sos>so, it's not the same..
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12:46<Tas-sos>I'm using GNOME, from my laptop I go to Settings -> Devices -> Printers and I was added something.. but doesn't work
12:47<somiaj>Ahh okay, yea that is different. Does this printer support ip printing, meaning you can just connect it to your wifi and setup an IP address you can just print to, and thus not need USB at all
12:47<somiaj>my printer does this, it is just an IP printer, so once it connects to the wifi I can just send it print jobs on that ip address
12:48<somiaj>If the printer doesn't support this, then you'll have to setup your desktop to share the printer to the network, and then you can have your laptop just send the print job to you desktop)
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12:56<Tas-sos>Oh! Greate!! I finally do it!! :-D
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12:57<Tas-sos>When I setup this printer, I connected to my router via WPS..
12:58<Tas-sos>So.. ( I don't know why but I cannot see its WiFi connection via routers WEB UI in order to find its IP addrees )
12:58<somiaj>Oh good, note that now that is on your network, there is no need to connect it to your desktop via usb, just use the network printing
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12:59<somiaj>anyways, I'm surprised you can't see the ip via your router, though most printers have an option to just print out its settings, which include the IP, which is what I use
12:59<Tas-sos>so.. I print ( with some printers buttons compination ) the printer configuration page
12:59<Tas-sos>there, I see the printers IPv4 address and from GNOME Settings --> Printers -> Networkd printer I put ther the IP address of the printer
13:00<somiaj>Yup, that should work just fine.
13:01<Tas-sos>after that.. GNOME compliens a bit because it is not able to find drivers ( it looks like a small bug here in UI ) but.. if I ignore that and wai
13:01<Tas-sos>wait*, it goes me in next page to finalize the setup
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13:01<Tas-sos>SO.. now I also printe the test page and also a page that I want :-) :-D
13:02<Tas-sos>So, I'm very happy and of course I appriciate your help! Thank you!! :-D
13:02<somiaj>I'm unsure on the gnome end, I just use CUPS web interface for this, and it doesn't try to auto detect drivers, I have to manually select them.
13:03<Tas-sos>somiaj: Yeah.. its weird that I cannot see the printer IP address from rourer page... :-/
13:03<Tas-sos>I don't know why... I can see all other WiFi connected devices, except the printer... :-|
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13:04<somiaj>does it use a static or dhcp?
13:04<somiaj>Anyways, that is another issue.
13:04<Tas-sos>yes its another issue..
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13:05<Tas-sos>but, for now I cannot change anything from my router settings.. so its from DHCP i ques..
13:06<Tas-sos>but.. I'm telling again, the pinter it was setuped via WPS for WiFi connection...
13:06<Tas-sos>I notice that, because I don't know if it means something.....
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13:08<somiaj>yea, unsure there, anyways if it is working, no need to track down minor issues there.
13:08<somiaj>IMO
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13:34<Tas-sos>Yes, but... I'm confused a bit because, I have a raspberry PI and today I also install the Pi-Hole on that raspberry PI and switch the DHCP from my router to this Raspberry PI
13:35<Tas-sos>in ordery to block ads & etc.. and now witch the printer have the IP address 192.168.2.28
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13:36<Tas-sos>after that, where PiHole ( Raspberry ) leverage the DHCP, and maybe set a different IP addresss for the printer
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13:36<Tas-sos>my configuration from laptop it doesn't work.. right ?
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14:54<ydbi>what's happening to firefox-esr in debian stable or even debian testing?
14:56<Sebastinas>People are working on getting it updated.
14:56<scorpion2185[m]>what's happening?
14:58<Sqrt{not}>https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/firefox-esr
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15:09<ydbi>https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/firefox-esr
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15:22<otisolsen70>What options do I have to make initramfs smaller? I am in the process of upgrading from debian 9 to debian 10, and apt full-upgrade fails in update-initramfs step with this error: Not enough space for initrd in MTD 'RootFS1' (need 4574712 but is actually 4194304) - full error: https://paste.yt/p17588.html
15:22<otisolsen70>I already added COMPRESS=xz to /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/compress
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15:24<sarnold>otisolsen70: how about the MODULES=dep step?
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15:25<otisolsen70>sarnold, I also have that
15:25<otisolsen70>I fear that I have bricked my device now. Because I am likely in a half upgraded state without a bootable system...
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15:25<otisolsen70>Hopefully, there is a way out..
15:26<otisolsen70>I have no I/O ports on this device so no option to install monitor or keyboard.
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15:37<otisolsen70>Hmm.... It seems that it simply cannot fit since I use RAID: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=890262;msg=16
15:37<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/890262 in flash-kernel (open): «flash-kernel: QNAP TS109, Not enough space for initrd in MTD»; severity: important; opened: 2018-02-12; last modified: 2019-09-11.
