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---Logopened Sat Dec 04 00:00:30 2021
00:01<sney>you can always try a 'dpkg-reconfigure' because if it does anything, it'll give you an option to cancel
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00:44<jim>sney, ok good point, thanks
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01:26<stephen>Hi guys, does anybody have idea about installing librewolf in debian 11? I found that there's many conflicts among many dependencies
01:30<sney>,i librewolf
01:30<judd>No package named 'librewolf' was found in bullseye/amd64.
01:30<sney>3rd party vendors are often not careful about targeting more than one distro
01:31<sney>you will probably have to talk to their support if you can't get it figured out
01:31<sney>but if apt wants to remove something, sometimes you can let it, and then reinstall the thing again later
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01:34<stephen>I've checked, nothing needs to autoremove
01:34<knghtbrd>sney: they target every distribution that matters! Ubuntu AND Arch!
01:35<sney>heh
01:35<knghtbrd>librewolf is also kind of annoying to build yourself
01:35<sney>stephen: I didn't say autoremove. if you try to install your package and apt says "the following packages will be removed" to satisfy the conflict, if that list is non-destructive, sometimes you can just let it.
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01:36<sney>and then clean up later
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01:38<stephen>snay: Oh, I got it.
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01:50<test>hello world
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04:02<colo>are there any guidelines or hints for independent application developers to follow, that would make packaging their software easier for Debian developers?
04:04<msk>https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/
04:05<azeem>colo: 1. don't use a fringe build or hand-rolled build system
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04:07<jim>I'm considering to get this pci card: 3ware 9550SX-4LP 64-bit/133MHz PCI-X SATA II (3.0Gb/s) Raid Controller Card, is there a way to find out if the driver is present in a debian installation without having the card yet?
04:08<ydbi>jim: what's the pciid?
04:08<jim>I don't know (I don't have the card yet)
04:08<ydbi>hmm. That's the only way I know how to check
04:08<jim>how could I find out the pciid?
04:09<ydbi>ideally the manufacturer would list it somewhere
04:11<colo>I guess it is 13c1:1003
04:12<jim>,pciid 13c1:1003
04:12<judd>[13c1:1003] is '9550SX SATA-II RAID PCI-X' from '3ware Inc' with kernel module '3w-9xxx' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=13c1:1003 http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxRaidForAdmins
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04:13<ydbi>I wonder about that -4LP though
04:13<jim>ok, good, so the device is present
04:13<colo>3w-9xxx.ko
04:13<colo>ydbi, that should just mean it's a 4 port, low profile variant
04:13<colo>if memory serves
04:13<colo>jim, I think you will be fine
04:13<ydbi>that should be fine then, the driver is identical
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04:14<jim>yeah, the 4 port is only 89 bux instead of 400 bux
04:14<jim>could be worth trying
04:14<colo>I think i've had a 2 port variant of the successor generation (already with pcie) once upon a time
04:15<colo>performance is not going to be great of course, but if you need the SATA ports and have a PCI-X slot - go for it
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04:17<jim>ya know, I thought that pci card was a little long
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04:18<ydbi>did you just realize you don't have PCI-X? :)
04:18<colo>what problem are you trying to solve? :)
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04:19<jim>I don't kmow if there's a pci-x slot available to me or not
04:22<jim>I got curious about hardware raid, and specifically 3ware... so I wonder if there is a cheap 3ware card I could get (when I search, I see "pci-x superceeded by pci-e")
04:23<ydbi>yeah, pci and pci-x are dead tech
04:24<ydbi>and so is hardware raid for the many purposes
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04:31<inez>okay
04:31<inez>I have a USB encrypted with LUKS with a ext4 file system
04:31<jim>okay
04:31<inez>It doesn't show up in Dolphin
04:31<inez>how do I mount it
04:32<inez>I followed this guide https://geekyshacklebolt.wordpress.com/2019/03/06/how-to-encrypt-usb-drives-with-luks/
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04:34<jim>you have the password to the encryption?
04:35<jim>I forgot how to do that, but I think it involves a setup process which asks for that password
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04:37<inez>yes
04:38<inez>i have the password
04:38<inez>sorry i was distracted and thought there would be a notification when you posted here
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04:47<at0m>inez: usually, only when you're hilighted like this.
04:47<inez>oh , i see
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04:48<inez>thanks for the heads up
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05:06<sychill>between sfdisk, cfdisk, gdisk, & other terminal-based partitioners, do any support adding a partition without disturbing existing partitions? E.g. after running “dd if=tails.iso of=/dev/sdc”, there is space for another partition. AFAIK, gparted is the only tool I can think of.
05:08<zsh>you forgot about parted
05:09<sychill>i'll use that then.. thanks!
05:10<zsh>i dont know if it will work for you
05:10<zsh>gparted is parted with a gui
05:11<sychill>well, parted gives “Error: Invalid partition table - recursive partition on /dev/sdc.” in response to “print list”.
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05:11<sychill>maybe it's impossible
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05:13<sychill>i could boot the Tails disk, then use that to write Tails to another USB drive with a storage partition. But I think I'm forced to use an encrypted filesystem in that case (probably not FAT32)
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05:20<knghtbrd>sychill: The way those ISO images are built is really a hack. Using a partitioner on them is likely to result in the partitioner getting really confused/angry
05:20<sychill>so i tried gparted and it shows the whole drive as being consumed by an ISO9660 partition, which is unlikely. I suspect this means an ISO9660 partition cannot share a drive with other partition types.
05:20<sychill>yup
05:21<knghtbrd>The reason is that on optical media (what an iso file is supposed to be put onto) boots on a partition directly at the start of a disc
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05:22<knghtbrd>To use the same thing as a USB drive, you create a partition table
05:22<sychill>right but at the end of that "optical data" there is space. Even with a physical CD there are multimode CDs
05:22<knghtbrd>…in the middle (actually near the beginning) of a partition!
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05:23<sychill>i think i once tried putting the Tails ISO file on an ext4 partition, and telling Grub to boot the ISO.. but that's a sketchy thing and Tails won't boot that way.
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05:23<knghtbrd>There is, but honestly I really think it's time to stop building "ISO" images of Linux installers, it's really broken and limits what you can do with them
05:24<sychill>indeed. Particularly when these ISO images often exceed the size of a CD
05:24<knghtbrd>you might be able to boot it from grub using grml-rescueboot
05:25<knghtbrd>(which is just some GRUB menu generation magic)
05:25<sychill>are there multiple ways to tell grub to boot an ISO?
05:25<sychill>i tried one approach (which works with some ISOs), but it did not work with Tails
05:26<sychill>i filled a disk with ISOs of various distros and had a GRUB menu item for each. IIRC only about 30% of those images booted successfully.
05:28<knghtbrd>There's I think two or three ways to do it
05:28<knghtbrd>it's worth a look anyway if you're interested in doing that
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05:29<knghtbrd>ideally though, if you want to use Tails from other than USB stick, you're probably going to want to install it to your partition using whatever facility it provides for that, and #debian isn't likely to be able to help too much with it
05:29<sychill>i did go as far as looking at boot params that are used on a normal ISO bit-for-bit disk and mirrored those into the grub params for booting the ISO, but that only helped a few cases
05:30<knghtbrd>If you want to copy the Tails media to an internal drive … you can probably do it one partition at a time
05:30<knghtbrd>(g)parted might support doing that at least.
