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02:12<tuxd3v>hello, I still haven't found a way to load reliably zram module at boot in debian
02:14<tuxd3v>sure I should use that in /etc/modules
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02:14<tuxd3v>but I put there:
02:14<tuxd3v>zram num_devices=4
02:15<tuxd3v>and it doesn't load my zram module :(
02:15<tuxd3v>I wait around 2.30 minutes and nothing at boot
02:16<tuxd3v>anyone knows why what is suposed to work, doesn't work?
02:16<tuxd3v>thanks in advance
02:16<tarzeau>tuxd3v: i'm just using zram-config from ubuntu on debian
02:16<somiaj>if you just put zram there does it work? I forget if you can add options in that file.
02:16<Anarka>dunno but thers https://wiki.debian.org/ZRam and seems straighforward
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02:19<tuxd3v>tarzeau, many thanks, it should work since num_devices is the parameter the kernel module requires to create the amount of zram devices you need..
02:19<twb>zram and zswap are, in my opinion, a waste of time
02:19<twb>99% of the time, the problem is a GUI browser. Run a userland oom killer that can correctly detect this and kill off the browser.
02:20<tarzeau>twb: i'm very glad about zram with 8 gb to 2 tb ram machines
02:20<twb>When I ran zram in the field for about 3 years on 600 desktops, I didn't observe any improvement at all.
02:20<tarzeau>twb: i'm also using nohang, however it doesn't always catch everything. and it's not always gui browsers (albeit often it's lightdm, gnome, firefox, google-chrome/chromium, not msedge)
02:20<somiaj>from what I see you only put in the modules name (no options) in /etc/modules, but then you can put the default options in /etc/modprobe.d/
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02:21<tarzeau>twb: what were your users doing? were you also using live compression with btrfs? (not related really but being curious)
02:21<twb>somiaj: that matches my understanding
02:21<tuxd3v>somiaj, no, you should put what you need
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02:21<tuxd3v>otherwise you will not be able to get 4 zram devices
02:22<tuxd3v>do a 'modinfo zram'
02:22<tuxd3v>you will see it has a parameter
02:22<twb>tarzeau: the desktops were diskless. According to my telemetry, they spent about 50% of their time watch IPTV in vlc, and the rest mostly in chromium or (much less) playing games.
02:22<somiaj>tuxd3v: I'm saying the /etc/modules file doesn't work with options, just modules name, though I can't find any docs one way or another. All the examples in my system in /etc/modules-load.d/ don't include options
02:22<grawity>tuxd3v: yes, but the /etc/modules file doesn't take parameters *in general*
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02:23<grawity>tuxd3v: e.g. you can specify them in command-line with modprobe, but not in /etc/modules
02:23<tarzeau>twb: different kind of users, with different kind of data. i can understand it was not very helpful.
02:23<tuxd3v>somiaj, well, it worked for the last decades, why it will not work now?
02:23<twb>tuxd3v: modprobe is done by systemd now, so the script doing it changed in Debian 8->9
02:24<twb>tuxd3v: also, some modprobing is done by initramfs-tools
02:24<somiaj>hence you can either add the options to a file in /etc/modprobe.d/, or write a systemd one shot service for this use case
02:24<twb>foesn
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02:24<twb>doesn't zram have a sensible default anyway?
02:25<tarzeau>twb: not on debian
02:25<grawity>yes, 0
02:25<twb>grawity: haha
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02:25<grawity>I think you're supposed to dynamically add them using zramctl nowadays
02:25<grawity>a bit like with loop devices
02:25<twb>http://ix.io/3GKz yuk
02:25<tarzeau>grawity: exactly, and the zram-config package of ubuntu just does it, 0 config
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02:25<twb>grawity: ah right
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02:26<twb>(ITP - #991471) http://bugs.debian.org/991471 systemd-zram-generator
02:26<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/991471 in wnpp (open): «ITP: systemd-zram-generator -- Auto generator for zram devices to systemd service.»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2021-07-25; last modified: 2021-07-25.
02:27<tuxd3v>somiaj, I have a /etc/modprobe.d/zram.conf file
02:27<tuxd3v>with:
02:27<tuxd3v>options zram num_devices=4
02:27<tuxd3v>but it doesn't work :/
02:27<tuxd3v>I already tested
02:27<tuxd3v>it only works by hand on the console
02:27<tuxd3v>which is crazy :D
02:28<somiaj>what is the output of 'systemctl status systemd-modules-load.service'
02:29<twb>tuxd3v: lsinitramfs /initrd.img | grep -F zram
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02:30<tuxd3v>twb, etc/modprobe.d/zram.conf
02:30<tuxd3v>is there
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02:31<twb>OK so it's not the thing I thought it might be
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02:32<tuxd3v>somiaj, https://paste.debian.net/hidden/9f801cc5/
02:32<tuxd3v>it seems ok
02:33<somiaj>It should be telling you what moduels it loaded. Do you have any files in /etc/modules-load.d/
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02:33<grawity>to be sure, is /etc/modules-load.d/modules.conf still symlinked to /etc/modules?
02:33<tuxd3v>somiaj, https://paste.debian.net/hidden/9f801cc5/
02:33<tuxd3v>sorry
02:33<tuxd3v>/etc/modules-load.d/modules.conf -> ../modules
02:34<tuxd3v>it points to /etc/modules
02:34<tuxd3v>grawity, yes its symlinked
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02:36<tuxd3v>grawity, is there any problem with the symlink?
02:37<grawity>sudo SYSTEMD_LOG_LEVEL=debug /lib/systemd/systemd-modules-load
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02:39<tuxd3v>https://paste.debian.net/hidden/9d01ec37/
02:39<tuxd3v>grawity, ^^
02:39<tuxd3v>:)
02:39<tuxd3v>it fails
02:40<grawity>yeah it fails because, as you've been told *repeatedly*, /etc/modules doesn't accept parameters...
02:40<tuxd3v>grawity, how should I, then pass the parameters
02:40<tuxd3v>?