15:37<otisolsen70>:(
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15:40<sarnold>oh. :( ouch
15:40<otisolsen70>sarnold, I guess I should be able to at least not brick it if I download and flash th einstaller as described here, right? https://cyrius.com/debian/orion/qnap/ts-409/install/#download
15:41<otisolsen70>sarnold, that will wipe my system but at least leave it in a bootable state from which I can install debian 9, right?
15:41<otisolsen70>I can tolerate to wipe my system but would hate to brick the device
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15:42<sarnold>otisolsen70: I don't have any experience here -- that said, that plan sounds pretty reasonable to me
15:43<otisolsen70>sarnold, darn it, it faild. flash-debian: 21: flash-debian: getcfg: not found
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15:48<otisolsen70>sarnold, damnit those steps are only possible on the actual old qnap firmware and not in debian. "flash-debian" script does not work on debian :
15:48<otisolsen70>:`(
15:49<sarnold>otisolsen70: oh nooooo :/
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17:15<cp0m>Hello
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17:16<cp0m>i have a question regarding cups and the installation of an usb printer; Also regarding usblp
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17:16<cp0m>Can anyone help me there, please?
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17:18<sarnold>maybe? people do use printers..
17:19<cp0m>Currently, it looks like there is a problem with usblp
17:19<cp0m>When i run /usr/lib/cups/usb, i get "DEBUG: Failed to detach "usblp" on the usb bus address of my printer
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17:21<cp0m>i tried to find something useful, but i did not find anything for now. Also my knowledge isnt that big with printers and kernel modules, unfortunately
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17:32<Gerowen>Anybody know why certain fonts in the flatpak version of Firefox look totally aliased and jaggy? Some fonts look great, but some, like whatever Facebook uses, look horrible. Firefox ESR from Debian and Firefox from their own tarball doesn't have the issue, and I've seen something about it being something to do with flatpaks in general.
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17:33<cp0m>I now have remove usblp, blacklisted usblp and have rebootet the system. It is not active anymore, but its still not detachable
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17:36<Gerowen>So apparently my issue with fonts is a known issue, actively being discussed at least as of 9 hours ago: https://github.com/flatpak/flatpak/issues/4571
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17:40<g00se>I just installed openvpn server on a Debian laptop on my LAN as an experiment. I was expecting it to slow my Internet connection somewhat but was surprised to see it drop to about x 0.3. What kind of fraction would a commercial vpn be?
17:40*g00se guesses 0.8 and up but could be totally wrong
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18:04<cp0m>k, i wont get the printer running today, thats very uncool. For now, i have to print over a windows vm, very complicated. Have a good time!
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18:07<userT>I was using parted tool as root, and for some reason I made mistake and typed "parted version", instead of "parted --version". I got " Error: no such device "version". Retry? Continue? Cancel? "
18:07<userT>Typed Cancel
18:08<userT>Could this have made permanent damage to the file system, or anything else?
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18:08<cp0m>> Could this have made permanent damage to the file system, or anything else?
18:08<cp0m>id dont think so, your system should be fine
18:08<cp0m>it like when you never have run the command
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18:12<Sqrt{not}>cp0m, I don't know what your usblp program does,
18:13<Sqrt{not}>but in bullseye you should be able to print to usb printers using cups and driverless printing.
18:13<Sqrt{not}>see https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/ section 2.2.2
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18:14<cp0m>Thanks! I have upgraded the systems packages, i will reboot the system and un-blacklist usblp now, because the printer is now confusing my whole usb system
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18:16<userT>Really?
18:16<Sqrt{not}>cp0m, I still don't know what is usblp? is that some vendor program, I don't see it in debian
18:17<cp0m>i also dont know what it is, its an kernel module: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/usb/class/usblp.c
18:18<cp0m>Seems like it is invented for usb printers
18:18<cp0m>Using Linux 5.10.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.46-4 (2021-08-03)
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18:18<Sqrt{not}>AHhh, OK, I see it in the modules.
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18:19<cp0m>So it looks like its correct, but maybe its not correctly working with cups, arch has a cups-usblp package for this. Maybe usblp is not compatible with cups at the moment ?
18:20<cp0m>i am back in a few minutes, will reboot for the latest kernel
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18:20<Sqrt{not}>cp0m, I use the cups driverless over ethernet here, and it works great. I've see other user report that the cups driverless usb printing "just works" for them. I would suggest trying to get it to work without dragging in things from other distros
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18:23<Sqrt{not}>cp0m, I use the cups driverless over ethernet here, and it works great. I've see other user report that the cups driverless usb printing "just works" for them. I would suggest trying to get it to work without dragging in things from other distros
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18:23<Sqrt{not}>cp0m, are you running debian 11, bullseye, there?
18:24<cp0m>yep
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18:25<Sqrt{not}>Good, it should co-operate with you.
18:25<cp0m>i am not using packages from other distros. Personally, i dont like to use packages from other versions or distros, too
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18:25<userT>Is Gparted in Debian able to handle LVM as well?
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18:26<knghtbrd>userT: define "handle"?