05:31<knghtbrd>Might even be able to do it from a loop-mounted image
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05:32<sychill>yeah i'm not sure I have a 2nd drive to play with, but I might try booting the ISO in virtual box then using the Tails installer from a Tails instance. (iirc, i tried that and got stuck because I struggled to give low level USB access to a vbox instance)
05:33<sychill>so the Tails installer couldn't see the USB disk (which needs to be unmounted yet visible to the vbox guest os)
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06:19<at0m>sychill: iirc, that required guest-additions for vbox
06:19<at0m>requires* even
06:20<at0m>,i virtualbox-guest-additions-iso
06:20<judd>Package virtualbox-guest-additions-iso (non-free/misc, optional) in bullseye/amd64: guest additions iso image for VirtualBox. Version: 6.1.22-1; Size: 43743.9k; Installed: 59612k; Homepage: https://www.virtualbox.org
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07:21<colo>jim, contemporary hw-raid is mostly lsi/avago/broadcom (same tech and company, just an evolution in names and brand) in "IR" (integrated RAID) mode. it's usually not what you want in a Linux host in my opinion.
07:22<colo>but you can reflash almost all LSI IR controllers with official firmware that provides "IT" (Initiator/Target, iirc) mode, which turns most of their devices into decent HBAs
07:22<colo>if you want to take a look at such hardware, controllers/HBAs featuring the sas3008 chip and driver should be cheap and perform decently
07:23<jim>what's a hba?
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07:24<colo>"Host Bus Adapter"
07:24<jim>oh ok
07:25<colo>a term to refer to disk controller hardware that does not (pretend to) handle RAID on its own
07:25<jim>see, I'm just curious, and starting to get curious enough to buy one of these cards and some cheap drives and play with then
07:25<jim>m
07:25<colo>usually, at least :) there are other kinds of HBAs.
07:25<colo>you're based in the US?
07:25<jim>yeah
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07:26<colo>refurbed LSI sas3008 should be like 100 to 120 bucks I think
07:26<colo>there are a lot of these out there under different reseller brands (HP etc.)
07:26<jim>sas is for serial scsi drives?
07:26<colo>in many cases, you can reflash them with LSI "upstream" firmware
07:27<colo>SAS HBAs will happily interface with SATA and/or SAS disks
07:27<jim>I would need to study a lot to see why to flash
07:28<colo>jim, https://forums.servethehome.com/index.php?forums/raid-controllers-and-host-bus-adapters.19/ is an excellent resource for that kind of learning experience
07:28<jim>ok, appreciate the link
07:29<colo>https://forums.servethehome.com/index.php?threads/the-versatile-sas3008-chipset-my-vendor-crossflashing-adventures.28297/ looks like a decent intro thread into the subject matter
07:30<jim>and that one too
07:31<jim>how many drives can you put on one port?
07:32<colo>HBAs usually have an explicit (documented/supported) limit for max # of drives to attach, without resorting to weird-ish shenanigans such as port multipliers
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07:33<colo>you will see stuff with 4i, 8i, 16i in their product name - that means that number of drives with some kind of internal connection via cable is possible
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07:34<colo>there's also 4e, 16e etc. available, which means those HBAs (usually only) have an external connector for an external SAS expander/enclosure soldered, and support that number of drives that wat
07:34<colo>way*
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07:35<g00se>There seems to be an issue with buster->bullseye involved with systemd/systemd-sysv: http://sprunge.us/nzXCO3 What would be the best way to solve this?
07:36<jim>I'd be looking for a card that's cheap and flexible, if it can have say 2-4 drives per port, that would be good future expandability
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07:40*g00se has answered his own question: the issue was that he's dist-upgrading over ssh and for some reason / has slipped into being owned by the logged in user as opposed to the rightful root owner. Nasty
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07:45<bremner>g00se: did you scan the systemd bug reports in the debian bug tracking system?
07:45<g00se>No, as I didn't immediately think of bugs
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07:48<g00se>bremner: Are you aware of that being one?
07:49<jim>colo, thanks for your time
07:49<colo>yw :)
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07:50<colo>jim, just get a 2008 (if you do not intend to use SSDs) or 3008 8i model, and you should be OK, I think.
07:50<bremner>g00se: no, I would have mentioned if so.
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07:53<jim>I'd just be experimenting; ssds would probably be too expensive for that
07:54<jim>which driver would those use?
07:56<colo>jim, mpt2sas and mpt3sas, I think
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07:57<colo>ah, the latter not also includes the former, apparently :)
07:57<colo>it's been a while since I last touched all this
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07:57<jim>this one? https://servers.asus.com/products/Servers/Server-Accessories/PIKE_II_30088i
07:58<colo>jim, should be good, though I have never seen or used one from ASUS before
07:59<jim>is asus still considered high quality?
08:00<colo>you will also need to buy cables to attach your disks, something like https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Internal-SFF-8087-Breakout/dp/B012BPLYJC/
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08:00<colo>I do not doubt their build quality, but I would research their firmware update frequency before buying their stuff
08:00<blast007>"The card only works with ASUS Server/Workstation motherboards and systems. " Dunno if that's *actually* true, but.. they do say that on their specs page.
08:01<colo>jim, maybe consider https://www.ebay.com/itm/175005899965?epid=1537578139&hash=item28bf2a1cbd:g:4RUAAOSwtldhghxC
08:01<colo>blast007, yeah, that would be a bummer
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08:02<blast007>might be that they have some custom Windows driver that checks the motherboard vendor and that's what that refers to
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08:02<jim>so asus has created a monetary barrier to entry
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08:08<jim>ok thanks again, I think I'm gonna turn in
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08:46<miracolix>einen schönen guten morgen
08:46<miracolix>:-)
08:46<miracolix>good morning
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09:21<miracolix>Have a nice good morning, not many people write to us, just what are you all doing
09:21<miracolix>In the past there was also a lot going on, everyone on skype I guess
09:22<miracolix>so i'm going to watch what comes on tv today normally comes footbll bayern versus dortmund today
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09:25<miracolix>so I just got a coffee
09:26<offtopic[ON]>did you now?
09:26<offtopic[ON]>i dont do drugs myself
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09:36<g00se>Attempting to install Windows 10 with Bullseye EFI. Win installer really doesn't like the cut of the EFI partition's jib ("The Boot Configuration Data file doesn't contain valid information for an operating system. ") I wonder if I should back up and empty that partition? Might it prefer NO files in there?
09:37<miracolix>you need a coffee on the computer
09:37<miracolix>I'm looking for an automatic translation script for the weechat
09:38<miracolix>that in the main chnadel everything is translated what you write
09:38<miracolix>I already have one for writing, but I'm looking for a scriüt for the weechat that translates the main channel
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09:39<miracolix>so I found it easier to write I'm German and come from Bavaria noja and so I wanted to chat with you until now
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09:40<miracolix>I set up debian stretch with me and still have the postfix server running, the kde desktop and awesomewm and heaps of things set up with me
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09:41<miracolix>but I don't speak English very well and that's when I got the translation script out
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09:42<miracolix>if I had another scirpt that translated the main chandel, I would be even easier
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09:43<miracolix>the weechat is perfectly better than the irssi in my opinion
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09:45<miracolix>I haven't updated on bust because I let the stretch on it run but on my barbone I have bust on it and on a lapi I also have it on but on my server I like it to run so stretch
09:45<miracolix>50 books
09:46<miracolix>I absolutely love the debian stretch
09:46<offtopic[ON]>fo you have a debian related question?
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09:55<miracolix>I'm just looking for a translator for the main chandel that translates the same into German, so I understand it more easily and then also help someone and I can write back in English
09:56<miracolix>I can write back but I have what you write here in Channdel, everything in English so I always have a hard time translating
09:57<Sqrt{Not}>sychill, If you just want to add partition(s) to a debian installer/live ISO image, use plain old fdisk. I works fine, and doesn't impair the operation of the installer or live system.
09:58<miracolix>i have the postfix server running and so on i can help there maybe it's a chandel where you can help and share experiences
09:58<Sqrt{Not}>sychill, if you're trying to make a cargo-cult USB of many installers/live-systems, then look into ventoy
10:01<g00se>Sqrt{Not}: I've never quite understood why live USBs can't be made to report their contents properly with things like parted
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10:04<Sqrt{Not}>g00se, it's a choice. The debian .iso images are made to be able to work in either BIOS boot mode or in UEFI secure boot mode, which requires hiding the ESP in the middle of another BIOS partition, so the fancy GUI partitioners get confused.
