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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-11-27

---Logopened Sat Nov 27 00:00:21 2021
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00:04<nighthawk>for what it's worth Gerowen, it might be worth trying the xorg end of stuff a try. From my understanding of it, it's much more and better supported than what Wayland would be at this point of time
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01:03<nighthawk>does anyone here have much knowledge of celluloid?
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01:05<nighthawk>I seem to have a slight issue with version 0.22 on my system here
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01:31<stuckinthisircclient>hello, i'm looking to install debian bullseye as a replacement for manjaro on my linux/windows 10 dual-boot setup and i've got a couple questions to make sure i don't mess it up. first, how do i prevent the installer from messing with win10? best guess is to instruct it to not use and keep the data on the win10 partitions. second, do i need to format my efi partition or can i leave it as-is?
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01:36<nighthawk>are you using a single hard drive or using different drives for windows 10 and the debian installation?
01:37<stuckinthisircclient>one of my drives has both operating systems
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01:41<nighthawk>in that case I believe you got to be setting up the hard drive partitions from Windows 10 to start with, before installing debian
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01:42<stuckinthisircclient>clarification: windows 10 and manjaro are both already installed
01:43<blast007>stuckinthisircclient: back up anything important in case things go wrong
01:43<stuckinthisircclient>i have
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01:44<nighthawk>are you hoping to keep the manjaro at all?
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01:44<stuckinthisircclient>nope, i plan to replace it
01:45<stuckinthisircclient>i do, however, plan to keep the /home partition from manjaro - i'm pretty sure i can just point the installer at it
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01:47<nighthawk>is the home directory on a different partition of the hard drive?
01:48<stuckinthisircclient>yes - i believe i can instruct the installer to mount it as /home and keep the data
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01:52<stuckinthisircclient>gonna have to log off soon, might take it to the debian user forums
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01:59<nighthawk>as far as I can thin of, you should be able to tell it to override the manjario drive
01:59<nighthawk>but you really should make sure everything is backed up from linux, as well as windows firs
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08:50<RaoAneeq>HYE
08:51<RaoAneeq>HOW INSTALL DEV C
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08:54<sussudio>yes this is dog?
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10:42<joeDoe>purple-matrix doesn't appear to be packaged for Debian, and yet, I found this bug comment from earlier this month which suggests there IS a package, but that it may get removed. Is it possible that it could have already been removed from the repos? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=998660#5
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10:53<joeDoe>I mean, if it's already packaged, why remove it? I can see that maybe it won't be in future releases, but if it's already released, why remove it?
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11:08<linuxbee>hi,
11:09<linuxbee>how can I install squid on debian 11 ?
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11:11<linuxbee>need guidance about squid.
11:12<bentham>linuxbee: What effort have you made to find and use the documentation? What went wrong when you did?
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11:13<bentham>(I know almost nothing about squid, but answering those questions are more likely to result in a useful response.)
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11:15<Sqrt{not}>joeDoe, as hinted in the bug, only the source of purple-matrix is in debian [sid]
11:15<linuxbee>actually the y switch is confusing me i.e apt -y install squid
11:18<joeDoe>Sqrt{not}: ah, bummer. I hope it finds a new maintainer. Thanks for clarifying
11:18<bentham>linuxbee: Well, that is not related to squid. apt-get -y just means to answer 'yes' to interactive questions. Really not for use with apt; I'm surprised someone told you to do that.
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11:18<bentham>scripts should use apt-get instead.)
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11:21<linuxbee>yeah normally in Debian we use apt install package-name
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11:21<linuxbee>its is clear
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11:24<bentham>Yes, as far as I know, apt install squid should do what you want, and unless you're writing a non-interactive script, you won't lose anything by not having '-y'.
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11:26<linuxbee>thanks nice
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11:36<didi>How do I set umask for applications launched from GNOME? These doesn't seem to read ~/.profile nor ~/.bashrc.
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11:49<Sqrt{not}>didi, they might know more in #debian-gnome on this server
11:55<wyre_>is ipv6 enabled by default? or should I set it up at /etc/network/interfaces?
11:55<didi>Thank you, Sqrt{not}.
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11:59<Soni>the need for a whole gvim for clipboard support, and not working over SSH, kinda suck. any way to add clipboard support to terminal emulators instead?
