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02:54<Cork>is there any mirror one could still install debian 8.11 from? (need to test an upgrade before doing it in prouction)
02:55<grawity>deb http://archive.debian.org/debian
02:55<Cork>thx!
02:55<grawity>there's a full list at https://www.debian.org/distrib/archive
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02:56<Cork>interesting, was looking on mirror/list before
02:57<Cork>thx for the help
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02:59<Cork>hmm it seams to have been removed from archive too...
02:59<Cork>(at least the package installation fails)
03:00<somiaj>Cork: what package are you looking for?
03:00<grawity>I wonder if it has something to do with the package signing keys expiring
03:01<Cork>somiaj: i'm looking to make a full debian 8.11 install (to then inport some live data and try a full upgrade)
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03:01<somiaj>I might be confused on what 'it' is, that seems to have been removed
03:02<Cork>somiaj: giving archive.debian.org as mirror on the installation media failes when goign to "select and install software"
03:02*Cork afk
03:02<somiaj>then as grawity pointed out, might need to update the apt key
03:03<somiaj>There is a way to disable the signing check I belive.
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03:32<handsome_feng>Hi, does anyone know how Debian generates the full list of packages? (I know Ubuntu is using Germinate)
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03:42<jm_>for a repository?
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03:43<jm_>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Setup has notes and links
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03:55<handsome_feng>jm_: No, for a iso
03:56<handsome_feng>s/a/an/g
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03:59<handsome_feng>Do you know how Debian generates the iso file? and which project controls the list of package installed by default in the final iso?
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04:04<jm_>handsome_feng: for that I think you want to look at jigdo
04:07<handsome_feng>emm, it seems like a download tool
04:09<handsome_feng>Looks like this: https://salsa.debian.org/images-team/package-lists
04:09<handsome_feng>and this: https://salsa.debian.org/images-team/debian-cd
04:09<handsome_feng>Thanks a lot, :)
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04:12<Rohambili>Hey Hello People! Can i get some help or tutorial how to share ipv6 connection in debian11 ? and how to setup dhcpv6
04:12<Rohambili>I think what i find (howto's) is all outdated or i dont know, but im stuck.
04:12<Rohambili>I can manage ipv4 connection sharing with firewalld and setup dhcp on my lan network.
04:12<Rohambili>BTW i have PPPOE connection
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04:15<Anarka>Rohambili: check https://wiki.debian.org/IPv6PrefixDelegation
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04:19<Rohambili>Anarka in the tutorial says : iface enp1s0 inet6 dhcp request_prefix 1 I need to change to pppoe0 or whatewer its called the pppoe connection in ip addr
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04:29<tizef>hi, i want to install https://salsa.debian.org/debian/yt-dlp advicable ?
04:30<tizef>is it advicable
04:31<tizef>i dont know salsa
04:32<Rohambili>you need to dipp in the tortillas personaly i love the guacamole salsa :D
04:33<tizef>i see
04:33<Rohambili>sorry cant miss that :D
04:33<tizef>and i like it
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04:38<somiaj>,v yt-dlp
04:38<judd>Package: yt-dlp on amd64 -- bullseye-multimedia: 2021.11.10.1-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 2021.11.10.1-dmo1
04:38<somiaj>tizef: looks like you'll have to build and make your own package
04:40<tizef>i donno this
04:40<tizef>i have this wget https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/releases/latest/download/yt-dlp -O /usr/local/bin/yt-dlp
04:40<tizef>not ok ?
04:43<tizef>i don't know much about build
04:43<jm_>that's up to you to decide, not us
04:45<tizef>also i started a new kind of dvorak, bépo... so i don't feel good at typing those days
04:47<XileX>Like already said, you decide. If you have user folders in your $PATH, you could use them instead. For example ~/.local/bin/ might already be there
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04:50<tizef>well thanks
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06:13<tizef>sorry but i feel very frustrated by my change of layout...
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06:14<tizef>it been so many years now i am using qwerty
06:16<tizef>so for now i don't feel confortable to learn how to build
06:17<tizef>i appreciate your suggestion
06:18<tizef>see how i type so slowly
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07:20<Cork>somiaj: do you know how one can do that on the install cd? /etc/apt doesn't exist
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07:32<jm_>try booting with «d-i debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated boolean true»
07:32<jm_>or probably without the d-i part
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07:49<Cork>jm_: didn't help sadly
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07:52<jm_>Cork: have you checked tty3/4 for exact failure?
07:53<Cork>jm_: tty2 only says "Please press Enter to active this console."