02:40<grawity>via modprobe.d!
02:41<tuxd3v>via modprobe.d doesn't work
02:41<tuxd3v>I also have there a file
02:41<tuxd3v>this thing in the past worked like expected
02:42<tuxd3v>If someone needs to pass parameters to the kernel module, it will have todo it :/
02:42<tuxd3v>its not a choice..
02:42<grawity>I'm literally using modprobe.d to pass parameters to modules loaded on boot on 7 different systems
02:43<tuxd3v>grawity, ok, so tell me what should I have in '/etc/modprobe.d/zram.conf'
02:44<grawity>you already have an /etc/modprobe.d/zram.conf
02:44<grawity>it's your /etc/modules that is wrong
02:44<tarzeau>if you don't get successfull here's my zram-config package including 2021 update: http://sid.ethz.ch/debian/zram-config/
02:44<tuxd3v>yes
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02:45<tuxd3v>grawity, in that file I have:
02:45<tuxd3v>options zram num_devices=4
02:46<somiaj>and what is in yoru /etc/modules file?
02:46<tuxd3v>somiaj, 'zram num_devices=4'
02:46*somiaj sighs
02:47<grawity>tuxd3v: go fix your /etc/modules to say 'zram' instead
02:47<somiaj>we have told you multiple times do not include options in that file
02:47<tuxd3v>ok, I will drop then the zram module from it
02:48<somiaj>that is not what we said
02:48<tuxd3v>tell me how will I create 4 zram blick devices without passing the argument for the module?
02:48<tuxd3v>its not the first time that zram exists
02:48<grawity>you *are* passing the argument for the module
02:49<tuxd3v>in the past it worked flawlessly
02:49<grawity>just not in the same file
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02:49<tuxd3v>grawity, so were should I pass it then..
02:49<tuxd3v>:D
02:49<grawity>it's almost like you're deliberately wasting my time
02:50<grawity>"zram" in /etc/modules, "options zram num_devices=4" in /etc/modprobe.d/zram.conf
02:50<grawity>that's it
02:50<tuxd3v>if I can't pass parameters to the kernel modules so that they work as expected, were should I pass them.
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02:50<tuxd3v>grawity, I already tested that, and doesn't work
02:50<tuxd3v>I can't pass zram alone
02:51<tuxd3v>it needs the parameters if not will create only 1 block device
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02:52<freq>tuxd3v: ?
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02:56<tuxd3v>if zram module had a alias, I could pass it on /etc/modules, but for what I understand in debian stable kernel
02:56<tuxd3v>5.10.46-5
02:56<freq>tuxd3v: come to #nerds and ask
02:56<tuxd3v>it doesn't have a kernel alias
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05:03<pupx>Hello. Ive tried to install stable release on my new ideapad 5 amd laptop but it couldnt even load the system. I got some kind of error due to missing firmware for amd gpu. So since I dont know how to install amd gpu firmware without OS loading first, I tried to install testing release, and it works fine, no tearing in videos, great. its only that during installing process I wasnt offered to set up root password but only the user password, so now I only have
05:03<pupx>user with sudo privleges, but what about root?
05:04<selckin>sudo su - => you ar enow root, change password if you want
05:05<pupx>ok lets see
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05:06<jm_>!firmware iso
05:06<dpkg>There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software, but otherwise identical to the normal installer images and prepared by the same Debian Developers. See <check iso>, <old firmware images>.
05:06<jm_>try using that installer image
05:06<pupx>oh I see, that is my root password too
05:07<pupx>ok thanx sleckin
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05:08<pupx>Thanks I'll try that installer image
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05:48<wyre_>hi guys, could I use dpkg to package python software according the setup.py?
05:49<jm_>have you consulted https://wiki.debian.org/Python#Encouraged_practices ?
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05:50<wyre_>no, but thank you jm_ I will take a look at it 😜
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07:25<sychill>Can anyone suggest an XMPP client that can handle OMEMO HTTP file uploads? Profanity is failing me but it's likely the stable version (0.10.0) is too old. I need to come up with a shortlist from this → chatty bitlbee dino-im gajim irssi-plugin-xmpp kaidan mcabber poezio psi sendxmpp xmppc
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07:26<maryjane_>dino-im is pretty cool and handles OMEMO well, gajim is also noice but more configurable
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07:28<sychill>since i'll use Profanity for most XMPP stuff, I guess I'm after the simplest/leanest alternative just for file uploads. Maybe i'll try Dino then
07:30<sychill>$ man dino → “No manual entry for dino-im” ← woah, that doesn’t conform to Debian quality rules.
07:31<sychill>all Debian pkgs must have a man page
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07:33<sychill>i expected the man page to tell me how to launch dino-im over a SOCKS4a proxy (or in the absence of such I would know that torsocks is needed)
07:36<maryjane_>sychill well it i seems that is not reported as a bug yet: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?repeatmerged=no&src=dino-im
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07:37<sychill>i'm not sure it will work for me either. I used it to upload a file, but in Snikket the file had no padlock.. IOW, dino-im sends files in-the-clear (not good). That should have come with a warning.
07:39<sychill>ah, nvm.. OMEMO has to be selected
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07:44<maryjane_>that also
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08:29<dreamer>hmz, I have an application that needs xdg-desktop-portal in order to present native file browser. I now have xdg-desktop-portal installed and running, however the application still doesn't show the filebrowser. what's the best way to debug this? (I'm not using a typical DE as I'm on fluxbox)
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08:32<bremner>do you also have some file browser installed that xdg-desktop-portal knows about?
08:32<bremner>my experience with xdg-open was that it was kindof broken outside gnome or kde. YMMV
08:32<dreamer>yes, it has worked at some point in the past weeks
08:33<dreamer>I just don't know how to make it work reliably ..
08:33<bremner>well, if you are running debian stable, things should not have changed much in that interval
08:34<dreamer>I'm on 11 yes
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08:35<dreamer>in dbus-monitor I see this when I try to open the filebrowser in the application: https://paste.debian.net/1221656/ (don't know if helpful)
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10:32<corrado>hi there, is "early kdump" available on debian as it is on RHEL?