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10:05<g00se>Right
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10:05<g00se>Thanks for that
10:05<Sqrt{Not}>g00se, you should instead ask, why the fancy GUI partitioners can't be made to work with such an elegant USB formatting system ;)
10:06<g00se>Heh
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10:07<Sqrt{Not}>I think what knghtbrd was saying points to the actual reason -- the images are also designed to boot in either mode from an actual CD/DVD, which requires obeying the literal ISO9660 layout.
10:09*Sqrt{Not} is typing right now from a machine that cannot boot from USB, but has a perfectly good DVD drive on it.
10:11*g00se gave up on the debian-live project and now has four simple scripts to produce live usbs
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10:13<g00se>From what you just said about fdisk and live usbs, I might even think about adding a live persistence partition to my build scripts
10:14<coc0nut>anyone having issues with chrome cast on brave ?
10:14<coc0nut>or chromium'
10:15<coc0nut>https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&p=746686 <- seeing this from 3 days ago - having the same issue
10:15<Sqrt{Not}>g00se, that's what I do, I just put the extra partition at a easy-to-remember location (e.g. sector 10,000,000) because you will need to re-add it to the partition table any time you rewrite the beginning of the USB, but the extra partition will still be there, unchanged.
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10:18<g00se>I can't remember whether having that correctly-named persistence partition is _all_ you need to get live persistence
10:18<g00se>(I mean automatic)
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10:20<Sqrt{Not}>yeah, that part is a little fiddly, but can be made to work; I also forget exactly what magic. Sometimes the DE automounters will find that extra partition too
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10:24<g00se>Right. I think it essentially involves an overlay FS. Logically must do I suppose
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10:35*enyc meows
10:35<enyc>hrrm debian 11 bullseye xfce setup screensaver not triggering
10:35*enyc grumbles
10:36<enyc>was converted from MATE setup originally and had to remove packages to not get wrong screensaver/daemons causing trouble back then...
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10:36<enyc>tasksel is happy that all xfce packages installed ok
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10:38<g00se>Had a person on here saying the same thing a few days ago about the screensaver
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10:50<enyc>g00se: on a new bullseye xfce install? converted from another desktop?
10:51<g00se>I just remember bullseye and screensaver not activating
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11:02<miracolix>then you will understand me in your mother tongue
11:03<miracolix>and I can understand it better and also write until I had that in school 30 years ago but then I stopped writing it and continued learning #
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11:18<g00se>Not hugely au fait with EFI systems. If I've just installed Windows, how do I tell grub to probe and find it?
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11:21<at0m>g00se: os-prober ?
11:21<at0m>,i os-prober
11:21<judd>Package os-prober (utils, optional) in bullseye/amd64: utility to detect other OSes on a set of drives. Version: 1.79; Size: 29.7k; Installed: 108k; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/os-prober
11:22<at0m>os-prober adjusts grub according to other OS's found
11:23<g00se>You can run it on its own then and it will reconf the boot menu?
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11:27<g00se>Windows 10 Pro installed on /dev/sda4. Running os-prober doesn't put the word 'windows' in any of the /boot/../*.cfg files. Am I looking in the wrong place?
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11:36<aloo_shu>*normally*, update-grub should do it all by itself, including running os-prober
11:37<aloo_shu>i.e. afaik, os-prober doesn't configure, but find, and is what grub-mkconfig and update-grub will invoke in a standard setup
11:38<aloo_shu>but it may help to troubleshiot: if an so-prober dry run doesn't find windoze, then neither will grub, my 2ct
11:38<DusXMT>Hey there, I've been thinking about extending my computer from a single-drive setup to a dual-drive one with RAID-1 (mirroring), mostly as a convenience in case my hard drive failed (I do have proper backups, I'm aware that RAID should never be treated as a backup) and perhaps for faster read speeds as well, and I wonder if, when you create a mirrorred partition with LVM, if it can
11:38<DusXMT>still be used without LVM (if the data stored on the LVM partition is verbatim to the data presented in the device mapper), in particular the /boot partition of a system - grub needs to be able to access it
11:40<g00se>I think I might need to place a menu entry in there explicitly. Not sure whether it wants a UUID or partition UUID though
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11:42<aloo_shu>afaik, lvm doesn't even guarantee that lvm volumes be contiguous on disk: that's why it can relocate bad blocks under the hood, or resize partitions in the blink of an eye
11:42<g00se>Maybe it's cos I removed all the Windows files from /EFI?
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11:44<DusXMT>thanks. I'm still new to this, still doing research. And I guess I might've checked the wiki first, as it mentions it: https://wiki.debian.org/LVM#A.2Fboot - grub2 should be able to handle it
11:44<DusXMT>So now, I just need to ensure that wheneer grub gets updated, that both EFI partitions get updated, shouldn't be that bad
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11:49<g00se>That was it folks. Put all the Windows EFI files back and os-prober + update-grub worked!
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11:57<aloo_shu>DusXMT: iirc grub handles lvm, not by some direct access voodoo, but via a lvm grub module. later, I think it's initrd where lvm gets set up properly so that / can get mounted
11:59<DusXMT>aloo_shu: Indeed
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12:01<DusXMT>aloo_shu: The main reason I was asking about it was that I was hoping I could somehow mirror the EFI partition as well, looks like I'll have to do that manually. Thankfully I use stable, so grub updates aren't that frequent
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12:39<spawacz>When im installing a custom kernel built from source, the initramfs hook automatically creates initramfs for me. But how to invoke it when the kernel was compiled on different machine and im only copying it over?
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12:43<rudi_s>spawacz: update-initramfs -k kernel -c
12:43<rudi_s>Where kernel is the kernel version you want to create an initramfs for.
12:44<rudi_s>(You can also use all as kernel version to rebuild it for all kernels.)
12:44<rudi_s>However, I'm not sure if this works if you only copy the kernel over. You need all the modules as well and the simplest way to do that is to install the .deb (which will trigger building the initramfs automatically).
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12:53<spawacz>hmm the deb way seems very cool, i will give it a shot
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12:57<istrive>hellow world! Good Day to all!
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12:58<mh3f>just an FYI, if you need timestamps added onto a program's stdout or stderr, "ts" from moreutils adds timestamps to stdin: "echo hi | ts" outputs "Dec 04 12:57:56 hi"
12:59<istrive>I upgraded to bullseye a while ago, now every time I reboot the system the CIFS refuses to mount the shared folders from fstab (dmesg reporting CIFS: VFS: cifs_mount failed error code -112) , but it works flawlessly after issuing the mount -a from the terminal...
13:00<istrive>what can I do to make it work again at boot time?
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13:01<istrive>I also added _netdev in the command for fstab but no change to the results..
13:01<mh3f>from my quick google, it looks like -112 is host is down. you need to make the mount happen after networking is available
13:01<mh3f>x-systemd.after=network-online.target
13:02<mh3f>use that in the fstab options
13:02<istrive>SORRY MY LIMITATION, but where to add this x-systemd.after=network-online.target?
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13:11<miracolix>i love the debian syatem
13:12<bentham><3
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13:14<miracolix>why isn't the debian chandel on the efnet any more?
13:15<sney>official debian channels have been only on OFTC and freenode/libera for decades
13:16<somiaj>the efnet channel was never really assoicated with the same ops as the official channels afiak. It was mostly just an independent group of people
13:16<istrive>nevermind, I google and figured out, replaced the "option" _netdev with x-systemd.after=network-online.target... Thank you for pointing me to the right direction!
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13:27<aloo_shu>hmm, efnet#debian 58 users, that's not much but not dead, neither
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13:30<aloo_shu>from a debian user perspective, no reason to go to efnet, from an efnet user perspective, no reason not to hang out there, at least for a try
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13:38<offtopic[ON]>efnet supports nick server?
