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00:22<tuxd3v>hello guys, does any one knows how to setup audio codec in ob-studio?
00:22<tuxd3v>I wanted to use aac
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00:34<jcbjoe2021>Thanks sney
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01:02<anon8947>The intaller fails to retrieve the preseed file over http from the vm host, but I can fetch it manually by executing wget inside the guest without problem.
01:02<anon8947>What's up with that?
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01:25<twb>anon8947: DNS might not be up when the fetch runs?
01:25<anon8947>twb: It's directly trying an IP so that shouldn't be an issue.
01:25<twb>DHCP might not be up yet?
01:25<twb>what was in the syslog
01:26<anon8947>Currently rerunning it, but network autoconfiguration just finished successfully, so unlikely to be the cause.
01:26<anon8947>Ah, same error.
01:26<anon8947>twb: Right, so, in the installer, how would I check the syslog?
01:27<twb>anon8947: drop to a shell and then "more /var/log/syslog"
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01:28<anon8947>Huh. Error 403: Forbidden file type or location
01:28<twb>maybe you typo'd the preseed command?
01:29<anon8947>"preseed/url=http://{{ .HTTPIP }}:{{ .HTTPPort }}/preseed.cfg <wait>"
01:29<twb>ha, so your jinja isn't
01:29<anon8947>It gets rendered to 10.0.2.2:8235
01:29<anon8947>(Which is what it's supposed to do)
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01:30<twb>Dunno there
01:30<twb>If you only do VMs, have you considered using mmdebstrap instead of preseeding
01:30<anon8947>I don't think that's supported by Packer
01:31<twb>ugh middleware
01:31<anon8947>Yeah
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01:33<anon8947>Still, this suggests that it did make a request to the HTTP server, even got an answer.
01:33<twb>pastebin your syslog
01:33<anon8947>Ah, I closed it for testing yet again, but in the event I wanted to... how would I extract that from the VM?
01:34<anon8947>libguestfstools magic?
01:34<twb>anon8947: either install the netconsole udeb (i.e. SSH server), or in the menu choose "run http server" or something
01:34<twb>I forget exactly what the option is called
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02:10<anon8947>twb: Oh goodness -_- Looking up the error code brought up the exact problem. Turns out that the mirror/http/proxy option also applies to the query for the preseed file
02:11<twb>I thought the error code was just 403
02:11<anon8947>No, there was that "Forbidden file type or location"
02:11<twb>oh
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02:12<twb>That's not coming from qemu
02:12<anon8947>Looking that up brought up a debian bug report for apt-cacher-ng
02:12<twb>Even though they're using a qemu IP
02:12<twb>ahhhh
02:12<anon8947>Looking in the cacher's logs, that is indeed exactly where the query ended up.
02:12<anon8947>It's... kind of weird and awkward that the apt proxy somehow applies to everything instead.
02:12<twb>anon8947: OK so instead of setting the proxy there you can set the mirror explicitly
02:12<anon8947>At least, everything run by the installer itself.
02:13<anon8947>twb: Yeah, I'll essentially have to do it that way.
02:13<twb>instead of http_proxy=http://localhost:3142/ https://deb.debian.org/debian
02:13<twb>do https://localhost:3142/deb.debian.org/debian
02:15<twb>I trust you can waggle that to match your setup
02:15<anon8947>Yeah, apt-cacher-ng supports just directly targeting it as a mirror instead of as a proxy.
02:16<anon8947>Thankfully it apparently has a very distinctive error phrasing.
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02:19<twb>You could probably also just set the proxy from INSIDE the preseed file
02:19<twb>it honestly wouldn't have occurred to me to do otherwise
02:20<anon8947>twb: I'd been planning to use the ability to only modify variables in the Packer configuration to setup most options, since the preseed file isn't templated.
02:21<twb>There's a limit of something like 32 options you can pass the way it will be passing them
02:21<twb>Although I think they doubled it in 2.4 -> 2.6
02:21<anon8947>Ah, that's definitely worth noting.
02:21<twb>I am referring to the number/length of args in the kernel command line (/proc/cmdline)
02:21<twb>I haven't looked for a long long time
02:21<anon8947>Yeah, I understood.
02:22<twb>Sorry that I can't quickly fact-check my memory :-(
02:22<anon8947>And I can indeed confirm, the proxy was the issue. It just fetched it without any problem now.
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02:52<anon8947>twb: I'm likely going to use preseed/include invocations for customizing individual VM preseed templates, rather than keeping with variables. Much as I like the variables... there is a limited number of arguments.
