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00:03 | <OD> | Sqrt{Not}: if you don't understand I find it unlikely you can answer |
00:03 | <OD> | Let's leave it at that |
00:03 | <Gombye> | OD: Not Bash, but here is way to do it in AWK: awk 'BEGIN { foo["0"] = "ls"; foo["1"] = "sed s/foo/bar/"; foo["2"] = "tr [:lower:] [:upper:]"; str=""; for (i = 0; i < 3; i++) { if (!str) str=foo[i]; else str=str " | " foo[i]; }; system(str); }' |
00:03 | <OD> | Gombye: .... yeah no |
00:04 | <Gombye> | If you wanted to do it in Bash, you would have to do something similar, I think. After constructing a string, you could run 'sh -c "$command"'. |
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00:42 | <jcbjoe2021> | im new to debian and i've been using suspend. when i come back the next day and open the lid the battery is dead. i want to know more about hibernating. im looking at https://wiki.debian.org/Hibernation is this recommended ? i have a swap parition that debian made thats 977MB what do you think? |
00:43 | <somiaj> | swap sounds small, you need swap to be > amount of ram you use, and 1gig of ram is tiny these days |
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00:47 | <jcbjoe2021> | somiaj: this is a fresh install like 2 days old. why would debian only give me 977M of swap? |
00:49 | <somiaj> | No one size fits all |
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00:49 | <somiaj> | 1gig is reasonable for most cases that isn't too big. Think about servers that don't use hibernate with 128gigs or even more ram. That is a lot of space for swap |
00:49 | <somiaj> | Really defaults should be taken with a grain of salt, and adjusted to ones actual needs |
00:50 | <jcbjoe2021> | somiaj: i don't know what i need i just want to hibernate so i can keep using the laptop when needed. if hibernation won't do that i don't want it i will just keep using sususpend and charge when i need it |
00:51 | * | jcbjoe2021 sucks at linux for now |
00:51 | <somiaj> | Yea, the defaults just don't consider hibernation, since the amount of swap needed for that can vary a lot |
00:51 | <jcbjoe2021> | ok |
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00:51 | <somiaj> | You'll have to create a new swap partition or grow that one to be > ram used to be able to hibernate. |
00:52 | <somiaj> | Though you battery dying after one day of suspend is supecious, suspend does use energy, but at a very low rate. So either your battery was almost dead, or maybe you weren't actually suspended. |
00:52 | <somiaj> | I have gotten 1-2 weeks on suspend before it takes out a battery one some of my laptops |
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00:54 | <jcbjoe2021> | re-looking at https://wiki.debian.org/Suspend i think i miss read and did everything wrong. |
00:54 | <somiaj> | One shouldn't really have to do anything for suspend these days |
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00:55 | <jcbjoe2021> | ok. should i use systemctl suspend |
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00:56 | <jcbjoe2021> | sorry gotta go really quick |
00:56 | <somiaj> | that is one way, though it should trigger when you clsoe your lid and you shouldn't really have to do anything |
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01:03 | <lindylex> | I solved it like 90% there. Thanks for the help everyone. I will share the solution once I get it to where I need it. |
01:03 | <somiaj> | don't buy optimus hardware again? *hides* |
01:04 | <lindylex> | I hear you! It was how I configured the xorg.cong I got a partially working one. |
01:04 | <freq> | lawl |
01:04 | <freq> | i had a xeon like that |
01:04 | <freq> | intel + ncidia |
01:04 | <freq> | v |
01:04 | <freq> | it was amazingly fast though! |
01:05 | <lindylex> | I had to do this cd /etc/X11/ and then this Xorg -configure. |
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01:09 | <xnaas> | so I know there's at least 3 different way to 'hold' or 'freeze' packages from updating via apt |
01:09 | <lindylex> | It created this file xorg.conf.new . It had a bug with the driver. I had to change the "nouveau" driver in the Device section to : Driver "nvidia" |
01:09 | <xnaas> | is there's a 'preferred' or 'correct' way? 😅 |
01:11 | <lindylex> | Now I am attempting to make an xorg.conf file for when I only want the Displayport to only display with no laptop screen displaying. |
01:13 | <lindylex> | In Device section I had to specify a Buss hardware ID like the following : BusID "PCI:1:0:0" << This was for the Nvidia DisplayPort. |