10:32<corrado>https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/8/html/managing_monitoring_and_updating_the_kernel/using-early-kdump-to-capture-boot-time-crashes_managing-monitoring-and-updating-the-kernel
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10:32<corrado> Kernel crashes during the booting phase occur when the kdump service is not yet started, and cannot facilitate capturing and saving the contents of the crashed kernel’s memory. Therefore, the vital information for troubleshooting is lost. To address this problem, RHEL 8 introduced the early kdump feature as a part of the kdump service.
10:33<corrado>unfortunately, random kernel panics at boot time is what I am experiencing...
10:33<corrado>https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/679883/randomly-occurring-kernel-panics-at-boot
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11:17<dreamer>bremner: hmm. I found a workaround. seems that when I start evince it also starts a bunch of other things (including xdg-desktop-portal even thouh it was already running) and after this the native filebrowser does appear ..
11:17<dreamer>kind of weird (and slow), to use this way, but it does work ..
11:18<bremner>hmm. I wonder if it is related to a user dbus session or some such thing.
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11:19<dreamer>maybe, I do start fluxbox using `exec dbus-launch fluxbox`
11:19<dreamer>and other dbus services do work
11:19<dreamer>and on my laptop it also works fine
11:19<dreamer>which is also a debian 11 system running fluxbox ..
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11:19<dreamer>actually there I just launch it with `exec fluxbox` .. hmm
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11:31<enigma9o7[m]>Hello. I'm tryiing to learn how to package something I built from source (on bullseye). I'm new at this so just following instructions step by step and found this tutorial https://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/packaging-new-software.html and didn't get very far, as pretty much the first command they suggest doesn't work.
11:31<enigma9o7[m]>http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-61a8f4987669d5.00809839.jpg
11:31<enigma9o7[m]>So, I'm either looking for a better tutorial reccommendation, or idea why it doesn't work as expected...
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11:32<xnaas>If you're packaging for Debian, I'd assume that https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging and all of its links would be the best place to start.
11:33<bremner>enigma9o7[m]: there is #packaging or (for contributing to Debian proper) #debian-mentors
11:35<enigma9o7[m]>Ok thanks much.
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11:42<scorpion2185[m]>have you ever seen an .Xresources file?
11:43<bremner>uh, yes?
11:43<scorpion2185[m]>enigma9o7: the debian handbook explains it quickly for all info maint-guide
11:43<scorpion2185[m]>can you share it? I am looking for custom corners actions
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11:44<bremner>I don't know what that means.
11:44<enigma9o7[m]>Yeah Im going thru the 89 page pdf. Just got to the part where I actually start doing what I want, and seems they use dh_make directly without that bzr around it so about to try it.
11:44<scorpion2185[m]>bremner: can you share an .Xresources file?
11:45<bremner>I have a hard time believing my .Xresources file will help you with anything.
11:45<keir>scorpion2185[m]: what are "custom corners actions"
11:45<scorpion2185[m]>enigma9o7: for me the handbook was all I needed. a bash script
11:45<enigma9o7[m]>click in corner?
11:45<scorpion2185[m]>man xautolock
11:45<enigma9o7[m]>my desktop has that and I set it to minimize in bottom right, as had gotten habit of that already
11:46<enigma9o7[m]>but do that thru my desktop, not thru x
11:46<enigma9o7[m]>i mean not thru x directly
11:46<scorpion2185[m]>KDE, Cinnamon corner actions?
11:46<scorpion2185[m]>xautolock should achieve that
11:46<keir>scorpion2185[m]: that's not default to X so it's not going to be in a random .Xresources file you ask to see
11:47<scorpion2185[m]>I never saw one I also searched on duckduck
11:48<scorpion2185[m]>"hot corners" is a better name?
11:49<scorpion2185[m]>bremner: what your file does?
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11:49<keir>.Xresources is just a config file. if someone hasn't A) got a programme installed that does hot corners, and B) uses .Xresources for config, then it's not going to be relevant
11:49<bremner>that's like asking "what does your .bashrc do"
11:50<scorpion2185[m]>i was curious
11:50<keir>curious about what?
11:50<scorpion2185[m]>that file
11:51*keir throws a table
11:51<enigma9o7[m]>if you want a copy of mine, i'm happy to share for your curiosity, where is it?
11:51<scorpion2185[m]>(and I was looking for hot corner config in that file)
11:51<scorpion2185[m]>home like .bash
11:51<enigma9o7[m]>but unlikely to find anythin guseful in it
11:51<keir>scorpion2185[m]: hot corners has nothing to do with .Xresources
11:52<enigma9o7[m]>I dont even have ~/.Xresources myself.
11:52<somiaj>you also do not need one to define what xautolock does in the corners.
11:52<scorpion2185[m]>me too
11:53<scorpion2185[m]>does xautolock do something not configurable so?
11:53<mooff>how can we search apt by tags?
11:53<keir>scorpion2185[m]: https://github.com/search?l=&q=filename%3A.Xresources&type=code
11:53<mooff>(sorry to step over chat, i usually check timestamps & wait)
11:53<keir>scorpion2185[m]: you'll need to be logged into GitHub
11:54<bremner>or just read https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/x_resources
11:54<scorpion2185[m]>>RESOURCES corners Specifies the corner behaviour, as explained above.
11:54<scorpion2185[m]> Resources can be specified in your ~/.Xresources or ~/.Xdefaults
11:54<somiaj>You can do everything you want by using the --foo options of xautolock
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11:55<keir>scorpion2185[m]: yes that's because xautolock uses that file for config. urxvt and xterm also use .Xresources for config
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11:56<somiaj>And it isn't needed. Just look at all the various --corner options
11:57<scorpion2185[m]>where? man page says 0000 is nothing
11:58<keir>somiaj: i'm not sure they understand what Xresources is. it seems they're assuming it's a config file just for xautolock
11:58<scorpion2185[m]>ah in the description above there is more
11:58<somiaj>Yea, it is also an XY problem. It isn't needed in this case.