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03:36<simon_sutcliffe>Hello, Sorry I am very new to IRC and I am unsure on the way to discuss in this medium. But I have a question. We have installed a Debian Bullseye Packetfence OVA into vsphere. Everything is great but we hit a strange issue. When adding an additional vNic it appears to move the original eth0 mac to the newly created eth1 and the new vNic assumes the eth0. We tried to use the udev soltion to remap but it did not happen.
03:37<simon_sutcliffe>Can anyone give us a steer on how to solve this issue?
03:38<anon8947>That sounds like a vsphere specific issue. Perhaps someone here knows anyway. You'll probably want to check on the vmware/vsphere side as well though.
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03:41<simon_sutcliffe>Thanks anon8947, yes I will be picking this up with VMware too. I did find a number of people "google search" that have this issue. But the remapping option was the suggestion but for us we tried that but is did not happen. So we wandered how that should be done and if that should indeed work in Bullseye.
03:42<anon8947>simon_sutcliffe: Just keep in mind a large part of this channel is active in EST-adjacent timezones, so this is sort of a dead time.
03:42<simon_sutcliffe>Yes I guessed that was the case. :-)
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03:47<petn-randall>simon_sutcliffe: Usually the network interface names are derived from the PCI address or something, and only for VMs are they by the order of detection. Is it important for your use case that they stay the same?
03:52<simon_sutcliffe>Hi petn-randall, yes this what we saw. There is no obvious way in VMware to influence this. As I mentioned we tried to map the PCI and MACAddress using the udev but that did nothing. I suspect we are doing something wrong. Linux is a old friend I have not be really involved with for over 20 years so I am a little rusty if I am honest.
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03:53<petn-randall>simon_sutcliffe: You should be able to change udev so that at least the naming stays the same through reboots.
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03:53<petn-randall>!predictable
03:53<dpkg>Starting with Debian 9 (buster), interface names are assigned using the "predictable interface names" scheme. See <https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkInterfaceNames#predictable> and <https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/>
03:53<petn-randall>simon_sutcliffe: ^ This should give you the right pointers to make that possible.
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04:04<simon_sutcliffe>Thanks petn-randall I will read those links and that is what we tried, Maybe I was just having a senior moment and missed a step :-)
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04:15<petn-randall>simon_sutcliffe: If it doesn't achieve the result, ask again here and provide some details, and we'll see if we can get it fixed.
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05:00<vicky>What does this error indicate - dpkg-gencontrol: error: current host architecture 'arm64' does not appear in package's architecture list (alpha amd64 i386 x32)
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05:04<skitt>it means that the Architecture field in debian/control only lists "alpha amd64 i386 x32", which doesn't include arm64, so the package can't be built for arm64 (according to its metadata)
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05:06<vicky>skitt: thanks
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05:12<vicky>skitt: If the Architecture filed is "all", will we get the same error ?
05:13<skitt>vicky, the "all" architecture is for architecture-independent packages, packages which are built once and used everywhere
05:13<skitt>if a package lists specific arches in the Architecture field, it's probably not arch-independent
05:13<skitt>the wildcard architecture in that case is "any"
05:13<vicky>Okay
05:14<skitt>so basically try "Architecture: any" and see what happens ;-)
05:14<vicky>Sure :)
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05:22<knghtbrd>vicky: what're you building?
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07:09<cousin_luigi>Greetings.
07:09<cousin_luigi>Is there a live sid or testing image I can get somewhere?
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07:33<tarzeau>cousin_luigi: it'd be outdated in a few weeks or days, if not hours.
07:33<tarzeau>cousin_luigi: why not just install stable then dist-upgrade to sid?
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08:05<cousin_luigi>tarzeau: I need a livecd with upstream kernel to test a theory.
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08:25<chrisgt>cousin_luigi: there's weekly builds on testing. at this point testing and sid are pretty close
08:25<chrisgt>https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/
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08:31<cousin_luigi>chrisgt: Thanks. Will try that.
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09:04<Sqrt{Not}>anon8947, also note that the debian wiki has its own search functions builtin
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09:06<mariano>hello
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09:24<shadyfox>Hello, i have a problem with my bootloader ( Grub ). I have a dualboot win10/debian 11 setup. And each time i boot win10, it overwrites my Grub so i cant no longer log into debian. Any body knows why ?
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09:36<Sqrt{Not}>!fast startup
09:36<dpkg>Windows fast startup is enabled by default and will interfere with a dual-boot linux installation, and risks damaging the Windows filesystems during dual boot. Disable it with the instructions here: https://www.windowscentral.com/how-disable-windows-10-fast-startup See this section of the bullseye installation guide: https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/ch03s06.en.html#disable-fast-boot
09:36<Sqrt{Not}>shadyfox, maybe this issue? ^^^^^
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09:37<shadyfox>Oh, do it disables it to boot faster ?