13:38<offtopic[ON]>channel server?
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13:39<sney>efnet does not have services, extra work to have any kind of moderation or access control there
13:39<sney>dedicated free software networks are a smarter fit for this kind of thing anyway
13:40<tulpa>efnet is wild :)
13:41<spawacz>Do i need to invoke make bindeb-pkg as root?
13:41<offtopic[ON]>must be ciafbi powered
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13:41<sney>spawacz: I don't think so, it should use fakeroot for any necessary tasks
13:42<spawacz>yeah it does. i see it tries to create a directory in ../
13:42<spawacz>it does not need root privileges*
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13:45<aloo_shu>offtopic[ON]: efnet has some rudimentary type of wittness bot that, if a channel qualifies and has been opped by the same people long enough, facilitates getting ops back if they got lost. it's documented
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13:54<Azrael_->hi
13:55<Azrael_->i'm on debian 8 and want to configure a local lan but run into errors which i don't really understand what i am doing wrong. can you ple give me some hints? https://pastebin.com/JLzWmCsp (this is a vm which shall run behind a nat)
13:56<enyc>Azrael_-: be aware debian 8 is ELTS or so https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Extended quite old
13:56<lindylex>OS no longer start DisplayManager while attempting to install Nvidia drivers. I installed Nvidia drivers for my :
13:56<lindylex>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108GLM [Quadro 1000M] (rev a1) using : NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-390.144.run. Now my DissplayManager fails to start and I am not sure how to resolve.
13:56<lindylex>https://controlc.com/087e80d4
13:56<Azrael_->enyc: yeah, that's why i am currently preparing a test-vm to test the upgrade
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13:57<enyc>Azrael_-: netmask looks wrong, i would imagine 255.255.255.0 is more likely, what about gateway ?
13:58<Azrael_->even with 255.255.255.0 i just get the same error. the gateway is set up like this: " post-up /sbin/ip route add 172.22.0.1/32 dev eth0"
13:58<enyc>Azrael_-: will pmsg you an example
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13:59<enyc>shouldn't need to do post-up
13:59<enyc>also would be ip route add default via 172.22.0.1 dev eth0 anyhow
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14:05<Azrael_->gonna be interesting to go from jessie to bullseye
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14:07<aloo_shu>!remove nvidia-installer
14:07<dpkg>it has been said that remove nvidia-installer is as root type "/usr/bin/nvidia-installer --uninstall". Debian's nvidia-installer-cleanup package can also assist, ask me about <contrib>.
14:07<aloo_shu>lindylex: ^^
14:08<lindylex>aloo_shu: let me try this now.
14:08<aloo_shu>the factoid should include an nvidia support email to pester -_-
14:10<lindylex>ANy reason why you are suggesting I uninstall the driver?
14:11<aloo_shu>because that's when your system started going wonky?
14:12<lindylex>True but my issue is I need the driver to run my displayport output.
14:12<aloo_shu>could try the community provided nouveau driver instead, but not sure which features it includes
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14:13<lindylex>I had that installed and the iplayport installed nothing.
14:13<lindylex>Displayport could not see my extrenal monitor.
14:15<aloo_shu>I mean, you can apparantly get a terminal, so you could try to find more info in journalctl, or to stop the systemd service for the display manager and see if you can fire up a gui session manually, or only a Xorg server with one xterm in it, using xinit
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14:18<aloo_shu>as root/with sudo, systemctl isolate multi-user should kick you back to a terminal session w/o the display managertrying to start, from there, you could see how far you get with a gui session startup by hand
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14:21<aloo_shu>xinit /usr/bin/xterm -- /usr/bin/Xorg or similar (can't help with wayland myself)
14:22<lindylex>It say multi-user.target is Active. No sure what to do with this information.
14:22<jmcnaught>lindylex: there are packages for the nvidia drivers in non-free you don't need to use the installer script from the nvidia website: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
14:25<lindylex>jmcnaught : I did this with no success getting the Displayport to be recognized for output. Let me try this again.
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14:26<Azrael_->i try to allow debootstrap to trust an unknown key and use the solution from here https://serverfault.com/questions/984604/debootstrap-release-signed-by-unknown-key but whatever i try, gpg always just states "gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found." and thus the created keyring is empty. what am i doing wrong?
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14:27<jmcnaught>lindylex: if it a laptop with Optimus hybrid graphics then this page may help: https://wiki.debian.org/NVIDIA%20Optimus
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14:27<lindylex>jmcnaught : This is the video card : 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108GLM [Quadro 1000M] (rev a1)
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14:29<lindylex>From reading the logs it looks like the screen setup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf is the issue. The problem is I beleive new Debian no longer uses this file. The logs all complain about no screen avialble.
14:31<jmcnaught>Debian no longer creates that file by default, but you can create it or use snippets in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ . You can move /etc/X11/xorg.conf somewhere else for testing.
14:32<spawacz>rudi_s: I got 3 .deb packages from the kernel, do i need to install only the linux image or also the headers and libc?
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14:36<lindylex>jmcnaught : here is an output of my xorg.conf https://pastebin.com/gN2PWsMf
14:37<deb457>hey everyone. i love debian and REALLY want to stick with it, but on the new laptop anytime I get through the installer, when it boots to the new system and I get to the login prompt, entering any key on the keyboard will cause the system to crash and computer to power off (entering first letter of username for example)
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14:37<deb457>i've tried the netinst, full installers, non-free firmware installer
14:37<A-M>hu
14:37<A-M>hiiii
14:37<lindylex>when I use startx I receive the following error : xinit: unable to connect to x server : connection efused
14:37<A-M>what do you want lindylex
14:38<bremner>A-M: this is a debian support channel, so they want debian support
14:38<A-M>lindylexxxx
14:38<lindylex>A-M : I would like to get my system configure properly after installing the Nvidia driver. Currently I have a blank screen.
14:38<jmcnaught>lindylex: I would try without xorg.conf, and with the nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver package from non-free
14:39<A-M>ahhhh ok lindylex
14:39<A-M>goodbye irc
14:39<rudi_s>spawacz: Only the image
14:39<rudi_s>(The headers and libc are only necessary if you want to build modules against the new kernel.)
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14:40<jmcnaught>lindylex: if your system is dual-GPU/hybrid/Optimus/Intel integrated graphics and NVIDIA for performance then also make sure to ready the NVIDIA Optimus wiki page I linked earlier.
14:40<jmcnaught>*read
14:40<lindylex>I removed xorg.conf file and now I have a desktop after using startx. This is further than before.
14:41<lindylex>jmcnaught : I look at the 3 pages and did not see my hardware.
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14:41<hacker101>hello
14:42<aloo_shu>(that is actually something that's bogging me. that Xorg is making different/better guesses w/o an xorg.conf file than when told to generate one)
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14:43<jmcnaught>lindylex: that NVIDIA GPU is ~10 years old, I do not know Optimus was around back then, maybe you only have a single GPU. You may need to do some digging to find out.
14:43<jmcnaught>lindylex: "lspci -nnkd ::300" might list more than one VGA controller
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14:46<lindylex>jmcnaught : I have two outs one is a VGA and the other is the Displayport. I have both hardware just need to get them to work.
14:46<lindylex>https://pastebin.com/Zd5ru7Lp
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14:49<jmcnaught>lindylex: that looks like an Optimus system to me. From what I understand sometimes on Optimus systems a specific output may only be wired to the NVIDIA (and not the Intel GPU which is used by default)
14:49<deb457>hey so would anyone posibly have any advice on what to do? when i do a fresh debian install of the minimal base system (or DE, it doesn't matter), when i get to the login prompt hitting any key on the keyboard will crash the computer and cause it to shut off. ubuntu doesn't do this, but i don't want to use ubuntu lol
14:49<jmcnaught>deb457: is that the graphical login prompt or the text one?