07:54<grawity>jm_: where does one put that setting
07:54<Cork>grawity: in grub
07:54<grawity>looks very unlike kernel cmdline options, and a bit like debconf input, but I'm not sure if you can pass that through kernel cmdline
07:55<Cork>it didn't complain when i ran it so... :D
07:55<grawity>or does the installer actually recognize that?
07:55<jm_>grawity: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch05s03.html.en says it can be kernel line
07:55<jm_>so it should recognize it even with useless boolean true added
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07:56<grawity>ah so probably as "debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true" then
07:56<jm_>let me see if current version still says that
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07:57<jm_>yeah it does
07:58<jm_>Cork: tty2 is shell, tty3/4 is where d-i prints info
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07:58<Cork>ah, tty 2 and 3 was the same message to never checked 4
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07:59<Cork>package cannot be authenticated
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08:00<jm_>sounds like that setting should work
08:01<Cork>trying your last line now
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08:03<Cork>huh... the installer skips a lot of dialogs with that entry...
08:04<Cork>(ex. utc as a timezone option is gone...)
08:04<Cork>oh, well can fix that later
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08:18<Cork>the seams to work a lot better, it complains of me running the wrong version of the cd so inprovements!
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08:35<Cork>jm_: last example with =true works
08:36<Cork>apparently i used the 8.10 mini cd instead of 8.11 so had to switch that. There after it worked perfectly
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08:39<jm_>good
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08:51<lxsameer>hey folks, where can I find the python3-apt repo
08:53<themill>lxsameer: can you expand on that? what are you looking for?
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08:55<lxsameer>themill: i'm looking for the a vcs repository that contains the source for python3-apt package
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08:56<grawity>I think `apt source python3-apt` tells you if there is one?
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09:00<prahal>my ups nut status is OL LB (low battery while charged ? ) but snmp shows me "charge" at 100% . Does it mean my battery is fully charged but still low ? That is I ought to replace the battery (I had the replace battery error a few days ago but then it vanished after powering off the UPS an hour
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09:02<grawity>what battery voltage does it report, and is it the expected voltage for 100% charged battery?
09:02<prahal>as the replace battery error could also mean "the battery have to be recharged" I am still wondering if I really need to replace the battery
09:03<prahal>upsc shows battery voltage at 13,7
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09:04<prahal>snmp history (LibreNMS) shows me the battery voltage was 13,7 until more than a year now
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09:07<prahal>grawity: from what I am reading battery voltage under charge ought to always be above 13
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09:08<prahal>but I cannot find out if when replace battery status is on its voltage should vary
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09:19<prahal>well one clue I just noticed from snmp is that remaining time goes from 30 minutes before I had the replace battery error to 2 minutes nowadays ... I clue I am good for a replace battery
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09:53<pc>hi
09:54<pc>can i ask question
09:54<pc>D i d u s a t r a i n & s u p pl y i s i s wi th w e a p o n s l i k e i t d i d w i t h a l q a e d a to j u st i f y c r e a t i n g w a r s > > C R E A T I V E C H O A S
09:54<pc>d i d c i a d i d 9 1 1 or i t j u s t l e t it h a p p en
09:54<pc>if a l q a e d a di d it w h y t o k i l l 9 m i l l i on i r a q i s
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09:57<Rohambili_>sure
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09:57<pc>d i d c i a d i d 9 1 1 or i t j u s t l e t it h a p p en
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12:07<knghtbrd>!ops a kick is not sufficient here
12:07<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: knghtbrd complains about a problem (see above)
12:08<LoRez>bans aren't going to work so well if they keep bouncing off different addresses.
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12:11<knghtbrd>I realize on the modern internet bans are basically impossible … but using this channel is basically impossible if they're gonna keep coming back and flooding it every few minutes
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12:12<knghtbrd>ah, it's later than I thought, maybe already resolved at the network level
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12:13<sney>/ban pc!smuxi@*.* would work for that one
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12:13<sney>but yeah it's been >1 hour, maybe they got tired.
12:14<Noisytoot>pc!~pc@* would also be required, as they connected using the ident '~pc' at least once
12:14<LoRez>Those sorts seem to never get tired.
12:14<knghtbrd>Probably set up a bot anyway
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17:02<knghtbrd>^^ our spammer, I think.
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17:16<g00se> I configured OpenVPN on a Bullseye VPS. It runs like a sick dog :( What kind of setup do I need to run a decent OpenVPN server?
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17:36<sussudio>no, that spammer was from egypt, so probably mirwan the impotent again.