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18:26<cp0m>my printer does not have ethernet, because i only wanted a very simple printer, so it only has usb. Now, the printer does not get recognized anymore via lsusb. Also, lsusb uses a long time after the first time of plugging the printer in
18:26<userT>Delete, resize LVM partitions
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18:27<knghtbrd>userT: Nope.
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18:27<userT>Then why do other sites (stackoverflow, superuser, etc) say yes?
18:28<knghtbrd>userT: if you have them, it won't mangle them.
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18:28<knghtbrd>But gparted doesn't see either of my VGs
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18:29<userT>Then how can I resize (increase size in this case) LVM2 partition?
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18:31<knghtbrd>I always use the LVM commands for that
18:31<knghtbrd>gparted CAN grow a PV
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18:33<Sqrt{not}>cp0m, cups depends on several avahi things, but only recommends package avahi-daemon ... some people reported improvement after installing that
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18:33<userT>knghtbrd: how would you successfully increase an LVM volume/partition using the LVM commands?
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18:34<cp0m>Sqrt{not}: Thank your for your Help! I will troubleshoot that further tomorrow, its late in germany. Meanwhile, i got the printer running again, its getting recognized by lsusb again. On the other hand, i logged my syslog, which may be interesting, because also the kde-printer dialog does recognize the printer but fails in displaying it: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/c13a9897/
18:34<cp0m>avahi-daemon is installed
18:34<knghtbrd>userT: what's your current partition layout, and what're you trying to do? (so are you making a partition bigger, adding a new partition and/or drive, etc?)
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18:36<Sqrt{not}>cp0m, did you install some drivers from HP? that might be conflicting, if so.
18:36<cp0m>yep, i installed the drivers on hps website, also hplip and hp-pdd and hplip-pdds
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18:37<cp0m>*hpijs-pdds
18:38<userT>knghtbrd: can't remember well current layout right now... only know that I need to increase data LVM from 100 Gb to 250 Gb
18:38<Sqrt{not}>cp0m, yah, I see that in your logs. That may be competing with the cups stuff. I don't have experience with those things, like I said I'm on driverless ethernet here.
18:39<cp0m>sqrt{not}: uninstalling these hp packages does only lead to a hpfax-empty syslog on calling the kde-printer dialog, but still no usb printer detected
18:39<Sqrt{not}>cp0m, You might be able to make it work with HP's own things, and you might be able to make it work with the cups USB driverless. But if you have some of both, they may be fighting each other.
18:39<knghtbrd>userT: in a root terminal (sudo su -), run: (lsblk; pvs; vgs; lvs) | nc termbin.com 9999
18:40<knghtbrd>userT: the () makes it treat the output of those commands as one unit. nc termbin.com 9999 sends it to a pastebin.
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18:41<Sqrt{not}>cp0m, I never used the KDE printing framework. I just interact with cups itself on its web interface, localhost:631
18:41<Sqrt{not}>(via a browser)
18:41<knghtbrd>userT: Those commands list your block devices, and a short summary of your LVM setup in terms of PVs, VGs, and LVs.
18:42<cp0m>sqrt{not}, as the system logs tells me, that is absolutely correct. At least, hp isnt configuring my printer anymore, because the udev cmd is resulting into an 127 exit code. Now, on pluggin the printer in, the usb-ipp service is starting and "usblp3: removed" is logged after that. maybe usb-ipp and usblp is now conflicting
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18:43<cp0m>sqrt{not}
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18:44<cp0m>We have won! The printer is now recognized as a usb printer. I have uninstalled all hp packages including ipp-usb cups-pk-helper gir1.2-secret-1 hplip-data libhpmud0 libsane-hpaio printer-driver-hpcups printer-driver-hpijs printer-driver-postscript-hp
18:44<Sqrt{not}>cp0m, OK, very good! \o/
18:45<userT>knghtbrd: whoa, didn't know about termbin and nc command... What's the 9999 for?
18:45<knghtbrd>userT: port
18:46<knghtbrd>termbin.com takes a new paste on termbin.com:9999 and spits out a URL to that paste
18:46<cp0m>k, now there is the old error with "filter failed"
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18:46<cp0m>but this is also from the hp install script, because its setting up special filters
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18:46<cp0m>i think, if i just "uninstall" the hp-script things, it might work again
18:46<knghtbrd>cp0m: FWIW if you're using usblp, you don't need anything from HP
18:48<Sqrt{not}>cp0m, I don't think "ipp-usb" is from HP, you might want to keep that one.
18:49<cp0m>uninstalling this package helped (but maybe because the dependencies of hp werent fullfiled anymore, so they got uninstalled, too), however, because i dont have to use ipp for printers atm, i can live without it.
18:49<knghtbrd>userT: BRB, go ahead and paste your termbin URL and I'll look when I get back
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19:03<cp0m>sqrt{not}: Currently the printer responds on a "ping", but after that, i get the syslog message "usblp3: removed". But this seems to be a general problem, maybe i get this working today. Thank you! You helped me alot! Have a nice day! :)
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