12:00<freq>Soni: it's built into x11
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12:00<freq>control + shift + c
12:00<somiaj>wyre_: enabled by default, though I don't think configured, you'll have to add appropriate lines to interfaces file if that is the method you choose for your interfaces
12:00<freq>and
12:00<freq>control + shift + v
12:00<Soni>any way to add clipboard support to the tty interface?
12:01<somiaj>Soni: just select the text you want to copy then hit middle mouse button to paste it, works in almost all terminals and most xorg apps
12:01<freq>screenbuffer with mouse pointer
12:01<Soni>any way to not be ignored when talking about UX?
12:01<freq>somiaj has a better idea lol
12:01<wyre_>somiaj, and should I disable it explicitly? Is the system safe whit ipv6 enabled but unconfigured?
12:01<freq>didn't know that!
12:01<somiaj>Soni: gpm, though I forget how to share it with your xorg clipboard
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12:02<freq>heh
12:02<somiaj>wyre_: You shouldn't need to disable it, if you aren't using it, just don't configure it, you'll be just fine
12:02<somiaj>outside of localhost there shouldn't be anything configured
12:02<freq>i went a while without middle click. had a ball mouse
12:02<wyre_>thank you somiaj 😊
12:02<somiaj>there is an emulate middle mouse click by hitting two mouse buttons option in xorg too
12:03<freq>that didn't seem to work on that mouse
12:04<somiaj>You have to configure that option, it isn't enabled by default
12:05<freq>ah ok
12:05<freq>i installed crunchbang ++ recently
12:06<freq>it's really just as good as the original
12:06<freq>but i spend most of my time on raspbian
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12:07<freq>look at this old post: http://kraaima.com/pibang-crunchbang-for-the-raspberry-pi/
12:08<freq>https://www.crunchbangplusplus.org/
12:08<freq>it wouldn't take much to port that to raspbian and make an image
12:08<freq>and the scripts should work if all of the deps are there
12:09<Imporntant[info]>by hitting two mouse buttons can you sctool up and down?
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12:09<Imporntant[info]>scrool+
12:10<Imporntant[info]>that would work for me
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12:12<Imporntant[info]>whats the new pro adudio on pulse mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmkmmm,,m,m,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,m,mmmmmmmmmmmmmm,,,,,mmm k
12:13<Imporntant[info]>+mmmmm ,,,,,,,,,,,,mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmk
12:13<Imporntant[info]>mm+
12:13<Imporntant[info]>mm
12:13<freq>ty
12:14<Imporntant[info]>sorry stiky key
12:14<freq>dewd
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12:17<Imporntant[info]>by hitting two mouse buttons can you scrool up and down? there's no such option on mouse settings in xfce
12:18<Imporntant[info]>whats the new pro audio on pulse mixer?
12:19<Imporntant[info]>pro audio = dolby ?
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12:19<Imporntant[info]>coulfnt find anything googleing it
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13:47<Student-chan>Hello, I need help with creating multiboot USB-disk with two systems (32 and 64 bit). One of them is Knoppix, the second is Linux Mint.
13:50<sussudio>so... you're saying neither are debian.
13:51<Student-chan>I was told, Knoppix is the Debian.
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13:52<sussudio>!knoppix
13:52<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
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13:55<Student-chan>I was told, Knoppix is installing Debian 9.1 Is this correct?
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14:04<Sqrt{not}>Student-chan, see the message above from dpkg about knoppix. who told you knoppix is debian 9?
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14:07<Sqrt{not}>Student-chan, for creating a multi-boot USB, you can investigate ventoy. dpkg will tell you about ventoy, but we will only help you with debian installs in this channel.
14:08<Sqrt{not}>!ventoy
14:08<dpkg>Ventoy is an open-source utility to facilitate booting .iso images from USB storage. It installs grub to the USB, and then uses grub to select among multiple .iso images on the USB. https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ventoy
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14:18<Student-chan>Do I need to format USB before installing Ventoy? (USB just bought.)
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14:32<yanmaani>has anyone researched using BitTorrent for updates?
14:32<yanmaani>seems like it'd save a lot of BW and improve perfomance
14:33<sussudio>no.
14:36<yanmaani>OK, any reason?
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14:43<carlos-moura>+R
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14:46<tuxd3v>mason, thanks, that would e a nice options( backports ).. but I learned from #openocd channel that the current released version still don't have flash capabilities for the microcontroller that I want..they still have some paches pending..
14:47<mason>tuxd3v: A manual backport ought to work then, or, worst case, there's always GNU Stow or something of the sort.