09:37<shadyfox>( win disabeling debian )
09:37<Sqrt{Not}>shadyfox, if fast boot is enabled, then windows doesn't fully shut down, almost like a hibernate state.
09:38<Sqrt{Not}>maybe not your issue, but worth checking, because it is dangerous if enabled
09:38<shadyfox>Oh ok than, thanks a lot !
09:38<Sqrt{Not}>ask again here, if that is not it
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09:38<shadyfox>ok , will not esitate to
09:39<shadyfox>bye
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10:05<TigerSc0ut_Opt>Hello I cant get my wifi to work on debian 11 (bulles eye) can anyone assist ?
10:05<TigerSc0ut_Opt>m trying to install lswh - have added all repositories to my sources list - and updated apt - lswh cannot be found ...
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10:11<enyc>TigerSc0ut_Opt: lspci and lsusb might be there?
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10:12<enyc>TigerSc0ut_Opt: "apt search lshw" reveals that you can (sudo) "apt get install lshw"
10:13<TigerSc0ut_Opt>lspci and lsusb are both there yes
10:14<enyc>TigerSc0ut_Opt: and... line for your wifi adapter?
10:14<TigerSc0ut_Opt>installing lshw gives : E: Unable to locate package lswh
10:14<enyc>TigerSc0ut_Opt: you mistyped ;p
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10:15<TigerSc0ut_Opt>omg im so dislexic sometimes ----- no wonder it couldnt find the command
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10:17<Sqrt{Not}>TigerSc0ut_Opt, the command `sudo dmesg | grep firmware` might give some useful information
10:17<enyc>indeed, might be an adapter needing firmware-b43-installer or something
10:18<TigerSc0ut_Opt>thank you both - I will first try to solve this on my own - sound not working either - there isnt like a general isntall for del latitude 3520 is there ?
10:18<enyc>TigerSc0ut_Opt: uerr -- can you jsut tell us what the wifi adapter type is [!!?!?]
10:18<enyc>TigerSc0ut_Opt: should be listed in lspci or lsusb or lshw
10:19<TigerSc0ut_Opt>Wi-Fi 6 AX201
10:21<enyc>TigerSc0ut_Opt: you may need to sudo apt install firmware-iwlwifi
10:21<TigerSc0ut_Opt>already newest version
10:22<TigerSc0ut_Opt>but i installed that earlier might need a reboot ? / log off /logon ?
10:22<enyc>TigerSc0ut_Opt: yes, or maybe need to sudo rmmod iwlwifi and sudo modprobe iwlwifi potentially will reload it ok
10:23<TigerSc0ut_Opt>yaaay that did it your a star enyc :)
10:24<enyc>as for sound, not sure =)
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10:25<enyc>TigerSc0ut_Opt: fwiw, you *could* test booting USB-sticks of MX21 and MX21-AHS variants just to try some debian with firmware bootable and debian with newer kernel/drivers bootable images, which can be useful to know what *can* work on particular system, note however these are not pure debian, a derivative.
10:26<enyc>TigerSc0ut_Opt: debian 11 bullseye now has a backport (bullseye-backports) version of various packages including linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64
10:26<enyc>which can be useful to have newer drivers in some cases!.
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10:27<TigerSc0ut_Opt>do you think its safer to stay with debian 10 as debian 11 is still so new
10:28<TigerSc0ut_Opt>I got : Tiger Lake-LP Smart Sound Technology Audio Controller btw
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10:31<enyc>TigerSc0ut_Opt: no, debian 11 good in general, 10buster outdated in various annoying ways to me
10:31<enyc>TigerSc0ut_Opt: but a lot depends upon your *particular* machine and being a relatively new style fo machine probably beneft from newer distro
10:31<enyc>TigerSc0ut_Opt: you *might* need backported kernel or similar
10:32<enyc>TigerSc0ut_Opt: might need apt install firmware-intel-sound
10:32<enyc>try latter
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10:33<TigerSc0ut_Opt>ill give it a go and then there is a rmmod / modprobe command to restart the module wihtout loging off ?
10:35<enyc>TigerSc0ut_Opt: look in 'lsmod' theres' probably some snd_ .... intel somtehing or other modules you might be able to rmmod (may have a dependency/order) and then re-modprobe
10:35<enyc>TigerSc0ut_Opt: may be better to have a reboot anyway at some point to make sure changes work ok on restart
10:35<TigerSc0ut_Opt>yeah ill give it a reboot in a second
10:35<TigerSc0ut_Opt>thanks a lot enyc
10:36<enyc>TigerSc0ut_Opt: in general, debian is quite good at 'not releasing until its ready' quite stable
10:37<enyc>TigerSc0ut_Opt: ubuntu LTS releases on even years and debian LTS on odd years generally (not by rule but that has been the pattern for ages...)