01:16 | <somiaj> | xnaas: in general one shouldn't be holding packages. |
01:16 | <somiaj> | espically in stable, which is what is supported here |
01:21 | <jcbjoe2021> | are there a list of factoids for dpkg i know of , and ,v anything else? |
01:22 | <xnaas> | The packages in question aren't from Debian repos, somiaj. :P |
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01:23 | <xnaas> | anyway, I just use `apt-mark hold` but wasn't sure if any of the other methods were 'preferred' or not |
01:23 | <somiaj> | dpkg doens't respond to , -- that is judd |
01:23 | <dpkg> | somiaj: what are you talking about? |
01:23 | <somiaj> | xnaas: kinda depends on goal, they all work |
01:24 | <somiaj> | with other repos pinning might be useful too |
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03:01 | <miracolix> | !chat |
03:01 | <dpkg> | This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic or #moocows; or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/ |
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03:03 | <miracolix> | !chat |
03:04 | <dpkg> | This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic or #moocows; or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/ |
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04:15 | <famubu> | Hi. The font size in my debian computer is too small. Is there a way to increase it? |
04:15 | <famubu> | I tried 2 different desktop envs. In both it's like that. |
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04:15 | <famubu> | xfce and hlwm |
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04:25 | <knghtbrd> | famubu: yes |
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04:26 | <knghtbrd> | famubu: in XFCE, open up appearance |
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04:26 | <knghtbrd> | famubu: go to Fonts tab and set custom DPI setting |
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04:26 | <knghtbrd> | Default is 96. I use 144. |
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04:28 | <knghtbrd> | 192 is 2x "HiDPI", effectively the equivalent of doubling font size … probably not what you want unless you have a 4k screen |
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04:30 | <famubu> | Thanks! Changing the custom DPI value helped. I can read stuff on terminal comfortably now. :) |
04:30 | <knghtbrd> | You can also change your terminal font independently X.org's font DPI setting |
04:30 | <rena> | hello |
04:30 | <knghtbrd> | how depends on the terminal … but they all support font size changing somehow or other |
04:31 | <rena> | how can i install tor browser on bunsenlabs 32 bit? |
04:31 | <knghtbrd> | "bunsenlabs"? |
04:31 | <rena> | yep |
04:31 | <knghtbrd> | that's a question. |
04:31 | <rena> | its a debian based distribution |
04:31 | <knghtbrd> | So… Not Debian. |
04:32 | <knghtbrd> | You should find #bunsenlabs |
04:32 | <knghtbrd> | or whatever |
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04:32 | <rena> | is there a channel for that? |
04:32 | <knghtbrd> | I have no idea |
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04:32 | <rena> | im gonna try |
04:32 | <knghtbrd> | but I've also never heard of your distribution, so … |
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04:33 | <knghtbrd> | (and that's why #debian tends not to support these things … they change stuff and we can't possibly guess what exactly.) |
04:34 | <rena> | but its tor browser avaiable for 32 bit? |
04:34 | <knghtbrd> | ahha! #bunsenlabs on irc.libera.chat |
04:35 | <rena> | tnks |
04:35 | <knghtbrd> | I think we have tor browser on 32 bit in Debian |
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05:30 | <kritzefitz> | Is DRM intentionally disabled on Debian builds of firefox-esr in bullseye? I have 78.15.0esr and the setting to allow DRM content is missing from the preferences page, even though all help pages related to the topic tell me that it should be there. |
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05:38 | <argentwolf> | kritzefitz, it's enabled in my browser (same version)... https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/enable-drm?as=u&utm_source=inproduct |
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05:46 | <awal1> | kritzefitz, i386? |
05:46 | <kritzefitz> | awal1: arm64 |