14:50<deb457>jmcnaught it's a text one but i've also tried installing a DE from tasksel and graphical does same
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14:51<jmcnaught>deb457: during installation I would select the SSH server task (on the same screen that lets you pick desktop environment) and try logging in via SSH from another computer/phone so you can read logs. Or maybe booting a different live disk would let you access logs if the live disk does not also crash.
14:52<deb457>ok, i am about to boot into debian live, copying the image to usb now
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14:57<deb457>ok i booted from a debian live disk and it booted into the kde desktop now
14:57<deb457>i guess i should try to install from here or should i do anything first
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14:59<deb457>i noticed the live debian uses calamares installer. that means no disk encryption option if i do it this way?
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15:00<jmcnaught>deb457: mount the partition or volume that you installed Debian to and look for errors in its /var/log/syslog
15:01<deb457>i think i might know what the issue is jmcnaught. in this live desktop, if i hit just about any key, it brings up the logout dialog where you choose to restart/shutdown etc
15:01<deb457>this is really weird
15:01<deb457>i wonder if when i installed debian before, at that login prompt, the keys i was pressing was issuing a shutdown command
15:02<deb457>literally any letter i type brings up the logout screen
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15:02<jmcnaught>Like every key on the keyboard is actually the power button?
15:02<owen43>checkbackport ffmpeg
15:02<jmcnaught>That is pretty strange.
15:03<deb457>yes exactly, but i booted from a ubuntu live CD yesterday and it wasn't doing this. i didn't install ubuntu though since i really wanted debian
15:03<deb457>this makes sense why my computer keeps shutting down when i install debian normally though
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15:09<deb457>if i try to open keyboard settings it says "cannot connect to fcitx by dbus, is fcitx running?" don't know if it's related
15:10<deb457>ohh found something https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/635797/using-laptop-keyboard-shuts-down-computer
15:11<miracolix>so i wish everyone a good night see you tomorrow check back tomorrow until then cu all and good night
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15:21<offtopic[ON]>miracolix you there?
15:21<offtopic[ON]>take a coffe
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15:31<g00se>Strangely the default boot entry is being ignored. This is the setup: http://sprunge.us/Q497o2 What am I missing?
15:31<lindylex>I just check with Window 7 and the Displayport does indeed output and works properly. I think the issue is the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file not setup correctly. LXDE will show me a desktop when I delete the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. But it does not use the Nvidia driver when I start it this way.
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15:36<sney>you should not need a full xorg.conf in any modern debian system, X can autodetect almost everything, and nvidia-driver includes a snippet to enable that part as well
15:37<sney>oh, I scrolled up and see that it's optimus..
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15:39*g00se just discovered that the entries were not as I thought - problem solved!
15:39<sney>still, it's likely you can just use individual xorg.conf.d sections for features you need, and let the rest be automatic
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15:40<lindylex>sney : I was thinking the same. Going to look at the optmus section some more since that I am unsure how it relates to my current issue.
15:41<offtopic[ON]>is 5.15 on debian yet?
15:41<sney>it's in testing
15:42<sney>,v linux-image-amd64
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15:42<offtopic[ON]>okay thanks
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15:46<jmcnaught>lindylex: it is relevant because on some Optimus systems the external display ports are only connected to the discrete GPU and not the integrated one.
15:47<lindylex>jmcnaught : I just the entire page. I see what you are saying. In other words the VGA is the only hardware that should output is what you are saying?
15:48<lindylex>Not sure if I understand this all yet.
15:49<istrive>how make this command line more efficient ? find . -type f | while read f; do now=`date +%s`; old=`stat -c %Z "$f"`; days=`expr $now - $old`; echo "$f [" `expr $days / 86400` "] days old"; done
15:49<istrive>I intend to list files by age in days... ;)
15:50<sney>lindylex: note "some optimus systems" - it depends, there's a lot of variety in how it works, with the age of the computer and the vendor and many other factors
15:50<jmcnaught>lindylex: there are a lot of different hardware configurations that have been branded as "optimus" over the years, you may need to do some trial and error using the information from the NVIDIA Optimus Debian wiki page to figure out what software configuration is needed.
15:52<lindylex>After reading the page it looks like it wants me to edit the xorg.conf file. My confusion is I need to get X to start my desktop with the Nvidia driver. This is where Ia m getting stuck.
15:53<lindylex>Bumblebee Project look like it uses the Nvidia GPU and redirects its output to the Intel VGA. Is that correct?
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15:54<sney>the recommended use for optimus is to render the desktop with the intel gpu, then use the nvidia gpu to offload more intensive applications like gaming or accelerated video
15:54<jmcnaught>lindylex: there are different solutions that work for different Optimus hardware, you might need to try a couple before you find one that works. From the first paragraph of that page: "There appears to be no way to query the system for this information, which leaves trial and error: try the configurations for each hardware variant until one works."
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15:56<lindylex>Yes I read that and not afraid of the trial and error. I just need to get X to see there is a screen. Since this is what the errors are telling me in the logs. There are no screen detected. xorg.conf look like the file that help configure the screen and drivers.
15:57<jmcnaught>What happens when there is no xorg.conf?
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15:58<lindylex>Sans xorg.conf I can start a LXDE desktop using startx while logged in as root. When I go to Nvideo software to configure the Displayport to HDMI adpater I have I get an alert stating I need to use the Nvidia driver.
15:59<lindylex>If xorg.cong is there when I use startx it will fail to load LXDE and complain about no screen available.
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16:00<aloo_shu>try using the management tools coming with the desktop environment to set up a 2nd monitor,not the nvidia tools
16:01<lindylex>The management tools do not have any option to choose my Displayport to HDMI for me to configure.
16:02<aloo_shu>ah ok
16:03<lindylex>Yeah that is where I am stuck also xrandr does not see any Dissplayport hardware.
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16:03<aloo_shu>sometimes extra ports of all sorts can be turned on/off in the bios
16:04<lindylex>aloo_shu : same laptop using Windows 7 Displayport works.
16:04<lindylex>So that rules out the bios.
16:04<aloo_shu>ok that's good to know
16:04<lindylex>Right!!!
16:05<lindylex>Why would I receive unable to connect to X server: Connection refused when i choose startx with a default xorg.cong file?
16:06<aloo_shu>if you are in windowns, try to get the device manager up and trace which card is driving the hdmi, just to be sure.or do you only have the nvidia, no intel (in which case you can forget all the optimus/bumblebee story)?
16:07<lindylex>I have Intel VGA output hardware and Nvidia Displayport output hardware.
16:09<jmcnaught>lindylex: if this computer spends all its time plugged in and battery life is no concern then I would try https://wiki.debian.org/NVIDIA%20Optimus#Using_NVIDIA_GPU_as_the_primary_GPU
16:09<lindylex>This is where the system is failing : Fatal server error:
16:09<lindylex>(EE) no screens found(EE)
16:09<sney>the actual error would be further up
16:09<aloo_shu>'displayport' is a bit ambiguous, Xorg language would use "Monitor" - is the nvidia card an external card you added?
16:09<lindylex>jmcnaught : I looked at that also. I do take it on the road with me sometimes.
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16:10<lindylex>I never added that card. It comes with the Lenovo laptop
16:10<lindylex>ThinkPad I meant.
16:10<Sqrt{Not}>lindylex, I'm confused: what nvidia software and drivers did you download from nvidia, and what part is debian software?
16:10<aloo_shu>all the optimus/bumblebee doesn't liberate from making sure it's the intel driving the vga, but the nvidia, the hdmi (unusual setup)
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16:12<lindylex>Sqrt{Not} : NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-390.144.run is what I am using.