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10:43<TigerSc0ut_Opt>thats why i like Debian best :)
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12:28<scorpion2185[m]>on one PC lxlogout uses the custom i3lock, I think cause of xautolock. why the other PC doesn't?
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12:46<scorpion2185[m]>amazing! but why no on the other PC?
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13:25<castinux>Hello guys ! How are you ?!
13:25<castinux>i'm noob at debian ! Please help me
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13:31<tertu>any recs on which ftp daemon i should use
13:31<tertu>it's mostly going to be used to move files in my internal network
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13:34<jcbjoe2021>What's the difference I install a .deb file with apt install and dpkg -I ?
13:36<grove>jcbjoe2021: The main difference is whether any attempt is made to satisfy it's dependencies (`apt` does `dpkg -I` does not)
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13:36<jcbjoe2021>grove: apt install is safer then?
13:37<grove>jcbjoe2021: In most cases: yes
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13:38<grove>!tell tertu about FTP
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14:25<tertu>does sftp have separate daemons?
14:25<tertu>my understanding was that sftp was basically ftp over ssh
14:26<sney>sftp is part of ssh, it's unrelated to ftp except with basic usage syntax
14:26<tertu>oh didn't realize that
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14:29<sney>technically it does have a separate server binary, /usr/lib/sftp-server, but it's from the same openssh source
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14:31<tertu>okay well then i won't bother with ftp
14:31<tertu>basically, i typically use rsync
14:32<tertu>but sometimes i just want to be able to drag and drop a file without having to know exactly where it's supposed to go
14:32<tertu>and or figure out where it's supposed to go locally and then rsync it
14:32<somiaj>Yea, I would just use sftp over ssh if that is a possbility.
14:32<tertu>it is! just tried it and it works fine.
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14:45<jpw>careful now with that advice. because sftp-server is a subfeature of ssh features of ssh can be made available is not properly hardened. such as tunneling
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14:52<tertu>yeah i'm fine with giving this account tunneling
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15:27<Zr40>not asking for help, just curious. I noticed that the current version of npm in bullseye (7.5.2) is one that many npm packages complain about being incompatible with. But the minimum npm version those packages ask for is 7.5.6 and that's 9 months old. I don't see any bugs from people asking to package the new version. Does nobody actually use debian's packages for npm in practice?
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15:42<sussudio>https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/npm
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15:43<Zr40>testing and sid have newer versions of course
15:46<sussudio>as you can see, they have a vulnerability.
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15:48<Zr40>CVE-2021-43616?
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15:52<TobiX>Zr40: Pretty sure most JavaScript developers use NodeSource's packages for Node.js: https://github.com/nodesource/distributions/blob/master/README.md#debinstall ...
15:55<Sqrt{Not}>%cve lookup CVE-2021-43616
15:55<dselect>Information about the security advisory CVE-2021-43616 may be found at https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2021-43616
15:55<Zr40>TobiX: that would explain the lack of reports
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15:58<_alexrelis_>I finally got DSD audio working on Debian :)
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16:49<MrHatter123>I just did a fresh Debian 11 install with mdadm and raid1, I then did the normal task of grub-install /dev/sdb , update-grub to get the bootloader on the 2nd drive,I then uplugged each drive to test, but one of them doesn't boot.
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16:49<MrHatter123>Is there anything different for Debian 11 and grub ?
16:50<sney>not that I know of but it would be listed here, https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html
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16:50<aloo_shu>in the nnn filebrowser, was it the debian maintainer's decision to only leave vi-style navigation, or had I been lucky and navigation keys had been added in my other, non-debian nnn instance?
16:51<MrHatter123>which grub is default ? I am assuming grub-install /dev/sda, but I see there is a grub2 ?
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16:53<MrHatter123>I see, it's been grub2 since Lenny.
16:55<somiaj>grub2 is the source package name, but the binary packages I think are just grub-foo
16:55<anon8947>Sqrt{Not}: I've had dubious luck with it in the past.
16:55<somiaj>the old grub is still around, since debian keeps things around until they are not buildable or just plain broken for those who didn't want to switch to grub2
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16:55<somiaj>Lilo was only removed this last release.
16:56<somiaj>not grub (or grub version 1) binary packages are called grub-legacy
16:57<jpw>end of an era. i remember booting debian 3 with lilo
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16:57<somiaj>I wonder how many were still using lilo...LI LI LI LI LI
16:58<aloo_shu>MrHatter123: maybe grub, at least one instance, is looking for the boot directory in the wrong place?