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06:01 | <DusXMT> | hey there, does anyone have experience with throttling I/O speeds when using SMR drives? With the default configuration, on my laptop, when I perform heavy I/O, and the drive's cache gets filled up, the entire system slows down to a crawl, with systemd spewing out warning messages that it can't start journald and logging in via the TTY being impossible since the prompt times out |
06:01 | <DusXMT> | before it asks you for a password |
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06:04 | <DusXMT> | or rather, it doesn't slow down to a crawl, when a UI is loaded up it pretty much freezes |
06:05 | * | DusXMT chuckles, "I got warned that SMR drives were slow, and I thought I was a patient person so I wouldn't mind it in exchang for the larger capacity, but oh boy" |
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06:22 | <spawacz> | ooof my power just got cut. When systemd starts it says "failed to start File systen .. UUID" |
06:22 | <spawacz> | failed "depenedncy failed for /boot" |
06:22 | <spawacz> | but then it asks for root password and logs me in |
06:23 | <spawacz> | how do i recover from that? |
06:26 | <spawacz> | ooof /boot is empty |
06:26 | <spawacz> | but somehow i booted using the kernel from there? |
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06:42 | <spawacz> | fsck helped |
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06:51 | <Guest7617> | hey :) |
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06:52 | <Guest7617> | hi TheRuralJuror |
06:52 | <Guest7617> | hi pavlushka |
06:52 | <Guest7617> | heeey |
06:53 | <Guest7617> | please anybody talk to me |
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07:00 | <famubu> | I guess if you have a question you can ask and wait till somebody who knows an answers arrives. :) |
07:00 | <famubu> | Apart from that, hi! |
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07:00 | <famubu> | Oh.. I see that they had already left.. |
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07:37 | <unmaskingcrazed> | hello |
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07:40 | <unmaskingcrazed> | i want to get an email when bookworm becomes stable, how can i subscibe? thanks. (i know it's like years tho) |
07:42 | <bremner> | unmaskingcrazed: debian-announce@lists.debian.org is low traffic, and should have what you need. |
07:43 | <bremner> | err. let me double check that. |
07:43 | <unmaskingcrazed> | so i can just send an email to it? |
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07:44 | <bremner> | go to https://lists.debian.org/users.html to subscribe |
07:44 | <unmaskingcrazed> | bremner: cool. thanks mate |
07:45 | <bremner> | no problem. |
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08:58 | <capn> | I'm having the same issue as described in this bug report: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=982546 |
08:58 | <judd> | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/982546 in scdaemon (forwarded, patch, upstream): «scdaemon: SCM SPR332 smartcard reader support broken»; severity: important; opened: 2021-02-11; last modified: 2021-02-13. |
08:58 | <capn> | I'm assuming the only way to fix is to download the source and apply the patch? |
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09:28 | <FelixActually> | Is there no way I can adjust my mouse sensitivity other than with my desktop environment's settings? It doesn't go high enough |
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11:01 | <kritzefitz> | Does anyone have experience with getting SteamVR running on Debian? I was able to get the startup environment of SteamVR working, but each game I tried to start after that fails with slightly different symptoms, ranging from crasing during startup or only rendering on the desktop but not on the headset. |
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11:02 | <kritzefitz> | The games I tried include the SteamVR tutorial and SteamVR Home, so I don't think the issues are specific to each individual game. |
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11:07 | <Sqrt{Not}> | kritzefitz, I don't have any steam experience, but there is a wiki page: http://wiki.debian.org/Steam |
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11:09 | <kritzefitz> | Steam in general works for me. SteamVR in specific doesn't seem to be a topic of that wiki page. |
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11:37 | <miracolix> | einen schönen guten abend |
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13:06 | <miracolix> | heute ist gar keiner da |
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13:37 | <miracolix> | ich wünsche allen einen schönen 2 advent |