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17:42<enyc>hrrm debian sid Thunderbird 91 finally appeared across arches
17:42*enyc un[ * Otter sprays enyc with the water bottle ]'s
17:42<enyc>my debian bullseye11 xfce has screensaver not working ;-(
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18:22<spawacz>is there an equivalent of sort | head -n1 to print out the smallest value without sorting the entire set?
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18:28<g00se>How would it know the smallest value without sorting all of it?
18:28<sarnold>read every line; compare against the smallest; output whatever is smallest at the end
18:29<g00se>Yes, you could do that. It would be less expensive
18:30<sarnold>this webpage is annoying but it looks like the best of the easy candidates http://www.d0wn.com/using-awk-to-display-the-min-the-max-and-the-average-of-a-list/
18:30<sarnold>my own awk wasn't up to the task, I figured it'd be easy, but getting started is hard :/
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18:36<g00se>min=99999999999;while read val;do [[ $val -lt $min ]] && min=$val;done<vals
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19:25<userT>Hello. Just here trying irssi client for first time...
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19:29<sarnold>userT: hi
19:29<sarnold>hi userT
19:30<userT>Oh
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19:34<userT>Long live the 90s
19:35<sarnold>:)
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19:36<userT>(And I'm *technically* a millenial...)
19:37<userT>(Or post?)
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19:43<FLHerne>Depends which of the incompatible definitions you use
19:44<userT>Incompatible between them, you mean?
19:45<somiaj>!chat
19:45<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic or #moocows; or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/
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19:46<somiaj>just so you know, most channels on IRC try to stick to the topic at hand, and this channel's topic is debian support. Feel free to try some of the other more social channels if that is what you are looking for.
19:46<userT>Ohh, the offtopic channel. Thanks, and I'm sorry.
19:47<somiaj>No problem, just like to point people in the right direction.
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19:48<userT>Can I ask here for a bit of help regarding curl command and a website?
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19:48<sarnold>yeah
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20:02<userT>I'm trying to curl this https://gitlab.com/librewolf-community/browser/appimage/-/releases , to get latest download link for the appimage.
20:02<userT>Problem is, within whole curl output none of the download links appear. I try "grep .AppImage", or "grep -i tar.bz2"... nothing
20:02<userT>Looks as if "page" showing actual download links was actually a "sub-page" different from the URL I'm trying...
20:02<sarnold>userT: quite a lot of gitlab pages are generated by client-side javascript
20:03<sarnold>userT: it's entirely possible that the links you want are similar
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20:11<userT>sarnold: by client-side javascript? From the browser on my side?
20:14<sarnold>userT: yeah
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20:15<userT>Ouch...
20:16<sarnold>userT: it's not all bad news, you can probably use the browser inspector to figure out what requests they're making, it might just pop back structured data in a json blob or something that is even easier to parse than html
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20:20<userT>Ouch, I don't know how to use the browser inspector... I mean, I more or less know what it is, but have never actually used it for something...
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20:30<sarnold>userT: with the caveat that I'm no "web guy".. try loading up https://gitlab.com/librewolf-community/browser/appimage/-/releases in firefox, hit f12, switch to the network tab, hit reload; look for the POST requests to graphql; check the request and response tabs on the right pane...
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20:30<sarnold>userT: you can right-click on the 'graphql' line and there's a few different Copy> commands -- copy as curl looks very useful
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20:33<anix>why does mozilla keep fiddling with firefox?
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20:34<anix>nvm, is this now the "official" debian support channel since the freenode disaster?
20:35<raven523>it always was even before freenode got freenoded
20:35<alex11>oftc has been official for years
20:35<sney>!debian irc
20:35<dpkg>The offical Debian IRC network is OFTC (irc.oftc.net). Please connect to OFTC for debian support and development communities. See https://wiki.debian.org/IRC for a list of channels. See also <oftc>, <oftc move>, and <libera>.
20:35<sney>since 2006
20:37<anix>I know oftc has been the IRC for debian project activity for a long time, but generally the freenode
20:37<anix>#debian was alot busier than this oftc #debian
20:38<Sqrt{not}>freenode is history now.
20:39<dvs>Sqrt{not}: nah, it still "lives"
20:40<cowboypenguin>anix: I think a lot of folks moved to libera.chat's #debian channel.
20:41<Sqrt{not}>737 in libera:#debian right now, 941 here
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20:43<userT>sarnold: uff... it gave an entire big block of code...
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20:44<anix>do people prefer the freenode/libera #debian because that's what their IRC client are setup for or something?
20:44<userT>sarnold: look, what I looked for is, trying to curl the URL where I think download link is, and use grep to filter and get it in just text format.