16:14<aloo_shu>I'd much rather expect the intel to drive both vga and hdmi, and the nvidia writing accelerated graphics into its fb, so if that's true, you'd want the *intel* driver to find the hdmi, and starting the wrong card would explain why it doesn't find anything to output to. If I had win7 running on the same box, with the hdmi working, I'd get the device manager and look it up
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16:37<lindylex>aloo_shu : I am in Windows 7 now and looking at the device manager for the Intel HD video card. What am I looking for?
16:38<aloo_shu>what it drives
16:38<at0m>"sort by connection"?
16:38<at0m>lindylex: View > Devices by connection, iirc
16:38<at0m>or how the monitors attach where
16:39<aloo_shu>or connect two monitors, vga and hdmi, and come from the monitors, look for the drivers driving them
16:40<aloo_shu>maybe don't even need a monitor attached
16:40<aloo_shu>or look through the list of properties
16:41<aloo_shu>sry don't have a win7 instance here myself to check exact steps, I just know that info is near in device manager
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16:42<aloo_shu>shouldn't the device tree already be ordered card -> monitor/port? when expanding?
16:44<lindylex>I have 4 windows in 1 Windows box and the window with "Details" > "Hardware Id" is that the information you want?
16:45<jmcnaught>On my Windows 10 system I can right click on the "Generic PnP Monitor" in Device Manager, select properties, and under Location: it tells me which GPU it is attached to
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16:54<lindylex>I am not sure what information is desired from Device Manager.
16:55<jmcnaught>The idea was to try and find out if the DisplayPort on your laptop is wired directly to the discrete GPU or not, as is the case in some but not all Optimus systems.
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16:58<optimus>hdmi isnt working on my pc, hdmi is connected to GP107M (optimus). dmesg | grep nouveau output https://pastebin.com/rBetCmeT
16:59<optimus>do i need to install non-free drivers or is there a way to get hdmi working with nouveau driver?
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17:01<optimus>ive read the optimus page in archlinux wiki and it says #Using nouveau - offers poorer performance (compared to the proprietary NVIDIA driver) and may cause issues with sleep and hibernate. Does not work with latest NVIDIA GPUs.
17:01<optimus>should i just install nvidia drivers?
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17:02<jmcnaught>optimus: "man nouveau" lists the GP107. https://wiki.debian.org/NVIDIA%20Optimus#Nouveau links to this page: https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/Optimus.html
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17:04<somiaj>unsure if it matters but there is non-free firmware for nouveau in firmware-misc-nonfree
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17:06<jmcnaught>optimus: incidentally how did you determine that the HDMI was connected to the discrete GPU? It might help another user working on a similar issue.
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17:09<optimus>from xorg log https://pastebin.com/3Q88yiG1
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17:10<at0m>optimus: also, nvidia-detect (script that can be 'apt install'd) will show you if the GPU is supported by any of the nvidia-* packages
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17:13<optimus>i installed nvidia drivers a week ago and got hdmi working but wanted to know if i can get it working with nouveau
17:13<sney>if it doesn't work out of the box then try with the firmware installed
17:13<sney>but nouveau is iffy on a lot of nvidia features
17:13<sney>!nouveau firmware
17:13<dpkg>Binary-only firmware for the nouveau <DRM> driver is packaged for Debian as firmware-misc-nonfree. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance and/or missing video features in the <nouveau> xorg driver is commonly experienced. To install, ask me about <non-free sources>.
17:14<enyc>many just... get an amdgpu instead or so heh
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17:16<lindylex>True! jmcnaught> optimus: incidentally
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17:27<OpIsreal>hi
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17:28<OpIsreal>hi JBzh
17:28<sney>!chat
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17:28<JBzh>Good evening
17:28<OpIsreal>good bye friend :)
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17:30<OpIsreal>Mmmmmm...Iam Go To Sleep Again._.
17:30<JBzh>I have trouble finding information about "offline updates", my system update NSS (I enabled automatic security updates), and it asked me to reboot. And it rebooted twice automatically, I'm not sure why
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17:33<JBzh>I found the security update on debian website, I just don't understand why after one reboot it rebooted again before showing the login screen
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17:38<somiaj>That double reboot sounds strange, not normal behavior that is for sure. But I cannot guess why it did that or what triggered it
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17:39<JBzh>ho, ok thanks, I thought so too but I wasn't sure. I'll investigate
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17:41<optimus>installed firmware-misc-nonfree, dmesg | grep nouveau and xorg log https://pastebin.com/nRzteCrk HDMI stil isnt working. samsung tv connected to hdmi is detected, modelines are shows in xorg log... i dont get why its not working
17:42<optimus>shown*
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17:50<optimus>https://paste.debian.net/1222056/
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17:57<sussudio>optimus: did you set the tv to the right output
17:58<at0m>s/output/input
17:59<optimus>yes
18:00<miracolix>на жаль не можу заснути
18:00<sussudio>miracolix: die.
18:00<miracolix>unfortunately i can't sleep
18:03<optimus>xrandr says hdmi is disconnected, xrandr --listproviders https://paste.debian.net/1222063/
18:05<miracolix>unfortunately i can't sleep
18:05<at0m>miracolix: you're searching in the wrong place
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18:07<miracolix>:-)
18:08<miracolix>you just got up I guess
18:08<at0m>!chat
18:08<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic or #moocows; or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/
18:08<miracolix>!chat
18:08<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic or #moocows; or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/
18:10<miracolix>tomorrow I'll have a look at oftopic
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18:20<spawacz>rudi_s: it booted :D
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18:25<userT>When using wget to download files from websites, I noticed some ones create a .wget-hsts file in $HOME directory. Why is it? Anyone?
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18:28<Phil>I am getting mysl error when starting it up
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18:29<Guest7578>https://pastebin.com/t0P3UAg6
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18:30<PLT>Dec 04 23:24:09 pprofessionalsoftwaredevelopment.com /etc/init.d/mysql[4468]: error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/?
18:31<PLT>Or why debian is using exit codes and not verbal words Dec 04 23:24:09 pprofessionalsoftwaredevelopment.com systemd[1]: mysql.service: Control process exited, code=exited status=1
18:31<Sqrt{Not}>userT, read "man wget" --- it talks about your question
18:31<PLT>me?
18:32<Sqrt{Not}>no, that is another user named userT
18:32<PLT>ok
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18:32<PLT>The paste I did includes the full log
18:34<userT>Yes, I had actually already read it. Doubt is, why some pages, and why some others not?
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18:37<userT>??
18:38<Sqrt{Not}>because the remote end may or may not bother with customizing or changing that policy.
18:38<Sqrt{Not}>...
18:41<userT>So it's in the queried website side?
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18:44<Sqrt{Not}>%hsts
18:44<dselect>HTTP Strict Transport Security (HSTS) is a web security policy mechanism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Strict_Transport_Security
18:47<userT>Thanks.
18:49<bremner>PLT: since you are using systemd, there may be more info available from journalctl -u mysql.service
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18:52<PLT>https://pastebin.com/FGQuxAzP
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18:55<sney>PLT: looks like the mysql server is crashing as soon as it starts, /var/log/mysql/error.log may tell you why
18:55<PLT>The same error if I type /etc/init.d/mysqld restart
18:56<PLT>The same error if I type /etc/init.d/mysql restart
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18:57<PLT>if I killed the entire program and purge it would that help fix the issue?
18:57<sney>start by looking at the error log mentioned
18:57<sney>it's usually some config issue, like a syntax typo
18:58<lanu>Good evening. Is virtualbox not available at all in Bullseye?
18:58<sney>!virtualbox
18:58<dpkg>Oracle VM VirtualBox is <virtualization> software. Not in buster and unlikely to be in any future debian stable releases due to #794466. Unofficial backports are available as well as 3rd party packages from Oracle, see https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox to install; we recommend <virt-manager> instead. http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.oftc.net.
18:59<PLT>Remove and clean would that work with a fresh -reinstall?
18:59<sney>PLT: unknown, what does the error log say the problem is?
19:00<PLT>syslog?