14:48<tuxd3v>so, it will take a while to a new release with that changes come to debian..if I will mess around with that microcontriller, it will be with a port that I saw and they say it has flash capabilities and also debug, at least in the meantime..
14:48<tuxd3v>many thanks for the sugestion :)
14:48<tuxd3v>microcontroller*
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15:00<carlos-moura>%n
15:00<dselect>methinks n is a nitrogen atom, or 420, or {1,2,3,....}
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15:25<olspookishmagus>is there a tool that will generate dependency trees of a package?
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16:16<mason>olspookishmagus: apt depends and apt rdepends work?
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16:23<joeDoe>I want to compile something that isn't packaged by Debian. I know a few basic things about how make and Makefile go together to compile a programme, but not enough. Like, I see the target install wants to put the compiled stuff in $(DESTDIR)$(PLUGIN_DIR_PURPLE), but nowhere in the makefile are those two vars defined. Where will make get the values for those when it comes time to
16:23<joeDoe>mkdir and move stuff there?
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16:29<somiaj>joeDoe: By default most stuff when compiled is put into /usr/local. Those variables are probably defied via automake and the ./configure script (see ./configure --help), and you should be able to set the default location to something else than /usr/local
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16:33<joeDoe>somiaj: where is the configure script? whereis returns nothing
16:33<joeDoe>and there is no such script in the directory I would be make'ing from
16:34<truth>Comparison of Operating System Complexity (2020)
16:34<truth>https://pspodcasting.net/dan/blog/2020/complexity.pdf
16:34<joeDoe>oh, wait, there is a .settings subdir
16:34<butilka123>Hi, i have a quetion: Is it possible to do a software RAID 5 or software RAID 6 and then install an os on it?
16:35<joeDoe>no, grep DESTDIR .settings/* returns nothing.
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16:36<truth>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29362274
16:36<somiaj>joeDoe: Ahh this must not be a standard automake source, which has a ./configure script in the top level directory. Is there a configure.ac file?
16:37<joeDoe>somiaj: no, there isn't
16:37<somiaj>Then this source is using something to configure this. Not strictly debian support, but you'll have to actually share the source being used.
16:38<somiaj>I was just stating standard automake style configure scripts that set all of this
16:38<joeDoe>purple-matrix, if that's what you mean by sharing
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16:38<joeDoe>https://github.com/matrix-org/purple-matrix.git
16:38<somiaj>You have a link to the source, so we don't have to look it up?
16:38<joeDoe>hehe
16:39<somiaj>Hmm github is giving me problems right now, so I can't look at it
16:40<joeDoe>I've run make -n install, so I know it's supposed to go to /usr/lib/purple-2, but I don't know if $DESTDIR is /usr or /usr/lib. Plus I'm just curious about where the value comes from
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16:40<joeDoe>and I don't want it to go there
16:41<somiaj>This source seems broken. Don't install stuff in /usr, that is for dpkg. Use /usr/local
16:41<joeDoe>I want it in usr/local somewhere
16:41<somiaj>Anyways, I can't look at the source, but this seems unstandard if they aren't using normal tools like automake or ./configure scripts. But with github being down for me, I can't look closer at the moment
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16:43<joeDoe>somiaj: would "DESTDIR=/usr/local/lib PLUGIN_DIR_PURPLE=purple-2 make install" adequately override the defaults, wherever they are coming from?
16:43<somiaj>maybe, again I suspect DESTDIR is /usr/local not /usr/local/lib (as that is unstandard), but yet again this source may just be unstandard
16:45<somiaj>Is there an INSTALL file that describes how to configure this at all?
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16:45<joeDoe>if I run "make -n install" part of the output is "mkdir -p /usr/lib/purple-2" and "install -m 664 libmatrix.so /usr/lib/purple-2" so $DESTDIR is either /usr/ or /usr/lib/
16:46<joeDoe>unless it's /usr/lib/purple-2 and PLUGIN_DIR_PURPLE is ""
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16:46<somiaj>well standard will make it /usr
16:46<somiaj>then things are put in /usr/lib, /usr/bin, /usr/share appropertally
16:47<somiaj>but I was suggesting /usr/local
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16:47<joeDoe>I'm going to edit the make file to put an echo just before the mkdir so see what each is!
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16:52<somiaj>Hmm, this seems like because it is a plugin it needs to be put in a special location, so you may not want to change where it goes, to ensure libpurple can find it correctly. Personally I would suggest following this from the README.md file
16:52<somiaj>"If you do not have root access, you can simply copy libmatrix.so into ~/.purple/plugins."