13:37 | <sney> | !de |
13:37 | <dpkg> | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.libera.chat oder irc.belwue.de) - debian-user-german@lists.debian.org |
13:37 | <miracolix> | ich wünsche allen einen schönen 2 advent |
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13:41 | <sussudio> | sney: it's a spambot. |
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13:44 | <sney> | what's it still doing here then |
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13:48 | <Sqrt{Not}> | not a bot, just a chatty deutscher -- they engage in userish questions and chat sometimes |
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13:52 | <miracolix> | ich habe probleme mit dem kde menu |
13:52 | <miracolix> | ich habe probleme mit dem kde menu |
13:52 | <miracolix> | ich habe stretch drauf am laufen wollte das neue menü haben |
13:53 | <miracolix> | aber irgend wie bekomme ich immer einen fehler den habe ich aber bei dem sddm themes auch |
13:53 | <Sqrt{Not}> | miracolix, english here. or go to #debian-de |
13:55 | <scorpion2185[m]> | is there some like alacarte but that works in every DE? |
13:55 | <scorpion2185[m]> | ,i alacarte |
13:55 | <judd> | Package alacarte (utils, optional) in bullseye/amd64: easy GNOME menu editing tool. Version: 3.36.0-1; Size: 110.3k; Installed: 587k; Homepage: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/alacarte; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/alacarte |
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13:58 | <miracolix> | ich habe ein problem mit dem sddm manager |
13:58 | <miracolix> | der will immer einen qtquick |
13:58 | <miracolix> | aber die habe ich alle installiert |
13:59 | <towo`> | und du bist im falschen channel |
13:59 | <towo`> | hier wird englisch gesprochen |
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14:00 | <miracolix> | that’s written underneath I have a translator running |
14:00 | <kali_> | 192.168.111.44 |
14:00 | <kali_> | nc 192.168.111.44 6660 |
14:01 | <sney> | !kali |
14:01 | <dpkg> | Kali Linux https://kali.org/ is a security/penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but is different enough that we don't provide support in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.libera.chat or https://forums.kali.org/ Also ask me about <based on debian> and read https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html |
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14:01 | <miracolix> | I have a problem with the qtquick in the sddm themes manager |
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14:10 | <Sqrt{Not}> | miracolix, if no one here knows how to answer your question, dpkg will tell you some other channels: |
14:10 | <Sqrt{Not}> | !kde |
14:10 | <dpkg> | KDE software is based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org/ for release news and other details. Ask me about <install kde> or <remove kde>. You can also get KDE-specific help in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net) or in other KDE-related IRC channels: http://userbase.kde.org/IRC_Channels . Also check out http://wiki.debian.org/KDE . |
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14:11 | <miracolix> | towo` now I have what you wrote to me in German and English |
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14:12 | <miracolix> | ist für weechat ein translator |
14:12 | <miracolix> | und wenn du schreibst steht das bei mir auch in deutsch da |
14:13 | <miracolix> | der übersetzer ist voll gut einwandfrei |
14:14 | <miracolix> | brauchst du nur googeln nach weechat-translator auto-translator |
14:14 | <Sqrt{Not}> | miracolix, bitte: keine deutsch heir!!! |
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14:17 | <towo`> | miracolix: whatever you do with your weechat, if you want help, provide the exact console output and no prosa |
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14:33 | <miracolix> | habe auch nix schlimmes geschrieben habe nur geschrieben einen schönen 2 advent an alle hir im chandel |
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14:33 | <Sqrt{Not}> | miracolix, no! #debian-de oder #debian-kde |
14:34 | <Sqrt{Not}> | sussudio was right, as spammy as any bot |
14:35 | <miracolix> | i wrote in english the entry i made was in german and underneath it is written in english |
14:35 | <Sqrt{Not}> | not here! we only saw the german |
14:35 | <sney> | it's always entertaining when people asking for help ignore all responses. assuming there is even a human here |