11:58<keir>that also
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12:00<scorpion2185[m]>can xautolock hotcorner only start the locker?as a custom action
12:01<somiaj>Also .Xresources isn't a normal config file that is read at boot, they would also have to learn to use xrdb to modify the resources each time they change them
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12:01<sney>mooff: debtags, though aptitude can do it too, and there's a web interface https://debtags.debian.org/search/
12:01<somiaj>I mean read at program start, using the --foo options would be preferable in this case when experimenting
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12:01<ankur>ggg
12:02<ankur>hello everyone
12:02<somiaj>sney: I was surprized apt-patterns didn't include tags...
12:02<scorpion2185[m]>so only lock right? thanks
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12:06<sney>somiaj: I just tested it in case they just forgot to put it in the man page, and you're right, that would have been handy
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12:11<nicoz>hi, I don’t know how ssh set to setuid, I can’t get setuid off
12:11<nicoz>i try chmod u-s /usr/bin/ssh
12:12<nicoz>but torify always tells me that it cannot start ssh because it is in setuid
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12:13<nicoz>ERROR: ssh is setuid. torsocks will not work on a setuid executable.
12:13<nicoz>-rwx--xr-x 1 0 0 797480 13 mar 2021 /usr/bin/ssh
12:14<imMute>/usr/bin/ssh isn't setuid. so that means torsocks is using a different ssh executable
12:14<imMute>(or the check is just broken)
12:15<nicoz>I know it’s not setuid
12:15<nicoz>uhm
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12:15<bremner>I guess you could try strace
12:17<nicoz>if I do torify /usr/bin/ssh user@host -p port
12:17<nicoz>work
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12:18<scorpion2185[m]>why doesn't lxsession-logout use my i3 custom command?
12:18<scorpion2185[m]>*i3lock for lockscreen
12:19<imMute>nicoz: what command doesn't work?
12:19<nicoz>torify ssh user@host -p port (don't work)
12:20<nicoz>torify /usr/bin/ssh user@host -p port (work)
12:20<bremner>"command -v ssh"
12:20<imMute>sounds like it's using a different ssh executable then. I'd do what bremner said and use strace to see what ssh file torify is opening.
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12:29<nicoz>Is it possible he’s taking the firejail executable?
12:31<scorpion2185[m]>is there some hot corners app? I found xidle "edge sensitivity" was hard to find
12:31<scorpion2185[m]>> run program after inactivity or edge sensitive
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12:34<nicoz>lrwxrwxrwx 1 0 0 17 17 apr 2021 /usr/local/bin/ssh -> /usr/bin/firejail
12:35<nicoz>this is a problem imMute
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12:35<imMute>ah, there you go. /usr/local/bin must be earlier in your $PATH and that's what torify is finding and firejail must be setuid
12:38<nicoz>do you propose to do chmod u-s /usr/bin/firejail ?
12:38<nicoz>and /usr/local/bin/ssh
12:38<nicoz>?
12:39<imMute>no. I'd tell torify to use /usr/bin/ssh instead of just ssh, since that's the one you want.
12:39<bremner>well, /usr/local/bin/ssh is not created by debian. So maybe you don't need that?
12:39<bremner>is it something you actively use?
12:40<nicoz>I use it as a client, I need it to connect to my vps
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12:49<Peter77>Hello, i have a small question. I the Debian Repository Page, it looks like the non-free repository is also a official supported and shipped repository from debian. Is this correct? same as the contrib Repo?
12:50<dbristow>Is this the official #debian channel, or is there one on Libera.Chat as well?
12:50<enigma9o7[m]>This is official, and there's a channel there too.
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12:51<dbristow>enigma9o7[m], Ahh.
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12:52<koollman>Peter77: this is correct
12:53<Peter77>thanks koollman, is it also correct that in the non-free repos are all multimedia codecs like h.264 and others i need for a fully functional multimedia desktop? or do i need another repo for this?
12:53<koollman>Peter77: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html
12:54<koollman>this, I do not know precisely. I don't use debian on desktop anymore
12:54<enigma9o7[m]>debian proper has quite a number of codecs, but ocassiaonally you might run into something not supported already.
12:54<enigma9o7[m]>There is an official multimedia repo some people add.... i think it was more relevant many years ago but thats just my impression....
12:56<Peter77>well in this link you posted, it says that debian supports the use and gives the infrastructure, but not that the packages are maintained from the same team as debian?
12:57<Peter77>Packages in the other archive areas (contrib, non-free) are not considered to be part of the Debian distribution, although we support their use and provide infrastructure for them (such as our bug-tracking system and mailing lists).
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13:15<Sqrt{Not}>Peter77, there is not just one "same team" maintaining things. Even the official free parts of debian are maintainted by individual teams. packages.debian.org and tracker.debian.org can give you more information for any individual package you are curious about
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13:18<Sqrt{Not}>Peter77, there is also this advice about dmo:
13:18<Sqrt{Not}>%dmo
13:18<dselect>We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm bullseye>, <dmm buster>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>.
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13:20<Sqrt{Not}>(to explore those further bot factoids, you can type, for example: "/msg dpkg dmm bullseye" and then look for an off-channel reply from the bot
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13:27<SZO>Hey I have a question regarding making an installable .img of debian. If I have a raspi and I created an os that runs just the way I like it and I want to make a .img of it that I can reinstall at a later time if it breaks is it as simple as using DD?