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16:59<sarnold>somiaj: *shudder*
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17:01<MrHatter123>In the BIOS, there is an extra entry after the 2x drives, starting with 'debian(sata6g...) Trying the boot override with either of the drives doesn't work. The entry with 'debian(... works.
17:01<MrHatter123>Is this some secureboot/efi something that I haven't learnt yet ?
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17:01<somiaj>are you using uefi to boot?
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17:02<Sqrt{Not}>anon8947, well it _is_ a wiki, but does contain some good info. You are welcome to edit it
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17:05<MrHatter123>somiaj, I didn't even think about it, I just went through the installer, I am assuming it is uefi
17:06<MrHatter123>UEFI means I can't boot from either of the drives ?
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17:09<mason>somiaj: elilo is still a thing
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17:15<somiaj>MrHatter123: do you have an efi partition on both drives?
17:18<MrHatter123>somiaj, yes
17:20<MrHatter123>it seems I am still living in the dark ages. I haven't caught up with mdadm raid1 and uefi
17:20<MrHatter123>doesn't look like there is an easy fix
17:21<anon8947>These days I'd recommend using btrfs' raid1 profile instead of using mdadm
17:21<MrHatter123>anon8947, does it make booting off either drive easier ?
17:22<MrHatter123>mdadm has been amazing in my years of using it.
17:22<anon8947>MrHatter123: Not particularly. The UEFI partition has to be on its own anyway.
17:22<jkc>There is a way to boot UEFI off of an mdadm mirror.
17:22<anon8947>It probably amounts to forcefully writing the EFI partition in front of each mirror.
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17:23<MrHatter123>I have not mirrored the /boot/efi partitions
17:23<jkc>No. Create a partition on each disk of type ESP. Create an mdadm array across those two, using metadata version 0.90. Format the mirror as FAT32, mount as /boot/efi, and proceed as normal.
17:24<magyar>hi, which folder can I put a firmware file on a usb drive for the installer to pick it up?
17:24<jkc>UEFI never writes to the disk. The data structures for FAT32, which is what UEFI is looking for, are at the start of the partition. mdadm metadata version 0.90 puts the mdadm metadata at the end of the partition.
17:24<anon8947>magyar: Right, partition flags are needed for it. Do you have them set?
17:24<anon8947>erh, MrHatter123
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17:24*anon8947 again got hit by first-char-completion
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17:26<Sqrt{Not}>magyar, it should be in the root directory of the USB, which should be formatted FAT. See the install manual.
17:27<Sqrt{Not}>%install manual
17:28<dselect>The Installation Guide for Debian 11 "Bullseye" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/installmanual . See also <errata> and <bullseye release notes>.
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17:28<magyar>Sqrt{Not}: fdisk shows the usb drive formatted with fat16
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17:28<Sqrt{Not}>that should be good
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17:30<magyar>Sqrt{Not}: I placed all files from the b43-cutter on the root folder, but the installer is not seeing them
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17:34<MrHatter123>jkc, I currently an EFI partion on each disk that are not mirrored. So are you saying to create an extra efi partition, mirror it, format it with fat32, then copy the data from the current /boot/efi onto the new mirror ?
17:35<jkc>I wouldn't go to that length to do it, personally.
17:35<MrHatter123>what woud you do ?
17:36<sarnold>I thought the 'right' way to handle mirrored efi partitions was something like dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc and select both of the partitions in the menu that shows up
17:36<MrHatter123>anon8947, dyou mean bootable partition flags ?
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17:38<jkc>sarnold: grub-pc is BIOS/CSM grub, iirc
17:39<Fraggle2>magyar: easiest solution would be to pick an installer image which already contains the firmware
17:40<anon8947>MrHatter123: You can mark partitions as boot/esp which may be necessary for efi boot. iirc in theory firmware is also supposed to crawl drives for properly formatted partitions and binaries, but that assumes the OEM didn't botch it.
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17:41<jkc>anon8947: It's actually only a partition type. There is a specific GPT type "ESP" that UEFI loaders look for.
17:41<sarnold>jkc: I'm not positive on what packages are exactly installed where :( it's a confusing tangly mess of packages.. if grub-pc isn't installed, then maybe dpkg-reconfigure grub-efi-amd64 is the better choice
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17:41<anon8947>jkc: Oh I see.
17:42<jkc>Things like gparted will present that as "flags," which DRIVES ME INSANE, because its misrepresenting what's actually going on.
17:42<MrHatter123>jkc, it is Efi I think ? not esp ?
17:42<anon8947>jkc: Parted in my case, but yeah.