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14:36 | <miracolix> | then just do not |
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14:37 | <miracolix> | now I'm sad |
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14:37 | <miracolix> | :-) |
14:38 | <sney> | IRC support is a 2-way street. |
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14:38 | <sney> | if you want help, you need to describe your problem, including any guidelines or follow-up questions from volunteers. |
14:38 | <spammy> | I might be human |
14:38 | <sney> | if you just repeat the question in german, after hearing that this channel does not offer support in german, then you will only find disappointment. |
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16:56 | <userT> | Does anyone know if Smartmontools supports Kingston USB sticks? (Not asking about external USB hard drives) |
16:57 | <knghtbrd> | none of the ones I've owned |
16:58 | <knghtbrd> | Often USB hard drives don't support SMART, let alone USB flash devices made for bottom dollar |
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17:07 | <sussudio> | all of my usb hdd's support smart. none of the usb sticks. |
17:08 | <sussudio> | don't use usb sticks for anything permanent you want to keep, just for temporary things. |
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17:10 | <userT> | sussudio: what's the danger of doing that? |
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17:17 | <at0m> | userT: at worst, unrecoverable data |
17:18 | <cozmo> | you can't tell when they're failing, they will just fail all at once |
17:18 | <userT> | Why? |
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17:19 | <knghtbrd> | cheap design/construction |
17:19 | <Sqrt{Not}> | no centrifugal force |
17:19 | <knghtbrd> | low quality flash chips |
17:20 | <knghtbrd> | controller chips made to a cost and without the robust testing a SSD would get |
17:20 | <knghtbrd> | At this point, SSDs are cheap enough, get an enclosure |
17:21 | <knghtbrd> | SSDs _can_ fail read-only if the flash chips run out of write cycles |
17:21 | <knghtbrd> | should do … but controller chips on those fail almost as often as anything else on them, resulting in data you can't read without a soldering iron and a microscope |
17:22 | <sussudio> | userT: most usb sticks will also silenty corrupt data |
17:23 | <knghtbrd> | OTOH, unlike a spinning rust drive which must have its controller board carefully calibrated to the individual drive … if the controller chip fails, a data recovery outfit _can_ just swap the chip, if that's the part that failed. |
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17:23 | <knghtbrd> | (more likely they'll swap the flash to a new SSD though.) |
17:24 | <knghtbrd> | it's still expensive. Your best bet for data storage is multiple redunant copies in multiple redundant locations. |
17:24 | <userT> | Can I slightly prevent a USB stick from corrupting data by itself by regularly using it, yet not *very* often? |
17:25 | <blast007> | I've had multiple USB flash drives just stop working suddenly |
17:25 | <knghtbrd> | and I have one 128 MEGABYTE USB stick that still works. |
17:25 | <blast007> | they're good for transporting data, not for storing anything important |
17:26 | <knghtbrd> | It been written to seldomly, but read from often. |
17:26 | <knghtbrd> | that's basically the secret sauce for USB flash sticks |
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17:28 | <knghtbrd> | don't treat it like a hard drive, treat it as a means of holding on to files you're moving from one place they exist to another you want them to exist. A transport mechanism. |
17:29 | <blast007> | sneakernet :) |
17:29 | <Sqrt{Not}> | a station wagon full of USB stix zooming down the highway |
17:30 | <userT> | Does anyone know what would be the data retention time for a Kingston USB2/3 stick 32 GB? Spec is nowhere to be found in official website... |
17:31 | <blast007> | if you're looking to retain data for long periods of time, there's media designed for archival |
17:31 | <blast007> | such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-DISC |
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17:34 | <userT> | Just asking |
17:34 | <blast007> | contact Kingston |
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17:36 | <userT> | ... |
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17:36 | <sussudio> | userT: the data retention goes down as the room temperature goes up. |