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16:53<somiaj>So it might be make install installs a single file, and thus doesn't need all the standard stuff and you can just copy that single .so file where you want
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16:56<joeDoe>ya, ~/.purple/plugins makes sense. Anyway, you were right about one thing for sure. This is non-standard. My little makefile edit turned up that $DESTDIR="" whereas $PLUGIN_DIR_PURPLE=/usr/lib/purple-2
16:56<joeDoe>somiaj:^^
16:57<joeDoe>which would also tend to support your suggestion that I leave it alone and not put it in local
16:57<somiaj>I still woludn't install it in /usr/lib personally and just use $HOME
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17:10<joeDoe>somiaj: ack
17:10<joeDoe>thanks a load for your help
17:11<joeDoe>I am still curious about where the values came from though...
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17:14<joeDoe>ah man... make gives me "matrix-api.c:26:10: fatal error: http_parser.h: No such file or directory"
17:14<joeDoe>is http_parser.h something well known that is in some package?
17:15<joeDoe>ah wait, apt-file...
17:16<joeDoe> libhttp-parser-dev
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17:23<joeDoe>anyone know what to do about this kind of error when running make: "matrix-e2e.c:952:56: error: format ‘%ld’ expects argument of type ‘long int’, but argument 5 has type gint64’ {aka ‘long long int’} [-Werror=format=]"
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17:28<sussudio>,file matrix-e2e.c
17:28<judd>No packages in bullseye/amd64 were found with that file.
17:29<sussudio>joeDoe: what don't you understand about that error message
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17:32<joeDoe>sussudio: there are, I guess two functions, one being called by the other, probably in different files by different devs. The one being called is expecting a long int but is getting a long long int. As a dumb user just trying to compile something (purple-matrix) acquired from git on his machine (rather than the coder of either of the fucntions) how do I get around this mismatch type
17:32<joeDoe>problem?
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17:34<joeDoe>I know that matrix-e2e.c is in the directory I'm trying to compile. I'm guessing that the thing calling it comes from a debian package I had to install in order to make the compile work
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17:36<sussudio>joeDoe: report a bug at wherever you got this from.
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17:43<netfrog>hi, i try to install dovecot in an unprivileged container, unfortunately I get an error http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f5f1b2f3/ i have already made changes to the system unit
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17:48<petn-randall>netfrog: What container tech are you using? Whatever you set up probably needs some more work.
17:48<netfrog>lxc
17:49<petn-randall>netfrog: I haven't used lxc in ages, so I can't help you with it.
17:50<netfrog>petn-randall, thank you
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17:56<butilka123>Is it possible to do a software RAID 5 or software RAID 6 and then install an os on it?
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18:00<coventry>Hi, I have some questions about debian 11, which I just installed in a vbox VM from the ISO, using the default desktop environment. "setxkbmap -option ctrl:nocaps" does not seem to have any effect, and although I specified dvorak for the keyboard layout during installation, and I get that in a terminal, in emacs I go back to QWERTY layout. How can I fix this?
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18:04<coventry>Specifically, how can I ensure that all windows respond to keystrokes as if from the dvorak layout, and how can I remap capslock to control? And if possible, how can I use setxkbmap to make these changes?
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18:05<cc>that looks like something you would set in /etc/default/keyboard
18:06<cc>in XKBOPTIONS
18:07<coventry>Thanks, I'm trying that now. Is there a way to get the /etc/default/keyboard specifications to apply to emacs windows, too?
18:09<coventry>I put XKBOPTIONS="ctrl:nocaps" in /etc/default/keyboard and rebooted, but capslock has not been remapped to control.
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18:10<cc>did you reboot
18:10<yanmaani>butilka123: not the exact same thing, but aren't there filesystems with the same functionality?
18:11<yanmaani>like ZFS or something
18:11<coventry>cc: Yes, I did. I also tried udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=input --action=change , from keyboard(5).
18:12<butilka123>yanmaani: idk thats why i ask :D
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18:12<butilka123>no is it a yes?
18:13<cc>is ctrl:nocaps present in `setxkbmap -query` output after you reboot?
18:13<butilka123>i want to make a software raid and install windows on that raid
18:14<butilka123>for my games
18:14<butilka123>i have 5 hdds
18:14<butilka123>and 1 m2 with my debian
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18:14<coventry>cc: `setxkbmap -query` returns `rules: evdev; model: pc105; layout: us` (even though I typed the command in dvorak.)