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13:30<SZO>like dd if=/dev/sda of=/tmp/debian.img bs=2048 status=progress. That will make an entire image of the whole drive, but how can I make it for just the filesystem to install to different sized SD cards
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13:30<somiaj>Depends on how portable you want the image. dd works but sometimes you want particulars of the image to not be exact copies (such as file system size, and so on)
13:31<Peter77>thanks Sqrt{Not} for the reply
13:31<SZO>I'm not so sure what to google, most of the results I get are for full disk backups
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13:38<somiaj>SZO: There is lots of variety, but you could maybe instead of making an image of the full disk, just make an image of the root filesystem
13:38<somiaj>SZO: it really depends on if you want the full partition table as part of your image or not
13:39<SZO>Well I need it to work with any SD card size so that anyone can use it. I assume for it to be bootable it would need the full partition table right?
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13:47<imMute>in that situatiuon I'd probably set it up with a really small SD card and just image the whole thing. then copy the image to a larger SD card and expand the partition and filesystem to suit (possibly even scripted)
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13:51<SZO>Thing is the people that would be installing the .img arent capable of doing that so it would be a bit of a headache. When I download the debian .img for raspi's for example, how do those images get configured to be installed on different sd cards
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13:54<blast007>SZO: https://github.com/Drewsif/PiShrink
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13:55<SZO>this looks handy Ill give it a shot right now, thankyou
13:56<blast007>(that assumes the OS on the Pi has the raspi-config tool installed)
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14:51<SZO>Well I had armbian installed and I used this tool and it shrunk my image from 16gb to 4gb and I installed it on a fresh sd and it worked but the file system didnt expand.
14:51<SZO>So yes I think thats probably the issue
14:52<somiaj>I think you'll have to manually extend the file system, or as I mentioned maybe just have / be a static size, and have /home be a second file system you just build and then copy backups into place
14:52<somiaj>there are various ways to clone an install. Images are the most exact clone, but also the most restirctive
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16:57<g00se>cat /etc/resolv.conf is wrong and doesn't accord with resolvectl status. I can't resolve LAN names
16:58*g00se thought at one point it was something to do with having had unbound installed, but that package is now purged
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17:01<sney>I don't use resolved but I think you're still trying to combine multiple resolvers
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17:02<sney>if you're committed to using resolved, make sure you read https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-resolved.service.html# and the linked resolved.conf(5)
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17:09<g00se>Well i'm not, i wasn't really aware of having it in buster and am not sure why I have it now. *Possibly* something to do with wireguard (?)
17:10<sney>'resolvectl status' is only to do with systemd-resolved, so either decide to use it, or decide not to
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17:11<g00se>The problem is /etc/resolv.conf. It's wrong
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17:16<g00se>sney: I'll do a test. I'm going to disable that service and reboot and see what happens
17:16<mason>g00se: Do you have a recent pastebin of your resolv.conf? Am I remembering one from yesterday where you had three nameservers in it?
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17:16<mason>g00se: the systemd resolver only matters if you're pointing to it, in which case your resolv.conf would point to 127.0.0.53 or something equally cute
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17:16<g00se>mason: well remembered. I think that mess was actually caused by wireguard and was actually on a different box
17:17<mason>ah
17:17<mason>g00se: Can we see this current one?
17:17<g00se>nameserver 127.0.2.1
17:17<sney>it's common for vpn scripts to designate their own dns servers so you don't get any leakage
17:17<sney>sometimes this doesn't work super well, but it's justified
17:17<mason>g00se: What's listening on that, port 53?
17:18<g00se>It's quite a muddle, because this box had this problem *before* i enabled wireguard, which is now running
17:18<g00se>I'll check
17:18<mason>g00se: sudo netstat -nap | grep 127.0.2.1:53
17:19<mason>or similar
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17:19<g00se>init(!)
17:20<mason>g00se: Well, of course! Why wouldn't init be listening?
17:20<mason>Sorry, I'll stamp down the trolling.
17:20<g00se>Everything's init innit?
17:21<mason>heh
17:22<mason>g00se: So, you can always use resolvconf and drive things with that. You can also do things like plug BIND into resolvconf such that it switches you to it when that starts. All kinds of options beyond just plain listing name servers in resolv.conf.
17:22<mason>g00se: Your best bet might be to step away from the computer and with a pad of paper write down all the sources of DNS you care about and then plan for how you want all of them to be available.
17:23<mason>(and when, etc)
17:23<g00se>Mighty confusing. I just sudo systemctl disable systemd-resolved.service. And I'm going to reboot. BRB
17:24*g00se enabled that service to get around the following error "Failed to get global data: Unit dbus-org.freedesktop.resolve1.service not found"
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17:26<mason>Oh, he left before he could learn that he probably needs to mask it to really keep it from showing up.
17:27<enigma9o7[m]>hmmm what if opposed to masks
17:27<mason>There's little hope for anyone opposed to masks.
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17:27<g00se>Disabling systemd-resolved made no difference at all
17:28<mason>g00se: Ah, you're back. Note that lots of services will fire up anyway for various reasons. Might need to mask it. But I'm not wholly convinced I know what's going on with that - I don't use it, here.
17:29<sussudio>like you could even disable anything systemd. it's pid 1.
17:29<g00se>Isn't it weird that init is listed as a DNS process? I can't exactly kill it can i...
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17:29<sney>that's what the systemd part of systemd-resolved means
17:29<sney>it's a component, and thus...
17:29<mason>g00se: Well. Debian still ships sysvinit and it still works fine, but I won't recommend that to you as your first option.
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17:30<sney>it's unlikely that init system scorched earth is really needed to fix a dns problem
17:30<g00se>I suppose it means that it's really systemd, yes. But that's really lame
17:30<sney>you're the one who enabled it to get rid of a random log squawk
17:31<g00se>But it's now DISabled
17:31<g00se>But there's also dnscrypt-proxy-resolvconf.service and resolvconf.service
17:31<sney>and that's where 'mask' comes in
17:32<sney>resolvconf is a separate thing, which may be what was mangling resolv.conf in the first place
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17:34<mason>g00se: Don't know if this'll be useful for you or not, but my set-up here is that I feed resolv.conf via ifupdown/resolvconf, but when I fire up a VPN, that brings up BIND, and BIND uses resolvconf to shim itself in as my sole nameserver. BIND in this role knows how to find information from the various sources I care about. It's a few moving parts, but it works without drama.