17:42<jkc>MrHatter123: EFI System Partition. ESP.
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17:42<MrHatter123>ok, same thing.
17:42<jkc>Not the same thing. One is firmware, the other is a partition type. :)
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17:43<MrHatter123>ah, ESP is the firmware ?
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17:43<jkc>No. EFI is the firmware. EFI System Partition is the partition that EFI looks for.
17:43<anon8947>Which contains binaries specifically built for the EFI firmware to execute.
17:43<jkc>^
17:44<jkc>Entries can be placed in the UEFI's NVRAM (non-volatile memory, where all UEFI settings are stored) that direct UEFI to boot from a specific UEFI/binary. There is also a fallback location if the indicated entry doesn't exist, or there are no entries at all.
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17:45<anon8947>The last case is where it relies on ESP partition crawling
17:45<jkc>In a way. It will boot the EFI binary located at /EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI on the first ESP it finds.
17:46<anon8947>Issues start occuring if you didn't generate a "removable path" binary, iirc.
17:47<anon8947>(And that you have entries)
17:47<anon8947>*no entries
17:47<jkc>Sorry, I've gone way down the rabbithole.
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17:48<anon8947>https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_boot_process#Under_UEFI This provides an applicable summary
17:48<sussudio>jkc: a ferret is soon to follow you in.
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17:51<MrHatter123>So back to my issue, what will I do to boot off either of the drives ?
17:52<MrHatter123>Thanks for the education btw, :)
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18:06<mooff>for some reason pulseaudio has started hanging on startup, can someone help me debug it?
18:10<MrHatter123>So, I was over complicating it. Because i didn't mirror the /boot/efi, the EFI directory wasn't on the other partition. I mounted the other partition, copied the data, now it boots off eith drive.
18:11<MrHatter123>the problem will be later, if something in the EFI changes, it will need to be duplicated manually to the other partition.
18:11<jkc>MrHatter123: Just remember to do that whenever there's a grub update.
18:11<jkc>That, yes.
18:11<MrHatter123>jkc, yes. thanks everyone for your input, I appreciate it
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18:12<MrHatter123>jkc, anon8947, somiaj, sarnold. thx.
18:12<MrHatter123>in the future, I should mirror the /boot/efi
18:13<MrHatter123>which IRC chat program do you all use ? I am using hexchat and it is terrible slow
18:17<somiaj>MrHatter123: Might be your connection vs the client. I use irssi, but hexchat is popular and shouldn't be that slow.
18:18<somiaj>MrHatter123: note, you might want to be careful with mirroring the efi partition too (this might depend on the actual uuid of /boot on both drives, but here I missed out on some of the details, just something to be aware of)
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18:19<somiaj>note update-grub doesn't change the efi part at all, this changes files in /boot so that is what needs to be mirrored after a update-grub, only need to worry about mirroring the efi partition if you do a grub-install due to /boot changing
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18:24<anon8947>MrHatter123: Personally using weechat, but I'll second that unless your machine is quite old, the difference should be practically indistinguishable.
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18:28<freq>ayyy
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18:29<MrHatter123>somiaj, MY PC is good, Internet is fast, it's the rending iside of hexchat, the typing is laggy and delayed.
18:30<MrHatter123>anon8947, thx , I will try that one
18:30<somiaj>could it be your gpu is using software rendering instead of hardware rendering. Might not be a hexchat only problem. This in debian? What gpu do you have?
18:30<somiaj>again I doubt hexchat is the main issue here
18:30<ach>i remind this was some utf or latex packet bug
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18:31<MrHatter123>somiaj, its a windows 10 box, i7, 16gb of RAM, GTX1080 and a GTX960 in it.
18:32<somiaj>ahh, so some windows client. So might just be something with windows and gtk going on.
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18:32<somiaj>I don't have any good recommendations for a good irc client for windows.
18:32<MrHatter123>is hexchat ported ?
18:32<sney>yes, hexchat has had windows support as long as it has existed
18:33<MrHatter123>ah
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18:33<Fraggle2>according to https://hexchat.github.io/news/2.16.0.html, the windows builds are in a bad state.
18:34<Fraggle2>and I fear we will lose hexchat completely because no one wants to port it from gtk2 :-(
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18:35<freq>well
18:35<sney>the windows builds work as well as they always did, if you just need a functional irc client it's fine
18:35<sney>the gtk2 issue is definitely looming though
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18:35<freq>flarpee
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18:40<r4fkramer>Hi all. I've installed 'plasma-theme-oxygen' just for the purpose of including the blue color in the MATE folders I use in my bullseye 11.1. But the theme has not changed.