19:00<sney>no, /var/log/mysql/error.log
19:00<sney>[16:55:55] <sney> PLT: looks like the mysql server is crashing as soon as it starts, /var/log/mysql/error.log may tell you why
19:00<PLT>There is nothing that file
19:00<PLT>-rw-r----- 1 mysql adm 0 Dec 4 06:25 /var/log/mysql/error.log
19:01<lanu>sney: Okay, thanks! virt-manager is like a gui for kvm right?
19:01<sney>lanu: for libvirt, it supports lxc too
19:02<sney>lanu: I switched from virtualbox to virt-manager a few years ago and afaict every feature is there
19:02<PLT>Thi is the syslog https://pastebin.com/6cEYBYSM
19:02<lanu>sney: Cool, i will check it out. Thanks!
19:03<PLT>!includedir /etc/mysql/conf.d/
19:03<PLT>!includedir /etc/mysql/mariadb.conf.d/
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19:04<PLT>Thre is nothing in the /etc/mysql/conf.d directory
19:04<sney>PLT: aha, your disk is full. see line 37
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19:04<PLT>dev/sda4 3.6T 12G 3.4T 1% /
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19:05<sney>is /www on that partition?
19:06<PLT>is it on this partition dev/sda4 3.6T 12G 3.4T 1% /
19:07<PLT>The /www partition is on the the / partition and its only %1 full
19:09<PLT>Can I delete the www directory
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19:10<sney>you have some configuration referencing it, so that would likely make things worse
19:11<PLT>What do you recommend?
19:12<zebrag>`make -j$(nproc)` => "error: conflicting types for ‘x_display_pixel_width’" (and probably many others)
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19:13<sney>open your my.cnf again and double-check any changes you made
19:13<zebrag>sorry wrong channel
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19:14<PLT>I did not make any change to these files !includedir /etc/mysql/conf.d/
19:14<PLT>!includedir /etc/mysql/mariadb.conf.d/
19:14<PLT>I am not sure what your asking for me to do?
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19:16<sney>from line 33 to line 40 of your syslog paste, it indicates that there is a problem with /etc/mysql/my.cnf, which is the configuration file for mysql.
19:17<sney>the most likely reason is that there is a typo in the file.
19:18<PLT>I have no clue what this means or how to fix it /etc/init.d/mysql: WARNING: /etc/mysql/my.cnf cannot be read. See README.Debian.gz ... (warning).
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19:18<sney>that readme will just tell you "The configuration in /etc/mysql/... is wrong and prevents server from running."
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19:18<sussudio>PLT: you wouldn't want o read README.Debian.gz...
19:19<PLT>I am not even sure wheer to find it
19:19<sney>focus. the thing we are looking at is /etc/mysql/my.cnf.
19:19<PLT>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 Dec 4 22:46 /etc/mysql/my.cnf -> /etc/alternatives/my.cnf
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19:19<PLT>There is only two lines in that file/
19:20<PLT>Is the symbolic link causing a issue?
19:21<sney>no.
19:22<PLT>This file exist but its not find it if exist then true or flzse
19:22<PLT>This file exist but its not find it if exist then true or false
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19:23<PLT>What is causing the issue there is only lines in the file?
19:23<sney>ok, mariadb configs are included from /etc/mysql/mariadb.conf.d/ which is what one of those lines tells you. 50-server.cnf is the important one.
19:24<PLT>I do not know
19:24<at0m>telling from the https://pastebin.com/t0P3UAg6 , the db is foobar
19:24<at0m>Dec 04 23:24:09 pprofessionalsoftwaredevelopment.com /etc/init.d/mysql[4468]: [61B blob data]
19:24<sney>at0m: the server crashes before it can even write to the error log
19:25<at0m>hmm
19:26<PLT>I am lost
19:26<sney>if you run 'mysqld --help' does it print any extra errors?
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19:27<PLT>2021-12-05 0:27:22 140693674519936 [Warning] option 'max_allowed_packet': unsigned value 107374182400 adjusted to 1073741824
19:27<PLT>2021-12-05 0:27:22 140693674519936 [Note] mysqld (mysqld 10.1.48-MariaDB-0+deb9u2) starting as process 7051 ...
19:27<PLT>2021-12-05 0:27:22 140693674519936 [Warning] Can't create test file /usr/elp/pprofessionalsoftwaredevelopment.lower-test
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19:28<PLT>mysqld: Can't change dir to '/usr/elp/' (Errcode: 2 "No such file or directory")
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19:30<sney>that directory doesn't make sense, look in /etc/mysql/mariadb.conf.d/50-server.cnf and see what it says for basedir and datadir
19:30<PLT>The /usr/elp directory does nto exist
19:31<PLT>The /usr/elp directory does not exist
19:31<sney>it should not exist, please tell me what it says in the config file I just asked you about
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19:32<PLT>Which config gile?
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19:32<sney>look in /etc/mysql/mariadb.conf.d/50-server.cnf and see what it says for basedir and datadir
19:32<PLT>Which config file are you refering to?
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19:33<sney>do you need me to bold things so you can read them?
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19:33<PLT>One sec
19:33<PLT>ls -l /etc/mysql/mariadb.conf.d/50-server.cnf
19:33<PLT>ls: cannot access '/etc/mysql/mariadb.conf.d/50-server.cnf': No such file or directory
19:34<sney>wtf
19:34<sney>what debian version is this?
19:35<PLT>How do you find the version number please?
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19:35<sney>cat /etc/debian_version
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19:36<PLT>Description: Debian GNU/Linux 9.13 (stretch)
19:36<PLT>Release: 9.13
19:36<PLT>Codename: stretch
19:36<sney>is this wsl2?
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19:36<PLT>9.13
19:37<sney>this should not be a hard question, yes or no are you using windows subsystem for linux
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19:41<PLT>Linux is a standlone install on a pc
19:41<PLT>I am not using xwindows
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19:42<sney>ok.
19:42<PLT>I am using the standard debian inastall that is it
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19:42<sney>you are using an old version of debian, but that should not keep mysql from starting.
19:42<sney>what does 'grep -r basedir /etc/mysql' say?
19:43<PLT>Why does the sql files need to be in he www directory when it use server sockets to conenct to it?
19:43<sney>it does not. by default, there is no such thing as /www on a debian system.
19:43<PLT>It saids /etc/mysql/debian.cnf:basedir = /usr
19:43<sney>ok. please open /etc/mysql/debian.cnf and tell me what it says for datadir as well.
19:44<sney>you can pastebin the whole file if you want.
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19:45<PLT># Automatically generated for Debian scripts. DO NOT TOUCH!
19:45<PLT>[client]
19:45<PLT>host = localhost
19:45<PLT>user = root
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19:45<sney>for someone who apparently knows how to use pastebin,
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19:46<PLT>Hold on
19:46<sney>paste*bin*
19:46<sney>don't paste things to irc
19:46<PLT>https://pastebin.com/ZJ5Xzn7V
19:46<PLT>sorry
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19:47<PLT>That is the file that you requested.
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19:49<PLT>Delete teh duplicated username and password?
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19:49<sney>no, please wait
19:49<PLT>ok
19:49<PLT>I see on top do not touch
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19:53<sney>try: grep -r "usr/elp" /etc/mysql
19:54<PLT> grep -r "usr/elp" /etc/mysql
19:54<PLT>pprofessionalsoftwaredevelopment:/www/server/data#
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19:54<sney>ok, nothing here makes sense lol
19:55<PLT>How about if we tackle the issue with the paritiyion is full poblem?
19:55<sney>you said yourself, the partition is not full
19:56<sney>are you changing your mind?
19:56<sney>if this is a new install, you should start over, and probably use a more current version of debian. debian 9 (stretch) only has support for 6 more months
19:56<PLT>No, that dies not make make sense at all. df -h I show you ealer / is only 1% full
19:57<PLT>Unless it made a different and smaller parition
19:58<sney>does df -h show a different partition mounted at /www ?