17:37<g00se>OK thanks. But this smells wrong to me. DNS shouldn't get this borked. And I shouldn't be in the dark about what IS providing that (useless for LAN) DNS
17:38<dreamer>35
17:38<dreamer>woeps, sry
17:38<sney>dns is a bit archaic and easily breakable
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17:38<sney>but the main issue here is stil being unclear on how it's being handled
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17:39<g00se>I certainly am. Then there's NetworkManager too
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17:40*g00se might have to grep the systemd files
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17:42<dev>hi! trying to get phpggadmin to work. I was following this guide. Kind of was confused as couldn't see which step exactly connected (made listening) webserver to psql. I also copied php files from /usr/share/phpggadmin to /var/www/html to check if site's ok and it works. But it's not listening to psql i think
17:42<dev>i was following this https://www.server-world.info/en/note?os=Debian_10&p=postgresql&f=2
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17:44<dev>could it be because I'm on 11 ?
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17:46<sney>the webserver shouldn't be talking to psql directly, it'll be configured in your php application, and you'd have to make sure that the listening postgres server matches that configuration
17:46<sarnold>dev: what do you mean by "listen to psql"?
17:46<sney>(whether it's tcp or unix sock etc)
17:46<g00se>Looks like it's something to do with dnscrypt
17:47<dev>meaning how would psql know that it must be connected with that site?
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17:47<dev>currently it's just website on /var/www/ which has no relation to psql at all.. not sure how to connect those two
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17:49<sney>the config.inc.php and pg_hba.conf mentioned in that doc you linked are how you connect them
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17:49<sney>and then you just make sure your webserver is configured to handle php, whether that's apache mod-php or nginx with php-fpm or whatever
17:50<sney>I suppose in this case it's the former
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17:58<dev>huh.. i pretty much copied as in that guide. Now I can't start psql
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18:00<dev>i also searching results for ... connections on Unix domain socket "/var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432"?
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18:00<dev>haven't found solution that works for me
18:02<dev>log says FATAL: could not load pg_hba.conf
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18:02<dev>so, that guide is bullshit
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18:04<dev>oh wait
18:04<dev>i doubled two lines
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18:09<dev>it's bullshit anywa
18:09<dev>y
18:09<dev>Require local
18:09<dev>Invalid connection type: Require
18:10<dev>nice
18:10<dev>got it to work! :)
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18:17<sussudio>miracolix the disconnection puppet cycles through anonymous vpn ip's...
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18:32<sussudio>they've been doing this since august and don't even talk in here, just like betelgeuse9.
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18:37<tuxd3v>!paste
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18:39<enyc>sussudio: curious, I've seen betlegeuse or similar betlegese or something on another network a lot lately, wondering where they went, o well!
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18:55<SanchoPiensa>Hey, guys!
18:57<johan>0/
18:57<SanchoPiensa>I am in the process of installing Debian onto the HP Probook 450 G6 pf a friend of mine, when I ran into some Windows nuisances. Like a secure boot, that wants to prevent me from booting from a debian live stick. For obvious "security reasons".
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18:57<johan>Diable it int the bios/uefi?
18:57<SanchoPiensa>Now, I have tried to disable secure boot in UEFI, but there is just no option to do so.
18:57<SanchoPiensa>Or at least, and I tried really hard, I can't find any.
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18:58<SanchoPiensa>johan: right? But what if you can't?
18:58<johan>Is uefi in simple or advanced mode?
18:58<SanchoPiensa>johan: I believe, I don't even have that distinction as an option...?
18:59<k-man>with the way gnome is themed in debian. if i have a terminal with a black background it is very hard to see the edge of the terminal when it is on top of another terminal window
18:59<k-man>i like dark background terminals. what is the solution to this?
19:00<SanchoPiensa>johan: I have four main menu options tabs, those are "main", "Security", "Advanced" and "Uefi Drivers".
19:00<SanchoPiensa>there is no "legacy" option in my boot options either.
19:00<Sqrt{Not}>SanchoPiensa, the live system can boot in secure UEFI mode.
19:00<Sqrt{Not}>%secure boot
19:00<dselect>Beginning with buster, the very basic bootloader (the "shim") is built by Debian and signed by Verisign/Microsoft with their key that is commonly preloaded on vendor firmwares (and is also used to sign the windows bootloader); the shim ships the debian trust root, and grub, the kernel, and the kernel modules for secure boot are signed with a Debian key -- see https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot
19:01<bremner>is there a naming convention I can use for locally created uses that guarantees avoiding collisions with debian system users?
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19:01<Sqrt{Not}>SanchoPiensa, have you made sure the windows fast startup thing is disabled?
19:02<SanchoPiensa>Sqrt{Not}: how do I know?
19:02<Sqrt{Not}>%fast boot
19:02<dselect>Windows fast startup is enabled by default and will interfere with a dual-boot linux installation, and risks damaging the Windows filesystems during dual boot. Disable it with the instructions here: https://www.windowscentral.com/how-disable-windows-10-fast-startup See this section of the buster installation guide: https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch03s06.en.html#disable-fast-boot
19:03<SanchoPiensa>Sqrt{Not}: Aaaah! Light into the darkness! Very much appreciated!
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19:04<Sqrt{Not}>yeah, IF that is still turned on, it will interfere in many ways
19:04<SanchoPiensa>Sqrt{Not}: I will read aup and report back!
19:04<SanchoPiensa>Sqrt{Not}: so I understand... :)
19:04<johan>Under the security menu the last menu option should be Secure Boot Configuration. Good luck
19:04<SanchoPiensa>brb "in a minute".
19:05<SanchoPiensa>johan: that is exactly the one, that isn't there...
19:05<miracolix>good morning
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19:05<miracolix>now it is 1 o'clock you still can't write a good morning
19:06<SanchoPiensa>Sqrt{Not}: wait a minute... It says, fast-track is the Algorithm, that is responisble for hibernating windows...?