17:37 | <userT> | Ok, ok, I notice I'm already being annoying...... |
17:37 | <userT> | Ok, understood. |
17:37 | <userT> | Since the point of Smartmontools doesn't normally support USB sticks. |
17:37 | <sussudio> | userT: data loss is less likely if you keep it plugged in |
17:38 | <sussudio> | at which point you might as well use a hdd or sdd instead |
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17:38 | <userT> | Ok. |
17:38 | <userT> | Thanks. |
17:40 | <sussudio> | userT: also, don't buy sticks marked as "usb 2.0", they're considerably lower quality than the ones meant for 3.0 |
17:41 | <userT> | sussudio: all the ones I currently see which are 3.0/3.1/etc, are marked as "USB 2.0/3.0/3.1..." |
17:42 | <blast007> | just a note that my USB NVMe adapter doesn't provide SMART details even though the disk in it can. (I have a Plugable M.2 NVMe to USB-C adpater) |
17:43 | <sussudio> | userT: they're still selling sticks that will only do usb 2.0 speeds |
17:43 | <userT> | Ahh, you mean only those ones |
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17:46 | <MrHatter123> | how do I query the bot about a package ? |
17:47 | <MrHatter123> | should I still be using autofs for automounting a USB disk ? Are there alternatives ? |
17:48 | <amacater_> | Just mount -a should do it, maybe |
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17:48 | <MrHatter123> | amacater_, I want something that mounts on demand, not something in the fstab |
17:48 | <amacater_> | Unless you want it to always mount - use disk bu id and add it into /etc/fstab? |
17:49 | <amacater_> | Mounting a fixed device to a fixed point is not _such_ a bad idea: this came up in debian-user today about mounting a specific SD card to lock it down |
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17:51 | <MrHatter123> | amacater_, it becomes an issue if the usb disk has an issue, on mount |
17:51 | <MrHatter123> | or if it isn't there |
17:52 | <MrHatter123> | usb drives tend to fail more than drives inside a box |
17:52 | <MrHatter123> | especially if users are removing and moving around |
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17:52 | <MrHatter123> | I would much rather a pluggable device to be on demand |
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17:53 | <amacater_> | If it's only there occasionally, plug it in, do a mount -a then follow that with a mount to find out where it mounted to - this is precisely the strategy I suggested to a friend earlier tonight. When you're done - umount it. |
17:53 | <amacater_> | No need to mess about with /etc/fstab |
17:54 | <amacater_> | autofs and hotplug may be overkill? |
17:54 | <MrHatter123> | mount -a will mount what is listed in the fstab. |
17:54 | <MrHatter123> | what if you are swapping usb devices ? for alternating backups ? |
17:56 | <amacater_> | mount -a -t vfat /dev/sdb /media/ might do it |
17:56 | <amacater_> | [for example] |
17:56 | <at0m> | or pmount |
17:56 | <at0m> | ,i pmount |
17:56 | <judd> | Package pmount (utils, optional) in bullseye/amd64: mount removable devices as normal user. Version: 0.9.23-6; Size: 84.2k; Installed: 502k; Homepage: https://alioth-archive.debian.org/release/pmount/pmount; O: #897304 |
17:56 | <bremner> | or systemd automount units |
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17:57 | <bremner> | or udisks2 |
17:57 | <MrHatter123> | amacater_, automount, for the purpose of not requiring user interaction to mount. |
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17:57 | <bremner> | err. not sure if udisks2 automounts |
17:57 | <bremner> | but systemd certainly can |
17:58 | <bremner> | MrHatter123: what kind of a setup is this? I assume you're not running gnome, or it would already be automounting for you |
17:58 | <MrHatter123> | bremner, no gnome. |
17:58 | <MrHatter123> | samba box. |
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17:59 | <amacater_> | Depending on what you want to do, automounting random disks presented by users may not be a good idea, esp. if dealing with transporting back/forth to Windows devices |
18:00 | <miracolix> | gute nacht |
18:00 | <amacater_> | ... your Linux box put a virus on my USB stick ... etc. is not fun from users :) |
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18:02 | <bremner> | aparently udiskie can work with udisks2 to do automounting |
18:02 | <MrHatter123> | this is interesting : x-systemd.automount |
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18:02 | <bremner> | yeah, that's what I meant |