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18:15<coventry>If I run `setxkbmap -option ctrl:nocaps`, that shows up in `setxkbmap -query`, but has no effect.
18:15<cc>butilka123: software raid is something that is done by the OS itself; in other words if you want to install windows on a software RAID then windows will have to create that RAID
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18:16<butilka123>cc: sounds complicated
18:16<butilka123>raid controllers are expensive :(
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18:17<cc>coventry: possibly something (like a desktop environment) is interfering with xkb options or resetting them
18:18<grove>netfrog: I have no experience using lxc to seperate services, but as you said it was an unprivileged container, my first thought is: Do you remember to use lxc-unpriv-start (and lxc-unpriv-attach) to start (and attach to) the container?
18:18<cc>as for why ctrl:nocaps does not work, I have no idea
18:18<coventry>Yes, I believe I'm using the default debian desktop environment.
18:18<cc>no such thing
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18:18<coventry>Whatever the graphical installer presents as the default, then.
18:19<cc>gnome?
18:19<netfrog>grove, thanks
18:20<yanmaani>butilka123: I think you could do it with Linux, not with Windows
18:20<yanmaani>if it's just for games, why do you need the raid5?
18:20<grove>I think that is some kind of gnome today, yes. But it's been quite a few years since I've cared
18:20<yanmaani>just chuck it all on a single disk, re-download if it gets lost
18:20<coventry>cc: `echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP` says `GNOME`
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18:21<coventry>cc: `echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE` says `wayland`... I wonder whether setxkbmap works with wayland.
18:22<cc>I use Xorg and xfce
18:23<coventry>Thanks for the pointer. That sounds like more familiar territory for me, and maybe I'll go that route. Still, would be nice to learn how to use wayland for this.
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18:26<coventry>Installing gnome-tweak-tools and setting via gnome-tweaks at least solved my immediate problem. Thanks for your help, cc.
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19:20<mooff>howdy
19:21<mooff>using rsync to copy files to a server which has umask 027 - but i'd like the files to world-readable
19:21<mooff>can it be done with rsync arguments?
19:21<somiaj>are they world readable on the host machine?
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19:22<mooff>*checks* yes
19:22<somiaj>then you can add an option to rsync to preserve permissions
19:22<somiaj>man rsync to find the exact flag
19:22<Habbie>-p
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19:23<mooff>ah, thanks
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19:40<butilka123>yanmaani: my hdd are very slow. i need a raid for a decent speed if i want an os on it
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21:04<coventry>I've installed debian 11 with gnome in virtualbox 6.1, and installed the vbox guest additions. If I configure the machine to have multiple displays, and set the graphics controller to VBoxSVGA, debian recognizes the extra monitors and displays on them during the boot process. However, when it switches to graphics, all I get is gray screens with a cursor. How can I debug this? It's running wayland, and no ~/.xsession
21:04<coventry>-errors is created.
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21:07<coventry>Ah, I merely needed to increase the virtual video memory!
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21:38<aaa>hello
21:40<aaa>anybody alive?
21:40<keir>aaa: if you have a question, ask it
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22:09<yanmaani>butilka123: I'd look into Windows solutions then, I don't think Debian can help you
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22:18<angelbat>LIST angel
22:18<angelbat>LIST: angel
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22:21<Sqrt{not}>hi angelbat, do you need help?
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22:24<coventry>I'm using LXDE on debian 11, under virtualbox 6.1. When I initially log in, the screen is blank, but changing to a virtual terminal and back fixes it. The screen also goes blank in a similar way if I run xrandr. How can I diagnose this? At the moment, I've got a horrible hack where I run xrandr 5 and then chvt 1 and chvt 7, five seconds after .xsessionrc is run (doesn't work if I reduce it to three seconds.) I'd rea
22:24<coventry>lly like to understand what's breaking, and how chvt is fixing it.
22:24<coventry>Oops, should be "where I run xrandr and then..." (drop the "5".)
22:26<coventry>Seems to be nothing interesting in .xsession-errors, too. Just a bunch of dbus-update-activation-environment settings, and "added to access control list"
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22:32<Sqrt{not}>coventry, maybe take a hard look at what-all is in .xsessionrc
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22:43<coventry>Sqrt{not}: https://pastebin.com/YjVXAbiF
22:43<coventry>It's very straightforward.
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