19:08<Sqrt{Not}>SanchoPiensa, I have disabled it on several windows boxes. It is similar to hibernating -- it pretends to shut down, but actually save some state in the RAM so it can "boot" faster when you turn it back on.
19:09<Sqrt{Not}>SanchoPiensa, another question: what live image exactly are you using (the name of the .iso file) AND how did you write it onto your USB stick?
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19:12<SanchoPiensa>Sqrt{Not}: it is a oldstable image, created to debians official instructions for live sticks.
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19:14<SanchoPiensa>Sqrt{Not}: thanks for the explanation, the I got it right. Problem is, what do you do, if you just don't have the UEFI options to disable it?
19:15<SanchoPiensa>Sqrt{Not}: yet another dimension of complexity: I just read, that I could disable fast-startup from within Windows.
19:15<SanchoPiensa>Unfortunately he hasn't been given the admin pwd...
19:15<SanchoPiensa>What ever happened to plug, format and install? :D
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19:15<SanchoPiensa>I mean, this is ridiculous!
19:15<Sqrt{Not}>you MUST disable the fast startup within windows, it's the only way
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19:16<Sqrt{Not}>If the USB is written exactly properly, the UEFI system should accept it as a legal boot target.
19:17<SanchoPiensa>Sqrt{Not}: that would imply, that he'd be locked out of the system for good.
19:17<SanchoPiensa>I mean, he bought that note from a friend.
19:17<SanchoPiensa>he knows, how to log in, but then he is more the "type user", if you catch my drift.
19:18<SanchoPiensa>so, it never occurred to him to ask for the admin pwd, because he just kept using it exactly the way it was.
19:19<SanchoPiensa>so, can it be, that you can never again setup a hp laptop, if you don't know the windows pwd?
19:19<Sqrt{Not}>SanchoPiensa, so tell me please, exactly what "debians official instructions for live sticks" did you follow to write your USB?
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19:19<SanchoPiensa>Sqrt{Not}: well... Did I mention, that it is a stick with oldstable?
19:20<SanchoPiensa>It's been a while, in other words...
19:20<SanchoPiensa>something about dd-ing the image onto the stick, if I remember properly
19:22<Sqrt{Not}>dpkg will give a link to the current stable install manual, if you are using some oldstable installer, you can s/bullseye/buster/ in the URL
19:22<dpkg>Sqrt{Not}: what are you talking about?
19:22<Sqrt{Not}>!install manual
19:22<dpkg>The Installation Guide for Debian 11 "Bullseye" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/installmanual . See also <errata> and <bullseye release notes>.
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19:28<SanchoPiensa>Sqrt{Not}: so, you are saying, that the actual problem is really with a faulty authentication of the stick?
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19:28<SanchoPiensa>I mean, yeah, I CAN of course download a newer version, and create a new stick, sure worth a try...
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19:31<Sqrt{Not}>Well, all recent debian USB images, if written correctly to the USB, are "hybrid" images, that will work in BIOS boot or UEFI boot, include "secure" UEFI boot.
19:32<Sqrt{Not}>I'm saying you should not need to disable secure UEFI boot. maybe some other menu choices need exploring?
19:34<Sqrt{Not}>I'm also saying that some of the popular USB writing utilities actually alter the first part of the image as they write it to the media, and it is no longer a working "hybrid" boot image.
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19:43<Sqrt{Not}>SanchoPiensa, The debian wiki has some notes from HP probook 440 G5 https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/HP
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19:56<SanchoPiensa>thanks, Sqrt{Not}! Realizing that this has potential to spin out of control, like into a mediocre dissertation, I think, I will call it a day, and carry on tomorrow...
19:56<SanchoPiensa>Thanks for the info and the links so far!
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20:03<arifendronugroho>debian 10.10 -= buster =- linux 5.4.139 ...
20:03<tuxd3v>hello, Wesnoth 1.16.0 is out :)
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20:10<Sqrt{Not}>SanchoPiensa, OK, sounds good. I've solved some odd computer problems in dreams, so it might help!
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20:11<anon8947>When I preseeded my VM, its iface name was ens3, and now it's enp1s0. How'd that happen?
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20:14<sarnold>anon8947: I've seen the 'stable' interface names change sometimes on kernel updates, eg a newer driver exposes more features of the nic, etc. I don't think I'd expect that with virtio nics, but maybe ..
20:14<anon8947>So switching from bios OVMF.fd to pflash could do it?
20:15<sarnold>oh yeah, that sounds like a pretty plausible thing
20:17<mason>sarnold: There's some history with virtual NICs changing.
20:19<sarnold>mason: which is a bit hilarious, since half the point of these things is that the old names weren't reliable. sigh :)
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20:21<mason>Hm, backing bug's not public, but https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/html/7.3_release_notes/bug_fixes_general_updates has an example of predictable naming changing opinions between OS releases.
20:23<sarnold>here's one for mellanox; not really a VM thing :) but still https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1940860
20:24<sarnold>"enoX where X is more than 16383" hah
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20:48<anon8947>Meh, to hell with the EFI mode, breaks a lot of stuff.
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22:34<yanmaani>has anyone researched using BitTorrent for updates? seems like it'd save a lot of BW and improve perfomance
22:35<tuxd3v>finally, debian unstable has acceleration via VAAPI for gcn2 cards :)
22:35<tuxd3v>only h264, but better than nothing..also it is usefull if you want to do Screen recrding video..nice!
22:35<keir>yanmaani: i'm sure you've asked this before
22:36<tuxd3v>now.. how much we will wait to have it in debian stable?
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22:38<k-man>firefox+wayland has a bug that hangs for a moment the other app when you paste out of ff into the other app: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/merge_requests/4058
22:38<yanmaani>keir: yeah but I didn't get an answer. There's a page on the debian wiki about it but not really updated
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22:46<sarnold>I think bittorrent wouldn't really be able to compete with a high-end CDN
22:48<yanmaani>sarnold: Why's that?