18:40<r4fkramer>I don't remember which package adds this color to themes, mainly making the folders blue. Can someone let me know about it, please?
18:40<anon8947>Yeah it needs to be changed in theme configurations somewhere.
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18:42<somiaj>plasma-theme sounds like it is for kde plasma, not mate. Is mate still gtk2 or is it gtk3 now? there is gtk2-engines-oxygen, not seeing one for gtk3 (though maybe gtk3 has a way to use qt themes)
18:42<anon8947>That's a good point you're raising.
18:43<r4fkramer>anon8947, but, is this the right package for that ? I use the path 'Preferences -> look and feel -> Appearance -> Customize -> Icons. But the blue folders aren't displayed there, only the old ones.
18:43<anon8947>r4fkramer: I suspect somiaj might've put the finger on the other half of the equation.
18:43<freq>-->
18:43<freq>oh
18:43<freq>i didnt know that worked
18:43<freq><--
18:43<freq>hah!
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18:44<r4fkramer>anon8907, I understood what somiaj explained. But I have these blue themes in all the installations I have, and I only use MATE with Debian.
18:45<r4fkramer>Unfortunately I can't check them now, for the other machines aren't available for inspection.
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18:47<Guest7337>whats the current preferred gui chat client for debian? found a note about it being empathy and also that empathy is no longer developed
18:47<somiaj>freq: please don't post noise to the channel
18:47<somiaj>Guest7337: chat client for what?
18:47<somiaj>Guest7337: there are so many different chat protols, a lot depends on what network/users you want to connect to
18:47<r4fkramer>I use some KDE applications in MATE, such as Konsole Terminal, for example. And these theme packages in MATE, which are from KDE ecossystem. But I really don't remember the name of this package - certainly it's not 'plasma-theme-oxygen'
18:48<anon8947>Guest7337: I suppose without specification on protocol pidgin might be a viable option, due to supporting more than just one.
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18:48<Guest7337>in this case... its IRC. generally I was using pidgin
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18:49<somiaj>for irc, probably a specific irc client would work well. I think hexchat is a popular gui for irc
18:49<sney>that's usually hexchat for a gui client then, though it is legacy software it's still maintained
18:49<Guest7337>not sure if the pidgin project is still active and confused about the posting of empathy being the debian default client for gnome yet being an EOL package
18:49<sney>where was that posted?
18:50<anon8947>For XMPP I'd sooner recommend gajim than pidgin, as the former supports OMEMO unlike the latter.
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18:51<Guest7337>https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Attic/Empathy?action=show&redirect=Apps%2FEmpathy Empathy is currently no longer in development (see also Attic/Unmaintained).
18:51<sney>no, where did you see the claim that it's the default for debian?
18:51<Guest7337>omemo?
18:52<anon8947>Guest7337: It's an XMPP-specific encryption protocol.
18:52<anon8947>Like OTR but better.
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18:52<anon8947>Although many would argue that last statement.
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18:53<Guest7337>gajim looks nice... I like the multiprotocol client approach
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18:53<Guest7337>anon8947: search the page for "no longer"
18:54<anon8947>Guest7337: ?
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18:57<hanasaki2>not a big fan of nickserv right now lol
18:57<sney>I see an old note on the debian wiki recommending empathy for debian developers. that's a pretty niche suggestion and shouldn't be interpreted as a general recommendation
18:57<sney>it's good to read things in context ;)
18:57<hanasaki2>BRB hold on.sorry
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18:58<somiaj>yea, I also think defaults in debian are taking too sersioually by some. Debian provides you lots of choice to what you want to use. empathy is still in stable, use that if you like it
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18:59<mason>sarnold: I missed some scrollback, but dpkg-reconfigure grub-efi-amd64 is a Ubuntu-specific trick. Not possible on Debian yet.
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19:02<g00se>I've got my lan name listed separately in resolv.conf ( http://sprunge.us/lgfuSt ) yet local names don't resolve. What could be the problem?
19:02*g00se should say that wireguard is in force
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19:02<hanasaki>test
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19:02<somiaj>g00se: do you have a DNS that knows what foo.home is?
19:03<hanasaki>ok back. it was me asking about irc clients and the telepathy
19:04<somiaj>I think your search home line might not match what you want. What domain names 192.168.2.1 does your local DNS provide for your local network?
19:04<blackout>g00se, it might be stupid and might not work, but just give a try putting the local nameserver first in the resolv.conf
19:04<hanasaki>somiaj: and anon8947 did you find the "Empathy is currently no longer in development (see also Attic/Unmaintained). "?
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19:05<somiaj>Where did you find that? just beacuse something is no longer in development doens't mean you can't use it
19:05<anon8947>hanasaki: I didn't know that was the reference pinged @ me earlier, and I never did recommend Empathy personally.