19:58<PLT>https://pastebin.com/NDL5GaAE
19:58<PLT>No
20:00<angasule>I have a thinkpad T14 AMD Gen 2 with a realtek 8852 wireless card, the new rtw89 module that was just merged into 5.16 should support it, but the 5.16 package in experimental (rc1 or rc2) don't seem to include it, does anyoen have an idea why?
20:00<sney>angasule: kernel packages in experimental are usually only there because the kernel team is testing something weird.
20:00<sney>when 5.16 is actually released by upstream and gets into sid, try again
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20:02<PLT>is there any way to cleanuo the /www/server/data directory?
20:02<angasule>Ah, thanks, I'll build my own in the meantime.
20:02<sney>that is a directory that you or some nonstandard package created, so that is up to you
20:02<sney>debian does not create /www or use it for anything
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20:08<PLT>I think its giving false results
20:09<PLT>I fixed the disk full error now a differnt error poping up
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20:11<PLT>2021-12-05 1:10:42 140551405645184 [Warning] option 'max_allowed_packet': unsigned value 107374182400 adjusted to 1073741824
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20:11<sney>that is a warning and doesn't indicate any failures
20:13<PLT>See "systemctl status mysql.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
20:13<PLT> failed!
20:14<PLT>https://pastebin.com/j1p2jvV2
20:15<PLT>error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2 "No such file or directory
20:18<PLT>Any recommendations?
20:20<PLT>I whish they stop using error codes and use verbo codes
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20:21<sney>exit status 1 only means that it failed to start, it doesn't tell you anything extra
20:22<sney>and /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock doesn't exist because the mysql server is not running
20:24<PLT>I am trying to start it up and I am getting that error, so now I am trying to figure out how to fix it. nasa did that back in the 60's with apollo project and it does not work very well for them.
20:24<sney>there is something broken in your mysql configuration, still. I see you have ispconfig, maybe the install script broke mysql somehow.
20:24<PLT>I need mysql in order to install ispconfig
20:25<sney>since you're using an old version of debian, it's possible that the ispconfig scripts are written for debian 10 or 11 and don't support 9 anymore
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20:25<PLT>Should he a way to remove all the mysql
20:26<PLT>Should he a way to remove all the mysql and the files
20:26<sney>you can purge the installed packages, but if this was broken by some automated process it will probably just happen again
20:27<PLT>How do you track it down
20:28<sney>take your install step by step, and check if mysql is running between each step
20:29<PLT>Ispconfig - Debian 9 - 11, and testing
20:29<PLT>## Supported operating systems
20:29<PLT>Ispconfig - Debian 9 - 11, and testing
20:30<sney>great, well something is clearly broken here, so redo the install slowly and pay attention to when mysql fails
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20:30<PLT>That is going to be hard to do
20:31<sney>and again, if this is a fresh install, you should be using a newer version of debian.
20:31<PLT>ty
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20:36<metbsd>if i keep repository name as testing instead of bookworm, will it upgrade automatically when next testing is out?
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20:37<sney>metbsd: yep
20:37<sney>though be careful, testing can be pretty bumpy for the first ~2 months after a release
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20:39<metbsd>i find testing quite stable to be a desktop
20:39<metbsd>bookworm that is
20:41<somiaj>also #debian-next is for testing/unstable support.
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20:45<sney>testing is a moving target, sometimes (like right now) it's fine, sometimes it's not, and it depends on what packages you are using
20:46<somiaj>and it is suggested to not use 'testing'. It is almost always better to update at a time of your choosing, and in 2 years you may decide you want to stabalize and stop fixing things
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21:17<db2356>hi in debian 11 with KDE, network-manager i'm trying to add a DNS server but when i click apply it says "Settings plugin does not support modifying connections"
21:17<db2356>anyone know why?
21:19<db2356>must be because of the minimal install i did from netinst and just base packages, but sure what i'm missing
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21:19<somiaj>db2356: cat /etc/network/interfaces -- do you see your inteface listed there?
21:22<db2356>yes i see it there
21:23<db2356>and i changed managed=true in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
21:23<somiaj>network manager ignores devices managed by the debian intefraces file
21:24<somiaj>so you should just remove everything (or comment out) all devices except lo in that file, if you awnt ot manage things from network manager
21:24<somiaj>restart network manager (or your machine) after the change, and network manager will then manage that interface
21:25<db2356>that's what i thought too but i thought maybe debian 11 changed something because now the instructions just say to set managed=true in that file https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager
21:25<db2356>but i'll comment those devices and see if that helps
21:26<somiaj>you could do that, which just overrides network manager ignoring that file, but then in that case you are now manaing the interface in two different ways, which is usually not suggested. Choose one or the other but not both
21:26<db2356>got it thanks for the help
21:27<db2356>oh also in case anyone knows, dmesg is littered with "nouveau 0000:01:00.0: mc: intr 00000040"
21:28<somiaj>Do you have any actuall isussues with your gpu that you notice with day to day use?
21:28<db2356>no i don't notice any issues. i do have a nvidia GPU i'd like to take advantage of eventually, but for now i just installed the normal system and it works fine
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21:29<somiaj>then ignore that, kernel is very verbose, and don't just try to fix things you find there
21:29<db2356>okay lol
21:29<somiaj>(now if this is spamming 100s of those line a minute, that could be another issue)
21:30<db2356>thanks
21:30<somiaj>for the nvidia card, you'll most likely find the non-free driver better, though you can for the time install firmware-misc-nonfree to get nvidia non-free firmware that works with nouveau
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21:32<db2356>apparently i've got firmware-misc-nonfree. i used the installer with non-free firmware so that might be why
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21:34<somiaj>I still find the non-free driver better (though if your card is quite old this isn't an option). But if you don't notice any issues, and things seem to work fine, don't worry about it
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21:40<db2356>my card is quite new so i would like to try that
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21:42<db2356>somiaj would i just run nvidia-driver firmware-misc-nonfree after installing the kernel headers?
21:42<db2356>i mean apt install those?
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21:47<somiaj>the firmware isn't important with the non-free driver, so you odn't need that, otehrwise yes
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22:35<OD>In Bash (sorry not really Debian) is there a way to take an array and make a pipeline out of it (so the first array entry feeds into the second, feeds into the third for however long the array is) - I'm thinking of a recursion approach - any comments? It doesn't seem like it'd be that unusual of a thing to want to do.
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22:39<mason>OD: An array is a data structure. A pipeline is something between processes.
22:39<mason>Recursion is solving a problem in terms of itself.
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22:39<mason>You might need to be more descriptive with what you want to accomplish.
22:39<mason>!ab
22:39<dpkg>[ab] Apache Benchmark. It gives you an idea on how the daemon processes documents. Be aware of the various overheads like disk I/O, network, and other things when you use it. Better yet, 'man ab'.
22:40<mason>um, that's not the one
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22:45<mason>!xy
22:45<dpkg>Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem
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22:49<Sqrt{Not}>OD, "first array entry feeds into the second, feeds into the third" is confusing to me. how does this work? what? can you give an example?
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22:57<OD>mason: yeah... so in Bash you can do things like "$X" and it'll expand this and try to run it in that context
22:59<OD>Anyway Sqrt{Not} so imagine an array with 3 entries containing X, Y and Z - I want something which does "X | Y | Z". I was hoping for an operator but there appears to not be one so I was thinking recursion (so have f 0 do "array[$1] | f $( expr $1 + 1 )" if $1 +1 is a key, otherwise just array[$1] - but it seems messy. Looking for comments on other ways
23:00<mason>Feels like maybe Bash is the wrong target for your application.
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23:02<Sqrt{Not}>OD, I don't understand again. {I want something which does "X | Y | Z"} what does it mean to pipe one variable to the next? what are you trying to do here?
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