22:49<yanmaani>In theory, you can connect high-end CDNs to BitTorrent if you want. But I think the main gain is for smaller repos.
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22:53<sarnold>yanmaani: because connecting to the existing infrastructure will involve one, maybe two, http connections, with the usual three-way-handshake latency. once that latency has been spent, you'll get a really reliable, consistent, download speed from them, probably it'll do a good job saturating whatever network connection you've got
22:54<sarnold>yanmaani: my experience with bittorrent is that it takes a while to even find all the peers that are participating; quite a lot of peers in usual torrents are behind NAT firewall machines that allow them to initiate connections but not receive connections; attempts to contact those machines will just hang until the client decides it's unreachable and moves on. that will take five seconds? ten seconds?
22:55<sarnold>yanmaani: how many other clients would you contact at once? ten? twenty? one hundred? each one has overhead, etc..
22:56<sarnold>yanmaani: if you get stuck with a one megabyte block from someone on a 1.5 mbps DSL line, you might spend more time downloading that one block from that person than the entire time to update off of the cdn. and that's one block.
22:57<sarnold>yanmaani: clients come and go, end user machines get suspended, reboot, routers hang, neighborhoods lose power, etc. client connections are way less reliable than commercial CDNs spread across dozens of datacenters with hundreds of interconnect points
22:59<yanmaani>sarnold: in my experience, the CDNs can sometimes be quite slow on a bad day
22:59<yanmaani>also, it can get one block from several sources - they're not that stupid generally
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23:09<yanmaani>but yeah, I guess that's a fair point - if cdns work, why the need for bt
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23:19<anon8947>yanmaani: The main issue I see with bittorrent is the lack of support for versioning or updates.
23:20<anon8947>yanmaani: This seems like something dat:// https://dat.foundation/ would be better suited for.
23:22<anon8947>CDNs have the issue of requiring money.
23:24<yanmaani>dat is a cryptocurrency scheme
23:25<anon8947>Is it?
23:25<yanmaani>actually, bittorrent does have marketing
23:25<yanmaani>uh, I mean
23:25<yanmaani>it has updates
23:25<yanmaani>but it doesn't have a marketing budget
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23:25<anon8947>Afaik dat's base protocol requires no crypto bullshit.
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23:26<anon8947>yanmaani: You're telling me the torrent protocol supports updates for torrent files that don't involve creating an entirely new torrent?
23:27<yanmaani>anon8947: nope, but it's a marketing scheme :) just like IPFS
23:28<yanmaani>no, you make a new torrent, but there's ways of distributing them using bittorrent
23:28<yanmaani>one sec
23:28<anon8947>feed-url requires out of band servers.
23:29<anon8947>IPFS likewise doesn't require crypto bullshit.
23:29<anon8947>That's also incidentally why Maidsafe is doomed to failure from the start. It made it an inherent part of its design.
23:29<yanmaani>see https://www.bittorrent.org/beps/bep_0049.html
23:29<yanmaani>or https://www.bittorrent.org/beps/bep_0046.html
23:30<yanmaani>IPFS is a marketing scheme for Filecoin, you have to contend with that
23:30<yanmaani>for one, it puts the incentive to cripple it so you'll buy more of their crypto
23:30<anon8947>yanmaani: I barely even heard of Filecoin in the past, and when I looked it seemed pretty worthless.
23:31<anon8947>IPFS has less privacy measures on the data storage than Freenet
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23:42<yanmaani>IPFS is even more worthless lol
23:43<anon8947>That was my point. IPFS is useful solely for stuff you want no privacy for.
23:43<anon8947>And as a protocol it is generally inferior to dat.
23:44<anon8947>Unfortunately dat apparently lacks a full implementation in anything other than JS which eww...
23:44<yanmaani>got this while updating:
23:44<yanmaani>Can't exec "/tmp/cryptsetup-initramfs.config.JYulQ8": Permission denied at /usr/share/perl/5.28/IPC/Open3.pm line 178.
23:44<yanmaani>dangerous?
23:44<yanmaani>What does dat improve on over BT?
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23:46<anon8947>yanmaani: If one were to actually implement the BEPs (which I've never seen implemented before), not all that much.
23:46<yanmaani>I think libtorrent - the most common library - has most of them
23:47<anon8947>I've yet to see a single client supporting dht-updated signed torrents
23:48<yanmaani>What do you do if the update takes more space than you have free? Possible to do it piecemeal?
23:49<anon8947>yanmaani: Downloading only parts of torrents is already supported by most clients.
23:51<yanmaani> oh no, I mean for apt :P
23:52<anon8947>Oh. Right. That's... a bit problematic. Is there anything you can remove?
23:52<anon8947>Running "apt clean" to clear old cached packages can sometimes help too.
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23:54<anon8947>> Before a BEP can be considered Final, all people (including the BEP authors) or entities with a claim on the intellectual property expressed in a BEP must assign in writing all intellectual property expressed in the BEP to the public domain. If the BEP authors lack the power to assign intellectual property rights then they must disclose this fact before the BEP can be considered
23:54<anon8947>Final. | Ah. The usual deanonymizing cannot-contribute clause.
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23:55<anon8947>yanmaani: If you're running btrfs on the full filesystem, you could also get away with recompressing in place.
23:55<yanmaani>I think you can send them in anonymously?
23:55<yanmaani>nope, good ol ext4
23:56<anon8947>Hm, no luck with that one.
23:56<yanmaani>my idea is that I'll just bring them in a few at a time
23:56<yanmaani>but it wants to do absurd stuff
23:56<yanmaani>like if I want to upgrade sqlite3
23:56<yanmaani>this means clang has to be removed
23:56<yanmaani>as well as libreoffice!
23:57<anon8947>Wat? Shouldn't it also be updating those then?
23:58<yanmaani>apparently noe!
23:58<anon8947>That's weird.
23:58<anon8947>Try fetching updates again? Because sounds like you've got a broken/conflicting dependencies situation.
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