20:44<sney>people go to libera #debian because they're on libera for other reasons, generally
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20:46<userT>I think because the "former" Freenode was the de facto "big hub" for all/most of open source or GNU communities.
20:46<userT>Now they all just moved to Libera
20:46<sney>yes generally
20:46<anix>sney: yes, thats what I figured...
20:46<sarnold>userT: if you store that big curl blog to a file...
20:46<sarnold>sh t | gron | grep -e '.assets.sources.nodes[\d].url'
20:49<userT>"gron" command?
20:50<Sqrt{not}>,i gron
20:50<judd>Package gron (utils, optional) in bullseye/amd64: tool to transform JSON into discrete, greppable assignments. Version: 0.6.1-1+b5; Size: 1639.0k; Installed: 5175k; Homepage: https://github.com/tomnomnom/gron
20:51<sarnold>I find gron a thousand times easier than jq
20:51<sarnold>but your milage may vary :)
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20:56<userT>Sorry, returned nothing...
20:58<sarnold>:(
20:58<sarnold>oh, hah, now mine returns nothing as well
20:59<sarnold>I wonder if they expire a token in that thing periodically
20:59<sarnold>which would make it much less friendly :(
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21:01<userT>I wonder if curl actually works better for mostly "text" webpages, and no javascript...
21:03<sarnold>more complicated tasks do tend to require more complicated tools
21:03<sarnold>https://www.postman.com/downloads/ is popular among folks who need to do web api things often
21:04<userT>Oh, so global issue I'm currently experimenting is having actually *expected* difficulties?
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21:09<sarnold>userT: yeah, I think this is just what it looks like to scrape data from services.. here's something that worked for me a few seconds ago https://termbin.com/qjwc
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21:15<xellophane>I'm having some trouble troubleshooting either an issue with I think my keyboard. If I move the mouse cursor while clicking, keyboard inputs won't be read by certain programs. It's a large program stack so I'm not sure where to start looking to unwind this little knot.
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21:19<xellophane>The only things I see related to the two items are in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but it doesn't populate when I trigger the behaviour so it's not getting logged there.
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21:20<userT>Excuse me, what does the 't' "parameter" mean in commands? Examples: "sh t", "cat t"...
21:20<raven523>it depends on the commands
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21:23<sarnold>userT: that's just the name I gave my stupid little shell script
21:23<sarnold>userT: it's (a) kinda like your name (b) very short :)
21:23<userT>Oohhh
21:23<userT>Thanks sir.
21:24<sarnold>xellophane: jeeze that doesn't sound like fun thing to track down. xev would be my starting point, but I honestly don't know if it's remotely useful for a problem that complicated
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21:26<xellophane>sarnold: xev is a starting point. This last little bug is really the only thing keeping me from jumping onboard linux full time. So I'd be happy to squash it :D
21:26*sarnold hands over the Big Squshing Hammer
21:27<sarnold>xellophane: maybe libinput debug-events ? that's a few decades newer than xev
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21:35<xellophane>I'll try with xev first, even if it's old it'll tell me if the event is being sent and just ignored, or not sent at all. Which is something
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21:50<xellophane>although finding the window id is being a pain. I'll keep plinking at it.
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21:50<sarnold>hmm that's more advanced use of xev than I've done :)
21:51<sarnold>you can use xwininfo to get the window id
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21:51<sarnold>though the last time I used that it was to grab firefox screenshots with xwd and that didn't work :(
21:51<sarnold>probably a stupid X server grab broke that..
21:52<xellophane>Ah, wasn't expecting the id to look like that. TIL
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21:56<xellophane>Ok, very much not a computer scientist, but should mouse movement be doing Keymap Notify ?
21:57<xellophane>And question answered, At the very least, the xwindow is seeing the events. So then the program isn't doing something with them. Ew.
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22:04<xellophane>Huh, I think I got it solved. Gotta love WINE weirdness
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22:08<sarnold>woot!
22:08<sarnold>what was it?
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22:12<xellophane>Wine version. Part of the reason I didn't know where to start unwinding that knot. Wine makes everything weird sometimes.
22:13<sarnold>yeah, it's a gigantic make-everything-complicated tool
22:13<sarnold>amazing stuff, I'm stunned it works well enough to use :)
22:15<xellophane>Ha! And then you start throwing things like Lutris and proton on top of it and it just gets opaque.
22:15<xellophane>But yea, it works, so I'm happy for now ^.^
22:16<xellophane>Thank you for pointing me a xev though, it got me going.
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22:21<sarnold>nice nice :)
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23:56<coc0nut>is it best to use cups for network printers? I have a hp envy printer, cant find it natively in cups
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