18:03 | <MrHatter123> | bremner, yes, maybe a systemd way to do it is a good idea |
18:03 | <bremner> | but I'm not sure about e.g. file ownership and permissions for DOS-ish filesystems |
18:03 | <MrHatter123> | autofs has been fine in the past, I just put it on 11 and /var/autofs isn't there |
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18:04 | <MrHatter123> | is the systemd way what gnome does ? |
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18:04 | <bremner> | MrHatter123: you can install autofs if you want. |
18:04 | <MrHatter123> | bremner, yes, I have |
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18:04 | <MrHatter123> | I was just wondering if there was a newer way |
18:04 | <MrHatter123> | sometimes we do things for years and years |
18:05 | <MrHatter123> | and someone has invented a better mousetrap |
18:05 | <amacater_> | autofs also pulls in nfs - is that what you want? |
18:06 | <MrHatter123> | no, these are samba boxes that use usb drives to backup to which get swapped out |
18:07 | <amacater_> | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/570958/mount-vs-automount-systemd-units-which-one-to-use-for-what may help |
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18:07 | <amacater_> | I just went to install autofs and it pulls in nfs-common and other utils as well |
18:09 | <MrHatter123> | autofs installed nfs ? |
18:09 | <MrHatter123> | hmmm, I don't think it used to. |
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18:11 | <amacater_> | MrHatter123: If you want to preserve filesystem permissions on DOS/vfat mounted USB sticks - it doesn't work, if I recall correctly. Tar files do |
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18:12 | <MrHatter123> | amacater, that is not important to me, using ext4. |
18:12 | <MrHatter123> | but that is interesting. |
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18:14 | <amacater_> | So - the USB sticks are all formatted as ext4? |
18:15 | <somiaj> | MrHatter123: apt show autofs -- nfs-common is recommended |
18:15 | <blast007> | MrHatter123: just a thought, but how are you *unmounting* the disk so that you can safely remove it? |
18:15 | <somiaj> | amacater_: ^^, so you can remove it just fine, or not install recommends for this package |
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18:16 | <MrHatter123> | blast007, autofs has a timeout when there is no activity, it unmounts automatically |
18:17 | <MrHatter123> | amacater_, the are usb drives, but yes, ext4 |
18:18 | <blast007> | MrHatter123: ah |
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18:45 | <miracolix> | I guess you have to say meal |
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18:49 | <miracolix> | I already looked in the net but found nothing |
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21:32 | <seamus> | Hi. I'm looking for the couchdb Debian package. I've been reading CouchDB's docs and they said that Debian buster had a binary package available, but https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=buster&searchon=names&keywords=couchdb only came up with a python wrapper. How do I install CouchDB on Debian? |
21:33 | <sney> | I don't see it anywhere either |
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21:34 | <sney> | ah, |
21:34 | <sney> | ,bug rm couchdb |
21:34 | <judd> | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/870995 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: couchdb -- RoQA; missed both jessie and stretch»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-08-06; last modified: 2017-10-09. |
21:34 | <seamus> | Thanks |
21:35 | <sney> | maybe the docs are referring to a 3rd party package |
21:36 | <seamus> | I was thinking CouchDB might have a apt repo to add to sources, but they just said that there was a binary package in Debian (and a few other distors), nothing about linux installing. |
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21:37 | <sney> | I guess they haven't verified that statement in a few years |
21:37 | <seamus> | https://docs.couchdb.org/en/stable/install/unix.html |
21:37 | <seamus> | My thoughts too. |
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21:38 | <sney> | er, this page begins with instructions to add a repo |
21:39 | <sney> | '1.1.1.1. Enabling the Apache CouchDB package repository' |
21:40 | <seamus> | Wow, that's embarrassing. I always ignore those coloured sections. Sorry. |
21:41 | <seamus> | sney, I see it now. Thanks. |
21:41 | <sney> | lol, np |
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