19:05<g00se>somiaj: Yes. dig @192.168.2.1 foo.home works
19:05<anon8947>somiaj: It can be problematic for security reasons.
19:05<g00se>blackout: Shall try
19:05<somiaj>I'm just pointing out that empathy is in Debian stable, so it has some sort of maintaince in debian
19:06<hanasaki>somiaj: mostly about security. updates for proto support and bug fixes
19:06<somiaj>anon8947: are this security bugs known by the debian maintainers. Here i'm not suggesting it, but if it is in debian I usually assume it is usable.
19:07<somiaj>The only cve's I'm seing are fixed.
19:07<hanasaki>somiaj: ive tried unstable .. its generally too unstable LOL. sometimes testing 1+yrs into the cycle is ok
19:07<g00se>Actually I'm not sure if there's much point in editing resolv.conf as it's dynamic. I could try switching the nameservers in the wireguard config
19:08<hanasaki>guess its pidgin I shall stay w/
19:08<blackout>g00se, yeah, i said just to give a try, as u said, its dynamic, if it worked, u should edit it via the nmanager or whatever
19:08<somiaj>g00se: does foo.home resolve on the system so it is just the search line is having trouble?
19:08<anon8947>somiaj: No idea, CVEs are generally unreliable due to major problems with the submission & rewview process.
19:08<somiaj>hanasaki: here I'm assuming you run stable, since this is a stable support channel.
19:08<g00se>somiaj: No. ping foo.home fails
19:10<somiaj>hmm, for testing if you remove the other two nameservers or put 192.168.2.1 first does it work? (though I think it should use the later ones if the domain name isn't found, though maybe .home has a root elsewhere)
19:10<somiaj>anon8947: well if you know of some issues you should report a bug
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19:11<anon8947>somiaj: I just tend to look at unmaintained C programs with a lot of wariness.
19:11<somiaj>I was just pointing out that it is in debian stable, I don't see any outstanding bugs or CVE's, so it can be used. Though if there are actual security issues they should be reported, and if you do want something more active, they did recommend alternatives.
19:11<anon8947>Indeed.
19:12<g00se>Hmm. It's 'better' in that it's able to dig now without specifying the nameserver. BUT ping still fails as do connections to hosts
19:13<hanasaki>somiaj: yes
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19:13<g00se>Could it be some routing trouble for the LAN owing to wireguard being used?
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19:14<somiaj>g00se: I was wondering if maybe it is a routing issue, but unsure there, a bit out of my experience.
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19:15<g00se>Hang on, sorry folks. Duh, was trying it with a host I took down a few minutes ago ;)
19:16<hanasaki>anyone have success installing adguard using the github instructions ? any reason its not supported by a deb package in the deb repos>?
19:16<sarnold>mason: oh *dang* :( I didn't know that :(
19:17*g00se has AN ad guard on his Openwrt router
19:17<somiaj>All packages in debian are maintained by volunteers. So if something isn't in debian it either (a) doesn't meet the DFSG and cannot be in debian, or (b) no one has volunteered to do the work to get it into debian.
19:18<g00se>All working folks. Your solution worked blackout :)
19:18<anon8947>Or it was volunteered once and then abandoned.
19:18<anon8947>rip Grafana...
19:18<blackout>g00se, np!
19:19<somiaj>g00se: well good thing you figured out the issue
19:19<hanasaki>anon8947: rip as in its gone in deb or gonegone
19:19<anon8947>hanasaki: Gone from Debian, manual install from external repositories required.
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19:20<anon8947>I don't much like going outside of the package manager installation path. It's just more practical for ensuring things are up to date.
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19:23<anon8947>It's also not packaged in Guix so that's a no go. Debian actually packages more cloud infrastructure stuff than Guix at current time.
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19:28<hanasaki>thanks all
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19:42<Guest7340>how are you?
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20:54<jcbjoe2021>There is so much reading on debian 0_o
20:54<jcbjoe2021>i like it
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21:31<mooff>can't believe no-one leaped to help debug my pulseaudio issue without me putting any effort in earlier :)
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21:34<mooff>i just wanted it fixed without having to, like, think, or run any commands. sheesh! :)
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21:37<anon8947>mooff: You got lost in the midst of the rest
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21:40<jcbjoe2021>Lol mooff
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21:41<jcbjoe2021>Im a noob been on Debian 1 day I don't no crap I would help
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21:42<somiaj>jcbjoe2021: you should also not cross-post, it is best if you decide to seek support on either libera or oftc, but not both
21:42<jcbjoe2021>Got it
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